Obama’s historic win – can a Chinese, Indian, Kadazan or Iban become Prime Minister?

This is the question I posed in Parliament at the beginning of the 16-day committee stage debate of the “wayang kulit” 2009 Budget debate in Parliament today.

I started by congratulating Barack Obama for his historic win as United States President as it was unthinkable even until very recently for anyone to believe that it is possible for a black, who were slaves until some 150 years ago, to be able to become President of US.

I said Parliament should also send its congratulations to Obama.

However, Obama’s historic breakthrough make many Malaysians ask whether it is possible for a Chinese, Indian, Kadazan to become the Prime Minister of Malaysia although the Constitution is very clear that any Malaysian citizen, regardless of race or religion can become Prime Minister.

If such a question is asked 50 years ago, the nation’s founders like Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tun Razak, Tun Dr. Ismail, Tun Hussein Onn, Tun Tan Cheng Lock, Tun Tan Siew Sin and Tun V.T. Sambanthan would unhesitatingly answered in the positive as there is no constitutional bar – separate from the question of whether it was likely to happen.

But if the same question is asked now, there will be strong voices (as heard in Parliament today when this question was posed) who would rise up to say no.

Who is going against the Merdeka Constitution and the social contract reached by the forefathers of the major communities to achieve national independence half a century ago?

Why is Malaysian race relations and nation-building going backwards in the past 50 years as compared to the historic breakthrough in race relations in the United States with Obama’s historic victory in the US presidential elections?

  1. #1 by homeblogger on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 7:35 pm

    hahahahahaha… that’s a joke question right Uncle Kit?

    Just like the uITM issue – scared to allow 10% non-malay because they’re scared shit that the top 10% students will then be exactly the 10% non-malays.

    Najib and Hishamuddin will have their keris out and ready if that ever seems remotely possible.

  2. #2 by vchi on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 7:38 pm

    I was teary during Obama’s speech and when he was declared the victor because his win gave me hope that such a change can occur in Malaysia too.


  3. #3 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 7:58 pm

    Will Singapore ready to have PM from the minority races?

  4. #4 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 7:59 pm

    This is Kasim Amat’s worst nightmare. He told me the other day that UMNO wants to play the racial card so that the fear instilled into the Malays would ensure UMNO’s survival. Now, with Obama in the White House inspiring democratic movements everywhere, UMNO is at a loss at what to do next.

    Deng Xiao Ping, Nelson Mendela, and now Barack Obama – we can believe that the day will come when we can see a non-Malay as the PM of Bolehland.

    “Change We Can Believe In” should be the motto of democratic movements everywhere.

  5. #5 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:01 pm

    And cintanegara’s worst nightmare as well. Keep harping on the impossible, and we will show you what’s possible.

  6. #6 by disapointed86 on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:02 pm

    the point that obama delivered in his victory speech should also be delivered by opposition here….unite…so proud of AMERICA…that is the different between a civilised country and uncivilised country like malaysia..looking forward for the time to come..

  7. #7 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:02 pm

    Meritocracy is not in UMNO’s dictionary, so there is only one path left for us – relegate UMNO to the Opposition benches.

  8. #8 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:03 pm

    My question is valid. If it is impossible in Singapore, than do you think it is possible in Malaysia?

  9. #9 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:06 pm

    Not possible.. ..under UMNO.
    cintangara is being…not realistic..comparing S’pore minorities with M’sia.
    Here…the so call..minorities.. combined together are to be reckoned with…as the Chinese ad Indians in Malaysia are the driving forces for developments of Malaysia.

  10. #10 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:15 pm

    That’s the point. When it benefits your community you will straight away say not possible. Than, why posted this topic?

  11. #11 by katdog on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:16 pm

    Black or White it doesn’t matter. Barack Obama did not win because he was black. He won because he was able to inspire people with his words. He won because he showed maturity and calm resolve in his words. He won because people believed in him.

    The people of Malaysia (especially the politicians) should learn something from this. We should stop using the color of our skins to ‘get’ votes. A true leader should have to be able to bridge the racial divide.

  12. #12 by ktteokt on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:16 pm

    It will be very, very long time before these self-proclaimed TUANs are ready to accept what the Americans accepted. These people became TUANs by “pushing” the others down. But, if it were not MCA and Gerakan admitted inferiority, how the hell can these hopeless idiots become SUPERIOR TUANs?

  13. #13 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:17 pm

    Would Russia have a black president ? Would S Africa have a white president ?

    Yes, Obama has shown the world that anything is possible. With a combination of bad governance, racial politics, dictatorial policies, and suppression of freedom, Bolehland can have a non-Malay PM. Especially when UMNO gets relegated to the Opposition benches.

  14. #14 by Dr_Albert_Schweitzer on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:19 pm

    Singapore had as head of state or President peoples who hailed from minority races, including a Malay, a Eurasian & two Indians. As it is a meritocratic society it once had S. Rajaratnam as its Deputy Prime Minister.
    But in Bodohland the UMNO Putras cotinue to harp on Malays being the only race “entitled” to hold the Prime Ministership & Deputy Prime Ministership.
    So therefore it is NOW the Time for Change. Kick UMNO out of Parliament. Nothing is impossible to God Al-Mighty. Pray daily for his Favour, Grace, Mercy & Divine Justice & Intervention.

  15. #15 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:20 pm

    Can you imagine the new leader of UMNO being called by all sorts of names such as C4, Mongolian, etc etc ? I hope UMNO will continue to marginalise the other races, and marginalise the poor with their UMNOputra policies. We will show them what’s possible.

  16. #16 by limkamput on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:24 pm

    Sdr Lim, I think your observation is meaningless and it only serves to further ignite negative reaction among the Malays. The fact that March 8 election has given DAP and other Pakatan Rakyat parties victory beyond expectation is a proof that the people of this country are prepared to change when the government can’t govern effectively and professionally. There is no need to talk about non Malay PM. What is needed is to continue to work diligently for the betterment of Malaysians and I am sure someday the people of this country will become more colour blind. No one can stand against the tide of globalisation and freedom.

    PR and DAP have been given some leadership opportunities. Please set good examples and concentrate in doing things that will make a difference to people’s life. I believe the people of this country will be attracted to substance rather than rhetoric. Let me give you an example: The Penang’s state government recent attempt to label street names in Chinese and other languages is an example of indulging in senseless politicking. It will not change people’s life other than causing lots ill will among the people. To me orderly traffic lights, good roads and cleanliness will make a difference to people’s life, not street names in Chinese. I suspect when a government is incapable of doing something substantive, what it does is to go on indulging in nonsensical politicking.

  17. #17 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:26 pm

    Carry on stealing, UMNO, and even the Malays will wake up one day and see the light. That’s when it will be enough for a non-Malay to be elected to the highest position in the land.

    After all, the ruler of Bolehland for 22 years was of Indian origin. The ruler of Bolehland for the past 5 years was of Chinese origin.

  18. #18 by Godfather on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:34 pm

    Limkamput: You should stop the cynicism. Can’t you hear the words ‘Yes, we can\ ringing in your ears ?

  19. #19 by cazz on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:35 pm

    Mamak can be PM of Malaysia.
    Mamak had been PM of Malaysia.

    Mahathir has proven it.

  20. #20 by katdog on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:37 pm

    “The Penang’s state government recent attempt to label street names in Chinese and other languages is an example of indulging in senseless politicking.”

    Ha ha. My thoughts exactly. It is a stupid waste of money to put up signs in other languages, when the roads are in horrendous shape and getting worse by the day. A recent article remarked Penang as pot hole city.

    A reminder to people here: Who cares whether it is a Chinese or a Malay or an Indian. Just make sure it is someone who can get the job done.

  21. #21 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:47 pm

    The first president of Singapore was Malay and he was the only Malay to have hold that position. Even in Singapore cabinet now, there is one Malay holds a full mininster portfolio. Though he is a PHD holder, he only serves a ministry related to his community. despite the government, minority races never hold any ‘senior’ position in the Military etc.

    I don’t blame Singapore government for practising this as Chinese is the majority. Being the majority in Malaysia, ts it fair for Malays to let go the top position to other races? Pls think rasionaly….

  22. #22 by riversandlakes on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:50 pm

    Obama! Obama! Obama!

  23. #23 by Loh on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 8:53 pm

    An Indian pretended to be Malay had been PM for 22 years. An Indian calling himself Indian and a Chinese will not be PM. But there is no restriction in the constitution that non-Malay cannot be PM. That too is true about other position but PKNS was not allowed to appoint non-Malay General Manager without protest.

    Under a different thread it was stated that MU has fallen out of top 200 ranking of universities in the world.

    Two Chinese professors, R L Huang and Wong Gangwu were Professors of Chemistry and History respectively at MU in the 1960s, and they consecutively became Vice Chancellors of Hong Kong University until their retirement. HKU no doubt ranks higher than MU. But over the last four decades, there has never been a Chinese or an Indian Vice Chancellor in the universities in Malaysia. How much would the wealth of the Malay community be depleted if the salaries and wages paid to Malay vice chancellors had been diverted to appoint non-Malays as Vice Chancellors? Would Malays academic world feel inferior if some of the universities are helmed by non-Malays? They are insignificant even if taken into account. Why then should the government insist in only appointing Malays, and demonstrate that it intentionally went against the ideal of NEP?
    That is the concept of Malay supremacy which Zaid Ibrahim has said to have failed the country. Yet UMNO supreme council members think it proper to demand apologies from Zaid Ibrahim. They might wave the book on May 13 had the comments been from non-Malay politicians.

  24. #24 by James on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:00 pm

    Hear ye! Hear ye!

    That is precisely the causes why Bolehland will keep on retrogressing year in & year out. Unis kicked out of the top 100 list; transparency index falling year by year; corruption standing rising relentlessly when we will be comparable to Indonesia very soon; FDI funds shrinking by the year esp in non-PR states & many, many more (some yet to appear). BN terrorists esp Umno ones are doing their utmost to block progress & deny others from enjoying it. USA, whatever you may say, is still an advanced first world nation, perios.

  25. #25 by Kasim Amat on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:00 pm

    I knew long before Lim Kit Siang will sure ask such a question if Obama wins the election. My guess is right.

    All I want to say is: Stop making sensitive racial remarks or else I will take action to cause this blog to be closed!

    There is no question that PM in this country should only go to Malay under the laws in Malaysia. Please ask yourself this question: Will Singapore have a Malay PM? The answer is obvious! Lim Kit Siang, please do not ask stupid question here anymore. By asking such question, you have provoked a very sensitive issue in Malaysia which can lead to chaos. It is sufficient for you to be detained under ISA immediately!

    I urge Mr Lim to remove this posting immediately.

  26. #26 by limkamput on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:04 pm

    Godfather Says:
    Today at 20: 34.50 (20 minutes ago)
    Limkamput: You should stop the cynicism. Can’t you hear the words ‘Yes, we can\ ringing in your ears ?

    Hello did i say we can’t? Sometimes it is better to get things done than to say all the senseless things. I am sure you can see the senseless reactions now appearing in this thread. If this is what DAP and Sdr Lim want, so be it. But like you, i am entitled to give comments here. Is there a problem with you?

  27. #27 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:06 pm

    The “White House” is now a “Black House”
    I have a strange feeling….cars with different shades of black colours will sell well in USA.
    And “Darkie” toothpaste….soon….a house hold name in USA.
    Some idiots ..similar to Kasim Amat’s brain…may paint house black…to idolized their hero.
    Such will be the joy…overjoyed…over done….simply too happy and gone crazy.
    When there is a Malaysia Chinese or Indian PM..in Malaysia…..I bet you….there will be thousands of bald headed guys…walking around.

  28. #28 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:07 pm

    If you consider the reaction when the Chinese lady was appointed the GM of the PKNS, it seems that most Malays will also not support a non-Malay PM.
    However if UMNO is removed from the federal government and another group is allowed to govern, we may see a change of attitude and maybe in another 25 years we can re-visit this issue.
    After all some Malaysians have roots in Malaysia dating back hundreds of years.


  29. #29 by jus legitimum on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:08 pm

    Godfather,you are right.There are idiots in this blog who have become incorrigible racists and they and those in the big bully party belong to the same hypocritical stock.As long as these racists refuse to open their mind and look upon Obama as their guide,this country will go to the dogs soon.

  30. #30 by limkamput on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:09 pm

    The first Black President of USA. My question is so what? Has he proven anything? So far the only thing proven is his gift of the gap. Like many others say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We shall see.

  31. #31 by Kasim Amat on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:10 pm

    This question should not be discussed openly on internet, newspaper or TV. Malay is the rightful owner of this land there is no doubt about it. If the non-Malay want to challenge the supremacy status of the Malay, look at what happened in Indonesia few years back. Everyone should respect the history of Malaysia and please do not try to cross the line.

    The American will regret their decision. The White is still the majority in the America and only the white people is suitable to be the President. There is bound to be problems for days to come and it could mean a disaster for the American. We do not agree with the decision of the American.

  32. #32 by jus legitimum on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:15 pm

    Obama really serves as a big nail that hits on the heads of the shameless and thick skinned racists like the old big mouth mamak and his gang in his ex Malaysia Bully Party.

  33. #33 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:15 pm

    wawawa…Kasim Amat..is threatening LKS.
    This guy is a real NUT!!
    Next…he will tell those who do not like what he wrote….to leave Malaysia.
    I have news for Kasim Amat.
    Don’t talk cock….do it. If you cannot close this blog or put LKS into ISA…..go hide under your mother’s sarong.
    There WILL be an Indian or Chinese PM…when guys like you..are thrown to the Tong Sampah…..very soon. He is a useless racialist…..fool.

  34. #34 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:22 pm

    Don’t dream of it!!!Even your allies, PAS and PKR would not agree to have PM other than Malay. Pls ask them if you don’t believe……DAP has shown its true colour. Everybody knows what they are up to. Next GE, for sure Malay voters will kick them out….

  35. #35 by jus legitimum on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:24 pm

    Someone is damn thick skinned to say he disagreed with the decision of the Americans.Go and hide under the coconut shell and shiok sendiri until you fall and become the Backward Four of Asean.

  36. #36 by Tonberry on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:28 pm

    cintanegara Says:
    I don’t blame Singapore government for practising this as Chinese is the majority. Being the majority in Malaysia, ts it fair for Malays to let go the top position to other races? Pls think rasionaly….

    Even if you do not have the intention of letting go your so-called rights, but pls la, dont deny the rights of others! Why you still treating your Chinese, Indian comrades as 2nd class here?? All are equal at the eyes of Singapore. Why Bolehland must discriminate against its own citizens?

  37. #37 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:30 pm

    hahahahaha….Kasim Amat…wants to provoke and provoke..like one….few months ago.
    He wish to totally ignore the Constitutions…declaring all of us as equal citizens..but begged us to understand….his grandfather need help..needs easy money…so we agreed..making Tunku so happy.
    He totally forgot…our country belong to Britain and Japan….just some 70 years ago…and who fought to free it.
    This young ….is a sad case of one…still in dreamland….study history books…that are out dated……can easily been brainwashed by UMNO…and I am sure…he will agree….UMNO will rule forever.
    Not even UMNO dare to tell us…Malaysia belong to Malays…which means …we are guest….over and over again???
    No no no..he is trying to provoke…brag…making a real clown of himself. One gone….here comes the replacement.

  38. #38 by PSM on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:39 pm

    You really need to “congratulate” UMNO. After 51 years of Independence they have molded people like Cintanegara & Kasim Amat!
    Even though UMNO has proven themselves to be not only Corrupted but Racists, these “mindless” dopes still support UMNO!
    Look at a lot of the UMNO leaders, their parents (e.g. Khir Toyo) came from either Indonesia or India (e.g. Mahatir) just one or two Generations ago & yet some of us Non-Malays have been here in Malaysia for generations & yet we are still called “pendatang”?!
    However, these “mindless” idiots fail to understand that Evil Regimes eventually fall (look at the Nazis, look at the White South African Apartheid Regime…so too will the Racist UMNO Regime!).
    To those who don’t believe this can happen, well, just look at what happened in the last GE, who would have thought the Opposition would deny the BN their 2/3rds Majority?
    Rev. Martin Luther King had a dream. Today, after Obama’s win, the CNN interviewed King’s daughter. King did not see his dream come true, but his daughter did!

  39. #39 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:41 pm

    It is useless to discuss sense and sensibility with…..cintanegara….who uses an island with one vast majority race of a small population..to compare with Malaysia’s problems.
    I have heard such comparison before…and it is not valid.

  40. #40 by imranj78 on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 9:51 pm

    I suggest you ask your partners in PR i.e. PKR and PAS whether they will accept a non-Malay PM. Following that please ensure that they have the balls to ensure that the public know their answer.

    I suggest you clarify your own backyard first before shooting at BN or UMNO! I dare you right here right now – please pose this question to your PR partners!

    I am not saying that there will never be a PM Malay… there will eventually be one. USA took more then 150 years to get where they are today. Do you think we are at the same position with the USA in race relations after 50 odd years or independance? Which political party in power will not make a difference. At the end of the day, the fact is a majority of the people will not accept a non Malay PM at this current time.

  41. #41 by negarawan on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:00 pm

    The US electorates are mature politically and the majority of the electorates reject race based politics. The Republicans and Democrats have political ideals not based along communal or racial lines. In Malaysia we have an neo-nazi and apartheid UMNO party wanting to project the supremacy of the Malay race over other minority races. They continue to mislead and poison the minds of the Malays with the concept of ketuanan melayu. The only way to save Malaysia is to annihilate UMNO and bring back a racially and religiously harmonious Malaysia. Change we need!

  42. #42 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:00 pm

    cintanegara should change his nick to “cintabangsa”..more sincere..straight to the point….and suits him .to the letter.
    This Malay….thinks all Malays are like him.
    Well 13th election is a long way off.
    Look at the signs of UMNO…quickly get Dollah resign….confirm Najib UMNO president….and immediately…so many goodies..so many good news for Malaysians to be happy about.
    You think…this is done for Malaysians or desperate to win votes?
    Educated young Malaysians…2 million of them….new voters.
    You think they will listen to cintanegara and Kasim Amat…or read and make up…their own minds?
    I quote..Tengku Ahmad Rithauddeen…remark….”UMNO is corrupted..to the core”
    hi Kasim/cintanegara……have you no shame?
    Alamak!!! Mahathir’s onion face..students???

  43. #43 by shortie kiasu on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:02 pm

    ‘However, Obama’s historic breakthrough make many Malaysians ask whether it is possible for a Chinese, Indian, Kadazan to become the Prime Minister of Malaysia although the Constitution is very clear that any Malaysian citizen, regardless of race or religion can become Prime Minister.’

    We need great people like Martin Luther King to champion the cause of justice & equality to all, democracy in its real sense, if we were to emulate the achievement by the greatest nation of the world, USA on this day 4th of November 2008.

    Another 100 years, may be to make up the 150 years as in the case of USA, the greatest nation of the world.

  44. #44 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:05 pm

    Monsterball, U say it is useless to discuss when you have no point to argue. Pls tell why we cannot compare with Singapore? LKS claim that they are ‘first class’ society and always look up at them. If their government are transparent why not considering of appointing Malay minister to hold DPM post or other ‘senior’ post. Though you claim UMNO for being ‘unfair’ to other races, they still appoint Chinese/Indian to be transport, Health, etc ministers.

  45. #45 by jus legitimum on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:07 pm

    We do not insist on the PM must be from a particular race.I do not think LKS wanted that.What he meant was there should not be racial bias in any appointment.Be it a low acting GM of PKNS or the PM.But alas,such a low appointment on Mdm Low already caused a tremor,and just to mention the possiblity of making a very capable non Malay to be the PM might bring about an earthquake to that community.Pathetic,isn,t it?

  46. #46 by cinaindiamelayubersatu on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:14 pm

    a. manaaa bolehhhh !!!! akan aku hunus keris aku dan tusuk kepada sesiapa yang cuba. ini bolehland aku. aku yang punya. ingat barang siapa yang berani….

  47. #47 by Dr_Albert_Schweitzer on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:15 pm

    University of Malaya once-upon-a-time had leading academicians confined not just to Professor Rayson R L Huang & Professor Wang Gung-wu. We had world renown mathematician Professor Oppenheim as the first Vice Chancellor and brilliant minds such as Professor Chin Fung Kee, Dean of Engineering Faculty, Professor T J Danaraj ,Dean of Medical Faculty, Professor Thong Saw Pak, Dean of Science Faculty & Professor Lim Chong Yah Head of Economics Dept. Faculty of Arts.
    Nowadays in the University of Malaya we have mediocre academicians from one single race as Deans or Vice-Chancellors in all our public universities. We even have Rafiah Salim who does not even possess a PhD as the VC of University of Malaya. Our Government is so shameless or brainless to make such an appointment.
    I think even the Upper 6 students from some of our private colleges have better brains than these current crop of academicians from our public universities.
    To use a colloquial term the Rakyat “vomit blood” with such idiots running our public universities.

  48. #48 by bellion on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:18 pm

    Kasim Amat,

    Please do not insult American voters who are largely colour blind unlike you who would have done Hitler proud if you were born a German.

    The likes of you and cintanegara should be shipped to a desert island where the two of you can duke it out to see who is the scummiest.

  49. #49 by cemerlang on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:19 pm

    Malaysia boleh !

    It has taken the blacks more than 300 years before a black becomes the head of a nation. If that 300 years did not prove anything, then what else do the blacks have to prove ? From the moment their ancestors came as slaves, they knew that there is no turning back. U.S.A. is their home.

    Congratulations to President Barrack Obama !

  50. #50 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:21 pm

    Singapore IS first class in almost anything……cintanegara
    I said….you cannot use Malaysian populations..land size…with percentage of different races..totally different from a small country…like S’pore…to say this or that…and why not…this or that….cannot be the same.
    This to me..not important.
    I am not going to write pages to explain why.
    It’s too deep rooted…with dirty politic propagandas…in Malaysia…and we are concentrating to vote UMNO out..as the most sensible solution.
    Don’t bring out useless comparison….to throw others …out of concentration…of their objectives.
    I was not born yesterday.

  51. #51 by alias601213 on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:25 pm

    It is nothing to do with chinese, Indian or Kadazan. To be Prime Minister of Malaysia you have to win in a general election. Once you won, whatever race you are, you are qualified to be Prime Minister of Malaysia. The only question, can you win Malaysian heart in order to win the general election. Obama won the election because he strugles for american not for blacks.

  52. #52 by Tonberry on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:25 pm

    Did anyone watch the Youtube clip of Najib’s pre-press conference.
    C4 Najib mentioned the word “punggung” and “1987 incident”.


    So if you tell me this guy never involved with Altantuya, never will i gonna believe it.

  53. #53 by cinaindiamelayubersatu on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:29 pm

    a. ntv7 edisi 7 : …pendatang dari kenya ke “white house”. pendatang di bolehland jangan harap. akan aku hunus keris aku dan tusuk kepada sesiapa yang cuba. ini bolehland aku. aku yang punya. ingat barang siapa yang berani….
    b. kalau perlantikan “general manager” aka “pengurus am” dari jenis orang pendatang sudah menimbulkan kekecohan, rasa rasanya kalau PM dari jenis orang pendatang (bukan mamak bukan jawa bukan bugis) pastinya bolehland ini hancur lebur bermandikan darah (nasib baik darah warnanya merah untuk semua..)
    c. hanya di bolehland yang mana wang politik politik wang @ rasuah terang terang kata berlaku tapi tiada tindakan. kecewa kecewa sungguh

  54. #54 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:38 pm

    hi cintanegara…UMNO can appoint ministers from MIC…MCA and Gerakan.
    To Malaysians…..these are puppets on the strings ..with no power..just for show….got it??

  55. #55 by hiro on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:40 pm

    UMNO is ultimately a lazy party who is unwilling to make changes to survive. It is lazy because it is easier to have direct negotiated contracts with agreed kickbacks rather than having to compete and doing real work. It is lazy because it is better to harp on racism and stoking prejudice to get votes rather than speaking the language of unity and inclusiveness. It is lazy because it’s easier to have knee jerk reaction to every social and economical problems confronting the country rather than to spend late nights thinking about a comprehensive long term solution.

    I think the rakyat has given UMNO enough chances already. Come next general election or hopefully much sooner, I hope we should usher in a new political culture under Pakatan Rakyat. While it may still be some distance before we get our first non-Malay-Muslim PM, at least the chances are markedly improved.

  56. #56 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:40 pm

    If comparision against Singapore was useless then why this topic was brought up in the first place? Why LKS is relating M’sia political scenario with US/Obama? I think the comparision is even useless…. To LKS, better stop this kind of posting….U would hurt your Malay friends not only from UMNO but also from PR……..Majority Malaysian are not interested in this kind of topic….Compare with the Negarawan Ulung’s website (chedet). Each time there’s a posting, thousands will reply….If we were browsing his blog on Blackberry or PDA, the screen could easily hanged due numerous reply from his supporters.

  57. #57 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:42 pm

    And as long as UMNO and BN want to play race and religion politics…Malaysians are united to vote them out.
    Most important.we are voting out…a government who thinks like you and Kasim…robbing us…high and dry….with no shame nor guilty feelings. Got that too?
    Why are you so thick skin and illogical?

  58. #58 by safeworld on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:43 pm

    Let me quote some text of Obama’s victory speech “….The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.

    I promise you, we as a people will get there.

    AUDIENCE: Yes we can! Yes we can.”
    See the different mentally of the people between a ‘big’ country and a ‘small’ country like Malaysia. We are far from get there!

  59. #59 by cinaindiamelayubersatu on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:44 pm

    negara orang menuju kecemerlangan kegemilangan dan keterbilangan.. bolehland ini menuju kemalapan kegelapan seterusnya kehancuran jika ada orang salah tapi lepas ; kata ada politik wang @ rasuah tapi cakap dengan air liur ; ada orang macam pasir salak/sri gading/ ahh susah sebut satu satu…. bolehland ini menuju kemalapan kegelapan seterusnya kehancuran jika ada orang umno yang hidungnya tajam mencium wang macam anjing, yang matanya tajam mengintai wang macam kucing, yang telinganya tajam (macam apa hah ?? ) mendengar lubuk wang, yang hatinya busuk berhasad dengki (macam apa hah ??) menggunakan wang haram untuk mencari kedudukan mencari nama mencari kuasa untuk diri keluarga sahabat handai… ya allah ya tuhanku selamat kan lah negara ku bolehland ini dari kehancuran…

  60. #60 by jus legitimum on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:52 pm

    Ya,cintanegara,that website got quantity but no quality.There is nothing to shout about.More so that old fellow is the greatest hypocrite and Pak Pura-Pura because he acts and pretends to be a coconut shell dweller.

  61. #61 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 10:54 pm

    As a true Malaysian, why not showing our patriotism and devotion to our country? Why should we praise other countries and say good things about them?

  62. #62 by CSKUEH on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:08 pm

    If more people are in the right mind
    More are race, creed and colour blind
    Although differ in culture but not in kind
    Then a non-Malay/Muslim PM you may find

  63. #63 by Reluctant Malaysian on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:08 pm

    cintanegara, we can’t have blind patriotism and devotion. If we can never say anything bad, how do we improve the country? You surely can’t be thinking that Malaysia is perfect, right? We praise other countries because we recognise their achievements, the good things they have accomplished and how we should follow them to improve our country as well. Unless you think Malaysia is the best in the world and doesn’t need to learn from anyone else.

  64. #64 by 10J on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:10 pm

    “cintanegara Says:
    Today at 19: 58.08 (3 hours ago)

    Will Singapore ready to have PM from the minority races?”

    Actually, I believe there was a survey conducted in Singapore a few years back, and the result was that most Singaporeans are comfortable with having a non-Chinese as PM.

  65. #65 by just a moment on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:12 pm

    Yes YB, why not a Non Malay PM? Anything is possible in Bolehland.
    Currently, things are already changing although it’s a bit slow. That’s because we only have one nutcase here in kasim a nut. The changes will be quicker if we have more of these nuts. That’s because with him around everyone else automatically looks brighter and smarter. Its also a chance of learning what opposite means as an example.

    YB Kit, I salute you for being so generous in accommodating a ‘uninvited’ guest to your blog who gives you warning to closed down your blog. YB are you sure you allow a human or a ‘termites’ into your blog?

  66. #66 by cinaindiamelayubersatu on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:15 pm

    …tetapi sesetengah rakyat yang katanya adalah pemunya bolehland ini juga sudah semakin maju semakin bijak. dari pasir salak sudah pandai berbahasa inggeris, dia sudah faham penggunaan “bastard” ; dari batu pahat dia pun sudah pandai berbahasa inggeris, dia sudah faham penggunaan “rhetoric”. kalau mereka sudah maju dan berkebolehan sememangnya mereka layak. tapi janganlah guna wang janganlah guna temberang janganlah guna dasar aku punya… gunalah MERIT….

  67. #67 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:19 pm

    Is DAP eyeing on the PM position? I’m bringing up this because they keep on talking about non-Malay/Muslim PM . Are they saying that non-Malay PM is better than Malay? If yes, pls declare it publicly/officially and see whether most Malaysian are in line with their idea. Or maybe LKS himself wants to be PM?

  68. #68 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:20 pm

    cintanegara…you can twist and turn…as much as you like.
    This is a free country!
    Malaysians are practical and smart.
    We are…….geared to vote… CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT!!
    My Malay friends never stop respecting and loving me.
    How old are you?
    I am 70 years old.

  69. #69 by monsterball on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:24 pm

    I declare I am not a Malay and is eyeing for the PM position.

  70. #70 by safeworld on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:25 pm

    Hi everyone, let see this BLACK man OBAMA said “America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves — if our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper, what change will they see? What progress will we have made?

    This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment.

    This is our time, to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth, that, out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. And where we are met with cynicism and doubts and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can.”

    Please ask ourselves few questions;
    1. What is our dream?
    2. What are we going to do for our lovely children in future?
    3. Do we seek happiness, peace and joy in our life?

  71. #71 by just a moment on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:37 pm

    wow, so fast, now it looks and sounds like we may have 2 nutcase here? Cintanegara Man, you missed the mark bro. Its not a question if a non Malay PM better than Malay PM. Who the hell knows coz we never have a Non Malay PM yet, right? So cannot tell lah. In all probability, one can safely conclude, any Non Malay PM cannot be WORST off! unless if you or the opther nutcase become PM. You understand now? Hope this help to clarify your thoughts.

  72. #72 by chengho on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:37 pm

    Not much diff between barrack obama and mc cain , they speak the same language , eat the same food no non halal issues , go to the same church , celebrate the same new year ,same halloween,same thanks giving , same X mas celebration ,same culture ,same school, same college/university and list is on and on . that is the American way based on majority as the core value of the country.
    In Malaysia we even celebrate diff new year , go to diff school , not to mention mosque ,church and temple,some peoples still not fluent in national language . Malaysia have to give credit to themself in that sense we are much much better than many country.
    you should ask the foreign workers and expats Malaysia is the land of oppurtunity .
    The time will come one day but probably not in the distance future and only when uncle LKS dissolve DAP and Malaysia have only 2 parties system BN and Pakatan . Looking at the talent within the opposition we cannot find barrack obama quality yet .

    By the way barrack obama full name is barrack HUSSIN obama any relation to hussin of UMNO?

  73. #73 by ryan123 on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:37 pm

    To hopelessly cognitive-handicapped cintanegara and kasim amat.


    Check who is S.R. Nathan

    And check who is S. Rajaratnam. There is even an autonomous institution within NTU named after him http://www.rsis.edu.sg/

    Malaysia doesnt even have a non-Malay (not even true bumi) vice-chancellor in the Public University.

    By bringing the issue out will not make LKS a PM. The mere intention is to let racists like you to reflect the deeper meanings of democracy, equality of rights and national unity. Bet you can’t get it, right?

  74. #74 by therising on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:40 pm

    cintanegara is a damn katak di bawah tempurung! why do you need to compare which race is better than which race? what we malaysians want is a system based on meritocracy – can’t you get that into your thick skull?! maythe best man be the PM, regardless of chinese, indian or malay!

  75. #75 by cintanegara on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:40 pm

    Mr Monsterball, I’m in my mid 30s and thought to respect the elders. That’s what I learned from the National school. I regardyou all as my friends though we have different political ideologies.

  76. #76 by waterfrontcoolie on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:52 pm

    Over there, at least the PRESIDENT IS being rotated but still based on OTAK QUALITY!! Non-Chinese are given compettitive chances to lead in Us, Ministries and so Forth, so don’t compare!
    I think most, if not all bloggers here do agree that the poor among which Bumis may be in the majority need help but not those BUMIS who have MILLIONS in overseas banks and seek to rack in more and post them in overseas!!

  77. #77 by safeworld on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:53 pm

    “we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do…”
    Do we suffer alot during nation building some 50 years ago until now? I think Malaysia is such a beautiful country that blessed with all sort of natural resources and we are far away from all the natural disasters. But all the while we are argue on own race’s benefit instead of benefit of all mankind, the world now are interrelate that no one will immune from not being influence from others action-the Newton’s Law of Action and Reaction. So, let think what are the much more we can do for the nation, for the poor, for the interest of every Malaysian instead of single race.. this should be our homework for the future!

  78. #78 by waterfrontcoolie on Wednesday, 5 November 2008 - 11:58 pm

    With so many white bigots around, not much different from some that we have here.; I can only pray that OBAMA takes serious precaution over his own safety!

  79. #79 by amardvalentino on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:00 am

    Haha! I think cintanegara did mention Singapore appointing the majority, which means more Chinese and Indians as ministers in Singapore right?
    Well, go check out Singapore’s population in Wikipedia please. You’ll realise the minority is actually the Indians. The majority is Chinese followed by Malay and lastly Indians and other races.
    Ohyes, there are Malays in Singapore who practice Christianity and even Buddhism. The funny thing is the Government which consists of mostly Chinese ministers forbid (without a legal law however) the Malays from engaging into religions besides Islam.
    It doesn’t make sense if a person of the majority-race should be a PM. Fiji, a nation which used to take our country as a model for their race-based economic and political policies declared such ideology had failed and harmed itself. Fiji alike Bolehland has 2 major races, the bumiputera-native Fiji and “pendatang”-Indians. There were already a few Indians who became the PM of that country.
    Mind you, Fiji seems to be one “lousy” country to me but they are more mature than we are.

  80. #80 by waterfrontcoolie on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:01 am

    Yes, Hitler also had millions of germans supporting him!!

  81. #81 by imranj78 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:02 am

    I have nothing against a non-Malay PM when the country is ready. However, based on my personal evaluation of the current situation, I do not think we are there yet.

    I have yet to get a response from anyone on my previous post – would the other PR partners a.k.a. PKR and PAS support a non-Malay PM and would they go public on such a stand? What do you guys think? Please share your thoughts.

  82. #82 by just a moment on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:12 am

    ok imranj78, A Non-Malay PM?
    With best shot I think highly unlikely with PAS
    Perhaps for another few terms with PKR

    This country requires their own kind Malays
    to untangle the lies, denials, and face and tell
    truth, no one else can help
    other than God.
    What do you think? imranj78?
    Lets hear from you.

  83. #83 by ryan123 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:17 am

    Malay is the subset of Bumi. And I see little non-Malay BUMI in local political scene. Invisible suppression?

  84. #84 by cintanegara on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:17 am

    PKR and PAS would try their level best to avoid such question being asked to them publicly. However, deep inside thier heart, they say no way…..On the other hand, we’re not sure whether they want to sacrifice the DPM post to the Non-Malay. Perhaps they would, given the fact that they require DAP’s support. Most likely, they would create 2 DPM posts, so that they could claim that Malay wouldn’t loose anything as 1 DPM post has been given to PAS.

  85. #85 by Tonberry on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:26 am

    imranj78 Says:
    I have yet to get a response from anyone on my previous post – would the other PR partners a.k.a. PKR and PAS support a non-Malay PM and would they go public on such a stand?

    I am afraid that you might have to go to Harakahdaily to ask that question. None of us here are authorised to answer on behalf of PAS. Not even YB Kit himself. If you want answer, should ask from PAS leaders, not DAP leaders; since you are directing the question to PAS & PKR.

  86. #86 by waterfrontcoolie on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:30 am

    Having watched so much of the recent US election { Bravos to OBAMA }, I sincerely think the Americen people are in for big trouble in their health, there are so many obese people in their population! hence Obama [ he looks trim and fit } will have huge medical bill to take care! In view of this our gomen should discourage the opening of too many fast food outlets in this country. Just walk down the street, the impact is already showing among teenage boys and girls among the local middle -class!
    Don’t think this is a joke! USA will be bankrupted by her medical care expenditires!

  87. #87 by OrangRojak on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:58 am

    So many racist comments, I could puke on my keyboard. Does Barack Obama describe himself as black? I wondered that as I read all the headlines about “black president”. Who assigned him to that category first? They were presumably using the “One Drop” rule.

    And what is this “a black” nonsense? Who learned to write English in South Africa? He’s a man, people, with a good tan. If you have to refer to the race of very dark-skinned people, try “a black man”. But why refer to race at all? After all, if you believe scientists, all our mothers were Africans once. If you believe in Middle Eastern religion, then we’re all Jews. Like my Jewish uncle-by-marriage Reuben told me when I was a kid, observing the portraits of a blond-haired, blue-eyed Christ my mother liked to hang on the walls of our home: “You see that Jesus, you know he was a black boy, don’tcha?”

    One thing that made me laugh though – did anybody watch his acceptance speech and hear the crowd shout “Boleh!”?

  88. #88 by AhPek on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:01 am

    Your understanding of the question posed by LKS is shocking for you have failed miserably to sense the implication in his poser to the House.YB’s ‘teaser’ is to test the waters of the UMNOPUTRAS as to whether they have grasped the significance of Barack Obama being elected President of The United States of America in a nation whereby African Americans made up only 13.4% of the population (as of 2006 estimation).True to form they did not disappoint from the ridiculous and vehement protestations that followed in the House.The racism demonstrated by them is beyond belief.
    You have even got the gall to mention Singapore’s case as if Singapore’s racism is worse than Malaysia’s.Let me tell you between the 2 countries Malaysia exhibits far more and far worse racism (very often shamelessly) than Singapore.Look at Singapore’s ethnic population breakdown figure (2006).Chinese represents 75.2%,Malays 13.6%,Indians 8.8% and others 2.4%, thus the Chinese is overwhelmingly dominant in numbers over the rest of the ethnic groups and yet you’ll find the minorities are well represented in the activities of the nation.Also if you look at the population statistics of Singapore from 1970 to 2006, the Chinese population change from 77% t0 75.2%,the Malays from !4.8% to 13.6%, Indians from 7% to 8.8% and others from 1.2% to 2.4%.In other words its population is relatively with slight decrease in Chinese and Malay population and slight increase in the Indian and others.On the flip side just have a look at Malaysia’s case.From The Bureau of East Asia And Pacific Affairs (June 2008),the Malay population is 53.3%,Chinese 26%,Indigeneous 11.8%,Indian 7.7% and others 1.2%.The Malays form just a simple majority over the rest and yet the representation in the civil service is overwhelmingly Malay.That can also be said in the awarding of scholarships and the granting of medical places in the public universities.Marginalisation has been carried out to incredible extent.Population of Chinese,Indians and others in 1957 is more than Malays and yet today the Chinese and Indians have declined to about 34%.One of the big factors is the mass importation of Indonesians in Peninsula first then Indonesians and Filipinos in East Malaysia.Of course there are also the mass migrations of young non Malays to foreign lands to the tune of 2 million since 1957 due to marginalisation!

  89. #89 by seals on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:06 am

    Malaysians can dream ON. Even when UMNO was declared null & void, MCA should have resumed the PM post till UMNO Baru was formed…they did not do it.

    psssst: Why not Selangor government start removing the road signs that has JAWI in it and just put it in MALAY as they said “claimed that the council’s move would jeopardise the position of Bahasa Malaysia as the country’s national language.” And sue Johor for using the same?

  90. #90 by cotot on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:47 am

    Dear LKS, Obama = Kenya (Black) + Kansas (White). If i not mistaken, Tun Mahathir = Mamak ( Indian + Malay…or whatever..) and my suggestion is why not asked your daughter or any of your relative to get married with the malays, and maybe your grandchildren in near future, could be Malaysian next Prime Minister…why not? You are deffenitely the best mentor your grandchildren could ever had….worth trying…


  91. #91 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:53 am

    imranj78 in his posting at 21:51.16 said, “the USA took more then 150 years to get where they are today” and asked, do you think we are at the same position with the USA in race relations after 50 odd years or independance?”

    Race relations 150 years ago were (with slavery) worse than 50 years ago in the USA. However even 50 years ago – the approximate time when we attained independence – race relations in USA were bad enough and arguably worse than Malaya then.

    In the 1950s, black and white people were segregated in virtually every aspect of daily life in the Southern states of USA, including public transportation as in boarding and sitting in a bus.

    The rule in interstate bus travel was that coloured passengers had to move aside to give their seats to whites on grounds of racial inferiority of the blacks or racial superiority of the whites!

    Then there was this African American lady Rosa Parks (February 4, 1913 – October 24, 2005) whom the U.S. Congress later called “Mother of the Modern-Day Civil Rights Movement”.

    On December 1, 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, Rosa Parks refused to obey bus driver James Blake’s order to give up her seat to make room for a white passenger and was arrested! She took the case all the way to the US Supreme Court and sucesful set a milestone for the Civil Rights Movement there.

    Don’t talk of 150 years of American history etc….Comparing, 50 years ago a black like Rosa Park still had to sit on the back of the bus and stand up to give a seat to a white, when no where in Malaya 50 years ago did we have such a problem : Malays and Non Malays then sat and stood in the same bus. In parts of USA then, the situation was definitely by comparison worse than here.

    In spite of that, more than 50 years thence a Black man who then hadroblem of sitting in a bus could now sit in the White house where in Malaysia a non Malay cannot even be a General Manager of PKNS, let alone more……

    So what does this show? People there in USA started in a lower point/base in race relations than us but the catching up was faster than us in leaps and bounds 50 years thence. What explains?

    As I have had occasion to mention in earlier thread, it all boils down to mores, cultural values, attitudes, behavioral pattern of larger citizenry.

    Whilst others like the Americans, in terms of mores, mindset and attitudes, would strive for progressive change for the better to a higher organisation and plane of conducting affairs in a fair, sensible and equitable manner, ours are to regress to the comfort and security in the feudal past.

    50 years in our case has been squandered to make race relations worse whereas in the other case, quite the oposite, to improve the same, towards the ideal that race matters not but only merits and content of character!

    It is this difference in mores, mindset and attitudes that proves a measuring cast between the citizenry of USA from ours – and it is not just time, since we are using the same time frame of 50 odd years for comparison of both cases, in which in the case of USA, they started off 50 years ago from a lower/worse base in terms of race relations and 50+ years thereafter ends in higher base than us!

    Not very different from the way we regress in other areas as well like for eg. continuous revision of our Higher Education Minister’s expectations downwards in THES ranking of Top 200 World Universities to 500 World Universities – and maybe later even to 1000 World Universities! :)

  92. #92 by fong on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 2:01 am

    The Chinese came to Malaya more than 1000 years ago, while the Indians came here almost 1030 years ago.

    Kota Gelanggi and Lembah Bujang are proof of these early settlements.

  93. #93 by monsterball on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 2:19 am

    cintanegara…I don’t like to apply..how to agree to disagree in politics.
    It is for or against….and I don’t treat those for UMNO and BN as my friends.
    Dirty politics by UMNO…MIC…MCA and Gerakan.. have made Malaysians….to decide.. simple. It is…..FOR or AGAINST the government….no if….but.. or maybe.
    So..are you supporting change of government?
    If not….please do not treat me as your friend.
    You are my enemy..and will remain so…until we agree to vote the same way.
    I have seen enough nice guys….that actually are pro UMNO..trying to be nice…to get voters.
    I don’t like your cunning style of talking.

  94. #94 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 2:36 am


    singapore has no qualms in electing a non-chinese pm. the country lives on merits. now that the u.s. elected its first minority president, u’r questioning singapore? what’s next? zimbabwe?

  95. #95 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 2:58 am

    cintanegara, your arguments are predicated on singapore as a whole is prejudiced against qualified malays in filling various posts. i bet u have zero insight to whether they are indeed qualified or not, but i can tell u on a purely merits-based system that is singapore, they are outdone by the chinese who wants it more, and who makes up a larger pool as the majority. but that formula works naught for the malays in malaysia. despite the number, will the truly qualified ones please stand up?? at the mere suggestion of opening up more university spots for minorities or appointing a chinese to temporarily lead pkns, they cry murder! the obama chapter is something malays will never have the privilege to.

  96. #96 by cintanegara on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:06 am

    Though I’m classified as a young generation, I’m matured enough to put aside ideological differences in name of friendship. I respect everybody irregardless of their social, financial status or race.

    Dear troublumsian, anyone can claim this and that, but the reality is we never seen that happening for the past 43 years.

  97. #97 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:12 am

    AhPek, i’m with you, and thanks for the stats. i’d like to add the hispanic movement in the u.s. to the line of thought. in a combo of cultural, social-economic and ethno-ambition tendencies, the hispanic population continues to grow in an alarming rate. can u see the similarities in this country?

  98. #98 by drago2008 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:31 am

    While Malaysians from different sides of the political divide throw brickbats at each other, Barack Obama’s US election victory as president-elect comes as a great gust of fresh air.

    In his victory speech, Obama’s resounding message that “change has come to America” rings out loud and clear.

    The American people have decided that this African-American, whose roots go back to Kenya, will now lead the most powerful nation on earth that is a melting pot of people from different ethnic backgrounds.

    Now, the question is: Will change come to Malaysia?

    Will all the races be as ONE – true Malaysians – who believe in trust and respect, and freedom of choice in the way they live?

    Will this manifest itself when we see CHANGE in the next elections four years from now? Or are we consigned to the present pollution of bigotry that may well continue for the next 100 years?

    It’s dreadful to think of the long wait for salvation from bigotry, by which time, this country will become the “sickman of Southeast Asia” or worst.

    Even the loser, Republican John McCain, was graceful when he conceded defeat by saying that the Democrat president-elect has achieved a “great thing” for himself and the country with his historic victory.

    Compare McCain to some of our parliamentarians who have no compunction to utter words that are downright disgraceful. I wonder how Obama, who has shown his ability as an orator, would react if he watches the antics of our elected representatives in Parliament and listen to how they articulate themselves.

    And what would the 44th president of the United States of America think of some of our politicians whose words and deeds smack of racism, chauvinism and bigotry, all of which Obama, in this extract from his victory speech, sums it up in two powerful sentences:

    “In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let’s resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.”

  99. #99 by imranj78 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:37 am

    just a moment,
    you posted `This country requires their own kind Malays
    to untangle the lies, denials, and face and tell
    truth, no one else can help
    other than God.’
    I think its not only the Malays that have to change. All of us including the non-Malays have to change. We need to understand and see through all the lies, denials from BOTH sides of the political divide. We must appreciate the history of this country and the constitutional basis that Malaysia was formed upon.

    you posted `I am afraid that you might have to go to Harakahdaily to ask that question. None of us here are authorised to answer on behalf of PAS. Not even YB Kit himself. If you want answer, should ask from PAS leaders, not DAP leaders; since you are directing the question to PAS & PKR.’
    I am asking DAP as PAS and PKR are partners with DAP in PR. We know BN’s stand on this matter. Shouldn’t we the Malaysian people also deserve to know what is PR’s stand on this matter?

    you said `psssst: Why not Selangor government start removing the road signs that has JAWI in it and just put it in MALAY as they said “claimed that the council’s move would jeopardise the position of Bahasa Malaysia as the country’s national language.” And sue Johor for using the same?’
    Wake up and please don’t be so ignorant. Jawi is not a language but rather it is a written text using the arabic alphabets. Jawi is still written in the Malay language so the issue of jeopardizing the position of BM does not arise!

  100. #100 by danagil on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:45 am

    when a chinese crave and finally succeeded in becoming a prime minister in malaysia, the next request is…. can a chinese become a king in the malay states.

    anyway i think it is possible for a chinese to become a prime minister in malaysia if 95% of the malays support dap.

  101. #101 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:54 am

    “…I sincerely think the Americen people are in for big trouble in their health, there are so many obese people in their population! hence Obama [ he looks trim and fit } will have huge medical bill to take care!” waterfrontcoolie

    That’s stupid!

  102. #102 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:58 am

    imranj78, you said “We must appreciate the history of this country and the constitutional basis that Malaysia was formed upon.”

    america had its share of a history of white rule and equalities baked into the constitution. the rule and the constitution changed and continue to change for the betterment of its people.

    no one likes change, but world history has shown it almost always ended up just fine. malaysia needs to wake up or further risk the trot down oblivion.

  103. #103 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:00 am

    that one comment by waterfrontcoolie about obama and america’s obesity bill is autistic.

  104. #104 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:00 am

    “america had its share of a history of white rule and equalities baked into the constitution. ” trublumsian

    “White rule and equalities baked into the U.S. Constitution? You can’t be serious!!

  105. #105 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:01 am

    correction: america had its share of a history of white rule and INequalities baked into the constitution…

  106. #106 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:01 am

    undergrad2 dude, typo!

  107. #107 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:05 am

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”

    I thought this was how the U.S. Declaration of Independence 1776 went??

  108. #108 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:06 am

    What “white rule” ???

  109. #109 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:08 am

    What “White” rule baked into the U.S. Constitution??

  110. #110 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:12 am

    people of color can’t vote. that’s a white rule.

  111. #111 by trublumsian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:17 am

    the doi in 1776 did not specify who could vote. the federal gov craftily left it to the states, much like the gay marriage rights today. the 15th amendment 1870 was the change unimaginable for many at that time.

  112. #112 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:22 am

    Amendment XV [1870]

    “The right of citizens…shall not be denied…on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude.”

  113. #113 by tourman53 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 5:52 am

    Try test the UMNO Parliment members with writing in numbers of one Billion. I think most of them will fail.

  114. #114 by monsterball on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:17 am

    Singapore will not be what Singapore is today….if all the Malaysians working there…return home.
    When you are dealing with the future of the country and people…a matured and wise man like me…..do not simply accept everyone as friends.
    To me….it is a warfare in Malaysia…created by UMNO…with so many of my friends..arrested under ISA …..and in jail….for no reasons.
    Cowards apply such laws to their advantage….cannot be trusted and be friendly to.
    It’s war of words and personalities….and we choose our friends…..don’t we?
    To me……..it is for or against……and lives are involved. What so nice and friendly about it? Yes.we do smile to those .we don’t like….but in blogging….my mind is made up……for or against change of government.
    If everyone is friendly with those are pro UMNO or BN…then..there will be no seriousness in deciding who to vote…coming election.
    I detest cunning …selfish.. sly fox and idiots …..to be nice to me. I hate balls carriers…especially…all those parties ..puppets to UMNO.
    Maturity is not about being a nice guy. If one plays the part of a nice guy….carrying balls of his boss..always say things boss like to hear…but do not produce results in working life…that person…have no dignity and principles in life.
    Why befriend such characters? Smile …and play act…OK.

  115. #115 by homeblogger on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:33 am

    Jeffrey Says:
    Today at 01: 53.07 (6 hours ago)

    50 years in our case has been squandered to make race relations worse whereas in the other case, quite the oposite, to improve the same, towards the ideal that race matters not but only merits and content of character!

    It is this difference in mores, mindset and attitudes that proves a measuring cast between the citizenry of USA from ours…


    Agree with Jeff. Somehow, UMNO has managed to keep our nation segregated in these 50 years under the guise of unity and harmony. Now older and wiser, I see how they have deftly used the race card to get the races to kow-tow in their frenzied greed for power, money and ketuanan. After hundreds of years of non-Tuans sacrificing our blood, sweat and tears to build what we thought was truly our own country, we now have the likes of Ahmad Ismail and Kasim Amat slinging us back to the pre-colonial era.

    Perhaps it all boils down to the “Malay Dilemma” described by Mahathir. The Tuans are essentially an insecure and unmotivated people. They hold on to the past with a vice grip because change scares them. I believe they will forever be in a dilemma. Worse, they will bring the whole nation to ruin because of their inabillity to rise above the simplest of challenges – for example the abolishing of the NEP, which never benefited their own in general.

  116. #116 by taiking on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:46 am

    The response to uncle kit’s question will be more than a straight NO.
    The response is likely to be that it is wrong to raise the question in the first place. That is questioning the rights of some privileged pendatangs – umnoputras.

  117. #117 by cinaindiamelayubersatu on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:46 am

    aku bilang aku punya
    kau jangan beriaya iaya
    menteri kewangan dulu mca punya
    mca kini lembik tidak bermaya

  118. #118 by AhPek on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:50 am

    If there is a racism index measuring the extent of racism displayed by a country just like you have corruption measured in Corruption Index and ranked the countries according to such an index,I am certain Malaysia would rank high up in the list.The main reason for this would have to be attributed to UMNOPutras fanning racism to maintain their political position in order to continue raping this land.Typical example from such indoctrination is Kassim Amat who thinks that this land belongs to the Malays!!IT BELONGS TO THE INDIGENEOUS PEOPLE,AMAT and UMNOputra has marginalised them.

  119. #119 by danagil on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 9:15 am

    By saying that tanah melayu belongs to the indigenous people, what actually does ahpek expect the present government to do. hand over the government to indigenous people?

    you mean australia, us, britain, india and even china and taiwan do not have their own indigenous people? what about singapore then?

    i suspected that the recent ruckus involving the indigenous people’s memorandum to Agung was inspired by the chinese people to deny and belittle the rightful owner of tanah melayu.

    you want to be a malaysia pm? are you willing to do what the chinese in thailand are doing or rather forced to do? are you willing to change your name to thaksin? are you willing to converse in thais? are you willing?if you are willing, then i have no qualms of you becoming the next pm.. haiyyaaaaa.

    mau bikin satu sekolah supaya semua anak2 malaysia belajar satu kelas pun sulah satu lunia mau bising..mau jadi pm konon..

  120. #120 by Samuel Goh Kim Eng on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 9:17 am

    Americans don’t simply choose a president just because he’s black
    They merely exercise democracy and elect who they think is best
    In exercising their basic fundamental rights there is no slack
    After the big election they still put the president to the test

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 061108
    Thur. 6th Nov. 2008.

  121. #121 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 9:26 am

    /// # cintanegara Says:
    Yesterday at 19: 58.08
    Will Singapore ready to have PM from the minority races? ///

    Why not? If the minority person(s) is/are capable and can command the respect of the electorate, he/she can be the PM of Singapore. You have already seen many minority races in Singapore’s cabinet.

  122. #122 by Bigjoe on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 9:28 am

    Hey but an Indonesian, Bangladeshi or Sudanese can be PM of Malaysia!!!

  123. #123 by k1980 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 9:50 am

    What if Obama turned out to be like Malaysia’s “Flash-in-the-pan” Dollah, who upon being bundled out after just 1 term as PM, insists on yet another 5 months to start on his “reforms”?

    Very much doubt if the US Supreme Court would ever give Obama another 5 months to start on his reforms after losing the elections in 2012

  124. #124 by Justicewanted on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:02 am

    We had a former mamak prime minister, a former Indo menteri besar, a indo Home Minister and lots of mamaks and indos in UMNO. What is the big deal about Obama???

  125. #125 by phoenixchoco on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:07 am

    The answer to Mr Lim is Yes.

    BUT, when the Chinese do not speak Chinese (Mandarin, Contonese, Hakka and etc) and the Indians do not speak Indians (i.e Tamil and etc) in public anymore. Everybody speaks Bahasa Malaysia locally and good English when dealing with foreigners.

    When the prejudice is not there from the Malays, then they will be more open. At the moment mother tounge language is openly spoken without considering whether one does understand it.
    If a Chinese is surrounded by a group of Tamils around him or her, and the Tamils start speaking in Tamil in front of the Chinese, that Chinese would feel uneasy and would start to have a prejudice towards the Tamils.

    This is the same feelings the Malays have been feeling all these years. There is no way they would want to give in to them.

    We have got to speak the same language to be united. When there is no more prejudice, things would flow easily.

    In the US, people speak English as their first language. Other native languages may be spoken within the native community or at home. So it is very different here.

    When the Malays see the Chinese speaking Bahasa Malaysia among them, the Indians also speaking Bahasa Malaysia among them, and inter-races as well, discussions can be more constructive and more participative.

    Thailand has had a Prime Minister of an ethnic chinese background beacuse he only speaks Thais and adopt Thai cultures and values. He could not have become a Prime Minister, ( the majority would not have allowed that) if he insisted on his Chinese schools, language, cultures and etc. He is Thai, so he has become like one.

    That’s what Malaysia needs so badly at the moment.


  126. #126 by ryan123 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:10 am

    “…rightful owner of Tanah Melayu..”,justification? What make the indigenious people no the rightful owner? Even Kevin Rudd bowed and apologized to the Australian natives when het got into office. Forget about PM, just see how orang asli are marginalized nowadays.

  127. #127 by Thinking Two on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:13 am

    New Malaysia is making its way now.

    Mamak tail did mention before that non-malay can be a PM. He said that just wanted to scare the naive people as he knew that these people can easily be fooled due to their poor knowledge so that he can stay in power at their expense. Mamak tail is having a vehicle worth more than six figures but these poor people have only a motorcycle worth six thousand. Some even worst they have to ask for advanced salary from their employer for buying petrol.

    Nowaday. It is different. Malay who has knowledge can sense what is wrong and what is right.

    We should thank mamak tail that for his so-called good work.

    It is because of him that the legend of the word “Rahman” is coming to its END with the last “N” about to appear in a few months.

    This will very soon become one of the chapters in the history textbook for our grandchildren.

  128. #128 by Thinking Two on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:19 am

    What is NEP?

    Is it a Never Excel Programme!

  129. #129 by dawsonruby on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:24 am

    Kepada Cintanegara,

    Untuk maklumat anda, jikalau Malaysia ada praktis sistem “meriotracy” dengan bijak dan dengan remark Pak Lah hari ini, sesiapa pun boleh menjadi PM. Kami pasti malaysians akan mengundi kaum apa2 untuk menjadi PM Malaysia dan tidak melihat warna kulit. Soalannya, adakah kaum Melayu sedia menerima kaum lain untuk menjadi PM negara? mungkin tidak lagi…

  130. #130 by cintanegara on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:49 am

    Thanks En Dawsonruby for your initiative to write in Bahasa Kebangassan.

    For your kind information, I completely agree with Danagil. It is possible if 95% of the Malays support dap. This is a true fact that no one could ever deny…

  131. #131 by wargamalaysia on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:53 am

    Aiyooo….this topic is so simple…….sapa pun bole mau jadi PM ma…. Then MALAYsia also we can change to CINDIANsia…why not?? MALAY can also be the PM of CHINA…then change the country’s name to MALAYna…..why not?? MALAY can also be PM of INDIA….change the name later to MALAYA…why not??

    Indian can also be PM of South Korea…then change the country to SOUTH INDIA…why not???

  132. #132 by sj on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:04 am


    You are one engligthened person. This is how this article should be read. The purpose about this article is to shoot UMNO’s foot at how corrupted and racist they are. If you read between the line, you will notice that UMNO will forever still be shouting “KETUANAN MELAYU” while the rest of the world has already evolved and changed. This is the point Uncle Lim wanted to point out to everyone. So that everyone can wake up and smell reality. Not to be forever trapped in time warp like Kasim Amat.

  133. #133 by loveandgratitude on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:27 am

    citanegara-In S’pore we pratcise MERITOCRACY. Thats means the BEST Person for the Job regardless of race, language or religion. Although the Indian comprises only about 6-8%, they holds more HIGHER Postion in Govt in compare to the Malays; not because of their race but based on their capabilities.

    You are right that that presently there is only one Malay Cabinet Minister-Yaacob Ibrahim and also Zainal Abideen[Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs]. So far he is the best, capable and most articulate Malay Minister since 1959. I believe he will be rewarded with a more senior post in the next reshuffle. Prof Jayakumar[DPM], K Shamugam[Law Minister],Dr Balaji[Senior Minister of State], S Iswaran[Minister of State] are all Indians-solely because of their capabilities.

  134. #134 by wargamalaysia on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:33 am

    Kepada semua pelayar blog ini…. belajar terima kenyataan dan bersedia juga untuk belajar apa itu kenyataan.

    Perbezaan ASAS agama dan budaya yang amat KETARA menjadikan amat sukar untuk pelbagai kaum di Malaysia menerima sepenuhnya sesuatu budaya yg lain. Mungkin dengan pelbagai usaha, sehingga kini hanya sedikit sahaja yang dapat diterima contohnya cara pemakaian, pemakanan dan sedikit perayaan. Terlalu sedikit…

    Majoriti orang melayu yg beragama Islam masih meletakkan teras AGAMA sebagai asas BUDAYA. Sekiranya asas ini tergugat, sudah pasti majoriti orang melayu akan menolak perjuangan politik sesuatu parti. Sehingga kini majoriti orang melayu samada menyokong UMNO atau PAS…. Kenapa tidak DAP? Mungkin dasar perjuangan DAP TIDAK menepati ASAS budaya orang melayu…

    Tak perlu cerita berkenaan kaum. Selagi majoriti rakyat Malaysia menyokong, sesiapa pun boleh menjadi PM.

    So for those of YOU who WANTS to be the PM of Malaysia, you require my vote, my family votes, my friends’ votes, his vote, her vote, their votes…MALAYSIAN PEOPLE’s vote….That’s it… Just That…

    SIMPLE aye…

  135. #135 by dawsonruby on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:39 am

    Thank you so much for the compliment Sj, I was just trying to tell cintanegara that if Msia practices the right system as per what they said in the press, the question shouldn’t relate to the non-bumis while it should be relate to the bumiputeras whether are they ready to accept revolution or still hold tight with their “ketuanan”.

    To cintanegara,

    You’re most welcome, I was just trying create an atmosphere that you won’t feel the non-bumis are eyeing on the PM position, if Lim is qualify to attend the PM post, why not give him a try right? and If Lim couldn’t fulfill as what he has promised to the world then he should step down just like what Pak Lah did.

    and if you want to Question about Singapore, I can ensure you singapore is way more democracy than Malaysia in way of policies. Atleast they treat everyone equal as a singaporean citizen and never bias based on skin color. If you’re to question why only 1 malay minister in their parliament, i’d say because there is only 1 that qualified the role. Everyone knows that their system runs in a meriotracy way. And if you still dont believe me, you may grab a singaporean and ask him/her. I just asked my singaporean friend and she’s a malay, she said because some Malay ministers refused to take up the responsibility in the Minister role so they let others to take up the offer, simple as that.

  136. #136 by taiking on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:43 am

    The he goes again: Kasim said:

    “Malay is the rightful owner of this land there is no doubt about it.”

    I doubt what your claim. And I do so loudly and rightly because it is a known fact that 90% of umnoputras are pendatangs and penumpangs in this country. Your privilege is also mine privilege.

  137. #137 by onmyown on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 11:56 am

    Dear all bloggers

    I do not keen to talk about politic n I dont intend to susport the Government but please see below letter sent by Mahadzir Md Said in Bernama. Its about the ketuanan melayu n so on… and please I know all of you are “adults” so stop with the racist comment. You are not helping the situation at all but creating more chaos!


    Renung bersama kata-kata Tun Tan Siew Sin dan Tun Sambanthan agar anda tahu dari mana anda datang dan ke mana akan anda tujui. Semoga anda sedar siapa kita sebenarnya!. Tun Tan Siew Sin pada 30 April 1969 yang dipetik dalam buku Khalid Awang Osman yang berbunyi, “Orang Melayu menerusi UMNO bermurah hati melonggarkan syarat- syarat dalam undang-undang negara ini sehinggakan dalam masa 12 bulan selepas kemerdekaan, 90 peratus penduduk bukan Melayu menjadi warganegara. Ini berbeza dengan keadaan sebelum merdeka di mana 90 peratus daripada mereka masih tidak diiktiraf sebagai rakyat Tanah Melayu walaupun hampir 100 tahun hidup di bawah pemerintahan penjajah. Sebagai membalas kemurahan hati orang Melayu, MCA dan MIC bersetuju meneruskan dasar memelihara dan menghormati kedudukan istimewa orang Melayu dan dalam masa yang sama mempertahankan kepentingan-kepentingan sah kaum lain”. Tun Sambanthan pada 1 Jun 1965 pernah berkata: “Pada tahun 1955 kita telah memenangi pilihan raya dengan majoriti yang tinggi, selanjutnya mendapat kemerdekaan dalam masa dua tahun kemudian. Dalam jangka masa itu, kita terpaksa berbincang dan menangani pelbagai perkara termasuk soal kewarganegaraan. Persoalannya di sini, apakah yang dilakukan oleh orang Melayu memandangkan kita bercakap menyentuh perkauman? Apakah yang dilakukan oleh pemimpin-pemimpin Melayu? Mereka mempunyai 88 peratus daripada pengundi menyokong mereka. Apakah yang mereka putuskan mengenai isu kewarganegaraan? “Jika kita lihat di serata negara Asia dan Asia Timur, kita akan mendapati kaum India tidak akan diterima di Ceylon dan juga tidak diterima di Burma. Sama halnya dengan kaum Cina, mereka tidak diterima di Thailand, Vietnam, Kemboja dan di negara-negara lain. Apakah bantuan berhubung kewarganegaraan yang mereka peroleh di semua wilayah tersebut? “Di Burma, seperti yang kita semua sedia maklum, kaum India telah diusir keluar, di Ceylon mereka tidak diberikan taraf warganegara seperti juga di Burma. Saya tahu dan anda juga tahu. Apa yang sedang berlaku di Malaya? Di sini kita mendapati pemimpin Melayu berkata, “Kita akan menerima mereka sebagai saudara, kita akan berikan mereka sepenuh peluang untuk meneruskan kehidupan di negara ini, kita akan beri mereka peluang untuk menjadi warganegara”. Seterusnya pada tahun 1957, dengan tidak mengambil kira kebolehan berbahasa (Melayu) ribuan orang India, Cina dan Ceylon menjadi warganegara. Seperti yang saya nyatakan, saya amat bernasib baik kerana dilahirkan di negara ini. Di manakah anda boleh berjumpa bangsa yang lebih prihatin, bersopan-santun dan tertib selain daripada bangsa Melayu. Di manakah anda boleh mendapat layanan politik yang baik untuk kaum pendatang? Di manakah dalam sejarah dunia? Saya bertanya kepada anda. Ini adalah fakta. Siapakah anda untuk menjaga keselamatan kami? Saya adalah kalangan 10 peratus kaum minoriti di sini. Tetapi saya amat gembira di sini.” Tun Sambanthan …


  138. #138 by frankyapp on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 12:31 pm

    Malaysia can have a non malay PM when race and religion are separated from politic .Barack Obama won the presidential election because in the US race/religion and politic are separated .America is also a multi-racial country and people are united not because of race and religion but for the nation.Remember what the late president Kennedy said \ ask not what the nation can do for you but ask what you can do for the nation \. If all malaysian can think this way,who ever becomes a PM,it does not matter,right ? The most important thing is whether it’s malay or non-malay so long this person can deliver the goods to all malayians.

  139. #139 by melurian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:03 pm

    frankyapp : ask not what the nation can do for you but ask what you can do for the nation

    that’s right, that’s why we should vote and stand united behind bn coz it’s not bijan and aab for this country worsening but rakyat (and oppos too) to be blamed…

    thank you for the wonderful quote…

  140. #140 by melurian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 1:15 pm

    “Would Russia have a black president ? Would S Africa have a white president ?”

    russia had a georgian as president before (and they declare war against the country today)…..

    as for s africa, they used to have white until they being condemned by tunku and u.n alike, they think s africa is bad to have white as president and and better if it’s black. surprisingly, s africa during pre-apartheid is much competent – their univ produced nobel laureates and we watched “god must be crazy”. “white man burden” theory seems correct after all – just as we see today in chinaman or bumi or american company ….

  141. #141 by phoenixchoco on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 2:33 pm

    Don’t look at singapore as singaporeans are more united than us. This is because they go to the same schools. Only those who migrated there from Malaysia or Malaysians who work there do not see this good nation building.

    What about in Malaysia? We don’t.

    If we want to see our generations in the future are united and go to the same school, mingle around while they are still young, I would like to ask my fellow malaysian chinese and indians, isn’t it good to have only one education system?


  142. #142 by Yee Siew Wah on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:20 pm

    That sleepy flip flop lame duck guy is mumbling again. This time he mumbled that anyone from minority can become PM!!. What a joke la. As long as you have that bunch of racialistic, greedy and brainless bums running the country there is NO way, I repeat NO way that anyone from the minority group can even become DPM not to mention PM. PM from minority group, my foot.
    Just look at the PKNS CEO issue. They cant even accept a minority for a post in a GLC (mind you, only TEMPORARY), you folks think that they will accept anyone from a minority group to become a PM. The sun will rise from the west if it ever happen. Even a dumb dumb will know the answer.
    But just you wait, later he will not only flip flop on what he said, he will also deny he has said this. Actually I have been misquoted etc…. thousand and one reasons.
    I strongly recommend he start forming “empat se-kawan” clowns when he retires. You can bet, I will be the first one to patronise.
    Look, till todate what has been done for the country when he proudly promised before he step down. Only a couple of months left now. A BIG FAT ZERO.

  143. #143 by Yee Siew Wah on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:40 pm

    It is amazing that this Kissim amat guy is still living in a world of his own. Still has not wake up and face reality.
    Thats the problem with Malaysia to have bums like this telling the whole world like he is a great savior. But, sadly to know, he has only made a damn fool of himself but display downright stupidity and empty of ideas without a clue that everyone is now living in a globalise environment.
    Hey, “kissim” one more time, wake up and face reality la.

  144. #144 by monsterball on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 3:58 pm

    He is Malaysia’s Rip Van Winkle…sleep forever…dreaming UMNO will rule forever….with jungle tom tom beating…sexy girls serving him…like George of the Jungle.
    And boy oh boy..Najib RM7 billions goodies…many more from this…Peter Pan….and Dollah said…other races can be PM. I wonder will he say that…if McCain won US election.

  145. #145 by ctm999 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:14 pm

    I say we try it out with a Kadazan as Prime Minister first. A Kadazan is after all a Bumiputera. It just happen that he is not a Malay Bumiputera that’s all. The other Kitingan brother, the one in PKR should be a good candidate. Chosen by merit of course.

    After he have serve 2 terms then we can start considering an Indian or a Chinese for the PM post.

  146. #146 by monsterball on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:47 pm

    There is no trying..in managing lives and country. Choose the best…leaving race out..and if the best is still a Malay..why not??
    Lets not start talking races and be like UMNO.
    Maybe.. choose someone ..not involve in politics yet……but do love Malaysian and country..more than himself/herself.
    Qualification…..very intelligent..smart and sharp.
    Thousands available.
    Head hunters needed to hunt for the best…..not like UMNO…hunt for the worst….to make them look good and best.

  147. #147 by Loh on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 4:57 pm

    ///“It is possible for anyone from a minority group to be a nation’s leader, even in Malaysia. It is up to the people to decide just as the Americans had done through the democratic process”, PM AAB said in reply to a question from reporter at the parliament lobby yesterday while extending his congratulations to President –elect Obama. ///– The Star 6 November 2008

    Any person on the street can reply to that question quoting possibility, but when the question is asked of the Prime Minister, the citizens are interested to know a measure of probability that it would happen. In saying that it was up to the people through the democratic process, PM AAB intended to give the impression that government has no hand in influencing the people. In reality in promoting Malay supremacy concept through implementing NEP in the perverted manners, the government conditioned Malays into assuming that history owed them special privileges, rather than protection based on needs.

    PM AAB might not have realized that the leaders have the responsibility to lead the people to develop the proper mindset. It was bad to do nothing, but UMNO leaders did exactly the opposite. They molded its members to rely on UMNO and to be racists against other communities so that they would retain the power of government. In whitewashing the May 13 incidents, UMNO-led government introduced NEP as though the tragedy was a result of spontaneous outrage due to economic disparity between Malays and other ethnics groups. (Studies have shown that it as a pure power struggle among UMNO leaders, and the incident was orchestrated for a group to seize power. Tunku said that just tell me to quit, I would have gone.) So NEP was meant to honor the sense of jealousy implying therefore that the government considered it legitimate for the people to resort to terrorism so long as they felt they were economically deprived. When the NEP was allowed a free run for forty years, UMNO leaders threatened to unleash another May 13 if their excess demand was not met. So AAB was very sure that the concept of Malay supremacy will render the issue a possibility but not a probability.

    The Obama presidency created history in USA. A similar history was made in Malaysia in 1981 when the son of an Indian migrant who married a Malay woman in Malaya became Prime Minister of Malaysia. The son of the Indian man from India considered that he had been assimilated as Malay and he claimed himself Malay, whereas Obama is not assimilated and does not claim to be white like his mother. Obama’s election is hailed as proof that Americans transcend races. The son of the Indian migrant converted the party of race-based membership into racist when he took the helm. Forty years after Martin Luther King cried out his dream, Obama fulfills it. Forty years after the son of the Indian migrant wrote his ‘Malay dilemma’, Malaysians are awaiting a Martin Luther King ala Melayu to free the people from racial polarization.

  148. #148 by anak_malaysia on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 5:19 pm


    it is not try here and there. Managing a country is not a trial error practice. Can die wan ler…

    It is supposed for the best man that can do the job. What the BN practicing is leaders from the majority party will helm the top 2 position in the country. (I dun think UMNO will allow any representative from other parties to hold the position, as for now) be it if he is capable or not, good dreamer or not….etc

    Unless Malaysia adopt US style of election campaign where politician openly campaign for the presidency and debate to show who is the best. Let the rakyat be the judge. If not, there will be no changes in Malaysia

  149. #149 by monsterball on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 5:20 pm

    The way danagil writes and got cintanegara agreeing are two UMNO balls carriers…..playing their tunes here..in harmony.
    Danagil will tell you all those ridiculous nonsense….to prove how lucky we are being managed by UMNO.
    Then you get an idiot to support it…hoping to get voters to think like them.
    It’s like crooked salesmen…selling “miracle” water ..one sell…another pretend to be sick…got cured drinking it…and walla…suckers go buy them.
    This low class …style of changing minds..will not work …but I must comment..to make sure…it does not really work……….hahahahahaha

  150. #150 by bensonsee on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 5:29 pm

    kasim amat is racist. he thinks that he owns the land. without the chinese or the indians, he will be begging in the street. who is he to shut down the blog. he should go back to indonesia. that is where he comes from

  151. #151 by 2ndClassPeople on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 6:12 pm

    independent since 1957, swallowed sabah and sarawak in 1963, and after 45 years as a federation, we are still talking of supremacy of one race! how pathetic !

    bolehland is equivalent to bodohland, yes we can; change we can’t

    give it another 50 years and let’s take a look, boleh ?

  152. #152 by Godfather on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 6:34 pm

    They can sell their snake oil in the kampungs, but they can’t sell their snake oil to the rest of us. One fine day, even the kampung folks will stop buying their snake oil, and that day will be the day that UMNO gets consigned to the Opposition benches.

  153. #153 by alancheah on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 6:54 pm

    This country is totally HOPELESS, because there are
    so many of them still playing racial matters.

    I hope that there will be a BIG change, but really sorry
    to say that… I don’t think so! Even one day Pakatan
    Raykat takes over the Federal Govt., such thing will not
    happen in this country! Sad case!

  154. #154 by thinkwithanopenheart on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:01 pm

    I don’t care whether the PM is Malay, Chinese or India. I only care if the PM take care of all “Malaysians” health, education & economy. If he does he’s a good PM, if he don’t he should step down.

    Find out the core of the problem, settle in a peaceful way because we are “Malaysians”. By showing your skillfullness in silat or keris does not cure the problem. If you don’t have enough to eat, you don’t even have energy to kill me. If you want to spill your blood, please go to donate to those who need blood donation. The choice is much wiser than spilling your blood on the floor.

    I love Malaysia as my home and my country. I do not prefer to be homeless.

  155. #155 by thinkwithanopenheart on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:02 pm

    We still have hope to save the country if all races think with an open heart.

    No matter what your race is, we are still made of flesh and blood!

  156. #156 by bennylohstocks on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 8:21 pm

  157. #157 by stan09 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:08 pm

    Referring to Kasim Amat statement here, I want to give my reply and have some questions to Kasim Amat that I hope he will reply.

    “There is no question that PM in this country should only go to Malay under the laws in Malaysia.”
    Under which law in Malaysia that the PM post must go to Malay?

    “All I want to say is: Stop making sensitive racial remarks or else I will take action to cause this blog to be closed!”
    Is this a threat? Under what rule of law that you are allowed to threaten people

    “Please ask yourself this question: Will Singapore have a Malay PM?”
    The question here is, CAN and WILL. Though it’s not likely that Singapore WILL have a Malay to be PM due to Chinese being majority, but Malay CAN be the PM, provided he has the support of the citizens. In Malaysia, a non-Malay CAN’T be PM, and people are saying “PM in this country should only go to Malay”. This shows that Malaysians are still blinded by the skin colour, not by merit.

    “By asking such question, you have provoked a very sensitive issue in Malaysia which can lead to chaos. It is sufficient for you to be detained under ISA immediately! I urge Mr Lim to remove this posting immediately.”
    Seems like Mr Kasim is a ISA supporter. I urged every Malaysians to support the abolishment of ISA. Please put yourself into the position of the detainees and their family. If one day you are arrested, and you do not know when you will be released, how would you feel? How would your family feel? How are your family going to face the days to come?

    I’m not saying people should get away when they go against the law. If it is a crime, settle it in court please! Home Minister has no right to play god and decide who is guilty.

  158. #158 by melurian on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:13 pm

    common sense – obama can becomes president:

    1) he did not know how to speak kenyan and his mother tongue is anglais
    2) he went to church (???)
    3) he talks rhetorically like american

    whereas you can’t expect ngeh becomes mb and lks becomes pm coz:

    1) they eat with chopstick rather than hand
    2) they spoke hokkien or cantonese rather malay at home
    3) they even protest wearing songkok
    4) they din go to mosque, din pray on friday, and din puasa last 2 months
    5) their names are weird and hard to pronounce….

  159. #159 by Freelander on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:38 pm

    I think both cintanegara & kasim missed the whole point. I wonder if they had watch President-elect Obama’s acceptance speech. I did. I saw the American people, regardless of their skin colours, old & young cried openly when Obama was annouced the winner. More so when they stood there in mass to listen so tentivly to his speech. The American people were happy not because Barack Obama had won the Presidency, but they are happy in tears because the USA do not see / judge its citizens through the colour of their skins, not thru their race & not thru their religion, but she see them as Americans. They are so proud that to be Americans. This is truly patriotic. For cintanegara, I think you are only patriotic to your own race but not to this nation.

  160. #160 by pky103 on Thursday, 6 November 2008 - 10:43 pm

    It’s time UMNO shifted its old-Malaysian paradigm and not play silly racial cards like before.

  161. #161 by imranj78 on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 12:06 am

    I think you have made a very good point that I strongly agree with. Many people here talk about unity, non-racial biasness etc. but at the same time are hypocrites and unshamedly turn a blind eye to the fact that vernacular schools are one of the major reason why this unity cannot be achieved in the first place.

    If everyone in Malaysia goes to the same type of school, speak the same first language and tries to accustom itself to the culture of the majority, then I do not believe the majority would have any problem accepting someone from the minorities as a leader. But when you push for your own schools, puts BM as your second or third language etc., how can you then ask the Malays to accept you as their PM?

  162. #162 by jus legitimum on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 12:54 am

    Disunity among Malaysians is caused by unfair and unjust policies like dividing the people into bumi and non bumi besides NEP.On top of that practising racial discrimination in selecting civil servants,CEOs of GLCs,VCs of Universities etc,etc.National school or sekolah kebangsaan is the last choice by non Malay parents in sending their children for education.imranj78 must be talking through your nose when you said that the vernacular school treats BM as second or third language.All vernacular schools follow the syllabus set by the MOE and BM is compulsory.Why don’t you ask any of the 60,000 Malay parents in the country who send their children to study in SJK(Cina) now? Ask them why they prefer to send their children to study in chinese vernacular schools.It is mainly because they expect their children to know Mandarin and English besides BM.Many BN and opposition politicians were educated in Chinese vernacular schools including OKT,OKC,OTK,KTK,DrTan Seng Giaw from DAP and others.Many bloggers here are well versed in three languages and they too studied in vernacular schools.imranj 78 is ignorant and hypocritical and many Malays are also like you who just refuse to accept the true cause of disunity among the people and conveniently blame it on the vernacular schools.

  163. #163 by monsterball on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 1:14 am

    You mean….Or Kui Tow…Or Kar Chern…Or Tow Kui….Kui Tow Kia…….all so smart ar?
    Soooo cever studi englis..chinis…can talk nice bahasa.
    tis quali to be UMNO por lan par men?

  164. #164 by sans on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:47 am

    Cintanegara I respect your point of view and your attempt to start a dialogue. A few people have tried their best to query and of course there have been the usual infantile responses as well.

    On the issue of Singapore and Malaysia. Malaysia has organised its politics along racial/communal and religious lines. This is not so in Singapore. If you are talented and capable enough, you can rise within the PAP (or opposition parties which are mainly non-communal/religious) and maybe attain the highest office. There are no institutional barriers to someone doing that. Whether the electorate would be willing to vote for a non-majority person is up to them.

    The President of Singapore I believe is not form the majority ethnicity, nor is the foreign minister.

    In Malaysia the situation is not the same. The main political parties are segregated by race. But beyond that the State Mufti’s, Council of Rulers and other bodies are also organised around race/religion. Not to forget various other govt. bodies. So for someone to even aspire for this, they will have to go through all this barriers. In Singapore it is a possibility. In Malaysia, at the moment it is not. That is a big difference.

    Why should our children not dream that they can achieve anything? even the highest office of the land?

    How are we to harness the best of our abilities and face the world when possibilities are cut from some?

    We need to think criticially. Is the NEP effective? I don’t think so. It needs to be reorganised . The NEP has failed. It needs to be examined and new strategies need to be developed to target the right people. Simply giving shares and contracts to UMNO-linked people will not do anymore, nor handing out scholarship suddenly create a middle class out of thin air. It should not be used by as a bogeyman by anyone, either BN or the opposition. Personally the opposition really needs to talk about how the NEP is going to be reformed/improved so that it benefits those that it is mean to help including our poorer brother and sisters

    On schools well I am against vernacular schools. Schools should be where our young mingle. Instead there is a cleavage by ethicity. It is ridiculous that the 3 largest ethnic groups go to to segregated (relatively) schools! ( I know many will disagree but I know that for many friends I am the only non whatever ethnicity they are friend they have)

    Unfortunately the govt. has failed to make sekolah kebangsaan’s attractive enough for most parents. Parents rightly worried about their children’s education, dare not entrust them to the national curriculum or to the teachers in charge of them.

    BM should certainly be promoted since I believe it is a part of our Malaysian heritage and identity (I noticed Kit Siang has improved his command of BM). The quality of Malay literature is very worrying, So is the quality of writing of some of the Malay vernacular papers.

    I hope one day national schools will be attractive enough and have sufficient breadth of subjects (i.e. languages) to entice and have the confidence of everyone in Malaysia. Unfortunately that day is not today.


  165. #165 by sans on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:49 am

    P.S – We should be reaching out to each other, not beating each other down

  166. #166 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 8:23 am

    /// # cintanegara Says:
    November 5th, 2008 (2 days ago) at 20: 47.11
    minority races never hold any ’senior’ position in the Military etc. ///

    cintanegara – that is a blatant lie and you know it. There are many Indians, Europeans and Eurasians in top positions and generals in Singapore’s military, civil service, professionals, bankers, etc.

    /// I don’t blame Singapore government for practising this as Chinese is the majority. Being the majority in Malaysia, ts it fair for Malays to let go the top position to other races? Pls think rasionaly…. ///

    No, Singapore does not promote people on the basis of being the majority race. In case you didn’t notice, and insist on wearing your blinkers, the top job of the land, the head of state, is an Indian.

  167. #167 by abunsui on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 8:38 am

    As long as you got the peoples’ Majority VOTE and Agong’s CONSENT – you can be PM irrespective of RACE and RELIGION.

  168. #168 by cintanegara on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 8:50 am

    Yes, there are many Indians, Europeans etc in the top position but malay names are hardly found. Are they not good or not fit to hold that position? If people like Dr Yaacob was not capable, than who else? Even, Dr Ahmad Mattar never got a senior post while serving in the government. Maybe, LKS is right…it’s all about skin colour

  169. #169 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 9:39 am

    cintanegara – you are spineless and shifting your position. You said minority. Indians are even more of a minority than Malays in Singapore. Why must it be Malay names? Yes, why are they hardly found? There are tens of thousands of people more capable than Dr Yaacob or Ahmad Mattar in Singapore.

    The answer is simple. If you think that Malays in Singapore ought to be appointed, regardless of their merit and ability, as is the case in Malaysia, then there is really nothing to discuss.

    So, President Nathan’s skin colour got him the job?

  170. #170 by cintanegara on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 10:07 am

    People like Dr Yaacob deserves and must be given a high position in the government. It is kind of embarrasing people at his par in charge of Environment and Water Resources/Muslim Affairs. Looking at his background who is expert in structural engineering, it is more appropriate if he could serve ministries like Transport or be DPM for that country. In Malaysia, the Government are more transparent and they even allow Chinese to fly the Sukhoi.

  171. #171 by monsterball on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 10:08 am

    scan..we will beat the daylight out of those against change of government…non stop….till election day.
    Najib gave RM 7 billion to capture votes.
    We will do better…using TRUTHS and FACTS.
    So ..declare you are joining us….don’t sit on the fence.

  172. #172 by comejoinus on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 10:38 am

    I am a Singaporean Chinese, and I look across the causeway and see so much discrimination against the minorities in Malaysia. I see the NEP, the Bumiputra-first policy and wonder why don’t the minorities ie Chinese or Indians make the move down south? Here at least everything is determined by your unique capabilities and not your skin colour. You have access to the region’s best universities, high schools, government subsidized housing for everyone.

    So if you think you are being unfairly discriminated against in your own country, think about making a move where you will be judged solely upon your own capabilities.

  173. #173 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 11:06 am

    /// People like Dr Yaacob deserves and must be given a high position in the government. It is kind of embarrasing people at his par in charge of Environment and Water Resources/Muslim Affairs. Looking at his background who is expert in structural engineering, it is more appropriate if he could serve ministries like Transport or be DPM for that country. ///

    Hello, there are tons of Structural Engineers in Singapore. Google Raymond Lim, the current Transport Minister and tell me who is the better person.

    /// In Malaysia, the Government are more transparent and they even allow Chinese to fly the Sukhoi. ///

    Transparent. Do you know what is the meaning of “making a virtue out of necessity?” I dare say that is because the Chinese is the most appropriate and well trained to fly the Sukhoi. Do you want the Malays to fly them just because of Ketunan Melayu and risk your expensive Sukhoi falling out of the sky like flies, like those idiots flying your flying coffins, otherwise known as Nuris?

    It is very easy to cry discrimination when you know in your heart that you didn’t get the job because there are tens of thousands of people better than you, regardless of skin colour.

  174. #174 by Godfather on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 11:43 am


    Please ask your government to take over Johor (via the Iskandar back door) and we will all move down to be your neighbours, send our children to your schools and universities.

  175. #175 by AhPek on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 12:01 pm

    I am surprised how come cintanegara never read the statistics i’ve provided when I addressed him yesterday at 01:01.39 where I stated the figure in the breakdown of Singapore’s ethnic population:Chinese 75.2%,Malays 13.6%,Indians 8.8% and others 2.4%.What is most important is not whether the PM or President comes from which ethnic group,what is most important is that in all the national activities be it private or public all the minority groups are well represented.Even in the top government echelon posts Indians hold an unsually high proportion of the posts(Indians have held the DPM post,the foreign minister post,the president post,the education minister post), and how come being the smallest of the 3 groups? The Chinese could have given them nothing for they have such massive majority 75.2% of the population! The answer is meritocracy is practised,not racialism like in Malaysia with Malays dominating practically everything in the public sector and they have only a simple majority over the rest of the minority groups,only 53.3%. Look at the hue and cry created when Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim appointed Low Siew Mooi as acting general manager of PKNS,objections based on the grounds that this is an infringement of Malay rights! The fact of the matter is PKNS is Selangor State Development Corporation,a government organisation funded by taxpayers (and 90% of taxes come from non Malays) and why a non Malay cannot head such an organisation?Look at the House when YB Lim asked can Malaysia have a Kadazan as PM or an Indian or an Iban or a Chinese,the vehement protestations and irrationalities coming out of these UMNOPUTRAS is simply unbelievable.And look at yourself you even accused LKS of wanting the PM just by his asking the question in the House! And look at Kassim Amat’s response to YB’s poser: he said that this question should not be asked in public for Malaysia rightfully belongs to the Malays and look at response from Danagil when I rebutted Kassim by saying that this land belongs to the indigeneous people for they are the first people in this land.He asked whether I expect the the current government to give the PM post to an orang asli which like what TheWrathofGrapes mentioned is changing the goal post which apparently is one of the methods of UMNOPUTRAS when responding to difficult question.However for the sake of answering Danagil,I don’t expect an orang asli to become PM in the near future (for there is no one currently in sight yet) but should there be one and if he proves to be capable in moving Malaysia forward I’ll be rooting for him for a 2nd term.As for his insinuations (I don’t know where he got this impression,perhaps from mamak) that indigeneous would not make it to the top post in places like Australia,US or New zealand,he is dead wrong for indigeneous people there are much better treated than than our Senois,Negritoes,Kadazans,Penans or the Bedayuhs.And I’ve a story to tell you how enlightened Aussies are with their sense of fair play.In Melbourne the first elected Mayor of Melbourne John Chun Sai So is a Hong Kong born Chinese, mind you elected (Chinese population in Melbourne 5.1%) and he is said to be the most popular Mayor of Melbourne whose English is so heavily accented that Australians could hardly understand him.In fact I’ve been told that at the opening of 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, John Chun Sai So stood on stage to say \Welcome\ to the Queen and handed over the mike to his secretary to read his opening address at the GAMES.He was elected with a huge majority for a 2nd term and the most important thing Aussies care about is his ability.During his stewardship Melbourne was voted twice as the World’s most livible city!

  176. #176 by cintanegara on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 12:51 pm

    As a Malaysian we must show our patriotism and devotion to our country. Why encourage others to take over our sovereignty?

  177. #177 by badbad on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 12:55 pm

    godfather: put me in the club.

    cintanegara : if i were to be you. I wont be visiting this site anymore, turn off my goverment paid computer. and hide under the rumah papan where most likely where you came from.
    if malaysia has the right people, those who are willing to speak up to change. i would see the future generation as THE generation that allows a man to be their leader, just because he can be a great leader.

  178. #178 by oedipus on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 1:51 pm

    we are malaysians and we love this country. those malaysians who work in singapore many also reject singaporean citizenship because they are still very much in love with malaysia (even though they take up PR)

    dear cintanegara, when the country is weak, we will be taken over economically or politically. they way you line your arguments, we are heading into neo-colonisation!

    we must rise above skin colour and rise above ourselves for Malaysia!

  179. #179 by bennylohstocks on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 2:02 pm

  180. #180 by cintanegara on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 3:00 pm

    Thanks oedipus for sharing your generous thought. Though there may be differences in opinion between bloggers, encouraging others to take over our sovereignty is extermly irresponsible.

  181. #181 by Kelvenho on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 3:10 pm

    As we are Malaysian, I do not see any problem if any qualified person
    who is capable, intelligent, loving and caring among our races be the
    Prime Minister one day. As long as that person take care of the welfare of the underprivileged and poor people in Malaysia. He should
    be clean, not corrupt and high integrity. That person can be from any
    minor political parties in our country.

  182. #182 by Elrond on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 3:37 pm

    I think the question of whether a Non-bumi will ever become PM is largely acedemic because I am of the opinion that it will never happen. Zaid Ibrahim was correct in saying that the Malays will never be undermined politically because of their numerical superiority. And in democracies, the majority rules.

    We are different from the USA in that our society is very polarised in terms of race, culture, language and religion. So in all there are four stumbling blocks working against integration. In America, arguably only race is the major divisive factor. That’s why it was possible for an African American to become president in a Caucasian dominated country. It was meritocracy at work. Very simply, the better man won.

    Prior to and soon after Merdeka, the races were somewhat divided according to economic functions. The Malays were predominantly involved in the civil service and farming, Chinese were business people and the Indians were plantation workers. These are just generalisations because there certainly were Malay/Indian business people and Chinese farmers. The Chinese were drawn to business because this is what their forebears used to do before they came to Malaya and the know-how was passed along. Indians were traditionally employed by the British in plantations in India. Malays were traditionally involved in agriculture as it was naturally the most accessible means to earn a living.

    Imagine for a moment…all other factors being equal and every race was left to their own devices. In time the Chinese would gain ascedency in business and that is exactly what happened. Discontentment festered and this resulted in the May 13 incident. So along came the NEP to eliminate the identification of race based on economic function.

    The original intent of the NEP was very practical. I would even say that it was the right policy for the times. However, as with most policies, the implementation left much to be desired. It eventually became an instrument of abuse and corruption by the powers that be. The object of course was power and enrichment. Today, it has has evolved to become a tool of oppression and marginalisation. It deprives the non-bumis of a portion of the reward for their honest day’s work. In short, for every ringgit that he earns, part of it is funnelled to subsidize the expenses of his neighbour who might not necessarily be as hard working or as deserving as he is. Perhaps this as a form of rental paid to the landlord for the privilege of staying in his house? I cannot conceive of any democratic country in the world where this kind of arrangement is practiced, save for a few Banana Republics where despotism and tyranny are the order of the day.

    While the whole world marches forward to embrace globalisation and modernity, Malaysia is taking baby steps backwards into a dark age. If the NEP is to continue, in time we will gradually erode in competitiveness and standing and be associated with the other pariah states of the world like North Korea and Zimbabwe.

  183. #183 by ryan123 on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:03 pm


    so, your view is that ethnic minorities are being “mistreated” or the singled-out ethnic group? as simple as that. your narrow thinking is the one causing racism here.

    Skin colour and religion should be the last to consider when selecting the capable ones. But it seems like here, skin colour and religion is the first criteria to be considered. So, do you think this is rational?

  184. #184 by born_malaysian on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:21 pm

    cintanegara is a successful product of Mahathir’s gradual Islamization.. one of Mahathir’s speeches……………..

    “Nowadays, malays no longer feels that malaya is their home.. since they are not malaysian malays.. who need to share their country with other people.. where are the rights of the rightful owners of this country? the malays deserve more in their homeland..”

    And there goes the implementation of NEP.. well.. we cannot blame cintanegara for his commited defence over the racial issue.. because he is raised and taught that way since young.. who would not defend that way? but I would put the blame on the past leaders instead because its them who instilled this sort of malay nationalism in order to protect themselves rather than the public..

    Btw, I read one of the posts that were ignored by Dr.Schewizt.. saying that University of Malaya has very low quality ratings now compared to 40 years ago and that their VC does not even possess a PHD.. If this is a sign of Malaysia improving itself and reinventing itself and more importantly, does not require a change.. then what more can others say? what more can I say?

  185. #185 by OrangRojak on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:31 pm

    I’m not convinced by this ‘irresponsibility’ where a transfer of sovereignty is concerned. Where did the “Si” in MalaySIa come from? Was that irresponsibility on the part of the Singaporeans? Did it really go so badly for the Texans? Or Poland?

    Come on, would being part of SingMApore be so bad? Sovereignty isn’t a timeless absolute, it shifts with the will of the people.

    I think I’ve exceeded my limit for potentially actionable comments today, so I’d like to point out that I’m just ‘playing’ with ideas. The comments are purely for entertainment or to keep the discussion going. I have no wish to be Joan of Arc. Or John.

  186. #186 by oedipus on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 4:54 pm

    exactly cintanegara!!! remember who ‘sold’ part of johor to the singaporeans under the guise of IDR? if our economy is in good stead, it should be like temasek of singapore, buying into other countries’ potential and also assets. in the reverse, after 51 years of rule, the BN government is ‘selling; our country en-bloc because of flawed policy and corruption….. padahal kita yang lebih resources!!! what a joke!

    when our current ‘leaders’ are robbing our country of her riches and keeping the ppl in line with the race and religion card, it provides a perfect phasad for national plundering!

    enough is enough! lets look beyond skin colour and religion and judge a person by merits and points. but can we?

  187. #187 by cintanegara on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 5:11 pm

    TheWrathOfGrapes – For your kind information, majority of Sukhoi pilot in Malaysia Air Force is not Chinese. I believe non of the Malays in Singapore had a chance to fly the F16…

  188. #188 by phoenixchoco on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 5:12 pm

    Mr Lim Kit Siang,

    I voted for DAP. Although I am not of the Malaysia’s chinese ethnic origin but all I wanted to see is UNITY. . Do you like watching people of Malaysia here fighting among each other in your blog? Is this your actual intention? While you could be smiling away sipping your coffee?

    Then you are not the leader that we have been looking for.


  189. #189 by oedipus on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 6:29 pm

    phoenixhoco, you must be able to differentiate a discussion from an all out brawl. what we are doing here is to giving ones’ opinion while respecting each others’ point of view.

    if constructive critique and discussion is not to your liking… well to bad!

    btw i voted PAS for the first time in my life, and i NEVER regretted it once after the election! its YOUR vote, dont blame others for YOUR decision. be more responsible.

  190. #190 by ReformMalaysia on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 7:01 pm

    ‘Can a Chinese, Indian, Kadazan, Iban, Orang asli, Penan become Prime Minister of Malaysia?’

    ,,,,As long as UMNO the barbarians still in power, it will never happen.

    To make it happen, first UMNO must be removed

  191. #191 by imranj78 on Friday, 7 November 2008 - 9:37 pm

    jus legitimum, you said:
    `imranj78 must be talking through your nose when you said that the vernacular school treats BM as second or third language.’
    Do you mean the vernacular schools treat BM as their first language? Is that what you mean? You must be kidding me. It is you who are talking through your nose! Mind you my previous post is not about the choice of language in school but by the general non-Bumi population in Malaysia as a whole.

    I stand by my position that vernacular schools are one of the main reasons of disunity in this country. Can you confidently say that when NEP is removed that all the races will be united even when we are educated and conditioned in different type of schools? You must be a very ignorant person if you answer yes. I am not saying that the improper implementation of NEP is not causing any unhappiness, but it is a small cause of disunity compared to the segmented education system we have!

    And many non-Bumis like you are so blinded, ignorant and hypocritical when you fault NEP for causing disunity when on the other hand you blindly support the vernacular schools!!!

  192. #192 by AhPek on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 12:04 am

    The main contributing reason for disunity is the UMNOPUTRAs,imranj78, whose devious method is devising “Ketuanan Melayu” to enrich themselves spewing racist poison to the simple kampung folks so as to ensure political dominance to continue raping this land.National life is dominated by one race with hardly any participation in government civil service from other groups.NEP and affirmative action are made race-based and not needs based.
    Whilst in principle it is true that children should all go to national schools so that they mix early in life but in true fact the schools are not acting as national schools should.Children are told not to bring packed lunch for it may not be halal,lion dance is banned during Chinese New Year period,school girls must not go in swim suitsto swim,either no teacher available to teach mother tongue subject or if available not well trained and prayers during school assembly led in Islamic way.All these put off a lot of parents who are not of Islamic religion.Again why this is happening in national schools one may ask.The answer is of course affirmative action for the teachers’ training colleges are churning out predominating number of teachers of one race and therefore we’ve school administrators and headmasters predominantly one one race (I’ii say at least 85%) administering the schools resulting in some overzealous Muslim headmasters trying to run the school according to their beliefs.THAT my friend is one of the big problems in our national schools.Not just simplistically as stated by you that vernacular school is the main cause of disunity.

  193. #193 by trublumsian on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 4:35 am

    cintanegara, you said “In Malaysia, the Government are more transparent and they EVEN allow Chinese to fly the Sukhoi.”

    there, you said it. we malays let you fly a sukhoi once in a while because we’re nice, not because you’re most qualified! btw, we’re not thanking you for your tax dollars paying for our toys!

    speaking of sukhoi, those are b-grade machines. don’t be so proud. ur uncles in umno only get to buy these because they can be had much easier by regimes with shady dealings. like the eurocopters.

    please cintanegara, don’t flatter your kind thinking Yaacob, with his engr. degree deserves to be a head honcho. o wait, yeah, that IS a BIG deal for your kind. in that case, bravo! good job!


    and the thing about sovereignty, that was satirical speak for goodness sakes!

  194. #194 by trublumsian on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 5:07 am


    vernacular school is the cause of disunity??

    the secondary school i went to had 50% chinese, 30% malays, and 20% indians. it was public and it was named after a saint. each grade has about 10 classes, ranked, with each an avg of 35 students. guess which race perpetually made up the numbers in the last 4 classes of each grade level?? bingo.

    in my 3 years there, i saw the students segregated themselves based on their skin color, perhaps it was as much to do with the perceived “smartness” of themselves? btw, the teachers did their own segregation..

    that was in the early 90s. the school graduated many who later became doctors, lawyers, educators, and successful corporate people both in and outside of malaysia. the school today has a malay name, and has twice as many malay teachers and 80% of the students.


  195. #195 by oedipus on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 9:30 am

    i agree with imranj78 that vernacular schools does segregate our children from a young age. it is a issue that we cant seem to get around for a long time.

    i personally feel that we do not have to abolish these vernacular schools, but instead we have to improve the standard and quality of the Kebangsaan school. once the standard (perceived or otherwise) of the kebangsaan schools are higher than the rest, automatically the parents will flock to the kebangsaan school thus rendering the vernacular school less attractive.

    but the question is, can the kebangsaan school be revamped and do we have the political muscle to revamp it? seems to me, that the kebangsaan schools have more problems in terms of quality of teachers, truancy amongst students and also red tape.

    it all boils down to the self sacrifice of everybody for the good of the country.

  196. #196 by ladyof.liberty on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 11:35 am

    nothing is important….

  197. #197 by ladyof.liberty on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 11:38 am

    sk/ smk – quality of education is like shit. teachers get student to teach in front….. what type of pedagogy approach is that!

  198. #198 by ladyof.liberty on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 11:40 am

    education already policitised …. hard to revamp….

  199. #199 by imranj78 on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 4:40 pm

    I am not saying that the national schools are perfect. They is a lot of room for improvement and this is something which needs to be addressed. But the government has to have a long term strategy for our education system and in my view this has several key steps. Firstly, strengthen national type schools and ensure mother tongue education is provided in all schools where there is demand for it. Address and resolve all true or perceived weaknesses of national type schools.

    Once the level of national type schools have been strengthened, slowly encourage conversion of vernacular type schools to national type schools within a set timeframe. Many of us here should support this move as it is inline with the concept of Malaysian Malaysia (like DAP espouses). If we only talk but are not willing to make this bold move, then we are indeed hypocrites!

    Once we all get educated in the same system, only then can we all call ourselves united and achieve true unity!

  200. #200 by oedipus on Saturday, 8 November 2008 - 5:04 pm

    well said imranj78! but dont forget the sekolah agamas, as a complete overhaul of the education system will definately involve the sekolah agama spead across our country!

    all education must be within our national schools!!

  201. #201 by imranj78 on Sunday, 9 November 2008 - 4:18 pm

    Principally I agree that there has to be a common education system for all that encompasses the religious schools. However, inclusion of the sekolah agama rakyat has one major drawback, it would result in an increasing `islamization’ of national schools which would not be agreeable to non-Muslims hence this has to be closely studied.

    I tend to believe that the solution to the sekolah agama rakyat has to be studied further. The vernacular schools and the national schools has one thing in common – in general the curriculum taught are more or less the same. Sekolah Agama Rakyats have a totally different curriculum hence some might say that it is best to leave this as a separate school `stream’. This is similar to the current strategy in which we have the separate sekolah menengah tekniks as they have a different curriculum then the rest of the national schools.

  202. #202 by AhPek on Sunday, 9 November 2008 - 6:58 pm

    As long as UMNO is around nothing good is possible in this country.As is mentioned earlier they are the main cause of disunity in this country.The first step and fundamental step towards rejuvenation then is to throw UMNO out.Then the process of renewal of our school system will be given a chance to see the light at the end of the tunnel.Until such time nothing is possible.

  203. #203 by kapcai72 on Sunday, 9 November 2008 - 7:49 pm

    Tidak salah jika kita memiliki seorang PM berketurunan Cina, India, Melayu, Kadazan, Iban, Mamak, etc. Hatta keturunan Jepun pun saya terima, ASALKAN PM itu mesti beragama ISLAM, elok moralnya, baik budi pekerti dan beriman kepada ALLAH.

    Kalau dia Melayu sekalipun tetapi tidak mengucapkan dua kalimah syahadah maka SAYA AKAN TOLAK tak kira lah dia calon parti PAS, UMNO, MIC, DAP, MCA, PKR, etc.

    Saya bersetuju dengan konsep satu sekolah. No more SRA, Sekolah Cina, Tamil, etc. etc. Sepatutnya semua elemen yang wujud didalam sistem persekolahan yang ada sekarang diseragamkan dan dikumpulkan didalam satu sistem persekolahan yang jitu dan dapat melahirkan rakyat malaysia yang bersatu padu dan bersedia mengorbankan dirinya untuk negara.

  204. #204 by chengho on Monday, 10 November 2008 - 8:13 am

    BG Lee of singapore very clear on this issue ‘ Only Chinese for PM for Now , to reach a position where everbody is totally race-blind and religion-blind ,i think that’s very difficult ‘

  205. #205 by AhPek on Monday, 10 November 2008 - 8:48 am

    I think I won’t be wrong to state that nowhere else in the world can you find a heterogeneos nation with such an overwhelming majority in a single ethnic group like what you find in Singapore (Chinese 75.2% of population).In America the English or the Irish or the French or the Germans or the Spaniards and in fact none of the other groups come even anywhere near to Singapore’s Chinese population.Thus in fact BG Lee is not making a racialist statement neither is he making a declaration of a preference.He is merely stating the reality of the Singapore situation when he states that “Only Chinese for PM for Now……………”.He is not stating that Malay or Indian or Euracian cannot be PM,unlike in Malaysia where they state that a Chinese cannot be even an acting general manager in a government organisation such as PKNS.That’s the main difference between a racist government and a non racist government.

  206. #206 by oedipus on Monday, 10 November 2008 - 10:41 am

    but guys, to revamp and reconcile our vernacular schools and kebangsaan school will never see the lite of day under the current ruling coalition. why? because they have to many ‘vested’ interest to allow proper governance and educators to do their job.

    fact: vernacular schools can never be closed.

    factr: however we can make kebangsaan school more attractive than vernacular schools ie better educators, management, facilities and a more competitive syllabi. take away skin colour and religion, let the best educator educate our children. let the best and competitive education system mold our children to their best potential!

    question is: does the government REALLY wants critical thinking young adults (the future of Maklaysia) or they prefer drones that will do what is told, believe what is spoken and incapable to realise their full potential?

    that is the reason i think why our education system produces large batches or drones all lacking inner depth and actualization. just ask your child he/she wants to score all A’s, or do he/she learn because he/she enjoys learning?

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