Teoh Beng Hock inquest begins

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Inquest adj till tmr
08/05/2009 01:36 PM

Lawyers 4TBH need time 2bring their experts
08/05/2009 01:18 PM

Site visit on friday Coroner decides 2finish last early witness Rahman security officer Plaza n adjourn 4tmr 4expert testimony
08/05/2009 01:15 PM

Lunch break 4 inquest. 1 more early witness left 4 prosecution b4 going into expert evidence chemist pathology
08/05/2009 01:10 PM

Gobind crossexamines witness. Wan Rosli fumbles in answers abt early-hr MACC comings n goings at @ PlazaM. Does not verify MACC ppl.
08/05/2009 12:59 PM

Shown CCTV shots. Don’t know 1 person shown but recognise two persons from MACC
08/05/2009 12:36 PM

5th witness Wan Rosli PlazaM security guard on duty 4th fl lobby tower bloc w CCTV from 12 midnite until 4 am 16/7/09.
08/05/2009 12:33 PM

Inquest resumes w 4th witness in box n Karpal as lead counsel 4TBH fmly
08/05/2009 12:08 PM

Karpal just arrived Brief adjourn 4 wheelchair-bound Karpal 2get into ct TBH mother in ct 2follow inquest as she is not witness like othrs
Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:52 AM

Forensics IPK was informed.
Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:45 AM

4th witness police kpl Abdul Karim IPD gerakan on date/time in question recd phone from Khairul of corpse @ PlazaM suspected suicide
Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:37 AM

He informed police @ 1.53pm n police came in 8 – 10 mins He covered body w black plastic but did not touch corpse
08/05/2009 11:25 AM

3rd witness Khairul described how he had 2access 5th flr security corridor thru mall roof n saw a male corpse leaning 2right w dried blood
08/05/2009 11:17 AM

Karpal only discharged yest from 8day hospitalisation but despite his serious condition causing fmly n party worries he wants justice 4TBH
08/05/2009 11:08 AM

Inquest resuming Karpal coming over from Federal Ct Putrajaya 2head lawyers team 4 TBH fmly
08/05/2009 11:05 AM

97 witnesses lined up but probably only 36 will be called 15 days fixed 4inquest
08/05/2009 10:43 AM

3rd witness 2b Khairul. Inquest having short break
08/05/2009 10:23 AM

Ridzuan did not have proper look at corpse as he panicked n ran 2contact his superior Azmi who came with Khairul of security
08/05/2009 10:14 AM

Service corridor @5th floor not accessible 2public except thru an office n a grill
08/05/2009 09:57 AM

Blood on TBH had dried Used walkie-talkie 2inform security superior Lodged police rpt next day Identified many fotos produced byTanHockChuan
08/05/2009 09:53 AM

When I went 2chk found an inert body n reported 2superiors
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

2nd witness Ridzuan maintenance technician @ Plaza M abt 2pm got call from Siti person lying 5th fl service corridor in suspicious manner
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

1st witness a woman guard at 19th fl Plaza Massala testified shortly she sighted a body lying on 5th floor around 1pm on date of TBH death
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

Early witnesses will b on toxicology n DNA rpts
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

Gobind in ct – Tan Boon Wah n Lee Wye Wing DNA tests show no match with those found on TBH
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

157 DNA specimens taken including all MACC police forensic staff cleaners
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

DNA tests completed including Tan n Lee accused by a black blog of Teoh’s murder Understands no match in all DNA tests
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

At Shah Alam inquest into TeohBengHock’s mysterious death at MACC July 16 Inquest begins
about 2 hours ago from TwitterBerry

  1. #1 by Joshua on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 3:58 pm

    What does this mean when 157 samples for DNA and only 97 witnesses?

    Another sham???

    DNA samples provided

    Earlier, Gobind said that Kajang councillor Tan Boon Wah and one Lee Wye Wing have provided their DNA sample to investigators, but that these did not match the DNA found on Teoh’s blazer and belt.

    Hock Chuan had told the coroner today that 157 samples swabs have been taken from officers in Selangor MACC, police personnel, forensics personnel, cleaners, witnesses and two members of the public.

    pw: woodruff Dec:’31

  2. #2 by yhsiew on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 5:29 pm

    Earlier, Gobind said that Kajang councillor Tan Boon Wah and one Lee Wye Wing have provided their DNA sample to investigators, but that these did not match the DNA found on Teoh’s blazer and belt. – Joshua

    Since Tan Boon Wah and Lee Wye Wing were not involved in Teoh’s death, police should investigate the ‘black blog’ and find out who the author is as he may well be Teoh’s murderer who attempted to divert public attention to Tan and Lee after committed the murder.

  3. #3 by ekompute on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 5:43 pm

    yhsiew :
    Since Tan Boon Wah and Lee Wye Wing were not involved in Teoh’s death, police should investigate the ‘black blog’ and find out who the author is as he may well be Teoh’s murderer who attempted to divert public attention to Tan and Lee after committed the murder.

    What talking you? Since Tan Boon Wah and Lee Wye Wing are not UMNO members, who cares? Don’t you know that Malaysian police practise selective prosecution and is an arm of UMNO, just like UMNO Youth and Wanita UMNO?

  4. #4 by Joshua on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 8:06 pm

    Lets give some good views here.

    Even with 157 samples, the ‘murderers’ or the ‘ones’ on the clothing of deceased still not identified. So it is reasonable to assume that the people involved would never be found.

    So MACC would be cleared as we need conclusive evidence to identify the persons involved and DNA is the conclusive item when Police has yet to come out with its own investigation report.

    So it likely to be held in suspense.

    If there have identified the ‘two persons’ via the DNA, the inquest should stop wasting times and zoom into that.

    only 15 days for 97 witnesses and today it is half day and tomorrow it is a site visit. So how many witnesses would be called in 15 days?

    I believe there are ‘spiritual bodyguards’ partime or on contract with all Government departments and agencies. Such persons not on the official payroll would be handy men for ‘dirty ‘jobs too.

    As Najib promised the family – no stone unturned- and this aspect of ‘bomohs’ should be examined.

    BTW, how much did it cost the taxpayers for those 157 DNA examinations and this is part of the illegal Government’s profligacy. Very expensive evil drama.

    pw: 173-man bowel

  5. #5 by Jaswant on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 8:07 pm

    when witness sec guard saw corpse, corpse not breathing suspicious also blood on floor very suspicious.b4 corpse was seen at 4thfloor walking.

  6. #6 by Joshua on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 8:53 pm

    Wan Rosli is inconsistent or he lied about the records.
    If there were no records of visitors, how did Wan Rosli know this?
    Wan Rosli: There were three officers from KDN (the Home Ministry), sometime after midnight but they occupy another floor.

    This is posted from M’kini

    Witness: No recording of ins and outs

    Wan Rosli also said that he did not record particulars of any visitors to the building during his night watch.

    He said that although there was a visitors’ log-book at the lobby, the MACC officers were not required to fill in particulars whenever they brought in someone.

    He was responding to a question from lawyer Gobind Singh Deo, representing Teoh’s family.

    Gobind: When you see the visitors entering or leaving the building at such odd hours, did you not take their particulars? Their purpose of the visit? And where they are heading to?

    Wan Rosli: No, I agree I did not take down their particulars (photo:left).

    Gobind: How regular in a week is it that the MACC officers would go in and out of Plaza Masalam office (at such late hours)?

    Wan Rosli: Once or twice a week.

    Gobind: Isn’t this odd that MACC is working at these hours?

    Wan Rosli: I know they operate for 24 hours.

    Gobind: Can you state how many outsiders were brought in by MACC officers that night?

    Wan Rosli: I do not know.

    Gobind: Besides MACC officers, who came in late that night?

    Wan Rosli: There were three officers from KDN (the Home Ministry), sometime after midnight but they occupy another floor.

    Gobind: Did your security firm conduct an internal investigation after the incident?

    Wan Rosli: No.

    pw: Attica halberd

  7. #7 by Joshua on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 8:57 pm

    From M’kini

    There were 10 Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) officers in the Selangor headquarters between 8pm on July 15 and 8am on July 16, the day political aide Teoh Beng Hock died.

    so if according to earlier info, Teoh died between 8.30 am and 9.30 am when all these 10 officers already left. So there were only ghosts there after 8 a,m.

    pw: gareth Aladoh

  8. #8 by YK Leong on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 9:00 pm

    Brother Kit Siang, site visit will be on 7 July 2009. Watch out for the relevant tell tale signs as mentioned in my notes faxed to Ipoh DAP.

  9. #9 by Joshua on Wednesday, 5 August 2009 - 9:02 pm

    From M’kini

    Wait and see if there is a log book tomorrow.

    Coroner wants the visitors’ log book

    Meanwhile, Abdul Rahman told the inquest that he manned the lobby counter between 4am and 8am and saw some of the MACC officers leaving the building.

    Among them were the MACC assistant director as well as the last officer said to have seen Teoh alive. The latter had left at 6.10am.

    Coroner Azmil Muntapha Abas at the conclusion of today’s inquest instructed Abdul Rahman to bring the visitors’ log-book tomorrow.

    Earlier, Azmil asked the investigating officer as to who was in possession of the log-book and was told the police did not have it.

    pw: gushers April

  10. #10 by YK Leong on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 12:29 am

    Correction, please:- 7 July 2009 should be read as 7 August 2009.

  11. #11 by House Victim on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 12:59 am

    1. According to http://mmail.com.my/content/8390-death-teoh-beng-hock-qa-federal-macc-director-investigations-datuk-mohd-shukri-abdul
    On 16/7, MACC Director of Investigation advised
    a) Teoh was interrogated from 5:30pm to 3:45am and no one would have witness Teoh after 4pm.
    b) He was not sure of the cause of death
    c) He “does not think” there is CCTV in MACC building.
    d) He said said that “we have no witness” after 4am.
    The Questions are:
    a) Who had interrogated Teoh and who was the last seeing him on 4pm and where?
    b) Should Teoh be allowed to be alone after 3:45am wondering around in the building?
    3. Only on 20/7 that the Police had seized some Documents and CCTV from MACC. So,
    The Questions are:
    a) What are the list of those documents and CCTV. Had the Police got the list signed on receipt of all these? And, if MACC had signed to confirm what they had allowed the Police to take away?
    b) Any Statement been taking from those interrogating Teoh and those who were in the building during the Interrogating period?
    c) Did MACC keep track on who were on duty during the period?
    3. The Inquest now showing CCTV for period 12midnite to 4pm.
    a) Shouldn’t the CCTV be operating 24hours a day. Therefore, there should exist the recording for the period from Teoh into MACC until the time when the Police seized the CCTV.
    b) Under MACC Act, MACC is deemed to be operating 24 hours. Or, should it be at least some one on duty at night?
    c) Should the Security Guard be instructed to get every to ign and out during off office hours and not to have “agreed” not to sign?
    4. a) The CCTV and the recording should be sealed and subject to Expert examination.
    b) The list of MACC personnel on duty during the period should be there.
    5. From the DNA report on the belt or other objects, how many people should be involved?
    6. What are the relationships of those 157 people or 97 witness to this case?
    Did the Police provided the 97 witness statement?

  12. #12 by HJ Angus on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 6:28 am

    The recording of MACC’s officers access or exit from the official place of work provides a convenient(?) loophole for mischevous elements to operate for whatever purpose.
    I thought the former ACA had a “major makeover” but it appears that they spent most of the monies on nice offices and stationery with no improvements to procedures.

  13. #13 by HJ Angus on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 6:29 am

    sorry typo:

    first line should read:

    The lack of recording of MACC’s…….

  14. #14 by k1980 on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 9:42 am

    TBH’s family must be given a list of all the MPs who voted for the formation of the macc in 2008 so that they may hit the list with their shoes while chanting curses when observing the coming 7th Chinese Lunar Month.

  15. #15 by Joshua on Thursday, 6 August 2009 - 3:27 pm

    from Mkini
    No adrenalin test done

    [Joshua says why not done?]

    Questioned over broken window lock

    A new witness, Saiful Fazamil Mohd Ali, 34, from the forensic division of the Chemist Department, was asked to match these items to Teoh.

    Teoh’s blood-stained trousers was also shown in court when it was tendered as evidence.

    Saiful also said that the part of a window lock found near Teoh’s body was similar to the ones attached to the windows at the 14th floor, the floor where Teoh was questioned by the MACC.

    However he was unable to confirm if the broken portion was actually from the 14th follow.

    When pushed by Gobind, Saiful said: “I went to the scene not to investigate but to understand the scene”.

    [Joshua says How did the trouser got cut and blood stain if the window parts got no blood?]

    No entries in log book.

    [Joshua says even I went to MACC, KK in February 2009, I had to sign the attendance book for delivering documents only not to give any staement or interrogation, and so that real log book must have been destroyed to cover up the grievous crime]

    pw: Janigo bartlett

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