Another Ops Lalang in the works?


(Speech at the 2,000-People DAP Batu Pahat dinner in Batu Pahat, Johore on Friday, 4th July 2008 at 10 pm)

In Parliament last evening (Thursday), the Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi told reporters that the people should not to listen to rumours of an impending emergency rule.

He said:

“The government was stable. The security is under control. Everything is under control. Don’t believe anything you hear.

“I don’t think anybody should be worry. There are too many rumours.”

Rumours have indeed become very rife in recent times, with Abdullah as Prime Minister under siege since the March general election 125 days ago – from both inside Umno, Barisan Nasional and outside.

In practice, rumours should not be given much credibility. However, in Malaysia’s political culture and tight mainstream media control, rumours have greater credibility than other countries as many rumours had subsequently proven true than the many official denials issued by purported authoritative sources.

The latest rumour is that there is mounting pressure in the corridors of power for strong-armed measures to invoke draconian and undemocratic laws to deal with dissent, raising questions whether the country is on the threshold of a major clampdown against dissent – with the Abdullah government facing deepening public crisis of confidence, whether from the failure to deliver belated reforms in the past four months, inability to deal with a worsening economic scenario, public protests at the unconscionable increase in oil prices sparking all-round inflation or the mishandling of the political crisis like the high-profile C4 murder of the Mongolian national Altantuya Shaariibuu.

I call on the Prime Minister to give categorical assurance that he will stay true to his pledges of democratic and human rights reforms and not launch another Ops Lalang with mass Internal Security Act (ISA) arrests of Opposition leaders to seek an ”easy” but short-sighted way out of his political siege to consolidate his power position.

  1. #1 by madmix on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 1:49 pm

    Raja Petra,s blog now blocked. Could he be a target of Lallang?

  2. #2 by trashed on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 1:51 pm

    Given the PM’s track record on flip-flopping his own statements, an assurance could be taken to mean the opposite – an impending crackdown ?

    On the other hand, if he says that he is considering it, could that mena unlikely to happen ?

    I pun kalang kabut lah.

  3. #3 by baoqingtian on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 1:59 pm

    In Malaysia, rumours are true. Just believe it.

  4. #4 by toyolbuster on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:20 pm

    When this PM says don’t worry, I would be sh*t scared. When he says don’t listen to rumours, then the rumours are bound to be true. But when he says something, the truth is always the opposite. 9 out of 10 times, he has proven this to be correct correct correct. Both the PM and DPM, and of course the newly appointed overzealous Domestic Trade Minister had reassured us that Price of petrol won’t be increased, and it did and a lot worse than being rumoured. What a disgraceful government we have. Being disgraceful and incompetent is bad, but being scandalous as well, this is tantamount to treason. And now with Anwar so busy on the Bollywood set, I think our Agong must not hesitate and do what is constitutionally right for our country.

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  6. #6 by Tulip Crescent on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:27 pm

    “The Government WAS stable.” Why the past tense in this sentence.

    Worry, worry, worry …

  7. #7 by One4All4One on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:29 pm

    Joint Police, Military Exercise, excerpt from Malaysian Insider:

    “”PARLIAMENT, July 3 – The Prime Minister assured all Malaysians that there were no security issues in the country and that the current police and army exercise was nothing to worry about.

    “Malaysia is safe and stable. Please don’t get overexcited about what is happening. There are a lot of rumours. Please don’t believe them. Don’t panic, ” said Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi after chairing the Northern Corridor Economic Region board’s first meeting today.””

    If there is nothing to worry about and that the country is safe and stable why the joint exercise then?

    There must be something to it, the joint police-military exercise. In preparation to face some kind of grave situation which are impending or made to seem impending? Who knows.

  8. #8 by Godfather on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:31 pm

    Badawi Al-Korridor is not in control of the government, so why should we give credence to whatever he says ?

    “We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005

  9. #9 by Mr Smith on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:32 pm

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  10. #10 by mybangsamalaysia on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:44 pm

    YB

    I want to see changes in government attitudes and also the middle management (they better know their responsibilites and why are they being appointed, especially when the top management has lost directions), improvement in economy, raise standard of living, stop corruption (start from police force…)… not talking and talking, planning and planning, more papers and papers presentation, speech after speech, flipping and flopping, worst… to ask us to go for lower lifestyle.

    YB, dont you know that our police force is corrupted (saya nanti rasuah)… try out police on the road we can easily catch them doing it, open secret and even foreigners know about it, shameful. ACA just need to use their brain and they can easily catch the corrupted police, simple and why no action. ACA, please dont talk only. I always see ACA NATO. Sometime, i feel frustrated to pay tax to government to get half hearted services in return.

    Anyway, i should say sorry to fellow Malaysian, i am seriously considering migration.

    Change and why wait, YB, you have my support.

  11. #11 by yhsiew on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:49 pm

    Prior to exposing the misdeeds of IGP and AG, Anwar warned Malaysians of an impending clampdown from the government. I am sure Anwar knows something about the “emergency rule”.

  12. #12 by ahkok1982 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 2:59 pm

    if there is really no need to worry, then why issue such a statement? you dont see the gov of any other country making such statements when semua-nya really OK.
    by making such statements, what will he achieve? making more people get worried, more people applying to leave the country, more people throwing their stocks, more people changing from RM to any other currency, foreign investors dumping everything they have here to move to anywhere else, just like Nikko.
    what you will see is a gradual slowdown or worst, a meltdown of malaysia’s economy. congratulations AAB, your failed statistics brain once again proves to be nothing but hot air aka FART

  13. #13 by yhsiew on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 3:00 pm

    Pak Lah must think thrice before putting the army on the streets. Once they are on the streets, investors will flee en masse, the stock market will collapse and the Malaysian economy, which has taken years to build up what it is today, will be ruined.

    Pak Lah please don’t play with emergency rule and Martial law – the people will suffer in the end!

  14. #14 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 3:05 pm

    The first question is whether PM is in sufficient control over government to give any categorical assurance not to impose emergency rule.

    Everything has changed since Saiful Bahari’s lodgment of sodomy report against PR’s defacto head DSAI. That will prove the watershed in Malaysian political history.

    Before that, PR gained political ground by constitutional ballot. Even the much touted cross overs are not illegal. The power brokers in UMNO are wary and anxious but they have no excuse to pressure PM to renege on his pledges of democratic and human rights reforms because the pretext is, everyone respects the sanctity of the law and constitution.

    The situation drastically changed after Saiful Bahari’s lodgment of sodomy report.

    PR’s defacto head faces investigation for sodomy. He alleges conspiracy to politically destroy him. He points the finger at he who apparaently has control over the army, and if DSAI’s recent police report were to be believed, the allegiance of some of the top brass of police as well, making him probably the most powerful man controlling levers of power within government.

    In short, the defacto head of PR is locked in a mortal combat against he who arguably might well be the most powerful man in government today.

    It is a combat where stakes are high : the price is high office, the winner takes all, and the loser will be crushed.

    The peculiarity of such a conflict is that it is borne from the intersection of opposing two strong ambitions fighting for one post. Neither is willing to concede to resolve the conflict because each perceives he has something tangible against the other to prove the other’s unsuitability for the prized post. And therefore the conflict must therefore run its inexorable course to the finish.

    Against such a backdrop, Opposition defacto head is not sitting still and put to say, “hey let the law takes it course” as far as allegations of sodomy are concerned. I believe his position is : the administration of law is not an institution on which one could rely for justice anymore. Law is a subservient servant of those in power determined to dig in. The solution then to DSAI has to be political in nature. He therefore raises the stakes, ups the ante by proposing to turn to people’s power. He calls for a ‘one million people’ protest, to be held at the Kelana Jaya stadium. This is only the beginning of a nationwide campaign. These rallies most certainly will target that person arguably the most powerful in government today.

    Such street rallies and demonstrations have set precedence to topple unpopular corrupt regimes in Jakarta (Suharto), Manila (Marcos) and Bangkok (Thaksin).

    No matter that such rallies and demonstrations are much touted as a show of people’s democracy in a milieu whereby the law does not command the respect as a fair arbiter of political change, the fact remains that these rallies and demonstrations are in fact extra-legal and constitutional (a euphemism for unlawful and illegal, to put the issue more directly) which in turn gives the other side – determined to protect their vested interest – the much needed excuse to cast aside pledges of democratic and human rights reforms and to unleash instead the raw police/military power within their control.

    So to Kit’s question – are we seeing a prologue of Ops Lalang with mass Internal Security Act (ISA) arrests of Opposition leaders or even emergency rule, I would say, well nigh, not unlikely.

    In fact, whether one believes it or not, the only person that stands between a crackdown or imposition of emergency is none other than (ironically) the PM caught in between the confrontation of two powerful nesmesises. He is in an uneviable position because of the likelihood of being sidelined from real exercise of power if either of the titans in conflict wins the other decisively and quickly. [An emergency rule will not benefit him when one reminesces the fate of the first Prime Minister in the wake of the emergency rule by National Operations Council (NOC) headed by his Deputy Tun Abdul Razak in the immediate aftermath of May 13 1969]. He is safe for so long as the conflict protracts until such time he is safely allied with the winning side.

    I therefore don’t think that it is the right time for Kit to ask him for any categorical assurance because whether it is given or not given, it will not be relevant to what is going to happen.

    It all boils down how he plays the game and exercise whatever residual powers he could summon. If they are only perfunctory, then emergency rule is real prospect when PR de facto head ups the stakes and ante and mobilise the power from the streets.

  15. #15 by bystander on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 3:23 pm

    The polis are the criminals and scums of this nation. how can one rely on the polis to uphold the rule of law and justice. the rule of law is dead in this country. this is an emergency and the king must take over.

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  17. #17 by imranj78 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 3:40 pm

    An Ops Lalang would do no good for Malaysia in the long run. It would further damage AAB’s reputation. The government should let the democratic process in the country run, for as long as law and order can be maintained. But rumours are rumours. Lets see whether something substantial comes out to justify such rumours.

  18. #18 by James on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 3:43 pm

    The illegitimate bolehland prime minister is now paranoid of the threats from his bn ministers, tdm’s vicious tongue, bn mp’s & opposition mp’s. Becoz of the many grave sins that he has committed during his despotic rule he is also fearful of his Allah(?)

    Of course to preserve his illegitimate power he is plotting to commit greater sins against the rakyat & so is getting mired deeper into the abyss. God, pray provide relief to the innocent rakyat of all religions and pray take this monster devil away from us. Amen…….

  19. #19 by David1111 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:11 pm

    “In Parliament last evening (Thursday), the Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi told reporters that the people should not to listen to rumours of an impending emergency rule.”

    I don’t think you Malaysians living in this Boleh land should be taught of what is right/wrong or what is to be done. You are smart enough!!!

    The Prime Minister Mr. Abdul is simply a poor and useless person who not only not able to manage the country but love to tell lies all the time. I wonder is this allowable as a Muslim or you guys can deduce what kind of person he is.

    Wake up!!!!!!!! Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!

  20. #20 by David1111 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:14 pm

    Dear Fellow Malaysians, I heard there will be a rally of protest this weekend in Kuala Lumpur which will be attended by more than 1M ppl?

    I hope this will be a reality!!!!

    UMNO, please !!!!!!!! Enough is ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I hope Mr. Anwar take over plan will come into reality!!!!!!

    Once agin, UMNO, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. #21 by pgsilai on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:29 pm

    http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/headlines/42-lead-stories/1413-turmoil-makes-it-hard-for-najib-to-challenge-pm read this “In a sense, the country is leaderless because the person in charge cannot impose his will,”“Those who are being led are not strong enough to remove him.”

  22. #22 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:42 pm

    who own Post Malaysia ? His son in law.
    who own ECM Libra ? His son in law. I think the Royal Inqury should be own his son in law cause at is age how can such a young person amase such wealth.

  23. #23 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:44 pm

    Stop using the ISA or EO to warn people. Let the rakyat decide who the rakyat really want for a new PM

  24. #24 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:46 pm

    Recent case in involve Datuk Najib & Datuk Anwar.
    Both should take a poly test in telling who is telling the truth.Just like CSI interview crime people

  25. #25 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 4:48 pm

    If both of them really want to fight.Why not take it out to street & have 1 by 1 better than making the Malaysia Economic have more problem & has a serious impact on our ecoomic

  26. #26 by dapsupporter8888 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:02 pm

    I don’t know if most of you people are aware, but today, I noticed heavy police presence everywhere I go (around KL & PJ). Is that a sign of something??? Please enlighten!

    Everytime I see police, I get so disgusted at their sight knowing very well that they are the “dogs” of the Government now. I mean, when the powers that be ask the police to sit, they sit; ask them to stand, they stand, ask them to eat, they eat.

  27. #27 by pinkdolphin on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:09 pm

    thanks for the link, smeagroo. Let’s stand by RPK and may God be with him and all the best with the police shortly today. Good luck Malaysia!

  28. #28 by boh-liao on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:31 pm

    Don’t worry, no General Elections – KA-BOOM- GE confirmed!!
    Don’t worry, no fuel increase till later part of the year – KA-BOOM – >40% fuel price increase imposed!!
    Don’t worry, no Ops Lalang – KA-BOOM – u know I know!! Will there be enough cells in Kamunting for lalang?

    In some professions, the people there are well respected for “my words are my honor”. Sadly our PM is not in those professions.

    We must have great respect for our PDRM for their most efficient influence on people’s mind and behaviour. PI P. Balasubramaniam, a tough ex-policeman, spent an evening at the Brickfields police station and came out transformed as a new entity. Hats off to our PDRM.

    On the other hand, hats off too to RPK for remaining himself despite having been in and out of police stations several times. He is due to report to the Sentul Police Station anytime now. Let’s wait and see if any transformation of character takes place during the chit-chat with police.

  29. #29 by sean on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:37 pm

    Well may god condemn the police and army in our nation for whatever they might be planning.But as i see it……the people will emerge stronger that the devils themself.

  30. #30 by firefox on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:44 pm

    If all the news is rumours then why they want to block “Malaysia Today” RPK blog? because they worry rakyat know the truth… This is prove that UMNO alot bad stuff hidden. That’s not rumours, that is TRUTH!

  31. #31 by firefox on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 5:48 pm

    I suggest RPK make more blogs in wordpress.com or blogger.com free blogging site and spread all the news over the internet. Coz i dun think they will block all the blogs. every blogger in Malaysia will sharing the articles and spread the news together.

    I don’t think they can block all. If want to stop it then just stop Internet in Malaysia if they can. LOL…

  32. #32 by boh-liao on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 6:01 pm

    PDRM = skilled turnaround artist.

  33. #33 by kingkenny on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 6:17 pm

    Woi Tulip Crescent!

    This is Malaysian English maah! Aiyo :)

  34. #34 by taxpayer on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 6:21 pm

    “I have to accept that in Malaysian politics it is okay to play dirty, make fools of the law as long as their objectives are achieved,” he said.

    Najib from Malaysiakini.

    It is okay to play dirty. So everyone can play dirty? The government has to reformed.

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  36. #36 by naiveforever on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 6:48 pm

    As a citizen of beloved Malaysia I believe the words of assurance is not enough.

    What is expected is immediate and stern action on the matter by the country’s 1st leader in resolving the issues be it to whomsoever’s advantage will be at stake.

    Afterall the country’s image is being tarnished so long as the matter is let to drag as time flies.

  37. #37 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:20 pm

    ‘Umno vice-president Muhyiddin Yassin has told Anwar to keep Malaysians out of his personal issue involving the police report of sodomy against him. Muhyiddin said the way the PKR de facto leader was going about handling a personal issue by involving the people of the country was causing public confusion, according to Bernama. “I have been informed that the people are getting worried that Anwar might repeat what he had done in 1998 (when faced with a similar matter),” he told reporters in Muar today.’ – Malaysiakini’s report Jul 5, 08 5:27pm.

    Even as Kit calls on the PM to give categorical assurance to uphold democratic pledges and not launch a crackdown, what about looking inwards at the other side of the equation of Pakatan Rakyat’s de facto head Anwar’s evincing the clear intention to generate and whip up the ‘reformasi’ wave to fight the government by rallies and demonstrations since the time of Saiful Bahari’s lodging a report alleging sodomy??

    Until the time of Saiful’s report Pakatan Rakyat’s struggle has been confined to the constitutional process of the ballot box of which the Opposition gained much ground on 8th March political tsunamy. There is also nothing unlawful about cross overs to enable PR’s take over of the federal government (provided that no bribery is implicated).

    But rallies and demonstrations – one million people & so on – changes the profile of the political struggle from legal framework to the streets!

    Unpopular as it may be, it has to be asked if Anwar has the right to change the profile of this struggle and get the entire Pakatan Rakyat to go along this path of generating reformasi people power in confrontatioon with the goverbnment of the day and existing legal processes (no matter of much we doubt the impartiality of these legal processes) – all because of his personal problem of having to disprove Saiful Bahari’s allegations?

    95% of the people do not after all believe Saiful Bahari’s allegations and proving them is uphill all the way by whosoever instigating them.

    If these allegations of sodomy were “fabricated” as the PR’s defacto head said, then rebutting them by convincing proof of alibi would be a breeze which would only increase PR’s popularity as against the ruling coalition and propel and hasten the cross overs and take over a trifle faster than otheerwise would be.

    So why the urgent need for the PR’s de facto head to generate the ‘reformasi’ wave via rallies and demonstrations to precipitate direct confrontation against the government and keepers of law and order giving the warlords on the other side all the requisite excuse and pretext to launch a crack down and even emergency rule to preserve their positions under the name of law & order?

    This stand off and upping the ante and stakes by the method of people power confrontation will surely take the country down a dangeous path where anything can happen.

  38. #38 by boh-liao on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:21 pm

    Too much lies and pigs/elephants flying around!

    Please invite Robert DeNiro to use a polygraph machine to administer a lie detector test to NR, AI, Saiful, and Bala, just as he did to Mr. Focker in ‘Meet the Parents’.

  39. #39 by cancan on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:28 pm

    Who will be the next PM?

    Link: http://www.kingsmary.blogspot.com/

  40. #40 by budak on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:32 pm

    tomorrow, it’s Malaysian Days to bring down the a Government full of lies, corruptions, disrespect of Constitution and Yang Di-Pertuan Agong and Raja-Raja Melayu…

    BN = Penderhaka Rakyat Malaysia…

  41. #41 by allout on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:36 pm

    Hi,

    As a peaceful citizen, I think the million people rally which is to be held tomorrow is not right in the eye of silent majority. Trouble is the last thing we want especially in this difficult time. Why invite trouble and give the ruling party reason to effect emergency rules and ops lalang. After all is only the ambition of only one man.

    After the March election, PR leadership rightly told the people, no victory celebration as they aware that the other party may use the occasion to cause trouble. Why PR change their mind and take destructive route. Are we seeing the true colour of PR that the people’s welfare and economy stability are secondary, where are all the promise made regarding safety and security for the people? We are really fed up what you people are doing is hurting our pocket.

    My massage YB Lim Kit Siang, our votes is not for you to go to the street.

  42. #42 by Elwin Heng on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:44 pm

    Look at what type of movie scenario on showing now! So generous to ‘2nd chairman’, forget and forgive! Doubt if change to anyone of PR, whether or not, will he and his watchdog ‘forget & forgive’? Will I.x.A or O.x.A let go? Experienced and convinced, the answer is ‘NO, never-ever, less than 24hrs then become detainee…

    Since when our lovely (M) become well-known, famous, or opposite ~shy shy… Try to click and read 1st posted comment .

    Our lovely (M) ~might or may be~ has included and/or listed in CRISE(the Oxford based Centre for Research on Inequality, Human Security & Ethinicity) for potential racial riot if not handled properly? The good news and also sadly heard that awarded places Sri Lanka along (M), South Africa & Uganda says these are situations where the politically dominant powerful tend to deprieve the minorities.

    Sincerely to welcome PR party leaders, awaiting your kindly efforts and power-turnover, the nation alongside you. Victory = PR!

    TQ.
    Warmest regards.

  43. #43 by citizenwatch on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:46 pm

    PM’s and BN’s duplicity is well known now and it’s just unfortunate that this is from one formerly known as Mr. Clean.

    If there were to be any emergency or crackdown now, it is a delayed act from after the March 8 election as rumours went around at that time of a staged chaos leading to emergency reminiscent of 1969.

    In PDRM now there are among some top brass who are not agreeable to the current drama.

    Barring any intervening factors and based on status quo, the army’s loyalty is to the King.

    We can only hope for the best for our beloved nation.

  44. #44 by budak on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 7:50 pm

    P.Bala & family members are reported missing now…

    2 possibility:-
    a. went hiding, maybe in foreign embassy
    b. C4-ed…

  45. #45 by Xiao He on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:13 pm

    on feb 12, AAB said parliament won’t be dissolved the next day; on feb 13, AAB asked for royal consent to dissolve the parliament..

    on june 3, shahrir representing the cabinet saying the fuel price won’t increase at least till august; on june 4, fuel price hiked to rm2.70 / litre..

    now, AAB said “The government was stable. The security is under control. Everything is under control. Don’t believe anything you hear”; so, logically, what u think will happen next??

  46. #46 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:13 pm

    Any emergency or crackdown now is not a delayed action of 8th March 2008 political Tsunamy. The PM then accepted the results as “point taken”. If there were any such intention they would have done it then then to allow Pakatan Rakyat state asemblymen to be sworn in and run the state governments until now. If there were any emergency or crackdown now, it will be due to the recent developments.

  47. #47 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:14 pm

    “…they would have done it then THAN to allow Pakatan Rakyat state asemblymen to be….”

  48. #48 by lew1328 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:21 pm

    Greeting! YB Kit

    Trust me, you’ll have all the “Rakyat” support by all mean.

    People’s has been fed up for thing’s happened rececntly and loosed faith in total.

  49. #49 by budak on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:31 pm

    Xiao He says “now, AAB said “The government was stable. The security is under control. Everything is under control. Don’t believe anything you hear”; so, logically, what u think will happen next??”

    DARURAT…!

  50. #50 by yog7948 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:33 pm

    Don’t worry mate.. let the army come.. they gonna defend us from the Police for sure.. I know them.. they hate police. You can’t read the mind of army.. Their loyalty is to the DYMM only..

    They will defend us by all cost if police practice their oppression routine on us, unless DYMM say not to. Then we are all doomed forever. DYMM and the rulers council is our only hope if BN want create riot..

    For all the brothers and sisters gathering tomorrow.. may gods blessing be with you all.. Evil wont last long.

  51. #51 by Loyal Malaysian on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:36 pm

    Desparate times call for desparate measures.
    But to whom are times desparate at the moment?
    And why is the moment so fraught with desperation for that senior politician?
    All his attempts at covering up his tracks have been blown to pieces by the SD1.
    So will the PM bail him out with ops lalang 2 or will other equally devious and evil means be employed to put leaders of dissent out of commission?
    I believe we will see an answer to this query in how the authorities deal with the protest gathering tomorrow.
    I can but say a silent prayer for the welfare of all those taking part tomorrow.

  52. #52 by devilmaster on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:44 pm

    budak Says:
    P.Bala & family members are reported missing now…
    2 possibility:-
    a. went hiding, maybe in foreign embassy
    b. C4-ed…

    c. flee to another place/country with his new-found $$$.

  53. #53 by Jong on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 8:58 pm

    Sure, not in the barbacue pit?

  54. #54 by greatstuff on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:01 pm

    Can anyone advise me how I can access Malaysia Today? I was able to do so until very recently, via smeargo’s http link- have the hackers been at it again?? Thanks.

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  56. #56 by cemerlang on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:13 pm

    ya kah ? That means we are going back to the 60’s and the early 70’s. Not only that. We might be back to the past with the Sultan ruling over the land. The moral of the story is this. Never play, play with Mongolians because they have the warriors’ spirit. Imagine a group of tribal people riding wild and conquering all the lands from Mongolia till Europe.

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  58. #58 by pulau_sibu on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:21 pm

    Bala is missing? Is he going ‘to meet’ the Mongolian woman? Is the explosive working for him by blasting off into the sky like a rocket?

    # Desperately seeking Bala and family
    Jul 5, 08 6:06pm
    # breaking news updated 8.05pm In the latest twist to the scandal, the private investigator’s nephew R Kumaresan today lodged a police report over the disappearance of his uncle, aunt and their children

  59. #59 by Tulip Crescent on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:35 pm

    Kingkenny

    Malaysian English or Malglish?

    In the 1970s, Kit was compalining of the falling standards of the Englsh language. No action was ever taken. So now the Prime Minister himself does not know what is past or present tense? Is that what you are saying?

    This country has gone to the dogs. It has gone to pot. Ask Kit. He knows it. Oh, the opportunity cost was very high!

    Name me one institution that the average Malaysian can rely on, Kingkenny. Zilch!

    And now, as Jeffrey says, we are going down the abyss.

    Can I see you tomorrow at Kelana Jaya. Wear a pink shirt.

  60. #60 by wtf2 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:39 pm

    PDRM is no longer a sacred institute – rather it’s a government sponsored triad society.

  61. #61 by yog7948 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:42 pm

    UMNO asking anwar to swear; AMK asking najib, IGP and ag to swear; Muftis as both parties to swear.. Think i’am going to SWEAR all of them..

    Don’t you think these is stupid! If all those people really have faith in god, they won’t be doing all these absurd things in the first place.. Just ask any robber, rapist or corrupted politician, they won’t really mind swear on Holy book or even their mother.. corrupted politician the worst, these people politicize everything even religion. That is how low their mentality.

    Please stop tarnishing religion by asking bigots to swear.. Between DSAI, najib, ag, igp. AAB or even Saifool.. Raakyat knows who are the scoundrel.. God knows better.. So please stop all this Swearing by Holy Book thing.

  62. #62 by allout on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:50 pm

    YB Lim,

    No government in the world will simply let you go to the street and topple them without bloodshed. Don’t trade peace and stability for destruction. Please come to your sense.

  63. #63 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:52 pm

    I heard that the army is already in PJ.

  64. #64 by smartmoney_88 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 9:53 pm

    Before I FORGET i also heard that price for petrol will soon increase to RM3.00. They say in august

  65. #65 by sjchange on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:09 pm

    Be stirring as the time,
    be fire with fire,
    threaten the threatener,
    and outface the brow of bragging horror;
    so shall inferior eyes,
    that borrow their behaviors from the great,
    grow great by your example
    and put on the dauntless spirit of resolution.
    (William Shakespeare)

    Moral courage is a virtue of higher cast
    and nobler origin than physical.
    It springs from a consciousness of virtue
    and renders a man,
    in the pursuit or defense of right,
    superior to the fear of reproach,
    opposition in contempt.
    (Samuel Goodrich)

    We should not forget that our tradition
    is one of protest and revolt,
    and it is stultifying to celebrate
    the rebels of the past…………..
    while we silence the rebels of the present.
    (Henry Steele Commager)

    Take ground for truth , and justice,
    and rectitude, and piety, and fight well
    there can be no question as to the result.
    (Henry Ward Beecher)

    It is never safe to look into the future wtih eyes of fear.
    (E.H. Harrison)

    It is good rule to face difficulties at the time they arise
    and not allow them to increase unacknowledged.
    (Edward W. Ziegler)

  66. #66 by yog7948 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:11 pm

    Just if any of our YAM Rulers will spare their precious time attending the gathering tomorrow will prevent any unforeseen foul attempt from BeeEnd. For the sake of the people.. they should voice out..

    If anything bad going to happen tomorrow, they too hold the responsible as Sultans of the people. There won’t be any ethnic clash.. it will be Malaysian against Corrupted UMNO government..

  67. #67 by mecharojak on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:12 pm

    ># allout Says:
    >Today at 21: 50.03 (16 minutes ago)

    That statement is false. Governments can be toppled without bloodshed.

  68. #68 by yhsiew on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:13 pm

    Kit,

    Push for actions to conduct an investigation on SD1 and SD2 because Bala might have committed the offence of submitting false evidence in SD1. It is important to probe the veracity of SD1 and SD2 so as to establish whether Bala has actually committed the said offence.

    SDs cannot be retracted. SD1 is still legally valid.

  69. #69 by justice6 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:14 pm

    where are the royals when we need them…?

  70. #70 by justice6 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:20 pm

    if only we can mobilise half nation to go on strike.. maybe get them to honk the same time for 5 minutes.. honking protest..

  71. #71 by allout on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:29 pm

    mecharojak,

    The only way to topple the government without bloodshed is through democracy process that is the election and not on the going to the street. You think you have the member, what if the UMNO people come to the street, you think they will sit doing nothing, you must be in the dream land.

  72. #72 by mendela on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:31 pm

    Another way to get into Malaysia Today website is to Google search Malaysia Today and get in from searched result.

  73. #73 by yog7948 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:35 pm

    As we see it, there will be no point of having any investigation at all. All those Thugs in Blue will say is ” Kami akan siasat”.period. What else are they capable of.. apart from intimidating the weak, take bribe and wag their tail at their UMNO masters.

    All just waste of time.. really want some changes.. change their masters first then we can talk about investigation.. Put RPK and karpal in KDN..

  74. #74 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:39 pm

    There are however some differences in circumstances of Ops Lalang in 1987 and the one conjectured as likely now.

    1. Then TDM had excuse of political tensions with strong racial overtones. Then the catayst was Education Ministry’s appointments of some 100 senior assistants and principals to vernacular Chinese schools who were not Mandarin-educated. MCA, DAP Dong Jiao Zong made public protests which precipitated mirror response from UMNO Youth. Present tensions are not racial. It is about Petrol hike that affects all races. It is about intra fighting within UMNO amongst Maly elites. It is more about the inter fight between a two Malay leaders, the defacto PR chief and the Deputy PM. Operation Lallang might in 1987 engender support amongst Malaysian Malays. A similar operation now will be resented as it would perceive as a repeated persecution of a popular malay and Malaysian leader in Anwar and those who suport him.

    2. Then PM was of more autocratic disposition compared to present. TDM’s platform of rule was economic development compared to AAB’s reform agenda of TDM’s legacy.

    3. Then TDM had a credible challenger : Tengku Li. Present PM faces at least 4 potential challengers but having a temporary repreive from two of the most powerful locked in mortal conflict whilst the other 2, not so serious a challenge. It does not benefit the present incumbent to impose an emergency rule – unless an emergency rule and crackdown may be forced upon him. Such an event will only strengthen the rival’s position against him so I don’t see why he would go along with a crack down or rule by emergency ordinance if he could help it.

    4. Then TDM had more than 2/3 majority in Parliament; present is without 2/3 and vulnerable to crossovers tipping scale. Unless a concomitant emergency rule is otherwise imposed suspending Parliament, a similar Ops Lallang now might accelerate crossovers. If emergency rule now imposed, the already weak economic conditions and foreign capital flight will be exacerbated, all the gravy train incidental to the various Coridors under 9th Malaysia Plan may slow to a halt.

    5. Besides Anwar has international support and all eyes are on Malaysia in the wake of Lingam video clip, Altantuya Shaariibuu’s murder, various Statutory Declarations and police reports implicating thoise at higest echelons of power makingh it harder to legitimise a crackdown;

    6. And of course the proloferations of NGOs and blogs acting as check and balance against naked force.

  75. #75 by yog7948 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 10:42 pm

    BN asking DSAI to swear; AMK asking najib, IGeePee and agee to swear; Muftis ask both parties to swear.. Think i’am going to SWEAR all of them..

    Don’t you think these is stupid! If all those people really have faith in god, they won’t be doing all these absurd things in the first place.. Just ask any robber, rapist or corrupted politician, they won’t really mind swear on Holy book or even their mother.. corrupted politician the worst, these people politicize everything even religion. That is how low their mentality.

    Please stop tarnishing religion by asking bigots to swear.. Between DSAI, najib, ag, igp. AAB or even Saifool.. Raakyat knows who are the sco**drel.. God knows better.. So please stop all this Swearing by Holy Book thing.

  76. #76 by eyuppie on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:03 pm

    AMAT SEDIH! PAK LAH MASIH TIDUR SELEPAS MAR 08, 2008 POLITIC TSUNAMI. ENTAH-LAH MENGAPA PAK LAH MASIH TAKUT. KAN SITUASI SEKARANG ADALAH MENGUNTUNGKAN PADA-NYA. NAJIB DAN ANWAR SUDAH MASALAH TERUK. BURSA SAHAM PUN IKUT TURUN TERUK. SEKARANG PELUANG EMAS BAGI PAK LAH UNTUK MENYELAMATKAN SEMUA RAKYAT DAN EKONOMI NEGARA. PULIH-KAN BALIK BURSA SAHAM DAN KEYAKINAN PELABUR LUAR NEGARA. DENGAR-LAH NASIHAT PAKAR-PAKAR PENASIHAT TAK KIRA BANGSA, KAUM, UGAMA DAN BUDAYA. PAK LAH HARUS BUKA HATI BESAR-BESAR UNTUK SEMUA RAKYAT MALAYSIAN AND NEGARA MALAYSIA!

  77. #77 by 9to5 on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:07 pm

    Regarding the mass rally planned for tomorrow in Petaling Jaya to protest the fuel price hike, the police has requested to rally to be contained in the MPPJ stadium instead of the old venue.

    The Police have set up roadblocks at major traffic arteries throughout the Klang Valley towards Kuala Lumpur ahead of the mass rally.

    Is this a trickery of the Police or what? First, they suggested the stadium and then they block the stadium. Next, are they going to lock the stadium with all the protesters inside like the batu caves incident?

    Now they are blocking all the websites like Malaysia Today that provide vital instruction and information on the planned rally! On all channels on TV, we have seen intimidations and warnings by the police, CUEPACS, Internal security Minister, etc not to attend the rally and veiled threats of unrest!

    Tomorrow, if there are 20,000 protesters out of 1 million, it will already be a bonus due to the dirty tactics instituted by the BN Government!

  78. #78 by mecharojak on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:10 pm

    allout

    Demonstration is not rioting. UMNO is not all mighty. Contiunue to live like a slave you will always be a slave.

  79. #79 by mendela on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:16 pm

  80. #80 by passerby on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:22 pm

    I don’t think there will be peaceful change since the whole gov., departments, police, judiciary and the army are so corrupted and entrenched and with so much is at stake. Do you think all these corrupt officials will not fight back to preserve their lives if they is any change. Something tell me all is not right with all the police and the military exercise coming now. Be prepare and stock up your food as usual.

  81. #81 by sjchange on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:23 pm

    The greatest asset of any nation
    is the spirit of tis people,
    and the greatest danger
    that can menace any nation
    is the breakdown of that spirit—
    the will to win and the courage to work.
    (George B. Courtelyou)

    The only security is courage
    (Francois De La Rochefoucauld)

    Courage is what it takes
    to stand up and speak;
    courage is also what it takes
    to sit down and listen.
    (Winston S. Churchill)

  82. #82 by allout on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:27 pm

    YB Lim,

    So far the other party is tolerating and please don’t mistaken it as weaknesses, I believe they is always a limitation, if the provocation went overboard, they will roar back and its going to be ugly. We both went through that period before and I am not going through it again. Those kids in your blog know nothing about it, should not lead them to that direction. I hope your know what are you doing and the consequences.

  83. #83 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:31 pm

    So who is governing now?

    Najib is too messed up & smeared to the hilt. He looks like, smells like and sounds like the proverbial ‘lembu’ that’s caked with the stinking mud and bogged in the swamp of despondency & disgrace.

    Pak Lah – RPK says he is unconscious even though he is conscious. Looks like, sounds like… sure, he is unconscious. No one seems to doubt that anymore.

    With no one governing, might as well let Pakatan Rakyat take over. After 50 years of independence, it’s not a minute too soon!

  84. #84 by allout on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:32 pm

    mecahrojak,

    Demonstration can turn into rioting. Tell me are you a slave now.

  85. #85 by peterchiang on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:33 pm

    Is there a backup or risk mitigation plan to handle possible situation where moles planted in the crowd trigger untowards incident that will provide authority with excuses for troopers to move in and haul up targeted leaders?

    Does anyone see a need to uncover who has benefited from Bursa blackout of one full trading day? Is it not fishy that was caused by one hard disk failure?

  86. #86 by old dad on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:52 pm

    is this the MT site? http://malaysia-today.net/

    Darn slow but still readable

  87. #87 by ViktorJ on Saturday, 5 July 2008 - 11:57 pm

    allout,

    We would love to choose our Government with the ballot box, with Democracy. However, did you note the reaction when we wanted our elections to be fair during the Bersih campaign? We want our loudspeakers to speak the truth, not be used as a tool against us.

    What is the point of ‘democracy’ and ‘elections’ if the ruling parties cannot be bothered to make it fair and clean? Someone must have been taking lessons on how Mugabe runs elections, I think.

    As for Demonstrations being used, it is a tool, a form of communication for the people to be heard. How else can we be heard if the media is not free and the elections are not 100% fair?

    Speaking of Demonstrations, you say that it can lead to Rioting, yes? But violence is certainly not the only purpose for taking to the streets. A knife is a similar tool: it can be used for murder, as it can be used for cooking. Do you not keep a knife in the kitchen, allout? Perhaps knives should be banned too.

    peterchiang:

    About your first question, that would just be a ‘dirty tactic’ that sadly cannot be done much against apart from everyone (including the crowd) trying to subdue such a violent mole. The media can be used to exaggerate any incidence of violence for propaganda purposes anyhow, no matter how it is handled.

    About the Bursa incident, indeed some digging is in order. A large scale destabilization like that is not something to be ignored. Financial and political benefits can be gained from such an action, but I will refrain from guesses for now. The crash is suspicious, as backups for such important data exists. It should never ever have happened. A smaller institution like a bank can handle such a situation significantly better than that.

  88. #88 by yog7948 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:00 am

    Army not corrupt.. their minister or maybe the top brass are probable.. How can army be corrupt? they don’t go around asking people bribe.., they maybe “bad ass” people but certainly cant be corrupt.. Nobody wish to stay in the jungle (ops) for months leaving all the comfort of home for fun.

    They do have corrupted officers.. those dealing with contracts, that also with their minister’s concern of course. There are news before of army guys burning down police stations and kicking some bad ass. Down underestimate the Armed forces.. they will even kick their Generals butt if DYMM say so.. Nor BN or police can stop them.

  89. #89 by UzMiNoOnist on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:07 am

    If there is going to be another ops lallang, go hide faster. You cant trust these bunch of idiots would care about fairness, not even the US’s statement, less ASEANs’.
    Remember? they are the same gang who brought BURMA into ASEANs and we have witnessed what that regime has done to her own citizen.

    Go hide faster…

  90. #90 by yog7948 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:07 am

    Imagine if Malaysia-Today put some hit counter… it would be millions per day.. the hottest site forever.. thanks to BN for promoting it to the public. Hope sir RPK is fine.. is he going to attend tomorrows gathering? Hope he get all the protection.

  91. #91 by mecharojak on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:09 am

    allout,
    Demonstrations can also turn out peaceful.
    Freedom is not free, people have to fight for it, may even cost lives.

    Slavery of the mind, is what i meant. Always afraid of challenging authority. Don’t speak up when the authority bully you with unjust taxes and intimidation.

  92. #92 by Synthia on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:15 am

    Demonstration is to let the government know that we, the people of Malaysia, are no longer blind and a doormat to them. I don’t understand why many see a peaceful demonstration as something downright wrong. Is this not a democratic country? We are not condoning bloodshed through the protest. We are merely VOICING out our disapproval, a wake-up call for the government.

    In all honesty, I was and perhaps, still am, cynical over this whole episode. After meeting people who stubbornly share the “let’s all vote for BN, otherwise a May 13 will happen again” mentality, and the many cover-ups and turning a blind eye, one certainly can feel hopeless for the country. So many people living in fear and denial, it just bloody disgusts me. But now, what with the changes that has happened, and more people finally taking a stand, I am starting to feel a little more hopeful.

    Fight for your rights people. Believe in the principles of righteousness and justice. I for one, will not ever bow down to the corrupt government.

  93. #93 by allout on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:24 am

    Mecharojak,

    I agree with you that demonstrations can also turn out peaceful, but the risk are high that it will turn ugly.

    I understand your aspiration to change the government, but it have to go through the ballot box.

  94. #94 by Bobster on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:33 am

    Most of us are sick and tired of this BN government, leant nothing and heard nothing from 8 March 2008 political tsunami.

    9MP is the latest evidence that this BN government has lost all respect and hope from the Rakyat. Future planning and expenses of the country merely based on political reason. Nothing but empty talks on soon to be ‘white elephants’ aka corridor projects. What for at this junction when the global crisis is looming, commodities pricing escalating the government decides to spend billions of taxpayers’ money on corridors after corridors when what needed is merely improve on government policies to cut red tapes and improve on delivery system so that more foreign investors will be attacted to our country. What for spending billions on white elephants when major hinderances to foreign investors are the government red tapes and racist policies.

    Instead of capitalising on our human resources, improving our public transport system so that the working class people (work horses that contribute to the nation growth) can spend less time travelling and be more productive to make the country competitive compare to our neighbours, the government chose to ignore our contribution and allocated mere $1.6 billion out of the $250 billions on improving public transport system. Where is the logic of shelving Penang Monorail while all talks and promises started since 2006? KL folks who are major work horses for the country are suffering daily due to poor public transport system and raising fuel price. Where is the federal government effort to help the Rakyat? Ya, you bunch of policy makers travelling with police escorts, drivers and petrol paid by the Raykat. Have you guys tried the public transport or drive your own without escorts?!

    I be going for the rally today. Not so much to protest on raising fuel price, but protest on the idiotic policies and expenditure that causes the Rakyat to suffer more!

    Where our taxpayers’ money gone really? Where is the profit from the oil rich company Petronas?!

    Every Rakyat has the right to know where our money gone!

  95. #95 by yog7948 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:33 am

    We have actually experienced in recent months a dramatic demonstration of an unprecedented intelligence failure, perhaps the most significant intelligence failure in the history of Malaysia.

    What the point of having 1st class infrastructure when the government is lead by pea brain ministers. All they can do is deny. Just if they dare to deprave us with intimidation, they will see hell first hand.

  96. #96 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:37 am

    “A military General has come out to ” rebuke ” the claim of military reports of both DTK Anwar and RPK either to squash the so called ” rumuors ” or under directive from some higher authority” kenyalan08

    Only a self-confessed nincompoop would deny the possibility of a role for the military in times of public unrest.

  97. #97 by sjchange on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:39 am

    You can’t fly a kite
    unless you go against the wind
    and have a weight
    to keep it from turning somersault.

    William J.H. Boetcker

  98. #98 by kun9999 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:46 am

    If you want to get the latest IP for http://www.malaysia-today.net do the following (Windows XP)

    1. Click Start -> Click run
    2. Keyin CMD in run dialog and click OK (this will bring up MS-DOS).
    3. Keyin ping http://www.malaysia-today.net in MS-DOS
    4. You should be able to see the IP for http://www.malaysia-today.net example. 202.75.62.194

    Below link is an graphic of how u can ping the website to get the IP.
    http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3018/malaysiatodaynetal5.jpg

  99. #99 by edgoh on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:49 am

    Previously the Prime Minister mentioned August fuel price increase. But was increased in June. Then he said public transport will not increase price. Let us now see whether Rapid KL will increase fare or remain as what the PM has said.

  100. #100 by milduser on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:59 am

    History will repeat itself, an axiom. Proven once- sodomy charge. Proven twice – Op Lalang. More likely after the mass rally. Just see. Conclusion: Police State, then emergency rule – Come full circle.

  101. #101 by pjboy on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 1:27 am

    1st: how can we trust someone who constantly lie. 2nd: for someone who managed to fool TDM to hand over the no.1 seat, is not all totally dumb. There’s a saying: the most dangerous person is the one who is silent.

    All the events that took place since has been too coincidental. There’s something up in BN-Umno’s sleeve. They will not concede defeat no matter the cost; even at the cost of the country.

    As BN-Umno leaders always preached, “party comes first”…not the country or it’s rakyat. Too many worms sealed in cans that cannot fall into the hands of PR. That’s the evidence that will lead to the destruction of BN-Umno.

    That’s also probably why TDM resigned & asked others to follow & not to join PR, but to remain as independent. This is so that PR don’t become the next ruling gov. TDM also has the same objective, do not allow PR to form the next gov. The excuse was to save BN-Umno, that’s not his priority. In fact it was to save himself & his gang of thieves who were robbed by the current ruling gov.

    What you do to others, others will do to you. This has been written over 2000 years ago. Yet, those who preach about how holy & God-fearing they are do not seem to know this commandment.

    At this stage, looks like BN-Umno is like the wounded tiger when cornered. This is my theory.

  102. #102 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 2:24 am

    It is strange for the chief of police the IGP to be heard making a statement like the Army could be called in to enforce public order. Isn’t that role left to the police? Is he saying that he could not rely on his officers to do the job. Why does he think they could not be depended upon?

    With that statement the IGP could be seen as usurping the role of the head of the executive branch who is the country’s Commander-in-Chief. What is our PM doing??

  103. #103 by clear conscience on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 4:37 am

    To all young Malaysian who may not have that liberty to knwo what happened to DSAI in 1998, please view this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFejBNMcvJ8

  104. #104 by clear conscience on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 4:41 am

    To all Malaysians,

    This is worth looking into which I had posted on http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/07/anwar.html#comments

    ______________________________________________________

    I am apolitical which I must first of all say it clear here.

    It appears Malaysia is facing the “calm” before the storm. Even the “calm” has been boiling beyond the usual temperature.

    Lots of accusation here and there; merely due to greed in all those involved in bringing Malaysia into such a storm; including present and past leaders from whichever camp or side. Differing ideologies in politics is a prerogative of each politician but no matter what, when one enters politics, one must uphold certain ethics as expected of him/her but be guided by the principles of the rule of “law”. “Rule of law”, here by my perception, must be within the words of God; irrespective of whatever religion he/she may believe in.

    In all respects, why are we so subjected to the uncalled for upheavals, one after another and further aggravated by those in power presently or in the past? I believe most centric and God fearing Malaysians would see this call from God via his WORDS but there are still many Malaysian; whatever their position and status may be, the basic principles underlying our believe in God’s words must be the undeniable guidance in carrying out our lives. Live meaningfully here, all Malaysians. Live by the words of our professed religion and uphold all such tenets of the religious confessions (confessions here, I mean when each decided to believe in any of his religion, he would have confessed in doing so; otherwise leave the religion!).

    If we don’t, await judgment in facing HIM for whatever “deeds” we conduct here on earth. Remember, we get what we do. By “do”, here I specifically remind all Malaysians that it includes accusations, fitnah, oppression, not helping the needy, etc etc other than what is “called” for by God. That includes Malaysian people by the large who follow blindly; believing their “leaders”; irrespective whether their leaders are right or wrong. We have to use our judgment; one which cannot be usurp by anyone; either through words or persuasion.

    Should anyone be misleading or allow himself/herself of being misled, he/she is equally guilty of God’s words.

    Common on, all Malaysians. Do not bring in the circus of all great times. We are now faced with so many problems and we will not be spared of the global crisis. Let’s stand firm, have a “tulang belakang”, be counted as a vertebrae being to judge for ourselves all those broils that surround us in Malaysia. Look forward, let bygones be bygones and move forward. We must not be blind in our vision and let’s not forget God gave us a great brain!!!

  105. #105 by isahbiazhar on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 4:56 am

    Whether operasi lalang or grass, this is the only way to strengthen the police and the army.The government has no way out.It is beyond their control.To rule the country, all opposition leaders including Hindraf will be put behind bars.The government will hold an election while all the opposition will be deemed unfit to stand in an election.Umno and BN will win and the country will be back where Mahathir wants;Malay supremacy and Tuanism.Chinese and Indian Tuanism will be in China and India.This is Malaysia and the Tuanism will be the Malays.Those who want to change can go back to the country of origin.This will be the talk everywhere.Unless America, China and India come in we will see the repeat .There never be any other political party other than Umno and Barisan!

  106. #106 by Kathy on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 6:50 am

    mecharojak Says:

    Today at 00: 09.25 (6 hours ago)
    allout,
    Demonstrations can also turn out peaceful.
    Freedom is not free, people have to fight for it, may even cost lives.

    Slavery of the mind, is what i meant. Always afraid of challenging authority. Don’t speak up when the authority bully you with unjust taxes and intimidation.

    allout Says:

    Today at 00: 24.05 (6 hours ago)
    Mecharojak,

    I agree with you that demonstrations can also turn out peaceful, but the risk are high that it will turn ugly.

    I understand your aspiration to change the government, but it have to go through the ballot box.

    Mecharojak, I do agree that it is all about the mental slavery that many Malaysians are caught in and not the physical kind. We need to learn to stand up to ask questions that affect us. Don’t just sit there and do nothing.

    And to Allout, it takes more than the ballot box to make changes for the betterment of the nation. Though I personally agree that demostration may lead to an undesirable situation, but it may also be just a peaceful show of support by fellow Malaysians on matters that are concern to all.

    It would be better for us to spend more time praying to GOD (in all our respective religions for guidance in this matter).

  107. #107 by bolehlandor on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 7:24 am

    Being peace loving folks what do u do when your very being is threatened? Not only that but other beings in bolehland suffer the same malady posed deliberately by the gomen? U do not keep quiet and suffer the fear & wait for the threat to materialise! U must act decisively in the best way possible to safeguard all that is precious including personal liberty BUT NOT capitulate to the evil gomen. That unfortunately is the plight of poor beings in bolehland nowadays – every minute of every day no thanks to the boys on fourth floor!!!

  108. #108 by allout on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 9:09 am

    kathy,

    you are right, this morning I have already went to the temple to pray for peace.

  109. #109 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 9:26 am

    Don’t forget to pray for all nincompoops in this world so they may see the light!

  110. #110 by rainbowseahorse on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 10:17 am

    Looks like beginning of mass panic in Malaysia!

    Ok, here’s not a too far fetch scenario of Malaysia future which I wrote in another thread.

    The military takes over West Malaysia and cutting loose the States of Sabah & Sarawak (due to insufficient military manpower).

    The Southern Philippines Moro immediately take advantage of the situation and swarm Sabah with even more of their people with the large numbers who are already there, and declared a Moro Independent State.

    Sarawak, dominated by super rich & powerful Chinese businessmen, also seized the opportunity to declares her independence and might even linked up with Singapore for protection (who is backed by the Americans).

    So there! Everybody gets what they want… and even the ex-Malaysians, because by then they would be referred to as “Ex-Malaysian” and no more Bumiputras and Non-Bumiputras!

  111. #111 by Damar Noor Hop Liew on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 12:40 pm

    As a PM sure will say like thatlah, “I don’t think anybody should be worry. There are too many rumours.” Hey, dont treat us — Malaysian like blind & deaf lah, we know wat is going on lah.Rememberlah, no wind, no wave.
    Actually wat use of ISA ? Forgive me these poor knowledge guy. Is it ISA stands for a authority will perform to safe our PM when he is threatenned by something?? So, the ISA is the short form of I Save Abdullah ?? Really sorry ha, if i really in mistake and please correct me if i am wrong….

  112. #112 by riversandlakes on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 1:58 pm

    The gov was stable – maybe he meant back in TDM days.

  113. #113 by limkamput on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 3:49 pm

    undergrad2 says: “It is strange for the chief of police the IGP to be heard making a statement like the Army could be called in to enforce public order. With that statement the IGP could be seen as usurping the role of the head of the executive branch who is the country’s Commander-in-Chief. What is our PM doing??”

    What is so strange about the statement unless one is a mega nincompoop? If one could not see the collusion and conspiracy that are going on, that person should rightly be termed mega nincompoop. He/she should not to be here. He/she should quietly enjoy his/her afternoon tea in Central Park. Good for nothing best of both worlds hypocrite.

  114. #114 by Damocles on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 3:58 pm

    “So why the urgent need for the PR’s de facto head to generate the ‘reformasi’ wave via rallies and demonstrations to precipitate direct confrontation against the government and keepers of law and order giving the warlords on the other side all the requisite excuse and pretext to launch a crack down and even emergency rule to preserve their positions under the name of law & order?” – Jeffrey

    So, Jeffrey, what do you suggest?
    Every time the BN (UMNO) government did something outrageous, we all keep quiet?
    Everything is fair in war and politics and if you have an advantage, you’ll use it to the hilt!
    I think that this government has every intention of holding on to power come what may and even if you keep as quiet as a mouse, it matters not!
    Also, by keeping quiet, Malaysians may have the impression that the government is right. When it is not!

  115. #115 by Damocles on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 4:17 pm

    “Fight for your rights people. Believe in the principles of righteousness and justice. I for one, will not ever bow down to the corrupt government.” – Synthia

    How right, Synthia
    We have been held to ransom by the spectre of May 13 for far, far too long.
    A government that holds its people to such threats is not fit to govern!

  116. #116 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 6:45 pm

    Looks like Kathy is all worked up….lol

  117. #117 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 7:03 pm

    Kathy,

    The chief of police of any country and not just Malaysia has no business talking on behalf of the chief of the armed forces. The chief of all the armed forces is exactly that and he is not the country’s IGP. This IGP apparently felt the need to somehow act as spokesman for his civilian boss when he said that is the only reasonable explanation for the misstep.

    Looks like the resident nicompoop did it again! Only a nincompoop would call his blog: ‘limkamput-nincompoop.blogspot.com’ …..lol. So let’s not get confused who the self-confessed nincompoop is.

  118. #118 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 8:48 pm

    …especially with this one who worked loyally with the corrupt BN run government for three decades and has been given the title PPN for his long and mediocre service, and now has an axe to grind, also one who has serious identity issues to solve.

  119. #119 by limkamput on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 9:25 pm

    A self confessed nincompoop is a humble nincompoop, a nincompoop who knows his own shortcomings.

    A nincompoop who does not know he is one is a mega nincompoop – a nincompoop who is arrogant and self conceited. A self conceited nincompoop is one who always wants to enjoy the best of both worlds – someone who leverages on some stupid international organisation to enjoy good life at the expense of poor countries’ contributions. Someone who once got some stupid qualification and now continued to collect economic rent. In case you are stupid enough to know, I am talking about you, undergrad2 aka best of both worlds.

  120. #120 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 6 July 2008 - 10:25 pm

    Oooops!! Kathy is all worked up again…lol

  121. #121 by kingkenny on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 12:34 am

    Tulip Crescent,

    one institution we can rely on? hmmm…..

    I am pro-revolution and pro-evolution (I believe in G-d, by the way)…well, that says it all! :)

    Yeah, I mostly agree with bloggers here who are pro-change-for-a-better-Malaysia….the reason why you say this country is going down the abyss-of-no-return is because of this country’s pro-malay-bumiputra policies and the NEP.

    The NEP has somewhat created a chain-effect or “bad-vibes” in this country. Instead of joining the open market and “learn how to actively contribute and improve the country’s economy”, all bumiputras’ dream were to work in government departments and earn a meager income.

    Non-bumis do business will go to them to apply the relevant licenses, after paying RM5000, license finally approved after 2 months (sometimes longer) – but in truth, the license only cost the citizen RM25 and takes only maximum 1 week to process up to approval. How many civil staffs do we currently employ? Anybody got the stats?

    One thing led to another, and after 50 years of false ideology and poisonous indoctrination, before you and I knew, we have already descended 3/4 down the abyss.

    What racist Tun Mamak said to Toll Veloo (and the whole nation) in the press reflects this ideology, ‘non-Bumi have to be grateful for being granted citizenship and must not question malay rights’. And it is well known that the prowess Chinese people show in commerce and economics are considered “stealing their natural resources” by malay bumiputras. Thus the notion that they are being bullied in their own country, and thus the need to implement NEP and its associated “affirmative actions”!

    So, these things go on and on and on and to a point of no return – just like a cult movement – if the mind “feeds” on falsely satisfying ideologies for such a long time – we can be sure to touch the abyss floor sooner rather than later.

    So, we must NOT blame some bloggers here who advises Malaysians to migrate (including myself) for a better future (for the children first and foremost), because if I were to adhere or adapt myself to suit “ketuanan melayu ideologies”, I might as well adapt myself to “Ketuanan Orang Putih” as I must NOT bring myself 50 years backward while the world is “evolving”.

    After all the drama in the past few months, the press are now trying to play down all the issues brought up by various parties. Bloggers coming out crying they are fed-up of all the issues and advice people to cool down and go get a life.

    To be honest, I think it is quite expected by many, many Malaysians. I just hope pressure from the bloggers in Malaysian politics will not wane in whatever circumstances. Just continue to write and say what we feel about this country, and it doesn’t matter what we don’t know or know about the truth.

    If we feel good and have a better quality and standard of living in OUR country, then I don’t see the people would even think of writing anything bad in the blogosphere.

    We should really adopt change that is for the better, not worse! Open dialogs between community leaders and/or between political parties must happen freely, only then we can see a true Malaysian culture blossoming and the interests of all are protected.

    If our way is not working, then we must copy and IMPROVISE, Switzerland is an example of good governance. Don’t just copy, we must expect that not all are perfect, improvisation must be done to suit our multiracial country.

    What is keeping Malaysians out of the streets and violence is ISA and media technologies!

    What if the next government really abolished ISA?

    All hell will break loose even from a trivial disagreement! Because dialogs just do not exist before between all races. Before ISA is abolished, changes must happen first, and the first is to throw out UMNO/BN led government!

    If UMNO/BN is still governing this country after March 8 tsunami, RPK SD, Bala SD, PKFZ, Toll, BMC, Space Travel, PM’s private jet, Lingam, Tuan Ian Chin’s revelations and etc. and etc. and etc., we’d better migrate!

    At the end of it all, what matters most is the welfare and life of a human being, and to greedy people in this world, a human life is worth less than a dollar bill!

    So, there MUST be an afterlife, these people will not get away lightly. And it is even heavier the punishment for those who preached it but do otherwise! :)

    Good luck Malaysia and Malaysians!

  122. #122 by kingkenny on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 12:44 am

    So, Jeffrey, what do you suggest?
    Every time the BN (UMNO) government did something outrageous, we all keep quiet?
    Everything is fair in war and politics and if you have an advantage, you’ll use it to the hilt!
    I think that this government has every intention of holding on to power come what may and even if you keep as quiet as a mouse, it matters not!
    Also, by keeping quiet, Malaysians may have the impression that the government is right. When it is not! – Damocles

    =================================================

    Bingo Man! Damocles!

    I have been trying to say exactly the same thing to this guy from “afar” here, but somehow, you make it sound just right!

    Thanks man!

    I think he’s into a lot of novels! :)

  123. #123 by kingkenny on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 12:54 am

    By the way Tulip Crescent,

    I wore blue to Kelana Jaya, offline, did not saw your reply! :)

  124. #124 by Jeffrey on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 8:03 am

    ///Every time the BN (UMNO) government did something outrageous, we all keep quiet?
    Everything is fair in war and politics and if you have an advantage, you’ll use it to the hilt!///

    In the first place I have not advocated that “every time the BN (UMNO) government did something outrageous, we all keep quiet”.

    In the second, even if I agree that “everything is fair in war and politics and if you have an advantage, you’ll use it to the hilt” the question is, when it comes to demonstrations or confrontation on the streets against the government, which is what I was talking about, what advantage do you think you or we have????

  125. #125 by Jeffrey on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 8:53 am

    To be more precise what exactly are the advantages that you think the opposition supporters have in terms of a standoff with police/riot police/army, I should like to know since there’s so much of bravado talk here!

  126. #126 by rainbowseahorse on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 9:30 am

    As I wrote in another thread, for someone who managed to look, sound, and act stupid to fool the almighty Tun M into believing he is harmless and can be controlled, that Badawi surely deserves a salute. Such a man must be watch very carefully as he is indeed the ’still water runs deep’ type of guy. We all underestimated that cunny fox!
    My vote now is that he would still be in power for some time to come and it’s going to take more than mere good speeches and SD with counter SD to remove that Badawi.

  127. #127 by kenghuei on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 2:25 pm

    I think this is clearly what BN is doing to prepare for possible “emergencies”. No matter how and what they may deny, telling us the country is stable now..any sane government would take necessary precautions and preparation judging from current political situation which is getting more and more tense and exciting each day.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, the role of the army (under the ultimate command of Agong) is to maintain peace in the country – land, air and sea and to prepare for any eventual war / major disorder. While the Police oversees day-to-day public safety, security and welfare. And in the event of serious issues in the nation (riots, curfew and fall of a govnerment etc), the Agong would have the final authority to mobilise the army to defend the nation but not the Police.

    So by tying up the Police and the Army now, I am not sure if it means the Army would be under the Police command too..and I am not sure if this is a strategy to more effectively crack down on Opposition / peaceful protests, but one thing for sure, it is an indication of some instability in our country, moved by fear and precaution by our government leaders…

  128. #128 by lakilompat on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 3:05 pm

    “Act dumb is the strength of PL”

    The people are suffering, they don’t care, he did made an announcement that he can’t satisfy everyone, mean either his cronies get the cakes or the general people.

  129. #129 by kingkenny on Monday, 7 July 2008 - 10:47 pm

    To be more precise what exactly are the advantages that you think the opposition supporters have in terms of a standoff with police/riot police/army, I should like to know since there’s so much of bravado talk here! – Jeffrey

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    Then what are the advantages of the doing the opposite?!?

    As long as the action taken begets the right result, there is no harm doing it. Malaysians are peace loving people, we won’t go to the path of taking up arms and start shooting everyone like some countries who did!

    Those who took to the streets are only a very small percentage of the people. What we must have is continued pressure to push for reform and that is including writing, saying, cursing in the blogs or anywhere else! The government used those puppets media to play with our minds, it is also fair we give them a piece of our mind too, don’t get upset, cause the truth hurts!

    Paper will never be able to wrap fire, sooner or later, if our cries for change went unheeded continuously for a long time and the people here are missing out from global changes, we might be able to see a full fledge street demo!

    So, are we going to wait for that to happen?!

    Bravado talk is for the bold & courageous!

  130. #130 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 8 July 2008 - 5:09 am

    Huh, can question of what specific advantage there is to engage in a standoff with police/riot police/army be satisfactorily answered by another question of what are the advantages of the doing the opposite???

    Well at least one advantage, no another immediate Operation Lallang raised in this thread which does nobody any good. What the bloggers are doing here and elsewhere in engaging the powers that be and exposing wrong doings, for example, do have a part to play on March 8th. Look at what Kit has been doing all these years.

    One engages and contests where one has relative strength and not in an area like street confrontations against uniformed personel with arms and law in their favour where one does not have that comparative advantage.

    Bravado talk is for the bold & courageous? Or the foolish when it is bravado without substance and sense to back or heedless of the consequences, getting no results in the end?

    No point of talking as if one were a Che Guevera when the call for 1 million yields only 10 to 20,000 many of whom were women and children. At least they don’t get bashed by demonstrating to police/army outside. The Sunday rock concert was ok with added excitement of throwing projectiles (water bottles and stones) on the rocker who showed his butt!

  131. #131 by pjboy on Tuesday, 8 July 2008 - 10:26 am

    Mark today’s statement on The Star front page: Lies akin to treachery. It seems we may have a schizo PM. Who was the one lying to us all the while since 2004?

    Make sure it is in the DAP archive.

  132. #132 by lun boleh on Tuesday, 8 July 2008 - 11:04 am

    Look who is talking about RUKUNNEGARA BODOHWI .

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