The amendment motion in Parliament to establish a Royal Commission of Inquiry to realize the three-decade dream of the people of Sabah to end their nightmare of the long-standing problem of illegal immigrants in the state was sabotaged when it was disallowed on the most flippant and unacceptable of grounds.
I had sought to move the amendment to the Motion of Thanks in Parliament by proposing the establishment of a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the illegal immigrant problem in Sabah at the end of the winding-up speeches by all the Ministers, which was about 6.30 p.m., but the Deputy Speaker Ronald Kiandee disallowed it on the ground that it was irrelevant.
How could the long-standing and intractable 30-year problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah be irrelevant to what should be the policy concerns of the Federal government for the next 12 months – which in a nutshell is what the Royal Address is all about.
I had previously moved an amendment to a Motion of Thanks for the Royal Address which is the conventional and acceptable practice in all Commonwealth Parliaments as it is an opportunity for a policy debate and resolution – but the Malaysian Parliament is regressing backwards instead of striking forward to become a First-World Parliament.
I feel sad at the shocking disallowance of the amending motion for it also sends out the message that after 30 years, the primary concern of Sabahans – the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah – is still not taken seriously at the national level and merely treated as a peripheral issue!
#1 by myint3 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:55 pm
Don’t be disheartened Uncle Lim. Please try again. I’m disappointed too and was looking forward to the outcome but after 30 years of indifference by the power that be, it doesn’t come as a surprise. I wouldn’t say that your effort come to nought. Remember, the people of Sabah is watching and know what you are doing…
#2 by ppsbmy on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:56 pm
Uncle Kit, please do not give up. How can a deputy speaker dismiss a motion by a wakil rakyat, an elected representative of the people?
#3 by Malaysian on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:56 pm
As expected all these Umno politicians are not fighting for long standing illegal immigrants problem in Sabah.
#4 by lew1328 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 7:57 pm
Dearest, Kit
It’s nothing to sad about when you’ve done your best, we trust.
We don’t expect it change over night although we have gained more seats since March the eight, 2008.
Now only the time will tells for the solicitous justice.
Best regards.
#5 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:08 pm
Kiandee trying to be more BN as did TDM more Malay?
Sabahan…wake up now…I told you so
#6 by Justicewanted on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:33 pm
My respect to you for fighting the rights of all Malaysian (of course including Sabah).
When will Sabahans wake up and fight for their own rights????
PRU13 or 14 or 15…..
#7 by rojak on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:50 pm
It would be good if someone can YouTube on how the Deputy speaker flippantly disallowed the motion. I’m pretty sure our Sabahan brother and sisters would appreciate it the most. If I am eagerly looking forward to this event, I wonder how much more Sabahans are.
No amount of writings can tell as much as what a short video can. Like they say, a picture tells a thousand words.
Just wonder how much more Sabahans can take?
#8 by CheeseBall on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:50 pm
Hi Mr Lim,
Thanks for trying, but does it really surprise anyone with what UMNO/BN is capable of? They will cheat, they will lie, they will obfuscate, they will deny anything and everything to ensure that they stay in power.
Don’t waste anymore time playing in their sandbox under their so-called “rules” (which they can break anytime they feel like).
Concentrate all your resources on getting rid of UMNO/BN once and for all. Why bother with the symptom, when you can find a cure instead.
#9 by anak sungeisiput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 8:54 pm
The politics and parliamentry processes are not concerned with issues of social justice, and peoples rights. It is about self serving interests of power hungry politicans who would not survive for a single day in a truly civilised part of the world where the prevailing public interest is the rule of the day. It must be a lonely day for you where self interest overides peoples’ rights.
#10 by Joshua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:00 pm
The question of the elected Government may be answered via my two Writs of Summons on GE 2004 and GE 2008 hopefully the KK High Court has released them since 25 Feb 2008 and 25 April 2008 for service to the defendant.
so BN and UMNO should be very worried now …
and rejecting this RCI is such a way without a debate is a nail in the coffin for them as it is public knowledge now…
#11 by Mr Smith on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:02 pm
If I am not mistaken, you could have foreseen this coming. I saw it, but did not expect him to deem it irrelevant.
This BN Government will never change. I hope DAP will help Anwar is taking over the Federal Government via cross overs.
The earlier the better.
#12 by kentutoyol on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:04 pm
Uncle YB Lim,
As an MP, you have done your job and you have been doing them well all the while. I’m not surprise – many a time when the opposition move a motion there is always an excuse to shoot it down. Never mind, Sabahans are watching the scenario. Sabah BN needs a tsunami, I guess.
#13 by ch on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:08 pm
Dear All,
The verdict is out and the Speaker refused YB Lim the floor to put forward a motion to debate on the long outstanding issue on illegal immigrant in Sabah. Without the benefit of being present at parliament when the issue was raised, I am interested to know the reactions of various MPs from Sabah and Sarawak upon hearing the Speaker declining YB Lim and dismissing it (the issue) as a matter of irrelavance. The various MPs from Sabah and Sarawak should have stood up and be counted urging the Speaker to table the motion as the issue of illegal immigrant is one of the paramount issues in negotiating with PM Abdullah.
Yong Teck Lee hinted just less than 50 hours ago that MPs from Sabah may support the above motion and we are interested his reaction when it was shot down by the Speaker.
As expected, we are of the opinion that the MPs from Sabah does not stand united and speak in a single voice on this issue. Many of whom, are more interested on their own political survival and merely speaking “sugar-coated” words to their voters.
However, for whatever being said and done, we are somewhat encouraged to note the audacity of Anifah Aman “snubbing” PM Abdullah when he declined the post as President of UMNO MPs. This appears to be a second “snub” as he first declined the post of a Deputy Ministerial post by PM Abdullah.
#14 by humanly on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:10 pm
Sabahans are too docile and deserve what they get. The leaders who represented them are 2 kali 5.
If there are Sabahans who want change for the better, they are too few in number. Besides, politicians in Sabah from both sides of the fence cannot be trusted.
#15 by Vidya Young on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:12 pm
Where is the Killer at this moment??? In hiding?
Can you now see how YB Kit Siang’s (and Opposition’s) efforts in Parliament are destroyed every step of the way? Or is your questionable knowledge limited to affairs of Sabah alone? Perhaps you should broaden your knowledge before you return to blog here.
#16 by KennyGan on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:21 pm
The deputy speaker who disallowed YB Kit’s motion is a Sabahan isn’t he? What a traitor to his state! Can he look his fellow Sabahans in the eyes and say he serves their best interest?
#17 by oknyua on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:30 pm
Ronald McDonald Kiandee. What he cares about Sabah and Sabahans? I told you about the Sabah MPs, cakap only, but right from Tun Mustapha to Musa Aman, what do they care about ordinary Sabahans that scramble for menial jobs in W Malaysia here? Look at Klang, Taman Sri Andalas, there are fights every night among Sabahan. At home no jobs, they become pelarian here. When Matel Barbie Doll was in Port Klang, hundreds of the Sabahan women were there. It is sad that some women now resorted to other “jobs.” What do these MPs and Ronald care?
OK, now Mr Ronald you don’t want Lim Kit Siang to help, what is your solution? Pairin, what is your solution? Yong Teck Lee? Forget about Musa Aman, he is guarding his pot of gold.
I said earlier that these Sabahan MPs talked kosong about illegal. Poorah, illegals? They are cheap labour, source of income for police and votes for politicians.
When I heard the problems faced by some of my close friends from there, I can’t help but shed tears. Thirty years ago we all laughed about the M16 easily available in Semporna and Tawau. “M16 macam dayung simpan dalam perahu.” Then in early 80’s our rangers were posted to guard the waters of Sabah. Rangers withdrawn, now illegals macam lipas all over Sabah and Ronald said it’s not relevant. Rompak every night. KK is not safe anymore. Beside that the people are not that friendly anymore, cautious and fearful.
I still think their talk of lompat to PR is nothing but lobbying for the highest bidder. MPs Sabah tak ada tulang belakang langsung.
#18 by gofortruth on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:33 pm
It goes to show to really affect change, there must be a change of FEDERAL government ASAP!Meanwhile more sad stories will continue.
#19 by pai on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:37 pm
I believe the Deputy Speaker Ronald Kiandee is a Sarawakian, that’s why he has to be the one to disallow the motion amendment! Whereas, the Speaker is a Sabahan & that’s why he has to keep quiet!
Ronald Kiandee has saved the ass of all the Sabah MPs.
#20 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:38 pm
Killer:
In your opinion, is the motion “irrelevant” ? Isn’t this problem a pressing one as you have mentioned in another thread ?
What is relevant is the continuation of BN’s ability to steal.
#21 by Godfather on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:43 pm
PKFTZ scandal – irrelevant
Hindraf issue – irrelevant
Trengganu oil royalties scandal – irrelevant
Iraq Oil for Food programme – irrelevant
Justice for Altantuya – irrelevant
Judicial corruption – irrelevant
AirAsia/MAHB scandal – irrelevant
Anything that affects the den of thieves is irrelevant. What’s the use of Parliament ? If we don’t go all the way now in displacing the den of thieves, God help Bolehland.
#22 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 9:58 pm
Dear oknyua
Please show some respect to Sabahans. Don’t tar everyone with the same brush.
This just goes to show that all your “concerns” about Sabahans are just for the sake of politics.
#23 by devilmaster on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:02 pm
R-U-B-B-E-R S-T-A-M-P !!!
..that was last time la. now no idea lo..:roll:
#24 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:03 pm
Godfather Says:
Today at 21: 38.17 (19 minutes ago)
Killer:
In your opinion, is the motion “irrelevant” ? Isn’t this problem a pressing one as you have mentioned in another thread ?
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How the hell would I know ? Am I the Speaker or what ?
Jokes aside, in personal opinion as stated in the other thread, what is important is containing the illegal immigrants problem is important and not the RIC formation.
You might have missed, but we actually do have reps from Sabah in the Parliament too and I would assume they know what is important for their state better than you, me or Uncle Kit.
#25 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:06 pm
Kiandee is a Sabahan…
I now would wish Sabahan garland him at KK airport when he comes in on his MAS 1 st Class seat. He did a wonderful job after all – saving the politcal lives of most Sabah MPs.
Lets celebrate …one for democracy!
#26 by Vidya Young on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:08 pm
Killer, the Know-All. Suddenly you say “how the hell do I know”. Which part of Godfather’s sentence did you not comprehend? You are asked for your OPINION lah. Paham tak?
#27 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:10 pm
And BTW before you folks go completely bonkers again, may be I should draw you to the fact that there is already some discussion between the PM and the Sabah govt on this issue and we can expect some sort of annoucement soon. The previous commission under DPM Najib is inactive and I believe investigations should have been completed.
Without doubt this is No 1 issue with Sabahans and they don’t need Uncle Kit to do the fighting for them. They are proud people who know how to extract concessions from the Federal govt this time. Don’t believe me ? Go and read Sabah newspapers.
#28 by Killer on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:12 pm
cvl
Just because Kiandee disallowed the motion, it doesnt mean he is a traitor or unconcerned about the issue of illegals. I am sure he and his party already being in discussion about this problem with AAB.
#29 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:22 pm
oknyua, your readings of all Sabah MP [pre clude the DAP MP] is perfectly correct. Anyone of them Sabah MP concerned with the migrant issue should have stood up to clarify point of order, or at least showed support for the presentation of the motion.
UMNO did not just score against DAP, but also devalued and proff what a commercial farce these Sabah’s BN MP threats are….basically cleansed them out of negotiating strength.
Meanwhile,the illegal migrant is a complex and monumental religious creation, one that requires a collation of the principled and willing.
As I mentioned in other comments, the migrant tide did not have economic sense, and still does not have. It only makes senses by looking at the obvious…
#30 by cheng on soo on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:27 pm
Killer Says:
Today at 22: 10.24 (10 minutes ago)
And BTW before you folks go completely bonkers again, may be I ……….. between the PM and the Sabah govt on this issue and we can expect some sort of annoucement soon.
Anybody expect, there can be any effective measures from them (BN) ,?? Don’t expect lah!, It will only be lip services announcement as long as BN is in power !
If BN cannot solve or even alleviate this problem since at least 15 years ago, Anybody expect BN to do anything effective now??
#31 by shortie kiasu on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:37 pm
Quote: “the Malaysian Parliament is regressing backwards instead of striking forward to become a First-World Parliament”.
It can only be the first world parliament if we have the first-world mentality parliamentarians, and the first-world mentality and competence of the speaker in the parliament.
Otherwise, to be of the first-world parliament is just a pipe-dream here in this country, with due respect.
Judging from the historical performance of the majority of the parliamentarians from the ruling coalition, we are still a very way off the mark. If they chose to be so, there is very little the common people can do other than using the vote in their hands once in 5 years.
#32 by dawsheng on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:39 pm
“How could the long-standing and intractable 30-year problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah be irrelevant to what should be the policy concerns of the Federal government for the next 12 months – which in a nutshell is what the Royal Address is all about.”
Sabotaged!… I don’t think so. All the Sabah BN’s MPs have got no ballz, in the end a toilet is better than no toilet.
#33 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:39 pm
It is important that we don’t lose perspective of this very important issue time. Peninsular Malaysia is equally affected by the socio-economic problems associated with illegal workers and illegal immigration. The issue has not been addressed n any comprehensive manner by our Parliament. No comprehensive study has been made and there is no comprehensive plan to deal with the numbers of illegal immigrants and the socio-economic problems associated with illegal immigration.
What is the extent of government complicity? How do illegal aliens obtain employment without work permits? What is the extent of fraud involved? How much does the lackadaisical attitude of government officials contribute to the problem? There is this myriad of issues which need to be addressed by Parliament which our Parliament has not addressed in any meaningful way over decades.
It is time P’ment pass the necessary laws to punish employers – big or small, corporate or individuals and households who knowingly employ illegal aliens. If there are adequate laws and there is no need for new ones to be passed, then it is time to enforce them.
No one really wants to address these issues and offer long term as opposed to ad hoc or piecemeal solutions because it is ‘not convenient to do so’ Everybody is a beneficiary of a broken policy.
In Sabah the issue of illegal immigration has an added dimension given to it i.e. the extent it has affected politics and elections there. Opposition politicians should not just confine the issue of illegal immigration to Sabah alone when the entire country is affected by it – poverty, squatter settlements, prevalence of communicable diseases, denial of access to medical assistance, abuse of illegal substance and their illegal use, spousal abuse, child abuse, prostitution. This is not to mention the degrading treatment illegal immigrants get at their workplace, substandard housing provided by employers, unpaid wages and the abuse at the hands of employers.
This is hypocrisy at its height!
The first step would be for the Malaysian government to sign the 1967 U.N. Protocol.
#34 by Xiao He on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:46 pm
Mr Lim,
It’s most disappointing that your amendment to the motion of thanks has been disallowed by the deputy speaker, on grounds that it is “irrelevant”.. There is no reason at all for him to disallow the amendment.. This is an utter disrespect of parliament shown by the deputy speaker..
Ha, perhaps the BN & UMNO are really scared that why if your amendment was “accidentally” passed through in parliament..
#35 by Xiao He on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:47 pm
Mr Lim,
It’s most disappointing that your amendment to the motion of thanks has been disallowed by the deputy speaker, on grounds that it is “irrelevant”.. There is no reason at all for him to disallow the amendment.. This is an utter disrespect of parliament shown by the deputy speaker..
Ha, perhaps the BN & UMNO are really scared that what if your amendment was “accidentally” passed through in parliament..
(typo in the above message, should be “what if”)
#36 by cvl on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 10:48 pm
In response to Killer. Rebut the following points or forever shut your crap up, unless you want to take up with me the ‘base’ that is associated with this religious illegal migrants.
If Kiandee represents the interest of most genuine Sabahans who have voiced out strongly against the illegal migrant, the deputy speaker would have called sick. Being Sabahan Kiandee war is the migrant issue aka Project IC, but what he had today was a personal battle dished out by UMNO – and predictably he bowed out as other Sabah MP did because they have their financial balls within UMNO’s grip. And he forgot about the war…
What the BN government has for this illegal migrant issue is their commitment to ensure the tide keeps on coming or else….
To press a point. When Chong brought to court the Project IC at Kota Kinabalu High Court, the BN government shot it down, and Chong lost the suit as is articled in MalaysiaToday [of all days]. Indicators are there showing the illegal arrivals from Southern Philippine increased three folds following the court findings – they knew they were welcomed, tested in court.
#37 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:02 pm
“That’s why I am questioning Kit’s sincerity in tabling this motion. If he has Sabah and Sabahan at heart, he would be asking for actions on illegal immigrants and NOT calling for a RIC. So that’s why I am saying Kit is just another politician taking Sabahans for a ride.” killer
We’d be less than honest not admit to the political impact a Royal Commission of Inquiry has. YB Kit is not concerned with the socio-economic and humanitarian issues connected with illegal immigration.
Let’s just say that Kit like many other opposition politicians in stopping illegal immigrants from voting at elections has a political interest in Sabah.
Even in advance countries like the United States voter fraud is still a serious issue. It could come in many forms. Illegal aliens used to be able to vote by just showing their driving licenses to officials manning the booths. In Malaysia the extent of fraud is more serious as it leads to the highest levels of government.
#38 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:37 pm
“This just goes to show that all your “concerns” about Sabahans are just for the sake of politics”. Killer
Helllo, did Sdr Lim tell you that he is not a politician? He is a full time politician. He job is to indulge in political process to get things done. What do you mean by “for the sake of politics”. In case you have not already known, every damn thing is politics. From the day you are born – to which race, region and family is politics, got it? I wish you were born to a Christian native family in Sabah and can still talk the same cow sense here as you are doing here.
#39 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:42 pm
“we actually do have reps from Sabah in the Parliament too and I would assume they know what is important for their state better than you, me or Uncle Kit”. Killer
Oh, so enlightening! I did not know there are MPs from Sabah. Thank you for letting us know. Well, you assumed wrong. MPs from Sabah may know the problem, but relying on them to solve it may be entirely a different matter. And before you conclude that the illegal immigrants problem is just confined to Sabah, you better think again. As highlighted in many sources including Undergrad2, soon the problems associated with foreign workers, whether legal or illegal, will be as acute here as in Sabah. Sabah MPs are under the thumb of Federal government. Everybody knows it except the “know-all” like you. What a surprise!
#40 by limkamput on Thursday, 22 May 2008 - 11:43 pm
And BTW before you folks go completely bonkers again, may be I should draw you to the fact that there is already some discussion between the PM and the Sabah govt on this issue and we can expect some sort of annoucement soon. Killer
Oh, again you know something that we don’t. Now assuming what is said is true, may I know why this issue can only be tackled between PM and Sabah govt? Are you saying others like Sdr Lim can not get involved? Is Sabah part of Malaysia? Can the opposition parties help expedite the resolution of problems in Sabah? After all, it has been more than 30 years and the problems never seem to get better. What make you think that it is going to be different this time?
#41 by year of snake on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:00 am
As I have said in the other blog that the Sabah MPs are walking on a tight rope. Supporting the motion they will be called traitors to BN and Oppossing the Motion will get them hell when they go back to Sabah. Therefore, the deputy speaker have save them by disallowing the Motion. I am sure the no b..ls Sabah MPs have a hand in this. Wake up you Sabahans and see what sort of MPs you have voted in.
#42 by Thambiraja on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:07 am
AS all Barisan speakers, Deputy Speaker Ronald Kiandee need not use his brain or intelligence, already been briefed what to say. They are like robots who who only know how to say ‘irrelevant’.
#43 by alancheah on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:19 am
gofortruth Says:
Yesterday at 21: 33.21
It goes to show to really affect change, there must be a change of FEDERAL government ASAP!Meanwhile more sad stories will continue.
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Correct.
#44 by badak on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:20 am
Why worry about Sabah,When the Sabah MP,s don,t care…Mr Lim visit KL on a sunday.Places like Pudu Raya, Kotar Raya, Masjid India.These place are full of foreigners.It look like a united nation gathering.Go to places like the Damansara and you will find alot of mini kampung.Indon kampung ,banglar Kampung,Nepalis Kampung.What is the goverment doing about it.
#45 by myint3 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:22 am
Humanly, by and large you are right that there are only a handful of us in Sabah who wants change. Remember the poverty rate in Sabah is above 20%. How many enlightened and educated Sabahans compare to the uneducated rural folks who are unsophisticated in the area of politics. There were allegations that certain BN candidate hand out cash to parents of school going children in a few schools during or before the last GE. So frankly speaking, it will be a tough endeavour to turn the tide in Sabah but please do not give up on us yet.
And then there are the new imported Malays(ciplak Malays, the Illegal Immigrants whom somehow manage to get their hands on MyKard).
But we are definitely not docile.
#46 by HaiHiung on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:33 am
I was wondering how the Sabah BN MPs would save themselves from the impending embarrassment when I know of your motion for the amendment. Guessed my mind wasn’t creative enough, they were saved by their House Speaker Brethren…
It has been an open secret in Sabah for the past decades that BN won their seats in Sabah because of Project IC holders, there’re just no way that they would support your motion as it would mean burning their own ships to them…
#47 by lakilompat on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:38 am
“Remember the poverty rate in Sabah is above 20%”
Surprisingly, all the Sabahan & Sarawakian seems don’t mind when everything they spent cost more than the Peninsula, are they mute or too obedient to obey the authority?
#48 by lakilompat on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:40 am
” you will find alot of mini kampung.Indon kampung ,banglar Kampung,Nepalis Kampung.What is the goverment doing about it.”
These are the ppl. where civil servant and police can benefit from, e.g. duit kopi, and duit komisyen to obtain certain documents.
#49 by UzMiNoOnist on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:41 am
“Deputy Speaker Ronald Kiandee disallowed it on the ground that it was irrelevant.”
Now Sabah’s problem is irrelevant to BN.
Come on Sabahan, how can you stand by without doing anything, you are disregarded as irrelevant to BN.
Wake up man !
#50 by yhsiew on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 1:33 am
Kit,
Don’t be upset by the sabotage. It is a blessing in disguise for PR!
Recently, a minister from Sabah (can’t remember his name) told UMNO that if they continued to ignore Sabah’s problems, he and his gang would withdraw from BN. The minister even asked UMNO to send Sabah’s illegal immigrants to Johor, Melaka and Negri Sembilan and not Selangor and Perak. He was actually giving the hint that he and his gang would support PR if BN refuse to find a solution to the problems in Sabah.
BN’s continuing indifferent attitude towards the situation in Sabah would likely “encourage” more BN MPs to cross over to PR should defection occur.
#51 by pwcheng on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:10 am
BN already knows your move. The sleepy PM and his henchmen must have found that the best way out is to reject the motion right away. Fire is raging everywhere and the Mahathir’s fire is burning almost at the doorstep. So the best thing to do is to kill this fire before it can even get started. Otherwise some Sabah MPs might rear its ugly head and embarrass the sleepy head and make BN more divisive.
#52 by undergrad2 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:25 am
Why don’t you guys address the wider issue of illegal immigration? Sabah is just an example of how illegal immigration has changed the entire political landscape of that state.
#53 by ReformMalaysia on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:27 am
This is the inherent problem in a parliament when the SPEAKER post is held by a non-neutral person(in this case -from ruling party- BARISAN NASIONAL).
Motions that all not `Barisan Nasional interest-friendly ‘ would be rejected as irrelevant.
We should have a Dewan Rakyat Speaker which can act similar to a judge in a court of law…. but even the courts in Malaysia neutrality at times are questionable (probably contributed by the ‘correct…. correct! correct ! correct!! scandal or the like scandals )
#54 by undergrad2 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:29 am
“Without doubt this is No 1 issue with Sabahans and they don’t need Uncle Kit to do the fighting for them. They are proud people who know how to extract concessions from the Federal govt this time. Don’t believe me ? Go and read Sabah newspapers.” killer
Are we seeing the begining of a movement – the Sabah Liberation Front Movement with limkamput (a peninsular Malaysian) as its chairman??
#55 by isahbiazhar on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 4:38 am
I was pessimistic all the time.The Sabahans themselves must be serious if not nothing can be done.Mr Lim was brushed aside as the issue was not pressing at this moment of time.Sabahans want to extract as much as possible from Abdullah before taking arms against him.We have to be patient and see what is their next move.Even Mahathir is feeling low because his action had not resulted in any catastrophic effect.Sabahans have a choice while UMNO has none.Abdullah must survive and so he will uplift them.Watch and see!
#56 by clearwater on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 5:22 am
I’m not surprised. It’s not the opportune time to bring up the illegals issue. The BN members of parliament from Sabah are not yet ready to revolt and support you in any event. Try again at another time when they are.
#57 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 5:59 am
dear killer,
Seriously, I believe you owe Yb Lim Kit Siang an Apology.
If you are truly committed to your principles of the root cause of the “legalised immigrants”, you should support anyones’ effort to bare all the truth in Project IC.
I was already in Sabah since Datuk Harris Salleh’s time, and Sabahans are always wary of what West Malaysian are doing to their State. I needed a work permit to work in Sabah, whereas, Sabahans do not need one to work in Peninsula Malaysia. This was an agreed terms in joining Negara Malaysia. I am not complaining.
killer,
You are a commoner who love Sabah so much, and would dread to see the state filled with ‘approved aliens’ , you should join in to support YB Lim or any other bodies that can raise this issue in Parliament. Do you know why YB Pairin Kitingan (PBS) form an alliance with BN ? i know. Do you know why the rotation of chief minister was initiated in Sabah ? i know. Do you know why LDP was the last Non Bumi Cm of Sabah ? i know.
I will support ANY MPs from the State of Sabah to move a motion for a RCI on the illegal immigrant. but so far none did that. It is like what mca, gerakan, mic were claiming to be doing for those they represented. (within the three walls of bn) all these years. Till one came out as an expired beggar after two decades. I dont think you have that much time my dear “killer” to wait another two decades .
thank you.
#58 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 6:09 am
YB Lim,
There will be another day. Next friday is Harvest Festival in Sabah. so maybe, you can try again next week .
#59 by kerishamuddinitis on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 6:21 am
Wahlaueh, Adam Yong knows more than KILLER! And Adam was so much more even in tone than KILLER’S ‘How the hell would I know” outburst. Killer’s ‘concern’ is just like the BN-type; ‘concerned’ but nothing concrete is done. If it does get done, there’s a money-spinning machine somewhere in there.
Go, Killer, go…
#60 by Malaysian on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 8:02 am
YB Lim
As expected, Kiandee who is the UMNO Beluran MP will take whatever way to sabotage your motion. No UMNO politicians will support any move to tackle this issue as they are only beneficially from the Project IC. Instead you should challange Yong Teck Lee to ask his party two MPs (Sepanggar and Tawau) to table a motion top set up a RIC on the illegal immigrants issue in Sabah. If he really has balls. SAPP should not only talk in the press to satisfy thier supporter. Yong Teck Lee should also guide them how to table a motion as I doubt both of them know how to table a motion in Parliament UPko is useless as thier MPs i.e. Dompok(Minister in PM dept), Mojigoh and Bumburing (deadwood who replaced Tangau in Tuaran) are not interested in this issue anymore.
#61 by devilmaster on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 8:44 am
#62 by taiking on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 8:45 am
Undergrad made a valid point.
Obviously, the cowboys are afraid of the aliens in sabah.
So uncle kit, shift your position a little.
Widen the issue to cover all aliens in the country.
Then try again in parliament.
Sabahan MPs, what have You guys got to say?
And Sabahans, what have You guys got to say?
My say? BN is beyond salvage.
Just jump.
Right NOW.
#63 by robert wong on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 8:49 am
Dear Mr Donald Kiandee , I guess you have betrayed your KDN race especially “SUNGEI” race. I guess you would only feel the pinch when you or your family were to be robbed or hurt by the illegals. Because of self-interest you have done an utmost disgrace to all your genuine Sabahan.
The LORD will watch over every move you make.
#64 by robert wong on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 9:00 am
Dear Mr Ronald Kiandee, one fine day, please come to Tawau and have a close look, illegals are building their “Second Homes” on government lands right infront of the federal and state governments departments’ quarters !! Mind you also , they received free cukai pintu, electricity and water as well.
Are those federal or state governments’ officers blinded or they are the one who so generous and sympathise to their “sepupu”.
#65 by seage on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 9:20 am
If one is a turkey among a group of eagles, they will divulge their real identity when they let out a gobble. That much I can say abt our how-do-i-know ala Nazri styled Killer.
“You might have missed, but WE actually do have reps from Sabah in the Parliament too and I would assume they know what is important for their state better than you, me or Uncle Kit.”. [Killer]
Notice the “WE” in his statement? Who is the “WE”? The Sabahan? Us? Who? Turkeys? When Killer respond to this later, it can qualify for another joke of the day.
“Without doubt this is No 1 issue with Sabahans and they don’t need Uncle Kit to do the fighting for them. They are proud people who know how to extract concessions from the Federal govt this time.” [Killer]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another joke of the day. Priceless! Note the word “Sabahan” and “they” being used as synonim. The one million dollar or ringgit question:
Does the term Sabahan equates to (A) All the original ppl who lived in Sabah 30yrs ago, (B) All the immigrants under project IC (C) All of the Above?
Suddenly Killer can represent the Sabahan. Way to go Killer! At last you are speaking out for the “Sabahan”! Come, let us toast!
#66 by oknyua on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 9:33 am
Aha.. killer made this thread interesting.
To show respect for Sabahans, yes, I have some very close friends from Sandakan, Tawau, Inanam, and of course KK. You profess to have worked, and employed them, but the group your associated with could be homogenously pro establishment that had one way or another been the receivers of handouts from the administration. This is my guess only, ok.
But my friends are the lorry drivers, mechanics, carpenters, construction workers, matel employees, security guards etc. And why are the unskilled here in W Malaysia? You think about it. Motor Mechanic Ujang (Kadazan) said, “Kalau gaji separuh ada, besok pun saya balik ke kampung.” Usof (Malay) said, “Sana susah, boss, mau cari makan macam ini mana dapat?”
Don’t believe me, check AirAsia flights from 1st May to 30th May.
#67 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 9:42 am
Are we seeing the begining of a movement – the Sabah Liberation Front Movement with limkamput (a peninsular Malaysian) as its chairman??
Dear Mr Undergrad2, I don’t what is your motive with regard to Sabah Liberation Front Movement. Obviously that is NOT what we are talking about here. You are an expert in law, so be careful of you are saying.
However, if you want to know about the devastating impact of foreign workers in Malaysia, may be I can give you a piece on the “Economics of Foreign Workers”. Unlike Killer who claims he is an expert but actually not, I am not an expert but actually I am, hahaha. Sorry, it is just a joke.
#68 by RitchieLow on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 9:44 am
Hope the problem is addressed soon before the Sabahans take matters into their own hands like what is currently unfolding in South Africa. That wouldn’t be Malaysian like, would it ?
#69 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:10 am
Undergrad2,
I think we must hold true to what we believe. If we agree with an issue, we agree. If we disagree, then we disagree. To say that we all think alike on the illegal immigrants issue is not fair. It is obviously clear to most that the problem in Sabah needs resolution fast, one way or another. Killer is just talking nonsense, paid for by vested interest groups perhaps.
Please don’t say we are mere “yes men” to Sdr Kit. I hope you have read my posts with regard to election of deputy speakers and how at least 17 PK MPs have shown to be “bodoh sombong”. I took off my glove, you remember? And I am still waiting for the declaration of assets by all the PK controlled states. Why still nothing happens? Do they need Federation Government’s approval for doing that? One more, if you want to read the stupid statements made by Elizabeth Wong, the State Exco for Environment of Selangor, please go here: limkamput – nincompoop.blogspot.com
#70 by Saint on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:17 am
Yes, Saudara Kit, we are all disappointed, but as said in my previous post; the motion will not go through. UMNO (and BN) cannot and just do not want to learn. We have to understand this and prepare our strategies accordingly.
#71 by Godfather on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:45 am
Killer, the UMNO mouthpiece, has the typical Barisan Nasional response:
“I know what the problem is, but I’m not telling. All we can say is that the problem is bigger than anyone thought, and we need more time. We don’t welcome solutions from the Opposition. Anything that the Opposition proposes, we will shoot the motion down first. We will call it irrelevant or simply not urgent. Case closed.”
The rakyat has to rise up and vote these clowns out of office for good. Incompetence begets incompetence.
#72 by sheriff singh on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:57 am
When you sit on the Speaker’s chair, you get possessed by the “Its specific, of public interest but not urgent” syndrome started and suffered by the previous occupants.
Add to that the “irrelevant” variant now. I tell you that chair needs to be exorcised before it affects its occupants.
Kiandee is merely protecting his Sabahan MPs and friends in high places. Many of them could be illegals too and don’t want to be found out and deported. Its a good life there. Anybody checked their papers?
There was a case some years ago of a Tawau town councillor who served for 22 long years before he was found out to be an illegal with forged documents.
Then Nur Misauri, the muslim rebel from the southern Philippines, was seen using KK airport frequently on his many overseas trips to Libya and mid-east. See how easy it is in the Land of the Wind?
Illegals go to Keningau and the interior for a while, then emerge and make their way to the nearest registration department and claim you just emerged from the forests and is indeed a Malaysian citizen. They will help you get your papers pronto. These days the process is even shorter, from the boat directly to the office.
Its sooo easy to be a bumiputra in Sabah. Why, even Pakistanis, Afghans, Pashtuns etc are living and working everywhere in KK. And parts of KK is more Filipino than Mindanao. Come and visit and get your papers done at the same time. The airlines are offerening free seats.
#73 by Godfather on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:59 am
Limkamput:
How about stupid statements made by Jeffooi in his blog ? Laughable but that guy brooks no dissent. He will have you blacklisted on his blog if you dare criticise him. At least here, Kit is magnanimous in allowing an UMNOputra to air his views.
#74 by Godfather on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:01 am
Talking about unfair reporting, it happens on Opposition blogs too. If you read Jeff Ooi’s blog, he kisses … Tony Fernandez until his nose was brown, and a few days later, it was reported in the Star that AirAsia actually owes MAHB RM110 million from 2002 ! Was that reported by the brown-noser Jeff Ooi ? Noooooo…
#75 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:09 am
Godfather, I rarely visit other sites. What about? Once I did a post in Tony’s site, but it was not published immediately. They need filtering I guess.
#76 by Godfather on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:14 am
Try going through this mutual admiration society….
http://www.jeffooi.com/2008/05/let_them_fight_consumers_will.php#comments
#77 by Godfather on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:17 am
Anyway, let’s not digress from our Killer-bashing mode…..
#78 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:18 am
i guess it is everywhere. We have showmen/women in PK too, for sure.
#79 by Killer on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:56 am
Datuk Anifah Aman (BN – Kimanis), who had been one of the Sabahans to speak out, said they would file their own motion.
“We do not want … others to say it for us. We will put in our own motion. Ipoh Timur’s proposal for a Royal Commission would not have been what we wanted. Nobody loves Sabah as much as we do,” he said.
#80 by oknyua on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:57 am
The rakyat has to rise up and vote these clowns out of office for good. Incompetence begets incompetence.]] Godfather
That is the big problem. The voters are illegal foreigners who outvoted citizens.
So back to my argument – the BN MPs’ sincerity in the solution when the solution means killing themselves.
#81 by Killer on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:59 am
Kalabakan MP Datuk Abdul Ghapur Salled said – royal commission was not necessary.
Yong Tek Lee said – although not an MP himself, he would make a commitment after studying Lims motion
Pensiangan MP Tan Sri Joseph Kurup said – “what we want is action. There is no point for a commission if it ends up just another toothless tiger”
#82 by oknyua on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:07 pm
So, it pure political, right killer?
#83 by Killer on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:21 pm
Folks
Now you would have realised what I had been telling before. These Sabahans want RESULTS. And they are more than capable of taking care of Sabah’s interests than leaving to a political opportunist from Semenanjung. If want RIC, they will do it themselves. Please give them some respect and due credit.
#84 by Killer on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:23 pm
So folks for all your arguments and personal attacks, all your comments look made to silly after the abjact failure of the motion and the comments by Sabahan reps.
#85 by cheng on soo on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:33 pm
If uncle LKS do not start this issue, anybody expect all those BN Sabah MPs would suddenly be concern on this issue??
OR any BN Sabah MP suddenly want result??
So who is / are political opportunist?? Would think none other than present BN Sabah MPs (as this problem is at least 15 years old oledi !! All those BN Sabah MP had at least sleep that long on this !!) fit this name.
This is someone’s outdated idea, i.e.,
Only BN Sabahan MP should care about Sabah problem, no other Msian should care??
Only BN Sarawak MP should care for sarawakian
Only UMNO MP should care for Malay Msian ??
Only MCA MP should care for Chinese Msian ??
Only MIC MP should care for Indian Msian & so on
Since wgen is “caring for” various Msia problems bcome “patented right” of certain parties??
Who is not giving who due credit & respect ??
#86 by oknyua on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:35 pm
Killer, don’t jump the gun yet. Lets wait and see if Anifah, Yong teck Lee, Pairin et al make good their words.
Don’t forget Anifah was D Minister last term. Yong Teck Lee was CM. Ghapur, I don’t have to say anything at all. You know him. But don’t let the people wait too long. Give them one year?
#87 by cheng on soo on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:35 pm
sorry typing error, Should be “Since when is….”
#88 by tswern on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:46 pm
BN Sabah MP’s do not have any back bone.
Uncle Kit, don’t give up!
#89 by Zeroshit on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:47 pm
I will never forgive Ronald Kiandee for doing this. For the Sabah MPs who wanted to vote against this motion, you must be relieved but its not over yet. We still view u as traitors. We dont even view u as Sabahans anymore. Just proves that Sabah has become a mere puppet state just like Manchukuo. We will not let this pass. You and Kiandee will get what u deserve from the Sabahan people no less. Just u wait.
#90 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:51 pm
The bloody posterior is talking again. If MPs from Sabah are sincere and capable of solving problems, the illegal immigrants issue would have become so acute today. One more thing, please don’t think illegal immigrants are just Sabah’s problem. If they can get the blue ICs there, they can come here, am I right, POSTERIOR? You are just a good for nothing “pua tang sai”.
May I remind all the spineless MPs from Sabah – you don’t have the sole prerogative to solve the illegal immigration issue in Sabah! Good for nothing A**es, and yet want to talk so big.
#91 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:53 pm
sorry post again, mistakes above.
The bloody posterior is talking again. If MPs from Sabah are sincere and capable of solving problems, the illegal immigrants issue would NOT have become so acute today. One more thing, please don’t think illegal immigrants are just Sabah’s problem. If they can get the blue ICs there, they can come here, am I right, POSTERIOR? You are just a good for nothing “pua tang sai”.
May I remind all the spineless MPs from Sabah – you don’t have the sole prerogative to solve the illegal immigration issue in Sabah! Good for nothing A**es, and yet want to talk so big.
#92 by Zeroshit on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 12:54 pm
So Sabahan ppl, I hope this revelation would be enough tell us that Barisan Nasional is NOT FOR SABAH. All the tough talk recently by Ghapur, Yong Teck Lee, Marcus Mojigoh, Dompok, etc, in the end becomes mere empty talk. Pakatan Rakyat is our only choice!
#93 by cheng on soo on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 1:06 pm
Those who said / think only BN Sabah MP should care / about Sabah problems is comparable to the ideas of Myanmar Junta, i.e. only Myanmar Junta should care / do the relief works for Myanmar cyclone victims !!
#94 by Zeroshit on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 1:18 pm
Killer,
What “Sabahans” are you talking about? Sabahan MPs or Sabahan people? I assume u mean Sabahan MPs. When you say Sabahan MPs are more than capable than taking care of itself. U are right! They only know how to take care of their own personal interest, but not Sabahan interest. So in this circumstance, we need other Malaysian (no need to be Sabahan) to take care of Sabahan interest. The MPs have made a blunder for not taking this motion seriously. Stupiduty at the highest order. Sabahan MPs can piss off.
#95 by novice101 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 1:22 pm
LKS – care to comment on the words and actions of Wan Azizah Wan Ismail and Nik Aziz, Both openly invited mahathir to join their parties.
Why does the DAP keeping ‘its elegance slience’ on this???
#96 by Killer on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:06 pm
Ok folks
Confession time.
To begin with (I have to disagree with Jeffrey here) I thought this motion was oxymoronic. Though on the paper it looked as though Kit was hitting three birds with one stone (to blacken BN’s name, to show solidarity with Sabah and split the BN loyaty of Sabah reps) but only the naive (there are many here unfortunately) would believe this would work in the world of realpolitik. I did not comment on this to led Uncle Kit try and fall flat on his face.
You want to know why ?
If this motion is supported by Sabah BN, it would be akin to a political Harakiri. Why ?
It would show that Sabah BN MPs failed to do their duties and it has taken someone from Seberang to highlight it. These MPs would never allow Kit to steal their thunder.
Secondly supporting the motion would mean a betrayal of the BN spirit and would incur the wrath of AAB and national leadership.
Thirdly, it would allow DAP to exploit it to score a propaganda victory that would backfire in the coming days, weeks and month.
And finally, supporting the motion would mean endorsing DAP’s policies and it would put DAP in a stronger position with Sabahans. DAP would be able to capitalize it in the next state elections and GE.
My guess is the reason for “killing” the motion is to deprive the publicity that DAP might enjoy in Sabah due to this motion, irrespective if the Sabah MPs support it or otherwise.
I am surprised that someone as experienced and smart as Kit failed to think through carefully and let him be outmaneuvered by these Sabah MPs. I think Kit is losing his touch. First he allowed KJ to kick his rear and then this.
#97 by i_love_malaysia on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:17 pm
YB, it is expected, I’m sad too for those in power and authority were not exercising what they supposed to do. Our beloved country will be filled with legallised immigrants in no time!!! Our country will be the most “open” country in the world for welcoming immigrants of its own kind which belongs to the supreme race!!!
#98 by lchk on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:20 pm
Killer posted:
“I am surprised that someone as experienced and smart as Kit failed to think through carefully and let him be outmaneuvered by these Sabah MPs. I think Kit is losing his touch. First he allowed KJ to kick his rear and then this.”
The only manuevering exists in your own addled mind. The only one who thinks KJ and the Sabahan MPs are being victorious over Kit is you and no one else – except perhaps your UMNO political masters.
By rejecting the motion, the pressure is on the Sabah BN MPs to sort out the illegal immigrant mess starting from the time they rejected the motion.
Trust Kit and some others to bring this matter up if it doesn’t get sorted out in due time. Not that I am expecting it to be sorted out anyway as evidenced by the “Project IC” of the past two decades in Sabah.
#99 by i_love_malaysia on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:21 pm
Time to pray for our beloved country, so that it will not fall into the hands of the evil ones!!!
#100 by limkamput on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:24 pm
Talking about naivety, has it even occurred to you (yes you, the Posterior) that Sdr Lim foresaw that (i) the motion will be rejected by the speaker or (ii) the motion will not be supported by the MPs from Sabah even if the speaker allowed it. It is obvious you can’t see this. Look, you are more stupid than I thought.
#101 by i_love_malaysia on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:28 pm
When every human action fails, God offers hope!!! even communist China is talking about looking to heaven i.e. God, when earthquake hit Sichuan!!!
#102 by lchk on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:29 pm
Killer posted:
“Now you would have realised what I had been telling before. These Sabahans want RESULTS. And they are more than capable of taking care of Sabah’s interests than leaving to a political opportunist from Semenanjung. If want RIC, they will do it themselves. Please give them some respect and due credit.”
Sabah is part of Malaysia.
It is a Malaysian problem.
Illegal immigrants entering via Sabah or into any other Malaysian state is a problem for Malaysia.
Give RESPECT to Malaysians helping fellow Malaysians and stop calling for divisive policies of segmenting Malaysians by state and by ethnicity.
#103 by Zeroshit on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:43 pm
Well Anifah said he would table a motion himself. Me and many other Sabahans will be waiting anxiously. God willing.
#104 by Zeroshit on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 2:47 pm
Killer, does not the voice of common Sabahan mean anything to you? U only seem to be interested in politics and political survival. What about community interest and welfare? The Sabahan MPs had all the time in the world to do this, but they failed. Sekarang baru dia mau buat bising. Tapi tindakan tiada!
#105 by helpless on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:00 pm
What happened?
Over the years, those immigrants were probably be part of the society in day-to-day working life.
Knowing that is a sensitive issue, we fear MP from Sabah & Sarawak might selfishly consider their own interest rather than supporting the motion.
#106 by seage on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:18 pm
Killer, the points that you have just raised, I have already posted in the previous thread. Say something original. If someone as raw as me can foresee the picture, I am sure YB LKS had seen it coming. Don’t act like you know all when you don’t (as per your claim earlier) and don’t act like you know nothing (as per your earlier demonstration too). The blog is not filled w buffoons like Bo Nao. Let those that have eyes see and those with ear hears and those discerning discerns. The MPs from Sabah are in hot waters regardless of their claim as the rakyat can see what they r doing and more so the Sabahan.
#107 by Damocles on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 3:55 pm
All arguments are futile.
Just boot the BN out as soon as possible.
#108 by novice101 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 4:30 pm
LKS – care to comment on the words and actions of Wan Azizah Wan Ismail and Nik Aziz, Both openly invited mahathir to join their parties.
Why is DAP keeping ‘its elegance slience’ on this???
#109 by badak on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 4:38 pm
We call ourself East and West Malaysian,We call ourself Johorians,Orang Ipoh,orang Negeri Sembilan and many more. We call ourself , Chiness ,malay ,Indians ,Eurasians.We say we are Bumiputras none Bumiputras,But when we are overseas, we tell every one we meet we are Malaysians.
When we are in our own country ,It is wrong for a Muslim to enter a CHURCH OR OTHER HOUSE OF WORSHIPS.But when we travel overseas, there is no problem Visiting thier CHURCHES OR thier houses of WORSHIPS.
#110 by Vidya Young on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 4:40 pm
Killer Says:
Yesterday at 11: 56.12 (3 hours ago)
“Datuk Anifah Aman (BN – Kimanis), who had been one of the Sabahans to speak out, said they would file their own motion. We do not want … others to say it for us. We will put in our own motion. Ipoh Timur’s proposal for a Royal Commission would not have been what we wanted. Nobody loves Sabah as much as we do.”
================================================
To Killer
There you go again, Mr “Know-All”, “Mr Concerned”. How long is it going to take Sabahans to file “their own motion”? Another 30 years? Ya, ya, ya, we have heard it all. Datuk Anifah Aman is just another BN politician, filling up his coffers in the interim.
If Sabahans are incapable of sanitizing their ‘homes’, then at least be modest enough to allow someone highly capable and genuinely concerned to do it instead!
Could it be that they are complacent to live in a £$%-hole?
#111 by cheng on soo on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 6:31 pm
Someone who think / commented, only BN Sabah MP should care about this problem??
If one day this “someone” is sick, Will he / she insist only a doctor of his / her race from his home state / town / city / kampong can understand him / her and treat him / her accordingly. No other Msian doctor should treat him / her??
Is this ‘someone’ same as Myanmar Junta??
Do BN Sabah MP also insist, only poilcemen / soldiers of Sabah origin should defence Sabah or take part in any exercise to check on or deport illegals ??
If like that, Will these Sabah MP consider for independent and form the NEGARA SABAH BAWAH BAYU !
#112 by undergrad2 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 6:46 pm
“Please don’t say we are mere “yes men” to Sdr Kit.” limkamput
Let’s not mislead readers into thinking that I did.
#113 by myint3 on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 7:25 pm
Most of the Sabah MPs who are now voicing their demands for redress on this issue were the ones who were directly involved in letting UMNO having a foothold in Sabah. They sold their constituents to the highest bidder. There used to be some semblance of “self autonomy”(these term is loosely used here) during the PBS era. Remember, under Pairin, Sabah managed to resist the courtship of BN for four consecutive elections. Until the last one, where PBS won but the state government crumbled when MPs who won under the PBS flag leaped frog to BN.
So forgive us Sabahans for doubting these BN MPs/politicians now. Although we welcome their recent boldness in demanding this and that from the federal government but one can’t stop having a nagging feeling behind one’s head that they were the ones who pimped us out to BN in the first place. One must add that UMNO is the biggest pimp of Malaysians. They are the head pimp amongst all the other BN components.
Are they(Sabah BN MPs) doing all this now with genuine concern for the interest of Sabahans or are they simply putting pressure to gain political favour or mileage from the federal government?
Even Pairin, the so called Huguon Siou, poster child of Sabah democracy during the 80s is a shadow of himself these days.
Sorry lah, Sabah BN MPs. What result are you talking about? You are part of the problem. Step aside. You say you love Sabah more than anyone else, you mean you love Sabah’s money. You should be ashamed of yourself that a West Malaysian has to champion for Sabah’s rights, an opposition one at that. Malu kan. That’s why you keep quiet about the motion lah.
You pimped us, allow us to be plundered and raped, molested, drugged ….
#114 by kerishamuddinitis on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 10:59 pm
Yo, all Sabahans reading this, KILLER posted above that you guys do not want others speaking up for you. OK, that’s a fair statement. Now, will you SPEAK UP for yourselves?
Your Sabahan MP’s said Sabahans can do this for yourselves. They also said ‘no need for RCI, we want action’!
So, will you now speak up and address KILLER so that he knows what you think. I am not sure how many of the writers here are Pen Malaysians, but what is needed now is a deluge of responses to Killer’s opinion that Kit should leave it to Sabahans to solve Sabah’s problems.
Will you?
And if and when you do, would you also kindly write to all the Sabah MPs who litrerally told Kit to his face not to waste time fighting for Sabahans.
#115 by best4rakyat on Friday, 23 May 2008 - 11:42 pm
Till today……petroleum price already reaching at about us $135! Moreover, our many potential Malaysian students with good grade in Cambridge “A-Level” not STPM couldn’t get acceptance of a place in local (public) Universities instead are being offered places with “good recognition even in NUS of Singapore or overseas. Problem is not only need to travel far away but financially too because many are from the hardcore poor family!
Why!why!why! as have been asked about by many parents and of course this should be part of many plan about for a developing nation in education too.
Keep it up and suppose all good MPs can see many reasons behind every weak systems in our country. It is only whether they sincerely wish to see good future of our young Malaysian!
Keep it up if it is a positive motion.
#116 by Killer on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 12:09 am
Yo folks
Aren’t we forgetting the simple fact that these Sabah BNs were elected by the Sabahan themselves in the GE and the state elections ? If these MPs have failed Sabah or failed to represent the best interest of the state, they would have been booted out.
While I have my personal opinion about the issue, how the Sabahan want this issue best handled is up to them. Suggesting otherwise is showing disrespect to these proud people.
It never ceases to amuse and amaze that people who never even heard of or bothered about Sabah just few days ago (these people shall remain nameless for the sake of politeness) have suddenly become rabid defender of Sabah’s interest, shedding tears and keying away furiously posts after posts in this blog.
Well, I never claimed to represent Sabah or know how the issue is best handled. I had been telling that Kit is just taking the Sabahan for a ride by being a political crocodile.
Well, I am not about to give the Froggies here a lecture on the origin of the problem. But I would like to caution that although Dr M was the main culprit but the root cause is very complex due to the history of Sabah / Mindanao politics. This is a very sensitive subject as some of the stuff is not in public domain so it is best to leave it at that.
My personal point is simple, tackle the illegals issue immediately. And again I would challenge some of the half-baked comments here that the inward flow is still continuing. It has stopped for the last fews years now (actually stopped during Dr M’s time). The issue now is on how to best to clean up the ones already inside Sabah.
There are some other injustices had been inflicted upon Sabahans which I hope will be reversed too. Kit has now clue on these problems and I am not about to enlighten him or the rest here. But the Sabah MPs know these problems too well and I trust they know what do best.
#117 by lchk on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 12:48 am
Killer posted:
“But the Sabah MPs know these problems too well and I trust they know what do best.”
If they knew what was best, they would have flushed out the illegal immigrant problem long ago.
Also, as someone here has rightly pointed out, illegal immigrants in Sabah can move elsewhere to other parts of Malaysia which your mentally challenged brain did not comprehend.
Kit does not need you to enlighten him on anything – you are an UMNO mouthpiece hence you have nothing to contribute here except being mocked at.
#118 by robert wong on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 7:53 am
All Sabah BN MPs are scum-bags , they don’t represent the majority of the genuine sabahans aspirations , they were put into power by bogust voters ie illegal immigrants who possess double nationalities. What Sabah urgently needed are new breed of young and vibrant politicians who are able to bring fresh ideas and clean politics back to Sabah . The present BN politicians are too corrupted to be called YB. The present BN YBs are not genuine to tackling the illegal immigrant issue , all they are harping is to get more political milage and projects for their cronies and themselves.
#119 by myint3 on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 9:38 am
This is a report on the front page of The Daily Express(one of Sabah’s local newspaper which West Malaysians wouldn’t have access to) today:
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DISAPPOINTING, SAYS ENG LEONG
Kota Kinabalu : The rejection of the motion for the establishment of a Royal Commission of Inquiry on Sabah Illegal Immigrants in Parlianment on Thursday is disappointing, said Parti Bersatu Sabah Supreme Council member, Dr Chong Eng Leong.
He said the motion should have been allowed and supported by the Sabah MPs because “it is not anti-Barisan Nasional nor pro Pakatan Rakyat but a matter of defending the sovereignty of Sabah within malaysia”.
In a statement, Friday, Dr Chong said the counter proposal by Datuk Anifah Aman to set up the Parliamentary Select Committee to solve Sabah Problems might not succeed(see main story).
This was based on past experience like the committee chaired by Tan Sri Bernard Dompok “when there was a directive from the higher-ups not to cooperate”, he said.
“So what guarantee can we get that the issue will be solved? We have experienced before that the Parliamentary Select Committee (on Integrity) did not work so why not just for for the Royal Commission of Inquiry(RCI),”he asked.
He said now that Sabah and Sarawak appear to be keeping the Barisan Nasional government from collapsing they should be brave enough to expose the Project IC.
“Aren’t we all patriotic to Malaysia? To solve this we need strong political will starting from the State Government, PBS has two State Cabinet members both of whom were very local (*sic*. I think type error, I think it should be vocal) when in opposition.
“Can’t they reason with(Chief Minister) Datuk Seri Musa Aman on this? What is there to hide? Then reason with the Prime Minister,” he said.
“We took part in the formation of Malaysia primarily to safeguard security and sovereignty. Who shall eb the next Prime Minister to solve Sabah’s woe if the present one is still procastinating?” he asked.
Dr Chong said just after the election Datuk Seri Abdullah Badawi had stated he had heard what the people wanted him to hear.
“Perhaps, he had heard Sabah’s voice also but his heart is not with us. The Prime Minister’s only concern is the peninsula. I don’t believe he would do anything concrete to solve this.
“We must make sure the next Prime Minister has the will to help us.” he said.
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FYI, Dr Chong is not an MP but he is in PBS’s Supreme council. He is a staunch advocate against the presence of Illegal Immigrants.
He certainly did not mince his word hahaha.. Notice what he tacitly implied at the last paragraph of the report? :)
He was not one of the Katak, so he’s ok in my book. I hope he doesn’t get into too much trouble for being vocal. He even took a swipe on his boss, Datuk Pairin and Dr Yee Moh Chai. The two state cabinet Minister he mentioned.
Uncle Lim, maybe you should invite him over to DAP Sabah.
#120 by myint3 on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 9:52 am
Another report in today’s The Daily Express:
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ENG LEONG BLAMES MAX FOR OUTCOME
Dr Chong also criticised his party Deputy President, Datuk Maximus Ongkili for not supporting the effort to resolve the problem of illegal immigrants in Sabah.
“I have reasons to believe that he was running around Sabah MPs to vote against the motion for this RCI, telling them to toe the line as if he had the clout to influence them.” he said.
Meanwhile, Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) said it was shameful for any Sabahan leader who did not seek ways and opportunity to help crystallise the establishment of the RCI.
PKR Sabah deputy chief, Daniel John Jambun, said the Deputy Speaker Datuk Ronald Kiandee had failed Sabahans by likening the proposal in Parliament to establish the royal inquiry to being “disrespectful” and “unpolite” to the King.
“The least Sabahan leaders like Kiandee could do is to choose the correct words when dealing with such a disgusting perennial problem of PTI in Sabah, or else be registered as among those who stood in the way of solving this problem.
“What is so disrespectful and unpolite about getting a paragraph on PTI in the motion of thanks to the King’s speech in Parliament?,”he asked in a statement, Friday.
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SO Uncle Lim and brethren in the West, the fight is on over here. Sabahans are not taking it lying down. But that doesn’t mean that we don’t welcome any help from our brethren in the West. This is family problem that involves all the brothers and sisters in this household we call Malaysia.
#121 by myint3 on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 10:00 am
To kerishamuddinitis, that is Killer’s opinion and he is entitled to. I am a Sabahan and as you see in my posts here, I welcome Uncle Lim to speak up for us. As certain that Killer is not the only one to have such a stand, so it is with my stand also. There are other Sabahans like me who welcome Uncle Lim’s help.
#122 by humanly on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 2:48 pm
Myint3,
Syabas, syabas. Am very proud of your spirited concern and perjuangan demi rakyat Sabah. I noted your response to my comment in another entry. Hope you are not offended by my cariculturing Sabahans as docile based on my anecdotal experience with them. Most of them have issues but dare not stand up to be counted.
I agree with your opinion on Dr Chong En Leong. It’s to Sabah loss that he never got elected to the DUN or Dewan Rakyat. A man who is not afraid of going against the tide of his party.
In one election, he stood against Yong Teck Lee in Likas. He then filed an election petition challenging the results and won. This caused Yong’s disqualification to contest.
Dr Chong’s unsuccessful stint in politics is due to his membership with the wrong parties. Cos of his character, he was never in the good book of the party’s top leadership.
It’s almost impossible for a non-BN to win Likas precisely cos of the large ‘phantom voters’ from Pulau Gaya.
Dr Chong does not speak on the platform of race but across the spectrum of Sabah interests.
#123 by myint3 on Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 9:09 pm
Humanly,
No offence taken, don’t worry. We hope that the components within Pakatan Rakyat can work together to bring betterment for all Malaysians.
#124 by i_love_malaysia on Monday, 26 May 2008 - 12:46 pm
Killer & all those who bougth the idea that only Sabahans MPs are qualified to resolve the illegal immigrants issues in Sabah should consider the following two points before continue with their arguments:-
1. Sabah MPs had been given 30 years and there’s no action and results so far. Don’t you think it is timely for others to help to resolve the problem? especially the problem is affecting all Malaysian regardless of the state where we come from.
2. The federal govn. is taking 95% of SABAH’s petrol money instead of 5% . So the federal govn. should have the duty to solve at least 95% of Sabah’s problems, this includes the illegal immigration problems.
#125 by rainbowseahorse on Thursday, 29 May 2008 - 11:14 am
I think we all should go through the documents pertaining to the lease of Sabah (North Borneo) from the Sultan of Sulu (lease documents of North Borneo by Charles Lee Moses, Baron Von Overbeck, the British North Borneo Chartered Company, onto being a British Crown Colony, and to being part of the Federation of Malaysia) and then decide whether it’s worth fighting for the rights of Sabah (under Malaysia). If the matter is to be taken to the ICJ and is ruled against Malaysia, as I have surmised it might, then we Sabahans should perhaps start lobbying for Sarawak to take on selective Sabah migrants into Sarawak.
Perhaps this issue of “rightful owner of Sabah” has prompted the Federal Government to ‘tidak apa’ attitude as they know Malaysia will eventually lose Sabah to the rightful owner. If that document is authentic (at http://www.royalsulu.com), and the Malaysian government does pay an annual rent of USD1,500 to the heirs of the sultan of Sulu for Sabah, then if the case is to go to the ICJ, Malaysia will have no leg to stand on over the issue.
My fellow Sabahans, I suggest we start applying to migrate to Sarawak and leave these MPs to help run Sabah down to the level of the Southern Philippines.