Question on Ketuanan/Kedaulatan Melayu

(On Wednesday, I asked the Prime Minister what steps he had taken to promote the Bangsa Malaysia objective of Vision 2020 in the face of worsening racial polarisation with greater communal clamour for “ketuanan Melayu” and “kedaulatan Melayu”.

Placed No. 29 out of 97 questions, it did not come up for answer on the floor of the House in the 90-minute Question Time.

The following is the written answer from the Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz which completely avoided the question by not touching on the rising crescendo in the assertion for “ketuanan Melayu” and “kedaulatan Melayu”:)

Tuan Lim Kit Siang minta Perdana Menteri menyatakan langkah-langkah yang beliau ambil untuk memupuk objektif Bangsa Malaysia sejajar dengan Wawasan 2020 memandangkan masalah polarisasi kaum kini semakin memburuk berikutan dengan bunyi riuh komunal mengenai “ketuanan Melayu” atau “kedaulatan Melayu”.

Jawapan: Sepertimana Ahli Yang Berhormat sedia maklum, perpaduan dan integrasi nasional sememangnya merupakan salah satu aspirasi utama Kerajaan. Kita percaya bahawa sebuah negara bangsa yang utuh hanya akan dapat lahir hasil daripada perpaduan yang teguh dan mantap.

Bagaimanapun, negara yang aman dan makmur tidak mungkin lahir dengan sendirinya. Atas kesedaran inilah maka Kerajaan senantiasa berusaha untuk memastikan agar pembangunan ekonomi negara terus berlangsung dengan pesat, di samping memastikan agar tiada mana-mana golongan yang merasakan mereka ketinggalan dalam arus perdana pembangunan negara.

Di samping memastikan kesaksamaan dan keadilan ekonomi di kalangan rakyat, Kerajaan juga turut berusaha untuk memupuk semangat kekitaan melalui system pendidikan, program-program perpaduan negara, program latihan Khidmat Negara dan pelbagai inisiatif lain.

Sesungguhnya Kerajaan percaya bahawa kita akan mampu membina sebuah negara yang aman, makmur dan bersatu padu sekiranya semua pihak dapat sama-sama berusaha untuk membina semangat perpaduan yang jitu dan kental.

Di samping itu, saya juga ingin mengingatkan semua pihak bahawa retorik yang bersifat perkauman – yang berpunca dari mana-mana kaum sekalipun – akan hanya menimbulkan suasana tegang di kalangan rakyat, yang pastinya akan membantutkan usaha ke arah mencapai matlamat perpaduan nasional. Saya percaya bahawa keadaan antara kaum tidaklah begitu buruk sebagimana yang didakwa oleh YB Ipoh Timur. Namun demikian, kita harus senantiasa berwaspada agar keadaan aman dan makmur yang sedia ada ini tidak akan diganggu gugat oleh mana-mana tindakan yang akan membawa kepada perpecahan dan perselisihan faham di kalangan rakyat.

  1. #1 by taiking on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 1:18 pm

    The Hon PM was of the view that the racial situation in the country is not as bad as what LKS claimed it is.

    Actually, it is bad. But not as bad. Is that what he is saying?

  2. #2 by mw88 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 1:40 pm

    One word: rhetorics.

  3. #3 by on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 1:42 pm

    It’s obvious BN government is still in denial mode.

    Judging from the vague and diversive answer, BN government clearly wants to be able to continue and quite possibly intensify their rhetorics on Ketuanan Melayu in the coming future to gather further political support.

  4. #4 by bystander on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 1:46 pm

    No need to ask these bunchof morons. They will not say anything and will deny everything. EPU still says bumi equity is only 19.4% after all the evidence given by professor Lim. Not only they have not substantiate how they arrive 18.9% they still maintain its correct without having to substantiate. these BN/UMNOputras are a bunch of racist morons out to marginalise nonmalays. ketuanan or malay colour/race to them is supreme, you can ask/say what you like.

  5. #5 by cheng on soo on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 1:51 pm

    How many govt of any countries in this modern world stress the supremcy (or ketuanan) of any specific race.?
    None? except one (U know which one?) !

  6. #6 by sheriff singh on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 2:22 pm

    The usual bulls..t answer. Nothing new, just bulls..t.

    Its been quite a while but they still cannot reveal to all and sundry their METHODOLOGY in arriving at 19.4% or 18.4% Bumiputra equity stake. We are just to accept all the mumbo-jumbo that is told to us.

    Question remains: Why are the Bumiputra still lacking behind? Are they still not trying to catch up? But if you include the wealth of Malaysia’s richest man, Daim Zainuddin, who has stashed his billions overseas, and alot of others, then the figures might be very different.

  7. #7 by bystander on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 2:55 pm

    Say no more.
    Professor Lim is correct. Govt is wrong
    RPK is correct, Govt is wrong. But then what is new but a bunch of UMNO racists.

  8. #8 by yhsiew on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 2:56 pm

    “ketuanan Melayu” and “kedaulatan Melayu” are the secret agenda of UMNO.

    UMNO is a party which is lack of transparency.

  9. #9 by darcwil on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 3:19 pm

    “Hmm… Go read back on Malaysia’s history people.” I think that would be their answer.

    But where I live, I really do agree the state of “racial hatred?” not at all prominent. I mean, the leaders can bicker and say it is a big issue (and by actually saying so, it IS putiing in the people’s minds that there IS inded hatred happening). But we the rakyat can really change our mindset, our everyday living, our perceptions. It is all in the head. WHo says racial unity is a far cry? And we dont need the leaders to tell us to live in harmony, there ARE people who ARE living in harmany regardless of race in Malaysia.

  10. #10 by baoqingtian on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 3:27 pm

    He defenitely has not answered the question. Just beating around the bush to avoid the main issue. The measures mentioned by Nazri to promote racial intergration are just general measures which have failed. What LKS wants is decisive and specific measures!

  11. #11 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 4:52 pm

    Nazri’s typical answer. Don’t raise the issue. If you raise it, you are asking for trouble. However, UMNO can raise it in whichever manner they want. Come December, UMNO will exploit this Ketuanan to the hilt, and guess who will pour fuel to fire ? Racists like the idiot from Melaka.

    These are the people who have friends in high places such as the AG’s Chambers and the PDRM, so no chance of imposing anti-sedition laws on them.

  12. #12 by bystander on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 5:07 pm

    sad to say but there is 1 set of laws for nonmalays and 1 set for umno malays and 1 set for normal malays

  13. #13 by limkamput on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 5:16 pm

    Perpaduan dan integrasi nasional sememangnya adalah salah satu daripada aspirasi negara. Ingin saya tanya YB Menteri: diatas landasan apakah perpaduan and integrasi ini perlu diasaskan? Mengikut fikiran and pandangan yang sempit yang bercorak keagongan budaya, fikiran and ugama orang-orang Melayu atau pun berasaskan budaya yang lebih liberal dan berbilang kaum. Ini lah soalan pokok perlu dijawab. Buat apa cerita sini sana tanpa menyentuh perkara pokok. Kalau masuk exam, jawapan macam ini hanya boleh dapat lulus sahaja.

  14. #14 by lakilompat on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 5:19 pm

    The recent requirement is absurd, the BN goons asking all the companies to submit & reveal the race strata of the companies.

    So, they are planning to do what with all these race info?

  15. #15 by cheng on soo on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 5:19 pm

    Will the country go the “Zim. way”, using “Black Zimbabwean interest” as smokescreen to cover up the extreme corruptions, incompetency of the Mugabe govt.
    See what happened in Zimbabwe?? Do msian want to continue to support this govt till the country become Zim. of Asia.

  16. #16 by boh-liao on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 5:56 pm

    Well, even our ex-Umno guy MM just recently reminded everyone to stick to the Merdeka contract (God knows for how many years? Eternal?) and to honor and accept ketuanan Melayu.

    That’s why the calculative MM is smart. He engineered and evolved himself from one subservient ethnic group to the dominant master ethnic group. When you can’t beat the system, join the system. Senang saja!

  17. #17 by bystander on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:03 pm

    racial strata for racial profiling and how to marginalise the nonmalays. how to give the high salary and cushy jobs to the malays la. what else for? other countries in the world have no such requirements.

  18. #18 by i_love_malaysia on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:11 pm

    The UMNO elites are still using the race card to continue to hold on to power to enrich themselves in the name of helping their race to be the Supreme Race in Malaysia and on earth.
    They may claim that they are humble people, but which race on earth will claim that how could it be that there wont be any Malay on this earth??? if you go deeper into this question, it is actually very arrogant!!! The biggest race on earth also dare not ask this question as it is arrogant to the highest order or to the core!!!
    My answer to this question is that why not??? if only certain virus will attack only certain race without cure, that particular race will be wiped out in no time!!! So be humble before God & dont discriminate other races in this world who are created by God!!!

  19. #19 by ktteokt on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:16 pm

    Should the non-Malays start something call “Kehambaan Bukan Melayu” then?

  20. #20 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:17 pm

    Yes, we are getting closer to Zimbabwe, but first we will catch up with the Philippines.

    NEP, as defined by UMNO, will last until 2050. APs will continue to be given to UMNOputras until 2020. There will be no transparent tender exercises for government contracts until 2050.

    When we become a net importer of oil in 2012/2013, the stealing will intensify because Petronas won’t be able to give the dividends that it has historically been able to give. Then we have to export our womenfolk to places like Hong Kong, Shanghai and Singapore to work as maids as they can make more there than back home. Domestically, UMNO will intensify their links with the Armed Forces and with PDRM to continue their blatant thefts. Sounds like the Philippines, right ?

  21. #21 by ktteokt on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:17 pm

    If it wasn’t due to all the compromise by MCA, UMNO would not have become so strong as to demand “Ketuanan Melayu”!!!!! Thanks to the running dog!

  22. #22 by i_love_malaysia on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:19 pm

    The poor, hungry and homeless etc should be helped irregardless of race or religion!!! Let the capable to excel and to make our country a better place for you and me!!! the rich should help the poor by direct or indirect ways!!!

  23. #23 by badak on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:24 pm

    Without fighting for ketuanan and kedaulatan Melayu.UMNO is no more relervent in Malaysian politics.What else is there for UMNO.Fighting for corruption …I have never seen or heard of any goverment that is so openly corrupted like our UMNO led BN goverment
    OK lah maybe the goverment of ZIMBABWE.

  24. #24 by bennylohstocks on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:48 pm

    plans not for everyone, have to wait…


  25. #25 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:51 pm

    A quick synopsis of the international “successes” of Ketuanan Melayu:

    1. Ranhill goes to Sudan and bids on a contract. It loses US$50 million.

    2. Peremba goes to Sudan and bids on a contract. It too loses US$50 million.

    3. Mechmar goes to Tanzania and builds a US$160 million power plant. Last I heard the deal is going through its second arbitration.

    4. Celcom goes to Tanzania and wins a mobile licence. It got terminated for non-performance and wrote off US$15 million.

    5. TNB goes to Pakistan and buys a power plant (Liberty) at inflated price, and now has a single digit return.

    6. TNB buys a coal mine, with the connivance of the then chairman (JJ) and some UMNOputras, and then writes off the investment of several hundred million US Dollars.

    7. On a much smaller scale, Badawi’s family opens a restaurant in Perth, and then it went out of business 6 months later.

    8. Recently, Maybank announced the purchase of a controlling stake in BII Indonesia at 4.6 times book, when even banks in Hong Kong are going for 3 times book.

    All these people must have learnt their ketuanan business skills from Bolehland. In Bolehland, all you need are connections so that if there is a problem, the government bails you out. If you get into a legal mess, the judiciary bails you out.

    Look at AirAsia today. It reports a profit when the profit actually comes from “disputing” and owing landing fees to MAHB since 2002. Look at NAZA – it still owes the Treasury hundreds of millions in unpaid import duties. Look at Perwaja and the hundreds of millions of unpaid power charges to TNB ? What ketuanan acumen can these people really boast of ?

  26. #26 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 6:56 pm

    If UMNOputras need money, just issue some more APs. Give some more concessions – and one day, there will be a concession to charge us for the air that we breathe.

  27. #27 by undergrad2 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 7:50 pm

    Kasim Amat is apparently busy answering questions in Bkt. Aman to be able to respond to allegations and answer questions from the floor.

  28. #28 by k1980 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 7:52 pm

  29. #29 by undergrad2 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 7:59 pm

    Kasim Amat and this other nincompoop should answer questions from the floor regarding the issue of “ketuanan Melayu” because they are the true beneficiaries of the racist policy which has its roots from it.

    Interestingly enough, a poster on this blog drew a parallel between these two personalities earlier which I would like to share with readers:

    “I think Limkamput is another joker like Kasim Amat who love to write rubbish, non facts and non figures supporting statements but criticising other writers and bloggers here. What a shame to both Limkamput and Kasim Amat? Your nickname “Limkamput” well means you are “Kamput/Koyak” type of person is indeed suitable to replace your surname. In the name of ALLAH, such person is useless grabbage scum or “sampah masyarakat”.

  30. #30 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 8:00 pm

    At this moment, Kasim and his buddies RealWorld and Killer are huddled in the house of Mike Tyson strategising on what bullsh!t they need to give to the rakyat. If they don’t have answers to the allegations, they will use the smoke-bomb by distracting and diverting attention.

  31. #31 by boh-liao on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 8:08 pm

    Ketuanan and kedaulatan Melayu means wasting or leaking more than RM320 billion since early 1980s, under the capable leadership and management of MM. Go and read a couple of letters in today’s Letters of Malaysiakini.

    Where has all the money gone? Certain privileged people are still greedy – they want more, more under the wonderful magical open sesame of NEP and Ketuanan/kedaulatan Melayu!

  32. #32 by Loh on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 9:08 pm

    It was 18.4% in December 2006 when the PM and his deputy promised to reveal EPU methodology. It is now 19.4% one and half year later. At this rate, by 2022 it would read 29.9%. It is not yet 30%and the methodology would still not be revealed.

  33. #33 by undergrad2 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 9:09 pm

    “At this moment, Kasim and his buddies RealWorld and Killer are huddled in the house of Mike Tyson …” Godfather

    I thought RealWorld and Killer are just alter egos of Kasim Amat. Just like konek and Kathy are alter egos??

  34. #34 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 9:31 pm

    Mike Tyson’s house in Kelana Jaya is full of mirrors.

  35. #35 by undergrad2 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 9:36 pm

    Mirror, mirror on the wall, who do we see today? Only their IP addresses will tell.

  36. #36 by Godfather on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 9:41 pm

    The mirrors are also meant for Badawi when he visits.

  37. #37 by cvl on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:12 pm

    YB LKS,

    Would you ask next opportunity our AAB his definition of: Urgent, Important, Routine, and Critical.

    AAB has to share his transparency with common Malaysians to see the way ahead.

  38. #38 by pwcheng on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:33 pm

    There will be no genuine racial unity as long as UMNO is in power. Evidences are apparent that they are doing everything to divide the races for reasons many of us knows. Mahathir until today is still doing it. There is only a veiled effort to hood wink the people that something is being done for racial unity like the the national service which is more in servicing somebody’s coffer.

  39. #39 by KennyGan on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:36 pm

    You want racial unity? Close down Umno, MCA, MIC and as a first step. Actually, it’s the only step we need to take.

    It’s the racial politics which create all the racial polarization. With each race fighting for its own rights and privileges, what do you expect?

    Closing down race based parties means everybody fights for issues, race. No more Ketuanan Melayu and kris waving. No more racial policies. The races will automatically integrate.

  40. #40 by dawsheng on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:38 pm

    Nazri is a kaki bodek. One day, when UMNO is no longer the government, he can always balik kampung, tanam jagung.

  41. #41 by kingkenny on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:44 pm




    BE IT SEPT16 OR PRU13!











  42. #42 by undergrad2 on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 10:54 pm

    “You want racial unity? Close down Umno, MCA, MIC and as a first step. Actually, it’s the only step we need to take.” KennyGan

    How do you go about ‘closing down’ political parties, associations and societies when Article 10 Malaysian Federal Constitution 1957, guarantees citizens freedom to form association?

    Deeming them a “security threat” would be the only way. Chances are they won’t deem themselves a security threat anytime soon!

  43. #43 by dr suresh kumar on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 11:17 pm

    What else to expect from a moron who called those thousands of Indians who gathered merely to raise the issue of thier legitimate rights as the citizens of the country,as `penyanggak’ or crooks.

    This moron doesn’t seem to understand the fact that,if the govt of the day had been fair to all Malaysians irregardless of race and religion,organizations like Hindraf wouldn’t have existed in the first place.

    Since the govt feels that the malays are still backward compare to the other races in Malaysia,even after enjoying all the priveleges which came along with the NEP for more than 3 decades,I suggest that the term ketuanan melayu’ be changed to ‘kelemahan melayu’.That will be an appropriate term now.

  44. #44 by cemerlang on Friday, 27 June 2008 - 11:27 pm

    The first person who started this Ketuanan Melayu thing should open his or her eyes wide enough to see just how great Melayu are. I agree with some of the comments here about some Melayu still lacking behind. They are still poor. They stll don’t have an education. If this Ketuanan Melayu thing is so great, then all the Melayu should be equally great and not just a certain quarter belonging to UMNO. This issue should be directed to the Melayu themselves and should be answered by the Melayu themselves. In that way, non Melayu will not be accused of being racist. Then are these unfortunate Melayu going to blame the non Melayu for the situation they are in ?

  45. #45 by 83gti on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 12:40 am

    maybe we should start from school. start a bangsa malaysia school. not chinese not indian not malay. one nation one school one vision not one nation different schools different propaganda

  46. #46 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 12:52 am

    Experts of “Ketuanan Melayu” cannot even agree among themselves who these “Melayus” are!

  47. #47 by AquariosMuar on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 1:22 am

    PM just know to say National Integration is important.He never take any action to prove it.So he just finding an excuse from being “shoot” in the parliament.The officer under him,can say the word,”Kalau tak suka ,keluar dari Malaysia,Ini Negara Islam”.This is the words that show that PM is not really want Intergration to be.Once intergration occur,races will combine and band any activity that harm to them without care about who is doing the bad job and what is his race.The people will just know how to unite without care about their races but to kick off the “rubbish” from dominate them.Besides that,we can see that PM does not care about his officer’s word which will harm other races.This show that he can’t train his fellow be more polite in the parliament.I think any non-native in Malaysia will say that is rude.Rude and shame to the country.Furthermore,for the statement PM said government always try to improve the economy of the people and nobody will be left out.But in daily we can see that there are many non-native been left out.For example,many big projects have been given to the big company of who the director is a native.We can’t know the detail why most of the project and Malaysia Plan are given to the native company but not non-native company.And the term and condition are not clearly stated.Last time,I saw an article from newspaper than I haven’t prove it reality,It is written there.If a lawyer company want to have cooperation with the National Bank,minimum shareholder of the native must be at least 40%.What the plan is this?This is how PM want to enhance the Integration of Nation
    ?By enforcement?Not that government said all Malaysian are treated equally?For that plan,that’s mean,if the Lawyer company now just having 20% of Native shareholder.And the highest directors is non-natives.That’s mean if this company want to cooperate with the bank,that company have to increase the native shareholders.That’s mean the authority of the highest director has been reduced…..

  48. #48 by m.hwang on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 1:28 am

    Whether or not our Malay brethens realise that they have been played out by UMNO all these years is a matter they have to resolve. As fellow Malaysians we should continue assisting the poor irregardless of skin colour.

    Should we intefere in the Ketuanan Melayu debate then we will only be used by UMNO to heighten the insecurities of our Malay brethens and use us as scapegoats for any failures. My advice is let us continue to assist those that need our help, but stand aside and let our Malay friends realise that all this propaganda by UMNO is only making a priviledged few richer but the majority poorer.

    We should all rise up to the occasion and take up the challenge to make this country a just and great one. Continue highligting corruption and abuse around us without directly questioning Malay rights. There are a thousand ways to win a chess game and our greatest challenge shall be to fight injustice without raising sensitive issues.

    Call me an idealist but in time our Malay brethens will realise that meritocracy is the best policy to eradicate poverty and make our Malaysia a great one. In the meantime let’s continue to guide and assist our Malay brethens in whatever way we can. After all, not only do we owe this much to our Malaysia, tanah tumpahnya darahku but we owe it to the future of our children. Otherwise this country is doomed to a path of perennial mediocrity.

  49. #49 by AquariosMuar on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 1:38 am

    Nowadays,the standard of living of Melayu are higher than our non-native.Please observe your surrounding who is one that living in a big house?Who is the one that driving a big car?You can observed that most the percentage of the Branded car owner is Melayu and the biggest house is Melayu Officer,and some other Melayu who having cooperation with the government.You can see that at some place of Malaysia,there is no Chinese hawker at the roadside.But there are Melayu hawkers at the road side.I heard my neighbour said last time,it is impossible for non-native to open food stall that just beside the road.The Majlis Perbandaran will come and break your stall.But the condition is different for MELAYU.They can have the stall beside the road.But the over things is.THE SO CALLED MAJLIS PERBANDARAN EVEN BUILD THE HOUSE FOR THEM TO CARRY OUR THEIR BUSINESS JUST BESIDE THE ROAD SIDE!!!AND TNB WILL COME AND SET UP THE ELECTRIC METER FOR THEM!!!THAT IS WHAT I SAW UNTIL NOW.NO CHINESE HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKE THIS.FOR CHINESE THERE ARE NO MAJLIS PERBANDARAN AND THERE WILL NOT HAVE TNB BUT THE ONLY THING HAVE FOR THEM IS EXCAVATOR!!!!!!!!! SO UNFAIR.If Melayu say.This is because they are native.But they are wrong!!!We pay the duty same amount as what Melayu did,we even pay more than them!!!And have you even seen that Government give money to build a temple,a church…???the answer is no.But Government receive the tax from different races.And they give it to Melayu to build their mosque!!!

  50. #50 by Bujang Zayn on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 8:12 am

    The Jab.Perpaduan (JPNIN) failed in their responsibilities to oversees and implementation of the national intergration policies.

    The Depatment demoted where once in the PM’ Depart and now with KEKWA renamed the Ministry as Unity ,Art and Culture .The Ministry is currently lead by a Sabahan MP Shafiee Afdal.

    80% of the Jab.Perpaduan (JPNIN) staff are unable to transform and what more to say to promote unity among a multiracial society like Malaysia. The established Kawasan Rukun Tetangga (KRT) almost all in the Malay Kampungs / Estates.Each KRT was allocated with a Goverment Grant RM4800.00 yearly. According to Dept the Jabatan had established 3500 KRTs through out the Nation with yearly allocation of not less RM Millions (3500 x RM4800.00).

    The main function for KRT Members are to built crowd for BN Minister’s Ceremonial functions. Majority are malays / Bumiputra (for Sabah/Sarawak).They will be fed with Nasi Bungkus and a bottle of mineral waters for one day function.Tpt will be provided.

  51. #51 by Godfather on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 8:26 am


    Can you ask Nazri and Sleepy Head for their reaction to this, since they say that Ketuanan Melayu is not a big issue ?

  52. #52 by wtf2 on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 9:13 am

    BN playing with labels and the grassroots’ inferiority complex

  53. #53 by lopez on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 10:50 am

    What is there to be ketuanan about?
    In these times of globalisation, ketuanan in what aspect?
    And dont they know , Even great races of the world that we learnt from history has becomes extinct, and those that manage to survive don’t brag about their ketuanan.
    So what aspect of ketuanan that much to brag about…lets check..

    Warmonger ? Wealthy ? Intelligence ? Business acumens ? Hardworking? Diligence ? Innovativeness ? Creativeness ? resourcefulness ? Sportsmenship ? Bravery ? Quantity ? Quality ? Friendliness ? Fairness ? Cruelty ? Envious ? Jealousy ? Irrelevant ? Bully ? New Discovery for mankind ? …blah blah….
    Using delaying tactics, acts of prevention, excuses on whatever grounds show unwillingness to accept reality.

    Self praising is trait of lame loser, self declaration is just narrowmindedness.
    Universal Laws ….action = reaction
    ……..Cause gives Effect

    Every aspire to be somebody great, but nobody wants aspire to be something that is un contemporary and backward.

    Need to use model for reference, look carefully yurself don’t be blinded by your own narrowmindness or your peers and your elected nkp.

  54. #54 by Godfather on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 11:02 am

    You guys still don’t get it. By shouting “Ketuanan Melayu”, the path is clear for promotion – whether you are a politician or a civil servant, or a student. The ladder to riches becomes available to those who shout. You could start at Putera UMNO, and then get elevated to UMNO Youth and then to mainstream UMNO. You will get your share of APs. You will get to control Mat Rempits in your area.

    In time, you will get to be a Chief Minister like Ali Rustam, or a minister like Kerismuddin or a divisional chief like Azeez Rahman. Who cares whether there is brain drain ? Those who leave are those who create trouble for UMNO anyway, so good riddance. They would rather control a population that is contented with living under the coconut tree, and not a population that starts to push for equality.

  55. #55 by bystander on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 11:35 am

    it is fact and there is a conspiracy by UMNOmalays to steal and marginalise all nonmalays. do we honestly believe that bumi equity is still only 19.4%? where is the methodology? this is a smokescreen to give the malays the licence to steal and marginalise the nonmalays. BEWARE OF THE RISE OF THE NAZI MALAYS.

  56. #56 by bystander on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 11:53 am

    The way and rate this country is going is heading down the abyss not dissimilar to Zimbabwe. MM/Umno are now behaving like Mugabe. sad but true

  57. #57 by cheng on soo on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 12:13 pm

    Will they also come out with “Kehambaan Bukan Melayu” or “Kepatekan Bukan Melayu” ???

  58. #58 by taiking on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 12:31 pm

    Ketuanan Melayu is a serious issue. There are 20+ million of us malaysians of which 13 million are malays. A big number? Actually no. For it means, on the face of this earth, there are only 13 million malaysian malays. What a tiny drop indeed!

    Being small in number and hence weak in its ability to fight for survival as a race, the malaysian malays will simply be swamped by other races with larger numbers. And, if they do not take active steps to preserve themselves, the malaysian malay race would become extinct as a consequence of being absorbed by some stronger (in terms of numbers) races. The self-preservation steps can only delay the process somewhat but can not stop it.

    To my mind, the absorption process will take place in two distinct phases. First, the malay language would vanish. Not having a sufficient number of users to form the critical mass necessary to ensure its continued usage and survival, the malay language would eventually be dropped as a language of communication in favour of some other more popular languages. This is a natural consequence of selection and preference. We, men and women, are slaves of communication. We need to talk and to communicate with others for all sorts of reasons; and we do so with the language which most people use.

    When the language of a race disappears, the culture of that race too would soon disappear. This is because language is the bearer of culture. When the malay language loses it popular use in the country, the malay culture too would lose its meaning and significance. The vacuum created would then be filled by the culture of other races. And the absorption process then completes.

    So the ketuanan melayu issue is in fact a reflection of the malay’s feeling of insecurity as a race. The need to increase their numbers (whether by drawing on indonesions or by affiliating themselves with people of the muslim faith) and the emphasis on the malay language are signs of the insecurity.

    But unfortunately for them, we are not a one-race nation. UMNO may implement whatever steps they deem necessary to preserve the malay race so long as those steps are not unfair or prejudicial to the rest of us or at our expense. That is the essence of our demand. Its not a lot to ask actually. Equally, it would not be too much for us to question the steps taken if the implementation seem to benefit only a few.

    Yes because we are malaysians therefore understand your position. But please try and understand our stand. It is not unreasonable. Definitely not.

  59. #59 by boh-liao on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 12:59 pm

    One of the many, many examples of ketuanan Melayu and with Umno connection: the appointment of Dr Mohd Razali Agus as Universiti Industri Selangor (Unisel) vice-chancellor.

    What’s Mohd Razali Agus’ academic eminence that qualifies him to be the VC of a university? Ask people at Universiti Malaya to elaborate on his qualification or kulitfication. What was his contribution to UM as a deputy vice-chancellor for over four years?

    His signature qualification would be: “Mohd Razali is an Umno member as well as a committee member of the Overseas Umno Clubs Alumni”. (The Star, 28.6.08)

    At least the current Selangor state government is sensible not to extend Mohd Razali Agus’ service as Unisel VC after the expiration of his second six-month period of probation. (The Star, 28.6.08)

    “I am in total shock because I have given my best to manage the university and to help make it one of the fastest growing universities in the country,” Mohd Razali Agus said. (The Star, 28.6.08) “One of the fastest growing universities” is his mission?

    Currently there are far too many incompetent pseudo-academics masquerading as intellectual leaders helming our local universities. They are political appointees who benefit directly under NEP, ketuanan Melayu, and the Umno patronage system.

    Having politically-appointed incompetent pseudo-academics as VCs of universities is the surest suicidal way that leads to academic disaster and wastage of public funds for self enrichment and self gratification.

    A good sad example is Malaysia University of Science and Technology (MUST), which was established 10 years ago as a a world-class university. (In Malaysia, we always without fail like to call a project world-class right from the beginning without the faintest clue of its performance. Malaysia boleh self indulgence!) How is MUST today, despite its linkage with the truly world-renowned MIT? Degraded? Upgraded? Are previous and current Presidents and Provosts of MUST answerable to the huge sum of money spent in the last 10 years to achieve the current sad state of MUST?

    It’s best to cull intellectually mediocre or incompetent and bankrupt VCs ASAP before they cause harm to the academic institution.

  60. #60 by Godfather on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 1:52 pm

    Of course, a university VC must promote government policies, must be able to bodek the UMNO thieves. If one objects to a money-spinning initiative from UMNO, then that person has to look for another job. Witness the creeping privatisation of UM landbank.

    Meritocracy kills the right to steal, hence there can’t possibly be any meritocracy.

  61. #61 by One4All4One on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 2:34 pm

    Any discerning Malaysian, be it Malay, Chinese, Indian, kadazandusun, Iban, etc., etc. would be able to tell that racial polarisation is a serious problem in Malaysia.

    Goverment policies which are divisive in nature coupled with ethnic-centric officials/workers in the mainstream administration is of no help either. Since my earlier days till now, it is so sad that there is no improvement in policies which could be deemed as bridging the racial divide. In fact, it has gotten worse. If those in the government ‘ivory tower’ care enough to just cursorily observe, racial polarisation could be considered to be at its worst.

    THere may be some pockets of community which exhibit ‘muhhibah’.
    Outside of that confine, racial harmony and unity are mostly superficial, artificial and not inherent

    If the government truly believes that racial truly exists in the country, then there should be no fear at all for people to talk about racial, religious, and government policies. However, the opposite is true. Whenever a non-bumiputra, to be more specific a non-Malay, raises issues about equality and race, some party would stand up and shout to bring it down. This is reality. This has happened over and over again. And will happen again and again, unless and until there is real change.

    As is always the case someone would say no to to bring up racial / religious issues because they are sensitive(?). What is there to be sensitive about if there is true and real understanding? It shows that if there is any semblance of unity (at all), it is very fragile indeed.

    If there is no polarisation, why bother so much whoever gets the scholarship, if they are deserving? Why the quota? Isn’t merit a more deserving criterium rather than racial/ethnic background? Not only the people are polarised. The policies are even more polarised. Polarised policies = polarised people.

    There is no need for selective discrimination if the government truly believe that Malaysians are truly united indeed.

    There are just too numerous segregative policies in the country to be comfortable with. From the most humble town-ship to the cities, whenever a project is up for consideration, there would be cries for the government to look at the interest of a particular group.

    Even a policy of utmost importance like the judicial appointment review is questioned for fear of certain parties losing out. Tell us, isn’t this also polarisation?

    This discussion is not to cause racial tension, but to bring to light the realities in the country. Isn’t it the people’s right to voice their honest opinions in the country? Doesn’tthe government want to know the truth?

    A lot more could be elaborated in a systematic and orderly way. Let others tell their side of their story. I rest my case for the time being.

  62. #62 by One4All4One on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 3:00 pm

    Religions are not possesed by anybody or any group of people. Because the one true God is the God of all humanity, no one can lay claim to ‘own’ Him. We all belong to Him.

    So to say that because such and such a religion is what they profess, then they have the sole right to teach and even ‘own’ and ‘posses’ it is erroneous. So there is no question of anyone protecting the religion from anybody else. It is just the individual and the religion. It is personal. It is religion which is protecting the people, not otherwise.

    Religions encourage people to learn about them. Discussing about a religion, its teachings, and questioning about them are methods of learning about it. How could there be learning if there are no questioning? No one has a monopoly over the religion they profess. They cannot question anyone who is questioning it in the course of learning. Questioning should not be equated with disrespect.

    To make a religion a ‘state religion’ is just a preference, an inclination. In fact there is no such thing as a ‘state religion’. It should not be imposed on anybody. God does not impose, He encourages seeking and learning. If God does not impose, who are people to do so? The choice rests with the individual him/herself.

    Let’s not be overzealous. I think the wise know about this.

    We have to move away from erroneous man-made rules.

  63. #63 by shamshul anuar on Saturday, 28 June 2008 - 11:58 pm

    Dear Lim Kit Siang,

    I am amused with your question to the PM. Of course, I am not denying the validity of the question. Indeed, it is very pertinent.

    Racial remarks are on the rise. Perhaps you are not aware that many feel you and your party you control also play with racial cards. Not believing me? You played up the issue of Sekolah Wawasan and scared away the Chinese community with lies that it is the first step in abolishment of vernacular schools.

    You played with racial sentiments over transfer of A Chinese School in Damamsara several years ago.

    You played the sentiments by saying that a vote to MCA is a vote to UMNO( hence supporting UMNO’s supremacy in Malaysian politics).

    You did not say anything when Dr Kua of your DAP party published a review on May 13 that put the blame squarely on the Malays. When I told my non Malay friends on insult hurled on Malays during the sad episode, my remarks were met with silence. Then the usual remarks were then made. We never hear that part , they said.

    You are silent over numerous incidents of unfair treatment to Malays in private sectors.

    You never remind those who participate here on the importance of mannerism when they hurled unprintable words to UMNO, Malays or whatever the Malays cherish. For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must “bodek” UMNO thieves.

    As for bystanders, If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago. What chance , pray God( if you believe one) that you have again a political party that at once controlled almost 70% of seats in Parliament.

    At its strongest time, it never terrorize non Malays. It still allowed the mind boggling practice( the rarity in this world) by allowing non Malays to win in Malay majority areas .

    Yes Sir racism is alive in this world and in your heart.

  64. #64 by Godfather on Sunday, 29 June 2008 - 10:27 am

    “For example, reading from Godfather make one wonder whether all Vice Chancellors are idiots. He ( known for being insolent and I guess A matter of lack of good breeding) said that A Vice Chancellors must “bodek” UMNO thieves. ”

    Says the UMNOputra Shamsul Anuar.

    Yes, if there is true meritocracy, ALL the vice Chancellors of the local universities will NOT be in their present posts. This is not a racial comment, for there could be better Malay candidates than those currently in their posts. For example, I rever Ungku Aziz.

    And YES, those in the current posts are kaki bodek for the den of thieves known as UMNO.

  65. #65 by Godfather on Sunday, 29 June 2008 - 10:28 am

    Shamsul Anuar:

    Stealing is not an unprintable word. Stealing is a hard habit to break, but break it we must.

  66. #66 by Godfather on Sunday, 29 June 2008 - 10:41 am

    “If UMNO had wanted to marginalize non Malays, it would have done that long time ago.”

    Can you hear us rolling about on the floor right now in uncontrollable laughter ?

  67. #67 by Godfather on Sunday, 29 June 2008 - 2:06 pm

    Shamsul Anuar:

    You called me “insolent” for branding UMNO as a den of thieves. You say it is due to poor upbringing. Let me ask you (and any UMNOputra reading this) the following:

    1. Did you call Kerismuddin “insolent” when he waved his keris? Did you say that the UMNO Youth exco had poor upbringing when they asked Kerismuddin when he was going to use the keris ?

    2. Did you call Bung Mokhtar or Mohd Said “insolent” when they called a lady MP as “bocor” ?

    3. Did you call Ali Rustam “insolent” when he said that Melaka doesn’t need the Chinese or Indians ?

    4. Do you label KJ and Azeez as being of poor upbringing when they support the mat rempits, many of whom are involved in criminal activities ?

    5. Did you label the late Zakaria Mat Deros as being of poor upbringing when he chased his satay competitors out of business, and alienated land for his own family ?

    Let me tell you something. UMNO knows who I am, and where I am. They can always make a police report or ask their lawyers to sue me for slander. But they won’t. They won’t because the list of UMNO’s crimes are so long that it will take months to chronicle them.

    Shame on you, supporter of thieves, liars and cheats.

  68. #68 by Barisan Rakyat on Sunday, 29 June 2008 - 10:17 pm

    There is no ‘KETUANAN MELAYU’. KETUANAN MELAYU is only UMNO propaganda. UMNO is not fighting for the ‘BUMIPUTRA’ their actual fight is only for ‘KETUANAN UMNOPUTRA’.

  69. #69 by One4All4One on Wednesday, 2 July 2008 - 12:02 am

    Again please let good sense prevail.

    Nothing ought to be a licence to do as one pleases, and this includes ‘ketuanan’ or whatever.

    ‘Ketuanan’ melayu…well…where is it stated in our constitution that there is such a thing as ‘ketuanan’ melayu?

    No one has a right to be lord over another.

    Doesn’t our constitution espouses equality? If so, why the question of one having more right than the others? Don’t make a mockery of the federal constitution.

    And let’s differentiate between political rights and other activity-related situations in the country.

    Firstly, how could the various races own proportionately equal wealth? Unless this is done through intervention (rightlly or wrongly), it is not achievable at all. We know that wealth is attained through economic activities. The chinese had been very industrious through mostly their own effort and toil and sweat. What wrong had they committed to have achieved success through their effort? Why have to set quota and restriction to allow the rest, who don’t put in the required effort, to achieved what the chinese had?

    The government can certainly put in place policies to help those who need assistance, but not at the expense of restricting the progress the others. So many years of detrimental selective protective policies and the ‘blokade’ has not been lifted.

    Where are we headed? The government knows that its policies had an impact on holding back the progress of the chinese, but do not quite admit it, in the guise of the having increased the size of the pie to be shared damong the various ethnic groups.

    A lot of chinese are suffering, do they but know it.

    ‘Ketuanan’ does not give anybody any right to come up with discriminatory policies to to sideline anyone. Don’t claim that the country is practising democracy if those policies are practised.

    Polarisation would not rear its ugly head if there is no discrimination.The common rakyat are crying to be heard. But their cries are not heard, and not meant to be heard?

    Well, again ‘ketuanan’ is not a licence to do as one wishes. It should not exists at all. I rest my case.

  70. #70 by imranj78 on Thursday, 3 July 2008 - 11:25 pm

    Bangsa Malaysia is still very far off for as long as we have divisive systems.

    NEP should be for all who needs it, not only for Bumis. There should not be any more schools based on race – no more chinese schools, no more indian schools. All should be national schools to promote national unity. National schools should continue to be strengthen. Much more to do, but these two as a start.

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