Who will investigate MACC Chief Commissioner Ahmad Said for abuse of powers and charge him for “corruption”?

Malaysian Anti-Corruption Agency (MACC) Chief Commissioner, Datuk Seri Ahmad Said Hamdan is not shy in being seen as UMNO catspaw, not to fight corruption, but to further Umno’s ulterior motive and political agenda in its undemocratic, unethical, illegal and unconstitutional power grab in Perak.

For the second time since his appointment as MACC Chief Commissioner this year, Ahmad Said has shown his open bias against Pakatan Rakyat when he said in Kuantan yesterday that there were “elements of misuse of power” in the suspension of the usurper Perak Mentri Besar Datuk Dr. Zambry Abdul Kadir and his six illegitimate executive councilors by the Perak State Assembly Committee of Privileges, headed by the Speaker V. Sivakumar.

The first time was last month when Ahmad Said turned the MACC into a national joke, becoming known as “Malaysian Agency for Car and Cows”, when he publicly declared that the agency had “good and strong evidence” of corruption against the Selangor Pakatan Rakyat Mentri Besar Tan Sri Abdul Khalid over the car and cows controversy, destroying whatever credibility the MACC might have among Malaysians that it would be independent, professional and uninfluenced by the dictates of its political masters.

After the nation-wide outrage and furore over Ahmad Said’s statement reducing the agency into a “Malaysian Agency for Car and Cows”, a statement was issued early this month after a meeting of the MACC Advisory Board chaired by the former Chief Justice Tun Abdul Hamid Mohamed that the top MACC officials will not comment on ongoing cases before the investigation papers on the cases are completed or a decision is made by the deputy public prosecutor.

As Ahmad Said has violated this MACC policy in making the premature, misplaced and highly prejudicial statement against the Perak Speaker V. Sivakumar by declaring that there were ”elements of misuse of power” in the suspension of Zambry and the six illegitimate executive councillors, who is going to investigate the MACC Chief Commissioner for “abuse of power” and charge him with corruption as the MACC chief has equated “abuse of power” with corruption under the MACC Act?

This is not the only instance of Ahmad Said’s blatant abuse of power , as even more serious is the MACC’s contempt and reckless disregard for the foundation principle of parliamentary democracy – the doctrine of separation of powers among the executive, legislature and the judidicary whereby every legislature is the master of its own house permitting no interference, harassment or intimidation from the other branches of government.

Whether Zambry and his excos had been properly suspended from the Perak State Legislative Assembly is a matter for the Perak state assembly to decide and not for the MACC to intrude and interfere on behalf of its Umno political masters.

The MACC harassment of the Perak Speaker and state assembly members are all the more reprehensible when there can be no doubt about the propriety about the suspension decision of the Perak Assembly Committee of Privileges as the rules of natural justice including prior notification of the charges and the right to be heard were fully accorded to Zambry and his retinue of six.

Last week, the DAP MP for Puchong, Gobind Singh Deo was suspended for a year without pay and parliamentary privilege in a kangaroo court-style of proceeding in Parliament.

Is the MACC Chief Commissioner going to countenance the summoning, questioning and investigation of the Speaker of Parliament, Tan Sri Pandikar Amin, for “elements of abuse and misuse of power” in not allowing Gobind the fundamental right to be heard before a vote was taken, or for the earlier decision in allowing the Ministerial motion to be tabled without proper notice as stipulated by the Standing Orders or for imposing a guillotine on the debate when there were many MPs who had wanted to speak on such an important issue and were unable to do so?

Of course not, the MACC Chief Commissioner would not dare to think of such an action and I fully agree that such a scenario is completely unacceptable, as the principle that Parliamnet must be master of its own House without interference, harassment or intimidation from the other two branches of government cannot be compromised.

But why is the MACC Chief Commissioner harassing the Perak State Speaker when the notion of committing the same contempt against the Parliament Speaker is so abhorrent?

If this is not abuse of power, I don’t know what is.

  1. #1 by Godfather on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 2:46 pm

    Watch out for this guy who openly condones child pornography by declaring that what was found in his son’s notebook by the Australian authorities is “available on most men’s handphones”.

  2. #2 by ALLAN THAM on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 2:50 pm

    Aiya, YB this question how to answer? As this can not be question there fore it has no answer. If this question can be answer stone can turn to be a monkey.

    any way I would like to highlight why people has that perception on our ACA OR MACCA, you call what you wish it all the same. Perception was that this agency has no tooth even if have tooth the mouth is being controlled by BN. So they only bite when told so, and they only bite who the master want him to bite. So this was the people perception. If you do not agreed, let walk along with Nades.

    Citizen Nades, has written volume on ACA until it re brand into MACC. He has also provide documents as written in his Citizen Nades in the Sun. So what has happen? Nothing? Simply the master told no to bite? Am I wrong?

    We have to come to term now Nothing will come out. This agency has been used by the master. worst during this tax reporting period it remind all you and me that these guys are being pay by you and me ? what an insult.

    Mr. Nades has openly challenge to be charge in court if he has provide false information. but nothing come out they just ignore him as seem he was just barking at the tree.

  3. #3 by Godfather on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 3:18 pm

    Ask Mat Said how it is possible for his son to continue being employed by a GLC after having been convicted in a court of law in Australia for possession of child pornography.

  4. #4 by DAP man on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 3:45 pm

    Ahmad is literally telling Malaysians, “OK, I am an UMNO catpaw. So what?”.
    “I am biased, so what?”

  5. #5 by frankyapp on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 3:54 pm

    Macc’s chief Ahmad Said can say anything to protect his son and his bosses who are umno top leaders. Who will investigate him ?. Well guys,it’s a good question. My answer is none . But he would not excape the guilt as ultimately the almighty God or Allah will judge him and punish him accordingly.

  6. #6 by Godfather on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:31 pm

    There is a scientific term for this Mat Said: Symbiosis. It’s the classic mutually beneficial relationship between a parasite and its host.

  7. #7 by limkamput on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:34 pm

    “Who will investigate MACC Chief Commissioner Ahmad Said for abuse of powers and charge him for “corruption”?”

    Let me think….. no body so long as he does his “job” well and meeting the expectation of people who matter. Didn’t I tell guys earlier – forget about commission here and commission there. It only involves more wasteful spending.

  8. #8 by ringthetill on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:36 pm

    As and ordinary citizen I lament. Is there no redemption, and a way out of the rot? Is there no institutions that we can trust in? Is there no desire to care and make life better for all? I reminisce life in the ’60s & ’70s – simple and clean. And when we have better faith in officialdom.

  9. #9 by One4All4One on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:42 pm

    Haul Ahmad Said to parliament to answer all his above-board shootings and harpings. He must be told in no unclear and uncertain terms that he has no business at all in the state assemblies and parliamentary affairs.

    He cannot be allowed to behave as if he is the law unto himself.
    The system and protocols cannot be compromised and hijacked.

    MACC or whatever government agencies must be seen to be impartial and non-partisan at all times, under whichever federal leadership.

  10. #10 by ringthetill on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:50 pm

    One4All4One, thank you. We don’t need geniuses to come up with the solution. As the they to say, first they have the ‘niat’ and be clear of the reasons for their existence. Then only can they perform without fear or favour. Otherwise, it will be a case of ‘see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil’ to those they do not favour.

  11. #11 by ringthetill on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 4:51 pm

    Sorry I mean, to those they favour!

  12. #12 by yhsiew on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 5:15 pm

    All promises of reforms made by UMNO are empty talks. The reform of the ACA turned out to be worse than not having reform! I suspect Pak Lah wanted to have radical reforms but was stopped by powerful figures in UMNO.

    The sorry state of the MACC will only encourage more corruption and hinder investment flow and impede economic development until PR takes over the federal government.

  13. #13 by lee wee tak_ on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 5:34 pm

    is this the reason why Badawi RUSH through the parliamentary procedures in getting the MACC set up?

  14. #14 by Ramesh Laxman on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 5:44 pm

    Dear YB Brother Lim,

    In the Star yesterdy an Indonesian contract worker was jailed for three months and fined RM1,500 and reprimanded for tarnishing the name of his countrymen by lodging a false report against a police officer whom he accused of having seized his wallet.
    He was lucky to get off so lightly.

  15. #15 by puteri pinang on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 6:31 pm

    Ramesh, the indon won’t get anything worse then that cz he’s a brother in malaysia.

  16. #16 by lopez on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 6:49 pm

    where can like this suppose to be fair , unbiased in thoughts and deeds

    so far i see none…so disqualified him

    shame shame shame

  17. #17 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 6:52 pm

    It is the age old question of who watches the guardian. We have gone down that road before, and nothing came out of it.
    In 2007 allegations against then Director General of ACA Datuk Seri Zulkipli Mat Noor surfaced.

    A former Sabah ACA director Mohamad Ramli Manan alleged in a letter to former IGP Tan Sri Bakri Omar July 2007 that Zulkipi owned several business interests and properties, including six houses in Pagoh, Johor, and that he misused government vehicles to check on the properties and businesses… The allegations were posted by Gerak in a local blog.

    PM Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi called for the probe by the Police into allegations of corruption and abuse of power. The probe included earlier allegations of sexual offence against a woman in July 1997 at the Cheras police station. The woman alleged that Zulkipli had hit her for refusing to have sex with him. Zulkipli denied the allegations. There was then much bourhaha.

    There was then this call by Parliamentary Select Committee on Integrity (PSCI) and its chairman Tan Sri Bernard Dompok to get Zulkipli and those who testified against him to appear before the PSCI. Almost immediately Dompok got into tiff with Datuk Seri Nazri Abdul Aziz“ over their “wide differences in their interpretation of the scope of a parliamentary committee” with Nazri accusing Dompok of being influenced by PSCI Deputy Chairman Lim Kit Siang and Bernard’s rejoinder: “It’s a cheap shot.” Instead it was Bernard who resigned on grounds that he “would not be able to do justice to the tasks assigned to the committee by Parliament.”

    What happened after all the bourhaha? Nothing! Zulkipli just faded away, its the Malaysian ‘Musyawarah’ way. The PM announced that his contract which ended 31st March 2007 would not be renewed and even praised, “the Government takes this opportunity to express the highest gratitude and thanks to Zulkipli for his services as the ACA director-general”.

    The ACA Director General then, like the MACC Commissioner now, holds office “at the pleasure of the Yang di Pertuan Agong subject to the advice of the PM.” In other words – at the pleasure of the PM. So to the question who is going to investigate if the MACC Commissioner himself violated MACC policy in making the premature, misplaced and highly prejudicial statements against Selangor MB and Perak Speaker V. Sivakumar by declaring that there were ”elements of misuse of power”, the answer is the PM.

    Now who is going to do anything if the PM does nothing, then the answer is you would have to bring it up in Parliament and try a motion of no confidence against the PM ie, if Speaker allows it! There’s no other way! :)

  18. #18 by gofortruth on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 7:02 pm

    Pak Lah changed the name ACA to MACC and there you have a REFORM! What a legacy & what an international laughing stock!

  19. #19 by wanderer on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 7:06 pm

    Pr having to confront the ruling govt with unequal battle and still, need to be on guard with so many running dogs and stray dogs roaming in our streets….perhaps, we should ask the game warden to put all these infected dogs to sleep.
    Ahmad Said, how was pedophile porn movies must be giving you quite an excitement…since your son is still flying with MAS, new stock will be available to you soon. Take it easy DOM, you may get a heart attack!

  20. #20 by Onlooker Politics on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 7:12 pm

    The present MACC Chief Commissioner may wrongfully believe that he can enjoy the legal immunity and the monetary indemnity by working in the capacity of the MACC officer even though his behaviour or decision making is involved with abuse of his official power.

    However, the natural justice shall let we the Malaysian people of good conscience be having the final say in this matter. We must give warning to MACC Chief Commissioner now that so long as Pakatan Rakyat is able to take over the Federal Government after the 13th General Election, the MACC Chief Commissioner shall be prosecuted in court for his sheer biased act of violating the MACC Act which involved with the abuse of power. No one officer shall enjoy any legal immunity if such an officer already committed a criminal offence with his abusive behaviour or abusive decision making. MACC Act shall not be regarded as a stupid law solely meant for use by the ruling party in order to launch and manipulate political persecution or political inquisition on the political opponents or the members of Opposition Party.

    If the MACC Chief Commissioner still think that he can be spared from being prosecuted even if he already committed a criminal offence, then he shall consult a much more qualified legal counsel before he has confidence to sleep well after his having done so many unseeming cases of abuse of the official power.

  21. #21 by DAP man on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 8:30 pm

    Sivakumar can fsueAhmad for defamation. MACC has no business to interfere in the affairs of the Assembly and worse, to find him ‘quite guilty’ of wrong doing when there isn’t any.
    Teach this UMNO catpaw a lesson.

  22. #22 by Onlooker Politics on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 9:12 pm

    MACC Act protects the MACC officers from being filed a lawsuit for defamation. Therefore suing Ahmad Said for defamation will most likely be a vain effort.

    The only way to stop Ahmad Said is to warn him that he will be sent into the ISA detention camp for 20 years’ solitary confinement due to his continual conducting the behaviour of political persecution or inquisition on innocent Pakatan Rakyat members as soon as Pakatan Rakyat is able to take over the power of forming the Federal Government.

  23. #23 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 9:21 pm

    MACC is a fart in the quiet of the night – just like limkaput is in Kg. Attap.

  24. #24 by Onlooker Politics on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 9:21 pm

    Somebody may accuse me for being unprincipled since I suggest that Ahmad Said shall be sent to ISA detention camp for 20 years’ solitary confinement if Pakatan Rakyat forms the Federal Government in the future. I can only argue that the only effective method to handle the unprincipled man like Ahmad Said is to act callously against such a stubborn guy as him even if the callous act may imply violation of personal principles or party principles. To bring wrath is the necessary expediency to handle the evil doer.

  25. #25 by Onlooker Politics on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 9:41 pm

    Since the ISA will be the most powerful tool aiding in grapping the political power, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s refusal to abolish the ISA may lay a smooth path for Pakatan Rakyat to take over the rule of the Federal Government effectively in the future.

    Shall Godfather be trained from now on to hold the post of the Commissioner for Special Branch in the shadow government in order to put the ISA into good use against the Umnoputra evil doers in the future?

  26. #26 by limkamput on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 10:00 pm

    MACC is a “leverager” just like 101 undergrad leveraging on the bankrupt US system. Frankly, people like you would not be able to survive in Malaysia because here there is nothing for you to leverage on, got it?

  27. #27 by KennyGan on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 10:11 pm

    Ahmad Said should just shut up. Doesn’t he know he’s already held in public odium and contempt for being Umno’s lapdog? The few cases against Umno members for money politics are nothing more than instructions from the top to act against those on the wrong side of Najib.

    Ahmad Said should not make himself a laughing stock by continuing to issue biased statements against the opposition. Don’t make it worse.

  28. #28 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 11:34 pm

    Ahmad Said as MACC chief is a BIG, BAD JOKE.

    Tun Hamid as MACC Chairman, that’s another BIG, BAD JOKE.

    Now, what’s new?

  29. #29 by Godfather on Saturday, 21 March 2009 - 11:35 pm

    Onlooker Politics:

    It won’t take a genius to take care of the den of thieves. Everything leaves a trail – whether it is money or sms or phone calls. It is just a matter of will – and you can find money being transferred to Perth or Sydney or Singapore. Lifting the cloak of veil is also not difficult – to find out who are the actual beneficiaries of the looting.

    Yes, I will be able to assist PR in investigative work – after all, I made a number of UMNOputras rich during Mamakthir’s tenure.

  30. #30 by Onlooker Politics on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:41 am

    “Yes, I will be able to assist PR in investigative work – after all, I made a number of UMNOputras rich during Mamakthir’s tenure.” (Godfather)

    So, Godfather, are you hinting me that you are the culprit who offerred the bribe to UMNOputras during Mahathir’s tenure? All these while I was inclined to believe that you would be as clean and pure as Virgin Mary. What a great disappointment to hear that you were also a bribe offeror!!!

  31. #31 by Godfather on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:59 am

    I did not take a sen, and I was never offered a sen. All I did was look on helplessly as the UMNOputras helped themselves to the spoils so I know how they work.

    So yes, I was as pure and smooth as a baby’s backside.

  32. #32 by Jason Ng on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 1:13 am

    MACC = umno’s dogs.. it’s that simple.

  33. #33 by Onlooker Politics on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 1:14 am


    Do you know that it is a criminal offence for not lodging a police report when you were situated at a crime site and witnessed the happening of such crimes as bribe offering and bribe taking?

    You had better clear your reputation now otherwise such a highly principled man as Karpal will have to go after you to see whether there is any tainted mark on your buttock!

  34. #34 by Godfather on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 1:18 am

    What makes you think that lodging police reports against UMNOputras during Mamakthir’s tenure would bring any result ? It didn’t work then, and it certainly won’t work now. We just have to change the government.

    Much as I love PR, I don’t think I’d let Karpal see if there is a mark on my buttocks !

  35. #35 by Onlooker Politics on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 1:33 am

    Talking about Mamakthir, perhaps it is good for us to know how Mamakthir get to grasp a good control on the political power even during a big rift between Anwar and him in 1998.

    Let me give you some hints:

    When the Special Branch police officer started to interrogate me in the ISA camp, I told him that Anwar as the Deputy Prime Minister cum the Finance Minister was making a proposal to build more three bedrooms hostel for the Police Force. Why did the Police Officers still want to be obedient to Mamakthir and not reject the order to arrest Anwar?

    The Special Branch Police Officer embarrassingly answered, “We the police in the Special Branch were told to stay loyal only to the Prime Minister and noone else!”

    Very good basic spiritual course for police training! No wonder Mamakthir could stay in power for such a long period as 22 years!

  36. #36 by monsterball on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 2:29 am

    Onlooker Politics….Mahathir could stay in power for 22 years…by establishing himself as a dictator and encourage corruptions…plus selecting his trademark as the most dirtiest UMNO politician….ever produced.
    Making sure the influential people he needed are rich and satisfied….he started to cooked up a case against Anwar…to make sure…all the corrupted acts approved by him…no one dare to challenge him. By replacing 4 DPM…UMNO history keep being made…more and more.
    Glad godfather knows how to protect his backside…from smart Alexes.

  37. #37 by ChinNA on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 3:03 am

    MACC is still new. Give it some time and see what happes with a new PM.

    Guesses anyone?

  38. #38 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 3:26 am

    “Now you tell me why judges and lawyers are not wasters of oxygen! Didn’t I tell you long ago, even before March 8, in our numerous debates that political problems require political solutions, not your stupid courts and laws?” Limkaput

    For someone who thinks that since our car breaks down, and therefore we should stop manufacturing cars and go about swinging from tree to tree, you gotta be thick – very thick.

    Freedom of speech is a fundamental issue – a political issue. Politicians campaign on it, wining or losing elections based on their stand on this one political issue. It is the subject of Article 10 of the country’s constitution. It is the law.

    When you’re caught with your pants down going about your business in the back streets of Kg. Attap, and dragged screaming and kicking to the Jln Bandar Police Station, you’ll be the first to scream foul, asking that you be allowed to talk to your lawyer. Or would you rather wait until the next five years when Malaysians go to the polls? Even if PR takes over, since Article 3 is law they cannot legalize the world’s oldest profession. Freedom of speech does not include pulling your pants down in public.

    Simply saying the Agong can be sued is not seditious at common law. But then in Malaysia, the common law on sedition has been modified by statute which apparently deems such remarks as seditious. Is Karpal Singh supposed to rot in jail and wait until PR takes over the government??

    Who can blame if readers label you retarded?

  39. #39 by slashed on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 3:37 am

    On a different matter, is anything to be done after the aljazeera news piece on Taib Mahmud?


  40. #40 by lopez on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 9:29 am

    what is a resonable man, what is meant by reasonableness….

    this nuthead is way out of line ……..just too much

    intimidated to act by blackmail or what

    see whether is being arm twisted….maybe his case same as hee haw or worse
    blackmailing seem in vogue for anything that need to be done at all

  41. #41 by monsterball on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 9:50 am

    UMNO will create more and more side shows…all performed by their paid servants.
    Since MACC Ahmad Said is obviously an UMNO lapdog…it will be the same over and over again.
    Najib will protect Said as he did for Rustam….saying something idiotic… like..those two are not related issues.
    Want Ahmad Said to be investigated??….you must be joking.
    Najib is soooo happy with his performance…
    And when have you seen any results favouring UMNO performed by a police leader….judge or their successful guys be punished?
    When one is found guilty….just look at Ali Rustam….all powerful in Melaka.
    The man with two Mats….made Tun and Minister….now..fighting to be future PM too.
    UMNO BARU is a party with sick sick politicians……all so greedy for money….never ever enough…want more and more.!!

  42. #42 by sightseeing on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 10:02 am

    ||Do you know that it is a criminal offence for not lodging a police report when you were situated at a crime site and witnessed the happening of such crimes|| Onlooker Politics

    If you are serious then you may have to lodge at least one police report everyday. When the police locked the gate of the Perak DUN to prevent all the ADUN of PR from attending a scheduled meeting is a serious crime. This happened as thousands of people were watching when the crime was committed and was reported live online. Also when those UMNO’s gangsters obstructed Karpal Singh from entering Parliament. Why waste time lodging police report when you already know that any police report against the police and those connected to UMNO will end up in the garbage?

  43. #43 by Godfather on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 10:18 am

    Yes, police reports are useless, MACC reports are useless, letters to the editors of the mainstream press are useless. Even legal actions are useless. Only useful method is to continue to expose these clowns through the alternative media, so that the rakyat becomes more savvy, so that more outrage is expressed.

    Just remember that the time is over for accomodation with the den of thieves. The time to ask ourselves if PR is a better alternative than BN is also over. PR is the ONLY option.

  44. #44 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:11 am

    In any society of people, the governance is placed in the few to govern the rest supposedly to their collective benefit. However self interest will soon see the few with power aggrandise themselves with privileges and riches. It is made easier by the veil of ignorance amongst the masses kept in place by propaganda of those in power. However the many too have common interest of checking the few in power from abusing the exercise of it. This is first principle of politics. This regulation of self interest against common interest is sought to be achieved by constitution and law and institution of judiciary, supposedly independent, to uphold their interpretation. Hence rules and laws (civil or criminal) are made to balance both individual and collective/societal rights and obligations; rules and laws (administrative, company rules) are made both to facilitate decision making by bureaucracy, whether in public or private sector, and to prevent arbitrary decision making in violation of the balance between private and public rights/obligations. Rules and laws (Constitution) are made to regulate what the few could do and how the the collective rest could check and replace them and participate in political decision making via the ballot box.

    Rules and laws are therefore of paramount importance in organisation and evolution of a civilised society. (A nation of laws like the USA has proportionately more lawyers han others and is practically run by them). So how could their practitioners (lawyers) or arbiters (judges) be “wasters of oxygen”?

    Those who say this in frustration are actually not denigrating the importance of rules and law in politics or society or even the important roles of lawyers and judges in this respect in the abstract except that the many specific lawyers and judges have – in carrying out their functions, whether on the benches in the case of judges or in private practice or the Legal/Judicial Service/AG Chambers – abysmally fail to uphold the Rule of Law and Constitution. It is not that they could not divine the purpose/spirit and letter of the rules and laws – though some incompetent in their field would be guilty of it – instead, having divined and grasped the meaning behind the rule and the law, they still seek to thwart and frustrate their intent and effect in service and collaboration with the corrupt and wealthy few in power, hoping to partake in their exclusive privileges. Only in this sense, these lawyers and judges are wasters of oxygen.

    However the same cannot be ascribed to those who keep to the spirit, intent and integrity of the rules law and constitution – like Karpal Singh, Param Cumaraswamy, Malik Imtiaz Sarwar, Zaid Ibrahim (of late) Edmund Bon (Bar Council). Sankara Nair (Bar Council), PKR vice-president Sivarasa Rasiah, ex judges like Syed Ahmad Idid, ex judges like NH Chan KC Vohrah or Shaikh Daud Ismail, and those amongst them who were sacked during TDM’s time for their independence like Tun Salleh Abbas, Tan Sri Eusoffee Abdoolcader, Azmi Kamaruddin, Wan Hamzah and Wan Suleiman Pawanteh, George Edward Seah. Are they all “wasters of oxygen” too just because they could not pressure the powers-that-be to return to the Rule of Law thus far?

    To mention “political problems require political solutions, not your stupid courts and laws” is perilously close to the call by revolutaries. Not all revolutionaries such as Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther. Some are Che Guevara, Osama and in local context Chin Peng.

  45. #45 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:27 am

    If courts and laws are stupid and political problems require political solutions, we are all ears as to what exactly are the “political solutions” proposed here that are viable.

  46. #46 by limkamput on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:38 am

    You should be smart enough to know what i meant by political solutions. If you don’t, then you are not smart. Political solutions are obviously more viable because we know stupid courts and laws has not work, got it? They only work when the cases involved are insignificant and unimportant.

  47. #47 by limkamput on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:42 am

    Courts and laws only work when undergrad2 (provided he is not a member of an opposition political party) was caught soliciting in Kampung Attap in the early hours of the morning.

  48. #48 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:50 am

    I for one am not smart enough to know what I meant by political solutions.

  49. #49 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:53 am

    Sorry I meant – “…what you meant by political solutions….”

  50. #50 by limkamput on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:54 am

    If you have not already known, courts and laws are products of a political system, not the other way round, at least in most developing rogue countries. Under most circumstances, courts and laws are mere accessories serving to further the interests of those abusing the power. Fix the political system first, the courts and laws will take care of themselves. You are putting the cart in front of the horse and expect it to work.

  51. #51 by limkamput on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 11:56 am

    sorry i would not say what political solutions are. you should be smart enough to figure that out. If you are not able, then you are a disappointment to me because i have always considered you smartest among here.

  52. #52 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:00 pm

    However, if you are gifted beyond ordinary with excess of smartness to know the political solutions, which I am sure even YB LKS is looking for, I am sure the rest of us will be enlightened and indebted to hear what these viable political solutions are here.

  53. #53 by k1980 on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:24 pm

    The thieves start falling out over the loot

    Mahatir is pressing the Umno delegates and incoming Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak to freeze Khairy Jamaluddin out of the party and government.

  54. #54 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:39 pm

    ‘…Fix the political system first, the courts and laws will take care of themselves…’ – LimKamPut

    Firstly I assume that “fix the political system” means changing government via ballot box. We all know that though we wonder whether you have faster and more expedient, and more importantly, viable means till then. If so we would like to hear.

    Even so as Undergrad2 has pointed out until such time political system first fixed when “courts and laws will then take care of themselves” does that mean that people like Karpal Singh or (say) Mohd Nizar should not – meanwhile – seek redress via lawyers and legal means from the “stupid courts and laws”?

    Are all government lawyers in courts that bereft of hope that they could decide by the law?

    One recall at least 3 instances where resorting to stupid courts and law is of some utility:

    · Sessions Court judge S.M.Komathy Suppiah gave unexpectedly Anwar bail;

    · On 7th Nov 2008 Shah Alam Court acquitted RPK in respect to his Habeas Corpus against ISA detention, a decision appealed against by the govt;

    · In an appeal by Perak Speaker Sivakumar against Judicial Commissioner Ridwan Ibrahim’s decision that he must use Perak legal state counsel, the Court of Appeal sometime early this month ruled in favour of Sivakumar – that he could engage private lawyers to represent him in two civil suits brought by Datuk Dr Zambry Abdul Kadir and six state executive councillors and three independent assemblymen.

    What would the position of Anwar, RPK or Sivakumar be in the meantime if they forget about the courts and wait for fixing of the political system (when those who are smart enough to know how to fix it are not sharing it)?

  55. #55 by waterfrontcoolie on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 12:54 pm

    Gentlemen, by now we all know the truth. There can be ONLY ONE solution to the nation’s ailment. We all know it. Maybe this blog can be expanded wide enough to let more thinking Malaysians know the truth. This will be the responsiblity of the PR Gomen.
    By the way, in spite of all the talks on Toyol’s black magic, the Selangor PR gomen seemed paralyzed to take any action. It even wamted to condone his moronic plan on the Meru Bus station. Bite the bullet, just let it be if officially reaking the contract can jeopardize PR Gomen. Use your brain build the next bus station nearer if not beside a KTM Commuter station!
    Accept the fact that the KTM Commuter service, though originated by BN, albeit over-priced, it was a good project. Make use of its connectivity to make life a little more palatable to the average working Malayisans who inconvenienced by the moronic, nimcompoop and idiotic planning of the Meru station! Politics for change when change is needed is good but poilitical polemics are certainly of no help to the nation.
    For the time being, both across the divide should accept the will of the people and work towards helping the raayat in facing the economic downturn!!

  56. #56 by limkamput on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 1:42 pm

    The problem with lawyers or wannabes is they tend to take everything in a literal sense. So the courts have decided “favourably” on the three cases you mentioned. But the hard reality is they would have no material consequences (we shall see and I am prepared to wager with you on this).

    Going to courts and using the lawyers are means to buy time and keeping the issues alive – that much I will go. Beyond that they serve no purpose other than giving legitimacy to the abusers of power (within the political system we have today).

    In other words, I am prepared to concede that to courts we ought to go given the limited choice and options the opposition has. But I still maintain that the ultimate solutions to the struggle lie elsewhere in which the opposition must actively explore. I think there is no shortage of ideas on political solutions (if you care to read your own posting earlier). To say it is difficult given the present circumstances. I believe the opposition know what these are. It is the matter of how to bell the cat.

  57. #57 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 4:03 pm

    Well then I don’t have much problem with more qualified content of your preceding posting insofar as you are prepared to concede that “going to courts and using the lawyers are means to buy time and keeping the issues alive – that much I will go” and that “to courts we ought to go given the limited choice and options the opposition has”, which is a far cry from your earlier statement imputing judges and lawyers are “wasters of oxygen” and that political problems require political solutions, not your stupid courts and laws?” etc

    If you were right that ultimately “courts and laws are mere accessories serving to further the interests of those abusing the power” the fault lies not in courts and laws but the people who administer these contrary of what ought to otherwise be the case.

    Until such people are (hopefully) changed, it may be necessary for all to keep alive the idea that courts and laws are still the final arbiter to which recourse and redress are directed, now and in the future, and it does not help to describe them as “stupid” and thereby encourage others to resort to other extra legal and judicial means.

  58. #58 by swee_ann_tweety on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 4:12 pm

    YB Lim K S, today I read with laughter The Sun news, “MACC: Breach of ethics “not criminal in nature” “.

    Does that mean that if I belong to a political party and take a knife and in a violent state, stab somebody in that particular political party and me being violent breached the ethics and this action is not criminal ?

    Wow! It’s time to join A POLITICAL PARTY.

  59. #59 by swee_ann_tweety on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 4:15 pm

    sorry, the above analogy not good. can remove ?

    but the fact that MACC not investigating shows something wrong. does that mean that I can give out bribes as a politician and get away with it ?

  60. #60 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 4:43 pm

    In furtherance of what swee_ann_tweety posted at 16: 12.51 above, I agree that a breach of party ethics and discipline is not necessarily criminal in nature.

    For example Datuk Sharir Abdul Samad supported the opposition motion to refer Jasin MP to Parliament Rights and Privileges Committee. It was a breach of party ethics – Shahrir was punished by having to quit as chairman of the Backbenchers Club Chairman –but it has to be differentiated that what Shahrir did was not criminal. There is then a case for differentiation between the two!

    Money politics however comes under the definition of corruption under MACC Act. Even the MACC Commissioner was reportedly quoted as having opined so.

    The fact that money politics is also an infringement party ethics and discipline does not by itself divest it off its criminal nature.

    Therefore the fact that money politics comes under purview of party ethics and discipline does not – by whatever the outcome of internal party disciplinary hearings – exempt it from purview and investigations under MACC.

    There is no justification here for differentiating a breach of party ethics and discipline from that (money politics) which is also criminal in nature.

    Law is but a neutral instrument which is often used by the guilty and the corrupt as well as the innocent and clean for their respective if conflicting purposes.

    Indeed this underscores the importance that the latter category of people just cannot afford not to be equipped by a working knowledge of the law to combat twisting, falsehood and misrepresentation.

    It is so easily twisted by the other side to serve less meritorious, and often self interested or corrupt purposes.

  61. #61 by OrangRojak on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 4:44 pm

    … not good. can remove ?
    What do you think this is? The Immigration Department?

  62. #62 by lopez on Sunday, 22 March 2009 - 10:38 pm

    so much energies blaming and picking others from afar….and denouncing others from afar..

    as if all answers are available if only they have asked the right persons

    barking barkingand more barking of other people mistakes…the biggest mistake is by those who only found out after 50 years later but have enjoyed some benefits and awoken up but at a costs a very expensive one.,,,,your future now

  63. #63 by voice out on Monday, 23 March 2009 - 12:40 am

    what happen to the evidence towards MB Selangor ? bout the moeny spend on cows..??? Why so quiet now ? Why MACC not taking action on UMNO corrupted minister? Why it was so fast taking action towards to MB Selangor and Perak Speaker ?

    Tell me Malaysian ???? I really dont know

  64. #64 by monsterball on Monday, 23 March 2009 - 1:17 am

    All that have ate the beef have…f….ed…MACC guys!
    PAS spiritual leader Aziz told Khalid to continue every year.
    The above shut MACC mouth…got it..”voice out”?

  65. #65 by Onlooker Politics on Monday, 23 March 2009 - 11:23 am

    “Why waste time lodging police report when you already know that any police report against the police and those connected to UMNO will end up in the garbage?” (Sightseeing)

    Since there is no time limit for the investigation and prosecution in court on a suspect of a criminal offence, lodging a police report now as soon as someone is aware of the truth that a criminal offence has been committed by the suspect is very important. It is important because this police report can then be reopened a file by the new Public Prosecutor who will be appointed based on the advice of PR Federal Government to the Agong in the future. There is no much more effective way now to adopt a checks-and-balances measure against abuse of official power by the legal enforcement units other than to impose a deterring force on the ruling party members from committing a crime deliberately due to arrogance and indulgence by the ruling party.

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