The personal appearance of the Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Ghani Patail at the Shah Alam Sessions Court yesterday to lay charges against 26 Hindraf supporters for attempted murder of a cop has raised many question.
The first question is why Gani Patail thought it important to appear on an attempted murder charge when he never thought it important to personally handle the high-profile Mongolian Altantunya Shaariibuu murder trial on its 66th day of High Court trial in very same court building in Shah Alam, although the murder trial of the Mongolian woman has far-reaching national and international implications in view of ramifications reaching to the highest government level?
Yesterday, the Shah Alam High Court was told that plastic explosives were placed on three parts of Altantunya Shaariibuu’s body — her head, chest and lower abdomen — before she was blown up when the explosive were detonated simultaneously by using a single detonator connected to all three parts.
Secondly, questions arising from one of disbelief that as many people as 26 people are being charged for the attempted murder of a cop injured in the Batu Caves fracas in connection with the Kuala Lumpur Hindraf demonstration on November 25 , a charge which entailed a maximum 20 years’ jail with fine for the 26 persons.
If the Attorney-General succeeds in his prosecution and in securing maximum sentence, Malaysia will create world history in getting the most number of people sent for life sentence for the attempted murder of a cop — but what a world record!
These troubling thoughts raise the further question as to the real motives of the re-arrest and new charge of attempted murder for 26 people — and whether this is conducive to the larger national objective to de-escalate the tensions caused by the long-standing marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and highlighted by the 30,000-strong Hindraf demonstration on November 25.
Several policemen were hurt in the Hindraf demonstration — including Dadi Abdul Rani, the policeman named in the attempted murder charge of the 26 people, sub-inspector Chew Choon Peng, Sergeant-Major Harjigt Singh and Lance Corporal Razali Redzuan. Many more Hindraf supporters were injured.
Such injuries, whether suffered by policeman or by Hindraf supporters, could and should have been avoided if the police had handled the Hindraf demonstration with professionalism and greater respect for the constitutional rights of Malaysians to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression.
This is why there should be a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Hindraf demonstration, carrying out an objective and professional investigation into the police handling of the Hindraf gathering and the long-standing grievances of the Indian community on their marginalization as full and equal Malaysian citizens, whether in the political, economic, educational, social, cultural or religious sphere.
The Attorney-General should suspend all prosecutions until a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Hindraf demonstration has been set up and come out with its findings. Gani Patail should personally recommend that such a Royal Commission of Inquiry should be set up without any delay.
There is currently a very strange phenomenon in the Barisan Nasional. On Monday, the MIC MP for Cameron Highlands S.K. Devamany let down the Indian community and the Malaysian people when he tendered his regret and apology for saying in Parliament that the 50,000 people at the Hindraf demonstration on Nov. 25 showed the Government’s failure in distributing wealth equally and nation-building.
MIC President and Works Minister, Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu loudly denied that the Malaysian Indians had been marginalized.
But leaders of MCA and Gerakan apparently disagreed with the MIC leaders — as MCA National Vice President and Health Minister, Datuk Chua Soi Lok had gone on public record twice as calling on the government to be responsive to and address the sense of alienation, discrimination and deprivation of the marginalized Indians. A Penang Gerakan Assemblywoman had also expressed similar sentiments about the marginalization of the Malaysian Indians.
The question is why some MCA and Gerakan leaders are prepared to admit that there is serious marginalisation among the Malaysian Indians, which is strenuously denied by the MIC leadership, when h MCA and Gerakan Ministers and leaders are not prepared about the marginalization of the Malaysian Chinese — as they were the most ferocious in attacking Singapore Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew when he made the remark about the marginalization of the the Chinese in Malaysia not so long ago.
Is this solely because MCA and Gerakan leadership are more worried than MIC leaders about the electoral effects of the marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and their frustration when their “cry of desperation” is totally ignored — as there are at least 24 Parliamentary and 38 State Assembly seats in Peninsular Malaysia where Indian voters are more than 10% and can lead to the defeat of Barisan Nasional candidates?
#1 by wits0 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 1:05 am
Yes, Harrison, it takes a certain type of character to imagine that his own contrived actions can be publicly opaque. One would have to be that thick skin and dishonest.
#2 by Jonny on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 1:23 am
I have just read Raja Petra’s article: http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/index.php?itemid=833
I would agree with him. There is more than meets the eye. We have to share this with a lot of our friends, muslims and non-muslims.
What kind of psychology game play the government is doing on us. This is herd mentality. Social psychology at play.
If we play to their game plan – all will be lost. All of us shall be ending up fighting each other and mistrust each other.
#3 by kanthanboy on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 2:17 am
“This is a clear case of racial and religious persecution in Malaysia, just like in the apartheid regime of SA†negarawan
FYI, South Africa has abolished all apartheid legislation in 1991. Nelson Mandela became South Africa’s first black president on 10 May 1994.
Malaysia is the only remaining country in the world that has an apartheid government. The NEP is a de facto apartheid policy under a veiled name.
#4 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 2:53 am
“There are such things as bad laws – this becomes obvious after a while when put to the test by unexpected events.”
There is only poorly drafted legislation – rather than bad law.
Legislation cannot take into consideration all contigencies which oftentimes cannot be predicted or predicted with precision. When the courts interpret the law and the result turns out convoluted and unintended by the legislators, the legislation goes back to the legislative body for amendment.
When interpreting the law judges take into consideration ‘intent’ of Parliament when it passed the particular legislation but in cases when ‘intent’ of Parliament is not as obvious as one would have wished, or gives rise to conflicting interpetations, Parliament will have to amend it. Sometimes it is the language of the law that needs tuning.
If a law is bad it has to be repealed. Bad law cannot be amended.
I believe you are referring to poorly drafted legislation rather than the law itself.
The problem facing the country is not the absence or lack of any particular law or laws, but the will to see the law enforced.
#5 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 3:52 am
It takes a good legislator to pass laws without which a civil society cannot exist. It takes the perfect draftsman to be able to draft laws taking into account all foreseeable circumstances. It takes a courageous judge to admit the law is flawed.
#6 by wits0 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 5:10 am
None of such mentioned people involve seems to inspire that much confidence in Bolehland.
#7 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 6:44 am
Don’t know the facts of what happened on Sunday 25th Nov in Batu Caves except hearsay acount.
However an unusually large crowd might have have assembled at Batu Caves Murugan Temple the night before. “Unusually large †means (say) twice more than the usual numbers experienced in such religious celebrations.
It leads to inference that:-
(a) Some were there solely to celebrate religious festivities unassociated with Hindraf’s call to assemble;
(b) Some probably for both reasons to celebrate religious festivities as well as participate in Hindraf’s assembly;
(c) Maybe some mainly as a gathering point to participate in the assembly.
The fact is you’d never know who was who mingled together and what were motives. However those under (a) were completely innocent of illegal assembly. I would say if one could read others minds whether they belonged to (a)(b) or (c ), then for so long as they were within temple precincts, it must be presumed all were innocent of intention to participate in Hindraf’s assembly.
Situation changed once they assembled outside the temple and didn’t go their own way.
According to account of RPK (MalaysiaToday) (I don’t know true or not)“at 4.00am, when the Indians tried to start their march, they were pushed back into the temple grounds and the gates lockedâ€Â. When you people came out and assembled (rather than go different ways) in large numbers outside the temple at 4 am in the morning, I would say that it is reasonable inference of participation in Hindraf’s rally – which at that point of time and place would be an illegal asembly (in sense no permit) and defence under (a) becomes implausible….
The police under these circumstances had the right to disperse such an assembly by use of reasonable force if their calls to disperse were not heeded. (What is reasonable force, and whether using chemical laced water canons and canisters of tear gas is such or not such is a matter of opinion which I don’t think it is necessary to express in context of the real issues in contention).
Had the stones or rocks been thrown by persons in such an assembly at FRUs and police injuring them, these persons singly or in concert throwing such objects, will – I suppose – be guilty of committing offence of grievous hurt or even aggravated battery/assault on law enforecement personel.
It is no defence to say that it was a response to the police were shooting water canons and tear gas when the latter acts were within “reasonable force†to stop and disperse an illegal assembly.
To say that it was an attempt to murder, that I think is a trifle far fetched. Such a charge was formulated and the AG is personally prosecuting the case to deliver the signal that the government would tolerate no such behaviour (in the demonstrations to come) and intend to use the 26 as deterrent to prove the point.
Now the situation and conclusions would radically change in another scenario : ie when massive show of police force had pushed all illegal assemblers back into the temple precincts and grounds and the gates were locked and people trapped inside.
What should the FRUs/police do? I would say nothing. They had done their job. They had stopped an illegal assembly.
Even if they had failed to disperse the crowd, they were contained with the assembly confined within the temple grounds.
In such a case (here again if RPK’s account were to be believed) if the police (as alleged) shot into the temple grounds “with volley after volley of tear gas until they ran out of stock, with new supplies were brought in”, this would, I imagine, constitute unlawful police brutality.
It was hardly a necesary act to contain a problem – tyhe illegal asembly was already prevented from proceeding – it was an act to punish people trapped within a confined area because they had intended to participate in Hindraf’s rally.
That the area is a temple ground, made these acts (to devotees) sacrilegious, and to other faithfuls, tantamount descrecrating a place of worship.
Had the fracas (rock and stone throwing) occurred within the temple precincts – or even if the rock throwers were within and law enforcement personel were outside (separated by gate), such offence of rock throwing might arguably be excused or mitigated substantially as a kind of self defence against unlawful assault and punishment of a group of people trapped within temple grounds.
Never mind this group had originally intended to participate in an illegal asembly but they were no more now, the assembly had been stopped, they were confined in an area together with other innocent bystanders within the precincts whose presence within might entirely be for worship, having nothing to do with the assembly. Yes I think those locked in within the temple grounds, injured by police action, could try redress by civil suit under these circumstances.
This would not extend to those ‘heroes’ who climbed the gates, scaled the walls to go outside to purposely battle the police with rocks and stones in retaliation for the police actions.
#8 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 6:56 am
Sorry typo error: -
….”I would say EVEN if one could read others minds whether they belonged to (a)(b) or (c )…”
…”When people (NOT “you” people) came out and assembled (rather than go different ways) in large numbers outside the temple at 4 am in the morning”….
#9 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 7:10 am
The above proceeds on the assumption that it would be the role of law enforcement personel to use reasonable force to stop or disperse an illegal assembly – and that it is not the proper role of law enforcement personel to punish would-be assemblers (mixed with innocent people) confined within an area locked after the assembly had been stopped and otherwise prevented.
Of course law enforcement’s excuse is that if they don’t punish this crowd by ‘softening’ them wityh chemical laced spray and tear gas, this crowd would unlock the gates and so come out to assemble again in defiance of police orders.
#10 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 8:00 am
Jeffrey QC,
The question to ask is when did the devotees at the temple to celebrate a religious event stop being devotees there for the event, and when did they become active participants of an illegal assembly.
This reminds me of what my lecturer said about the crime of rape. You do not need to withdraw (first penetration was with consent) and attempt a fresh penetration (without consent) before it could be called ‘rape’.
There were people who gathered at the temple to attend a religious event. Many among them later became participants to an illegal assembly. The police does not need to know the exact time i.e. at the gates or outside the gates to deem them participants of an illegal assembly.
It appears that they were pushed back into the temple ground because it was thought easier to control the crowd from the other side of the temple gates. However, the firing of tear gas into the compound didn’t seem necessary for that purpose.
The FRU were doing their duty at crowd control the way they were trained to do.
Those caught throwing stones at the police resulting in physcial injuries to them woud be prima facie liable for battery and assault with intent to cause grevious bodily harm. Attempted murder? Can you kill someone with a stone thrown from a distance? It goes to intent to kill (the mens rea element of the offence of murder) which has to be proved.
Like I said earlier, the prosecutor frames these charges in the alternative as they are allowed to do. Finding them guilty of the offences they were charged with is something else. But with attempted murder included, the bail of $10k is not unreasonably high. The punishment is in the incarceration pending trial for being unable to put up bail.
#11 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 8:04 am
“This would not extend to those ‘heroes’ who climbed the gates, scaled the walls to go outside to purposely battle the police with rocks and stones in retaliation for the police actions.” Jeffery
Wow!! Was that what happened?
#12 by Jimm on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 8:53 am
The worst that oneself can find from people that seated on high authority that are actually ‘puppet’ and lifeless soul. yet can pretend that he praying the Almighty like many does.
#13 by stk on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 8:54 am
This AG joker was stripped naked at the ICJ over the Batu Putih by the Singaporeans.Looks like typical bolehland attitude ,never bother to do research and take short cut the easy way out.By the way what is his son doing in the Hague ?Free holiday?
#14 by boh-liao on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 10:46 am
We now have father and son (A-G Gani Patail’s son in The Hague)team, besides the FIL and SIL team. Malaysia boleh.
#15 by Godfather on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 11:20 am
This is clearly a case of intimidation and selective prosecution. They can’t charge the hardcore protestors with illegal assembly or causing public mischief or failing to disperse in accordance with police instructions. These charges would probably result in a RM100 fine for each protestor, or a RM200 bail if any protestor wishes to contest the charge. No, they have to use a much more severe charge so that it becomes a non-bailable offence or an offence that requires really hefty bail amounts. That way, they keep the protestors behind bars even in the knowledge that the prosecution can never prove the charges against the protestors.
The AG is taking a personal interest because this has shaken the entire foundation of UMNO. The Altantuya case is just a minor irritant that will eventually go away with shoddy prosecution.
#16 by Godfather on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 11:22 am
I agree with a writer here that the protestors should all file a suit against the government for whatever grounds that you can think of – failure to allow access to a place of worship, criminal intimidation, causing bodily harm, desecration of a place of worship, etc etc.
#17 by Godfather on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 2:30 pm
Now it appears that the court has denied bail “due to the severity of the charges” involved. It is very clear that this is the objective of the government from the outset. It sends a simple message to you and I: You can protest all you want, but we can also charge you with some severe crimes which are enough to deny you bail. In a first world country, there will be huge public outcry if the courts can’t see through the frivolity of the government charges. In Bolehland, where the police, the courts, the prosecution and the mainstream media are all extensions of the government, we protest at our own risks. We protest and they trump up the charges and there is literally nothing that we can do.
The only way now is for 500,000 of us to be prepared to go to jail for trumped-up charges and see if there are enough jails to hold us.
#18 by Daniel Quah on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 3:53 pm
the different is then again…the Mongalia case defender is Malay…while the Hindraf is Indian…so kena tunjuk Ketuanan Melayu for you folk out there la…Cabar Malays, give you 20 yrs sentences to jail…deal or no deal…?
#19 by taxpayer on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 4:39 pm
26 people attempted to murder 1 person. What about the 300 to 400 FRU personels attempted to kill the thousands locked up in the temple compound?
#20 by cheng on soo on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 5:05 pm
Hei, problem lah! 500,000 people, 20 years, food n accomaodation n jaga them properly, berapa lah, Ah.. 1 day 1 people, RM30, then RM30 X 365 X 20 X 500,000 = RM 109,500 million (kurang kurang lah), like that no money for ‘mega project lah’ !
#21 by Ms. Chindian on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 5:28 pm
why is all this happening? I am ashamed to say that our court is so prejudiced. Instead of sending those innocent people who want justice peacefully, what about rapists and real crime committers?
#22 by cheng on soo on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 5:30 pm
Just see, 26 persons (empty hand) pick up whatever stones inside the temple, throw at a polis man (well arm) standing among at least 200 FRU, Rela etc, may be 30 ft away. with intend to murder, (eh, why we use this way to murder lah! should have a better way to murder a person lah)
1. size of stones,
2. 26 persons, never trained to aim n throw stone before
3. that one polis man, probably, well arm, n well protected by shield n his 200 well arm colleagues.
Eh, I not clever enaf lah, confuse lah! why wan to murder a person this way lah ! maybe we cipta another feat for “Guiness Book of Record”. We all BOLEH mah!
#23 by benny on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 5:59 pm
Long time ago when i was abroad was very proud with my country.But with todays scenario wondering where this country goin to end with this malay supremacy attitude.Charging 26 of them under attempted murder is blatant power abuse.Wht abt the FRU shooting tear gas and water canon to the crowd in the temple premises?This gov is really testing the patience of the indians,MY VOTE WILL BE FOR OPPOSITIONS THIS ELECTION.
#24 by NOT DUMB MALAYSIAN on Thursday, 6 December 2007 - 10:18 pm
THE MAKING OF A “THEM AND US CULTRURE†IN MALAYSIA.
The charge of attempted murder against the26 hindraf demonstrators is no or no more than the BN’s of government resources to harass them.
Prolonging the day’s trial for 9 hours is so transparent a harassment
The instructions to harass must have come from very high up. While they cannot destroy the spirit of Hindraf, they use these procedures to punish them. No allowing bail is just another instance. Just imagine, the international free press will have a hey day in reporting this.
That the instructions to harass these Hindraf supporters must have come from the top. Having Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail 5o prosecute is so blatantly using the weight of the Chambers to punish. And the punishment are meted out administratively without a single shred of evidence tendered in court. Clearly the instruction must be to use all and every mean to harass including\ filing for a judicial review of he discharge of he three lawyers in Klang.
Do these people not know that this type of crude tactics only harden the resolve of the people. History has shown that the will of the people can be suppressed but not destroyed. More importantly, these developments lead to the polarisation of the people. They can only be damning to the BN’s chances in the next election. When the results are out, they will learn what they have done. ere is now a Them and Us Culture which is developing exponentially in Malaysia. Those who support hindraf belongs to the US camp and those who are speaking against free speech and the freedom of assembly.
We Malaysians not that dumb those who are appointed to uphold justice in this country are now lackeys in the punishment of accused who are guilty before they are properly tried.
In the past, the communists were blamed for all things wrong. Now this clutch blame device is no longer available, they blame it on the oppositions. If the oppositions can orchestrate this country-wide boiling discontent, they will have no problem winning the next general election.
What’s next?? Teh FRU swooping on a chuerg gathering on the ground that they were practising apostasy contrary to the tenets of an ISLAMIC COUNTRY.
#25 by undergrad2 on Friday, 7 December 2007 - 12:53 am
“I agree with a writer here that the protestors should all file a suit against the government for whatever grounds that you can think of – failure to allow access to a place of worship, criminal intimidation, causing bodily harm, desecration of a place of worship, etc etc.” GODFATHER
Before you file any lawsuit against the other party, there must first be a cause of action, then prima facie evidence of the the wrong committed e.g. breach of constitutional right or rights if it involves the Constitution, or unlawful use of force resulting in physical injuries.
“These charges would probably result in a RM100 fine for each protestor, or a RM200 bail if any protestor wishes to contest the charge. No, they have to use a much more severe charge so that it becomes a non-bailable offence or an offence that requires really hefty bail amounts. That way, they keep the protestors behind bars…”
The judge will need to rule as to the charges whether some of them are frivolous and vexatious and strike these out. Will the judge do so and strike the ‘attempted murder’ charge out? I don’t think so.
#26 by NOT DUMB MALAYSIAN on Friday, 7 December 2007 - 11:12 am
INTINIMATION – CHARRGING HIDNRAF FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER: THE Making of a Them and Us Culture in Malaysia.
Besides the question of the prosecution’s ability [which is doubted as nothing can come out of sheer fabrications] to prove beyond reasonable doubt that these 31 charged harboured the intention to murder, most non-dumb Malaysians would dismiss this wild and unsubstantiated step of a desperate BN who finds that the traditional methods are not sufficient to quell the boiling cauldron of discontent. The Bar Council demonstrations, BERSIH and Hindraf are not racial in nature . It is a vociferous cry of damnation by the public of injustices after 50 years of merdeka
What would common law lawmakers around the world think of this ludicrous ‘Instant Charge’. The lawmakers from other common law jurisdictions would probably carefully assemble their situation, assemble the evidence and documents and after due consideration frame the charge. This charge of attempted murder demonstrate BN’s failing and desperate and sad stance of containing the boiling cauldron of discontent that is rocking the contrary. Does the AG not learn that the governrntal agencies will not be that pliant and echo the wishes of of the AG. The Klang court throwing out the sedition charges makes this abundantly clear. Yet this is not clear for the AG and yet again more of its resources are diverted to Hindraf in its process fo intimation bdy the filing of a judicial review. What aboutt the files concerning offences against the public outstanding in the AG chambers. They are put on hold while the AG goes on a holy crusade to silence Malaysians.
The charge of attempted murder against the 31 Hindraf demonstrators is no more than the BN’s use of governmental resources [intended fro the general public to harass them. It is the crudest form of intimation. When the powers that be find that charging these demonstrators for unlawful assembly, does not work. They talk of the ISA – a perennial favorite instrument for repression of the Malaysians first practised by the British and now adopted gratefully by BN to intimate the public. Then there is talk of the Police investigating the possible sedition in blog postings [Sun 6 Dec]. There is then the laughable suggestion that international terrorist groups are supporting Hindraf..
BUSH WRING HIS HAND WITH GLEE –D DDIARAQ WMP AND IRAN BOMB. SAME VEIN
Prolonging the day’s trial for 9 hours is so transparent a harassment and revulse all Malaysians
The instructions to harass must have come from very high up. While they cannot destroy the spirit of Hindraf, they use these procedures to punish them. No allowing bail is just another instance. Just imagine, the international free press will have a hey day in reporting this.
That the instructions to harass these Hindraf supporters must have come from the top. Having Attorney-General Abdul Gani Patail 5o prosecute is so blatantly using the weight of the Chambers to punish. And the punishment are meted out administratively without a single shred of evidence tendered in court. Clearly the instruction must be to use all and every mean to harass including\ filing for a judicial review of he discharge of he three lawyers in Klang.
Do these people not know that this type of crude tactics only harden the resolve of the people. History has shown that the will of the people can be suppressed but not destroyed. More importantly, these developments lead to the polarisation of the people. They can only be damning to the BN’s chances in the next election. When the results are out, they will learn what they have done. ere is now a Them and Us Culture which developing exponentially in Malaysia. Those who support hindraf belongs to the US camp and those who are speaking against free speech and the freedom of assembly in the THEM camp.
We Malaysians not that dumb to see that those who are appointed to uphold justice in this country are exploited for a political reason and are mere pawn pieces in the punishment of accused who are guilty before they are properly tried.
In the past, the communists were blamed for all things wrong. Now this clutch blame device is no longer available, they blame it on the oppositions. If the oppositions can orchestrate this country-wide boiling discontent, they will have no problem winning the next general election. We Malaysians are not THAT DUMB.
Never in the history of Malaysia during election year has the ruling party thrown down the gauntlet and challenge the Malaysians public to take up the cudgels on behalf of the dispossessed and repressed section of society. Now there is the IGP’s suggestion a la Bush [ Star 6 dec] that the International terrorists support Hindraf. This will make Bush, that inventor of the phantom weapons of mass destruction [WMD]wring his hand in glee. Blame t on Al Qaeda and all your problems are resolved. Just point your finger and the situation magically resolve itself. Where is the hard fact that support the IGP’s preposterous suggestion. Did he get any tip off from the CIA or the Interpol. The police, notorious for their corruption dd[ endorsed by the BN] and inefficiency has suddenly come up with these suggestions to prepare public opinion when the authority use the ISA to support the legitimate voice of the people.
#27 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 8 December 2007 - 5:46 am
“There is then the laughable suggestion that international terrorist groups are supporting Hindraf..”
It is not so laughable when you have a HINDRAF leader telling audience overseas that he cannot rule out violence by HINDRAF supporters, and looks to monks in Myanmar as role models! I am not saying those monks are terrorists.
But when you have an Indian professor and an influential Indian columnist with a leading newspaper in India quoted as saying that “The dirt-poor, seething Malaysian Tamils…. are ideal recruiting material for a local variant of the LTTE†(an organization labeled as “terrorist†by the U.S.) it ceases to be a laughing matter!
#28 by KS R on Monday, 10 December 2007 - 12:31 am
Hi Boss
Altantunyaâ case AG cannot attend because the local and the world knows the true story.
2nd from my friend
Denison Jayasooria talks big that the goverment has done alot for
indians. Todate all these government have been only claiming
that goverment has done alot for indians. Well if they have why dont
you fools give us a breakdown on the following and stop talking
through the wrong head
1. how many indians have been given government scholarships
2. how many indian students have been given places in universities
3. how many hindu temples have been given goverment grant or land
and amount of money to build
4. how many estates have been upgraded
5. how many extreme poor indians receive welfare and how much each
family receives
6. how many indians hold senior positions in goverment departments
7. how many indians are employed by the goverment
8. how many indian companies are given goverment contracts
There are many more questions but lets start with those mentioned
above are they are the most crucial in the uplifting of the status
of indians.
If you can provide the details, then we can see the truth, if you
cant just keep your mouth shut and dont tell lies for your own
selfish benefit. Shame on you.
You are a disgrace to your own people. With you,
the indian community does not need any enemies.
The facts speaks for itself. It is not enough to claim things, proof
it with facts and figures.
My friend cannot scold him pocket sudah penoh atau remote control talk
#29 by Godamn Singh on Tuesday, 11 December 2007 - 6:10 am
NOT DUMB M’SAN SAYS:
“The Bar Council demonstrations, BERSIH and Hindraf are not racial in nature”
But I thought the HINDRAF demonstrators are all Tamil Indians??? Is there a white Tamil?
#30 by tunglang on Thursday, 13 December 2007 - 1:04 am
“There are such things as bad laws – this becomes obvious after a while when put to the test by unexpected events.â€
There is only poorly drafted legislation – rather than bad law.
In Malaysia, we see laws drafted, enforced, manipulated and interpreted to the self interest of certain parties to achieve their devious goals. Then they become bad, bad laws.
One doesn’t have to go to law schools to understand that.
Even our lawyers in the know have to take that March to Putrajaya, what does that mean??
#31 by ktteokt on Saturday, 15 December 2007 - 8:52 am
I simply don’t understand why so many witnesses were required for the Altantunya case. Actually, we only need to examine two key witnesses, i.e. the policewoman who escorted the deceased and the guy in charge of the ammunition department.
The policewoman had been with the deceased and was responsible for delivering her in court. She should very well know what was done to the deceased before her body was blown up. Get the truth from her!!!!
The guy in charge of the ammunition department should keep proper records of all ammunition coming in and going out and by just giving the lame excuse of “I was careless” in court was simply an irresponsible answer. The explosive used to blow up the body was not common and seldom used. So get the records straight, how much was there before any purchase was made, how much has been taken out and by whom and how much is the balance. This is simple costing and the guy in charge of the ammunition department should be able to provide such information. That would have concluded the case but they have taken so much time and called so many witnesses just to set up a smoke screen.