No ultimatum only harsh realities – “Time and tide waits for no man”

  1. #1 by monsterball on Sunday, 29 May 2011 - 8:24 pm

    LKS…check your post idiom…”Time and Tide..”

    [Thanks for pointing out the mistake. – kit]

    Cescribing Sabah and Sarawak as “fixed deposit ” States for BN by Najib is an insult.
    Why does he not include Johore as fixed deposit?
    Fixed deposit are souless and brainless…not humans…just robots and do what the owner tells them …what to do.

  2. #2 by Bigjoe on Sunday, 29 May 2011 - 8:29 pm

    Hear! Hear!. Sdr. Lim is absolutely correct and the message should go everyone SNAP, Hindraf, whomever else.

    SAPP and Yong Teck Lee was something big before BUT its all the more reason they should man up instead of griping about this and that. Its not about them, its not even about DAP or PKR, or anyone else its about toppling BN, everything else is secondary because it literally about BN not a viable choice anymore.

    You don’t go against the likes of Gaddafis and worry the other guy standing next to you is not everything you want him to be..You get rid of Gaddafis first.

  3. #3 by tak tahan on Sunday, 29 May 2011 - 11:00 pm

    LKS’s laptop thought it’s a mascot present for June Rubis wrapped up in a fine package but once it’s flipped..LKS talked while working on his laptop.Wow,handphone stylo-milo like James Bond’,one light stroke from the finger,off it goes but no bullets or laser coming out from it.LKS should have scientist incorporated some high-tech into his mission tools.Let’s fight the battle hill together and make it happened for the sake of CHANGE for betterment of our nation.WE must persevere with the hope for CHANGE.monsterball,rest assured your present for your adored,hmm..cute ya? would have been fulfilled by LKS,i believe.

  4. #4 by tak tahan on Sunday, 29 May 2011 - 11:05 pm

    Moderater,tolong la sikit.Penat dan kecewa gua kerana speaking kuailoh sama you pun tak paham..relaks la sikit,jangan terlalu memeras buah…

  5. #5 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:17 am

    I respectfully disagree with PR’s position that defines national political change as being based on (1) a titanic struggle between BN vs PR (2) that those opposed to BN must “unite & join” under a single banner to give PR the additional 30+ seats in Sarawak & Sabah.

    The strategy is not for PR win another 30 seats from East Malaysia but to deny BN that 30 seats. For that to happen Semenanjung PR’s leaders must recognize that foremost in Sarawkian & Sabah’s aspirations is regional political autonomy. This is their main grouse against UMNO/BN. PR therefore has nothing better to offer and bring to the table to advance this central East Malaysian aspiration if it requires East Malaysian political parties & parties (like Sabah’s SAPP & Sarawak’s SNAP) to unite under PR banner, follow its strict dictation on seat allocation that will be perceived there as serving more of PKR’s and DAP’s interest to expand their presence/control at expense of local parties. They don’t want to dislodge one neo colonialist semananjung mster (BN) for another (PR)!

  6. #6 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:39 am

    The strategy should be to allow local home grown parties there (Dayak based in Sarawak & kadazan based in Sabah) to choose their own leaders for CM and contest in areas where their chances of winning against BN are better than PR’s component parties. Enter with them electoral arrangement upon their terms – not PR’s terms – upon understanding of power sharing based on regional autonomy after electoral victory. Electoral victory here does not mean PR having majority seats over BN but BN having nationally less seats than those won in aggregate by PR and those won by local East Malaysian parties. East Malaysian parties need not be allies under PR’s banner when entering into election. (They are deemed allies for so long as they contest against BN).

  7. #7 by monsterball on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:39 am

    Kesian.. tak tahan.
    Saya kena moderated berapa2 kali…sampai saya nak sejut2 otak…balu saya mari ini blog..cuba laga.
    Ini blog..kera tikam2.
    Nasib biak…apa pun boleh cakap…suma kuluar.
    Nasib tak biak….sikit moderator tak suka…kina moderate la.
    Habis semayang baru blog….best.
    Moderator tak patut….kina pulut sakit…berak tak boleh…kuntut tak boleh…kenchin tak boleh.
    Selamat malam.

  8. #8 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:40 am

    Continuing from preceding posting: They become allies when they (coalition of East Malaysian parties) join Semenanjung PR coalition to form the national coalition to rule the country if and after BN loses. PR does not need to rule & make East Malaysia its fixed deposit states in fashion of BN. It should concentrate at federal level and accord regional autonomy as far as possible. That is the direction to go. What PR wants is local East Malaysian politicians to voluntarily cooperate with the larger coalition on their terms and not PR’s terms. Hopefully it will signal more East Malaysian parties to be tempted by this advantage to leave the BN — and together with PR provide the 2/3 majority to effectively rule! If you want to dictate terms you will never break BN’s stranglehold in East Malaysia & never reach Putrajaya when time and tide wait for no man!

  9. #9 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:58 am

    The Opposition just can’t go there (East Malaysia), highlight local issues, stir regional sentiments there against Federal Control by BN and then when it comes to matters of next General election inconsistently dictate to locals there (Jeffrey kitingan or Yong Teck Ling) how to contest under PR’s banner and what to do. For that will be simply exciting aspirations that you you do not and cannot satisfy – that will only unleash a backlash!

    I reiterate: the immediate step is not PR winning BN but BN losing in terms of seats to PR plus combination of local East Malaysian parties contesting under their own banners. You then all come together only after winning GE in this sense (otherwise its academic) but not before GE upon terms that East malaysians must contest under PR’s banner in an epic struggle defined narrowly as consisting only 2 players (ie BN & PR).

  10. #10 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 2:13 am

    30 seats more for PR don’t help. Its a hung parliament! Neither can rule with a simple majority of a 2 or 3 parliamentarians more! If you have more, the other side will buy cross overs; if you have less, the other side couldn’t rule with such a small majority and will do even more drastic things to consolidate power than what was donme in 308! Either way the country will plunge to rough times. You’ve got to think big, bold, drastic and strategic, as what is needed is a paradigm shift in power equation – not a simple majority of 30! Its now or never to do so. Sorry thats the harsh reality.

  11. #11 by Bigjoe on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 8:05 am

    I disagree with those that says that the main desire of Sabah and Sarawak is their desire for regional autonomy – that is the desire of Sabah and Sarawak politicians NOT the people. No doubt regional autonomy is most important in the long run and should be but if it was the most immediate and important thing now, BN would already be out of Sabah and Sarawak. Sabahan and Sarawakians would let the British ruled them now if they thought they could be like Hong Kong – independence can wait.

    The number one desire is delivery of promises – they don’t want to be robbed first and if they are to be part of Malaysia, their fair share of national wealth. Not being robbed means not just their natural resources but also their fundamental rights of which they had before such as their immigration and education rights. Their fair share of national wealth means not just projects but attention to their development especially education and employment especially in the govt.

    Sabahan and Sarawakians know their leaders are feudal – left alone they would be worst than their UMNO counterpart. So, no the average Sabahan and Sarawakians don’t care for regional autonomy if what they get is the same feudal leadership UMNO has. They rather have Lee Kuan Yew and PAP holding the whip.

    So that is why LKS is right. They must join up with PR especially DAP which is the only party incapable of hegemony over Sabah and Sarawak over the long run – the demographic does not make it possible, and deliver them structure and resources to their long term autonomy. Sabahan and Sarawakian politicians may speak of glorious dreams of entirely self-determination but in reality they don’t have the structure and means for it.

  12. #12 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 9:31 am

    East Malaysian states are the king makers holding leverage of who – BN or PR- remains king! This means whoever – BN or PR- favoured will be the coalition that holds the greatest promise of returning these states, as fast as possible, to the spirit and letter of the 18 point and 20 point Agreement that promise regional autonomy. They were wooed in 1963 to join the “marital” union of Malaysia as equal partners and at this moment they feel as a betrayed spouse being shortchanged from wife to concubine!

    I don’t agree that the peoples of Sarawak & Sabah distrust their feudal elites to the extent that they want “husband” LKS or Anwar to hold the whip instead of (say) Najib! See what happens in Sarawak elections where Peh Mor (a Melanau) confidently predicted, and in spite of excesses, got his 2/3! To say that for now “they don’t have the (organisational) structure and means for it” is to make them feel once again denigrated & dictated that Semenanjung people know best!

  13. #13 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 9:39 am

    PR’s role is to work with East Malaysian leaders (the likes of Jeffrey Kitingan, Bernard Dompok, Yong Teik Lee) on equal terms if they were prepared to sever as proxies to Semenanjong’s BN’s bosses? East Malaysians not only want cultural and linguistic autonomy: these are only possible with 1st prerequisite of relative political autonomy of their own leaders. Directives from Anwar or LKS will not suffice. Why would they think PR leaders are any different over the longer run than BN’s – given Anwar’s record there when he was in UMNO and the way PKR conducted itself after 308 in East Malaysia? Even if LKS were “benevolent” like LKY what happens, given his age, when other leaders of DAP run the state in the future?

    I say that the demand for regional autonomy in the spirit of original 18 & 20 point agreement is now. No more talk & no action. That is the crucial lynchpin to win hearts and minds of voters there. However all said, I’m not East Malaysian and in view of the debate on this crucial point of what will be “paradigm shift” to really move the ground in East Malaysia (thanks to Big Joe who has a diametrically opposed take here), we will benefit to hear the voices of East Malaysians here.

  14. #14 by best4rakyat on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 9:42 am

    It is parents day and school holidays season.For LKS also a grandpa for his families why he chose to go all the way and was told he was speaking with ultimatum and harsh for party’s celebration of Kaamatan nite by SAPP and its leaders.

    I think for LKS through years of his politics he always speaks from his mind with no fear.For Sabah,Sarawak and Malaysia and to every malaysian there is no difference for his voice of truth from heart.

    Don’t look at him like before or the same as you look at many other politicians who come upon you to tell you because so long you are faithful to him or respect him.Not for LKS that I know of.

    Agree that ‘time and tide wait no man..’ and wonder how many well wishes from Borneon Political Leaders really go for change because of their people.LKS is not going to gain or take away anything from Borneo like British or BN or UMNO men before today and thereafter!

  15. #15 by k1980 on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 10:28 am

    Time and tide wait for no man”

    But the wait is longer for matasepets and kakibotois. Consider the following—- matasepet and kakibotoi spm students score 10A+ s and are given scholarships to do diploma / matriculation in local unis. Whereas “tuans” who score only 6 A- s are given all-expenses-paid scholarships to study in the us. And I see matasepets and kakibotois screaming “1malaysia”!

  16. #16 by Bigjoe on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 10:33 am

    I don’t disagree there is lost of pride in Sarawakians and Sabahan having to join up with PR but the fact of the matter that boat has sailed especially in Sabah. What is meaningless pride worth?

    Take example Singapore – LKY was no communist but joined up with them because he recognised that their mechanics was superior. LKY is a statist but threw wide opened the doors to multinationals and even now to foreigners. Did LKY NOT want not be tainted as a communist? Did LKY want to have foreigners making huge profits instead of his own GLCs and supporters in Singapore? Did Mahathir wanted to open the floodgates of foreign investment against prior policy of national industrialization? Did Mahathir wanted to work with Chinese private capital instead of from just UMNO?

    The reality is that means is not easy to come by. That is the harsh realities that LKS is trying to say. Pride means nothing if you can’t achieve it. Like it or not Sabahan and Sarawakians don’t have what it takes – UMNO/BN sytematically made sure of it for 4 decades, saying otherwise is committing the same arrogance and mistake as their enemy..

  17. #17 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 11:05 am

    In Pride versus Reality, the latter prevails: pride without reality is hubris. Lee Kuan Yew of course was pragmatist. He earlier rode on Communist tiger, and incarcerated his rival painted as one in Lim Chin Siong. He knew S’pore with limited natural resources could not be an Asian Dragon unless he opened Jurong and a hard working but comparatively cheap labour & graft free and Rule of Law to MNCs. At the end of the day we are debating here, not just what’s reality – but whose reality!

    From our point of view East Malaysians politicains are feudalistically bankrupt and political organisations, nothing compared to DAP. But we must also confront reality that from the ordinary East Malaysian voters’ point of view, whether they want us to help them develop democratic roots. BN has done a horrible job, but the point is how can the PR/Opposition that claims rhetorically more promise to help when by action dictate them to be part of cog of PR machinery? Its not East Malaysian reality that is at forefront – but its PR’s reality, whether it could win Putrajaya without winning hearts and minds of East Malaysians (regional sentiments) first by turning that BN fixed deposit to overdraft. Regional & political autonomy is the return to spirit of 18 & 20 point agreements reneged. We should by words and deeds honour and by action seen to honour that which was agreed.

  18. #18 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 11:15 am

    ///(1) Like it or not Sabahan and Sarawakians don’t have what it takes – (2) UMNO/BN sytematically made sure of it for 4 decades, saying otherwise is committing the same arrogance and mistake as their enemy..///

    My point is (2) does not prove (1). Their parties were emasculated. If UMNO/BN made sure of it for 4 decades by working with and dominating corrupt feudalistic proxies there, it is for PR to, by action, right from beginning (now) show it will do the Opposite of what BN has done, the first step of which is not to tell them that they don’t have what it takes and therefore have to join and come under central control of PR for next election. In my humble opinion that is condescension from arrogance. PR is out of touch with reality because they are the king makers!

  19. #19 by sheriff singh on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 11:58 am

    If PR needs another 30+ seats in the Semenanjung (leaving S+S out for the moment), then it has to make inroads in current BN territory many of which are their strong-holds.

    If PR wants an additional 30 seats, then it should contest and try to win in 40 areas. If it wants 40, then it should aim to win 50 or more (and expect to lose in some).

    The issue is then where can PR win these additional 30 or 40 seats? Where are BN’s weak seats that it can exploit? Has PR started to work on these ‘hot’ and ‘weak’ areas with the view to win noting that there’s not much time left till the next GE?

    How much inroads has PR really made in BN’s strongholds? Don’t think that BN will not play dirty when the time comes as is their norm.

    Methinks any contributions from S+S will be a bonus for PR but remember, S+S can be very fickle-minded and unpredictable. They march to their own drums, tunes and tempos. They can be a big ‘risk’ to either side.

  20. #20 by Bigjoe on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 12:46 pm

    //(1) Like it or not Sabahan and Sarawakians don’t have what it takes – (2) UMNO/BN sytematically made sure of it for 4 decades, saying otherwise is committing the same arrogance and mistake as their enemy..//

    My point is (2) does not prove (1)./// –

    Yes it does for all practical purposes!! LKS point is what can’t be done is not right.

    The worst argument I have ever heard people talk about is the fact that Sabah and Sarawak holds large number of rural seats that decides who is King in Putrajaya. Its besides the point. Putrajaya is THE GOAL, nothing else matter. Its WHO CAN GET TO PUTRAJAYA.. The parties of Sabah and Sarawak can’t even get take over Kuching and Kota Kinabalu without PR particularly DAP much less Putrajaya. If the parties can take over Sabah and Sarawak without PR and in reality if they can do that, they can take over Putrajaya and everyone follows them. But the fact of the matter the kingmaker logic makes absolutely no sense because ANYONE in PR can be a bigger kingmaker than any party from Sabah and Sarawak for a better bargain. DAP is THE kingmaker both in Sabah and Sarawak for the opposition, is it unreasonable for them to make their views known on what is practical? This is how grown ups do it. This is how serious things get done, not theory.

  21. #21 by Jeffrey on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 1:52 pm

    S+S parties alone cannot do much – thats agreed. They are supposed to work in electoral collaboration with PR though under their own banners. Being under PR’s banner is not the only option. Putrajaya is not won by S=S parties or PR alone but the collective no. of seats won by both under their separate banners, and them joining in national coalition.

  22. #22 by Bigjoe on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 2:22 pm

    //Being under PR’s banner is not the only option.//

    Again, LKS point yes it is. Harsh but true. The analogy is simply this – When you are up against the Gaddafis of this world, you get rid of the Gaddafis first and foremost and everything else don’t matter for now. Is there downside, is it possible for minor cooperating parties to be shortchanged later – absolutely but the fact of the matter is, its much worst if you don’t get rid of the Gaddafis..Harsh realities..

  23. #23 by Ray on Monday, 30 May 2011 - 3:16 pm

    The reality is Malaysia Umno Racist(corrupted to the core) government is so Rich YET the Majority rakyats living in poverty hardly even able to hv 1 nutritional meals a day…
    Why?? Why we still want this Umno BN dicriminatory Kerajaan…So Hopeless indeed all these were damn useless and careless lawmakers ..Time to elect a new Team of Better Sincere Lawmakers convicted with Democratic values and Race Opportunity Equality.
    I fully agreed with Blogger Jeffery frankopinions and collective intellectual suggestions.
    BUT first we (all Oppostion parties must be united with sincere intention to win over BN stronly and absolutelyneeds more then halve the Paliamentary seats …to implement revised renew policy benificial to Rakyats and national interest .
    This we means we must draw a fair political contractual agreement regagardless of race religion for the effectivenesss of governance and NOT as an Indivdual Ambition or aspiration to be a politician for power and fame .
    We hv witnessed many rich nation collapsed and suffered as a result of all this Autocratic Ruling and policing.
    Now do we rakayt Malaysia still want Putrajaya remain in Umno Bad hand….the answer is Simple >> NO>>NO Way<>>Today God’s plan is to make home in our hearts for His redeemed people( whosover will regardless of races).
    Lets hope All Opposition Parties >>agreed and unite as Oppsoition Intention to overcome Victory and emerge as strong Victors Teamwork .
    It does not matter whether each Opp Party might hv strong Natives agendas to defends its own locality native needs but must mutually defend against Corruption Heredity ,race religion freedom , and Judicail constitionals Policcies benefit all Rakyats .
    Look for example we still find that a melanau kampong does not hv basic amenities like needs a good network of road transport library ,schools, low cost housing needs, children playgrounds ,farming land and so forth …..if we were elected we will ensure our first priority to implement this fundamental human needs and infrastratures facilities.

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