ISA detention of Hindraf five most deplorable
The invocation of the Internal Security Act (ISA) to arrest five Hindraf leaders is most deplorable and marks another violation of the pledge by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi to promote democracy, uphold human rights and defend the rule of law.
This is because the infamous detention-without-trial Internal Security Act is the very antithesis of the rule of law.
The five detained under the ISA are P. Uthayakumar, M Manoharan, R Kenghadharan, V Ganabatirau and T Vasanthakumar.
If the government has clear and convincing evidence that the five had committed grave offences, they should be charged in court allowing them an open trial and an opportunity to defend themselves instead of being incarcerated under a regime where proof is not necessary at all.
The return of the ISA is another regression of Malaysia to the dark era of human rights violations which can only tarnish the country’s international reputation and image.
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 46.03
AMK Mengutuk Sekeras-kerasnya Penahanan Pimpinan Hindraf Di Bawah Akta Zalim ISA
KeADILan
Kuala Lumpur, 13 Disember - Angkatan Muda KeADILan Malaysia (AMK) mengutuk sekeras-kerasnya penahanan 5 pimpinan Hindraf di bawah akta zalim, Akta Keselamatan Dalam Negeri (ISA) pada awal tengahari tadi.
Inilah yang disampaikan oleh Shamsul Iskandar Mohd Akin, Ketua AMK, dalam kenyataan media yang diperoleh SuaraKeadilan.com hari ini.
Menurut Shamsul, mereka yang ditahan ialah P Uthayakumar, M Manoharan, R Kenghadharan, V Ganabatirau dan T Vasanthakumar.
Pada hemat Shamsul, penahanan ini yang bersifat politik memberikan gambaran bahawa kerajaan seolah-olah sudah tidak mempunyai jalan lain untuk menyelesaikan permasalahan yang membabitkan kaum India.
“Justeru, AMK yakin dan percaya akta zalim ISA digunakan untuk menutupi kegagalan pimpinan kerajaan BN selama ini,†kata Shamsul lagi.
Shamsul berpendapat bahawa dalam keadaan ada di antara mereka masih berada di dalam perbicaraan mahkamah, adalah lebih wajar mereka dibicarakan di mahkamah terbuka berbanding ditahan di bawah akta zalim ISA.
Shamsul menegaskan sekali lagi bahawa penggunaan ISA adalah jelas bertentangan dengan prinsip hak asasi manusia apabila penahanan tanpa perbicaraan dibenarkan berlaku.
“Malah, adalah amat memalukan Malaysia setelah 50 tahun merdeka dan berbangga dengan amalan demokrasi masih lagi terjajah dengan akta drakonian yang ditentang secara mutlak oleh kesemua badan hak asasi manusia seluruh dunia,†tegas Shamsul lagi.
Shamsul juga berkata yang mengulangi propaganda bahawa pimpinan Hindraf mempunyai kaitan dengan jaringan pengganas mengingatkan rakyat tentang propaganda sama yang dimainkan oleh kerajaan BN sebelum melakukan tangkapan terhadap pimpinan KeADILan di bawah akta zalim ISA pada tahun 2001 yang lalu.
Tegas Shamsul, perbezaan pendapat tidak wajar dijadikan sebab seseorang itu boleh dicabuli hak asasinya. malah menjadi tanggungjawab kerajaan untuk meleraikan kekusutan dengan penuh hikmah dan bijaksana.
Kata Shamsul lagi, ternyata, tindakan menggunakan ISA ini merupakan tindakan terdesak dan bankrap idea politik.
“AMK mendesak supaya kesemua tahanan dibebaskan dengan segera.â€
admin @ December 13, 2007
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 51.47
No, no, no Pak Lah.
It must be proven to the public convincingly that road chosen by them is wrong in our community. It is true, there are many poor Indians and others as well. The poverty issue must be addressed.
To jail them, will galvanise their followers. In two years they will emerge as Nelson Mandelas of Malaysia. (Whether you believe it or not.)
This is not the time to use an iron fist. It is easier to break a vase than to make one.
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 53.14
PM: It’s not that I don’t love the people, I love the nation more. Hence, tangkap the five under ISA. Ini susahati or sukahati aku
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 53.48
I say it again. Indians must have pride. Deliver your votes to the opposition. After all you are at the lowest ebb already. whether Samy Vellu wins or not makes no diference to your quality of life.
I would vote for opposition, be it DAP, PAS or Keadilan. At least these people can check the excessof the government which is running out of control.
At this very moment, my sincere prayers go to those heroes who are detained. May God protect them from evil and harms way!
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 54.02
Sweet mother of all that is holy, things just keep getting better and better!
For UMNO, of course.
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 55.05
To me, it seems like the government is trying to paint the Hindraf as the bad guy, to the extent saying that they are terrorist.
There’s one thing that disappoints me. If someone reported to the police saying that Hindraf has links to a terrorist group, shouldn’t the government conduct investigations first to prove this allegation?
It seems so biased that those supporting Hindraf are punished so severely to the extend of persecuting 31 people of attempt of murder.
Is Hindraf an enemy of this country now? Or is it what the government wants it to look like?
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 57.34
Don’t be surprised to see more tangkap ISA - operasi sapu padam is already ongoing!
After all, the current BN government was elected with the highest number of seats. The voters had given the current BN government a blank cheque in 2004.
December 13th, 2007 at 17: 59.15
There are many of us who do not totally support the HINDRAF action. However, the general consensus is that we sympathise with the Indian minority, and they are struggling to be heard, to be seen, to be appreciated. Whatever HINDRAF did, whatever the leaders said, it was just to attract attention to the plight of the Indians. Attention that was denied for the past 50 years, or was hijacked by Semi Value for his pecuniary ends.
By putting the HINDRAF leadership under the ISA, the government is clearly telling us that the case against them for attempted murder or for sedition is probably baseless, or impossible to win in a court of law. Now that they have branded HINDRAF as a terrorist organisation, for which they have no proof whatsoever, the den of thieves have no choice but to detain the leaders without trial. It also goes to prove that the Indians are continuing to be marginalised, and that any attempt to speak out will be ruthlessly stifled. Semi Value has to maintain his stony silence now. He can’t overtly support the den of thieves, and he can’t condemn the ISA action either. Talk about being squeezed between a rock and a hard place. The standard story of minorities in Bolehland.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 01.11
If someone reported to the police saying that Hindraf has links to a terrorist group, shouldn’t the government conduct investigations first to prove this allegation? - bra888
You mean appoint a 3-man panel to investigate the authenticity of the police report like the Lingam scandal? Haha, dream on!
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 03.52
Use the ballot box wisely!
Even if they put a sewing machine or rm200 infront of you, just say NO to BN/UMNO ! Don’t be sweet talked by them again.
Vote DAP, PKR or PAS. Let’s send the tremors!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 05.52
If they offer me RM200 then for sure I will take. After that I will still vote for the opposition! After all, voters vote anonymously right? Right?
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 09.27
Nope, our voting is NOT anonymous. You have to show your IC and they give you a numbered ballot that is linked to your IC number. We used to trust the independence of the EC not to divulge who voted for whom, but there is little doubt that the EC reports the voting patterns (but not on an individual basis) to the den of thieves.
I wouldn’t worry about letting them know who I vote for anyway. I have been voting opposition all my life !
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 13.50
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December 13th, 2007 at 18: 14.17
why the mufti of perak not arrested under ISA for making a choas in Ipoh. He took action on his own without investigation relating to silibin church in ipoh.
He even said chinese and Indians are bulling the malays in an interview. refer youtube for evidence.
now the mufti he is walking free. Anda yakin mungkin!
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 16.06
We have to understand that the Indians’ plights is more than just political, it is scared to them. We cannot just sit and watch because one day it will be our turn, history tell us that.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 17.54
sorry, it should read “sacred”
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 25.29
Hey bra888,
Maybe Goblok Zam aka MSS should head a 3-men Panel with Baboon Nazri and Kera Jahat to investigate the allegation as suggested by you. How about that?
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 26.11
When you can’t beat them, you detain them.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 27.27
dawsheng,
No need to wait that long. Just go and read Malaysia-today, “loosing the Plot” by RPK. The muftii had decreed that the statue ercted facing the sea in Sabah is haram and worked had stopped.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 28.33
UMNO dare to bully Indians because the are few and poor, who is Samy Vellu and what is MIC does not matter. They let the Chinese alone because we have fair share of the economy more in numbers and influences, but who is Ong Ka Ting and where is MCA? We are getting weaker by the day, we are weakest if we are not united. The Chinese and Indians need a new partner and it is not UMNO.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 31.27
Yes, PAS did not stop building the largest Budhha statue in Kelantan. Accordingto RPK, Indians were given a plot of land by PAS in Kelantan to build a Hindu temple. Indeed, Nik Aziz is a true Muslim who practise freedom of worship and fair play as documented in the Holy Kuran
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 32.00
Grace, you are right, I read it. My conclusion, the Chinese is facing the same fate as the Indians, it is a matter of time.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 38.32
Stormfury,
you are wise. Just take the money and go and pangkah any symbol as long as it is not dacing!
Who cares if they found out later, In fact they would be more scared than the voters. It is an outright proof that they are votes buying.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 44.15
Were Shakespeare be alive today, he would have said to Dolah, “Thou liest, thou shag-haired villain” (Macbeth Act V, Scene 7)
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 46.14
I asked this question in M’sia Today and I ask again.
I assume most of us are for the Bersih walk on 10 Nov. The question is, on what basis should the opposition contend the very elections that they claim is tainted with fraudulent lists/votes etc ect?
Would it not smack of hypocrisy if they were to participate, which would effectively render that walk/memo meaningless?
Would not the BN then use this as justification that the elections are free and fair? If not why would the opposition take part?
Yes, BN can put any monkey (and they already have) to pose as opposition and ‘legally’ win it, but the boycott of the mainstream opposition would surely send out a clear signal.
December 13th, 2007 at 18: 50.43
I am really saddened that our PM sees it fit to put the 6 Hindraf people under ISA. I am against the ISA on the basis that the ISA as a law is immoral. To detain people without trial is to deprive people of proper justice. This law can be easily abused by any govt for its own political agenda. As for using it against Hindraf, it is inappropriate as the Hindraf demonstration has been largely a peaceful one except for the fact that the police took violent action against them. The video-clips from You-tube it looks like Hindraf has not been violent. I am sure that the police have their own photographers to bear out this fact.
Further, the main grouse of Hindraf is the marginalisation of the Indian poor which I believe is legitimate, even though I do not agree with all that they stand for. But I respect their right to speak up. Unfortunately, the big ears of the PM are not listening. Why?
I believe that there is a political agenda behind all this.
To take such a drastic action will aggravate the hurt and pain felt by the poor Indians. This will push them further away from the BN.
I am sure that there will be calls from many quarters to get the Indians exercise their electoral rights. I will not be surprised if the Indians, who never voted before, will come out in greater numbers to show their discontent. After if MIC is perceived as not being able to do anything for them, what is there to lose if they voted Keadilan, PAS or DAP?
Also, the PM is not really listening to the people. His big ears seems deaf. As such PM is losing his credibility fast. Is the ISA consonant with the teaching of Islam?
From all that is going in the blogs, one can write much about the double standards of the present BN govt. Khairy can demonstrate and get away with it. His was more rowdy than the Hindraf demonstration. The Mufto of Perak can get away with causing religious tension between the Muslim-Christians in Perak and yet not charged.
What can be done in such a situation?
1. Pray for God’s judgment on the govt.
2. Use your electoral rights.
3. Continue to blog and email and influence yr friends one by one against voting UMNO candidates.
4. The way of the truth will prevail.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 00.42
A 50 years for UMNO is totaly wasted and useless, why scare of giving a permit ? UMNO really no confidence for themself ?
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 10.09
MCA has no ball; can not compare with the Hindraf. MCA means Money Collecting Agent. Ong Kar Ting had collected Rm 200,000 from the gov for a primary school; he felt he had discharge his duty of Chinese community. Can the Rm 200,000 become Rm 20,000.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 17.54
neither am i a hindu, nor am i a muslim, christianity is also not my faith.i am the minority of minorities. but today, i am a malaysian that is completely flabbergasted with the governments high handed actions to curb any sort of unrest(disquiet) by the public.
whether hindraf are right or wrong is a topic for another day. i believe their cause has merit to be heard. let us, all malaysians unite for a basic common principle of equality, justice and freedom. Today is definitely a sad day for any common laymen.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 20.01
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December 13th, 2007 at 19: 22.09
Now they are crowing that the Indians are actually better off than many other races. They quote some stupid figures that the Indian poverty rate is 2.9% whilst the national average is 5.9%.
But then, 90% of the Indian wealth is in the hands of Anandhan Krishnan and Samy Vellu.
What else is left for the other Indians?
Minus those two rich man and then calculate the Indian’s poverty rate.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 22.19
“the Chinese is facing the same fate as the Indians, it is a matter of time”.
All non-UMNO citizens are having the same fate, let it be the Indians, Chinese, Malays, Kadazans or Muruts. We can only have prosperity for the country only if we can get rid of UMNO. They are the root of all evils but they had cleverly camouflaged themselves by making use of Islam Hadhari. They are worse than PAS in terms of extremism. Look at Sabah, what is happening there once it comes under UMNO.
If they are not evils why should they be scared of an Independent ACA and election commission and they keep on working relentlessly to subjugate the press and a submissive police and judiciary.
They have no feelings for the poor and the suppressed and the way hey abused their power is only a short step towards autocracy.
They say they will be fair and transparent but do the Limgamgate and Justice Zaki’s promotion any indication to this. They say they will fight corruption but do the PKFZ fiasco, all the collapses and leakages in government buildings and Parliament house, the gatekeeper and the one eye jack notoriety and many many more fiascos any indication to their fight. They are literally trying to desensitized us so much so that we will get use to all their lies. They just want to stay put so that they can keep on plundering until the country runs dry or until they are overthrown by the people’s power just like Marcos.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 22.48
This shows the arrogance of our imam hadhari and cronies.The indian community were screaming to recognize their problems.But nobody admits that there is a problem.Well to put the issues down our imam impose the draconian law but he never realise there will be more uthayas mushroming.long live hindraf!!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 24.09
The AG still hasn’t submitted evidence to prove Hindraf’s connection with terrorists??
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 29.03
IPCMC is dead. Long live SCC.
http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=20231
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 40.58
It is easy to put people behind bars. But no one can put the thoughts of a person behind anything. The due process of the law must be applied. Why then we take an oath under Rukunegara ‘kedaulatan Undang-Undang” the supremacy of the law. The due process had been well explained in 1354 ” That no man of what estate or condition that he be, shall be put out of land or tenement, nor taken nor imprisoned, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without being brought in answer by due process of the law.”
All those who value freedom must state it in no uncertain terms.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 41.59
Everyone should do his bits. Go and canvass for votes for the opposition. Many of the voters who do not read the internet are not aware of the rots in the country.
They are presented with glossy picture of the country by those UMNO and MCA controlled newspaper.
December 13th, 2007 at 19: 43.52
Most importantly, the government remains largely unresponsive to these mounting tensions. Proposed anti-corruption measures have stalled, the police are still largely unaccountable and electoral barriers for opposition parties remain in place. All of these problems have in recent months fueled some of the largest protests in Malaysia’s history. The government has responded by cracking down hard on peaceful demonstrators and banning further protests - an order that the political opposition and non-governmental organizations have defied.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/IL14Ae01.html
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 04.34
It is my sincere hope and prayer that the Indians for whom the Uthayakumar and the other four fought for will not desert them at this time. Stand by their families. Support them and what they stood for.
They may have employed some strange strategies to put across their message but they fought for the oppressed and the weak. They deserve support.
Now what all of them can do is a get all the Indians to dump MIC and Samy Vellu into a scrap heap in the next general elections. Just vote for any party besides BN.
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 06.44
why dont all Malaysian have another peaceful walk to PutraJaya…
and rewrite the history to regain MERDEKA from DRACONIAN UMNO… to save Malaysia Constitution from forcefully raped by UMNOputra…
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 13.54
THese five will go down in the annals of history that truly fought for the marginalised Indian labourer………not Sambanthan, not Manickavasagam and not any other unmentionables……..the government doesnt know….but after this, their names will be imprinted in the mind of every Malaysian Indian…….Badawi just upped the stakes………..
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 18.31
This is a sad day for the country! I fully agreed with AsIseeit. Yes, pray for God’s judgment. May God comforts the 5 and their family members with peace. Do not be discouraged, rejoice in the Lord! Your detention is the beginning of change for the better. Truth will prevail. God will be after the evil doers, guilt will haunt them.
The UMNOputras only have their interest in mind, not the rakyat. They only stir up sentiment of the rakyat to protect their self interest! Yes, surely they’ll say this drastic action is necessary for the peacefulness of the country. If MCA and MIC are really in effective power sharing of the BN, please speak-up for justice!
Don’t forget, with this bloody action, we shall even be more committed to vote for DAP, PKR and PAS! Spread the words!
Share the ‘beutitudes’ of the UMNOputras not only with your fellow Malaysian but also foreigners whenever you have the opportunity.
Let them know the ‘real undercurrent’ in our beloved country, if they ever think of coming to invest. Growth will only benefits their own pocket; now we can see why Kelantanese refused to be conned by their development project promises!
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 30.13
I will say it again.
Compile all the evidence of the wrongdoings of the Umnoputras into a VCD and distribute it to the people and showcase it to the world to see.
The mainstream medias are control by them.
We cannot fight them nationally,so we fight them internationally.
You can choose one of the title below for the VCD:
1) Apartheid at its best.
2) Malaysia,truly sickening.
3) How to be corrupt and get away with it - Malaysia style.
4) Justice my foot!
5) Malaysia,mother of all shits.
We fight the Umnoputras as true Malaysians and by Malaysians.
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 41.10
Nazri has the nerve to call the demonstrators as “cowards”. In fact, those who took to the streets are the real heroes of the day as they have to brave the unknown of being shot with live bullets. Thank God, they were hit by the water cannons, chemical laced water and tear gas. One person who stood out among the demonstrators is this person Amri who joined the crowd despite him being lame and have to walk using clutches. I salute all these brave men and women. As for the “cowards”, they are none other than the blokes in the BN, especially UMNO, MCA and MIC. When trouble brews, they quickly hide behind the skirts of the all the idiotic laws passed by them and peeping out from the skirts, they call the others names like terrorists for one. I dare them to come out and have an intelligent debate, i.e. if they have the brains for it instead of using these flimsy laws to protect their own butts. The cowards? Definitely not the people in the street, but the people who are continuously in self-denial and arrogant. Stop pushing the people to the edge, for that is how the French and Russian revolutions started, the bourgeois vs the proletariats. So, Mr Prime Minister, its time to start listening to the people instead of shunning them.
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 45.34
YB
I was away shooting for the last few days. We had smoke screen, a simple local temple brought back to ancient China, an old sifu whom was thrown back without even moving a leg. We had Mak Salleh who can fly from rooftop to rooftop…………..now it is back to normal
Sounds like a BN promise, doesn’t it? Why do people still vote for them? Grace was right, we all should go canvassing for the opposition. Yes ,they can give ang pow before the ballot boxes, but like so many people, mark anything but the “Cacing” lah, sorry my thoughts just got control of my hands, i mean “Dacing”.
Soon Badawi will lose control, because lack of 2/3 majority is staring them in the eyes. Probable a “May 13″ mini series will be coming to the theater soon.
Just another day’s work for the BN, but for god’s sake, we Malaysians must come out of this political coma. By the way those 5 guys under ISA had never been Indian leaders to me, they are Malaysian heroes. So please don’t vote for those BN zeros again. Another BN landslide???….Zam you very much.
December 13th, 2007 at 20: 57.17
It’s been raining and flooding in 4 states already. Is God weeping?
Badawi said come work with me not work for me……How to work with you when you dont listen?
Bodowi said I have big ears….talk to me…………..when the ordinary folk talks he doesn’t listen.
Imam Hadhari then said they can approach me if they have a grouse, and he hid the fact that HINDRAF had written hundreds of letters to him which have gone unanswered. And he has the cheek to say they never approached hi,.
Then after the rally in KL, AAB said he will meet with them but Semi Value must be present. After HINDRAF gave the PM 1 week to set up the meeting, the PM never replied.
Then they started charging HINDRAF leaders under sedition. One charge after another. Then they declared HINDRAF Enterprise as illegal so they could freeze their funds and hence stop their activities?
Now he as Home Minister charges them under ISA because he probably cant answer anything to what they have said, and wants to quiet them. And he probably does not think that his pet poodle the AG can nab the HINDRAF leaders.
Mr AAB, how are they to meet and put forward their case to you who said you will listen, when they are imprisoned under the ISA?
Mr pm, the person who has tried to raise racial sentiments were you, yr deputy, zam, nazri, ag and igp. They should be the ones charged under ISA.
HINDRAF were submitting a petition to British Embassy to submit to the Queen. And this is the PM’s reaction and over-reaction to the matter.
I wonder whether pm thinks he can hoodwink all the malaysians?
December 13th, 2007 at 21: 01.39
Sign petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/31081957/petition.html
to support the release of the TOP five HINDRAF Lawyers and 31 peaceful
assemblers/ worshippers, which detain on 06 December 2007.
December 13th, 2007 at 21: 53.02
budak Says:… “why dont all Malaysian have another peaceful walk to PutraJaya… and rewrite the history to regain MERDEKA from DRACONIAN UMNO…”
it’s a very good idea, but should be to istana negara.
instead of 100K malaysian, why not a million malaysian have a peaceful walk there. the more the better. show to the king, rakyat dah muak dengan kerenah kepimpinan BN UMNO. who dare take the lead without fear… i will join in!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 23.21
ya……..lets do it. Lets all drive into kl and see the resultant jam and chaos in KL. Drive around tooting horns, and tie a yellow ribbon on yr car radio antenna?
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 26.07
yang ku cari ialah al-ghazali,
yang ku cari ialah al-shafie,
yang ku jumpa ialah ISA.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 28.32
We are furious and saddened over the ISA detention
of 5 Hindraf leaders…!! Long live UthayaKumar and
other 4 HEROes!!
Your main intention of the street walk is to bring the
Indian Dilemma and issues like poverty of the Indians
to light so that Government WILL plan and take mea-
sures to help the Indians and All other Minority Groups…
Instead of rendering HELP, the Government storm them
with more HARDSHIP and SUFFERINGS…!! Mind you they
are all Malaysia Citizens and The Government is ill-treating
all The Indians, soon will be the Chinese and All other
Minority Groups…!!
This is the DOMINO EFFECT and Consequences of
APARTHEID POLICY practised by Malay-sia Government!!
AAB and UMNOputras have committed too big a SIN
that ALLAH must punish them accordingly…!! It is
just a matter of time and what we need to do is sit
back and watch what will happen to these IDIOTs…!!!
Hindraf is NOT a party formed to create hatred to the
Malays as accused by Nazri and AAB! It is too DANGEROUS
to pass that kind of comment in a multi-racial country
and The UMNOputras and Government are playing with
FIRE…!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 28.54
come work with me;
you demonstrate , I will ‘tangkap’.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 29.38
It has started.
he’s just made 5 matrys, and 5 reason why the Indians will abandon MIC.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 30.48
“The return of the ISA is another regression of Malaysia to the dark era of human rights violations which can only tarnish the country’s international reputation and image.†KIT
THE RETURN OF THE ISA
First, I understand where Kit is going with this statement but the ISA was never put on hold – correct me if I am wrong. So it is misleading to refer to what is happening as the “return of the ISAâ€. Just as it never went away it could not return. In fact I would not refer to the present action of this government as an attempt to breathe life into a piece of legislation long regarded repressive and abhorrent - which is what detention without charge and without access to legal counsel is all about i.e. repressive, oppressive and repulsive.
However, we need to take a step backward and ask if a piece of legislation like the Internal Security Act is not just what the country needs in a post 9/11 world. The United States has long criticized Malaysia for the continued use of legislation like the Internal Security - the legacy of another era when the country was fighting communist terrorists. The event of 9/11 has changed all that. The United States in fact took a leaf out of Malaysia’s experience and passed into law what is today known as the U.S. Patriots Act – a very controversial piece of legislation which allows the U.S. Federal government to detain persons suspected of being terrorists or involved in terrorist activities without charge and access to legal counsel.
In the U.S. though the controversial aspects of the U.S. Patriotic Act are reviewed by the U.S. Congress every year, and Congress may choose to amend, repeal or extend. This year the U.S. Congress reviewed and decided that it should be extended in view of the continuing need to fight Islamic extremism and terrorism within its borders.
I am no apologist for BN but there is never a greater need to have legislation like the ISA today in our fight against Islamic extremism and terrorism – except that in Malaysia under the BN run government, the ISA has been used and continues to be used as a tool to stifle political opposition to government policies. In the immediate years after 9/11 though it did use the Act to detain Islamic extremists. However, today’s detention of HINDRAF leaders smacks of government intolerance of public dissent more than anything else.
Were we still fighting Communist terrorists like we were doing in the 50s or in the immediate post May 13, 1969 years there may be a case for detaining them for ignoring a court order if nothing else against holding public demonstrations which by their nature were racially inflammatory – and therefore a threat to national security. The BERSIH demonstration, on the other hand, is about ordinary Malaysians being united against a government that is being used by the national coalition running it, to continue to impose unfair election practices. It has none of the racial character that HINDRAF has.
Having said that there is a practical aspect to it that we should not lose sight of. How could the government justify detaining some 31 supporters of HINDRAF in jail and without bail when its leaders are allowed to walk free?
Kit speaks of the “tarnishing of Malaysia’s international reputation.†But we are in a post 9/11 era and countries with the best of democratic traditions have passed similar legislation to fight terrorism within their borders.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 33.23
This isn the darkest day since AAB came to power!
Let’s do our part to vote BN out!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 36.19
The point to my argument is that there’s no investigation done. Believing allegations without any investigation only means that ‘they’ have already taken sides.
That’s so biased. The media shows that the government is doing ’such a good job’, while ‘others’ are ‘enemy of the country’ or ‘terrorist’.
Someone told that it’s a dream to have something done in a better way, but I really wish that it’s a reality that we can hold on to. That’s why some of us are fighting for.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 36.30
Found this online, not sure if you have seen it.
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A big shock and a proof against the Election Commission.
Check out this link!
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/560996
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 40.42
Finally the true colours of Malaysian Gov under BODOWI! Bunch of cowards, liars, corrupts, morons!!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 47.39
Goodness gracious…this is a case of double standards. I don’t see any UMNO members making racist remarks being detained under ISA. They walk free
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 51.09
“…you cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has freedom.” - Malcom X.
Down with the ISA, long live freedom!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 53.45
Today is the darkest day of Malaysia and we Must
declare A Day of Mourning for The Dead of Democracy…!!
What is the meaning of 50th Anniversary of KeMerdekaan
of Malaysia and The UNITY of Its PEOPLEs…??!!
As long as Government is practising APARTHEID POLICY
in Malaysia, there WILL NEVER Be UNITY in this COUNTRY!!
3 Cheers to UNITY of ALL MINORITY Groups in MALAYSIA!!!
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 58.03
The majority 60% votes is not going to BN. BN used to buying votes, ghost/phantom voters & revised votes since this 50 years. DSAI has proven within their lies over SPR since DSAI once in BN parties. So if no more that Rashid, i think their votes not more than 30% this coming GE. Who willing votes for everythings Hikes? For sure not me & my friends/relatives.
December 13th, 2007 at 22: 59.09
Yes, as a Kelantanese I would rather vote for PAS then for UMNO.So far, PAS has been fairer to the chinese and Indians then when it was under UMNO.They have not harass the chinese from selling pork, they even allocate a portion of malay land for chinese to buy houses.This was not possible during UMNO tenure. Yes ,its true they approved a piece of prime property in the town area for the Indians to build a Hindu shrine.(Jln Hamzah), and Yes, Nik Aziz opened the largest sleeping Buddha in Tumpat, Kelantan. Yes, I would rather live under PAS then under the corrupt UMNO regime.
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 07.11
All the talk about PAS being extremists are a bunch of crap. If PAS were to contest in my area, I will vote for PAS without blinking an eye. Why?? Well, UMNO have threatened me with a keris. Tok Guru never did such a thing.
Good enough for any doubters still out there?
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 09.41
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always”.
Mahatma Gandhi
Thrown into the flames of incarceration, the HINDRAF 5 will emerge very much stronger. By token, so will their supporters. For this is how you make steel. In the meantime, the HINDRAF 5 serve as symbols in the struggle against Malaysia’s apartheid.
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 12.35
They were already punishing Uthayakumar with the rearrest after bail but it looks as if they thought he would be able to bear that burden.
Looks like the authorities are shooting the messengers and not addressing the problems.
2008 is not going to be a good year for Malaysia.
http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2007/12/mother-of-all-draconian-laws.html
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 14.53
Though anticipated, I still read with dismay (the detention).
PM has big ears to listen. How? When people speak, he put them in prison. Perhaps he will go to prison to hear them out?
Who’s next?
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 17.03
Badawi ignores the power of cyberspace at his own peril…this is not the Chin Peng of 1948, it is not 1969 and it is not Operation Lalang of the 80s either….it is the age of the internet and sms….the information gets dissipated with pictures and video within seconds…..the ISA will not be able to stand up to information…it will not be able to stand up to truth…..the world watches… and listens with giant ears…..
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 24.51
Long live the five martyrs.We are always with you.The Almighty God should punish the bunch of liars,corrupts,bullies,morons,hypocrites,cheats,big-headed,religious bigots, etc.Shame on you ,the ‘bbc’ MCA ,MIC ,Gerakan.Pray you idiots will soon fall into the abyss of oblivion and be severely punished.
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 27.45
I refer to the above comments( ussually the hatred against UMNO).
Mr short sleeve claimed that UMNO have threatened him with a keris. What is it with keris that short sleeve is so afraid of. Keris in Malay culture symbolises strengh, courage, dignity. I followed closely the UMNO general assembly.
Hishamudin did not threaten anybody or any race with Keris. So, why he is so afraid of Keris.
As for Hindraf leaders detained under ISA, well they deserve it. Why spread lies, incite the feeling of Hindus against the Malays. Are they not playing a very dangerous game? The PM is right about using ISA. Those who play to the gallery must be willing to pay the price.
Please do not think majority of Malaysians are against ISA. Silent majority agree to it. It is a very effective tool against those who abuse freedom for their political game. Hindraf claimed about UMNO promoting ethnique cleansing. I ask my Indian friends. All of them said that that is not the truth. They have grouses but no Indian friends of mine agree to such a ridiculous allegation.
Despite condemnation on UMNO, I strongly believe that it respects other races. Remember it simply can rule Malaysia on its own if it really wanted to. It simply can put A Malay as Penang Chief minister in 1990 after Gerakan and MCA fared badly in general election. But it still considers the wishes of Chinese communities.
It still tolerate insult and racial remarks by people like LIm Kit SianG who manipulates the issue of relocation of Chinese School in Damansara several years later . And party that claim to monopoly Islam can still call Dr Mahathir as Firaun without its newspaper, Harakah, being banned.
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 34.01
Mr Lim
i would like to take this oppotunity to send my deepest condolence to the families and friends of those who detained under the draconic ISA,
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 35.29
For those who still didnt notice the cybermedia news:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/
http://www.malaysia-today.net/
http://www.anwaribrahimblog.com/
http://www.bersih.org/
http://keadilanrakyat.org/
http://www.tvpas.com/
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 37.17
Bra888,
Don’t be naive. That bugger whoever he is that made the police report must be an BN/umno member. You and I will not bother to go that far unless we have proof and the threat from Hindraf is serious. We all know that they are peace-loving Hindus, just that they tried to spin the joke that went bad.
You still want Goblok Zam aka MSS to form the investigating panel?
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 51.07
Watch out.There is a BN liar among us.That guy’s post appeared a while ago.No wonder they are so arrogant.They can rule without the non Malays if they want to.Very true.But is election fair to all the communities when there is gerrymandaring?When you have one MP serves more than 100,000 voters and another one represents only less than 10,000 in another constituency.
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 56.38
busyyy,
You don’t send “condolence” unless that someone is dead. The correct way is to say you are “sorry to hear his/her misfortune, and that your thoughts are with him/her always”
December 13th, 2007 at 23: 57.29
“As for Hindraf leaders detained under ISA, well they deserve it. Why spread lies, incite the feeling of Hindus against the Malays. Are they not playing a very dangerous game? The PM is right about using ISA. Those who play to the gallery must be willing to pay the price.” shamsul anuar
Hisap-muddin was not playing to the gallery when he raised that keris of his meh??
“Hishamudin did not threaten anybody or any race with Keris.” shamsul anuar
If he had unsheathed the keris in a loving manner, gently put his hand on it, caressed it even, and raised to kiss it and then sheathed it, it would be a different story and I’d believe you.
But the images that we saw were images of the guy cutting the clear crisp morning air with his long intimidating keris and with his mouth wide open looking as if he was about to murder his own mother tell us a different story!
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 01.35
“Watch out.There is a BN liar among us.That guy’s post appeared a while ago.” jus legitimum
Maybe you want to make a police report?
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 03.45
“Yes, I would rather live under PAS then under the corrupt UMNO regime.” Richard Teo
Time to walk the talk?
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 06.23
If political manoeuvres are fair to everyone, there will be less conflicts and there will be no BERSIH march, lawyers march and the Hindraf protest. Acceptable political manoeuvres do not include a RM 50 per vote purchase, appointment of the Chief Justice according to self interest and paying too much attention to one group of people only. Problems do not arise suddenly. As long as they are not solved, they will keep building up. Yesterday gave birth to today. Today will give birth to tomorrow.
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 06.23
The media reported yesterday that MUSLIM-majority Indonesia unveiled one of Asia’s tallest Jesus Christ statues in the mainly Christian town of Manado on North Sulawesi island.
Look at our fanatic UMO leaders.
What has happened to the statue to be build in Sabah?
UMO fanatics are so much worst than Indonesians!
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 13.37
Please do not think majority of Malaysians are against ISA. Silent majority agree to it.-shamshul anuar
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You sure have picked up that air of arrogance from Nazri.
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 18.51
Indonesians have their “Pantjasila” similar to our Rukun Negara. In it there is no mention of religion - just God. In Indonesia a man can be Muslim but his wife a Christian, and their children Hindus. They are really messed up.
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 26.06
“They are really messed up.” - Horse
Why so, isn’t that total freedom of religion and to each his own? That’s great, Malaysia follow.
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 40.37
Except that during the day the man becomes a Christian and starts praying to Jesus and at night he becomes a Muslim and believes in polygamy. Then the next day he may be a Mormon. if he could change religion the way he changes his clothes then this spells problems because it shows the guy is confused.
Imagine if he turns out to be the President or the Prime Minister!
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 46.53
Nothing new, our Imam Hadhari is even worse! He’s a great liar and many more that I am sure we are all aware of.
December 14th, 2007 at 00: 52.42
Yes, in 2 years time all 5 will become our Mandelas.
Bodowi is desperate, very desperate now!
December 14th, 2007 at 01: 01.18
i have a friend, from Kelantan, of Thai heritage who are actually the real bumiputras of the state, however, they were not given full bumiputra status and only half-bumi.
A lot of them do no have good education and continue to work in blue collar industries. NEP is bad, and they were also marginalised. The NEP is created to rob and not to share the wealth of the country.
December 14th, 2007 at 01: 12.02
ISA
This is the first three words I see when I woke up this morning. though i know pak lah would definitely invoke ISA one day, i didnt expect him to do so early. Let’s hope the international will put some pressure on the government to release the 5 hindraf leaders.
December 14th, 2007 at 01: 31.48
shamshul anuar Says: Remember it (UMNO) simply can rule Malaysia on its own if it really wanted to. It simply can put A Malay as Penang Chief minister in 1990 after Gerakan and MCA fared badly in general election.
How convenient your argument can be. Sure, UMNO can rule Malaysia alone but it will be a poorer and more screwed-up Malaysia. I believe UMNO is gradually moving toward total monopoly of power in this country and that is why I can see that the country is becoming worse. Can you see it?
Sure, a Malay can be appointed as the Chief Minister of Penang. Who care really? Who do not know it is a tokenism to give a Malay dominated Malaysia a multi-racial image. To put it rudely, power sharing my foot! Perhaps you should also ask why MCA and Gerakan performed so badly in Penang and in fact in most Chinese majority constituencies. Perhaps you should ask why MIC is able to win Ijok during the recent by election when PKR was represented by a well respected Malay. You Malays know how to vote a hapless Indian knowing that it will serve your own interest, not because you love multi-racism. I think you are blind to your own racism. If you think UMNO is benevolent, you better think again.
December 14th, 2007 at 01: 34.37
Shanshul anuar Says: It still tolerate insult and racial remarks by people like LIm Kit SianG who manipulates the issue of relocation of Chinese School in Damansara several years later.
Hello, Sdr Kit never insults the Malay or UMNO. He only pointed out the abuse, the corruption, and the lack of governance in the Government led by the Malays. No, he did not manipulate the Chinese school issue. Chinese School is our legitimate and constitutional rights. Soon I must say even the Malays may have to learn mandarin if they want to find their rightly place.
December 14th, 2007 at 02: 36.52
There was no need whatsoever to invoke the ISA on the HINDRAF leadership- talk about over-reacting, pandering to the kampong gallery, sensationalism and making a convenient scapegoat out of the whole matter to cover up for the defiencies and child-like immaturity of the current Government leadership! They really know how to make an ass of themselves in the eyes of the international community, as well as within the borders of the nation!
December 14th, 2007 at 02: 47.21
DarkHorse Says:
Indonesians have their “Pantjasila†similar to our Rukun Negara. In it there is no mention of religion - just God. In Indonesia a man can be Muslim but his wife a Christian, and their children Hindus. They are really messed up.
Actually, old bean, we are the ones who are really messed up, not them, as they have the intellectual edge on how to be tolerant compared to the narrowmindedness in this part of the world. It works for them, therefore why can’t it work for us over here? The answer to this is found in the mental attitudes of religious leaders and politicians (Muslim ones) who have taken this once tolerant nation down the road to backwardness- it’s as simple as that!
December 14th, 2007 at 03: 05.45
Hello Greatstuff, old bean!
Indonesians who are mostly Muslims persecuted Chinese Christians and their government stood by never intending to exercise any control over these Muslim extremist groups and as a result thousands of Chinese Christians made their way to the United States asking for asylum from the U.S. Government. Thousands were granted asylum as a result of violence against Christians. To attribute such persecution to ethnicity alone is to deny the fact that religion has a lot to do with it.
Talk about religious tolerance, talk about having an ‘intellectual edge’ - my ass!
December 14th, 2007 at 03: 20.54
[…] ISA detention of Hindraf five most deplorable […]
December 14th, 2007 at 04: 48.15
Why do you guys bother to reply to Shamshul Anuar, who is clearly an UMNO cybertrooper. He’s probably taken over from RealWorld in commenting on this blog. Sure, the silent majority trusts UMNO, the silent majority supports the use of the ISA, the silent majority will always vote BN…..
Let’s see what the silent majority will do this election.
December 14th, 2007 at 04: 51.58
The arrogance with which they use the ISA and then try to condone it is reminiscent of tyrants like Hitler and Mussolini. Even Lee Kuan Yew never believed in detaining people without trial. Lee’s style was to take his critics to court for defamation or sedition or any other breach of the law. Then he would make sure that the punishment is so severe that in most cases the guilty parties would have to go into bankruptcy.
In the case of Bolehland, the thieves are so afraid of taking people to court (due to the capabilities, or lack thereof, of the AG’s Chambers) that they have to resort to detention without trial.
Shame on you, BN. Tyrants will always fail, no matter how much you justify your actions.
December 14th, 2007 at 05: 11.16
“Why do you guys bother to reply to Shamshul Anuar, who is clearly an UMNO cybertrooper. ” God father
Well at least someone using an obvious handle wears his political loyalty on his sleeve. I’m not so sure about limkamput who is here still nursing his damaged ego.
December 14th, 2007 at 05: 36.32
You are right Godfather(you must be so smittened and proud of your name, when everyone has to address you this way!). I might change mine to “fairy Godmother” :D)
Back to that cybertrooper, they should have ignored him. Whatever we write won’t be absorbed, so what’s the point? Buang masa saja.
December 14th, 2007 at 06: 05.27
I am impressed of burn’s suggestion - 1 million people!
But there are approx 80 here and maybe 2000 visits this site; which makes 2080. If we speard the news to 50 of our friends/family there will be only 104000. Unless the 50 spread to another 50 and so one.
BN is shaken by 100k. With 1M, BN will collapse.
Appropriate time, perhaps 31st Dec - to celebrate New Year Eve. You don’t need pemit to celebrate New year eve!
But the celebration should be outside the palace - seeking the King to release the 5 Heros and disolution of the Parliment.
THOSE ELECTED SHOULD REALISE THAT “PEOPLE’S VOICE” CANNOT BE SUPRESSED BY THE THREAT OF ISA.
December 14th, 2007 at 06: 43.53
If the highway cracks, Samy Velu will blame “acts of God” - Divine Intervention !
December 14th, 2007 at 06: 59.55
Dear Shamsul,
You have a totally wrong perception. We are what we are today is because of the ‘divide and rule’ agenda by the UMNO. Sadly they are getting stronger as days go by because their policy has resulted many of our ignorant Malay countrymen addicted to all the ‘wheelchair’ privileges and protection. Its like ‘drug’, they are sticked with it; they can’t live without it, just like you, you will prefer to ‘die’ rather than having that ’survival package’ taken away because you ‘think’ (though its not real) you can only ‘make it’ with the ‘umbrella’. They always say the NEP must be there to lift the Malays from the poverty, but how would you feel if you you need to pay higher price for a normal house whereas Malays like you enjoy special discount for big bungalows!? Again you have to be one of those non-Malays to know our feeling.
Malay had been tolerating? Yes, they are ‘enforcing’ and ‘enjoying’ (government pampered you like mad! No hurry to look for a job after graduation because UMNO would make all excuses to pay you some duit kopi from the oil fund! Of course some non-Malays would also get some ‘rub’). However, the non-Malay poor are forced (otherwise we would also end up ISA) to tolerate but knowing that the situation is getting ‘worst’ because their Malay neighbors are getting more ’shiok’ with the NEP drug.
Dear Shamsul, for the sake of the country, whether you like it or not, we are already all under the same roof and 50 years after Merdeka, let’s built the country together, no need ‘Bumiputra’ or ‘non-bumiputra’. We are all putra of the land; our orang asli (in peninsula) do not complaint that this land was theirs before Parameswara came to Malacca (please, Hisham, don’t ‘kris’ me if you are anak lelaki, is this not true?)! If some adjustment period need to be given, well, it has been given during the 1970-1990 period with ‘TOLERANCE’ of our Chinese and Indian friends. But now they keep going on and on with tons of excuses here and there; and they got the ‘chic’ to tell you ‘tolerate’, ‘tolerate’, like you. They tell you old grandmother stories why they ‘deserve’ the special rights now, forgetting it was a temporary (under the ‘emergency’ ’shadow’ during the aftermath of the 513) with implementation to help them. The non-Malays had been made suckers by their MCA and MIC ‘bodoh-heads’ that ‘everything’ must be ‘negotiated under the bed’ without publicity to avoid antagonising our Malay friends, and this is what we get today! Go to hell with their lies; will MCA and MIC members tell their bosses to go to hell the next time they tell you ‘we negotiate, we don’t publicise’. They had led all the non-bumis to this mess.
Dear Shamsul, if you are anak lelaki (the UMNOyouth always like to use this phrase, but are they?), give up your priviledge-lah. Slough on your own, dare you? Yes, you can! Just like everyone of us! The ‘inferiority and Malay must rely on Bumiputra priviledge phobia’ has always make you think ‘cannot’!
Dear Shamsul, who knows the country could achieve much better economical growth without the NEP; more FDI, more local investment, more growth and productivity with less corruption and malpractices under the ‘protection’ of the NEP (its an open secret; just see why Proton is in such a shape). Be of good courage, be a anak lelaki, then only you talk.
Sad to talk about Penang chief ministership; if Gerakan + MCA + MIC cannot prevent UMNOputra becoming a Chief Minister, take-lah; afterall the post is only a rubber-stamp post, no real power. Ask Dr.Koh and he’ll tell you the story! UMNOyouth and SIL are bigger than him. He works under tremendous UMNO pressure and fear! He has to be a Mr. Nice Guy to keep on going; I’m sure my highly respected Senior Koh is weeping seeing his beloved son in such a state! I ‘love’ him, but the love of the country comes first! (borrow this slogan from the UMNO hypocrites).
The ‘divide and rule’ policy has resulted very serious situation now; the civil service and GLC is primarily made up of Malays and the private sector the non-Malays (in my own experience, my Malay staffs will stick with the company for a while, and leave for a government job as soon as they get an offer. They would prefer to be a lower pay ‘pegawai’ rather than the higher salary job in the private sector). Whenever a genuine criticism is made against some inefficient government department, it is always so readily turned into anti-Malay issue. When the ‘civil service’ implement and enforce some genuine measures to put things right, the non-Malays private sector will always see it is ’stumbling blocks, marginalisation policy or ‘license to corrupt’. Yes, it is top urgent to correct this situation; this will magnify the tension. Please, please correct the situation, dear PM, DPM, all BN component parties, don’t make a big issue out of HINDRAF appeal for the Indian poor!
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 30.14
I think it’s now the time for some effective ways to solve the problem, http://www.avaaz.org
let the world do the judgement and gain international attention.
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 43.18
FUND TO HELP FAMILIES OF THOSE OF THE 31 DETAINED ON 25/11
15 NGOs that met on Monday 10th December 2007 at the MHS HQ unanimously endorsed a proposal that the well being of the 31 persons arrested at Batu Caves on 25th November pertaining to the Hindraf Rally should be looked after including their families. Some of the families have indicated that there are in financial problems and need urgent help as the persons detained were sole bread winners.
Thus we would like to appeal to all concerned Malaysians to donate towards a fund to help the families of those of the 31detained who are in need of aid. Please bank in your contributions to CIMB A/c 14020175965054 a/c of Malaysia Hindu Sangam. Please fax your bank in slip to 03 77847304 for us to follow. For further enquiries, please call Vela/Roshan at 03- 77844668.
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 44.12
To all MALAYSIAN.
Its time for all malaysia to go all out ,tell the people to suport HINDRAF. Tell them not to fear HINDRAF.they fight for indian right.tell them to fear UMNO.they make people more poor.look around nowadays everything is so expensive.VOTE BN,MIC,MCA,GERAKAN,PPP.OUT.they cannot open their mouth to help the people.they are the dog of UMNO.
GOD BLESS HINDRAF.LONG LIVE HINDRAF.
ALL INDIAN DONT GIVE UP.WE NEED U TO GO ALL OUT.
MAY GOD BLESS U TOO LIM KIT SIANG.
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 45.27
Forgot to include website for the fundraising for families detained on 25/11
http://www.hindusangam.org.my/
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 45.42
Though I dont agree with shamshul anuar, I welcome his comments here. We need some voices to get this blog a bit balanced.
SIMPLYJUSTICE suggestion is simply brilliant!
Appropriate time, perhaps 31st Dec - to celebrate New Year Eve. You don’t need permit to celebrate New year eve!
But the celebration should be outside the palace - seeking the King to release the 5 Heros and disolution of the Parliment.
Have BERSIH ever thought of this?? Just wear yellow on the new year eve and paint the city yellow and let’s “celebrate” New Year!!!
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 45.52
To reply to what DiaperHead said above:
Yes Diaperhead, there was an ugly mob rule mentality inflicted against the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia during 1988, by those who lost sight of any rational intellectual ability, and deplorable it truely was.
But, on the different issue of inter-faith tolerances, as pracitised in the worlds most populous Muslim nation of over 200 million,the comparatively small nation of Malaysia has enforced a rigid version backed up by Shyriah,with it’s dual legal system thus denying its brothers and sisters the value of a real option to choose, and in this sense is intellectually an underclass when compared to Indonesia.
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 47.46
Malaysians have finally got their pseudo-BaoGong.
December 14th, 2007 at 07: 51.08
This is a big mistake by the PM.
1) He officially politicise the issue when it was social before. This move will only radicalize some Indians more. In fact its likely to consolidate the Indians further and drive them away from MIC
2) He now is solely responsible for any damage due to Indian grievances. He has drawn a definite line between Indian-Malay relationship in this country - a line that can never be healed. It will be patched-over, covered-up and painted-over but never healed UNLESS the NEP and Islamic state agenda is ended and somwhere near 2020 not 2057. So indirectly he himself has spelled the death of the NEP and Islamic agenda ironically.
3) He must do much more than this to placate the growing resentment. The problem is he has a poor track record. I have no doubt that there will be more ‘corridors’-like idea/mega project solely for the Indians but it will fail also, only delaying the inevitable rebuild of resentment. He can do this only if a recession does not come soon otherwise, things will blow up even larger than it is now.
To me Hindraf is to Badawi what Iraq is to George Bush, it will end his administration in infamy.
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 11.33
We appeal to the United Nations Council for Human Rights, in particular the United States of America and the European Union, to issue a stern and strong statement of condemnation of the Malaysian UMNO-led government, for gross and despicable violation of the basic human right to peaceful assembly, for the unlawful and inhumane prosecution of innocent victims of peaceful rallies, for the instigation and false accusations made against participants of peaceful rallies, for the abuse and corruption of the judicial process, and most of all, for the failure to protect and uphold the statutory rights and civil liberties of the Malaysian citizens as enshrined in the constitution.
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 13.11
I feel so sorry for them but the “content” of the memo to the PM of UK (http://rockybru2.blogspot.com/2007/12/isa-memo.html) is really disturbing.
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 24.17
Shamshul, surely you will not disagree with me that UMNO, MCA and MIC are all corrupt to the core. Open your eyes, look at the Indian community, and then take a look at your own, tell me why they don’t deserves better. As for the Chinese, please be very worry, but please not DAP or Lim Kit Siang, we are here trying to save this country from the dogs and pigs. If you wants to condemn the Chinese, there are many gangsters, drug dealers, pimps and criminals, if Malay wants to go after that kind of Chinese, I will be with you but don’t you know who is taking care of Mat Rempit, some gang leaders are members of MCA and MIC? You are in a state of denial, Shamsul. Wake up!
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 31.19
Today, many develop countries has done research on alternative energy to replace oil, solar energy for example. This will happen sooner than later Shamsul. You think you are doing fine because your kind is industrious? Wake up my brother. Wake up.
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 42.02
how come SEMI VALUE now become NO VALUE to comment. he is known as govinda! padan muka dia!
December 14th, 2007 at 08: 55.13
Well! we can’t rally in Malaysia….but we can sure rally around the world. Malaysians are now spread around the world because of the UMNO regime. Malaysians in Singapore may be gagged just like in Malaysia but there is many of them in China, Australia, UK, US etc. Live telecast around the world by exclusively by Al-Jazeera, it is going to be a big hit. Rally us Unc Kit…. and we will be there.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 05.01
“Shamsul: Please do not think majority of Malaysians are against ISA. Silent majority agree to it. It is a very effective tool against those who abuse freedom for their political game”
I believe the minority you are talking about is only 300,000 of them and they are all UMNO members…..Shamsul, for starters this is no place for UMNO lovers or UMNO symphatisers….some of us have been greatly affected whether directly or indirectly by the UMNO regime. We are not condemning UMNO becuase it is a Malay political party but becuase it is a party that is destroying the livelihood of Malaysians. If they are Democrat or Liberal or Labor or Mugabe’s whatever party…. Malaysians will still hate them for what they are doing.
Get your thoughts right brother.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 05.48
Ultimately, it will be UMNO that destroys the country. It will happen when the UMNO Malays themselves will turn against their party.
The UMNO Malay psyche is unique.
Corruption, abuse of power or immorality of their leaders do not matter at all to them. What they care is material rewards? What can UMNO give me? What more benefits can I get from UMNO? What jobs you can give? It’s all Give Me, Give Me, Give Me.
They will [deleted] their leaders as long they are in power. Any UMNO leader who is no more in power is treated like dirt. He is snubbed. He is dumped and forgotten.
Even Mahathir could lose the contest for a miserable UMNO delegate position.
UMNO’s soul is real sick but see how it talks about the sanctity of religion when they break all tenets of God.
UMNO is holding its supports through patronage. Stop the hand outs and they will desert UMNO. Yes, that day will come when UMNO will not have enough to give, give and give.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 22.43
Help for the 31. Is a good idea but we need someone like KIT to certify the authenticity of the organisation, and account number are genuine.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 27.06
Guys, I think you should engage and rebut each of Shamsul’s points instead of brushing him off. That way more visitors to the site such as Shamsul can understand the truth of what is going on.
You must understand that most people get their news only from the mainstream media and have been totally brainwashed by umno/bn over the years. What do you expect when you are given small doses every day of your life? What do you think it has done to the malays? They keep telling the malays that they are weak and that they need help and that they(umno) are fighting for their (malay) rights and others are here to take them away.
That brainwashing has gone on to such an extent of making malays think they are weak and incompetent. They(malays), according to umno, need a tongkat to survive. And as long as they vote for umno, umno will provide the tongkat for them.
All as an excuse for umnoputras to plunder the riches of this nation.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 33.25
as an example:-
Zakaria Mat Daros, the ex-Klang Municipal Councillor who at one time had 3 family members in the council. Wa-lau-weh, looks like definately dont hav ecompetent malays la in Klang. Have to give seats on one council to three people from the same familuy. No guesses as to how the votes can be loaded in this way.
Now ZMD was at one time an office boy and later a railway gate keeper the story goes. Can one explain how he amassed his wealth? Why no ACA investigation?
The land he has built his mansion upon is marked for low cost housing. Any guesses as to how he got the land for himself/wife and how he amassed the wealth to build the mansion?
Still nothing for ACA to query about?
What about Close-One-Eye Jasin MP who asked the Customs to allow some timber to be shipped out? Why no action for corrupt use of power? This was used on Anwar, so why not on Jasin?
What about AP Queen Rafidah?
Nolah nothing to investigate.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 38.19
When JKr contractors do shoddy work , we the rakyat end up paying billions more to the contractors. examples:- Martrade building, MORR cracks and patch work. The additional amount paid is in billions lah kawan. Where got government department dont know how to do contract one.
Even in my contracts with JKR, I have to place a performance bond (bank guarantee). And if substandard work is done, or remedial works need to be done, I have to remedy or pay the difference if JKR calls someone else to remedy.
But for these mega-mega projects, no protection? How naive you want us to be? Shamsul, you and all of us are paying for it, as will our children, and their children because you are ignorant of the facts.
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 47.03
When our ministers and dpm declared that bumi equity has not reached 30% yet, we have Clown Nazri saying we will ask for more if it reaches 30%. Isn’t that inciting racial feelings?
And the dpm said they will make the methodolgy public but todate, more than a year after ASLI showed that bumi equity has exceeded 30%, no sign of the methodolgy? Silap Mata? Make everyone forget?
Today because of the internet, the info is out there and can be dug up easily again.
Look its very easy to calculate, most local companies formed during the nep have to have 30% bumi equity. My company does. Then you have companies under Sime Darby which by its own would be huge already. There is Petronas. There is Felda, etc etc which are 100% bumi. So how can one sit and say bumi equity is still below 30%? All the politicians are saying is that they have not raped and accrued enough yet! These guys want more of what belongs to the rakyat!
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 55.09
Shamsul, I sincerely hope that someone dear to you is held under the ISA. Only then will you understand whether the ISA is justified.
I also hope that somone dear to you is held like the 31 guys who attended the rally on 25th November and get accused for murder and are left in prison without bail. Perhaps then you can understand how the police are victimising the rakyat.
Shamsul, if you have seen the pictures and the many videos of the incidents on 25th November, you will understand that teh crowd was a peaceful crowd who had no weapons. No weapons were used against the police. This is how the pm of the nation treats the rakyat.
Did they cause any disturbance? No they gathered on a sunday to march to the british embassy to hand a petition to sue the British Govt for damages. Did they accus ethe malays of anything? Do they have hatred towards the malays?
No its the bn/umno guys who have made statements that they are anti-malay and are terrorists. So who is inciting racial hatred? Its the bn…………
December 14th, 2007 at 09: 59.17
Read This:
http://www.petitiononline.com/31081957/petition.html
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 04.46
I take my hats off to the Indians who attended the rally on 25th Nov despite warnings and the court order. They behaved extremely well and withstood the onslaught from the police without retaliating. Sure a couple of cops got injured, but they were injured with bricks that were thrown at them. Again it means it was a peaceful unarmed crowd that came, and took the chemical laced water cannons and tear gas, and kept coming back for more punishment. The crowd present was more than 50,000 despite all the warnings and threat of arrest.
Shamsul, do you even wonder why people are willing to do this? And risk arrest? You need to probe deeper. Dont just listen to the TV1,2,3, or other news stations which are all controlled or under the control of bn. Also NST/Star/UM/BH. Tell me which paper you read. Do you think you got the true story of what happened that day?
Have you spoken with anyone who went there who could give you a first hand account of what happened?
Wake up Shamsul, there’s more to it than meets the eye. The bn wants you to swallow wholesale what it dishes out to you. You should be smarter than this. Learn to read between the lines.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 08.25
to dawsheng who wrote about petrol,
did you know that according to Islam petrol belongs to the public. There are 3 three types of possessions permitted: individual, public and government. the government can only possess Baitulmal while minerals like gold or petroleum must be divided fairly to the public. Individual and government CANNOT control petroleums.
it is called ma’ul iddu = air mengalir tak berhenti = all belong to the public. Government functions as distributor only.
Not many Muslims know this, hence the monopoly of petroleum money by Muslim regimes throughout the world.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 14.26
All Malaysians citizens, please stand up to UMNO which is the Real Terrorist organisation in Malaysia!!!They organised/supported/sponsored the killings of many innocent lives on May 13,1969.The Blood of these innocent lives are still on UMNO’s hands!!!Yet they persist in dishonouring those innocent victims by continueing to terrorise Malaysian citizens about 513 and waving the keris with impunity!!!All malaysians must UNITE to bring this TERRORIST organisation to JUSTICE!!!We can start by voting against any UMNO/BN candidiate in the next GE!!!We owe it to all the innocent lives that were slaughtered by this Terrorist Group and who have yet to get justice!!!
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 18.28
They just don’t give a damn about indians? Super pathetic news.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 19.26
Isn’t that inciting racial feelings? - Lakshy
- probably it does, but the main reason is they are desperately in need of non-umno Malay votes. Times have changed and so much has happened since 2004 and they themselves know it’s different now.
They are desperate, and their only hope is to let the dogs out and allow their publicity scumbags come out with all sorts of ridiculous comments, while the PM and his deputy sit and watch and gauge the rakyat’s reaction. Well, they might as well enjoy it while they still can before the fun stops as General Election draws near.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 21.11
Shamsul, do you know that what emgbrl said is true about who is guilty about the may 13 ‘69 incident?
I attended a talk recently where one of the speakers is a retired army personnel. He admitted that he was young at that time of may 13 and was acting under instructions to shoot at the chinese. He apologized for it and can now see that it was wrong.
But umno keeps harping about it. They are the ones that caused it in the first place due to a power struggle and loss to opposition in the elections. Read the history Shamsul. And go deeper.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 23.11
I just saw the interview of Sdr. Lim and Karpal Singh on the detention and one of the curious thing I am wondering is why did Karpal Singh says that Minister of Law, Nazri overeacted.
Why is the detention got to do with Minister of Law rather than Home Affairs? Was this really ultimately pushed by Nazri?
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 24.53
Shamsul, how would you feel if you were a true native (or orang asli) and you see the country being plundered by pendatang from Indonesia etc and you dont share in the wealth? How would you feel?
Who are the orang asli? Ask yourself Shamsul. I believe that even in Sarawak and SAbah, the feelings are coming out and rising. The resentment about the abuses of bn has reached an extent that is not tolerable.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 29.01
“…small nation of Malaysia has enforced a rigid version backed up by Shyriah,with it’s dual legal system thus denying its brothers and sisters the value of a real option to choose, and in this sense is intellectually an underclass when compared to Indonesia.†Greatstuff
Diaper is right about the persecution of ethnic Chinese who happen also to be Christians by Indonesian Muslims condoned and in certain cases encouraged by government security forces. Violence against the Chinese in 1998 was unprecedented as thousands were raped and brutally murdered. Many fled abroad and sought refuge under the United Nation’s asylum laws. At least Malaysia has so far been spared such violence.
Although Indonesians are free to practice religion of their choice, Muslim religious extremism is a very serious issue there. Burning of churches and the large scale killing of Christians were common during the riots of 1998 and still occur today in regions like Maluku where there are large numbers of Christians. Should the Indonesian economy go south the way it did in 1998, a repetition of the kind of racial violence we saw in 1998 is likely as the Indonesian pribumis took it out on the Chinese who numbered a mere 2% of the 200 plus million people and who are generally better off.
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 29.29
Now Shamsul, ask yourself how you would feel if you were an Indian or Chinese born here, as were your parents, and yet an Indonesian can get more rights than you? How would you feel. Be hinest and try to analyse?
How then would you explain the likes of Sanusi Junid and Khir Toyo who are of Indon descent and have greater rights than malaysian born Indians and Chinese despite the fact that they are recent migrants?
Can you begin to even comprehend and understand what others feel?
How about someone like Musa Aman who is the CM of Sabah? What happened to the promised Cm rootation in Sabah? Isn’t umno a newcomer in sabah? Why has the cm rotation stopped at Musa? Musa is a pakistani descendent. What about the Kadazan peoples there? How do you think they feel?
Is Sabah a largely muslim state? How do you thinks the locals feel?
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 31.01
Will AAB be remembered in this song? — “There was a crooked man”
http://www.geocities.com/earlcain2001/crookedman.htm
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 44.46
emgbrl,
Please don’t get too emotional, it will get us no where. Yes, we are all angry and frustrated. We truly are, but we must not take the law into our own hands. Be responsible, use the ballot box and cast your vote wisely. Let’s send the tremors and kick those buggers out!
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 47.40
Take away the symbol of Kris which makes the umno violent. if we malaysian are peaceful people why we need kris?
December 14th, 2007 at 10: 53.35
If BN thinks that they can silence the oppressed Indians by arresting HINDRAF leaders - they are seriously mistaken. The undercurrent of discontent is building up on the ground and make no mistake these HINDRAF leaders are going to enjoy cult status amongst the majority of Indians for their sacrifice to the community. Whilst many Indians will not agree with some of the contents of the HINDRAF’s memorandum put forth to British government especially on “ethnic cleansing” (in its most commonly understood definition) - there are many other valid points such as the economic marginalization of the Indians and indiscriminate destruction of temples etc. Rightfully or wrongfully HINDRAF’s actions has been the best thing that has happened to highlight the plight of the Indians in this country.
By invoking the ISA on the champions of the poorer segments of the Malaysian society, the government has shown gross ineptitude in resolving the issues that now looms to further tarnish the image of the country.
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 02.38
Dear Shamshul Anuar,
You must be one of the Malays who is spoilt due to all the priveleges given ( entering universities without merit, discount for houses, upper hand on government contracts, and the list goes on and on). After reading this, at least wake up to the reality and please begin to understand why you pray 5 times a day. I believe that there is one God and such please don’t make a mockery of yourself by saying that the Malaysian Government is a just government. Let me refresh your memory and Shamshul, I’m not talking non-sense here, as I’m backing it with actual reflections as a Malaysian and reference from a book titled, “Affirmative Action Around the World” by Thomas Sowell from The Hoover Institution, Stanford University.
Let me walk you down memory lane a little to show how systematically the government have been discriminating other races.
The Malaysian ethnic distribution, from a 2001 statistics, found in Sowell (2004), gives the following breakdown of the 23 million people with the following breakdown:
50% Malay (indigenous “sons and daughters of the soilâ€), 24% Chinese, 7% Indian. The remaining 19% of the population consists of Sikhs, Eurasians, etc.
Under the New Economic Policy that was launched to improve the wealth of the indigenous Malays in 1970, the Malays were given more privileges than people from other races. These privileges included better business opportunities in terms of obtaining government contracts, where only companies owned by Malays can obtain such contracts. Another privilege given to the Malays was by imposing on the Housing Developers to give a 10% discount for Malay house buyers. These privileges have become the ‘birth right’ for the Malays until today.
Further, in 1970 too, these privileges crept into the educational system where quotas were implemented for students to get admitted into local or public universities. These quotas were based on the ethnic breakdown like mentioned above. As an example, out of 1000 students who applies to study at the local universities, about 50% of the students must be Malays, about 24% Chinese, 7% Indians, etc. To add further misery to the non-Malays, in the same year too, the English language, which was the language used as the medium of instruction in schools and universities, was changed to the Malay language. This change further declined the number of Chinese and Indian students entering the public universities, as their mastery of the English language was better than that of the Malay language.
At the end of the students’ high school year or what’s called the Form Five in Malaysia, all students are required to sit for a standardized National examination. To pass this National examination, it is compulsory for students to pass the Malay language subject, called ‘Bahasa Malaysia’. The meaning of Bahasa is language. Students who fail the Bahasa Malaysia will automatically fail the whole examination, even if they have scored A’s in all other subjects. This was the birth of the Malay agenda and hence a hidden national agenda. One can imagine what influence this can have on students, especially Chinese, Indian and other ethnic students. Since the National Economic Policy represents an agenda for the Malays and the ruling party, the teachers training colleges and the Universities are always under the scrutiny of the Education Ministry, who ensures that the National Economic Policies are followed and obeyed. As long as the New Economic Policy is followed ‘religiously’, it’s hard to improve the situation.
When the teachers and the University Professors are not allowed to debate upon the educational system, they are forced to be neutral, otherwise they will be charged without any questions asked under the Internal Security Act (ISA), for causing conflict in the minds of people that could cause racial tension and leads to political instability. The ruling party, UMNO clearly is not interested in ending the National Economic Policy in 1990, as planned. As mentioned in Sowell (2004), we can see how comfortable the Malays are with the NEP that they feel very threatened by the very suggestion to end the NEP, a policy without dignity and full of shame.
“Like so many other preferential programs, the New Economy Policy was initially designed to be temporary. It was set to expire in 20 years but, like those in India and Pakistan, has continued on long past the projected cut-off date. In a formal sense, the New Economic Policy ended in 1990 as planned, but was replaced by the National Development Policy, which continued many of the same policies under the new name. When in the year 2000 a Chinese political group suggested that preferences and quotas actually
end, angry responses from the Malay public and the Malaysian government caused the suggestion to be withdrawn”. (p.63)
My greatest discontent with Malaysia today is that the non-Malays are deprived from the most basic commodity in life, the education. Although many non-Malays who scored well in the National exams managed to get into the local universities, but it is still under the quota system. I pray that this inequality will be stopped in the near future.
May God gives courage and strength to those discriminated to stand up and stand tall against injustice. God bless Malaysia.
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 06.53
Shamsul, sadly its in the name of protecting your malays rights that umno claims to be the champion. Do you know how much of this has gone to help business cronies?
How many times has petronas bailed out Bank Bumiputra which was forced to give loans to ‘preferred business partners’. Bank Bumi has been bailed out at least 2 times that I know of.
Who does petronas rightly belong to? Not to the govt but to the rakyat. Remember that petronas gest its wealth from a mineral resource lying under malaysian soil. It belongs to the rakyat not to bn or umno to use or misuse as it pleases. Thats why you need checks and balances in parliament so the Opposition can watch what the ruling party does. The Opposition does not vote against measures that are good for the nation. They do oppose the excesses of the ruling party. And rightly so, for without them , the excesses would be far greater!
Petronas bailed out misc when the former pm’s son needed to dispose of it.
Petronas also bailed out Proton at one time.
Penang Bridge is given to a Bumi company that will then sub-con to a Chinese company to do. So where do we get the skills to do such a project in future? The first bridge was done by the Koreans, and I guess we did not develop our bumi skills at that time either. Croniues get the money, and the project is marked up higher because bn has 92% of parliament. So even if it is marked up by 500%, you and I will be paying for it. Unfortunately we will be leaving this burden for our children and grandchildren and even their grandchildren to shoulder. At that time our children and their children and their children will be cursing us for not having made a stand when we should have.
Why does the government buy weapons and fighter jets for billions of USD through a small firm run by Razak Baginda? Do you think Razak Baginda can finance a deal in the Billions? It should be a government to government deal or direct between our government and the seller. But if you do it like that, how to get and collect the kickbacks? So you use a Razak BAginda company. And you mark up the purchase price and expalin that it includes train ing etc etc. Jeez……….you buy all this? You mean Razak Baginda can arrange better training that the Govt can negotuate? Please Shamsul, think and read between the lines whats going on.
Do you stop to think about what happened to Altantuya as she was the translator for the arms negotiations and knew what had transpired. See the consequences?
See what umno and the people in umno are capable of because we gave them such power.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 12.49
More people like ‘Lakshy’ should join in to educate the typical Umo Bumi like Shamsul who are still very ignorant about the problems faced by the non bumi.Exactly,how would you feel (Shamsul) when the 3rd generation and even the 4th generation born Chinese here are treated worse off than the newly arrived migrants from Indonesia,The Philippines,Bangladesh,Pakistan simply because they are your abang adik muslims?It rubs salt into sore wounds when most of these migrants are unskilled and lowly educated.Does this discrimination policy augur well for the bright future of Malaysia?
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 19.30
US demands due process for arrested Malaysian activists
“Our expectation as a government is that these individuals would be provided the full protections under Malaysian law, that they would be given due process, that they would be accorded all the rights accorded to any other citizen, and that this be done in a speedy and transparent manner,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
http://news.sg.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1147062
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 34.21
YB
People like Shamsul knows all the injustices. No one in his/her right mind will not know it. Need not go panjang lebar trying to convince them.
Hindraf leaders are no superhumans. They just spoke the simple truth. The only different is they are berani enough to say it.
The goverment also knows it. How can one stop one from saying 1+1 does not equals 2? The formula is ISA.
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 36.45
Dear Malaysians,
It is hard to educate those Malays who benefited from UMNO’s racial discriminatory policies. It is like asking them to bite the hand that fed and clothed them!!! Imagine after giving the Malays the NEP TONGKAT/PUTING for > 30 years, suddenly you ask them to walk without it or quit cold turkey!! Mana boleh!!!Sure get withdrawal symptoms what!!!
UMNO Ministers like NAZRI PONDAN,Zainuddin Mamak, Kerismuddin only can grandstand in their “kampung”. Outside their “kampung Malaysia”, they know that their keris has no value againts nuclear weapons of mass destruction.So please stop the UMNO-BN crap about “ketuanan Melayu” when the Tuan is permanently walking with the TONGKAT/PUTING SUSU!!!What a disgrace!Tak-da malu-ke??
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 39.35
Can anyone define “silent majority”?
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 44.24
In 1999, the Chinese community presented the Suqiu document to the Government demanding fairness in Malaysia. The Chinese community was branded as Communist by Mahathir.
In 2007, the Indian community demanding fairness in Malaysia. They are branded as terrorist by Badawi.
The saddest fact is : IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERTHROW THE BN GOVERNMENT THROUGH ELECTION as pointed out by EC Chairman.
Do you think Malaysia still has a future?
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 47.39
UMNO has the perfect solution for those who threaten the power of the KERIS, the ISA of course which is their weapon against MASS DISSENT ie shut everybody up in the name of national security when anything poses a threat to UMNO’s security. They also have the Sedition Laws, Police ACT as their supplementary weapons. Surprisingly all UMNO politicians & cronies have developed life-long immunity to these laws so they are now only applied to helpless common citizens. MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!
December 14th, 2007 at 11: 56.02
Dear Shamshul Anuar,
You have stated that HINDRAF incites the feelings of “Hindus against the Malays”. Please prove to us when this was ever the case. And kindly, please do not point to the mainstream media which spins fairy tales better than Hans Christian Anderson, the Grimm Brothers, and others.
Ordinary Indians do not need HINDRAF to “incite them”. All they need is to see the injustice carried out by politicians. If anything “incited” Indians to protest by the tens of thousands, it would have been the most recent temple demolishment in Kampung Rimba Jaya. Who was responsible for such an incitement? Could it have been one particular Chief Minister? (see “Fracas at the temple” http