Will the Sodomy II charge against Anwar be withdrawn if he swears on the Quran?


The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said yesterday that it was up to Anwar Ibrahm to swear on the Quran and clear his name.

Will the criminal charge of Sodomy II against Anwar under Section 377B under the Penal Code for consensual sodomy be withdrawn if Anwar swears on the Quran?

If not, what is the point or purpose of Abdullah making such a statement, except to underline his bias and prejudice against Anwar?

Abdullah reiterated that “Saiful was a victim in the issue”.

In one fell swoop, he Prime Minister has again become judge, prosecutor and accuser all in one. If Abdullah is convinced that Saiful is the “victim” in the sodomy charge against Anwar, even before the date for hearing has been fixed, who can expect a fair trial for Anwar?

It is most improper and completely unthinkable that a Prime Minister can make the type of comments prejudicing a fair trial for Anwar, as reported in the Star today:

Ball in Anwar’s court, says Abdullah

BUTTERWORTH: It is up to PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to swear on the Quran and clear his name, said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

“It is up to him to decide what he wants to do. He should know what is best for him,” he said after meeting Chinese and Malay community leaders here yesterday.

Commenting on Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan’s declaration at the Federal Territory mosque on Friday that Anwar had sodomised him, he said the manner Saiful took the oath followed Islamic practice and law.

“We must respect a person who seeks justice when he professes that something unlawful was done to him. It is a personal matter and we should not question his sincerity.”

Abdullah reminded the people that Saiful was a victim in the issue.

He said Saiful made a personal decision to swear on the Quran, a move that is not taken lightly by a Muslim.

  1. #1 by NewDAP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:51 am

    If a dog swears that it was sodomised by ABB, will ABB has to swear on Quran to clear his name?

  2. #2 by izrafeil on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:56 am

    as far as i know it, this is being charged in the civil court, swearing has nothing to do with it…, why bring God in this tangled mess… also THNA mentioned that the swearing is not Islamic….

  3. #3 by mohrafael on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:09 am

    1. How can PM keep repeating such biased remarks when it’s still pending court process?
    2. Leave it entirely to the court. Things like I swear upon God, etc remind me of my childhood… “I swear already, and now your turn lah”.
    3. I don’t place any importance in such “swearing upon Bible or God”, as in this world, anything is possible in politics.

  4. #4 by Freddy on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:10 am

    Shame on you, Badawi! Is this what your Islam Hadhari is all about? If this is Islam, I’d prefer PAS’ brand.

    Quote Tok Guru:

    “Kalau masa saya muda kemudian jadi begini, saya akan bertumbuk,” katanya ketika diminta mengulas mengenai dakwaan beberapa penyokong Barisan Nasional (BN) yang menggunakan gambar-gambar yang tidak senonoh bagi tujuan menjatuhkan maruah calon Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.

    Menurut beliau, Islam tidak mengesyor menjatuhkan maruah pihak lawan untuk memenangi sesuatu perkara.

    Nik Aziz juga mempersoalkan tindakan BN yang menggunakan isu sumpah bekas pembantu Anwar, Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan sehari sebelum hari penamaan calon bagi kawasan Parlimen Permatang Pauh.

  5. #5 by ALtPJK on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:13 am

    YB, do you mean “accuser” in your line……”In one fell swoop, he Prime Minister has again become judge, prosecutor and accused all in one.”.

    [Thanks. Corrected. Kit]

  6. #6 by hasilox on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:19 am

    If all the people in the jail swear on quran that they have been sodomised by the police into conviction, does that make them victims automatically? Going by the idiocy on handling of the issue, there is only one explanation, it’s a sick sham.

    Go to sleep, dear badawi. Compare to this, sleeping makes you look elegant.

  7. #7 by Freddy on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:20 am

    At least there’s a piece of good news this morning coming from Perak Gerakan whose delegates, 378 of them, wishing to stop dancing to the song ‘Limbo Rock’!!

    Yeah, Limbo Rock ….. How low can you go??? and it’s an all time favourite of BN ….

    I’m sure there are many smart fellas out there who can change a few words to this Limbo Rock to reflect BN, huh?

    Every limbo boy and girl,
    All around the limbo world,
    Gonna do the limbo rock,
    All around the limbo block.

    Jack be limbo, Jack be quick.
    Jack go unda’ limbo stick.
    All around the limbo block,
    Hey, let’s do the limbo rock.
    Ah, hahaha-how!

    Limbo lower now.
    Limbo lower now.
    How low can you go?

    First you spread your limbo feet.
    Then you move to limbo beat.
    Limbo ankle, limbo knee,
    Bend back like a limbo tree.

    Jack be limbo, Jack be quick,
    Jack go unda’ limbo stick.
    All around the limbo clock,

    Hey, let’s do the limbo rock
    Oh, hohoho-haha

    [ Instrumental break with la-la’s. ]

    Get yourself a limbo girl,
    Give that chick a limbo whirl.
    There’s a limbo moon above,
    You will fall in limbo love.

    Jack be limbo, Jack be quick,
    Jack go unda’ limbo stick.
    All around the limbo block,
    Hey, let’s do the limbo rock.
    Oo-hoo-hoo, haha.

    Don’t move that limbo bar.
    You’ll be a limbo star.
    How low can you go?

    [ Whistling till end. ]

  8. #8 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:35 am

    Mahathir mentioned that Anwar should do the same thing.

    Then, can we ask Mahathir to swear on Koran that Sodomy I was not a political conspiracy initiated by him?

  9. #9 by blablowbla on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:37 am

    wat a shame on u faklah!
    does it do any help if chinese were to go to the temple to cut the cock’s head n sware to God?
    yes,indeed,instead of bringing the nation forward,bcos u r incompetent,u want us to go back to ancient moment of practises!
    useless ppl make nonsense remarks!

  10. #10 by NewDAP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:39 am

    good night ABB…..have a sweet dream…..

  11. #11 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:40 am

    With this continuous statements from Abdullah, Najxb and other UMNO members, I call this last BN cabinet the Sodomy Cabinet

  12. #12 by MPSPK on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:40 am

    Badawi is not sane….

  13. #13 by boh-liao on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:52 am

    Our PM, a learned Muslim scholar, had spoken. Obviously AAB had transformed himself to be a learned lawyer and judge as well. He had decided, by a simple and instant way, and pronounced tot he world that Saiful was a victim and his saihole had been penetrated. Quod erat demonstrandum or simply QED.

  14. #14 by newchief on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:53 am

    anyone wanting to give me RM1,000,000 so that i can Swear on the Quran, Bible or cut a cock’s head at the temple? If so, let me know fast and i will do it LIVE on National TV!!! ha..ha..ha

    All tis swearing are just like kids play. At least i see some WISE Politicians coming out to condemn this act & also seeing some STUPID Politicians supporting tis act namely Bodowi & i didn’t expect the wise Mathatir TOO to dare anwar to Swear !!! Luckily anwar is WISE as this is not practice in ISLAM !!

    By admitting himself has been ‘sodomised’ , I hope the Syariah Court will take IMMEDIATE PUNISHMENT against him so as to maintain ISLAM religion as a RESPECTFUL & FAIR religion which noone can just play play or fool around with by the rakyat!!!

  15. #15 by richard.wong8 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:53 am

    Leave Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim alone. He is a victim of being accused of wrong doings.
    If PM can tell Malaysians to leave Saiful alone, same should be said for DSAI.

  16. #16 by thaiming on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:56 am

    ABB now also care about ppl’s buttock…..when they r weak onli, they will use anything to turnaround even the poor boy’s btock!!!
    wat a pity!!!!….bolehland

  17. #17 by boh-liao on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:57 am

    Looks like AAB is encouraging the trend of proving one’s innocence: Hold a holy book in one’s hand and say “I swear to tell the truth, the hole truth, nothing but the truth, so help me god.”

  18. #18 by malaysia-united on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:00 am

    “I swear, by the moon and the stars in the sky…” really childish and funny…

    I think the AAB or Tun M had infected with Alzheimer’s Disease, where they lost they logic, loss they speech and behave like a small child. Our contry run by these peoples? OMG…

  19. #19 by Jimm on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:01 am

    Both PMs should be swearing on the Quran thatthey did not swindle our coutry wealth fortheir own cronies.
    I strongly believe that Quran teachings also disallowed any form of wealth swindling.
    Can both of them do that ?
    No one should challenge God’s Will and His Words.
    We. human are too much at times of tryingto be a GOD ourselves.
    To me, the worst is yet to come for these two clown PMs to witness their mistakes and greed actions.

  20. #20 by alikim on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:01 am

    This is the time that we will witness God’s power unto those who “buat main main ” with Allah.
    This is the time that we also will have a chance to witness the existence of God to ensure justice is done!

  21. #21 by Bigjoe on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:04 am

    Everything I have read about this swearing thing is its pandering to the lowest common denominator. The worst instincts of people, their ignorance, their vanity and pride, for simple solutions, etc.

    What is the wrong with our leaders calling for people to rise above themselves BUT THEY DON’T SEE THE NEED TO RISE TO THE LOWEST STANDARD OF BEHAVIOUR?

    I am sure they have convinced themselves that its realism. I however, am not convinced its realism and excusable. Its just plain crap behaviour. Its no different than a parents who tell their children to behave properly but they go and do all the wrong things. Its just hypocrisy and irressponsibilities. A bankruptcy of ideas and being lost.

  22. #22 by taiking on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:04 am

    It is clear that Badawi does not seem to know what he is doing. Swearing on the koran to clear one’s name is certainly odd when one is at the same time facing criminal prosecution. What can the criminal judge make of the act of swearing on the koran? Our law is it stands, does not recognise such a thing. In fact and in all probability, the judge would take no note of the swearing.

    What if indeed (pardon my ignorance of the islam religion) swearing on the koran has the divine effect of clearing one’s name? Than wouldnt the judge be caught in a real bind? Man-made law vs divine law – which one would over-reach the other?

    Fortunately, I dont think the courts would be locked in such quandary because the gibberish speaking honourable gentleman is expiring soon together with his band of similarly abled and gibberish speaking Lieutenant-gentlemen.

  23. #23 by musyu99 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:06 am

    Sokong….
    Kalau Anwar angkat sumpah mengikut cara SialFool menjunjung Quran ajaran ala Islam hadhari… dan Anwar tidak mengaku [email protected]… adakah perbicaraan di mahkamah di tarik balik???

    Memang bodoh punya Pak Lah… dia tak tahu apa yang dia cakap… sama juga dengan Najib mahu rakyat menilai sendiri sumpah SialFool..

    Yes.. kita semua bersedia untuk menerima PR bagi membentuk sebuah kerajaan yang adil.. pastikan penyangak2 besar yang bermaharajalela dihukum..

  24. #24 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:11 am

    We will see Saiful’s butt one day, when it will be canned by the rotan, by the Syriah court

  25. #25 by Jeffrey on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:17 am

    Those who seek to incriminate Anwar based on his accuser’s swearing on Quran and Anwar’s not having done so are now in a bind facing a very knotty and intractable problem when the charge against Anwar under section 377B is that of consensual sodomy.

    From perspectives of Religion : Sodomy is a capital offence in Islam. If the official charge against Anwar is that of consensual sodomy, it implies that the accuser/complainant is a willing participant in the unnatural act contrary to Islamic tenets. This further logically infers that the act of swearing on the Quran by an accuser/complainant – already in breach of Islamic tenets – cannot be relied upon by faithfuls as testimony of the truth of what occurred. Take the example of a robber or thief whose act of robbery and theft is un-Islamic. Can a robber and thief be given credence if he were to swear his innocence on the holy book that he was forced to rob or steal?

    From perspectives of Secular Penal Code : If the accuser/complainant made the first police report based on non-consensual sodomy which is buttressed further by his taking an oath to testify to the act had been forced upon him, a charge based otherwise on “consensual” sodomy must fail by reason of it not corresponding with and contradictory to what the accuser/complainant himself alleges.

    Reason : if the claims of the accuser of anal rape were not reflected in the criminal charge – the criminal charge having focused on consensual anal sex – it implies (1) that prosecution does not have evidence supporting the claims of the accuser/complainant of anal rape; (2) in ordinary instances this would be enough to stop prosecution but if prosecution were nevertheless persisted based on a different set of events introduced (ie consensual anal sex) entirely different from that claimed by the accuser (ie non consensual anal sex), such a prosecution will, in third parties’ minds, immediately smack of unjust persecution and incrimination (3) all other claims of prosecuting being justified on grounds of doing justice to the accuser would look hollow and farce because one cannot possibly do justice to someone alleging that he was involuntarily sodomised by a charge that implicates the acuser/complainant as a wiling consensual participant!

    Based on the above, it is clear that whether one proceeds on the religious angle or angle of prosecution under secular law, both approaches do not seem to lend much credibility to efforts to incriminate the accused.

    Going forward, if an attempt here is further made to inciminate the accused based on the “double insurance” of either the religious aproach or the secular legal approach, whichever the more successful (though both aproaches have already been shown inadequate above), then this persistence to incriminate at all costs will reflect bias and ill will on the part of the authorities, which will, as an unintended consequence, serve the greater political interest of the one accused instead, perceived by public as a victim of political persecution in the Permatang Puah by election, especially against the back drop of BN’s leaders’ public defence of the accuser/complainant in the media…..

  26. #26 by Freddy on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:20 am

    Bodowi is seriously bent on making Malaysia a pariah state! No shame at all!!! How low is Malaysia now in global ranking? Lower than Zimbabwe now? My goodness!!! Limbo Rock …. How Low Can You Go?

    Good thing Perak Gerakan is thinking of leaving BN.

  27. #27 by Jimm on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:21 am

    The Done Master , why don’t you swear under the Quran that DSAI’s 1st case was true based on your decision and that the court have finally over ruled it right after you have stepped down as PM.

  28. #28 by parameswara on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:22 am

    wow! if beEnd stays in power, everyday there will be swearing sessions.

    mosques, churches, commissioner of oath, wah! very busy.
    so many headless chickens.

  29. #29 by Jimm on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:23 am

    Our Done Played Master also have to swear that he is not doing anything wrong in the places before ….. he is just having fun.

  30. #30 by batman_1 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:25 am

    IS this swearing consider part of Islamic laws? Even PAS leaders are not welcoming this action claiming it is not right.
    If this action can be accepted, shall we say , we are relying Islamic laws to verdit this case?

  31. #31 by NewDAP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:25 am

    Did najis swear on the Quran at a mosque that he did not involve in the murder of Atlantuya?
    Why TDM did not asked him to swear but asked DSAI to swear?

  32. #32 by k1980 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:26 am

    All the muslim detainees especially on Death Row will swear on the Q and all will be forgiven and freed! Including those in Guantanomo Bay!

  33. #33 by Jimm on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:29 am

    Now, everybody start to believe that God Almighty is above all …

  34. #34 by milduser on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:30 am

    What is this dumb head PM talking about? Can you imagine a leader of our country talking illogical nonsense for the whole world to hear! What a shame. This thick skin, sleepy dumb fool crown just expose his IQ, probably <50 points. He has yet again make a real mockery of our already battered judiciary and rule of law by his STUPID comments.

    Anyway, it appears to me there are 3 forms of justice in Malaysia, namely

    1) the common law (inheritance form the west), 2) the Muslim religious justice
    3) the politically correct justice.

    In essence, the common law justice states that one is innocent until proven guilty whereas religious justice need the victim/accused to declare their innocence by evoking the name of God. The politically correct justice will be one that is expedient for the political survival of the person – that is engage in the game of public perception or opinion.

    So you have it, the 3 calls for DSAI to:

    1) wait to be proven guilty by the rule of law, thus the section 337B penal code charge.
    2) be found guilty if he does not dare to swear on the Koran – a call by PM to DSAI do so.
    3) commit political suicidal if he does not make a declaration of his innocence (maybe SD will do if he does not want to swear) – as suggested by the ex-PM.

    So what’s the point. He will be found guilty in all three fronts. That’s how low a corrupt and bankrupt ruling government will go to prosecute their political enemies.

  35. #35 by Freddy on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:32 am

    milduser Says:
    Today at 10: 30.02 (40 seconds ago)

    What is this dumb head PM talking about? Can you imagine a leader of our country talking illogical nonsense for the whole world to hear! What a shame. This thick skin, sleepy dumb fool crown just expose his IQ, probably <50 points. He has yet again make a real mockery of our already battered judiciary and rule of law by his STUPID comments.

    =====

    hahahahahahahaha too bad Beijing Olympics don’t have a category for the most Idiotic Prime Minister or otherwise we could have won a gold medal…. hahahaha

  36. #36 by Godfather on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:32 am

    Can Najis swear that he and his family has no interest whatsoever in the commissions paid on the major defence contracts ? Can KJ swear that he and his mother has no role in the analysis of various concessions about to be awarded by the government ? Can Badawi swear that the Perth Nasi Kandar restaurant never benefited from a government grant ? Can JJ swear that he never paid off the female complainant in a recent molest case ? Can the AG and IGP swear that they never fabricated evidence against Anwar ?

    Can Kasim Amat swear that the Barang Naik consortium never stole from the rakyat’s funds ?

  37. #37 by badak on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:33 am

    Like i said earlier SAIFUL,s swearing is a slap on ISLAM.Pak Lah Why not close “” The Palace of Justice”” Turn it in to a Five Star hotel.All lawyers be employed as waitress and waiters.All judges can be IMAN.safe alot of time .All those who break the law just have to swear in a mosque no matter what their religion .Those who don,t swear are guilty.case close

  38. #38 by taiking on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:42 am

    As a matter of fact, I like this swearing business.

    Swear and be exonerated.

    Wonderful isnt it.

    Shall we all turn malaysia into a swearing country.

    Pass a Swearing Act 2008.

    Set up a Swearing University and give it premier university status.

    With foreign students and a large research fund.

    We can teach the world to swear.

    We can devise various ways and means and methods for swearing.

    Turn it into a art.

    Oh the possibilities are never ending.

    KJ interested?

  39. #39 by badak on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:43 am

    Uncle Lim,After reading the papers today ,It clearly showed that all MSMs are out to tarnish DSAI and PR.All papers reported about the bashing of a reporter.
    Uncle Lim .PR must set up a group of selected PR members just to go around to see that all PR members behave themself.We just can,t trust the police in doing their job.Not all the problem is started by PR members .UMNO,s agent will start the argument or throw the first stone and run away ,leaving PR to take the blame it happen before.

  40. #40 by JeyS on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:51 am

    What a load of c**k b**ls*i*!!!!!!! Go run the country and not asking DSAI to swear on your holy book! God this man has nothing better to do isit??

    Lord why you have given us such a dingbat to run this country!!??

    Its so obvious which side AAB is in…..THE DARKSIDE!

  41. #41 by ahkok1982 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:59 am

    Hey, DSAI is being charged for having sex against the order of nature. If the gov says that it was consensual sodomy, then why is saiful also not being charged for being poked?

  42. #42 by Captain on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:59 am

    Penangites must be reminded over and over again NOT TO VOTE UMNO candidates in election because these people are openly fighting to cancel all vital projects Badawi promised to penang.

    Voting another MP from them will only make it worse for Penang people. They will go to Parliament only to further sabotage future development for Penang.

    Recall that immediately after march 2008 election, all UMNO leaders asked the Federal Govt. to cancel all projects promised to Penang saying Penang people do not need the PORR. Monorail and 2nd Bridge. Is it true?

    UMNO leaders are traitors to Penang. If now they come and promise projects at Permatang Pauh campaign, they will be speaking with forked tongue. These are people who kept destroyed 50 years of malaysian unity and continue to sabotage our ‘perpaduan’.

    UMNO leaders are thieves. DO NOT VOTE FOR UMNO.

  43. #43 by yhsiew on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:00 am

    UMNO is unlikely to withdraw the Sodomy II charge against Anwar. The recent events, which UMNO claimed were coincidence, showed that UMNO is determined to destroy Anwar’s political future, e.g. Anwar was arrested by the police almost immediately after the polling date for the Permatang Pauh by-election was announced and Saiful swore by the Quran a day before the nomination day. All these events had been immaculately timed to discredit Anwar in the Permatang Pauh by-election. These events also lent credence to the Opposition’s claim that UMNO is manipulating Saiful, the police, judiciary and EC.

  44. #44 by passerby on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:03 am

    AAB. Anwar has sought the blessing of allah in this election. Will you accept that if he wins this election, allah has confirm that he is innocent, Saiful is a liar and you are an idiot?

  45. #45 by js on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:05 am

    I really do not understand why BN keeps on using this sodomy issue to gain votes. BN should focus more on the development of country.

  46. #46 by madmix on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:08 am

    I think PKR should make a police report against Saiful and those who encourage this swearing business including Abdullah. They are trying to pervert justice by influencing the judge who will hear the sodomy case. The judge will of course not be influenced, but this swearing business is an attempt do do so to make the key witness sound more credible and convincing.
    Imagine during the hearing: DPP: our witness PW1 is reliable, religious and God fearing person who has sworn in a mosque calling upon the wrath of Allah upon himself and his faimily should he be lying. I submit that PW1’s testimony is truthful and unwavering while the accused fearing the wrath of Allah dare not swear in a mosque.

  47. #47 by Patek 1472 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:10 am

    Nostrdamus Predictions on Possibilities In Malaysia.
    Ramalan Nostradamus atas Kemungkinan-kemungkinan di Malaysia.

    1. Is it possible that DSAI wins the Permatang Pauh elections and become the next Chief Minister of Penang as a stepping stone to becoming Prime Minister?
    Adakah mungkinnya DSAI memenangi pilihan raya Permatang Pauh dan menjadi Ketua Menteri Pulau Pinang sebelum menjadi Perdana Menteri?

    2. Is it possible that DSAB resign as PM of Malaysia after the Permatang Pauh elections and handover to DSNTR earlier than expected?
    Adakah mungkinnya DSAB meletak jawatan sebagai PM Malaysia selepas pilihan raya Permatang Pauh dan menyerahkannya kepada DSNTR lebih awal dari jangkaan?

    3. Is it possible that UMNO and PKR will combine to form a new party?
    Adakah mungkinnya UMNO dan PKR akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?

    4. Is it possible that all other component parties of BN without UMNO will combine with PKR to form a new party?
    Adakah mungkinnya parti-parti komponen BN lain kecuali UMNO akan bergabung dengan PKR untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?

    5. Is it possible that PKR and PAS will combine to form a new party?
    Adakah mungkinnya PKR dan PAS akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru?

    6. Is it possible that PKR, DAP and HINDRAF will combine to form a new party?
    Adakah mungkinnya PKR,DAP dan HINDRAF akan bergabung untuk membentuk sebuah parti baru.

    7. Is it possible that TDM and all other Little Napoleons knows of these possibilities and are preparing to migrate?
    Adakah mungkinnya TDM dan semua “Little Napoleons” mengetahui kemungkinan-kemungkinan ini dan sedang bersedia untuk berhijrah?

    To be continued…….
    Akan disambung……

    http://patek1472.wordpress.com

  48. #48 by Mr Tan. on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:12 am

    Nobody can denies that this whole sodomy case is a political conspiracy cooked-up by UMNO or Najib( since Saiful reported to him personally).

    If Saiful Bukhari is really as innocent as he cliams himself to be, to the stage where he sweared on the Quaran, how do you explain his own confession that he has been sodomized 8 times by Anwar?.

    A nomal rape or sodomy victim would have gone to the police station to lodge a report after being raped or sodomized and with the semen of the intruder or culprit still inside his or her private part or anus as evidence, this would be 100% proof since they can proof with DNA that the semen belongs to who.

    Why Saiful did not do this since he has 8 chances or incidents when the proof is still in him.

    Obviously, if the allegation is true, it is either Saiful has enjoyed the anal sex or he has been sweet talked as many as 8 times by Anwar in their 8 love affairs or encounters to do it.

    A tall 23 years old young chap can definitely overcome a 61 years old Anwar if he was forced into anal sex.

    And as a true raped victim, he would have lodged a report at the nearest police station after being raped the first time and not the 8th time.

    As Abdullah has reiterated that (Siaful was a victim in this issue),
    I feel that what he meant was Saiful was a victim of one of the many of the UMNO political conspiracies. Saiful was actually being used by UMNO.

    By swearing on the Quaran after having 8 sodomy affairs with Anwar if it is true is really an insult to all muslims in this world.

  49. #49 by Samuel Goh Kim Eng on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:18 am

    Don’t we already have enough confusion
    Why bring in more matters for diffusion
    With unnecessary remarks added in profusion
    All of which only bring about more fission

    (C)Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 180808
    http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
    Mon. 18th Aug. 2008.

  50. #50 by yhsiew on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:19 am

    All criminals in Malaysia including murderers should convert to Muslim and swear by the Quran to free themselves from going to the gallows or being locked up in jail – the conversion is well worth it!

  51. #51 by NewDAP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:23 am

    Why AAB did not swear that UMNO is not manipulating saiful?
    AAB, the ball is in your court….

  52. #52 by adoionline on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:23 am

    Badawi says: “We should not question Saiful’s sincerity.” What???? Oh, I see… what he REALLY means is: “We should not question my personal honor and Umno’s viability as a political party.”

    Sad, sad, sad, very, very sad lah. From being everybody’s Uncle Dollah (Pak Lah) to being so vehemently despised and despicable… in less than 5 years as PM.
    There must be truth in the popular perception that the poor man has been totally contaminated by close proximity with his utterly evil son-in-law.

  53. #53 by Yee Siew Wah on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:25 am

    This sleepy flip flop lame guy PM is talking in his sleep again. This time on “Sai the FOOL”. Look at his stupid face wen he talked, u vomit la… “Sai the FOOL” has given Islam a bad image. If any real murderers rapists etc… can just swear by the beloved Koran that we we did not do these, then it makes a mockery of the Holy Koran. He dare not face DSAI in court face to face. Just look at MalaysianToday, RPK has posted a letter and SD by the medical examiner on “Sai the FOOL”. This showed that the present bunch of g_ons running the country is trying to destroy DSAI at all cost irrespective.
    All responsible citizens must let the rakyat know of this conspiracy. Bring this thing out in the open to Permatang Puah voters so that they will not be conned by these dirty idi_ts.
    To all voters in Permatang, stand up and fight these go_ns.
    Make sure PKR kick these dirty g_ons in the butt to get a real taste of sodomy.

  54. #54 by cheng on on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:26 am

    Maybe ,one day, when the jails hv too many convicts, there could be one solution, those who are willing to swear by their respective holy book, will get a 75% rebate in their sentence, 4 years jail bcom 1 year, 4 strokes of rotan bcom 1 strokes, death sentence bcom 6 years jail, Good idea, ISN’T IT? GOMEN ALSO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY!

  55. #55 by NewDAP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:27 am

    Why TDM dares not swear that he is not manipulating saiful and DSAI sodomy charges?
    rakyat dare TDM to swear….

  56. #56 by PHUAKL on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:29 am

    Now that Saiful has sworn, may I propose to BN
    government that he’s to take a lie detector test next?
    (Administered by trustworthy and unbiased experts, of course).

    Otherwise, please stop this farce that further reinforces our image as the laughing stock of the world. Thank you.

    Phua Kai Lit

  57. #57 by RKP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:30 am

    “Leave Sai-fool alone” says the lousiest person in Malaysia.

    Are we paying him to govern the country or govern a person?

    To govern a person you have parents or a guardian. He still doesn’t know his role. Is he to govern a person or the nation?

    You don’t need to pay someone so much to govern a person.
    You are earning the salary to govern a nation but you are wasting our time governing a person.

    You are wasting our time and resources.It’s time for you to go.

  58. #58 by Mr Tan. on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:37 am

    Why so much focus is put-in by PM and the DPM and the whole UMNO bunch in this sodomy case. There isn’t even anyone got killed in this case.

    Even if the allegations are true, it is just a personal love affair between Anwar and Saiful in their pesonal lives.

    What is the big deal as you can see so many homos and Pondans on K.L. street daily, some even with enlarged breast.
    Why didn’t UMNO go and catch all this Pondans?.

    Maybe it is not the sodomy they are worried about, it is their political positions that they worried about.

    The Mongolian Altantuya’s father has been waiting for years to see his daughter’s killers get punish. Why they didn’t speed-up the case and ask Abdul Razak to swear on the Quaran and tell the truth who else is conspiring with him in this case. It might even clear his own allegations.

    It must be some one at very high level as they can even get explosives to do the job.

  59. #59 by just a moment on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:37 am

    Quran or no Quran, same one – they’re all created to suit political and individual mileage. Simply waste of time.

    [deleted]

    Fortunately, In Malaysia, majority of our muslim
    folks have been updated and consider ‘modern’
    though, all are still learning – including me lah.

    Ok, back to the subject.. Yes Forget about playing
    BN’s game of Quran. Forget about all they have to
    advertise in Media, Focus on the Election
    Vote for PR!! But pls be watchful on dirty tricks
    and especially PR’s over zealous attitude.
    Cannot afford any bad image that the Press is looking for.
    All the Best!! Birth of New Nation is at hand!!!

  60. #60 by Anba on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:38 am

    Dear Malaysians,
    God morning.
    1. Badawi’s cry over Saiful being the victim reminds us what kind of leaders we have elected. We need to be reminded that a person is innocent until proven guilty!

    2. What is this nonsense of mixing the politics and religion? I’m not sure how seriously the Muslims take on the issues of swearing on the Quran to clear one’s name. Although this may be serious among Muslims, I would still question the integrity behind the swearing on the Quran. You see, at the end of the day, no matter on which holy scripture we swear on, everything depends on one’s conscience and one’s personal relationship with God. I know of many Muslms who goes to pray at the mosques, many Hindus who goes to pray at the temples, may Christians who goes to the Churches to pray, but not all them are ethical and many commit terrible mistakes over mistakes.

    3. Badawi should NOT make himself look further incompetent. He should let the courts decide based on evidences found and not base Anwar’s case based on swearing on the Quran! Is this a country ruled by the Syariah courts or the courts where any human being may be tried. For God’s sake, Pak Lah, please grow up!

    God bless.
    Anba

  61. #61 by FY Lim on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:42 am

    If Raja Petra Kamaruddin swears by the Quran that what he said is nothing but the truth, then what have the accused have to do ?

  62. #62 by just a moment on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:47 am

    I say, forgot to put in the Values.

    [deleted]

  63. #63 by noohceekeel on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:49 am

    abdullah dont practise critical thinking when he says something…

  64. #64 by limkamput on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:49 am

    Godfather Says:
    Today at 10: 32.34 (1 hour ago)
    Can Najis swear that he and his family has no interest whatsoever in the commissions paid on the major defence contracts ? Can KJ swear………?

    Godfather, don’t be too sure! Can they swear? Oh, sure they can. I don’t think politicians have any qualm of swearing. If they can get indulge in all kinds of nonsense, I don’t think they are ever God fearing at all. If they have no fear of committing crimes in this world, do you think they will be fearful of life thereafter? God and religion have be used and abused for thousands of years, let face it. Countries that went for secular constitution did not do so for no good reasons.

    If swearing can prove anything worthwhile, there is no need for criminal justice system, no need of science of evidence and no need for detective work and investigation. All we need is to swear on a holy book. The more I look at it, the more Malaysia has become a typical third primitive country being managed by half past six … who are trapped in a time warp 1500 years ago.

  65. #65 by dapforever on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:56 am

    saifool even mentioned the wrong date at first during SWEARING ceremony…he said got sodomised on 26 Bulan 8 2008…then he pause a while and continue 26 Bulan 6 2008….u see…can you EVEN FORGET the day you got SODOMISED? This shows he don’t even know when is when….he just blindly follow the police advice….by betraying himself, he hope to get something in return from the the top people….what makes a person got the courage to come out & swear in front of public if you are a victim? either FORCED by someone or rewards with much $$$$$….

  66. #66 by ybk on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:02 pm

    Abdullah said :-

    It is up to PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to swear on the Quran and clear his name, said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abullah.

    [Surely what, it is up to him whether to swear or not to swear. He need not have to take your advice. Nobody can force him to do so].

    It is up to him to decide what he wants to do. He should know what is best for him, he said after ………………………………..

    [Surely what, it is up to him to decide. You need not have to decide for him. Surely what, he knows what is best for him in this fabricated case]. Must he telephone you to tell you what he has decided.

    Commenting on Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan’s declaration at the Federal Territory Mosque on Friday that Anwar had sodomised him, he said the manner Saiful took the oath followed Islamic practice and law.

    [Even though it followed the Islamic practice and law, the question is, whether the declaration is true or not. What if, the declaration is not true and Saiful do not believe in repercussion he may receive for false declaration under the Quran. He has no choice because he is bound by an agreement with the conspirator that he must finish this conspiracy act. PM, you denied you have anything to do in this conspiracy but there are others who could have conspired with him without your knowledge]. Would you agree?

    “We must respect a person who seek justice when he professes that something unlawful was done to him. It is a personal matter and we should not question his sincerity”

    [Since it is a personal matter, why are you so keen to get yourself involved in this case. The case is now pending in Court, so, let the Court decide lah. How do we know that Saiful is sincere? Only you believe his sincerity.

    “Abdullah reminded the people that Saiful was a victim in the issue. He said Saiful made a personal decision to swear on the Quran, a move that is not taken lightly by a Muslim”

    [Sorry lah, it has not been proven yet that Saiful is the victim in this case. The case has not even commenced in Court and you already jump to conclusion. Are you the judge and prosecutor for this case]. With due respect, swearing by the Quran does not prove anything lah.

    By the way, PM, have you personally spoken to Saiful and interrogated him regarding this sodomy. Why!! Why!! are you so interested in Saiful case. I have to date not read any comments from you regarding the Mongolian Murder Case. Isn’t this a more serious case than Saiful. Atlantuya’s father is also crying for justice like Saiful, so, what are you going to do about it? Please lah, be fair lah.

  67. #67 by k1980 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:11 pm

    Haiya, let those bullies swear on the quram and all will be forgiven
    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/National/2324314/Article/index_html

  68. #68 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:15 pm

    Don’t get Koran wrong. Koran is innocent. It is this Saiful+UMNO who are the problems.

    Do we realise that Chinese have the practice of chopping off the cock head to see who is right and who is wrong? Some one should invite Saiful to come and do it.

  69. #69 by HJ Angus on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:19 pm

    It is a dangerous precedent to start using Koran swearing in the civil courts as even now some judges have problems deciding on religious matters.

    Please read my latest blog entry on
    PERMATANG PAUH – How to Leave Saiful Alone?

  70. #70 by ktteokt on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:31 pm

    If swearing by the Koran is a way of resolving legal matters, we could have surely saved a lot by foregoing the present Courts complex in Jalan Duta and the Palace of Justice in Putra Jaya. Imagine how many Korans can be purchased with the money used to build these two complexes and it will certainly be a cheaper way of dispensing “justice”.

    But then all the Judges will have to “makan sendiri” as they will be out of jobs! We have streets filled with “jobless” magistrates and judges then!

  71. #71 by Godfather on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:31 pm

    Only in Bolehland can an accuser say he was raped, and the State charges the accused with consensual sex. The State does not believe the accuser, and yet does not charge him with making a false report and treats him as a “victim”.

    Let the voters of PP show whether they believe in the State or in the accused. We must overwhelmingly crush these idiots with bad faith.

  72. #72 by AhPek on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:40 pm

    Do you know why UMNOPUTRAS do not need to swear? First swearing is only applicable to pawns in their political chessboard.They have an even better way for themselves.They only have to ask Tuan Allah for forgiveness in the privacy of their palace and instantly they are cleansed of their sins to begin the same thing over again the next day and ask forgiveness again, repeating this ad infinitum.Much much neater ways of doing things!!

  73. #73 by StevePCH on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:42 pm

    either Sai Fool is koyak. Can he be trusted ? what is his credibility ?
    Sincerity is missing from his act. You do not need to read from prepared text.
    How can you claim sodomy and not talking with anger or sadness?
    He does not look traumatised/sleepless to me. He should be shouting at the camera cursing at Anwar but he missed the act on primetime TV.
    like what Godfather mentioned , why Section 377b and not 377a ? no case lah. it’s truly contradictory. Conspiracy !!!

  74. #74 by just a moment on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 12:52 pm

    Can someone or anyone let me know if this blog is monitor or track by whom? Just notice some of my comments were deleted. Why?
    Thks in advance.

  75. #75 by wanderer on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:02 pm

    Mr Prime Minister, we are not as dumb as you. A poor leader insinuating to all criminals it is okay to swear on the Quran and get away scot free. How much lower Mr PM do you wish to bring this nation down.
    Muslims in this country, have a a lot of soul searching to do, whether this is the right path for the nation to take.

  76. #76 by bennylohstocks on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:23 pm

    DNA, DNA, DNA,
    PICTURES, PICTURES,
    (NOW)…


    SWEAR, SWEAR, SWEAR

  77. #77 by Yee Siew Wah on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:23 pm

    That stupid dumb dumb PM, said now its DSAI turn to reply “Sai the FOOL” swearing by the Holy Koran. And he has proudly claimed himself to be religious with his “famous” brand of Islam Hadhari. Just look at the what Indonesian muslim has to say
    “Former Indonesian president Abdurrahman Wahid, the titular leader of the Nadhlatul Ulama (NU), the largest Muslim social organisation in the world, today described as “unislamic” the practice of swearing on the Quran. ”
    This clearly shows that our sleepy flipflop guy comments on Islam are to serve him and his deputies dirty ambitions.
    As I hv said, I hv great respect and faith on this guy in 2004.
    But today, I am disgusted just to see him on acting and talking especially on TV. I have lost all faith on this guy COMPLETELY. Will somebody save this country…………..

  78. #78 by bennylohstocks on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:30 pm

    Hey man, it’s the PLASTIC thing..

    BE SURE-LAH

  79. #79 by bennylohstocks on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:38 pm

    BUT(T) why swear…

    RELAX-LAH

  80. #80 by alhard on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:39 pm

    Just my conjecture. PM and his close aids were probably being told that there is no evidence to charge Anwar. Saiful swearing is probably a way out for this mess. Everyone can now say that they were not stupid to trust Saiful because he even sweared on the Quran. This whole episode can now be closed when it comes for mentioned in court without making a fool on Saiful’s supporters but Anwar’s moral authority will always remain doubtful. At the same time, they can use this period to weaken and derail Anwar’s support in PP.

    But for Saiful supporters, they may miss out 1 thing. If Saiful is striked by lightning before Aug 26, Anwar will not only win PP but the whole BN government will fall. And there will be mass conversion and PAS will have less resistance on forming an Islamic country.

    Personally, if nothings bad falls on Saiful, I can only conclude 2 things – Saiful is indeed the victim or Allah he swears to is not True God.

  81. #81 by Toyol on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:46 pm

    Sleepyhead unwittingly suggests that if there are 2 persons who commit murder, if one swears on the Quran that he did not do it, then he is the victim and not the perpetrator. Wah, this is a mockery of our justice system…just proves that there is no justice system in Bodohland. Every criminal can now swear on the Quran and they will be absolved of any wrong doing. Judges may as well resign and the Bar Council and all the lawyers of the land can retire! How sweet.

  82. #82 by nahoda on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:51 pm

    Ladies and Gentlemen;

    Now I just learnt that Malaysian can used the Quran to swear and that is the truth of truth. Malaysia don’t need lawyer or judge anymore. Just he PM himself and Quran book, that’s all.

    I suggest ours sleeping PM request all his MP or minister to swear similar like the sinful boy to prove they are clean and ACA will be out of job.

    I think we are watching cartoon hear la. Tak ada kerja lain ka.

  83. #83 by budak on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:51 pm

    can UMNO swear on this…???

    UMNO-BN planned to use RM16million to fish votes in P44… :-)
    too bad, now the $$$ stuck in HK Airport…

    Source: http://malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/11529/84/

  84. #84 by ktteokt on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:51 pm

    Looks like Saiful better hide under his bed until Aug 26 to avoid being struck by lightning!!!!!

  85. #85 by pkrisnin on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:57 pm

    RM16 million this is why I want BN voted out. It has nothing to do with Malay rights or other racial issue. I’m feed up with the corruption.

  86. #86 by Emily Pratt on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:58 pm

    Abdullah Nincompoop, section 377B of the Penal code said that it is “suka sama suka” butt poke lar… where got victim-victim one?

    Truly Asia, Truly Idiotic…

    EP

  87. #87 by voice on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 1:58 pm

    Haha, before he quit as PM, he still want to become a clown.
    International Clown!

  88. #88 by fido on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 2:11 pm

    STOP all these swearing business and get on with doing your job!! When will they all start professionally? A bunch of clowns in the circus getting worst by day.

  89. #89 by malaysia-united on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 2:21 pm

    Other contry’s PM are good in attract investors, so that their rakyat are rich, wealth, healthy, happy, relax, and many more…

    Our both PMs are better in taking care of as*hole, cons-piracy, lie, swear, corruption, ISA, C4 expert, racist, sleep, an*l sex, married, making jokes… really a bunch of funny guys…

  90. #90 by imah on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 2:36 pm

    hahah.. you are right!

    the idiot doesnt understand Islam well eventhough completed studies at Islamic Academy.
    Keep writing YB!
    Your brave is a light for us.

  91. #91 by malaysia-united on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 2:36 pm

    AP issue? Report by Jabatan Audit Negara? Altantuya case? Pile crack? Parliment bocor? Linggam Tape? Submarine commision? Mohd Tahi can’t read English case? Scenic crook bridge? and many many more cases all are not as important as the tiny small Saifool stink bloody sissy as*hole… We all live under this, measuring 30mm in diameter, 150mm depth as*hole of all as*holes…

    Malaysia, truly ass-ya!

  92. #92 by newchief on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 2:59 pm

    bodowi’s comment : We must respect a person who seeks justice when he professes that something unlawful was done to him. It is a personal matter and we should not question his sincerity & that Saiful was a victim in the issue .

    Mind you bodowi. we MUST ALSO RESPECT the person who has been accused too . we cannot say who is wrong or right until judgement has been made so bodowi, go back either to read law books which i doubt you will do or go back to sleep which is better still!!

    is bodowi the legal advisor for saiful? i didn’t even hear saiful’s lawyers or even his family members barking via the media about this syaitan saiful!! why the huge interest in him & not the rakyat’s financial problems of buying power being tremendously reduce under his rule?

    bodowi as the PM should do his job of easing the rakyat’s burden as it is RAKYAT who is paying his no question asks allowance of RM18,000 per month!!!

    When UiTM marched , no permit was given & PM remarks were remarkable. It was like he SOKONG their march of protest . Do we really need this kind of stupid , blur blur or tyrant PM ?

    I appeal to the BN supporters to wake up & do an analysis on how to serve the rakyat & not only for themselves only.

  93. #93 by One4All4One on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 3:31 pm

    Why are the PM and the DPM ( and other ministers and like-minded politicians) so interested in Saiful’s case? Pointing out again and again and again that he is the victim and hence justice must be sought for him? As if there are points to be scored? As if that would do the rakyat any good?

    Well…if they are sincere in seeking out justice for victims of lawsuits, there are thousands and thousands of cases pending in the courts. Why aren’t they doing something for the victims in those cases? There are lots of victims of cheating, rape, harassment, exploitation, corruption, robbery, abuse, etc., etc.

    Why single out and keep on singing out for Saiful? A clear case of exploitation and victimising someone here? It smacks of prejudice and having ulterior motives. Why are they so bent on bringing up the case, but not other more pressing matters which affect the rakyat?

    Come on, the rakyat are crying for action and solution for socio-economic matters. A lot of households are having problem putting enough food on the table. They are not interested in who Saiful is.

    Justice is more work opportunities and education, say at premises which seem to be reserved for only certain people at the expense of others. Look into such issues and the rakyat would value your service more. Failure to do so is tantamount to neglect of duties.

    I rest my case

  94. #94 by Elwin Heng on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 3:31 pm

    Whatever ‘blue’ dirty threats, to uncle-LA is equals ‘cleanest’ or ‘absolute correct’!

    However, PR or inclusive us with a mirror mistake, ‘blue’ might be purposely ‘zooming’ and serious or offensive!

    So, in believe no matter En. Anwar how sincere or ‘real’ victim, direct or indirectly ‘blue’ might preset and over-assumption ‘He is who should be detain and charge under lawsuit!’.

    Against saifool swore, doubt why must chosen ‘federal territory’ but not at islam.court face-to-face with publicity or En. Anwar? Who is back.black.hand? Who order him to do so? Any dirty politic threat against En. Anwar? You and me, know the answer, don’t you!

    Sympathy to En. Anwar!
    What’s a best time or golden opportunity to Permatang Pauh voters to vote and show your trust and consideration to En. Anwar. I know you know the answer, don’t you!

    Victory is alongside Permatang Pauh voter, and equaling to 308 PR voters! Send my best regards, wishing you, En. Anwar to have a huge majority victory by-election!

    TQ.
    Warmest regards.

  95. #95 by lextcs on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 3:37 pm

    is there room for other religion to co-exist in PAS led govt? If yes, then why the tearing down of place of worship in kelantan? Why put on the persecution list those genuinely seen helping out the orang aslis?

  96. #96 by roger lim on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 4:01 pm

    ENOUGH with the swearing. Didn’t your mother teach you never to swear? What is wrong with you? Saiful, if you got the marbles, I would suggest you take up mixfm’s lie detector test. Sorry to say, that has more credibility than swearing on a hundred holy books. Ooops…. now I’m gonna get whacked aren’t I? And while you are at mixfm, bring along a few fellas by the initials of AAB, SIL, TDM and NAJIB for testing as well. That would be fun.

    YB LKS,
    regarding the ‘bashing’ of reporters, could the PR assign some sort of protection to the media? BN will use every dirty trick up their sleeves and then some. That includes ‘bashing’ their own MSM reporters up and blame it on PR.

  97. #97 by Damocles on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 4:07 pm

    Uncle Lim, forget all about swearing and all that kind of cock and bull!
    Let the legal process takes place.
    They’ll make a fool of themselves and they’ll dig the hole deeper and deeper so that in the end, they’ll never be able to get out of it!
    Give them the rope to hang themselves!
    Even if Anwar were to be let off by swearing, there’s no telling that later they’ll not go back on their words and said that it must be a joke for someone accused of a criminal offence to be let off the hook and that the court proceedings must still proceed.
    Only no-brainers like our PM do such things as swearing as proof of innocence!

  98. #98 by I Malaysian on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 4:08 pm

    One of the few things I agree with Dr.Mahathir is when he said that he made a mistake by picking Abdullah as his successor. True enough this man is a disaster for Malaysia and Malaysian. Usually coffee shop talk would be on issues, policies and decisions of present government. But now all talks are focused on one man, how come a DUNGU become a PM of Malaysia?

  99. #99 by GodFromHeaven on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 4:53 pm

    we do not have any benefits from the salfool’s asshole. I think BN did not heard any messages from the whole nation during 308. This Permatang Pauh by election we have to make sure we defeat them, and with highest majority ever…. God Bless Us

  100. #100 by Anti_NEP on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 5:17 pm

    I swear that Bodohwi has …every malaysian in the last 4 years. Will this grand imam of limited days(had – limited, hari – day) swear that he has not?

  101. #101 by yhsiew on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 5:17 pm

    Abdurrahman Wahid, the former president of Indonesia and influential leader of Islamic group Nahdlatul Ulama, says Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim need not swear on the Quran as it is un-Islamic and there is no such requirement under Islamic laws.

    Gus Dur, as he is popularly called, also said the recent swearing on the Quran by Anwar’s former aide Saiful Bukhari Azlan was un-Islamic. “I challenge anyone to prove the reverse. They better open the law books of Islam.”……………

    “I think the accusation of sodomy is wrong. I have known him for 15 years. I believe totally in him,” Gus Dur said at a press conference at PKR headquarters here today……………

    Gus Dur said that while his views were personal, they were shared by “many Indonesians”……………

    Meanwhile, he poured scorn on Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s execution of Islam Hadhari, saying that it lacked honesty and does not condone democracy.

    “He acts in one way and says another,” Gus Dur said, adding that Anwar would make a more democratic leader.

    http://themalaysianinsider.com.my/index.php/malaysia/7782-gus-dur-swearing-on-quran-is-un-islamic

  102. #102 by kerajaan.rakyat on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 5:18 pm

    UMNO PENIPU BANGSA MELAYU.

    UMNO CEMARKAN AGAMA ISLAM

    UMNO KHIANATI RAKYAT MALAYSIA

    UMNO PEMBAWA SIAL DAN KECELAKAAN

    UMNO MESTI DIHAPUSKAN BUAT SELAMANYA.

    http://www.kerajaanrakyat.com/

  103. #103 by vincent on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 5:23 pm

    Don’t call me cheap. I will swear on anything if you give any figure if I feel enough. Such a moron to anyone who believe swearing now a day. Bodowi, you should be smarter then that.

  104. #104 by eloofk on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 5:58 pm

    I’m bemused the the PM and his cabinet has been linking politics with religion. Poor Saifool, being manipulated by those so-called politicians, making him swear on the Quran inside a mosque. So now, those in power have been showing no respect for the own religion for their sinful ends. I’m sure that God has already reserved judgement on those who have made a mockery of His name.

  105. #105 by The Enforcer on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 6:26 pm

    Oh my! Now Sleepy wants to drag religion into his plot thinking that this his final straw to use religion as a tool.
    Hei Sleepy and the GOONS, please leave religion aside and do not tarnish the good name of Islam for the other Muslims (who follow the true teachings of Islam) in the country.
    Personal opinion: Four years ago, when “Mr Clean” was chosen as the PM, I thought, now the RAKYAT will see a change.
    My oh my, how in the short span of four years has all these change and not only me but the brunt of all RAKYAT is cursing and swearing at these bunch of GOONS who are worst then mamak.
    At least the former when the country was down tried to think of ways to get her back on her feet (of course, he also jaga his pocket first). Sleepy and the GOONS not only jaga their own pocket first but make the country into a mess and a laughing stock of the world!
    Please follow Musharraf and step down en bloc to save this beautiful country MALAYSIA from further damage!

  106. #106 by KennyGan on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 6:58 pm

    The problem is that with all the mainstream media firmly under the control of the ruling party, they think that can get away with all sorts of ridiculous acts but on the other hand the same controlled media doesn’t give any feedback from the people so they keep repeating the same absurdities and treating the rakyat as fools not knowing that they look foolish themselves.

  107. #107 by numbee on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 7:12 pm

    What is mister DrM doing commenting instead of retiring?

    Does DrM even know about it? how about asking him to swear on the quran as well that he is not involved in the 1988 judiary crisis and for fabricating evidence to frame Anwar?

    He should reflect on his own family members before making such comment in local media.

    Even if anwar is gay, I do not care as this has got nothing to do with his credibility as a person who can fight against corruption.

    Why saiful only swear on the quran on the day before the by election nomination? and someone has proof of him meeting Njb.

    http://www.mrsmith2.blogspot.com

    You’ll see DrM’s true colours if you visit this blog and watch all 7 videos.

    The world is watching. and malaysian politics is like a circus and joke around the world.

    can someone please step up and do something? the first step to go about is to VOTE for pakatan rakyat and ensure they keep the parliment permatang pauh sit.

    The reason why drM is still making comments is cos he is soooo afraid that Anwar will be prime minister and put him behind bars. If he has got nothing to hide, why is he telling people that if anwar bcomes the next PM he will migrate? is he THAT afraid of anwar????

    tsk tsk tsk

  108. #108 by Bobster on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 7:14 pm

    Saiful sumpah sounds more like SAMPAH to average Malaysians. Look at his attitude, body language and read his blog you will understand why. Victim does not act like arrogant little-king-in-the-making.

    AAB shameful Mr PM waiting to be brought down by the rakyat.

    What happen to Lingam case? 1-2 yrs still not settle?

    Anwar case, settle within 1 mth.

    This is how this idiotic gomen works. BIG STICKY SHAME BN!

  109. #109 by mohrafael on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:03 pm

    Good news, Malaysian government can do without courts, lawyers, police etc, as accused can just be asked to swear on Quran if he has done a wrong or not. this is a cartoon government. my friends abroad are laughing at Malaysian very own Mr Bean ….

  110. #110 by undergrad2 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:07 pm

    Jeffrey,

    There is no need to take us through such a painful analysis.

    Politics is about perception. If Anwar is perceived to be hiding something by not agreeing to go through the same religious ceremony, by withholding the truth or by being less than honest, then he is in troubled waters.

    Bloggers should cease commenting on the sodomy issue because that is what UMNO political strategists, pundits and pinheads and propagandists want you to do. What is relevant is the state of the economy and how it is being mismanaged, the abuses etc. and the fact that the constituents of Permatang Pauh and their children and their children’s children are being forced to shoulder the consequences of the abuse by these UMNO/BN leaders.

    Anwar and Pakatan offers the kind of change we can believe in. Such corrupt politicians must be stopped and stopped now – not a day longer!

  111. #111 by undergrad2 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:14 pm

    “This is a cartoon government. My friends abroad are laughing at Malaysian very own Mr Bean ….”

    Don’t insult Rowan Atkinson. He has an electrical engineering degree from Newcastle and a Master’s degree from Oxford. What has our PM got to show – but a miserable first degree in Malay studies?

  112. #112 by undergrad2 on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:14 pm

    …from a third world country at that!

  113. #113 by Loyal Malaysian on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 8:38 pm

    It is statements like this that shows the nation will be better off the sooner Badawi steps down.
    He has shown, time and again that he has not the calibre to lead our nation to a better future.
    Getting mired in political conspiracy what with his supposedly religous background is really most unbecoming of him.

  114. #114 by cancan on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 9:33 pm

    The mother of all lies or The father of all truths

    Link: http://www.kingsmary.blogspot.com/

  115. #115 by vsp on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:07 pm

    Never in the history of our judicial system for the past 50 years, whether civil or syariah, has there been any judgement that was based on the swearing of the holy book. Even in Islam there was no mention of establishing one’s innocence through the swearing on the holy book. But Islam do enjoin that if anyone is to accuse someone else he must produce four witnesses. Figuratively, this means that the person must be very very sure of his accusation as if he had four witnesses available. Badawi has usurped the powers of the court and the constitution by insisting that one can become innocent by just swearing on the koran. There is nothing written in our constitution or in our judicial books that swearing on the koran to establish one’s innocence is the law. Therefore what Badawi is insisting on is unconstitutional. Yesterday he has already issued a fiat that ALL parties should leave Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan alone following the latter’s swearing upon a Quran on Friday that he was sodomised by Anwar Ibrahim. This is a very dangerous thing and this Islam Hadhari’s teaching is slowly creeping into our judicial system.
    When Najib sweared on the koran that he had nothing to do with the murder of the Mongolian beauty, he has literally avoided accepted criminal procedure by going through the court. He was protected by the police, the AG and Badawi so much so that any new evidence that arose were totally suppressed. Now this Saiful swearing is the second precedence to have the total consent of the BN government. Are these precedence to be used by the BN criminals when Anwar becomes the prime minister and they can swear on the koran to establish their innocence since precedence has been set?
    Therefore, LKS, since this is illegal and unconstitutional I suggest that you bring this matter up during the Parliament sitting and ask Badawi whether he will abolish the Courts, both civil and syariah and retire all the judges since now they are redundant under this Islam Hadhari religion that swearing on the koran is the law. And also appeal to the Agong to sack Badawi because what he is doing is against Islam, the Constitution and the judicial system.

  116. #116 by donplaypuks on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 10:10 pm

    Was the PM present at the scene of the alleged crime or is he privy to something no one else knows?

    By openly supporting Saiful, the PM is making nonsense of our Constitution and Judicial System, as well as being in open contempt of Court in a case in which a person has been charged in Court.

    Any accused is INNOCENT until and unless he is convicted in a Court. Mere accusation does not mean the accuser has greater rights than the accused. This is what our CONSTITUTION says!

    The position taken by the PM is totally wrong and is sufficient grounds for the Judge to dismiss the case against DSAI as his right to a fair trial has been irretrievably compromised by the PM, saiful by swearing in public on the Koran when he will have to swear in Court later, his lawyers and the police who all should know better what the responsible conduct the law DEMANDS!!

    Chief Justice and Agung of Malaysia, please take note.
    htp://donplaypuks.blogspot.com

  117. #117 by Jimm on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:06 pm

    We have to bring back plenty of old cases that required swearing on Quran to verify the decision …… VKL case involved our Malay MP , will he too be called to make the swearing that he is not involved and VKL is drunk and talking [email protected]#*^k over his hphone.

  118. #118 by sirrganass on Monday, 18 August 2008 - 11:28 pm

    All non-muslim pls be warned here that what BODOWI and SaiFOOL are doing IS NOT IN LINE with actual Islamic teaching. Condemn them as much as you want because it won’t hurt us (I am a MUSLIM). Go ahead say anything freely if those UMNOPutras implement all those funny ISLAM “HAD-HARI” teachings. But!!! Hold on!

    But pls don’t condemn the real ISLAMIC TEACHING because it will become very dangerous for all of us.

    Which Islamic teaching is right? Ask your own partners: TG Nik Aziz and TG Hadi Awang etc. These people don’t create new religion and will not change the teaching – in fact they will “follow the book quite STRICTLY”.

    Of course you may not like a bit here and there about the Islamic Teachings and you are not going to follow it (of course it is ok if you don’t follow it) but we just have to respect other people’s spiritual believe. If we want to push forward the right ISLAMIC teaching, we have to take it patiently. But if UMNOPutra’s funny Islam Hadhari practices are put on the table, then… if it is obviously funny and nonsense, voice it out!!!

    So many established ulamaks have confirmed that this saifool’s case and the way Bodowi goes about it is NOT ISLAMIC!!! So, Keep on writing!!! PAS ulamaks and PKR Muslims will not scold you for this. For funny cases like this only; ok – go ahead.

    Thanks a lot because you people have been very polite here in using the term “QURAN”, “ALLAH” etc which are very holy to us. Pls be carefull and be honest in using those holy names. We muslim that have been reading this blog have so far feel it is ok. Some other muslim may feel a bit unconfortable with all your writings here but i personnal feel that’s ok. After all, we have no other way to tell Bodowi that he is wrong because he looks sleepy and tired and he is currently busy with Saifool case. This is our only outlet to voice our right!

    HIDUP PR!!!

  119. #119 by Rocky on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 12:56 am

    Jeffrey,

    Please keep writing those detailed analysis. some of us actually find it very interesting read and thank you for it. But you can’t please everyone.

  120. #120 by limkamput on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 1:49 am

    Undergrad2, let me praise you again. You should be PR advisor on blogger affair although I don’t quite like you personally.

  121. #121 by IloveDAPforever on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 2:09 am

    Sleepyhead Bodohwi, Senile Mahathir, Najis, Kerismuddin, AP Rafidah, the richest unemployed son-in-law and their whole corrupted gang should be the ones to swear first to prove that they have never betrayed the people, & are clean before they are even fit to challenge Anwar Ibrahim to swear before the Quran.

    This whole swearing thing should backfire on them & make a mockery of their seemingly brilliant tactic at pinning down TSAI!!

  122. #122 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:41 am

    Okay, I am going to swear…

    @@@!!!!###&&&$$$%%%%&&&***$$$###@@@!!!!!!!!

  123. #123 by taiking on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:52 am

    Looking at the development of events surrounding saiful and anwar a thought struck me.

    Charging anwar is a no brainer in the circumstances. But charging anwar they must for political reasons. And the problem they would have to face is that any which way the case turns, UMNO would still end up holding the losing end of the string.

    If he is acquitted, the opposition and the people would be vindicated. If he is convicted, the people being absolutely distrustful of UMNO would say that it is a political prosecution. The sodomy case against anwar 10 years ago was a good lesson for them. It did not kill him politically. Quite the contrary. It gave him a higher platform from which he could stand and address the people. So they know that convicting anwar too would not be in their interest politically.

    Hence it is no big wonder for them to frame a charge for consensual sodomy. The trick could be so that anwar would get away on technical grounds. That would then leave the merit of the claim by saiful unheard and so the question whether or not anwar sodomised him would remain unanswered and unresolved.

    In other words, instead of convicting him and locking him up – an act which is bound to backfire – they decided do the next best thing i.e. to capitalise on the unresolved and unanswered claim by saiful.

    This they would do by playing up the swearing by saiful on the koran. They would knock this piece of fact into the heads of simple muslim folks and hope that in their heads it would stand as the true answer to the unanswered sodomy claim.

    Could this be possible? Any views?

    If it is possible, then any opinion of counter-measures by anwar?

  124. #124 by Bobster on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 11:23 am

    BN has corrupted to the core and turning this country to:-

    1. Sumpah becomes SAMPAH
    2. Murderer becomes free man
    3. Innocent becomes the accused and jailed
    4. Police (some) becomes … everybody knows
    5. Court house becomes Cock house
    6. Parliament becomes Pasarmalam

    Cukuplah, masih tidur lagi ke.

    Rakyat cukup bosan sama SAMPAH NATIONAL. Even mak rempit get a better respect.

    Time to change! REFORMASI!

  125. #125 by cheng on on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 11:27 am

    “IloveDAPforever Says:

    Today at 02: 09.47 (9 hours ago)
    Sleepyhead Bodohwi, Senile Mahathir, Najis, Kerismuddin, AP Rafidah, the richest unemployed son-in-law and their whole corrupted gang…….”
    They must also make a stat. declaration too !
    One thing, why that old TDM, no go to do Haj yet?

  126. #126 by For Malaysia on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 12:18 pm

    Truly, after what we are seeing and hearing now there is a dire need that we need fresh ideas and fresh people to bring about the desired change needed for this beloved country. We cannot have a all-in-one country head. We cannot have a certain community who is above the law and are untouchables. We have seen it far too long – over a half century already. We cannot have hastily made Bills that will protect the untouchables and promote anarchy in the long run?. Isn’t that smacked of how the English Laws were created long long time ago? Are we heading there, the 15th or 16th century, where the Englishmen were before, when it is now the 21st century? To me this is enough to show that the horses in there are already tired. They cannot run anymore. We need new horses to take us where we want to be in the years ahead.

  127. #127 by IloveDAPforever on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 2:23 pm

    I believe many will definitely agree with ; For Malaysia says.. fresh people to bring about the desired change needed for this beloved country .. run by extremists. As from events of late, protests by Uitm, at Bar Council’s forum, the racist teacher getting away scot free & many more have clearly shown that a certain community is above the law and are untouchables.

    Any right & moderate thinking countrymen from that certain community would honestly agree that things have gone too far and other minor communities feelings & rights should also be considered.

    Only a fresh change by the people’s govt via Pakatan will bring hope for a more just & better future for all!

  128. #128 by PHUAKL on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 2:48 pm

    Hi Undergrad2

    I believe that the PM has an undergrad degree in Islamic Studies
    (not Malay studies). Anwar Ibrahim has an undergrad degree in Malay Studies.

    I’ve also read elsewhere that PM failed introductory economics and introductory statistics while in the university. But unsure if these claims are true. Can anyone verify these claims?

    Phua Kai Lit

  129. #129 by newchief on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 3:52 pm

    to phua kai lit.

    whatever certificate PM holds, it’s out-dated. Its like having a master degree in economics but the present job is a mechanic. thus , does tis certificate proof relevant to the job? not so-leh.

    however, bodowi, najib, shahrir, shaberry, ezam, khairy,pairin, vk liew,koh su khoon, sammy vellu, hamid, syaitan saiful , VC of UiTM & his moron students should be given standing ovation to getting certificates like LIAR,TALK & PREACH NONSENSE, MISMANAGEMENT,RACISM, ANGKAT KAKI & many more which they deserve at AUTO .

  130. #130 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:28 pm

    Phua,

    There is the Arts Faculty and most Malay undergrads of his time opted for ‘Malay and Islamic’ studies. I believe it is one of the departments in the Arts Faculty.

  131. #131 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:34 pm

    Abdullah failed his Introductory Statistics paper (not sure if that was the name by which it was referred to then), a first year paper for undergrads in the Arts Faculty and for those likely to opt for Economics as their major in the second and final years.

    When the FEA was formed, it was still a first year paper in Economics and Public Administration. Students needed to pass this paper with at least Grade C to major in Applied and Analytical Economics and Business Administration.

  132. #132 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:36 pm

    Not sure about Accountancy and Rural Economics.

  133. #133 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 19 August 2008 - 8:55 pm

    limkamput Says:

    Today at 01: 49.06 (18 hours ago)
    “Undergrad2, let me praise you again. You should be PR advisor on blogger affair although I don’t quite like you personally.”

    I’m not looking for popularity or praise. Why should anybody who goes by a fictitious handle be looking for popularity? I do not run a blog of my own with a picture of me. I have no reputation to protect – zilch but everything to contribute. I’m just a private citizen who wants his say in the political process, someone who looks on ‘freedom, equality and justice for all’ not as mere slogans but thresholds for us to achieve high though they may be.

    Your ‘dislike for me’ (to quote you) is proof that I’m contributing and doing so in a positive way. I’m happy to note! You may read that statement any which way it pleases or not pleases you. This is a free country. At least that’s what I’d like to believe my country still is despite signs to the contrary.

  134. #134 by Loh on Sunday, 24 August 2008 - 12:17 am

    It would be interesting to speculate why some Muslims would be willing to swear on the Koran.

    A person who swears on the Koran gives the impression that he was telling the truth. But only God knows whether he told the truth or not.

    Even if one believes that telling lies on koran would bring him bad recompense, he might still do it because the problems he face now might be more unbearable than after death, as he believes, and there exists a possibility that he might be ‘pardoned’ if he could make merits in the future.

    If the person does not believe the impact of swearing untruth, whatever he says would not bother him one bit. It would be the easiest way of getting out of trouble. Morever the sin of telling lies on the Koran might not be more serious than others commiting crimes for lesser returns.

    It is not possible to know whether one values his wellbeings more in life than in the afterlife. It is therefore impossible to judge whether the person who swears on the Koran is telling the truth.

    Malaysia practices rule of law, though the UMNO government makes it rule by law. Judgements are decided at the court. Swearing in the mosques removes all troubles for those who are connected with the power, or those in power himself. The others would still have to depend on the outcome of court cases. Why should they bother God with swearing?

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