Realworld’s basic points:-

· Cannot complain about policies here unless backed with action (step up the plate, he calls it and stand for election);

· Cannot complain about what is right or wrong about one’s country unless one is deprived “basic education, amenities and are living in a 5′ x 8′ cardboard under a bridge?”

· Cannot complain from thousands of miles away when not even here in this country;

· Using words like Bodohland by tsn when discussing amongst ourselves in a blog is a capital sin committed by a Malaysian.

I have been wondering what is the logic here. Let me tell you the logic : it is tell you stop the comments. Let me next ask what could be the underlying purpose behind someone who suggests you that.

The Internet, and blogs in particular pose a challenge to any government. I can understand the need to use operatives like troll and gimp to meet the challenge. But to have ‘an agent provocateur of sorts’ to make semi literate comments, ask unconnected questions, only to incite and provoke, insult and demean and upset? What purpose will this serve? Will there be less comments ? Such activity for which one can easily see there is no purpose only serves to expose one’s identity, that stands out like a sore thumb, and does little to advance the government’s cause. I still think it is important to get someone who could present the government’s side of every issue in an articulate, rational and seemingly balanced way. It does not then matter whether such trolls and gimps are discovered : there is also space for them too in a democratic culture of public discussion and debate. At least people can see another point of view, the government side or the bigger picture, if you will, whether or not one agrees. At least one does not feel alienated and disengage. Engagement is the key. I would therefore evisage a good troll/gimp worth his salt and pay to be able to engage in a positive way the target audience whose anti establishment views need to be moderated if not changed. My last word on this subject is that it cannot be achieved by incompetent vexation, provocation and irrritation of the target audience.

“…//…Opposition currently cannot do anything like what BN can ($$$), nor are they are as inclined to do such a thing…//…” – FireHawk

Yes I agree. But it is noting to do with the Opposition pouring in ($$$)! But here Kit has said that there was nothing “personal” in the request for resignation from BN MP for Tawau, Shim Paw Fatt, as a person.

It has something to do with :

· “the long-standing neglect of Tawau by the Barisan Nasional, whether at the state or federal level”

· how to transform it “from a stagnant economic backwater into a vibrant and dynamic growth centre for the region;” and

· “the best way to achieve this objective is to cause a parliamentary by-election which will turn Tawau into the cynosure of state, national and international attention” and by so doing,

· “end the decline of Tawau into a stagnant economic backwater and spur super-development with hundreds of millions of ringgit allocations that will be poured in by Barisan Nasional as demonstrated by Machap and Ijok by-elections”.

To request for a DAP’s MP resignation will also necessitate a by-election to be called.
It will also turn that particular place into a “cynosure of state, national and international attention”. To wrestle the seat from the opposition the BN will also be pouring in ($$$), maybe more to win a hitherto Opposition stronghold! Whoever wins it will benefit the people there will get the street lamps and roads immediately improved with pledges of $$$ development.

So if the main purpose is asking Shim to resign is to benefit the people in the particular place by the by-election as in Macap and Ijok, how is it different if you ask an Opposition MP to resign for same reasons? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I don’t see the difference. Please enlighten.

By the way RealWorld, if you understand English, I believe Japankiller’s question (“Why do you complain of those people when you,yourself dare not make a move to change for your life, living in other country?”) was addressed to YOU to answer about your situation and NOT ME, though you have, with alacrity, sought to answer the question as if it were directed to me. Do you have problem in understanding what’s being written here or not?

dawsheng : I think RealWorld is better candidate – it is better than me, if you trust his words that he supported his party (though didn’t disclose which one) by being personally there in Ijok – “Helping out the candidate from making sure food and water be delivered to all the party workers to going to the ground explaining policies to the locals” . There you are RealWorld, good for you, you are better man compared to many of us, tell us what you’re going to do next, so gimps and turtles can follow and support or be inspired …. :)

But if UMNO and BN supporter, why say Chinese voters supporting BN as ‘sold out’, a contemptuous expression? Shouldn’t you be happy with them or you’re contemptuous they support the coalition led by your party? What’s your take on this?

“Whether I support UMNO and you DAP doesnt mean we are external enemies, right? We are still Msians,And this blog is open to all , right??? We are here to discuss and discuss , we will”. No argument here. …”though I will never call my country, Bodohland”… good for you (you are certainly not taken to task for taking this stance) but the context used here by many is a mere convenient expression to encompass the policies and their formulators upon which the country is administered which many here have less flattering views of, and should not been taken out of context by you as if it were a capital sin or a reflection of their lack of citizen’s duty or disloyalty.As you said “We are still Msians” discussing here, I think the line will have to be drawn if one is interviewed in some international audience like BBC or CNN or whatever addressing outsiders where it would be improper to disparage our country with such an expression.

Answer your question? I thought I already did in posting April 30th, 2007 at 11:50 am???? You are a better man, not a turtle, self explanatory from what you said – “Helping out the candidate from making sure food and water be delivered to all the party workers to going to the ground explaining policies to the locals”. Shake head. Clap hands. Good for you.

RealWorld Says:

“Now, now steady on please. No need to start throwing all your toys outta your pram now. Calm down.”

You seem to have a very disconnected atention span attributing what one person said to the next. That is why I ask you to read properly : When did dawsheng ramble about sodomy?

It was your own posting April 30th, 2007 at 11:52 am under ealier thread blog “It grieves my entire being but does it bother Pak Lah and Cabinet?” when you posted the following:

“You’re asking me to come back but I thought you wanted me to leave?? You cannot have it both ways, dude. Or you’ll end up facing a sodomy trial!” – undergrad2

When have I said I wanted you to leave?? What have you been smoking or sniffing over there , eh??

Sodomy??? Sorry am not rim jobs and homosexual pleasures as you”.

Dear RealWorld,

To be frank, many like us write in this Blog or other forums to do our part to contribute to the discourse space which has a part to play in our nation’s evolution and devlopment of democarcy. Having said that, the fact that we ‘contribute’ in this blog does not necessarily preclude our contributions to the country we share in our private and professional lives, which how we do it and at what level, it is not necessary or prudent for disclosure just to settle a point. To be a candidate and “helping out the candidate from making sure food and water be delivered to all the party workers to going to the ground explaining policies to the locals” is one way of doing it. There are other ways, maybe even more important ways like for example advisory or strategic planning on various capacities etc. Don’t presume that people who write here in blog do nothing behind the computer. You know nothing of who they are and what they do.