Pak Lah – “Who is Anwar”?


BELIEVE IT OR NOT series (1)
2008 General Election

Let us start a new series – “2008 General Election – Believe it or not?” starting with the following:

M’sian PM has ‘forgotten’ about Anwar
Thu, Feb 14, 2008 AFP

KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 14, 2008 (AFP) – Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on Thursday insisted dissident politician Anwar Ibrahim was not a factor in upcoming elections, saying he had “forgotten” about him.

Anwar has objected to the timing of the polls on March 8, just a month before he is eligible to run for office after a ban expires, saying it was designed to keep him out of the race.

“Nothing to do with that,” Abdullah said after a meeting with top leaders of the ruling United Malays National Organisation (UMNO).

“We have forgotten about Anwar. I don’t remember about Anwar,” he told reporters.

Your contributions are welcome.

  1. #1 by hotsync on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:50 am

    Melayu mudah lupa…..wonder what else he has forgotten fore sure the rakyat..the people who gave him the seat. Voting you out!

  2. #2 by Bill Gates on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:57 am

    Can we trust him as a PM when on Feb 12 he said there will no dissolution of parliament but did a u-turn after that?

  3. #3 by Chong Zhemin on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:10 am

    lies after lies. This PM is treating Malaysians as 3-year old kids. We must teach him a lesson. A big lesson that he will never forget!

  4. #4 by k1980 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:13 am

    Once a holy mullah sat beside the billabong,
    Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
    And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
    You’ll come a Dozing Dollah with me

    Dozing Dollah, Dozing Dollah
    You’ll come a Dozing Dollah with me
    And he sang as he sat and waited by the billabong
    You’ll come a Dozing Dollah with me.

    http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/matilda.htm

  5. #5 by ahkok1982 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:13 am

    Another straight face lie….

  6. #6 by grace on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:15 am

    This is another White lie by Pak Lah!!!
    Oh Yes, maybe he is right. He has just awoken from his long slumber and had not gathered himself. Thus has been dreaming of his never ending honey moon and forgotten not only Anwar but also all his stupid, empty slogans which only an imbecile could believe!!!

    VOTE DAP OR KEADILAN IF YOU ARE IN PENANG!
    VOTE PAS IF YOU ARE IN KELANTAN, TRENGGANU OR KEDAH!

  7. #7 by undergrad2 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:24 am

    “Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi on Thursday insisted dissident politician Anwar Ibrahim was not a factor in upcoming elections, saying he had “forgotten” about him.”

    We should know better than to judge a man by what he says.

  8. #8 by Justicewanted on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:42 am

    This Bodowi can really tell lies. First about the dates of desolving of the Parliment and now about Anwar.

    Hope the now 13 is the date and number of his downfall……

  9. #9 by KampongBoy on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:46 am

    Another lie… too many lies in this country. The leader should have set a good example. I hate liar, a liar can tell lie infront of national broadcast.

    Maybe their are just plain forgetful…

  10. #10 by kappikappu on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:49 am

    Well, who needs a bridge after crossing the river?? His tune would be very different when Anwar was the then DPM. Kacang lupa kulit! Vote BN out this election and let them feel the pinch of their words. MALAYSIA BOLEH TANPA PAK DOLLAH !!!!!.

  11. #11 by ALtPJK on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:53 am

    In the light of recent public discord on various issues, it would not be too far off some guarded optimism (because questions are still being asked re electoral roll, process and integrity) to expect DAP/PKR take on Gerakan, MCA or MIC and PKR/PAS take on UMNO and hope that there is enough momentum, arising from lesser split votes, to swing voters and ‘tip the balance’.

    If that happens we can at least say that Malaysians have provided some relief to the amnesia affliction to yet another Prime Minister.

  12. #12 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:55 am

    /// This is another White lie by Pak Lah!!! ///

    Grace – you are too kind. The word “White” is redundant.

  13. #13 by just n free on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:58 am

    Well he forgot that what he said a day before that he promised not to dissolute Parliament.
    maybe too much sleep does that a person.
    Whatever he promises in future he may forget to perform.
    Best for us to choose a leader (or party) with an elephant memory – but not like TDM who conveniently forgot details of his own misdeeds in the Lingam RCI.

  14. #14 by penangboy on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:07 am

    Think he has started to have “Oliver North” syndrome. I can’t recall…I can’t remember…anyway, I guess he has also started to have the Gerakan battlecry in Penang – Keep Reinventing – his thoughts and actions – tak tentu arah already ….

    “It looks like Anwar, It sounds like Anwar, but I don’t recall knowing Anwar.”

  15. #15 by Ah Hong on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:08 am

    Why bernama news still quote Pak Lah as PM? Cabinet no longer there!

  16. #16 by scorpian6666 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:16 am

    Wonder if he also forgotten about his deceased wife’s name. He just confirmed to the Malaysian, he is not the man up to the JOB.

  17. #17 by oknyua on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:23 am

    AAB’s description of Anwar is typical self denial. Anwar may not be the ideal PM but Anwar is articulate while he is just a bumbling ketua kampung. Knowing AAB’s track record, I take Anwar as PM anytime.

    1. Anwar can take any forum overseas. AAB reads from prepared scripts and even then, reads wrongly.

    2. Anwar is understood whenever he speaks – either Bahasa or English. AAB’s speech has 4 interpretations; even that 4 interpretations are just guess work.

    3. Anwar has proven himself as a leader – even if some of the things he did were not totally agreeable. AAB is good only as a follower. He claims the “corridors” were his ideas when the corridor concept was mooted by Tun Razak.

    4. Anwar preferred to go to jail rather than compromise his principal. AAB’s flip-flop decision is everyday occurrences. To avoid issues, he lied.

    (I am waiting to see how AAB faces Old Sam who insisted even an army cannot stop him from defending Sg Siput).

  18. #18 by Bigjoe on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:28 am

    This guy has a tendency of getting it wrong when he has to stretch his imagination. Why the hell go say ‘forgotten Anwar’?

    He is relying on the Malay heartland vote and yet for him to ‘forget’ anyone is wrong in those places. Anwar was wronged and they know it. For Badawi to said he ‘forgot Anwar’ is to tell these heartlanders that he is the same as the many ground level warlording politicians they see canvassing their vote and then screwing them over.

    Again, his mistakes small they are mounts everyday. Its just eventual he will make disastrous decisions when things push to shove.

  19. #19 by mobileworld on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:34 am

    I think Malaysia’s cabinet is becoming an old folks home! Its time people like AAB and Samy be “thrown out” of Govt/power. These guys are so thick skin that they can sit there and lie straight into the eyes. For this, hats out to people like Keng Yaik / Nawawi who have given way for new blood.

    Coming back to this header, I think its time to walk the talk and let liars be out of the Govt once and for all! VOTE THEM OUT!Enough is Enough!

  20. #20 by bahkuteh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:41 am

    ppl said,never under-estimate your opponents,now he did,he is truely arogant to mention such words,let the toughs get going,i 100% support you,DSAI!

  21. #21 by Short-sleeve on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:49 am

    Kurang ajar punya PM!

    Fellow Malaysians, lets unite and work together to teach this Badawi and his goons and lackeys in UMNO-BN a lesson by voting them all out.

    Badawi is a coward by not allowing Anwar to contest.

    Lawan tetap lawan.

  22. #22 by mata_kucing on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:50 am

    What arrogance! And he calls himself a religious man. If he is not afraid of Anwar as he says, how about a public debate with the man? Assisted by the son-in-law of course.

    For those who are eligible to vote, please cast your vote wisely. Let’s be realistic and practical. The chances of the opposition forming the next government is unlikely to happen. What your vote does at this GE is to strengthened the opposition into a formidable force to check the abuses that’s going on in the country by speaking up in public and in the Dewan Rakyat. Better still, deny the Umnoputras the 2/3 majority so that they will not be able to abuse the constitution to keep themselves in power forever and continue robbing us blind. In other words, empower ourselves through the opposition so that our voices are heard.

    And if you are a BN supporter, reducing the majority of the BN will actually make those BN reps who get elected work their ass off and behave themselves in future. And the sleeping PM may wake up to do some real work for a change as his job is on the line. It’s a win-win situation for everyone!

    If the opposition do their job well in the next 4 to 5 years, we can then decide if they deserve to be the next government after the next one. I think we owe ourselves and future generations that much by giving our votes to the opposition. Happy voting.

  23. #23 by boh-liao on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:52 am

    “I don’t remember about Anwar,” AAB said.

    Correct, correct, correct. I beleive in what AAB said. He had already proven to the world that he is someone who cannot remember what he said or did. Perhaps his span of attention or memory is 13 seconds. That’s why he is a pathological and habitual liar.

    No wonder AAB finds it hard to participate in meetings, rallies, and seminars. He finds comfort in zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz while pocketing the salaries of three portfolios. Buta gaji.

  24. #24 by k1980 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:53 am

    The character assassination has started
    http://azalinalesbian.blogspot.com/

  25. #25 by oknyua on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:54 am

    Just something that disturbs me since yesterday; Why is Adullah Ahmad Badawi so obsessed with the number “13”?

    Any expert in numerology?

  26. #26 by ChinNA on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:57 am

    A follow-on thought from okynua, who are the people who loves “13”?
    Hmmm…. is it good sign or is it bad sign?

  27. #27 by hkh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:01 am

    will 5 13 ring a bell?

  28. #28 by hkh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:03 am

    Any way, if Anwar is so insignificant, will AAB get a royal pardon for Anwar to allow him to stand in this election?

  29. #29 by budak on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:07 am

    he forget Anwar….! what a joke..?
    means he also forget abt Tun Dr. Mahathir…

    infront of him just a mountain of RINGGIT…
    and he only remember the digits appear on his bank account passbook… where..? Switzerland lor…!

  30. #30 by mickey01 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:10 am

    He has also forgotten about his 1st wife and he is senile!

  31. #31 by limkamput on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:13 am

    Yes, show your magnanimity to an insignificant man; get him a pardon so that he can stand for the election. A spineless gutless liar.

  32. #32 by sebol on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:16 am

    [email protected]:~$ whois anwar
    No whois server is known for this kind of object.

    hehehe

  33. #33 by anak_malaysia on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:21 am

    AAB is a nothing but a lier. A disgrace to the Muslim.

    He looks like a PM, he sounds like a PM, is he PM?

    He looks like a Muslim, he sounds like a Muslim, is he a Muslim?

    He looks like a man, he sounds like a man, is he a man?

    Correct, correct, correct

  34. #34 by oknyua on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:30 am

    hkh, I have no idea. 65? but why the “5” and not “6,7,10”?

    My question is very much in line with his “Hadhari Brand” of Islam. This differentiates him one religion away from Anwar Ibrahim.

    If he sits as PM for another 4 years, God knows what other practices he would include in his Hadhari! He has became a man unknown – “looks like PM, sounds like PM, but who is that man?”

  35. #35 by smeagroo on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:42 am

    THis Pak Lelah is just trying to be funny but his face makes me wanna puke!

    Frankly, if his team of 4th florr boys hv been gvng him false news from the rakyat, I am sure his kids and grandchildren who are net savvy shld know better.

    Are u telling me that they are not bothered since they are already well to do and living at the expense of the rakyat is ok in this hadhari concept?

  36. #36 by revelation on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:48 am

    we all must remember to read AAB comment reversed. when he said “Nothing to do with that,” its actually read as “it has everything to do with that”..

    “no, not getting married”…means “i am getting married to Jin”
    “no new jet plane”..means “yes, we bought it, so smart ar u..”
    “govt no money”..means “of cos govt have $ to build corridors”
    “parliment not disolve tomorrow”..means “of cos its will be disolve tomorrow, 13 is my lucky number u know…”

  37. #37 by revelation on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:55 am

    so when AAB said “Hadi has no cofident”..he actually meant “my oh my, this Hadi could break my neck with a snap of his fingers anytime”

    AAB said “work with me, not for me”…he meant “work for me, yes for me!”
    AAB said “I work hard, u know”..he meant “i hardly work,hope u don’t know abt it..spin spin spin”

    so remember guys…interpret watever AAB said in reverse manner. this is what imam hadhari teach us…just like reading jawi..reverse mode.

  38. #38 by wahlaueh08 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:05 am

    AAB, how can you be PM if you are sooooo forgetful? Be wise, don’t always talk nonsense! you are not a good model to the rakyat,how to vote you if you got no brain to remember us?

  39. #39 by pidpid248 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:12 am

    Simply afraid to contest head on with Anwar. If he has forgotten Anwar, why such a coincidence to call for an election now? There are few other lucky number 13 this year even next…13th April, 13th May. Should let Anwar contest directly and let the rakyat decide who should be the real leader. And not someone who leave our country’s fate to some lucky number!

  40. #40 by ihavesomethingtosay on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:20 am

    New plaything, forgot old wife oso.

  41. #41 by hkh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:27 am

    oknyua,
    when someone is called 13 points, it means that fella is “siow” one, tiga suku, half past six, gila babi, something wrong,

  42. #42 by PSM on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:30 am

    Revelation,

    Well done!
    Thanks for your “theory”.
    I agree. Finally we know a way of interpreting his statements!
    Just reverse his statements & you have his real meaning!
    By the way, he also “denied” TDM’s comments of a “Gentlemen’s agreement” as “One-Term PM” so that means…..

  43. #43 by smeagroo on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:39 am

    Pak Lah,

    Who is Anwar you asked? Well he is your worst nightmare. And since you fall asleep ever so often (not sure if he shit he fell asleep), you better pray that Anwar wont be Freddie Kruger and tear you apart on Friday the 13th.

  44. #44 by AhPek on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:40 am

    ‘Anwar may not be the ideal Prime Minister but Anwar is articulate
    while he is just bumbling ketua kampung.’.oknyua.
    How very true your observation is and to further confirm this all fellow commenters should go to ‘Niamah’ and watch this this ‘great Hadhari PM’ perform on a world stage when he was interviewed ‘live’ by CNN some weeks ago at Davos World Economic Conference.According to Patrick Teoh this bumbling ketua kampong appeared like a out of work French peasant who succeeded in stumping and baffling the interviewer with his incomprehensibility.See for yourself chaps and his performance matches both Nasri and Zam interviews with Al Jazeera.All of them GLOBAL EMBARRASSMENTS for MALAYSIA.Tell me then how could one lift up one’s head and feel proud being a Malaysian whilst overseas.

  45. #45 by muni49 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:43 am

    The BN Govt. will always hit around the bush so as to stay in power. It is very sad to note that they can still smile and believe that the voters can be taken for a ride. He looks like a liar,sound like a liar. But is he a liar?. We voters think the time is ripe for a better harvest by AB at this elections. I wish the very best to Keadilan,Dap and Pas. Catch BN by the throat and sent them to hell.

  46. #46 by aiD_kamikuP on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:50 am

    Talking about Pak-lah’s favourite 13!!!

    ‘Triskaidekaphobia’ is definitely not what AAB is. But we know he failed his Statistics paper as a student. So then here’s food for thought for him.

    13 goes into 999,999 exactly.

    For most pocket calculators, 13 is the largest number whose factorial can fit in the display. And 13 is also the largest whole number whose factorial is less than 10 to the power of 10.

    13 is the only positive integer that is the fourth root of the sum of the squares of two successive positive integers (119 and 120).

    Representing numbers using base 10, the smallest prime with a composite sum of digits is 13.

    And this must be Abdullah’s favourite since he sleeps 24/7 (i.e all the time) and for 364 days in a year.
    247 is the first whole number to have the sum of its digits equal to 13 and also be divisible by 13. Note this (2+4+7=13)(13*19=247) The next number to have these attributes is 364 (3+6+4)(13*28).

  47. #47 by sotong on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:51 am

    Anyone who is prepared to sacrify and fight like Anwar and Mr.Lim for social justice, fairness and equality, he/she have my vote to lead the country.

  48. #48 by sheriff singh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 12:06 pm

    13? 1+3 = 4. Aaaaaaaah. Saya Pantang di-cabar. Pak Lah.

  49. #49 by muni49 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 12:12 pm

    The whole nation is looking forward for this historical election. We wish the Opposition Parties the very best .To the leaders of these parties,please make us happy. We want a change for the betterment of the nation and our future generations.Thank you.

  50. #50 by grace on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 12:32 pm

    oknyua,

    Do you expect Bodowi to take on world leaders aa? Forget about it.
    He can’t give a proper speech and his otak-KOSONG!!!
    he only knows how to bergaya – show off. That is the reason he wants a jet for his travel . Talking about travel, I think he is the most frequent PM in the world. Almost evey two weeks he would fly to a foreign land. As some one had pointed rightly that he goes overseea to escape the real work at home.
    When at overseas, his comments and ideas are not taken seriously by others. Only Malaysian newspaper like Star, NST or Berita harian will highlightit. Not like Lee Hsen Loong who is highly sought after for advice and ideas.
    Ours BETUL-BETUL: THIRD CLASS MINISTERS!!!

  51. #51 by oknyua on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 12:34 pm

    All the theories about his number “13.” Thank you.

    I am looking at “Sun Tsu – Art of War” where we should know whom we are dealing with. Apparently we don’t because his brand of Islam is not what we are familiar with. Let me help you to recapitulate; the Napoleon Mullahs, the body snatching, the fatwa by Sabah Mufti, crosses in mission schools. None of these were issues until AAB sits as PM. Now he introduces something else, “the number game”. (He might as well line up in front of a 4-D shop.)

    If AAB sits (my usage of the word ‘sits’) there for another 4 years, we are in for more of the above. Of course we hope for a change in govt, or at least a very strong opposition. But the reality is AAB could only be removed from within UMNO – if only. So we expect to face new edicts legitimised with clouds of unknown ‘Islam.’ The “mullahs” will continue to rule and the real Islam, the one we are familiar with, would be silent again.

  52. #52 by lee wee tak_ on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:04 pm

    Things I remember Badawi said and what happen next, off my head…

    1) There will be many many more caibnet meeting … within 12 hours the announcement of “pembubaran parlimen”

    2) He spoke in many oversea conference about the critical need for inter-religious co-operation, dialogue etc …and ban inter-faith dialogue in Malaysia

    3) He allowed the RCI on the Lingam-gate, the RCI promised an open and public process…subsequently the Chairman wanted to omit witnesses, limit testimonials, restirct time frame to “meet deadline”, wanted to continue behind close doors etc

    4) in 2004 he promised this and that, almost everything except to clean my house ….recently he asked for more time, preferable another 30 years because the things he promised is not so easy to do

    5) he recently said,”I worked hard, very hard…I know you know”….excuse me, how the hell I know? I never see him work close quarters but I know he flew out the country most of the time, never put his foot down on a variety of issues (like IPCMC, body snatching, etc), went to Perth for nasi kandar during the little flood in Johor

    I have materials for Jay Leno, Chris Rocka and David Letterman.

  53. #53 by dawsheng on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:06 pm

    This time round, the DAP, Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) and Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) plan to coordinate their respective campaigns so that they do not draw away votes from one another in any three-cornered fights.

    PKR adviser and opposition figure Anwar Ibrahim said that the parties had agreed on a single candidate for 90 per cent of the country’s constituencies, although coordination was not yet complete. – The Straits Time, Singapore

  54. #55 by justice_fighter on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:09 pm

    There is no doubt that Pak Lah is the BIGGEST HYPOCRITE in this country!! Vote him OUT!!!

  55. #56 by lee wee tak_ on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:12 pm

    6) when asked about a new girl friend…”no, just rumours, he said”…after that dear J put that lovely cake in his mouth….should have been on the valentine poster. A lovely photogeic moment

    7) he once famously said,”I’m in charged”…a few months later, we had the EC chairman leaking out that he knew about election secrets. The EC chairman got castigated and had to swallow his word. You won’t see Chelsea players get out of hands when Jose Mourinho was around and “in charge”

    8) He said,”work with me”…well how can I work with you when I am slogging in Malaysia all the time while he visited a little boat in Turkey, went to a nice restaurant in Perth?

  56. #57 by dawsheng on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:16 pm

    Indonesia’s parliament has called on the government to investigate reports that Malaysia has been recruiting Indonesian citizens to join its paramilitary wing.

    Parliament Speaker Agung Laksono warned yesterday that the alleged move by Malaysia, which was reported during a parliamentary hearing on Monday, could jeopardise security in the country’s border areas.

    “If our security personnel have to arrest them (the Indonesian paramilitary members), we could be in the situation where we have to fight our own brothers,” he told reporters.

    He warned that the deployment of Indonesian to safeguard the Malaysian border could lead to a shift in the country’s borders.

    If the allegation were true, the government should lodge a doplomatic protest, he said. – The Straits Time, Singapore

  57. #58 by sheriff singh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:23 pm

    “Who is Anwar”? Pak Lah.

    Your boogey man? Your bad dream?

  58. #59 by dawsheng on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:26 pm

    The report emerged during Monday’s meeting between the parliamentary committee on security and foregin affairs and army chief Lieutenant-General Agustadi Sasongko Purnomo.

    Parliament member Happy Bone Zulkarnaen said he recieved the report from the Tanjungpura military command that overseas Kalimantan, Indonesia’s are of Borneo island, during a working visit last year.

    During the hearing, he showed photos of the recruitment process and training of members of Malaysia’s paramilitary group Askar Wataniah, the reserve component of the Malaysian army that is mostly posted at the northen border checkpoints.

    The report said Indonesians were promised between two million rupiah (S$308) and three million rupiah a month if the joined the militias, which will be deployed to beef up security along the porous Indonesian-Malaysian border on the island.

    The report also said Malaysia planned to recruit 40,000 Indonesians for the militias in the next two years. – The Straits Time, Singapore

  59. #60 by ihavesomethingtosay on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:30 pm

    Who is Pak Lah?

    is he the person that was caught dozing most of the time?

    is he the person who officiated his brother’s nasi kandar restaurant in perth while johore is submerged in flood?

    is he the record setting pm of malaysia who is out of malaysia most of the time while being the pm?

    is he the islam hadari guy that no one really understand what he is trying to preach?

    is he the one that promises 18 big fishes will be bought to justice on corruption charges?

    is he the one pm that while in power prices escalates?

    is he the one pm that while in power, crimes are rampant and we now feel less secure?

    is he the one pm that while in power, and for the first time indonesia overtook us in FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT?

    is he the one pm that has increase racial tention in malaysia?

    WHO IS PAK LAH GOD? WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DESERVE HIM? WHY HAVE YOU DESERTED US?

    SAVE US GOD.

  60. #61 by dawsheng on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:38 pm

    But Tanjungpura military commander Major-General Suhartono Suratman yesterday denied the report, saying no Indonesian had joined the Malaysian militias.

    “We know that the Indonesians who live in the border still abide by the red and white,” he said, referring to the colours of Indonesian flag.

    The online version of the daily Kompas quoted him as saying that those who joined the Malaysian paramilitary were most likely former Indonesian citizens who had been naturalised because they have been lived there for a long time.

    Foreign Ministry spokesman Kristiarto Legowo said the ministry was looking into the report.

    “We are still waiting to hear from our consulates in Kinabalu and Kuching, but if any Indonesian is found taking part in defending another country, then his citizenship can be revoked,” he said.

    The head of the West Kalimantan legislature, Mr Zulfadhi, said some people also obtained Malaysian citizenship so that their children could enjoy education opportunities for free, and that some even participated in Malaysian elections.

    “The government needs to monitor the legal status of the citizens in the border areas,” he pointed out. – The Straits Time, Singapore

  61. #62 by hiro on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:47 pm

    I think we are all very much aware that Badawi is simply not the type who can string a coherent and comprehensive response on his feet. Therefore, he is only equipted with the quickest soundbites that he can muster.

    Obviously, Badawi knows, and is aware of who Anwar is. After all, Anwar has just given him a headache over Lingam clip. What he’s saying is Anwar is no longer a factor to be considered, and I suppose that would be consistent with what UMNO has been trying to portray, even while Ijok by-election clearly shows how much they are afraid of him. But that I suppose is only to be expected from one’s political opponent.

    Badawi could have used the opportunity to fire a serious salvo at Anwar, but he didn’t, so perhaps the opposition should be relieved because had he fired a salvo, it would have been spinned out of proportion by the compliant press.

    Truly, at the end of the day, it does not matter whether Badawi has forgotten Anwar or not. What matters is whether the voters have forgotten Anwar. When he’s back in the Parliament, Badawi will have another headache to contend with and then he’ll have to play down the Anwar factor some other ways.

  62. #63 by Godfather on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 1:49 pm

    Who is Anwar ? Just ask KJ, who tried unsuccessfully to carry Anwar”s [email protected] once Anwar was exonerated by the courts. Maybe Badawi could not remember that he nearly wet his pants each time Anwar talked to him when Anwar was DPM.

  63. #64 by jfl on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:29 pm

    Saya harap sampailah masanya rakyat malaysia bangun dan memberi mandat ke BA. Dibawah BN Paklah apa yang kami dapat?
    Ini rumusan saya:-

    1)Petrol/Diesel= buat kekurangan olok olok, lepas itu naikkan harga sesuka hati. Masa Paklah ambil alih aje kerusi PM tahun itu aje petrol/diesel naik 3 kali. Bandingkan pula dengan Singapura dan Thailand yang petrol/diesel kami masih murah. Sedangkan Malaysia kan sebuah negara pengeluar minyak? Kenapa tidak dibandingkan dengan Brunei?

    2)Beras:- Pergi ke mana mana supermarket dan jengok jengok lah harga beras tempatan.Saya dah tengok 5Kilo dalam lingkungan RM10.00 (ini pun beras budget). Beras Siam 5Kilo dalam lingkungan RM18.00. Cuba bandingkan Singapura di supermarket mereka beras Siam 5Kilo boleh dapat dalam SGD2.50.(itu cuma RM6.00) Malaysia kan negara pengeluar beras? Kenapa di Singapura lebih murah?

    3)Minyak Masak:- Sebelum Raya Cina, buatlah kekurangan olok olok pulak bagi Minyak masak, lepas 2 minggu lepas orang panik,peniaga takde bisnes pasal habis minyak-tiba tiba keluarkan banyak banyak, harga emmm naik 30%,….dulu 5Kilo RM10.00 sekarang paling murah pun RM12.99(saya pun telah beli 3 botol 5Kilo pasal muak dengan angkara BN sorokkan minyak masak pulak.) Apa yang saya dapat perhatikan ialah ketiga tiga botol minyak tersebut berhabuk macam dah simpan gudang lama lama, ketiga tiga botol tu,tarikh luputnya berbeza beza…..Pelik pulak Malaysia kan pengeluar Minyak Kelapa Sawit terbesar dunia?

    Kerajaan BN nak untung senang aje naikkan harga barangan keperluan harian rakyat.

    Bangunlah rakyat rakyat semua. Beri undi kepada BA. Yang kerja kerajaan takut sangat kena marah/tindakan kerana undi BA, saya rasa buat aje undi rosak. Jangan beri undi buta buta kepada BN hanya kerana kamu kerja kerajaan. Kita semua tahu tiap tiap undi ada nombor siri, nombor siri itu boleh dikaitkan ke nombor ic kita.
    Jadilah macam Rakyat Thailand di mana menolak kerajaan Diktator. Bersatulah dan undi Parti KeAdilan Rakyat(PKR) , Parti SeIslam Malaysia(PAS) dan Democratic Action Party(DAP).
    Orang Melayu tak perlu bimbang DAP, Orang Cina tak perlu risau PAS, Orang India boleh yakin dengan BA. Kita semua undi BA Mac 8 ini!!!

  64. #65 by ktteokt on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:39 pm

    Just wait till Keadilan wins the coming GE and then we can ask AAB “Who is Anwar?”

  65. #66 by js on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:44 pm

    Anwar has confident to break the 2/3 majority. He is capable to be the PM for this country.Please refer to HCTV for the interview. Very interesting!

  66. #67 by naked taliban on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:46 pm

    OT—
    Last night went to Pai Tein Kung in Pandan P100 Consti . , event organised by MCA business ppl with OTK officiating.On an auspicious event these MCA goons busy canvassing for votes and appealing for donations for whatever reasons.

    Who says donations for political parties is ILLEGAL ??

  67. #68 by js on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:53 pm

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  68. #69 by xpainxgain on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:57 pm

    Quickly go to get medication from doctor! NOW! This is a very classical and severe symptom of Alzheimer’s disease. NO TIME TO WAIT, because you are probrably will forget your family members too, some more KJ still need your support. If you get Alzheimer’s disease, how is he going to be future PM?? Don’t worry about medical fee because you are not an ordinary person, Ong Ka Ting will help you to consult the best physician. Good Luck!!

  69. #70 by js on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 2:58 pm

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  70. #71 by ihavesomethingtosay on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 3:47 pm

    taken from comment in ZORRO-UNMASKED
    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=841719623489623843&postID=283723120551485289&isPopup=true

    The old priest lay dying in the hospital.
    For years He had faithfully served the people of the nation’s capital. He motioned for his nurse to come near.

    “Yes, Father?” said the nurse.

    “I would really like to see Khairy and Samy Velu before I die”, whispered the priest.

    “I’ll see what I can do, Father” replied the nurse.

    The nurse sent the request to them and waited for a response. Soon the word arrived. Khairy and Samy would be delighted to visit the priest.

    As they went to the hospital, Khairy commented to Samy “I don’t know why the old priest wants to see us, but it will certainly help our images.”

    Samy couldn’t help but agree.

    When they arrived at the priest’s room, the priest took Samy’s hand in his right hand and Khairy’s hand in his left. There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.

    Finally Samy spoke. “Father, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?”

    The old priest slowly replied “I have always tried to pattern my life after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

    The old priest continued…”He died between two lying thieves. I would like to do the same.”

    February 14, 2008 8:02 PM

    :D

  71. #72 by pputeh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 3:54 pm

    Bodowi also forgets that the Anti Corruption Agency, which is under his watch, is to cegah rasuah and not to bribe witnesses.

  72. #73 by Rocky on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 3:56 pm

    Pak Lah Anwar is not forgotten. In fact for me, I was never an Anwar fan but the last 2 years I like him more and more and now I’ll vote for him cos he has a vision and will do the right things. and his leadership is a lot better than yours.

    so Pak Lah Anwar is a factor and he is free to move around and talk during election and the people still know him and have not forgotten. if you have, than you have underestimated your opponent.

    I was told today for a fact how Pak Lah is late for meetings, one with the Japanese PM and a Bank negara meeting at his office. he slept off in the B.Negara meeting!!!

    Hopeless PM!!!

  73. #74 by KampongBoy on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 3:56 pm

    KampongBoy – Who is Pak Lah? Who does he think he is?

  74. #75 by ihavesomethingtosay on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 4:05 pm

    Do You know?

    13 in Christianity represents Judas? the very deciple that betrays Jesus? and is forever known as a TRAITOR?

    The 13th tarot card is DEATH?

    Friday the 13th was the day that the all powerful Christian Crusader goup – the Knights of the Templer was SLAUGHTER.

    So the interpretation for the famous number 13 is, we have a traitor, that will lead us to death and he and his gang will be slaughter in this comming GE

    the power of prediction, I oso can

  75. #76 by Loh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 5:56 pm

    AAB wanted very much to forget Anwar. He thought that by forgetting Anwar, then Anwar wouldn’t be around to threaten him. That was wishful thinking. It was his attempt to forget about Anwar during the next GE that he had dissolved the parliament during the Chinese New Year. He could not afford to delay the dissolution by more than 2 days, never mind a 8 days delay till the CNY is over. He was willing to lie, and be accused of being a liar by dissolving the parliament to prevent the possibility of facaing Anwar at his Kepala Batas constituency. It is clear now that AAB is not able to tell the truth, and might even be confused between the truth and the wishful thinking.

    The problem with AAB was that even when he was able to announce his wishful thinking to be the PM for all Malaysians, he had never thought about how to get on the first step to beome one. He announced the continuation of NEP to 2020, which shows that he was just a racist Malay politician. It might be acceptable for true blue Malays to say that they were trying to act out of fear of the demise of the Malay race. But AAB knew very well that he has Chinese blood flowing in his arteries, and Japanese blood flowing in those of his son and daughther. Though the consitution allows him to be included as Malays, but he should know that he is not. To claim that he is Malay, he is only utilising the provision of the constitution to afford himself of the opportunities. He cannot be emotionally fighthing for the Malay race when he is not one of them. In fact there is no need to fight for Malay race because Malays are not being bullied, but non-Malays are. How do we call a person who help an adversary to fight people of his own kind? OK, he is only part Chinese. Since he is a Malaysian in terms of mixed-blood qualification, he should have done the right thing to administer the country transcending racial line. But as an opportunist, he did not. He sells his race, and that equals selling his soul. Can we trust him to continue to be PM for the country?

  76. #77 by boh-liao on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 6:02 pm

    Who is Anwar?

    The fact that Anwar qualifies to stand for election after March 2008 pisses AAB and his kaki off into having uncontrolled diarrhoea.

    AAB and his kaki pressed the panic button and bluffed their way into dissolving the parliament on 13.2.08, more than a year before its natural termination. An unprecedented act, all because of a guy that AAB claimed to be Who? Tak ingat!

  77. #78 by mendela on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 6:16 pm

    One effective and inexpensive weapon to campaign is to use a van equiped with loud speaker.

    I have seen many times the Japanese political parties campaigning using such methods.

    The vans can easily move to any places, any kampongs or towns. The speaker can be live telecast or pre-recorded messages.

    I think DAP should quickly equip with 100 such vans to romp around the whole of Malaysia since “mainstream media” is just a stupid mouthpiece of UMO!

  78. #79 by mendela on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 6:28 pm

    I have said it many times. Choosing a date b4 Anwar is elligible to become a candidate would be to the opposition advantage!

    Anwar will not need to worry his own backyard. Anwar will be able to go all out to campaign for all the opposition candidates!

    Most of the UMO MPs are over weight, short of exercise, every good food, over-sexed, thus they usually die young.

    Anwar can easily get back into Parliament in any of such by-elections when any of such UMO MPs die!

  79. #80 by ktteokt on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:20 pm

    This is the “ostrich tactic”, “out of sight, out of mind” for what you don’t see can’t hurt you.

  80. #81 by EddieTheHead on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:27 pm

    The reason for having an early election, in my opinion, is two-fold. “To kill two birds with one stone” katakan.

    1. Is of course to deny the Anwar Ibrahim phenomena to the people.

    and

    2. To increase fuel prices when given the mandate.

    You see, since middle of 2007, the BN cronies and hangers-on have been having a tough time collecting money from “projects”. This is evident from the hair that Samy Velu wears. Apparently he hasn’t changed it in a few years. These things cost money, you know. A strand of this hair is more than what a federal Minister makes in a month, so the need to milk money from the people.

    The fact that prices will rise in April is a sure bet. The fact that most of the Ministers will be holidaying in Europe in May is a likely scenario. For Samy, he’ll be in Perth, tending to his ranch and visiting the trichologist for the summer.

  81. #82 by k1980 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:31 pm

    Prices will not rise in April, they will rise on 10.3.2008

  82. #83 by shortie kiasu on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 7:38 pm

    Whatever Abdullah Badawi can say about Anwar, deep in our hearts, we the citizens knew exactly what a political ploy he is trying at.

  83. #84 by thaksan on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 8:57 pm

    AAB was so rude when he answered the questions from the reporters. Either he really truthfully couldn’t hear or he did not want to hear. Either way, he could have been more courteous by saying “I’m sorry, i couldn’t hear you. Could you speak up louder?”

    He was trying to embarrass the reporter. No shame! What kind of a PM-wannabe is this!

  84. #85 by waterfrontcoolie on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:08 pm

    I believe Anwar will haunt BN from now onwards! Give the MAN a chance; becos considering all things in our country, He is the one who can be the base to form the UNITED FRONT,maybe with it, Malaysia will have an option of two parties doing their best to provide better goverment in the future!! As I look at him, he is basically a ‘ socialist’ by nature and this inherent nature can be expected to prick his conscience. He got into trouble with TDDM, partly because of this attitude of his.
    His records at BN could be caused by the environment: money politics, without which he wouldn’t be able to fight his battle on even field. Give him a second chance!!

  85. #86 by bennylohstocks on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:20 pm

    Juming to anther when this one is not answered yet..
    http://malaysiancartoons.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html

  86. #87 by sheriff singh on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:21 pm

    “Who is Anwar?” Pak Lah

    Someone who is gonna bug you everywhere you go.

    Yeah!!

  87. #88 by bennylohstocks on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:22 pm

    Jumping to another..(corrections on earlier post)

  88. #89 by hellokitty on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 9:55 pm

    lmao…wat a lame excuse from a lame AAB… maybe he is hving Alzheimer’s disease….

  89. #90 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:03 pm

    Pak Lah is already suffering from the Tun M’s disease of amnesia prematurely!

    In fact, we all know both of them do not have amnesia – frankly, I think Tun M has selctive memory whenever it suits his bloated ego, convenience or machiavellian purposes. Well, as for Pak Lah, it’s simply a case of “I don’t know what to say. What better way than to say ‘I don’t know'”. His frequent gaffes especially when he has to say something off the cuff really makes him look so stupid and naive, which, in fact, he really is. That’s the sad fact. I feel so sorry for him as PM when he has to face and interact with so many of the best and brightest brains in international affairs. As much as I feel sorry for Pak Lah, I feel sorrier for Malaysia! What would foreigners think of Malaysians electing a goofy fella as PM? Foreigners would be inclined to think Malaysians are mostly bloody fools. Followers cannot be better than their leaders, you see!

    So, if we don’t want to look so stupid before a watching world, please vote OUT all the nincompoops in BN and VOTE for DAP/PKR instead.

  90. #91 by musyu99 on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:04 pm

    The great great great Imam Hadhari…. Pak Lah @ Pak Liar
    Time for change… kick BN out…

  91. #92 by Man_of_Honour on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:05 pm

    Erm… Who is Abdullah Badawi? Seriously, I forgot liao…

    BN got contributions to Malaysia meh? Got meh? Cannot recall also leh…

    Only remember to vote for oppositions!!

  92. #93 by BlackEye on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:08 pm

    “Pak Lah is already suffering from the Tun M’s disease of amnesia prematurely!” Hornbill

    It is obvious that our PM has a clear preference for what psychologists term ‘intellectual masturbation’ – the supreme act of self-gratification.

  93. #94 by I Malaysian on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:43 pm

    The PM knows very well he is not a match to Anwar in any way. Even in areas related religion he will lose out to Anwar. So he try his level best to forget Anwar because the more he thinks of Anwar the more he haunts him.
    On another note, I can see how selfish this BN is. To my knowledge I wonder if they ever held election only when term of 5 years completed. This is so as each election cost the government and people hundreds of millions of ringgit. Who bears this? If they would have followed the actual term they could have saved public money, I guess at least 200-300 million. The BN really take us for suckers. We have end their regime by any means this time around.

  94. #95 by BlackEye on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 10:58 pm

    I Malaysian Says:
    Today at 22: 43.13 (5 minutes ago)

    “To my knowledge I wonder if they ever held election only when term of 5 years completed. This is so as each election cost the government and people hundreds of millions of ringgit. Who bears this?”

    I think you are confused. The government (read: tax payers) has, of course, to bear the cost of holding the general elections. However, the cost of campaigning is another matter. Why do you think the Ministry of Defense and the Cabinet relents to the use of middle men or agents when sealing defense contracts which incidentally involve payments of huge commissions??

    Elections are sometimes timed to coincide with the performance of the economy etc and need not go the full stretch for obvious reasons.

  95. #96 by ZhouYu on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:19 pm

    In my opinion, Anwar may miss out the General Election, but he can easily create a by-election after that and make a comeback isn’t it? All he’d miss is the fun of a coming General Election (not that he never tried it before) and go for a much smaller by-election.

  96. #97 by shamshul anuar on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:23 pm

    Dear waterfrontcoolie,

    I refer to your remarks. Perhaps you are not aware on some facts, however glaring that they stare at your face.

    For any Malay politician to be in power, he must have the support from the Malay community. Every Prime Minister whom Malaysia have had so far manage to earn the support from Malay community while also garnering support from other communities.

    Among the Malays, Anwar is considered as a no factor. This is because he does not have the support from vast majority of Malays. It is as simple as that. Contrary to reports especially by Western Media that portrays Anwar as having substantial support from Malaysians, Anwar is seen as too opportunistic , and vengeful from the views of the Malays.

    And by having an alliance with DAP, Anwar commits a political harakiri. He is seen as becoming an ally to the very political party that Malays consider as a threat.

  97. #98 by caishen on Friday, 15 February 2008 - 11:58 pm

    AAB, Coward of all Cowards!!
    MCA,MIC and the BN parties, look at your Boss?
    You trusted him?

  98. #99 by pwcheng on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 12:57 am

    shamshul anuar,

    Why do most Malays support UMNO and see DAP as a threat. Because UMNO is spoon feeding the Malays and DAP is telling the Malays to strive and compete. If you are intelligent Malay I think you will be able to see the better side of it. UMNO is slowly killing the Malays like the British supplying opium to the Chinese which ultimately cause the downfall of China. By supplying opium to the Chinese, the British made the Chinese slaves to opium and with these comes the dirt of corruption which only benefited the British. Similarly UMNO is making the Malays slaves’ to the NEP and what comes with it is the inescapable widespread corruption which benefited mostly the UMNOputras. NEP is actually an illusion created by UMNO to deceive all the Malays and make them addicted to it so that hey can have their support and the vicious circle will go on and on and UMNO will abandon the Malays if their boat is sinking. Ultimately this will cause the downfall of the Malays because being spoon-fed they will not able to compete.

    If you can look at he parallel of what is happening to the Chinese, UMNO had learnt this from the British and the only difference is that UMNO is doing his to their own kind. They are actually putting the innocent Malays to a slow death and it will come soon with the great wave of globalization.

  99. #100 by limkamput on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 1:35 am

    PWCheng, well said, well said. This Shamshul fellow is branding non Malays racists when we are just fighting to be part of Malaysia. He can’t see his own racism when Malays are fighting for an Islamic Malay Malaysia. Who is more racist, Shamshul?

  100. #101 by sethcsl on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 3:24 am

    petrol price will rise immediately after GE
    but maybe it’ll make it surprise
    10.3.2008 from RM1.92 to RM1.95 (Wah, thanks god, 3 cents onli)
    11.3.2008 from RM1.95 to RM2.65 (Wah, oso need to thanks god for 1 days bounty)
    then the government says”even subsidy 1 cent oso call subsidy, our oil price still is very cheap if compare to many country then blah blah blah”
    haha, cheers!

  101. #102 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 3:24 am

    PW Cheng,

    Do you really think the Malays will buy into this kind of rhetoric?

  102. #103 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 3:28 am

    Shamshul,

    I find your views too simplistic, skewed and exaggerated in some cases – and even naive.

  103. #104 by mendela on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 3:30 am

    Shamshul, if what you said were true, it is mainly caused by the lopsided reports from “mainstream media” — the great mouthpiece for UMO and its cronies, especially the Malay language media.

    Many Malays only have access to “mainstream media” days-in-days-out, they are all being brainwashed by such media.

    If you talk to Malays about Raja Petra, I can easily tell you at least 80% of them do not know Raja at all!

  104. #105 by anitakrishlee on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 3:40 am

    What does Badawi think of us Malaysians? He is like a 5 year old schoolboy and even then it would be an insult to a 5 year old to be compared to the PM. He certainly has no care about our country. We need to vote very carefully or we’re going to suffer another term.

  105. #106 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 7:33 am

    “And by having an alliance with DAP, Anwar commits a political harakiri.” shanmshul anuar

    The kiss of death?? PKR is expected to lose to the BN/UMNO war machine but not without a fight.

  106. #107 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 8:04 am

    Anwar’s daughter standing against Shahrizat in Lembah Pantai? This is like seeing David battling Goliath but Goliath wins. Shahrizat has come a long way from being the Freshie Queen of the early 70s, and from the struggling magistrate who made it out through the window to escape being discovered to where she is today – a corporate lawyer whose rapid rise in the corporate world has nothing to do with her skills as a lawyer.

  107. #108 by musyu99 on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 8:05 am

    Mr Shamsul Annuar,
    come on… keep on dreaming… Malays are being forced to support BN by your great imam hadhari through all his lies and candies offerring… so do you think majority Malays support UMNO? Al least Anwar have shown to us that all he needs is not only support from Malays but other races too.. I’m no fan to Anwar before… but after 4 horrible years under Pak Lah @ Pak Liar… it’s time for a change… be Malaysian…

    pst pst… I’m a Malay…

  108. #109 by k1980 on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 8:14 am

    Why is the GE held BEFORE the findings of the RCI?
    The Royal Commission of Inquiry to investigate the Lingam video clip ended this afternoon. The commission is expected to announce their findings on March 11.
    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/Frontpage/20080215184852/Article

  109. #110 by KanNinNeh on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 10:11 am

    If Nato Sleepy AAB or rather the corrupted BN can win in the coming GE is because they are very capable in cheating Majority of Malaysian !

  110. #111 by ZhouYu on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 10:30 am

    k1980 :

    Because it sounds like him and looks like him, but it’s not him.

  111. #112 by cheng on soo on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 11:06 am

    Just simple question, shamsul, What has DAP done to the Malay to cause you to say such. Nothing! Why should Malays consider DAP as a threat?
    It is all wild accussations by UMNO only. pwcheng has said it all. Like it or not, Msia cannot escape globalization, If no change, Msia future is likely to be gloomy!

  112. #113 by cheng on soo on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 11:16 am

    If BN is so good, why should a person like Raja Petra Kama.. always speaks against it?
    Yes, Barang Naik from 10.3.2008 ! Dont blame BN, blame the BN supporters!

  113. #114 by naked taliban on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 11:42 am

    Yes, Barang Naik from 10.3.2008 ! Dont blame BN, blame the BN supporters!
    Are the Malays not affected, just wondering ??

  114. #115 by muni49 on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 12:27 pm

    The historical election is here. Let us vote for the future of the country. We need to correct as many mistakes as possible which the BN has done for its people. I think the govt is day dreaming that the people are happy. Even my malay friends are upset with the govt. Lets see how many malays will support the govt and what the result be. Barisan is in for a shock of their lifes.

  115. #116 by AhPek on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 12:35 pm

    Shamsul,

    A couple I would like to ask you and that is :

    (1) Do you not feel that all citizens in this country be treated the same and that is we shouldn’t be classified as Malays, Chinese,Indian,Kadazan,Ibans etc? And that everybody has a fair go and a fair say in how the direction of this country?

    (2) Do you not see that the non Malays are discriminated and marginalized?Worst of all the Orang Asli of this nation? Kevin Ruud the new Australian PM has the big heart to come out to apologise to the aborigines of Australia, would you think any of your umno PEOPLE have the magnanimityto recognise the wrong done to the true original people of this country and do like Kevin Ruud of Australia? Of course you may probably say we have done nothing wrong and say like Mahathir that we treat our aborigines better than the Australians treat theirs or the New Zealanders treat their Maoris.

    (3) Shouldn’t the NEP be for the poor of this nation? Why do you people refuse to see that the UMNOPUTRAS are using this to enrich themselves only?

    (4) Why should affirmative action not be for the hard core poor of this country?

    (5) After 50 years why should Malays be protected like the Maoris of New zealand, the Red Indians of America or the Aborigines of Australia?
    Unlike them, the Malays are strong politically, militarily,financially as well as numerically.How can they manage to convince anybody that the Malays can be marginalised by any other Malaysian group like what Khairy did? How can anybody believe such crap???

    (6) Shouldn’t every citizen be first class citizen and nothing else?

    (7) Are you not concerned that corruptions in this country is massive? that the procurement budget is too large for a small country like Malaysia and that there are there for the UMNOPUTRAS to stick their dirty fingers into?

    (8) Are you not concerned as a taxpayer to know how your money is used by the government?Do you not know the every AG report shows massive wastages and over-spending and nobody seems to be responsible? The yearly AG reports are sitting on the shelves gathering dust instead? ARe you not horrified by such arrogance and abuse of power?

  116. #117 by AhPek on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 12:38 pm

    Correction:’A couple of questions I like to ask you and these are:

  117. #118 by harrisonbinhansome on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 1:24 pm

    Pak Lah and his cohorts surely knows the “damages” Anwar Ibrahim partnering Lim Kit Siang will do in Parliament as a valid MP himself, and as the prime man entrusted and has the courage to expose “the Linggamtape” scandal reflects his awe inspriring character in many department.

    My close relative who has been a DAP supporter long time ago has this book written by Lim Kit Siang “A Time Bomb (Malaysia)” and I beleive we are already systematically “exploded” in many ways long ago.

    Pak Lah will always be remembered as the most ridiculous PM in the history of Malaysia. What a “man”!

  118. #119 by burn on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 2:12 pm

    hei, siapa tu pak lah???

  119. #120 by oknyua on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 2:55 pm

    Just read our Shamshul’s comment.

    If DAP is a threat to the Malays, is it their (Malays) failure to look beyond the boundary of their privileges. Firstly, DAP’s platform is for the replacement of NEP because it HAD NOT been beneficial to the poor bumiputera. NEP is an instrument to enrich the connected Malays. You need to travel to Kelantan, Sabah and Sarawak to see the truth of this. Aren’t you sad? Yes/No.

    Secondly, the Malays must look beyond the next 50, 100 years; can the Malays be forever protected under NEP? The signs are already on the walls. Example, look at the number of unemployed graduates from the local university. Aren’t you concerned? Yes/No.

    Malays look at DAP from a tinted view, created by the privileged UMNO. If the Malays public realise the truth, the elite’s power would end. Are you aware?

    Please be concerned for the future of Malaysia and Malaysian – not just for the elite few. If we fail to correct ourselves today, everybody would suffer.

  120. #121 by Sagaladoola on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 4:08 pm

    When Some Mr. Flip-Flop, Someone always do not mean what he says, we always take it the other way round.

    Example:
    When he says “I love you”, We take it as “I hate you”
    When he says “No, there will no be dissolution tomorrow”, We take it as “Yes, there will be a dissolution tomorrow”.
    When he says “Please do not believe in rumours”, We take it as “Yes, believe in rumours because it is more dependable than Someone’s own words”.

    So when Someone says “I have “forgotten” about Anwar”, does he really mean what he said? Hmmn…

    Too much of flip-flops is not good for health. Your audience becomes doubtful of your words…..

    Hahahaha. LOL :-D

    Regards,
    Sagaladoola

  121. #122 by shamshul anuar on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 4:17 pm

    Dear undergrad2,

    Many thanks for your remarks. I only convey the feeling of majority of Malays with regards to Anwar’s dalliance with DAP. I am sure you will understand such a phenomenon. After all, DAP was punished heavily for courting PAS. Similarly, Malays are not too fond of a desperate politician who becomes a wiling ally on a party they considers a threat.

    Of course, it is hard to accept the bitter truth. Contrary to the much accepted cookie cutter answer from Western Media, Anwar actually is not considered a major factor in current Malay politics.

    As for Mr AhPEK, they say it takes two to tango. Besides receiving, Malays also give a lot. But of course, it is conveniently forgotten. A bank owned by a Malay businessman was willing to name a Chinese lady as its CEO. I must say I am dreaming to expect reciprocal step.

    Yes, there is classification on races in Malaysia. But nobody is prevented from joining civil servants, bussiness opportunity. Nobody killed simply for being a Chinese or Iban or Indian. On the other side of spectrum, we have requirement like ” Mandarin is required” . So, racism is not limited to Malays only.

    Non Malays are discriminated? Are you sure about that. What about a bank several years ago which transferred all its Malay staff from one branch in Bukit Mertajam. and another bank was forced to five bonus to its Malay staff when it could not answer to Bank Negara why staff who do not receive bonus happened to be Malays.

    Kevid Rud of course needs to apologize to Aborigines for cruelty inflicted by “white Man” up until 1960s. His ancestors just killed Aborigines in order to settle in Australia. UMNO or Malays do not have to resort to such a cruel treatment as they ( Malays) had been ruling the countries and recognised by the world. That was why it was called Malay states then.

    Just because these Mat salleh were so cruel, do not assume Malays were eager to follow their footsteps. Of course, Orang asli is comparatively backward as compared to other races. Mistakes made, no doubt. But surely nobody can deny what Govt has been doing to help them. Surely you are honest enough to accept that in no way Malays had ever treated Orang asli the way British forces burnt Summer Palaces way back in 1860s.

    And NEP helps to eradicate poverty. Facts do not lie. Check your facts before talking. I do not deny much more need to be done but the rate of poverty is decreasing. As for UMNOPUTRAS, i am not so sure of it. Millions of Malays get the help in education. Where once it was a rarity to find a malay professional, now it is common.

    And helps are given to all races. Millions donated by Govt to UTAR not to mention funds to vernacular schools. Poors from various sections in Malaysia are helped irregardless of races.

    Yes, I am concerned on wastage of fund as reported by Auditor General every year. Those guilty are punished. You cant blame PM if one official is corrupt. It is not the PM who asked him to be involved in corrupt practices.

    As for Chen On soo, with due respect to you, Malays do not trust DAP as they see DAP as Anti Malay. Not believing me? Old malays will tell the role of “DAP” in May 13. And DAP accepted the lies of Hindraf as gospel truth. So, in short DAP cant be trusted.

  122. #123 by mendela on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 4:42 pm

    Shamsul,

    Your mind is totally poisoned by UMO and the “mainstream media”!

    I have no further comments, very sad.

  123. #124 by AntiSUPP on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 4:49 pm

    Pure arrogance & haughtiness knowing that he will remain in power with 51% minimum majority.

    Let us teach this forgetful old man by deying his 2/3 majority and see whether the dog Chiwawa KJ would be there to steer his balls to abyss of shame.

    Remember KJ bark like a pitbull in KLCC (visiting US envoys) with his Umnoputras and where were the FRU tear gas & water cannons. His sugar daddy didnt even blink an eye.

    Pale by comparison to Hindraf peaceful demo which draws excessive retaliations by FRUs.

    Old man “My sugar son in law KJ barking like rabid dog, where got??? where ah??? mana ada??? siapu tu???”

  124. #125 by Godfather on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 6:00 pm

    “Those guilty are punished.”

    A typical UMNO lie which could be better expounded with the local words “Where got ?”.

  125. #126 by harrisonbinhansome on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 6:12 pm

    It is really hard to find Darkhorse and Limkamput agreeing (although indirectly) pertaining to shamshul anuar’s prejudicial commenteries.

    Upon reading your (shamshul anuar) commenteries, I find that either you are a Malay extremist or you are too naive or both.

    Dear oknyua,

    Well said in many of your postings.

  126. #127 by limkamput on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 6:41 pm

    We are only a few weeks into general election. I think all of us should ignore this Shamshul fellow. It is obvious he is trying to destabilise DAP supporters and potential voters. He can’t see his own racism. He thinks the whole wide world owes Malays a living. Got fly kite Shamshul. His arguments are oxy-moron.

  127. #128 by Loh on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 6:49 pm

    ///On the other side of spectrum, we have requirement like ” Mandarin is required” . So, racism is not limited to Malays only./// -Shamsul Anuar

    Mandarin is required as an ability, and is part of qualification to perform a job expected of the person. Race is not an ability, and to insist on race is racist, and is limited to the group that had the political power to insist that race is a kulification, a higher level of qualification.

  128. #129 by ktteokt on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 10:56 pm

    Let AAB continue his “sleep walk and sleep talk”. He will have the shock of his life when he wakes up to the victory of the opposition this GE!!!!

  129. #130 by Jong on Saturday, 16 February 2008 - 11:18 pm

    ktteokt,
    I would very much like to think so that victory goes to the opposition this GE but it alot depends on Malaysian voters. Remember those despicable running dogs – MCA, Gerakan, PPP and MIC are still a big ‘letdown’ to future generations of Malaysians.

    No time to waste, let’s do our part to reach out, educate and inform voters. A vote for running dogs is a vote for UMNO!

  130. #131 by nus on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 12:13 am

    AAB is a “eight” person. Birthday 26th: 2 + 6 = 8. According to popular numerology an eight person should at all costs avoid or not use any number with combinations of 4 or 8; such as 4, 8, 13, 17, 22, etc., as it may be in conflict with vibrations of “eight”. However, if he feels very strongly about a 4 or 8 number then he would go for it and dissolve Parliament on 13 February. But beware it could be great success or total failure. We believe he has taken a big risk tempting the “stars” to decide on his fate. His name number is “two” using modern numerology. If it had been also a “four” or “eight” also then his going for the 13th date would have been much more dramatic as the success or failure would be of tremendous impact not only on himself but also on the country. Just my two cents. Will the real numerologists please comment.

  131. #132 by BlackEye on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 1:07 am

    “We are only a few weeks into general election. I think all of us should ignore this Shamshul fellow. It is obvious he is trying to destabilise DAP supporters and potential voters. He can’t see his own racism. He thinks the whole wide world owes Malays a living. Got fly kite Shamshul. His arguments are oxy-moron.” Limkamput

    Is this the same guy who challenged others to debate on any issue?? This is hardly a debate on the issues but rather a personal attack on someone who is debating the issues.

  132. #133 by Count Dracula on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 1:21 am

    To expect limkamput to debate on the issues like AhPek does is to ignore the Intelligence Quotient between the two.

  133. #134 by Count Dracula on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 1:22 am

    correction “to be able to debate”

  134. #135 by Jong on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 1:39 am

    Cool it guys! If you have nothing to contribute on this thread, spare us, go watch Arsenal v Man Utd now and stop antangonising limkamput.

    Grow up man!

  135. #136 by limkamput on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 2:31 am

    Dracula, please have some dignity in you, don’t suck up to Ahpek. Why so desperate. I thought there are five of you. Please don’t feel bad when i said you have poor thinking process because that is a fact.

    Yes, Blackeye, you too belong to Shamshul’s category. Have I seen you writting one serious piece before? No way. How can you be? You think incongruously, you write incoherently and you read without understanding. You have no IQ.

  136. #137 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 2:45 am

    “….and stop antangonising limkamput.” Jong

    You’re barking up the wrong tree here, Ma’am!

  137. #138 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 2:54 am

    Limkamput just called another a “dog” on another thread because he could not agree with what was said – a “BN dog” to be precise. The commentator he called a “dog” was just expressing his views and not even responding to comments made by this limkamput.

  138. #139 by laifoong on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 3:21 am

    yep, limkamput called nclee ‘a BN dog’…..

    ‘You think I will let this BN dog to come here and destabilise DAP supporters and voters. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a BN dog.’ limkamput

    waah!… i cannot stand this oso..moderator kick him out….!

  139. #140 by ZhouYu on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 12:45 pm

    Shamsul :

    You got your points, but still, today we’re seeing extremely rich Malays and extremely poor Malays. How do you explain that? I can understand that poverty cannot be eradicated altogether, but some quarters obviously benefited a lot compared to the rest.

    I believe organizations with exposure to China and Taiwan requires Mandarin speaking personnels to deal with customers there. And of course, there’s also some prerequisite for Japanese speaking candidates, obviously to deal with Japanese customers.

    If you feel that DAP or PKR cannot be trusted, nobody is stopping you from casting your vote elsewhere. Just vote for whichever party you feel right. You don’t sound like one of the losers who’d whine over your vote when prices start escalating after a GE that I’ve been observing for the past 2 GE.

  140. #141 by limkamput on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 2:56 pm

    Let me put it this way, nclee is not the only BN dog here. Many here are also “dogs” in sheep skins. Moderator, I suggest you kick them out because they might be paid spies intending to undermine DAP.

    Laifoong, as far as I am concerned, you are only good at finding typo errors and LOL. You want me to send you to Tanjung Rambutan is it?

    One more thing, why every time you write, you must put …. here and .… there? I suspect you can’t even write one proper sentence. Ok, I challenge you. You write me two paragraphs on any of the issues here and if they are really good, I will take my leave from here. There is no need for moderator to kick me out. I am serious, just like when I said I was serious in wanting all bloggers here to contribute RM200 to DAP fund.

    Write me two paragraphs, state your position on any of the issue here, and we debate. If I find you credible and worthy, I shall leave this blog. You have my word.

  141. #142 by chicken on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 4:35 pm

    melayu mudah lupa

  142. #143 by maxplus on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 11:38 pm

    Pak Lah

    Anwar is the person who is going to take over you as the next PM. You will remember that day for sure

    Thanks

  143. #144 by Danniel on Sunday, 17 February 2008 - 11:46 pm

    If Pak Bodowi is so forgetful about Anwar and also what’s going on in the country, then we as voters and citizens has the obligation to come out a complete chronology and history of all Barisan National scandals and remind him of the damages done by BN to the country over the 4 years under the leadership of his nyanyokness Pak Ah-bodoh-lah Amat Bodowi. And facts and figures shall be published before and during the election so that people can have a recap and recall of what dirty sins conducted by Barisan National all these years, with the hope that history will not repeat itself in the future.

  144. #145 by maxplus on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 12:05 am

    Shamsul and few others is either another regular benefactor of country’s NEP policy or a paid UMNO cybertrooper. So; its better to ingore this bloke.

    Lets focus on getting our DAP guys major victory this GE. We are going to encounter many BN clowns and jokers in next few days before 8/3. Sure there are other mamats who will share the aspirations we have together as a true Malaysian

  145. #146 by HB Lim on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 2:12 am

    As much as I feel that shamshul anuar’s comments here and elsewhere should be treated as a very blinkered view formed and believed even without his knowing as a result of UMNO conditioning and propaganda and emanating from and compounded by a very shallow mind and should just be dismissed or ignored, I cannot restrain myself to comment to free him so that he is capable of higher thoughts.

    We should not be arguing about Malays versus non-Malays here even though there are many things to argue about in that respect. The point is that all along, our main national policies are formed by and carried out by UMNO. That is a fact, including the affirmative policies for Malays or Bumiputras. To be sure, we have provisions for Malay special rights in our constitution but unfortunately it was not set in written words in our constitution the historical fact that the original framers had agreed that this provision for special rights would last only for a certain number of years.

    It has been 50 years since Merdeka. Generally speaking, the non-Malays kept to their side of the bargain and let the special rights provisions take their course. We have reached a stage where we have to stop and think about the direction this nation is heading. How long can we go on with the Bumiputra affirmative policies without harming the country generally and the Malays specifically?

    As if the special rights provisions are not enough to divide the nation, UMNO has complicated the matter by introducing the Islamisation policy thus dividing the nation even more. Where and how will these all end?

    There is simply just not enough resources to go on with affirmative policies for so long. Just have a look at the Felda scheme. The government give a small plot of land to a Malay to help him but that piece of land while it may be enough to support his family for the first ten or fifteen years is simply inadequate to sustain the livelihood of his now very extended family. There is no follow up plan, e.g. to bring the factories and the colleges and training schools to the Felda scheme. As a result, we need to have more racially based programmes to go on with the affirmative policies. And where do we get the resources to finance these programmes? Directly or indirectly, the resources must come from the non-Malays. This no doubt gives rise to resentment against the Malays.

    If we keep on with the UMNO affirmative Bumiputra policies, the whole nation would come to a standstill and an open collision between the people of different races and religions. We must have to courage to stop the rot. Of course, to change anything so drastic is no simple task or decision especially from the viewpoint of those who have to be moved out of their comfort zone or who have been the recipients of affirmative policies. However, do we have a choice?

    Some would be naive enough to think that our problem would be resolved if the non-Malays would somehow disappear from the face of this country or if all of them were to become Malays or convert to become Muslims. Granting that that is possible and indeed that it happens one day, do you think that the country can still afford to retain and go on with the same affirmative policies for all its citizens? We cannot even assume that that is possible. Ultimately, all affirmative policies must be based only on needs.

    Hence, to avert a national disaster and to remain a democracy, whether we like it or not, the affirmative policies must come to an end one day and be replaced by a meritocracy with affirmative policies based only on needs. When is the question. Whether we ought to or not is a non-issue. We have no choice but to end it one day and we better do it before the country slows down to a halt or disintegrates through a civil war. It is that grave a decison that we have to make now. The painful future is glaring at us if we do not change.

    Of course, we cannot expect the ordinary folks to understand that grave need to change. But a person like shamshul anuar, being literate though shallow, should be educated to see the gravity of the situation and the need for a change in the fundamental polices of the country. The Bumiputra polices are policies of UMNO and we cannot expect them to change them or change them fast enough. For those policies are what have been helping them to win the elections since a long time ago.

    A communist party has communism as the underlying political philosophy and thoughts for their fundamental policies. A socialist one would have socialism etc etc. UMNO have Bumiputra’ism as their underlying political philosophy and agenda which gave rise to the various Bumiputra affirmative policies which are enforced by jamming them in the mouths and forcing them down the throats of the non-Bumiputra’s and at the same time compelling them to be tolerant about the whole exercise. Not very comfortable when politically you cannot talk, cannot breath and cannot struggle.

    As argued above, those policies cannot last for very long. Those policies are patently destructive in the long run, the forces of destruction being from both within as well as outside of UMNO. They smoulder heat beneath the surface since their inception and which is now creating pockets of fire which can still be controlled at the moment through some give and take, here and there. But the fires are started systemically and systematically and the control measures are ad hoc and insufficient. When those pockets of fires cannot be contained anymore, there will be one big uncontrollable fire to engulf not just UMNO but the nation. If it was just UMNO which will be consumed, I would not be bothered. I am bothered because the nation will not be spared.

    shamsul anuar, I hope you can now see the logic and language and the aspirations of the opposition parties and Malaysians who are opposed to the present policies of UMNO and their and Anwar’s relevance in Malaysian politics. Malaysia needs literate Malays like you to have a deeper mind and more thorough political thoughts. Think about the kind of country your children and their children would inherit. Think about the kind of end that the denial and arrogance syndrome reflected in the expression “Who is Anwar?” would lead us to. Learn to love your nation more.

  146. #147 by limkamput on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 2:45 am

    HB LIM says: Some would be naive enough to think that our problem would be resolved if the non-Malays would somehow disappear from the face of this country or if all of them were to become Malays or convert to become Muslims.

    Although slightly out of context to your posting above, isn’t this what the Arabs and the Muslims in general want to do it to the nation of Israel? Israel should disappear from the surface of this earth. Frightening isn’t it?

  147. #148 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 3:45 am

    HB Lim,

    His earlier comments do not show him to be that superficial and shallow in his thinking. He shows a degree of pragmatism when he said it was all about numbers. It is about the politics of numbers, if you will i.e. the politics of the majority. For as long as the Malays make up the majority, it would be unrealistic according to him to expect change; and by change he means the issue of Malay political hegemony and Malay special privileges.

    You would have to give that to him. Why would the Malays want to give up what is good for them? Would you if you were in their position? I do not think you would. Excuse me for saying so but it does not make sense if you do.

  148. #149 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 3:48 am

    The races are locked in a deadly embrace here!!!

  149. #150 by limkamput on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 12:11 pm

    Darkhorse: Why would the Malays want to give up what is good for them? Would you if you were in their position? I do not think you would. Excuse me for saying so but it does not make sense if you do.

    I tend to agree with you. But just a quick question. Why and how the whites in American were willing to give up their special rights against the black? Didn’t the black in America were even more down trodden than the non here? Just a thought.

  150. #151 by HB Lim on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 8:00 pm

    Darkhorse, sincerely, if I was a Malay and receiving advantages over non -Malays by virtue of the Bumiputra policies, I would be caught in a deep dilemma. My intellectual analysis would tell me that it is bad for the country and the Malays in the long run. But my practical selfish character would tell me to keep things going since I am in the comfort zone.

    On the balance however I would vote for a change for an affirmative policy based on needs. If it is the fair base of needs that is made the criteria for affirmative governmental actions, the poor Malays would also be the recipients. Long term inter-racial peace also becomes possible.

    Our hope probably lies in that segment of the Malays who are educated and enlightened but do not have or get to enjoy the juicy fruits of the Bumiputra policies. The reality is that the Bumiputra policies cannot satisfy all Malays and the education policies, though unfair, have produced a large number of educated Malays. So, the hope for a change is not exactly far-fetched.

  151. #152 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 8:09 pm

    Simple.

    The civil rights movement of the 1960s did not lead to the repeal of any constitutional provisions within the U.S. Constitution. There is no equivalent of anything like Article 153 in their Constitution.

    The whites did not give up anything – legally and constitutionally speaking.

  152. #153 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 8:33 pm

    “Our hope probably lies in that segment of the Malays who are educated and enlightened but do not have or get to enjoy the juicy fruits of the Bumiputra policies.”

    Yes, if among them emerge a leader, a politician who is a visionary who calls for an end to Malay special privileges as practiced by the BN led government, that would be the day. I’m not optimistic that that day will come. In fact I believe that day will never come.

    Through the government policy of attrition, more and more non-Malays see their future in greener pastures as the final solution. The poor among them may not have the resources now to pack and leave, but in time they will produce a new generation who will – and they will leave to find a new future on foreign shores. The old and the weak will remain behind but their numbers will not be replaced.

    No one can stem the tide of migration. Through centuries we see waves of migration emanating from Europe to North America. Today we see similar waves of migration from the Middle East to Europe, and from Asia to the West.

    So this is just one more wave.

  153. #154 by limkamput on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 10:12 pm

    The constitution of America is stated mainly in “principles”, i.e. not in detail as the Constitution of Malaysia. Lots of civil rights were conferred on the blacks based on Supreme Courts decisions such as “bussing”, school and university desegregation etc. All these rights, although did not take away the rights of the whites specifically, have conferred on the blacks which were not there originally. Previously you have a “position” which is above others. Now others have the same position as you. Are these not the same as taking away the privileges of the whites? The issue I raised was why the whites allowed the blacks to have same position as them now because according to your observation the Malays will never allowed this to happen (and I tend to agree)? We are not talking about giving up anything constitutionally or legally. We are talking about the whites have the power to stop the blacks from becoming like them, but they did not. I want to know how and why the whites eventually changed their hearts. Although I am pessimistic of this happening in Malaysia, I still harbour the hope that someday the Malays will be like the whites in America i.e. they will treat the non malays just like them. That is my point.

  154. #155 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 10:33 pm

    This was your original question:

    “Why and how the whites in American were willing to give up their special rights against the black?”

    I believe that was answered.

    You must know the difference between that and this:

    “The issue I raised was why the whites allowed the blacks to have same position as them …”

  155. #156 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 10:54 pm

    The Chinese and Indians are not descendants of slaves. They were never treated as chattels which you could buy and sell and own, like the negros in America.

    You cannot draw a parallel between the experience of slaves and their descendants in America and the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia who are never treated as chattels, properties that could be sold and bought in the open market. You may draw your inspiration from their struggles. But that is another matter. The former South Africa with its apartheid policies makes a better comparison. But even in that country, laws were passed by the white minority who ruled over the majority. Not a case of a majority race ruling over minorities and legally discriminating against them – like Malaysia is.

  156. #157 by DarkHorse on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 11:00 pm

    “The constitution of America is stated mainly in “principles”, i.e. not in detail as the Constitution of Malaysia.” limkamput

    There is no such thing as a “Constitution of America”. I think you’re processing your thoughts and translating them from Malay to English. There is only the U.S. Constitution; and it is expressed in more than just principles. That would be more like the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

  157. #158 by limkamput on Monday, 18 February 2008 - 11:52 pm

    See, you are the one who can’t engage in meaningful discussion. You think you are f* smart, don’t you? From the way you answered earlier, “Simple” it has more or less confirmed my view of you as an arrogant sob. You know what I meant when I said the American Constitution and there is no need to insult and split hair. And I am telling you the US constitution is stated essentially in principles, you bloody blockhead. How many provisions, including the amendments are there in the US constitution and how many are there in the Malaysian constitution? This in fact explains why the US constitution requires fewer amendments than the constitutions of other countries. If you can’t answer me, just keep your f* mouth shut.

  158. #159 by limkamput on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 - 12:01 am

    Are two questions I raised essentially the same? Don’t try to evade if you can’t answer them. I am not imposing on you and you don’t have to prove to the world that you know everything. In fact there is nothing much that you know other than trying to be an Indian racist and insulting others, particularly those you think come from Chinese school background. I have to rephrase the original question in another way because your coconut head can not get it the first time.

  159. #160 by limkamput on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 - 12:06 am

    One more thing, if you see writing Malay that is because I am better than you, not necessary I am Malay. If you know how to start a quarrel, you better know how to stop it.

  160. #161 by limkamput on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 - 12:09 am

    One more thing, if you see me writing Malay that is because I am better than you, not necessary I am Malay. If you know how to start a quarrel, you better know how to stop it.

  161. #162 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 - 10:06 am

    limkamput,

    You asked me earlier why I have not taken to tasks these posters and why you are being ‘singled out’ for critiicism on account of your rude postings.

    I see no reason why I should.

  162. #163 by limkamput on Tuesday, 19 February 2008 - 9:39 pm

    Undergrad2, never mind, you can join in also. I think there is a conspiracy to undermine me and if possible to kick me out. You can do what you want, it is ok with me. I am not running a popularity contest here. Let me say it again, Darkhorse is a bloody f* Indian racist. I can say what I want and will continue to challenge half bake and half true ideas here.

  163. #164 by talktoolong on Wednesday, 20 February 2008 - 11:35 am

    Fantastic comment by our very own PM…. very nice comment on Anwar for forgetfulness… what a disgrace if he is a forgetful PM of MALAYSIA… sooner or later maybe he would also FORGETS about his family and country….why not just forget about everything and just go back to kampung and do your farming…..

  164. #165 by Loh on Wednesday, 20 February 2008 - 6:00 pm

    ///Why would the Malays want to give up what is good for them? Would you if you were in their position? I do not think you would. Excuse me for saying so but it does not make sense if you do.///—Darkhorse

    I believe HB LIM did mention why the policies which appear to be good to Malays were not really good to them, in the long run. It would be good to Malays if they only wanted this place to be cleansed of other races, and they can feel good to be poor together.

    Singapore has 5 times our per capita GDP when she did not even have sufficient water resources. They have achieved this because the governemnt works for the people. Malaysia could achieved higher economic development, if the government is not made to be for the benefit of the leaders and their cronies, togther with the schemes to create captive voters along racial line.

    Whatever assistance provided by the government to Malays could have been possible and more, and be extended equally to non-Malays as well if the government had run the place based on good governance as exemplified by Singapore. Unfortunately, the Malays have been made to feel that they are entitled to special priviledge, and UMNO further made them depend on such special treatment, to stay relevant. Until Malays realise that NEP enriches only the connected UMNOputras, and are not helping economic development in the country, Malaysians who remain will lead a declining standard of living.

    Yes who need Malays who are willing to think to consider the issue in depth, to bring Malaysia back to the correct path.

  165. #166 by shamshul anuar on Wednesday, 20 February 2008 - 11:22 pm

    Dear ZhouYuo,

    Thanks for your posting. Yes, there are filthy rich people and also very poor people in Malaysia. There is no denying on that. But surely, you will realize that the vast majority of people are middle class people.

    Such contradiction are everywhere in the world, with varying degree of severity of course. I saw how rich people enjoy the life in the land of dream “USA”. I also saw homeless peole suffering in bitter cold. Am I to condem USA as useless or the Govt has done no right.

    I am not playing racial game here. But when many just “hentam” UMNO or Malay as if they do no good thing a all, surely I have the right to explain from my race’s point of view.

    If you care to reread my writing, you will notice how I suggest politicians serving for too long a period to be dropped, among them are Samy Vellu and Chief Minister of sarawak, not to mention other opposition who behaves as if the party is Sdn Bhd.

  166. #167 by DiaperHead on Thursday, 21 February 2008 - 6:34 am

    “It would be good to Malays if they only wanted this place to be cleansed of other races, and they can feel good to be poor together.” Loh

    That’s extremely naive!

  167. #168 by teikleechoo on Thursday, 21 February 2008 - 10:51 am

    Mr. Lim, the opposition should be using this latest fiasco as part of your campaign…
    PM has always said, his promises takes time to implement, asking for a fresh mandate to make sure that he can deliver his promises to the rakyat.
    His statement about Anwar is a joke and mokery to the intelligence of the people of Malaysia.

    Make a poster to remind Malaysians. If PM can “forget” about Anwar Ibrahim, what is the guarantee that after he is given his requested fresh mandate, he won’t turn around and say: “Did I promise to be the number 1 public servant? Did I promise to purge out corruption? Did I promise fairness? I’ve ‘forgotten’ about the promises just like I sudah lupa Anwar Ibrahim… “

  168. #169 by shamshul anuar on Thursday, 21 February 2008 - 9:53 pm

    Dear Teikleechoo,

    Allow me to explain in basic English with regards to PM’s statement on Anwar. What he said is this: Anwar is not a factor in this coming election. He was just saying what the Malays feel about Anwar.

    That a Malay politician’s dalliance with DAP, considered as an enemy By Malays, will not earn him votes from the Malays. That is the reality in malay politics.

  169. #170 by noaki on Saturday, 8 March 2008 - 2:30 am

    well, it doesn’t matter what his words mean…i m juz too embarassed when my japanese ex-U-mate ask me : tht sleeping guy is your malaysia’s PM?? maybe, he is too tired holding on too many positions, maybe…

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