PM is still Ok.. He has three things going for him.

1. DSAI’s apparernt ineptitutde to organise a coup. Up to now only Yong Teck Lee/SAPP rebelled – there’s no en masse defections. I doubt DSAI co-ordinated or strategized with top leaders of DAP/PAS. And he has been leaking out his plans way ahead of time – what for??? And then he gets characters like Yong Teck Lee (hardly that politically popular or credible) to start the ball rolling. What a joke Yong couldn’t even get the entire SAPP to rally around him.. Instead he gets condescended to by BN Supreme Council that decided it was not worth the while to even sack SAPP for now! As Sheriff said, other component parties and to be defectors are mainly thinking of positions and the largese they bring (the gravy train) – so their main calculation is not just that UMNO/BN imploding with factionalim and self doubts but whether DSAI has the verve and ability to rally other forces to decisively and overwhelmingly win when it comnes to the crunch. So far the signs are not there.Weakness on DSAI’s part in planning and organisation of such a “coup” does not help especially if it is felt that Yong Teck Lee/SAPP are persuaded to come out open and then strung out and left to dry without others supposedly having stitiched deals with DSAI, joining in..

2. His enemies/dissidents within UMNO/BN – whether they will join in with Opposition to vote against him.. Now I am sure they would had it been (say) an internal UMNO contest betwen Ku Li & him but it is not the case of Parliament. In Parliament a vote of no confidence if carried implies not just the PM should leave but the entire cabinet/government – which means the gravy train stops! So why would his enemies/dissidents within UMNO/BN help DSAI on Monday – unless significant numbers of them (and of crucial importance the Speaker) already had prior arangements with DSAI. That is posible but most unlikely. Why Speaker? Reason : He rules on whether motion may be allowed to be heard whether Standing Orders rules 18(1) or 27!

In this kind of uprising, time is of the essence, and procedure-wise, there is standing Order rule 27 by which motion, if allowed, may be heard 14 days later, and the other an emergency motion under Standing Orders rule 18(1) requiring only 1 day notice provided it satisfies three criteria — it has to be a definite matter, urgent and of public interest. Now that one day notice if not given on Thurday 19th June is already out of time for such motion (if allowed by Speaker) to be heard on Monday 23rd June! Now one may ask what is so important about Monday , if one cannot make it, then there are still the following Wednesday or even Friday? That is however not the point! We’ve got a group ‘brave’ dissidents in Yong/SAP who talked about a motion of no confidence on PM specifically on Monday. Nobody asks them to specify Monday. They did it on their own accord as if all plans are in place. And then no show on Monday! Where is the credibility when they cannot even deliver the date that they specified? Or that they showed lack of knowledge of standing orders? The “to be defectors” would shirk from throwing in their lot with a bunch of amateurs aspiring big dreams of a “coup” who don’t know what they’re talking about or doing, and whose date(s) for taking over government by cross overs & defections keep on shifting & changing! Whole thing may fizzle out if nothing happens to show that it could happen on September 16 as DSAI said.

The whole thing has a ring of incredulity. If I were a plotter to take over the government I certainly will not declare months ahead to my opponent the time and date I would depose him, thus giving him time to take preemptive and other actions against me. This does not make sense : you surprise your enemy and catch him off balance – you don’t tell him in advance which date you will be surprising him and catching him unaware because he is no more surprised and indeed waiting for you to surprise you then instead!

“….Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat wouldn’t have said the action by SAPP was an “act of back-stabbing…”

Repeat Post “If you want a saint, you won’t find one in politics” – Godfather.

If extended further, there being no measuring cast of a difference in principles between PR’s defacto head and his boys, what’s the reason to attack incessantly Pak Lah and his?

Is this ‘one man’ show?

Reference to Godfather’s remarks, I don’t know on basis it could be said that my comments are ‘postulations’ of negative slant, as the term is understood, ie asserting a claim or making an argument based on nothing but likely personal antipathy towards DSAI. There is nothing personal here. I’ve got nothing against him. The criticisms are based on what I – rightly or wrongly – interpret is the inevitable conclusion based on the events that have so far unfolded, whether one chooses to acknowledge them or not.

Neither did I say he was a ‘ dictator’ by question “Is PR a one-man show?”

When someone who is defacto head of an opposition coalition acting concert with Sabah politicians launches an ambitious project to start a change of government about which his partners within the coalition knew not much (see the comments of Nik Aziz, Guan Eng & Kit which are running counter to the smooth operation of the plan of the Sabahan politicians acting in concert), what do you call the ‘brains’ behind such an ambitious operation – dictator or fool, when your own people (top leaders of Pakatan Rakyat), not being privy to plans, express surprise and by their comments are shooting at and not openly supporting your plans or the plans of your Sabah operatives???

As I said, events as they unfold may prove me wrong – that he might well turn out to be a consummate operator – that remains to be seen – but based strictly on what has happened thus far, I think it is amateurish. (That’s just my personal opinion, as it occurs to me, and I have not made a claim that it is irrefutable truth that you must believe).

However an opinion based on one’s interpretation of facts (whether interpretation is right or wrong) is no basis for Godfather to suspect or impute personal bias or antipathy or hidden agendas – his posting Today at 15: 47.33 (2 hours ago refers when he said “when the postulations take a negative slant on almost all issues regarding Anwar, then I can’t help but be suspicious about the motives of the people making those postulations”.

Godfather has such a visceral antipathy towards BN and all in it that he is prepared to (1) gloss over the limitations, errors, wrong doings, whether committed by Anwar or PAS as long as they are against the BN and (2) criticize and oppose any one for anything, no matter how true, as long as it is perceived as undermining or running counter against any effort to dislodge the BN!

I humbly submit that such a benchmark set in looking at any issue is a true reflection of real selective and personal bias.

Because the benchmark of such an approach is always let the BN be damned and there is no price that is not worth paying, no truth that is not worth sidelining as long as the BN is damned and even if the truth should conflict with the damning of BN and den of thieves, then the latter must still prevail over truth, which is not as important as the imperative of the former. I regret that I don’t share such an approach.

Nothing wrong with being anti BN : who is not??? But extreme antipathy should not cloud objectivity to the extent that we are screwed the other way by the other side aligned against the BN eg what PAS trying to do, and Anwar’s shortcomings in certain respects, which I have said in earlier posting. I have absolutely nothing against Anwar and no motives in the comments made except they are based on developments as happening up to today known to me.

Repost: there is nothing wrong with being anti-BN : who is not??? But let not extreme antipathy against BN compromise objectivity in acknowledging wrong doings of those opposed to BN and whom we depend on opposing BN, for example, what PAS is trying to do in Selangor and PR’s MB Khalid is mediating with the Sultan or the less than effective way Anwar has so far launched the first salvos (through his Sabahan collaborators) to change the government that many here are pinning their hopes that it would be successful after all the early promises by him.

Yes, but if you must quote then do so presenting the proper context so that the true meaning of what is said is divined and njot misconstrued . I was talking in the other thread about PAS and it having four advantages going for it, the first being “its state of preparedness and better organisational skills – including organising demonstrations” and amongst others, the third being what you quoted. I was speaking of what I thought was PAS’s possible calculations, deliberations and projections that give the party the strength to persevere its agenda, notwithstanding its privy to PR’s manifesto, which saying what PAS is calculating on is a far cry from saying that I agree or am calculating that DSAI is a chameleon, that based on his Islamic credentials past links with ABIM, he would definitely, when the crunch comes, side with PAS against DAP when it comes to the crunch for the PM’s position. Please read the context it is said (in relation to PAS) excluding which, when you pick a quote like that in isolation to what went before and after, it gives an unfair impression that I say this of DSAI deliberately. But then again perhaps that is your intention..

Dear kingkenny,

Did I say BN fellas do not mismanage funds? Do I say it is wrong any “extreme antipathy” towards BN? I only said, don’t just because of “extreme antipathy” towards BN, which by itself is nothing wrong, we slide over to a pathological state to gloss over , excuse and forget the wrongs that those opposed to BN do.

Did I say you were bashing BN based on untruths?

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Have I ever said you were bashing BN based on untruths?

Is saying (1) gloss over the limitations, errors, wrong doings, whether committed by Anwar or PAS as long as they are against the BN and (2) criticize and oppose any one for anything, no matter how true, as long as it is perceived as undermining or running counter against any effort to dislodge the BN – the same as you bash BN based on untruths??? How did you make that quantum leap from one to the other ending up putting words in my mouth ???

examples of where I (or other anti-BN people) have “glossed over”, “excused” or “forget” the wrongs that those opposed to BN do?? I thought the whole argument is about that, its replete all over the place, self explanatory eg downplaying significance of PAS initiatives in Selangor as “much ado about nothing” and criticising my criticisms of DSAI in relation to the plan to change govt using this mention of no confidence vote by Yong/SAPP about which his partners also criticise.

Now don’t get me wrong that you are not entitled to refute my criticisms of DSAI. I don’t have the monopoly of the truth and could be wrong and you can question and point based on facts where in my anaysis I went wrong. But that you did not do, but instead question why I am having negative slant, as if I have made bare faced assertions not based on any fact, and further in the process imputing motives.

I think you have to figure it out yourself. I have said enough for the day. :)

You can’t say it is not (what’s the word?) – “abbreviated”.

Alas Wang Yen, I have long come to recognise that logic/objectivity and emotions can’t mix. Then again that is trite.

a reference to a commenter’s alma mater “Cambridge” is personal and does nothing to prove your point or refute the other – what to borrow Undergrad 2’s “abbreviated” expression – ‘a cheap shot’ in context of an argument.

//the welfare of the People is first and foremost// – Kingkenny.
Correct, correct, correct! :) Not interest of BN’s politicians – or even some of PR’s!