Malaysia should consider not celebrating Merdeka Day and International New Year


by Sagaladoola

I would like to refer to Malaysiakini reports : ( http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75828 ) ” Human Rights march : 5 lawyers arrested ” and ” PM warns public safety is top priority ” ( http://www5.malaysiakini.com/news/75876 ). In the latter report, the PM apparently warned (according to Malaysiakini) “Public safety takes precedence over public freedom”.

I am not sure how our Prime Minister’s brain works but if Abdullah Ahmad Badawi thinks the International Human Rights Day celebration requires a permit and jeopardise the national safety, I would like to remind the police and him to consider banning the up-and-coming Hari Raya Haji, Christmas, Chinese New Year, Deepavali, Hari Raya Aidiladha and most important of all the 51st Merdeka Day in 2008.

Hearing so many calls from his government and himself on the possibility of using the Internal Security Act, I hope our PM is just joking to Malaysians. After all, from my understanding, less than 10 person coming together without a permit is already a gathering and if police has its way, those assembling can be under detention without trial.

International Human Rights Day is not a protest or having any intention to upset national security. It is an annual celebration to commemorate, to remind us, humans, of the freedom we are supposed to have. Similarly, Merdeka or Independence Day falling on 31st August 2008 is to remind Malaysians on the freedom that we have achieved and to commemorate the effort to gain Independence as a human right. If International Human Rights Day is considered to be unsafe, then perhaps, Merdeka Day should not be celebrated as well. There should be no marching. If 200 people walking on the street with some banners, without parang or guns for the 9th December 2007 celebration is considered not safe, it is in my opinion the 31st August celebration which has more number of people marching could be potentially dangerous to national security.

Maybe, Malaysians should reconsider celebrating the up-and-coming International New Year 2008 in places like KLCC or Bukit Bintang. If a small amount of people celebrating International Human Rights Festival 2007 in a less than 15 minutes walk require a permit, a bigger turnout of people watching fireworks will probably require permits especially if these places display big “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year” banners.

It is certainly mind-boggling that the police force had rejected a permit requested by Bar Council to hold the Sunday event. It is mind-boggling that a lawyer can be arrested for stopping some outsider from taking down a banner in the Bar Council compound, of which he is working in. There is nothing seditious with the banners. It is perfectly strange, people having stroll (a basic human right) can be arrested as well. Maybe, the police force should enlighten the public on these matters. Otherwise, it would also be wise for police to reconsider giving any permit for Merdeka Day 2008, which is also a celebration of human rights.

Last but not least, Happy International Human Rights Day to all Malaysians. Good luck and wish you all the best !

Regards,
Sagaladoola

  1. #1 by mwt on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 2:30 am

    “….. on the possibility of using the Internal Security Act, I hope our PM is just joking to Malaysians”
    He is not joking but not serious about the use ISA. If we want reassurance, the former Deputy PM Tun Musa Hitam in the New Sunday Times Interview (9th Dec 07) said: “This is Abdullah’s time, he’s more liberal, more open. People ask him to impose the ISA, he said it could be used but under specific circumstances. It’s so comforting when he says it; as against the old days”
    And on street demos developing into violence, we have been brainwashed & conditioned by the Government to always think that way; his reply – “No, it has always caused violence, it is sure to cause violence.” So the people think demonstrations are violent.
    His ridicule of –“but where is there a budaya (culture) of violence anywhere in the world?”
    His experience as advisor with Maldives Government on demos – “Mr President, why don’t you try this: allow them to demonstrate, but keep the police away. Put them on standby alert. If possible, don’t let them be seen.” He was a little hesitant but I said: “Why don’t you try?”
    He further added:
    “The right to peaceful assembly is enshrined in our democratic institution” The past bad experiences be “used as a basis in handling demonstrations, but it need not be used as excuses not to allow people to express their views”
    Those who have boycotted NST and missed the Interview, details at
    http://powerpresent.blogspot.com/2007/12/musa-hitam-insight-peaceful-demo.html
    & inter alia the Arrest & pics of the 29 outside Parliament house

  2. #2 by menarambo on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 3:25 am

    The police has too much time on hand to do road blocks and arrest ordinary people, but yet has no balls to go patrol the street or catch the rapist, murderer, robber, snatch thief….. what a joke! I guess their next assignment would be to arrest those people at weddings, birthdays, company annual dinners and funerals….! While they are at it….. they can also arrest the funeral possession and confiscate the coffin!!! Since the AG has so much time on hand, he can charge the person in the coffin too…!

    Malaysia really sinking into 9th world country…

  3. #3 by burn on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 5:35 am

    true enough, we have clowns in parliment, minus DAP.
    and now, we have junior clowns in the making in police force.
    we already have clowns for town councilors! what will be next?

  4. #4 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 7:36 am

    It is a dis-analogy to compare this year’s so called Human Rights celebration with other celebrations of “Merdeka or Hari Raya Haji, Christmas, Chinese New Year, Deepavali, Hari Raya Aidiladha” as if the circumstances were on equal footing in intent and question why if the latter were permitted, the former would not be, there being no difference….

    In context, this year’s Human Rights celebration was intended and planned to be a protest march for human rights which were deemed to have been violated.

    It was certainly not intended to celebrate and commemorate human rights that we have been blessed so far but to protest against their suppression by the powers-that-be that we have been cursed so far……

    The march was intended by a small group of lawyers notwithstanding the Bar Council had already dropped its earlier planned annual march in conjunction with the World Human Rights Day due to pressure from the authorities withholding the police permit.

    The march to mark International Human Rights Day planned to start from the Sogo department store to Central Market in Kuala Lumpur was intended to rally all and sundry to the cause of demanding human rights observance by the government and to secure media attention and spotlight for that cause. How could it be argued that it was a mere celebration and not a protest march?

    So let’s call spade a spade – if one wants to fight the cause, be brave to admit it – and not try to duplicituously camouflage the real intention and justify it by some other name based on a false analogy.

  5. #5 by twistedmind on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 8:14 am

    THE RAKYAT (all of us) should organise a peaceful candlelight gathering, in conjunction with a BN celebration like New Years Day (perhaps Closing of VMY2007) at Dataran Merdeka – where PM ABB and his cabinet will be present.

    This of course will put the authorities in a delima – who to allow and who not to allow.

    There is nothing much to celebrate in Malaysia today, except that this country is doomed. So lets get out candles out and start marching, and start praying for a brighter new year. GOD help us.

  6. #6 by k1980 on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 8:18 am

    Mirror, mirror on the wall
    Who is the poorest of ’em all?
    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/National/2108292/Article/index_html

  7. #7 by Sagaladoola on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 8:57 am

    JEFFREY SAID:
    So let’s call spade a spade – if one wants to fight the cause, be brave to admit it – and not try to duplicituously camouflage the real intention and justify it by some other name based on a false analogy.

    COMMENT:
    15 minutes of walk is not enough to demand all and sundry to protest. Please be sensible.

    And Jeffrey, please do research before you come to that poor conclusion…..

    Read this in Malaysiakini…
    ____________________________________

    Title: Bar’s Dec 9 Event not a protest march by Yoges Palaniappan
    Link 1: http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75549
    Link 2: http://politics101malaysia.blogsome.com/2007/12/01/bars-dec-9-event-not-a-protest-march/

    Excerpt:
    Bar Council chairperson Ambiga Sreenivasagam has explained that the march on Dec 9 is not an anti-government rally but the bar’s annual event in marking the International Human Rights Day.

    “The whole event is a celebration. It is the celebration of the International Humans Rights Day which falls on Dec 10,” she said.
    ____________________________________

    Conclusion:
    1) Not every march is equivalent to protest.
    2) Not every event where people holding banners walking in a big group is a protest.
    3) Not every event where people are stating some point is equivalent to protest.
    4) The Bar Council marches every year for Human Rights. There is a letter from a reader in Malaysiakini that stated that. They are even singing songs while marching. How can you conclude they are protesting?

    Letter: I walked with Bar Council for two years by Vizla Kumaresan
    Link: http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/75925

    JEFFREY, if that is what you said what makes you different from some minister who jumped to the conclusion people are protesting straight away before evaluating the situation?

    Regards,
    http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com

  8. #8 by Bigjoe on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 10:56 am

    Turning this New Year Celebration into a day of mourning rather than celebration while it has merit has some down side. Firstly, there is not much time to organize. Slightly more than two weeks. If the result is that a bigger crowd take advantage of the freebies shows etc. the purpose is defeated.

    However, if a significant group can be gather. We are talking at least 20,000-40,000 people for a candlelight vigil of some sort. Then I think it will resonate well enough. Interesting things may happen across the city where people may be asked to a give a moment of silence/prayer for those arrested.

    If that can happen, then yes. Its definitely worth trying…

  9. #9 by Mr Human Rights. on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 11:17 am

    Whether a celebration is legal or not legal is all decided by the government , for example the Bersih and Hindraf rally where they have already tried to apply a permit and if the police do not issue one , then they call it illegal rally or perhimpunan haram.
    If you asked me , the thing that is causing the traffic standstill during those rally days are actually caused by the police road blocks which they have it in the whole of Malaysia. Which I feel is totally a waste of tax payers money and citizens petrol money and all loses incurred.
    If the government is sincere about any violence or weapons being brought to the rally scene , they should set-up road block at the city centre and not the whole nation.
    Whole nation road block should be done when a child or someone is being kidnap or when a car is being stolen or when there is a robbery.
    I am also sure that any rally held by Barisan will have permit issued automatically since the police is the government.

  10. #10 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 11:22 am

    “I am not sure how our Prime Minister’s brain works but if Abdullah Ahmad Badawi thinks the International Human Rights Day celebration requires a permit and jeopardise the national safety, I would like to remind the police and him to consider banning the up-and-coming Hari Raya Haji, Christmas, Chinese New Year, Deepavali, Hari Raya Aidiladha and most important of all the 51st Merdeka Day in 2008.”

    Please read carefully Clause 4) of Article 10 of our Constitution which gives power to the executive to decide what constitutes a “threat to national security”. It is at the discretion of the executive. If arresting MPs at the door of Parliament House is necessitated by security reasons so they say so it is.

  11. #11 by Sagaladoola on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 1:58 pm

    JEFFREY SAID:
    So let’s call spade a spade – if one wants to fight the cause, be brave to admit it – and not try to duplicituously camouflage the real intention and justify it by some other name based on a false analogy.

    COMMENT:
    15 minutes of walk is not enough to demand all and sundry to protest. Please be sensible.

    And Jeffrey, please do research before you come to that poor conclusion…..

    Read this in Malaysiakini…
    ____________________________________

    Title: Bar’s Dec 9 Event not a protest march by Yoges Palaniappan
    Link 1: http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/75549
    Link 2: http://politics101malaysia.blogsome.com/2007/12/01/bars-dec-9-event-not-a-protest-march/

    Excerpt:
    Bar Council chairperson Ambiga Sreenivasagam has explained that the march on Dec 9 is not an anti-government rally but the bar’s annual event in marking the International Human Rights Day.

    “The whole event is a celebration. It is the celebration of the International Humans Rights Day which falls on Dec 10,” she said.
    ____________________________________

    Conclusion:
    1) Not every march is equivalent to protest.
    2) Not every event where people holding banners walking in a big group is a protest.
    3) Not every event where people are stating some point is equivalent to protest.
    4) The Bar Council marches every year for Human Rights. There is a letter from a reader in Malaysiakini that stated that. They are even singing songs while marching. How can you conclude they are protesting?

    Letter: I walked with Bar Council for two years by Vizla Kumaresan
    Link: http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/75925

    JEFFREY, if that is what you said what makes you different from some minister who jumped to the conclusion people are protesting straight away before evaluating the situation?

  12. #12 by ktteokt on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 7:33 pm

    Everything UMNO does is legal, anything others do is simply illegal and should be banned!!!

  13. #13 by cheng on soo on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 10:51 pm

    Somewhere in the world, hard working ruling parties that have good experience n good capability is solely responsible n decide what is legal or not legal.
    Good experience, capabilities derived from more than 45 years of hard works for their rule.
    FAIR, i.e, their citizen appreciate their hard works, capabilities n good experience n accord those ruling parties such responsibility.
    FREE, ruling parties do not charge extra for this responsibility.
    TRANSPARENT, all ballot boxes will be transparent.

  14. #14 by Jeffrey on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 5:52 am

    Where writer Sagaladoola is coming from is that not every march with people holding banners tantamount to a protest – it could be just celebrating and commemorating a joyous occasion to mark Human Rights Day, and in the case of the lawyers arrested on Dec 10 this year it was wrong of authorities to view their brief walk as protest especially in light of the fact the Bar Council had organized such marches, successful ones at that on past anniversaries in 2005 and 2006.
    Sagaladoola is right only if one looks at such a march – as just a march just like that organized by Bar Council in 2005 and 2006 without regard to the circumstances immediately preceding and then existing on Dec 10 this year, and whether in that context and circumstances might be construed whether by the authorities or the public as a street protest against the government’s human rights violation. In my opinion, one has to construe an event in the context of its prevailing circumstances and it is a tortuous argument to ignore such context and circumstances when debating this issue.

  15. #15 by Jeffrey on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 6:02 am

    Now on the different circumstances in past years:
    In 2005 & 2006 no one really thought about applying for a police permit, certainly not the Bar Council and I doubt the police expected an application, and even if such an application had been made, it would be given. In 2005 even Mahathir used the occasion in a dinner hosted by Suhakam to launch his tirade against American imperialism in Iraq. In 2006 even Amnesty International Malaysia joined the Bar Council’s march for human rights from Dataran Merdeka to Parliament and then to Panggung Anniversari at Lake Gardens with volunteers from other groups including HAKAM and women groups like WCC and JAG.

  16. #16 by Jeffrey on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 6:41 am

    Now on the different circumstances this year Dec 10:

    Everyone was edgy. Just preceding Dec 10, there were three marches, ie the Bar’s Walk for Justice in protest of the Lingam video clip revelations, the Bersih March demanding electoral reforms and the Hindraf’s protest demonstration amid hues and cries of ethnic cleaning and Tamil LTTE in Sri Lanka – all without permits, and each occasion condemned by the government which condemnation is also on each occasion equally deplored by human rights activists and concerned citizens as government’s clamp down on human rights esp. the right to assembly, which as events unfold led to the ISA detention of Hindraf’s organizers (lawyers) yesterday.

    How could anyone suggest that there was anything to celebrate or commemorate on this year Human Rights Day? Whichever way one wants to slice it to justify the march, it would be perceived as protest! Look at the Malaysiakini’s report that Sagaladoola himself cited – what did they say? Was it against torture in Guantanamo detention camp or Abu Ghraib? No, the report stated “The marchers had carried banners that read “Lawyers for the freedom of assembly” and “Government that abuses human rights is terrorist.” We were, on Dec 10, at the jaws of a massive clamp down – and that Jaw just clamped down with invocation of ISA yesterday!

    If circumstances in Dec 10 this year were the same last 2 years relating to Bar Council’s customary marches, why did the Bar Council agonized over the decision, pondered over whether it should apply for police permit when it never did such pondering before, and decide to officially call of the march leaving Edmond Bon (organizing person in Bar committee on human rights) and few others to carry on the token march in their individual capacities?
    The official position of Bar Council in calling off the march expressed by its chairperson Ambiga Sreenevasanis that “the council’s decision was made after anxious consideration to the present circumstances that surround the event, particularly the interests of the public and the Malaysian Bar”.

    What present circumstances was she talking about except a foreboding and the tense one prevailing between sections of rakyat and the authorities over freedom of assembly and human rights?

    Sagaladoola is not right to argue that the march should not be construed as protest just because, theoretically, protest was not intended in minds of the lawyers marching and arrested. These Lawyers should know what Lord Blackstone said – that the Devil himself knoweth not what’s in the mind of man – so everything has to be judged on basis of what is reasonably perceived in the context and light of existing prevailing circumstances.

    To say that this march was not protest – meaning ought not in light of prevailing circumstances to be perceived as protest – that it was marking Human Rights Day and celebrating it just like “Hari Raya Haji, Christmas, Chinese New Year, Deepavali, Hari Raya Aidiladha” is baloney.

    What do the banners “Lawyers for the freedom of assembly” and “Government that abuses human rights is terrorist” suggest? Why did Bar Council agonize over decision and call off the March ?

    So Mr Sagaladoola – is it I who does not do research and jump to conclusion as you alleged or you, whose position to fight for human rights, I too share, who is actually indulging in a tortuous argument to advance a Common Cause that is not helpful at all?

  17. #17 by ktteokt on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 12:49 pm

    Before long, we have to apply for police permits even for family gatherings on CNY eve!!!!!

  18. #18 by ktteokt on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 12:51 pm

    Forgot to mention that includes wedding receptions, funerals, birthday parties, gotong royongs, kampung folk gatherings, and many more!!!!

  19. #19 by Sagaladoola on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 3:09 pm

    JEFFREY SAYS:
    In 2005 & 2006 no one really thought about applying for a police permit, certainly not the Bar Council and I doubt the police expected an application, and even if such an application had been made, it would be given.

    COMMENT:
    That is only your assumption that the police would give them permit.

    JEFFREY SAYS:
    In 2006 even Amnesty International Malaysia joined the Bar Council’s march for human rights from Dataran Merdeka to Parliament and then to Panggung Anniversari at Lake Gardens with volunteers from other groups including HAKAM and women groups like WCC and JAG.

    COMMENT:
    Well, again it does not mean they are protesting. The most important point is, the Bar Council had stated that the year 2007 Human Rights March is not a protest just like any other year. Refer to my links above.

    JEFFREY SAYS:
    Everyone was edgy. Just preceding Dec 10, there were three marches, ie the Bar’s Walk for Justice in protest of the Lingam video clip revelations, the Bersih March demanding electoral reforms and the Hindraf’s protest demonstration amid hues and cries of ethnic cleaning and Tamil LTTE in Sri Lanka – all without permits, and each occasion condemned by the government which condemnation is also on each occasion equally deplored by human rights activists and concerned citizens

    COMMENT:
    Walk of Justice is Walk of Justice. Bersih March is Bersih March. Hindraf protest is Hindraf protest. Human Rights Day is Human Rights Day walk.

    All of them are with different themes/concepts. Please do not group everything as one. For example, Hindraf cause is not Bersih cause.

    I do not take it or accept that Bar Council leader, Ambiga is lying when she said “Human Rights March is not a protest”. It has been mentioned that the march is annual. Furthermore, having banners during a march cannot be concluded as a protest. Almost all celebrations (religious, racial notwithstanding) and commemorations have banners.

    I trust her.

    JEFFREY SAYS:
    No, the report stated “The marchers had carried banners that read “Lawyers for the freedom of assembly” and “Government that abuses human rights is terrorist.”

    COMMENT:
    The banner did not say “Our Government is abusing human rights and therefore our government is terrorist”.

    It is a general term that could mean Pakistan, Myanmar etcetera.

    Regards,
    Sagaladoola

  20. #20 by Sagaladoola on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 3:26 pm

    JEFFREY SAYS:
    So Mr Sagaladoola – is it I who does not do research and jump to conclusion as you alleged or you, whose position to fight for human rights, I too share, who is actually indulging in a tortuous argument to advance a Common Cause that is not helpful at all?

    COMMENT:
    Tell that to Bar Council leader Ambiga, she said it is not a protest and I still believe her. Advancing or Highlighting a Common Cause year after year does not mean it must be a protest.

    Now, let’s do the research on the word “protest”

    Link: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/protest

    to protest : to make a strong objection

    Take the words of the banner that you have given earlier as example. I have clarified it previously.

    The banners that you have stated does not have objection wordings directed specifically to our government or any party in Malaysia.

    Instead it is highlighting of what constitutes as “human rights” and violations and that is also a way to advance a common cause like you said. Bear in mind, it did not say “our government” had violated human rights. Had it been that way, then only it is an objection to our government.

    Regards,
    http://sagaladoola.blogspot.com

  21. #21 by Jeffrey on Friday, 14 December 2007 - 5:33 pm

    Hi Sagaladoola,

    Just for the record, I make no aspersions about Ambiga Sreenevasanis’s integrity. I don’t impute she’s a liar in any way.

    As chairperson of Bar Council representing the Malaysian Bar that upholds human rights she has to articulate the position (which you agree) that the Dec 10 March was to commemorate Human Rights Day and nothing more. I don’t regard that as lying.

    It however does not mean she did not appreciate reality, which is very much a function of perception whether by the authorities or the public watching or joining the march.

    To sharpen clarity of what I am saying, take as illustration the point you raised, questioning my so-called “assumption that the police would give them permit” if applied for in the 2005 or 2006 marches organized by Bar Council.

    Now assuming that you are right and I am wrong in that if the Bar Council had applied for permit in 2005 and 2006, they would not have obtained it.

    Yet you will see the difference here – that in spite of that knowledge of not being able to obtain permit, the Bar Council had, with alacrity, in 2005 and 2006 proceeded with the marches without any misgiving of untoward events and even a thought that not having a permit would pose a problem.

    Now the Dec 10 2007 situation was so radically different from 2005 and 2006 that the Bar Council agonized over the deliberations of whether to proceed with the march, as it did, in previous years without a permit, and finally decided to call off the march. The exact words issued by Ambiga on behalf of the Council were “the council’s decision was made after anxious consideration to the present circumstances that surround the event, particularly the interests of the public and the Malaysian Bar” –the key words being “ the present circumstances that surround the event”.

    The present circumstances were very different from those in 2005/6, the main difference being in light of altercation of earlier marches, the present march was very perceived as a street march in protest against the government. Although the themes of the marches were different, they are perceived as sharing the common denominator that they are all street protests of grievances of sorts against the administration – something that powers-that-be have fixation is not our culture etc and determined to suppress.

    It points to the fact that it is perception that ultimately counts – by that I mean perception by government or even public that the Human Rights March was somewhat different from previous years, given that rakyat now, in light of recent events and treatment esp of Hindraf’s protesters, actually have grouse to protest against the government.

    The fact that Ambiga called off the march (since the Council would not be able to obtain the permit) as compared to proceeding with the march in 2005/2006 (even if permit would not have been issued then as you pointed out ) suggests that the Council recognised the different conditions operating today that would be reasonably perceived and construed as protest against the government. Otherwise the Council would not have called off the march since there was nothing wrong with it, just another commemoration of Human Rights Day.

    In summary, in light of what has been widely considered high handed actions on authorities’ part in the Bersih & Hindraf’s marches I have no beef against the Bar Council’s deciding to march and protest against the authorities’ actions, especially using Human Rights Day for that expression. This is what I think Edmond Bon and other “walkers” wanted to do. My beef is that the Council was not opened about it. Say you wanted to protest, and if you dared defy law enforcement, do it. You would remember the Bar Council was very open and to the point when 2000 lawyers marched, the first time around to the Palace of Justice. But to say that on Dec 10 they were just intending to march for celebration of Human Rights Day as women groups like WCC and JAG would state the same for (say) Women Rights Day, pisses me because it is, at least to me, not transparent and reflective of the true situation as in earlier case of the walk to Palace of Justice. I expect lawyers who know the law and its limits and the risks of breaking it for higher moral purposes to not engage in sophistry of words and excuses to cover what needs to be done as a moral imperative.

  22. #22 by limkamput on Saturday, 15 December 2007 - 3:26 am

    ALL INDIAN MALAYSIANS TAKE NOTE: THIS IS WHAT Diaperhead SAID ABOUT YOU ALL “The Indians have always been opportunistic”.

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