Abdullah putting pressure on AG to prosecute Karpal - bad and dangerous precedent
The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is setting a bad and dangerous precedent in publicly pressurizing the Attorney-General, Tan Sri Gani Patail to charge DAP National Chairman and MP for Bukit Gelugor, Karpal Singh for sedition and turn a legal issue into a political and racial one.
This is the first time in 50 years that a Prime Minister had so flagrantly and blatantly put public pressure on the Attorney-General to prosecute an Opposition leader, making a total mockery of the absolute discretion of the Attorney-General as entrenched in Article 145(3) of the Constitution “to institute, conduct or discontinue any proceedings for an offence, other than proceedings before a Syariah Court, a native court or a court-martial”.
On Thursday, Abdullah said he had instructed Umno secretary-general Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor to lodge a police report against Karpal for making allegedly seditious remarks about the Sultan of Perak when Karpal had reiterated publicly that he had not questioned Sultan Azlan Shah’s prerogatives as the state’s head of religion of Islam.
Yesterday, the Prime Minister has upped the ante by publicly demanding that the Attorney-General speed up the probe against Karpal.
Abdullah has never shown interest or concern as Prime Minister about high-profile cases, whether police reports previously made against Cabinet Ministers or recently against Umno for the series of seditious conduct against the Malay Rulers after the March 8 general election over the appointment of the Terengganu Mentri Besar.
Abdullah should have used his high office to end the controversy which arose from the distortion of Karpal’s raising of a legal principle established by the case of Federal Territory Education Director and others vs Loot Ting Yee about the transfer of federal and state civil servants into a challenge of the prerogative of Sultan Azlan Shah over matters pertaining to Islam and Malay custom.
The country is trying to come out of the “judicial darkness” which it had been plunged into for two decades as a result of the series of crises of confidence and credibility in the independence, impartiality and integrity of the system of justice – not just about the judiciary but also other important players especially the Attorney-General.
The Prime Minister’s public and persistent demand for action to be taken against Karpal by the Attorney-General does not create confidence that the present administration is fully committed to end the two-decade-long “judicial darkness” in the country by allowing all the major stakeholders in the system of justice their full and unfettered independence and impartiality - whether judges or the Attorney-General.
May 10th, 2008 at 09: 42.46
Badawi has got his priorities wrong again and again. He should focus on prosecuting those responsible in the Lingam case and cleaning up the judiciary system so that the rakyat will have confidence in it. The planned prosecution of Karpal is clearly an attempt by UMNO to take desperate revenge. The rakyat has nothing to gain from this. Please resign before you bring more damage to the country.
May 10th, 2008 at 09: 44.26
I doubt the police will arrest Karpal Singh, because this will trigger a huge reaction and the police will be forced to arrest Pak Lah too. Don’t forget lots of police reports were also filed when Pak Lah go against the will of the HRH Sultan of Terengganu. Daulat Tuanku.
May 10th, 2008 at 09: 48.23
Too bad the next election would be years away. I don’t think M’sians have such good memories!
We need to educate ourselves more, read more books, etc. Can’t forever think for ourselves only, being selfish, or lone-ranger. We need to be able to think critically and be united to topple the rotten BN Govt.
No more sweet talks!
May 10th, 2008 at 09: 51.54
What to do! When the AG is the “pet dog” of the BN government, things like this are sure to happen!
May 10th, 2008 at 09: 53.17
PL also went against will of Raja of Perlis,?
22 BN, ADUN, also went against will of Sultan of Trengganu.?
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 05.44
like i always say,PR cant light-up a candle,but BN (bangsa najis) can even put -on a big flame!
what they do obviously double standard,having these kind of Ruling Gomen,it’s a doomed-day for us!
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 07.14
If MSM publishes approval ratings similar to those in Western countries, I am in no doubt that this PM’s ratings is in the bottom rung. He (and other BN leaders) are expediting the political death of UMNO and BN in its current form and is galvanizing the negative public opinion on the “disability” of BN leaders to continue to lead this country.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 07.54
Those in power umnobn can do what ever they like. From history they will never change. The only way is to bring them down. But with their $tupid actions, they are going down and sinking fast. People like bodohwi have to put up a show so he can go down in style with umnobn. Why worry, they are fighting among themselves and desperate umnobn will do stupid things. $tupid poli$ will follow $tupid instruction from their bo$$. Monkey $ee, monkey do. Umnobn, you are going down with your Kurang aJar. It wont be long.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 09.19
PL’s inept action will only further run down the country’s image and frighten away foreign investors.
In fact, Tun M. said it would be embarrassing to see a photo of Karpal Singh being led away in a police car.
Malaysia needs a better and smarter PM.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 11.43
and may i know whats the stand of the other component parties in BN on this issue ?
Do they have a stand or are they going to prove to be impotent again ?
Uncle Kit, Please ask these so- called BN component parties to state their stand on this issue. As political parties they must make a stand on issues. Cant always be hiding in UMNO’s panties all the time.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 15.41
Karpal Singh said he had in no way questioned the prerogative of the Sultan of Perak as the head of the religion of Islam in his state.
“I have not seen the contents of the police reports, but if they state anything false they (those who lodged the reports) have to face the consequences,” he said.
“Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi should have taken legal advice from the Attorney-General before publicly attacking me for questioning the prerogative of the Sultan of Perak as the head of religion when I did not do so.
“I cannot see how my statement over the transfer of Jamry has impinged on the Sultan’s prerogative as head of religion in Perak.
“I warn the Prime Minister that I will not hesitate to take legal action against him and his deputy if they persist in making defamatory remarks against me.”
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/10/nation/21211927&sec=nation
I look forward eagerly to a multi-billion dollar suit against the PM and his deputy. Also that Tenku Adnan (who is not a `Tengku` I hear).
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 17.43
“I warn the Prime Minister that I will not hesitate to take legal action against him and his deputy if they persist in making defamatory remarks against me.”
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/10/nation/21211927&sec=nation
Criminal defamation, I think. And both the trangresors have money to pay.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 19.50
Tun M said it would embarresing to see a photo of Karpal being led away in a police car…………
Tun M, Tun M, though I agree with Tun M on this , it was also embarressing to see Anwar with a black eye and sodomy charge, and the bringing of a mattress from Tivoli Villa to court everyday with some stains on it.
And this my friends…………. this was shown on BBC and CNN practically everyday for a few months after the sacking of Anwar Ibrahim
Tun M………. I just dunno what to say about you……
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 22.07
Yes, the rakyat are running out of patient.
Enough is Enough!
BN till todate after 8 March 2008 political tsunami still never learnt anything or get any message from the general public.
Enough is Enough!
FULL SUPPORT TO DSAI to kick the BN doggies out of the Parliament into Sungai Buloh!
Sooner better!
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 29.22
Neither Tunku Abdul Rahman (the 1969 general election excepted), nor Tun Razak, nor Tun Hussein Onn, nor yours truly had won less than two-thirds. Certainly we never had occasion to accuse Umno members of sabotaging their party. Yet Abdullah, by his own admission, has apparently been “sabotaged” by Umno members.
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The first thing he did when becoming prime minister was to bring his family unofficially into the government. He can deny this but people know the activities of Khairy Jamaluddin and Kamaluddin Abdullah and their cronies, including those of the fourth floor. They often sit in meetings of government committees and when the prime minister met people.
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No matter how strongly he denies that he is the cause, no matter how many people he blames, he cannot explain why this catastrophe to the Umno, MCA, MIC and Gerakan and the BN had never happened under four previous prime ministers but happens only during this tenure. He cannot explain why the “sabotage” by Umno and the component party members in 2008 when in the past they had been very loyal and never failed to give the Alliance and the BN two-thirds majority in Parliament and control of almost all the states.
If he refuses to go and tries to ignore the calls for his removal until the next election, the disgusted voters and party members will probably ensure the BN will be defeated at federal and state levels as the only way to end his premiership.
http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=22185
While I may disagree with a lot of what he says, he is right on other points.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 34.54
the only thing that kept BN in power was the greed for power and money.
watch it disintegrate once we have a new Federal Government
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 40.20
I am not a PM nor BN supporter all the time but after the 8/3 GE, i felt pityful with this old man after he was bombarded by so many people but this feeling was disappeared yesterday night after seeing this old man talking nonsense big bird about charging Kappal…
There are so many cases which rakyat is interested in such as Mogolia murder, submarine, lingam, food & oil and many many more then why you don’t ask AG to act fast and take action…????
Why you need to further study before deciding to make lingam’s report to public????
My hope now is to wait for Mr. Anwar to become our next PM and Mr.LKS to become his deputy…
Pakatan Rakyat, please don’t let us down! please please please
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 41.56
I have my highest respect for HRH Sultan of Perak who is also the former Lord President.
The constitutional mornarchy system in Malaysia is probably obsolote or being abused … or Rakyat is just not getting what the system is all about.
If YB Karpal is wrong constitutionally, he should gracefully apologize, otherwise ….. it’s going to be disasterous.
However , if he is right . It will be so shameful for those who had defamed him for the publicity sake. PL has been from time to time been receiving bad advise from a bunch of du*gu. From the it looks, he is going to be finished soon.
Long live PR. Perak.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 42.44
I think TDM is very happy now
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 45.00
StevePCH,
why do u think TDM is happy now ?
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 45.52
If there is a more serious case of lese majeste, it is Tun M’s curbing the rights and powers of the sultans.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 46.54
Frankly, the PM is like a chicken flopping around with its head cut. He tries to show he`s brave, but turns up idiotic. His administration is a messy one. The economy`s not hot. Without the oil revenue there`s nothing going.
And he keeps proving himself useless. I suppose that`s good.
May 10th, 2008 at 10: 49.30
Ridiculous isn`t it? A rice crisis turns up, and Badawi tries to turn it into a `Derhaka` crisis. Somehow his brains are not tuned in right. Derhaka can`t put the rice into the bellies of the rakyat.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 03.41
I cannot understand this guy, this guy disagree and against with the menteri besar Terrenganu chosen by Sultan. Why in sudden, he is so interested in this matter? In addition, this guy also did the same thing into the Perak Menteri Besar case where DAP or PKR candidate is not chosen as Menteri Besar.
To Press: Please do not use the terms of “Malay”, even I am not Malay but what I’ve seen in the TV is most of them is UMNO or their subsidiary not Malaysia. Please do not twist the fact.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 04.09
“Looks like UMNO is determined to politicize Karpal’s statement for political gain. Sometime bad has to be countered with bad. I would to suggest DAP and members of Pakatan Rakyat to also lodge a police report on the disrespectful comments made by Pak Lah, former Perlis MB, Idris Jusoh the ex-MB of Terengganu and other UMNO members who protested against Agung and Perlis Raja. I’m sure compared with what Karpal commented as lawyer, their remarks were more seditious and disrespectful to the rulers. In fact the rakyat of Terengganu turn out in thousands to protest against the seditious remark by UMNO politician.
Please act fast before it goes out of hand.” I Malaysia
Well say. PR and especially DAP must counter-sue immediately, as many cases as possible.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 04.34
Uncle Lim,, this could not have come at a better time. Malaysiakini posted that Karpal questions why no DAP or PR leaders have stood up for him. I find the article by Fauwaz Abdul Aziz rather mischievous, as if to sensationalise the issue. Malaysiakini though independent should know what’s the real public opinion that they want to shape out of this matter - giving BN more ammunition to single out and persecute Karpal, or the perversion of administration of justice in a ridiculously untenable allegation of sedition.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 04.53
Sorry, just to add what i’ve said earlier, I mean if he want to against Karpal Singh, he and his UMNO should apologise to the Sultan Terrengganu openly before he has the rights to do so!
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 06.23
While I agree that the precedent is bad, it does not surprise me or strike me as surprising. What strikes me and scares me is why or why not do this? To me his action reeks of frivolity and LACK OF CONVICTION of priorities of his task.
IF he feels Karpal has done so wrong, why don’t he as head of UMNO file the police report himself? Why is it he does not know who else is filing the police report? His comments are nothing insightful in what they say is unprecedented betraying a lack of thought in the matter. But the fact of the matter is he is not treating this seriously which is why he did it in the first place. He is starting a bad precedent frivolously because he finds it hard to gain track and deal with the right-wingers of his party.
When he has so many important issue at his plate, he is doing this to distract and control the right-wing of a party brings to question his resolve to deal with promised reform agenda which has hardly even begin. They are still just renew promises. We have seen this before..
The danger of backtrack of reform is very real…
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 11.52
When Malaysia still weak and falling behind in economy, security & legal cases/issues. Our government/BN shall call on the priority to iron out the issues and not wasting or throwing the Rakyat money playing thier dirty political tactic. Please be considerable and not hoping and floping here in Malaysia like no direction. I still wonder why we have such joker being selected become leader.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 14.19
I don’t think Kapal Singh’s remark was “seditious” and definitely he did not question Perak Sultan’s
prerogative as the state’s head of religion of Islam.
The whole issue is being twisted by Umno itself led by this PM clapped on by its Youths and instead of coming out to investigate and help solve the misunderstanding, and prevent further disharmony, he has chosen the dangerous game, to instigate and become “batu api” instead!
What kind of Prime Minister do we have? He calls himself “PM of all Malaysians”, but is fit? It is now being turned into ‘racial and religious’ issue by the very people under him!
As PM he should instead investigate, speak to Perak Menteri Besar Nizar Jamalludin to hear him out then rightly pay a courtesy call on the Sultan of Perak to help solve this issue/misunderstanding.
Obviously these spoilt losers in Umno/BN have still not learnt their lesson from the 8 Mar 2008 GE-12 political tsunami? Comeon Paklah, have some responsibility and behave like a Prime Minister of a nation of 26 million people, not ketua samseng!
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 24.11
what will happen if suddenly the Sultan of Perak who was also a former Lord President suddenly says he doesnt think Karpal’s statement was seditious.
Where will PL put his face ?
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 34.08
`Where will PL put his face ?` - In the toilet bowl
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 34.41
Why was there no hue and cry when Tun Mahathir went round the country belittling the monarchy and the subsequent amendment to the constitution to clip its power?
Why was there no hue and cry when UMNO criticized the Perlis and Trengganu rulers over the apointment of the Menteri Besars?
Compare the above to what Karpal said. This is chicken feed.
UMNO will never give up its arrogance. It’s like a leopard which never gives up its spots or a zebra that never gives up its stripes.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 35.43
“Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is, without doubt, a lame duck prime minister,” he said.
Recounting the charge of treason that BN MPs had leveled against him in Parliament on Thursday after the issue was raised, Karpal said he was adamant on not apologising for his statements even if they were to move to expel him.
“They better don’t, because I stand by what I have said. You don’t say something and then later back down or apologise.
“I gave it a lot of thought before I made the statements. I went into the law carefully and considered the position,” he said.
“I’ve been in Parliament for 26 years and will not be intimidated by anyone. Why should I?”
“If they do (expel him), I’ll take them on. You can’t intimidate someone to submit to what you want. I don’t run away from challenges like this,” he added.
http://malaysiangate.blogspot.com/2008/05/karpal-malaysiakini-karpal-singh-warned.html
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 36.01
Sultan of Perak is the most educated Sultan among all rulers in Malaysia. Sultan of Perak is a fair and full of justice person.
The way UMO handles the issue is totally wrong. I think Sultan of Perak needs to correct the wrongs immediately.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 36.15
This is a case of rule by law, or legal persecution. The PM has the resources of the government at his disposal. The AG office can be diverted from doing the more urgent task at the cost of the country, but not at the cost of the PM himself. But Karpal Singh has to devote part of his 24 hours day to defending himself. If the PM had to bear the cost, at his personal level, then he might learn a lession.
There is no such law as lesemajesty in the country. Even if there was, Karpal cannot be charge under it for offering opinion regarding the legality of actions by royal households. UMNO leaders questioned the process in the appointment of mentri besar for Perlis and Trengganu. That amounted to directly challenging the authority of the rulers, when the discretion of the rulers were involved. But no actions had been taken against those UMNO leaders. In the present case, the question involves the coverage of civil servants, and the proper line of personnel control.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 43.42
Why Pakatan let BN continue with the life support? BN is brain dead
Please take over the government soonest in order to get rid of the mess. We cannot afford to let this mess go on.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 46.07
I agree with mendela.
The Sultan of Perak should speak up if he thinks Kapal Singh’s remark was “seditious” and was infact questioning his “perogative” as Head of State for Islamic affairs. This wll immediately stop Umno/Youth’s dangerous game before it goes too far.
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 50.07
The government(AG) has more important things to do ie to send the Altantuya murderers to hell, but they are not serious and still dragging their feet!
WHO is protecting WHO?
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 53.38
Well.. there are couple of questions they need to ask Pak la and Najip. They both seems to be “makan cili tidak tahu pedas”
1. Pelantikan MB Terengganu, Umno has made a lot of sedition remark to Sultan …. remember the “Natang” word ? And pak la himself did said “Unconstitutional” on regard of pelantikan MB ? Why no action has been taken so far ? but action being taken to those are no Umno/BN supporter ?
2. What abt Najip himself ? Sedition remark from him widely documented that in the days preceding Operasi Lallang in October 1987, Najib Razak then as the head of Umno Youth, made a speech at a rally in Kampung Baru where he vowed to bathe his keris in the blood of Chinese Malaysian citizens.
And this speech was delivered against a background of banners by Umno Youth saying such things as ‘May 13 has begun’ and ‘Soak it with Chinese blood’.
The above are only 2 examples ….. both examples by far menyakit teringga bila mendengar !!
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 55.48
Dear All,
This state of affairs has somewhat caused people to wonder whether the agenda to change adopted by the current regime following its dismal performance in the recently concluded election could be followed through or will soon be forgotten as just mere stop-gap measure talk to appease the rakyat. In the last election, the rakyat has shown that they are capable and reserve the right to vote out an inefficient or corrupt or oppressive government. The newly installed government has somewhat realized quickly its weakened position and was swift in adopting various strategies to unite the Malays in particular and the rakyat in general so as to regain their confidence with the view and hope to fare better in the next election. Quick and swift actions have to be taken and trivial issues that could bring about stimulation on racial sensitivity will be used to shore up support.
One has to reconcile with the fact that UMNO leaders will not hesitate to use communal politics whenever their positions are threatened as time and again been shown in 1969, 1987, 1999 and probably now. Even, former Deputy Prime Minister, Anwar Ibrahim, outwardly agree that such tactic has always been the trump card. UMNO or BN should realize that any attempt to use communal politics in order to win support would be a retrogade step in this day and age in Malaysia. The rakyat are now better informed and perhap smarter in their judgement.
The ruling regime should spend more time, perhaps along with the much strengthened opposition to map out strategies to fight inflation and sharpen the country’s economic competitiveness rather than picking up these issues so as to avoid delving into the real crisis.
However, considering that UMNO has been quite severely weakened along with its component parties and support from the Malays for PAS and Keadilan appears rapidly growing, such comment by YB Karpal Singh will be a weapon in the arsenal for their leadership to harp upon.
One should wonder the terrifying consequences that these communalist can daunt upon us if their passion is not to be controlled or curtailed. How many more years that we need to go through before all political parties in Malaysia can mature above communal politics? Are there any pangs that we need to go through before achieving it?
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 58.13
The old dingo is just playing “Wag the Dog” to get the umno hounds off his back
May 10th, 2008 at 11: 59.15
Imagine a computer with MS Window XP, turned on and has been running too long without restarting… HDD is badly fragmented and registry is getting huge.
If it is not RESTART/RESET, CLEANUP the registry and DEFRAGMENT the HDD… it will CRASH badly… ohhh… seems like, the computer did not update the ANTI VIRUS/SPYWARE/FIREWALL system… Now the computer badly INFECTED as well… it is causing a lot of unexpected and funny behavior…
dammm… the computer now need to be REINSTALLED completely….
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 03.31
The old dingo is just playing “Wag the Dog” to get the umno hounds off his back - k1980
Ah, but what if he`s already a zombie now. Sleep walking now eh what. Karpal should immediately file a suit against the parties (a multi million one) for criminal defamation etc etc.
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 08.20
TO ALL SUPPORTER HERE…DIDN’T YOU GUYS SEE THE SIMILARITY HERE?
I meant RAJA PETRA & KARPAL SINGH!
BOTH OF THEM INVOLVE IN ATANTUYA CASE!!!!! BOTH OF THEM KNOW SOMETHING “FISHY” GOING ON IN THE CASE!
SO, THE ONLY WAY TO SILENT THEM IS TO PUT THEM BEHIND BARS!
To charge Karpal under Sedition Act is just an “EXCUSES” to save the killer/killers! You know who I mean!
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 13.20
YB Kapal,
You are in trouble now seemingly? However,if whatever is going to happen to you at your age and condition now,I can only see the starting of the begining of the end of BN as they don’t learn from the 308 lesson still.
Now,I suggest DAP MP/ADUN shall refrain from make “sensitive” statement or should recraft your statement properly to advoid unwanted casualty during this period of time as the the injured tiger-cat is trying to show its tigerness.we don’t have to kill the dying they will perish by itself naturally.so why watse time and afford shall focused on the well being of Rakyat,we know what is going on else there will be no 308.
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 16.20
Pulau _ Sibu,
Life support will be taken off soon no doubt patient is brain dead.
For political reasons we cannot announce death now !
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 18.32
Abdullah Badawi was embarassed and humiliated by the Sultans of Perlis and Terengganu recently. Now, he is trying to use Karpal Singh as a scapegoat and his punching bag to relieve his stress.
Now, I have totally lost respect for Abdullah Badawi. I used to think that he was a Mr. Nice Guy. Not anymore after seeing his true color at the video posted at Malaysiakini http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOgMooYoOXM
Look at Muhyiddin at Abdullah’s back. I wonder what he was thinking when Abdullah couldn’t articulate his words properly in Malay.
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 29.34
Pak Lah is all over the place.
He has lost his directions and his co-ordinates.
He is in pieces.
So is BN.
(Remember the Rotting Fish Head and Fish Body statement by a certain policital leader of a certain disgraced political party?)
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 30.45
As Karpal said why the silence from Pakatan Rakyat including Saudara YB Lim, I am wondering why? Is the powers to transfer of state administration iw within the domain of State Government or not? If it is not, PR should apologise to the Sultan of Perak.
The best person to demand an apology is the Sultan himself who being the former lord President should know the law. Did Karpal questioned Sultan’s right as the head of Islam? If so I think not only Karpal but the PR should tender unconditional apology. By PR keeping mum it shows you are week and ignorant of the law not to mention your failure to own up to a cock up.
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 36.42
What Karpal Singh did was merely giving his thoughts about what was happening in Perak. It is not seditious at all. But what Abdullah Badawi did against the Sultans of Perlis and Terengganu recently can be regarded as seditious and BIADAP. If the AG decided to probe someone for sedition, then Abdullah Badawi should be the first one to be probed for sedition. Definitely not Raja Petra nor Karpal Singh!
Personally, I prefer Abdullah to be the PM instead of other UMNO goons as his hilarious antics could strenghten Pakatan Rakyat in the next General Election. But now, I am not sure I can “tahan” seeing Abdullah as the PM any longer. So Najib or Muhyiddin, please take over from Abdullah as your sleeping boss is not fit to be the PM of Malaysia.
Sleeping in the Parliament is the real reason why your boss Abdullah does not want the session in Parliament to be broadcasted on TV as he wanted to continue sleeping in office and he does not want the rakyat caught him sleeping again on TV.
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 44.48
Yes LittleBird.I agreed with U =
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 45.34
Now who is the “natang”?
May 10th, 2008 at 12: 57.08
Dear All,
Looks like the government is adopting selective punishment in order to quell dissenting voices.
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 00.13
`Where will PL put his face ?` - Dig a hole and burying it in deep.
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 02.00
LittleBird,
As I see it, it’s dificult for Pakatan Rakyat come in right now; less said is better at this juncture.
The rakyat like you and I who must speak up. Kapal Singh is from PR, remember? They have to remain quiet and watch the sandiwara, only to come in when very necessary. Too many and too much spoken will further confuse this sensitive issue esp when Umno is trying to play it up.
The Pak Lah should act more responsibly expected of nation’s Prime Minister and stop his monkeys making an issue out of it and a fool of themselves! Btw, how come those monkeys were not arrested for ‘unlawful assembly’? …double standards!
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 03.22
Mr. Prime Minister,
Let me ask you these questions:-
1. What have you done since the huge negative general election result for BN? Have you design, repeal, review, replace plans that are not working anymore which the Raayat wants to change? You did not answer. The obvious answer even my children knows is NO!!!.
2. What have you done to narrow the gap between different races? You have done absolutely NOTHING!!!. In fact the Raayat has through the Internet obtained truth and light about so many blatant and stupid mistakes BN government makes and endorses. The Raayat has united and not polarised with only one AIM i.e to change the BN goverment which they are already so fed up.
3. What have you done with the disparity between inflation and the income of lower and middle brackets of the Raayat? Again nothing. In fact, prices of essentials have spiral beyong the means of most Malaysians. Petrol prices is now RM 1.92/litere. Industrial diesel without subsidy is RM 3.00/litre.
Tolls are indiscriminately imposed on various arterial roads in the city without any concern for the Raayat’s welfare. Instead the welfare of the concessionaires are taken care of. Residents are make to make detour up to few kilometres to avoid tolls. What have you done Mr. PM.
How about minimun wages proposed? You did not even read the proposals against the backdrop of the current inflationary economy.
4. How about education Mr. PM? The dropout rates in government primary and secondary school is unbeliveably high. Are there enought schools, teachers, desks, chairs, computers? The answer isobviously NO again!
Instead, you allow a education Minister to brandish a keris without any reprimand. If today you go and ask any students who is the Education Minister, they would not know his name but the Keris.
5. How about University Education Mr. PM? Are there enough public universities of standard for all and sundry without having to pay head and limps to get it?
Are there adequate places for all races without having to impose discrimatory policies? How about the non Malay students who are top scorers and could not even get a scholarship or a place in our local universities.
What have you stop extending loans to students who never have any intention to repay back the taxpayers’ money. I am referring to the MARA loans. Are these NOT public money?
The list goes on…. instead you put your energy to try to arrest and prosecute someone like Karpal who speaks the truth!
What an amazing Prime Minister Malaysia has.
I have no money, reputation and fear. I live and suffered too long for me to keep quiet.
Please Lah Phack Lah.
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 04.53
sorry, last para should read:
“PakLah should act more …….”
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 24.53
Where are all the clever lawyers or wannabes in this blog. How can they remain silent on this important issue? May be they are too scared in the light of recent crackdowns.
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 25.41
This is proof that the AG is not independent! But then again, we knew this all along.
Can the PM pressure the Police to find all those missing children? Can the PM pressure the Police to find the killers of that little girl (stuffed in a bag like some piece of trash!)? Can the PM pressure the Police to look into the Assult of the DAP’s MP in Cheras yesterday?
I suppose the PM is more interested in ensuring the Police & AG go after Bloggers & Opposition MPs. That’s very essential to National Security & Public Safety!!!!!
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 40.20
I WONDER BROTHERS IN PR HAVE INITATED POLICE REPORT AGAINST THE ‘ABDULLAH AHMAD BADAWI’ FOR ABUSING HIS EXECUTIVE POWERS BY INTERFERING WITH THE JUDICIARY… HE HAS INSTRUCTED THE AG TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION AGAINST KARPAL …A SERIOUS OFFENCE AND AN INTIMIDATION OF THE HIGHEST ORDER…PLEASE SEND ME A NOTE I WILL BE THERE TO SUPPORT..NOT ONLY THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE ..HIS CRONIES ALSO WHO HAVE MADE POLICE REPORTS UPON HIS INSTRUCTION MUST BE CHARGED..
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 40.29
A non-issue becomes an issue if the powers there be says it is an issue, makes it an issue and takes steps to make it into an issue no matter what. So it then becomes an issue when it actually is a non-issue.
But Karpal should also be more careful not to be dragged into “issues”. He should exercise more finesse and clarity and not let others create issues from his almost daily comments.
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 50.15
Nowadays everything uttered even with good intention to clarify a point and as long as it’s from bloggers and Pakatan Rakyat, it will be politicised by those sore losers of GE-12!
Grow up guys, when are they going to stop? Guess you need to C4 to silence us all, eh?!
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 55.35
They really think that the Citizens of Malaysia are insanely stupid.
Hello AAB, you are a public servant on OUR payroll, food that you buy with our payroll and taken into your belly and the bellies of your families have all this while kept you alive and well.
And even after you retire you still needn’t worry, you still have your rotten ‘WANG HARAM’ stolen from us to feed your children and grandchidren for decades to come.
As such is the situation, I pitied your grandchildren and their children because you left them with BLOOD in their hands and every time they ’suap’ food into their mouth your sins will pass to them and your FAMILY will become a tainted ‘HARAM’ family FOREVER!
It is proven now to us that you are a SAMSENG PM who is PANTANG DI CABAR and I sincerely hope that for the benefit of the Citizens, you & your HARAM associates will ‘bungkus’ or ‘ta pau’ in the next GE!
May G-d be with you and your family to get you through this chapter as painlessly as possible!!!
OHKHKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2008 at 13: 59.10
This is such a non-issue that even a schizophreniac from Kg Attap knows the answer from the outset. No need for lawyers or lawyer wannabes.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 00.45
The system of governance in Malaysia today is like the leaking roof of our Parliament Building. You fix one; in no time, another leak will sprout out from somewhere. Public sector governance is a total governance system. How can we talk about eradicating corruption when so many of our leaders have chequered past? How can we talk about independence of institutions when power is so opaquely centralised? How can we talk about justice when laws are so discretionary and can be arbitrarily applied? How can we fix the peripheries when the core is so rotten?
The leak in the parliament building is not because of heavy rain, wear and tear, lack of maintenance, using substandard materials or even poor workmanship. These are convenient excuses or the peripheries. The core is our system allows cronies who get paid handsomely for doing nothing and those who do the actual work get very little. You can’t expect quality work out of such a system no matter how much we debate, talk, monitor and supervise. Do you think we have reached a point of no return?
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 02.56
nkeng11,
what u expect him to do after the 12 GE ?
he never had the courage to do anything after winning so big in the 11th GE, you seriously think he will do something now ?
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 05.09
Some wannabes are just gung-ho with me only. They are in fact cock-a-doodle-doo.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 08.03
Such are important things the govt need to focus on but they rather turn their energy to find fault with RPK and Kapal Singh, wasting tax-payers’ money!
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 08.17
Looks like the Prozac is working on limkamput.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 11.09
Seriously, Karpal is a loose cannon, and appears to want to fight with everybody, just like our friend from Kg Attap. He shoots first, and then figures out damage control later. He has been a thorn in the side of Pakatan, and he now questions why Pakatan (including his DAP colleagues) are not coming out vociferously in his support.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 13.33
I have to qualify my previous statement to say that in this particular case, Karpal is not at risk from the sedition charge. Badawi doesn’t know statistics, and he sure as hell doesn’t know anything about the law.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 14.06
godfather, look like Prozac is not working on you anymore. Seriously, you need a stronger one, and please consult your good friend from NY, he is an addict.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 16.55
“Seriously, Karpal is a loose cannon, and appears to want to fight with everybody”… godfather
Y.B. Karpal, can you sue godfather for slander or libel?
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 17.23
This is simply UMNO’s tactic to deflect attention from the real issues that are plaguing the party and the nation - the fight to remove Badawi, the Lingam case, the PKFTZ scandal, the Altantuya case, all of which have been hogging the headlines recently.
Oil is now at US$126 per barrel, and the country is probably broke from the continuing subsidies on gas, diesel and petrol. This is another reason for having to bring this case to the fore - to masquerade the dire economic situation facing Bolehland.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 18.49
No, I am waiting for Badawi to sue me for slander for saying that he doesn’t know statistics and the law. After all, he is the finance minister, isn’t he ?
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 19.00
he now questions why Pakatan (including his DAP colleagues) are not coming out vociferously in his support. godfather
Precisely, we call these people “spineless” just like many wannabes here.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 22.05
They should sack the two ‘retired’ and rakyat’s reject from “Advisor” role. Too much of tax-payer’s money is used. Did we agree to that insanely huge amount of ‘advisor-fee’?
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 25.08
This fee is actually called the “I scratch your back, you scratch my back” fee. After all, when Badawi is kicked out of UMNO, they may want to put him as advisor to the Islamic Council for an equivalent amount in fees.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 26.42
ABdullah,not a democractic country and not proffesional.I think he is not suitable to be a country leader,as seem he does not know law.Also,he is not respect to the democratic.Furthermore,KArpal singh only as and advice as a lawyer and not as DAP chairman,and not be a fight to sultan.If tun,as special rakyat,blame PRime minister,That mean,he not respect Yang Dipertuan Agong,In where,BAginda Give a letter to Abdullah in other to Prime Minister,It mean,TUn not respect.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 30.44
Did we agree to that insanely huge amount of ‘advisor-fee’? Jong
Precisely, and Guan Eng is trying to travel economy to save a few hundred ringgit. It is not that i do not respect Guan Eng. I just feel that if the core is rotten, the peripheries do not matter anymore. Fix the core, the peripheries will take of themselves.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 31.24
No, he’ll turn “Grandmaster” Islam Hardhari.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 31.53
Q: What is the difference between Nik Aziz, Mahathir and Badawi?
A: Nik Aziz can’t tell a lie, Mahathir can’t tell the truth, and Badawi doesn’t know the difference.
This joke is going around the sms circles now, and shows what sort of respect Badawi commands in Bolehland.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 32.53
The “core” will be fixed in due time, sooner than expected.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 34.16
hahahaa, that’s a good one!
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 36.20
Our PM or UMNO PM , is elected by UMNO , for UMNO , serve UMNO die with UMNO-NOT ELECTED BY PEOLPLE .DPM have stated very clearly in NST on 08 may , we ( together with PM ) are not worry being unpopular with citizens .
Who are the citizens - they don’t need us . Now is the time , all citizens do our part to make police reports or pressure our elected MP to “retaliate ” . Though , no actions will be taken but at least we have document proved to question them in parliament .
Wait for 2012 to excercise our right is still a long way to go , not unless our PM-IN-WAITING make the move now ..
DSAI ,PLEASE DO SOMETHING AND GIVE US A PLEASANT SURPRISES …. THANKS
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 43.21
Karpal Singh was talking from the legal point of view. I don’t see anything seditious in it. It is Umno that’s trying to politicise this issue and making it a racial one.
What about the 23 Trengganu Umno ADUNS & their supporters who protested the Sultan Terengganu’s decision and calling the Sultan as “Natang”?
UMNO protesting against Sultan of Terennganu(our Agong also)(
The action of those 23 Terengganu ADUNs were far worse than Karpal.
May 10th, 2008 at 14: 46.33
To Jong and Luther,
The Sultan of Perak can express his opinion about Karpal’s comment and that would resolve the problem. Or would the situation be different if the Sultan had summoned the MB first and asked him to reinstate Jamry.
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 02.30
LittleBird,
Well that was exactly what the Sultan did. He summoned the MB and asked that Jamry be reinstated.
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 10.37
I missed the following sentence..”And then the MB should have issued the press statment apologising for undermining the powers of the Sultan”
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 11.05
It will be good for everyone that HRH Sultan Azlan Shah speaks up whether he agrees with Kapal Singh’s remark on legality, subject close. I don’t see any intent on the part of Kapal Singh to ridicule or question the perogative of HRH the Sultan.
It was mischievous and uncalled for that the Prime Minister and his Umno should act in such an irresponsible manner and see fit to blow up this non-issue, to confuse and create disharmony.
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 30.15
This goes to show one thing, the P.M. is trying to save his political career by playing to his UMNO members tune, little did he realise that people have lost confidence in him for exactly the same reason.
Is better for him to resign now rather than face humiliation by being force out later.
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 40.18
I’ve always wondered why umno members always keep saying that they’ll make sacrifices FOR UMNO or they are doing this and that FOR UMNO and NOT FOR THE RAKYAT or for the COUNTRY. And now I know why, “kenyalan08″ you’ve just given me the answer, stupid me. Of course, the PM of the country is elected by UMNO, and so if one wants to move up, one has only to please UMNO. Which means to say that UMNO’s philosophy is always to be loyal to, and ONLY TO, UMNO.
And it is no wonder why they have not learnt from their disastrous perfomance in the last GE nor be afraid of the Rakyat, because the Rakyat is not the one to decide who becomes the PM all this while. UMNO believes that they will be to gomen forever, whether it’s a big or a simple majority.
And AAB can do anything he wants cos he isn’t afraid of anyone. The police works for him, the Judiciary works for him and none of these morons will go against him.
What he’s done so far to Karpal, only resulted in outrage amongst us bloggers. We rant and rave in cyberspace. To him, its all talk. But if we hold peaceful demos, we get water or chemical cannons blasted at us, worse still, he can use the ISA on us. These are his weapons. OUr only weapon is our pressure on PR to form the new gomen. Perhaps, this might be the only thing he may be afraid of.
May 10th, 2008 at 15: 44.37
devilmaster Says:
Today at 14: 43.21 (43 minutes ago)
Karpal Singh was talking from the legal point of view. I don’t see anything seditious in it.
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Precisely just that and anyone else in the house with sufficient legal knowledge can argue against & refute his lagal stand point. Isn’t this the beauty of the august house, iron sharpens iron & the whole nation progresses forward?
But unfortunately here we see PM & DPM chose to blow it out of all imaginable proportion in the hope to divert attention, especially Altantuya case.
May 10th, 2008 at 16: 01.56
The DAP, in particular, and PR in general, have been keeping silent. This tells something are not right in themselves. I believe many people are dissappointed. This kind of news is just one of the many which are unfolding after the 308. The people are still waiting to see how the PR can work effectively for the benefits of all M’sians. Please quickly prove that you guys not only can critize, but also can govern. Otherwise, as time goes by, support earlier given to you guys will evaporate and go back to the other side, who have proven they can govern, albeit not 100% correct. Currently, life is getting more difficult, but MPs are arguing amongst themselves over issues which are not the priorities.
May 10th, 2008 at 16: 13.43
What is seditious is interpreted differently according to whether you are rational and fair or not. If the govt wants to take up a case with you, even talking about your goldfish can be seditious-lah.
They can be god and the devil at the same time. It all depends on what they feel like being. For an identical case, they can be a god to one, and a devil to the other.
May 10th, 2008 at 16: 20.48
In Bolehland, we want to be first in many things. But in most instances we were first in the wrong things and for the wrong reasons.
Hope the AG can see that what Karpal did was within the law but what the UMNOputras did in Kelantan was against the law.
May 10th, 2008 at 16: 31.49
Our country is facing so much problem economy wise.Courts cases backlog to a few years ..And this clown,s are taking people to court for ..things like this….He said ,you said ,she said.
What Kapal S.Said Is not treason to the anyone that also ..he said ,she said you said.The BN GOVERMENT MUST START WORKING AND STOP POLITIKING .ELECTIONS OVER DO YOUR JOB.
May 10th, 2008 at 16: 37.51
Is this the “double standard” what we have endured in Malaysia? why AAB only interested on the “Karpal” matter…why didnt he called the A-G to sue all the BN MP in the recent Terengganu crisis??..AAB FCUK OFF la…stupid old sleeping man…disgrace for Malaysia for having such a “SLEEPY” PM in the History of Malaysia…. why dont AAB called for the speed up of ALTANTUYA CASE? after having so much pressure from the foreign country?…..what about calling OTK to explain the PKFZ scandal??…i think AAB just want to attract public attention so that everyone can forget what other more important cases…Lingam?PKFZ?BPR guy(cant rmb his name)…..or the BN want to sweep everything under the carpet?…
May 10th, 2008 at 17: 28.00
Whether or not the Pakatan responds, AAB’s upping the ante is the classic sign of a weak and unpopular regime attempting to distract the masses with staged trials and divide the people.
The only way to counter this is to expose more cases of corruption, misrule and mismanagement by BN and force a vote of no confidence in Parliament. Get the Sabahans & Sarawakians to wake up b4 it’s too late for them!
May 10th, 2008 at 17: 37.25
Just IGNORE bn goons and get on with the taks og governing the states that Pr have won. Forget all these diversionary and time and energy wasting tactics, and get good things done in the states that have been won.
That will be a greater threat to bn than anything else.
Lets act sensibly for the good of the nation.
Its obvious that bn is absolutely at a loss to lead the nation and is bankrupt of ideas!
May 10th, 2008 at 17: 39.47
Double standard at it again. Nothing new, nothing good from BN after the political tsunami. Never learnt the lesson. Let them continue to destroy BN….
May 10th, 2008 at 17: 41.53
Why this world so unfair? Double standard! Karpal Singh does not do any wrong thing.He only voiced out his opinion. The society should condemn corruption and nepotism but not what Karpal Singh said. The corruption kills the country and make its people suffering. Please lodge police report for those involve in corruption regardless who they are!
May 10th, 2008 at 17: 43.15
LALILOo Said at 16: 13.43 - Spot on, well said you got the nail right on the head!
May 10th, 2008 at 18: 14.15
Abdullah has indeed make a mockery of himself.
How could he direct some one else his crony, to lodge a police report over the legal statements by YB MP Bukit Gelugor?
If he has the gut, he should lodge a police report himself against the YB Karpal Singh. He could summon the IGP Musa to his office to lodge police report, it is not difficult for him to do that.
He like many other so called UMNO leaders are craving to jump into the bandwagon of lodging police report over many trivialities.
Isn’t he the PM has more important things to look at? Why is he so free to chase after such trivial matter that warrant nothing to the Police.
Why he and UMNO want to bog down the police force and prevent them from doing more important jobs like crime busting and preventing in the country which is now infested with crimes of all kinds one can think of.
Police is bogged down by such trivial caused by such people like the UMNO members. Some of them could find a job for themselves, they also lodge police report against the government, never look at themselves first ans analyse their self-worth, how many sen they are worth.
It is ridiculaous that these people are still so immature in their thinking and outlook, led along by their so called UMNO leaders.
We only hope and eager to see the second thrashing that will come in another 4 years’ time that would probably level the whole political infrastructure of BN, more so the one that claimed to the backbone and the dominant party.
May 10th, 2008 at 18: 27.56
Badawi, the lame duck PM is fighting for his political future. So is his Deputy. Majority UMNO mermbers want both of them to resign, so he tries to show he is `tough` but nobody ever said he was a clever fellow.
Now he becomes a laughing stock if AG can`t perform.
May 10th, 2008 at 18: 42.08
I’m getting errily suspicious, let’s all stay mindful and alert - it seems to me there’s a “hidden hand” at work.
Aren’t Raja Petra Kamarudin(RPK) and Kapal Singh both linked to the murder trial of Mongolian Altantuya Shaariibuu, both claimed to have evidences that can nail Mr and Mrs C.4? Now they are both being slapped with “Sedition” charge, how convenient but it cannot be a coincidence, can it?
May 10th, 2008 at 18: 48.35
Jong: Add to that this is the month of May. Badawi became Secretary of the Emergency Council set up in `69.
So maybe he`s trying to pull another rabbit out of the hat to stay in power.
May 10th, 2008 at 18: 50.05
Ooops, a correction: As for Kapal Singh, there are calls to have him slapped with “Sedition” charge.
May 10th, 2008 at 19: 00.23
Not a surprise of what this sleepy PM is doing. Another typical case of abuse of power tantamount to corruption.
These BN bunch of crooks are doing great disservice to all their earlier leader in the like of polished statesmen Tengku Abdul Rahman and Jaafar Onn.
May 10th, 2008 at 19: 01.09
After the recent GE, we can see UMNO has been trying all possible ways their stupid mind can think of to instigate the malays against pakatan. They try to manupulate every issue into a racial issue to incite the anger of the malays towards pakatan. The demonstration at Penang, Komtar against Penang CM, the pig issue in Selangor and the recent Karpal’s statement on the Perak Sultan are some of the fine examples. UMNO practise a very destructive politics in order to strike back at Pakatan. Their despicable act should be condemned.
May 10th, 2008 at 19: 04.20
“The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is setting a bad and dangerous precedent in publicly pressurizing the Attorney-General…” KIT
Is he really pressurizing his own AG? I thought the more popular belief is that the AG has no discretion whatsoever when it comes to prosecuting or not prosecuting high profile politicians. We know too well that terms like “selective prosecution” and “prosecutorial abuse” are synonymous with BN rule and used as tools to keep them in office. In fact you could say such terms are invented for them!
On the other hand, we cannot blame the PM for playing a populist game since his popularity is at an all time low. If he is seen to be pressuring the AG to do something, wouldn’t that be proof that as PM he never did have the kind of control we said he had over his AG?
But then wouldn’t a drowning man also grab at anything that floats?
May 10th, 2008 at 19: 04.38
Condemning is not enough. It becomes imperative that Barisan Pakatan (or whatever name) moves in to form a new Govt. immediately before the situation becomes critical and Badawi imposes Emergency Rule.
May 10th, 2008 at 19: 16.22
Abdullah had to respond because that will give him some support back.The AG will study and looking through old cases it will be difficult.He might have to amend the charges to come out with something since the PM had directed.It is a question of the judiciary and in this respect perhaps the Bar Council has to come out with some form of stronger statement.Karpal had met greater challenges and so this will be petty.Unless the government use the ISA!
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 03.52
The bottom line is that AAB has been perceived as wasting too much resources in this episode without nett gain for rakyat in the end - bad for Malaysia. AAB should be better off sticking to Zzzzzz and not encourage unnecessary political stunts and sandiwara.
We are in dire need of a leader to move ahead of external competitors at this crucial point.
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 05.47
Judicial reforms my azz, By asking the AG to expedite the preseqution of karpal shows that this pasar malam PM has indeed a pasar malam judiciary in this country, bar council , don’t you guys head that way too , fight it out , and show this pasar malam gomen that we are no more living inthe dark ages.
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 13.48
Karpal has his rights in his comments. He is a very knowledgeable person & his views must be respected.
We are ashamed with Abdullah as PM. No wonder Mahathir said BN will lost if he continues to be PM. Just as we wish.
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 30.16
“It has been, and it is my view that the Perak Sultan had no jurisdiction or power to direct the state government to reinstate Jamry who was a state government servant,” Karpal is reported to have said.
Has a Sec. 4 offence under the Sedition Act been committed here? Perhaps Karpal should have chosen his words more carefully. After all intention is deemed irrelevant by the Sedition Act.
Perhaps he should have said out of deference to the sultan that the state constitution would first have to be amended so the His Highness could so direct. After all, the sultan is head of the Islamic religion as expressed in the constitution.
But then how else would you say someone does not have jurisdiction over a matter except to say that he has no jurisdiction - except when that someone is also the sultan?
Sultan Azlan Shah ordered his MB to retract the 24-hour transfer order issued to Jamry as the transfer was done without the consent of the Sultan as the head of Islamic religion. He is right as it requires his prior consent.
But this does not mean it necessarily translates into an offence under S.4 of the Sedition Act.
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 50.20
KUALA LUMPUR, March 18 (Bernama) — Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail today stressed that there was no tussle between the Regent of Terengganu and the Regency Advisory Council with the state government pertaining to the appointment of the Menteri Besar of the state.
He said this was because the process of appointing the Menteri Besar for the state was spelled out under Article 14 (2) of the state constitution.
“As such, the candidate appointed as the Menteri Besar is not the nominee of the Regent or the Regency Advisory Council but a person who is appointed according to the laws of the state,” he said in a statement here.
He said the person must be a member of the state legislative assembly who in the opinion of the Regent and Regency Advisory Council commanded majority support in the assembly.
He said the Yang di-Pertuan Agong was fully aware of the provision and that His Majesty cannot interfere in the appointing of the Menteri Besar.
“This is because under Article 34(1) of the Federal Constitution, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong cannot function as a ruler of a state except as the head of the Islamic religion.
“In connection with this, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong does not have his own candidate for the post (Menteri Besar of Terengganu),” stressed Abdul Gani.
He said that His Majesty was aware of the fact that appointing of the Menteri Besar lied fully with the Regent and the Regency Advisory Council, and that His Majesty had no role whatsoever under the law concerning it.
Gani’s explanation comes in the wake of speculation about the position.
Datuk Seri Idris Jusoh whose appointment as the Menteri Besar of Terengganu has been delayed since the 12th general election ended on March 8.
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What is the difference between Karpal’s position (in Perak) and that of the AG (in T’gganu)?
May 10th, 2008 at 20: 58.40
Tickler:
AAB has already been confirmed to be on his way out. It is just a matter of time. He is not trying to stay in power but just trying to leave with a memorable BANG, rather than limp his way out.
Undergrad2, Isahbiazhar:
From the various big case that he had worked on, the AG is not known to be impartial and neutral in his job. He is so totally biased to the govt.
In fact, he is JUST ANOTHER GOVT SERVANT and his boss is the PM.
Just like ACA, they all have to submit their findings first to the PM wheether to proceed or close the case.
May 10th, 2008 at 21: 20.18
“What should be remembered is that Umno members in Terengganu supporting Datuk Idris Jusoh carried banners which were far more insulting of the sultan. So why the double standard?” a senior DAP official told The Malaysian Insider.
It can be argued that conceptually speaking, it is not so easy to make a case of Malays as having made statements which have a tendency “to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the subjects of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong or of the Ruler of any State…” and of having committed a seditious act against the Malay Rulers (read: their Rulers).
After all, there are numerous constitutional provisions pertaining to the Malays and their interest, their customs and religion, which require the prior consent of the Conference of Malay Rulers before they could be amended in any way.
Let’s identify the players before the game is played.
May 10th, 2008 at 21: 29.57
“Undergrad2, Isahbiazhar:
From the various big case that he had worked on, the AG is not known to be impartial and neutral in his job. He is so totally biased to the govt.” LALILOo
I’d agree if you are referring to the issue of selective prosecution. If you’re talking of prosecutorial abuse of his powers, the legal system provides for remedies the victims could depend on.
Otherwise it is the Attorney General’s job to prosecute and it is for the court to decide - the jury if we have a jury system which sadly we do not.
May 10th, 2008 at 21: 44.37
I can see from the media, there is serious war instituted by UMNO and their supports gun down Karpal completely. I am very confident Karpal did not have any ill intention to disrespect The Perak sultan or any sultan for that matter.
DAP together with Pakatan Rakyat has to do something before another voice is silenced.
May 10th, 2008 at 21: 54.33
Yb kit,
This is the time all the MPS of PAKATAN RAKYAT STAND SOLID BEHIND YB Karpal.The show of UMNO is getting over,we are really fed up with the umno led govt.They are very racist,seditious,corrupt and etc.Pak lah your days are numbered,god is watching you.
May 10th, 2008 at 22: 29.49
One must strike a distinction between the role of the Sultan on the one hand, and the responsibilities of persons charged with the administration of these matters and therefore subject to civil service regulations and the authority of their political masters.
It seems that Jamry whatever can’t get along with his new boss, the Menteri Besar and therefore had to go. Moving out Jamry in no way constitutes an attack on Islam and Malay culture, customs and traditions or the Sultan’s role in these matters.
http://fernzjoefernandez.blogspot.com
May 10th, 2008 at 22: 31.14
Undergrad2:
- “Otherwise it is the Attorney General’s job to prosecute and it is for the court to decide ”
Sounds too good to be true eh?
Well, unfortunately, it just meant that having a govt servant to [ACA] to hand over his findings to another govt servant [AG] and then report the case to yet another govt servant [the Judge].
After all, none of them are independant. They all work for the same boss and every of their actions awaits instructions from their boss [PM].
May 10th, 2008 at 22: 40.53
Karpal is merely saying what ONLY Karpal dares to do and unashamedly too. Kudos to Karpal.
Now, nobody, least of all Pak Lah & Najib, need to teach HRH Sultan Azlan Shah what is proper and decorous. One needs no reminder that His Majesty was a former Lord President. Karpal was merely stating what is an obvious 101 in Constitutional & ADministrative law. Any ‘A’ level schoolboy, groomed in the basics of the Malaysian Legal System would have been able to tell you that. It’s obvious many UMNO-ites are illiterate in the law & cosnsitently make a fool of themselves. You would not expect HRH to fall for their base and undignified instigations.
Now, if the AG wants to take action, it would be yet another sad, colourless feather in his cap. That reminds me of Mugabe of Zimbabwe. You can check this story with the University of London where Robert Mugabe graduated via an ‘express’ route to an LLB through the Graduate Route. As the story goes, Mugabe was exempted from one year and he chose not to sit for the Public Law Paper, normally a first-year pre-requisite. Now look at the mess left behind by someone who claims to be trained in the law but have no inkiling about what’s constitutional propriety. That same story can be said of Tun M who has literally ‘emaciated’ the judiciary because this docotor thinks he is a ‘dear-know-all’ including laws!
May 10th, 2008 at 22: 48.05
Except that this boss now seems to be “urging and pressurizing” his servant!
May 10th, 2008 at 22: 54.38
I wonder who are the legal advisors of Perak MB…
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 09.47
Our country is in a mess! Mr. Anwar should move fast to effect a change in Federal Government.
Political defection in the name of delivering suffering Malaysians from the clutches of repression and oppression is justifiable. The conscience and moral obligation of the political party (i.e. PR) in setting the people free, OVERRULE ethics consideration pertaining to deflection (as long as money is not involved in the defection).
Mr. Anwar should be aware that there are talks by UMNO to outlaw defection. Once that is done, PR will miss the opportunity of taking over Federal Government.
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 10.24
The State Legal Advisor advises the state government. Who advises the Sultan?
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 27.17
Did God go to law school?
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 33.30
As far as the Perak Sultan, do you think his appointed advisor will dare to give him advice on his actions?
Yes it does seem to be a red herring by the PM to divert attention away from the Lingam Report.
If he does not make it public and ask the AG to act on the report, I am going to stop suggesting he should be allowed to carry on as the PM.
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 35.10
Hai, apa dah jadi dengan pemimpin Beruk Nasional ini? Perkara kecil diperbesarkan, perkara besar pula diperkecilkan?
Takde ke kerja lain yang lebih penting? Negara dah lah tak cukup beras, petrol dah nak naik dan ekonomi pula nak turun, apa yang pemimpin tertinggi kita ini nak buat?
Kalou tak tidor, dia ni suka nak buat kacau dan huru-harakan keadaan politik? Jagalah sikit no 2 itu, jangan pulak nak ikut jejak dia tu, hang ni ketua, takkan nak ikut aje? Pandai-pandailah!
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 36.13
To win a war, it is said that the best defence is to offence.
Karpal, DAP and PR should immediately file police reports and sue the UMO for sedition on the many more serious issues arise the past 6 months.
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 44.00
SUE THE BLARDY BLARDAWI!
May 10th, 2008 at 23: 58.44
This is the pathetic reply from DAP’s allies in PR….
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Deputy Chief Minister I Mohammad Fairus Khairuddin of Parti Keadilan Rakyat said he would leave it to the leadership of the DAP and PKR to address the issue.
He said the Malay members of PKR always respected the palace.
“The issue should not be politicised. It is best for the Perak government and palace to resolve the issue,” Mohammad Fairus said.
May 11th, 2008 at 00: 01.42
before GE 12, we Msians cant wait for it. Nowa fter GE 12, we Msians cant wait for GE13 and we are telling the PR so. DSAI, if what u said is true abt cross-over MPs, pls do it fast! We are suffering day by day with the backlash from the scums of BN esp UMNO!
May 11th, 2008 at 00: 01.56
mendela,
totally agree with you there!
especially sue AAB for his remarks in utusan or harian that day - MELAYU MARAH - PM - this is inciting racial sentiments!
If any other of us or even MP say something like CINA MARAH or INDIA MARAH - for sure he will summon kerismuddin and fight with the keris before he put us all into jail!
PR sue them, make police reports!!
May 11th, 2008 at 00: 02.35
BN & UMNO NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!
INCLUDING AAB & NAJISSSSSS!!
May 11th, 2008 at 00: 06.38
Hey!…I just figured out what AAB stands for!
Amalan Akhlak Buruk!!
Hahahahahahahahgagagagaggaaaggagaga
May 11th, 2008 at 00: 55.13
PM knows that what YB KS said could be used to stoke anger among Malays. The timing of KS’s remarks / comments was not exactly right. Too much bravery, little wisdom.
May 11th, 2008 at 04: 04.19
Karpal Singh has gone on record to complain the lack of support from his own DAP colleagues [and that will include you LKS in capital letters] and Pakatan Rakyat leaders[Anwar comes to mind] over this issue.
Good to be idealistic but when it comes to the crunch you must show you can be counted on to fight the mob-rule mentality of the UMNOputras.
I count this a minus point for both you and the Pakatan Rakyat
May 11th, 2008 at 04: 12.58
A good write up from Sim Kwang Yang -
“Indeed, Karpal was merely bringing up a point of law, and he was discharging his duty as a lawyer and a member of Parliament. His objection was not directed at the person of the Sultan of Perak. From what little I know of Karpal personally, I suspect he must have the same respect for the Sultan of Perak personally as I have.”
http://malaysiakini.com/columns/82639
May 11th, 2008 at 05: 22.35
“Indeed, Karpal was merely bringing up a point of law, and he was discharging his duty as a lawyer and a member of Parliament. His objection was not directed at the person of the Sultan of Perak.”
Intention irrelevant Sec. 3 sub-sec (3) Sedition Act 1948.
May 11th, 2008 at 07: 06.02
now we can see how evil pak lah is… i don’t think what Karpal do is wrong…
AS USUAL… RACIAL CARD AGAIN…
May 11th, 2008 at 07: 21.58
Mr Abdullah we have enough of your antics. It is better you put your energy to help the people than to help yourself by trying to destroy one or two leaders of the people. By trying to bring the whole force of UMNO against one or two men will not win back the hearts of all those who had spite you but looking after their welfare and safety and just be fair, will. The way you are heading looks like you are in your final tribulation.
Sorry to tell you that the people are very much wiser now. We all know what is wrong and what is right but to you and UMNO you think might is always right.
There are so many pressing issues that had contributed to the miseries of the people, many UMNO made but some due to God’s rage. There are still some who are blind, but soon they will wake up, hopefully before Malaysia falls way behind. Let me remind, those days are gone, Mr UMNO where you can bluff everybody all the time. But today can see clearly what you had in mind, not out of prejudiced but your legacy that you left behind.
May 11th, 2008 at 08: 53.18
It’s not easy for Opposition to deny BN 2/3 majority in the parliment and winning 5 states on March 8, hence the achievements must be cherished.
IMO, what YB Kapal Singh has said was not seditious, but quite close. But it has given UMNO the golden opportunity to stoke racial emotion, to attack, divide and even disintegrate Pakatan Rakyat.
Kapal Singh has always been a loose canon chairman for DAP.
He opened his mouth too easily. He’s unaware of the fact that he can’t act oppositionist as before.
He’s must be make aware that he’s now one of the leaders of a “government in waiting”. If an apology could resolve the matter, then appologise he should for the seek of Pakatan Rakyat.
But I think he would not apologise, plus it’s a bit too late now to apologise.
What a costly political mistake!!!
May 11th, 2008 at 09: 29.33
What a costly political mistake!!! - TC33
Yes, Badawi will soon find out to his own regret. Only thing left now is for his deputy to mount an uprising (it`s the month of May after all) like his father once did.
May 11th, 2008 at 09: 31.26
We are confronted by a predator. Self defence supersedes all other considerations.
http://mrsmith2.blogspot.com/2008/04/hang-your-ethics-and-get-bn-lawmakers.html
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 09.06
As usual one of our national newspaper headline Many Malaysians are upset with Kapal but they dare not publish the other headline Many More Malaysians agree with Kapal!
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 20.43
The real winners of PRU 12 turn out to be the Malay rulers.
They call the shot now.
YB LKS did not realize this subtle change and forced to offer a speedy apology to the Perak sultan.
YB Kapal Singh did not learn from LKS, naively and voluntarily gave his comments from a legal stand point against the same sultan, did not apologize and fell into UMNO’s evil trap.
He is a brave oppositionist and a competent lawyer, but definately not a good strategist, nor a team player.
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 27.01
LKS was a different situation from that of Karpal. Not being able to see the difference shows lack of maturity in thought.
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 28.41
We eagerly await Karpal getting hold copies of those police reports lodged and hopefully matters can proceed further.
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 38.51
Hey YB Kit, do not get distracted by this diversionary tactic. AAB is milking this to the max so that all attention will be focussed on this matter and the pressure will be off him to resign.
He knows that he can exploit the feelings on the ground so much so that even the UMNO members that has been screaming for his head will stand behind him if he can persuade them that the institution of the Malay monarchy is threatened.
Make no mistake about it. They will close ranks the moment they perceived that their race is threatened, whether real or imagined and AAB is playing this up. Karpal was silly to play into their hands.
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 47.46
AAB is milking this to the max so that all attention will be focussed on this matter and the pressure will be off him to resign. - Cinapek
Very true. But instead since he started the nonsense, all of a sudden the pressure on Badawi to go drink some fresh orange has suddenly mounted:
I would consider myself a betrayer of my country if I allow this to happen. And those sycophants who fawn before Abdullah will also be betrayers of their country, their people and for Malays, their religion even.
http://sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=22185
Asked what his priorities would be if he got the nominations to contest the Umno presidency and won it and become the Prime Minister, he said unity would be foremost on his mind. “To bring about unity in all aspects of government policies, programmes and even to the NGOs and the political institutions. That should also be the primary concern of everybody,” he said.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/11/nation/21219858&sec=nation
Q: Meaning you are against the 30% quota for anyone to contest the presidency?
A: Yes, I have expressed that because it is undemocratic. Some smart aleck came up with the idea that we should impose a certain quota system that you can only contest if you get a certain number of nominations.
Why do you need a certain quota imposed on them?
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/11/nation/21220305&sec=nation
May 11th, 2008 at 10: 53.15
Karpal Singh also said he would take the next course of action against the Prime Minister if he failed to why he made such a remarks on the matter.
“Abdullah Ahmad is diverting the attention from his own mounting problems within Umno and pressure to step down.”
He said he would raise the matter in Parliament on Monday.
http://bloggingr4life.blogspot.com/2008/05/karpal-singh-in-fear-of-safety.html
May 11th, 2008 at 11: 53.39
karpal mst find a proper way to put tis thing to an end immediately else both the DAP and PR will suffer. sorry is not the hardest word to say now…for the sake of future.
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 22.35
stupid chansellor should be replaced with talented leader from opposition in the earliest convenient. Otherwise, will be fleer by the world.
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 26.08
If a Malay were to say something adverse to the conduct of Sultans it is not sedition, but if a non-malay were to question the leaglity of any actions by the Sultan, it is sedition.
I think racsim is the underpinning idealogy parctised by the UMNOputras. They have no brain cells to govern by any other idealogy. It is time the the non-Malays insisted upon their eqaul rights and be treated a citizens of the country- as Malaysians.
Badawi your reputation in the International scene is a stinker.
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 30.05
It’s a non-issue blown up by Umno.
If this “Prime Minister of All Malaysians” persists on an all-out effort to attack Pakatan Rakyat, he is making a terrible mistake. This is not the way for him to divert attention off his back to calls for him to step down; it may infact be the last nail to his coffin.
He must be reminded whatever he does, they are still coming for him sooner than he thought. So whilst he still has the time, he should live up to what he call himself: “PM of All Malaysians” and show us he deserves it.
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 41.18
Dear YAB LKS
Pls ask PM to explain why not speed up the case on what RPK wrote about & charged for sedition for (wrongfully). Also on the Lingamgate. These cases are being dragged but PM put pressure on Karpal’s case. It’s obvious PM is on a personal vendetta against Karpal - for reasons we all know - Karpal is one of the lawyers in the Mongolian case & no doubt in the background for the Lingam video case. No doubt to the public, these 2 cases are very badly handled & who is to be blamed? If I were the AG, I would resign before being the scapegoat.
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 43.32
Badawi has lost control:
The current leadership is working at cross-purposes and are not united behind the party president. In fact, some leaders have become too powerful, assuming powers that they don’t even have under the party constitution and running roughshod over the grassroots.
http://themalaysianinsider.com/mni/umno-has-to-reform-to-be-relevant.html
May 11th, 2008 at 12: 55.47
If I were the AG, I would resign before being the scapegoat. - pjboy
That`s an interesting observation. But let`s say, if the AG were `working` for an opposing camp, took up the case, and lost it.
For the AG it would be a QED (quite easily done).
Then that would leave Badawi floundering laughing stock, and deeply humiliated as well.
May 11th, 2008 at 14: 46.29
for someone to be truly respected and revered, he/she needs to demonstrate the ultimate capability on a level playing field thus win it to convince everyone, not by declaring supremacy or asking for special rights. throughout human history, promoting inequality will always see the oppressed fight back and everyone loses in the end. wat’s the point of starting a game in the first place then? our enemy should not be within, cherish our fellow countrymen for we work in a team for everyone’s interest in this age of globalisation. i love tis place for its’ true color…regardless of religion..coz
I see your true colors
Shining through
I see your true colors
And that’s why I love you
So don’t be afraid to let them show
Your true colors
True colors are beautiful,
Like a rainbow
May 11th, 2008 at 17: 01.08
They are several key position that are be ing influenced these days by interested parties, it appears that sheriffs have found a pat person already so r fellas in the green.
But those in the black are in the at their cross road now, it up to their conscience , if they have any left, since these bunch does not just happen to be there either.
May 11th, 2008 at 17: 24.43
I am not an expert in Constitution Law, but what The Prime Minister is applying to Yb Karpal Singh should also be applied to the Prime Minister.
With Deepest Respect to their Royal Highnesses , as it is inscribed in the Rukun Negara, that we are subjects and to remain loyal to the Sultan. This i will do and continue to do .
As the Thais do revered The King as demi God.
Someone wrote about it is ok, for malays to say something adverse about the Sultan and not non malays. well. This is political , and racist to the core.
Now, all Malays are Muslims, and Muslims are to sembah to none other than Allah SWT. Did not God created all as equal. But the YAB Prime Minister, with his years of religious study would surely understand that . I think so. I hope so.
In Malaysia, and also many developing ,countries and even Japan, once reverved their Emperor as Divine. This goes against the very element of Islamic teachings. I Hate mixing politics with religion, but since the Premier is perceived as very knowlegeable man and religious man, i like to pose this fundamental question to him than.
Since when have you taken to role of playing God. There is NO COMPARISON , to ALLAH SWT, and by so doing is SYRIK. right?
MY respect and honour to The KING and the SULTANS will remain.
I will remain loyal to the KING and The SULTANS, but my first duty as hamba Allah SWT is to none again than my chosen GOD.
I will liked to be charged for sedition too, and to be charged in the Syariah Court, and be stoned to death. Please take up my offer, YAB Perdana Menteri Malaysia.
May 11th, 2008 at 17: 28.28
YB Karpal Singh,
In the case of YM Raja Petra , the prosecution have 14 witnesess. Dear YB, i can be your witness if you are ever charged.
yours sincerely.
May 11th, 2008 at 19: 01.03
“Someone wrote about it is ok, for malays to say something adverse about the Sultan and not non malays. well. This is political , and racist to the core.” ADAM YONG
I won’t quite put it that way.
Don’t you agree that Sec 3 (c ) and (f) of the Sedition Act do not by definition target the Malays. These provisions are drafted into the Act to prevent non-Malays from questioning the position of Malay Rulers and Malay rights. It is seditious just to raise issues relating to them. Of course, it is all about politics and race.
Would a Malay raising issues involving Article 153 (on which the NEP was grounded), Article 152( national language) and Article 181(Malay Rulers) fall foul of the Sedition Act? Technically speaking, yes. But can you imagine a Malay raising issues pertaining, for example, to the status of the Sultans and the Agong.
May 11th, 2008 at 19: 10.30
“I recall the statement made by the First Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Tuanku Abdul Rahman, when requested by a foreign emissary to sack me from the office of the Prime Minister of Malaya,” said the First Prime Minister and Bapa Merdeka, Tunku Abdul Rahman, on 23 January 1978.
“’Oh, I cannot, for he is appointed by the people and not by me,” replied His Majesty, “On the other hand, he can sack me.’”
“If this system were to change and the Rulers were given the sovereign right and prerogative to rule by the DIVINE RIGHT of kings,” added the Tunku, “then I fear it would be only a question of time before the whole institution was scrapped.”
During the Constitutional Crisis about a decade later, the then Deputy Prime Minister, Ghaffar Baba, said that it is not unlawful to criticise the Rulers. That does not tantamount to sedition. You may not, however, propose that the Monarchy be abolished and for Malaysia to be turned into a Republic, as that would constitute a crime under the Sedition Act.
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/7250/1/
May 11th, 2008 at 19: 13.16
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May 11th, 2008 at 19: 24.56
“Now, all Malays are Muslims, and Muslims are to sembah to none other than Allah SWT. Did not God created all as equal.”
Surat Al-Hujurat, (verse 13)?
“There is no God but God” are both found in the Koran and the Christian Bible. Remember ‘Allah’ is God in the Arabic language.
So you’d argue that everytime a Muslim gathers his hands, raises them clasped together in the position of the ’sembah’ when seeking audience with the Sultan or the Agong or members of the Royalty, he or she is committing a sin?
May 11th, 2008 at 19: 37.37
KUALA LUMPUR, May 11 — When the Abdullah administration makes public the explosive Royal Comm