Disgust at the new low in politics

The Royal Address was a valedictory address to the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, when the Yang di-Pertuan Agong at the end of his address touched on the transition of leadership of the country, with the hand-over of the premiership to the Deputy Prime Minister next month.

The Yang di-Pertuan Agong recorded appreciation to the Prime Minister for his leadership and contribution, mentioning specifically to issues concerning “democracy, accountability, integrity, the fight against corruption, strengthening the judiciary and the application of Islamic Hadhari approach”.

To the majority of Malaysians, Abdullah’s tenure as the fifth Prime Minister will be remembered more for its missed opportunities than any real achievements.

We are told that a second stimulus package in the form of a mini-budget would be presented in Parliament on March 10 to boost the country’s economy, when more than four months ago, I had called on the new Finance Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak to present a revised 2,009 Budget to take corrective measures to shield the country from the world’s worst economic crisis in 80 years so as to enhance competitiveness, boost growth and tamp down inflation. A missed opportunity.

We are told of a Cabinet Committee to Identify and Monitor the Participation of Indian Community in Government Programmes and Projects chaired by the Deputy Prime Minister, when immediately after the landslide Barisan Nasional March 2004 general election, I had called for a high-powered Cabinet Committee to present a blueprint in the first meeting of Parliament to address the long-standing issues of marginalisation and alienation faced by Indian Malaysians in the country and to bring the Indian Malaysians into the mainstream of national development – political, economic, educational, social, cultural and all other aspects of the nation-building process. Another missed opportunity.

Immediately after the March 8 political tsunami in last year’s general election which swept away the Barisan Nasional’s hitherto unbroken two-thirds parliamentary majority and power in five states, the Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said that he had heard the “strong message” of the voters, conceding:

“The result of the elections was a strong message that I have not moved fast enough in pushing through with the reforms that I had promised to undertake.

“I thank the Malaysian people for this message. Point made and point taken,”

However, Abdullah missed the whole point of the March 8 electoral verdict – not that he had “not moved fast enough” in reforms he pledged more than four years ago, but that he had hardly moved at all apart from periodically paying lip-service to them!

With Abdullah entering into his last 40 days of his premiership, it is clear that his premiership, forcibly ended by an unholy compact in the Umno leadership without any consultation or reference whatsoever to the other Barisan Nasional component parties – highlighting continued Umno hegemony and its role as the “bully” in Barisan Nasional – the country is presented with further examples of missed opportunities to bring about genuine reforms to strengthen the country’s foundations in nation-building, democracy, accountability, transparency, integrity, the fight against corruption, the just rule of law, a truly independent judiciary and good governance.

A day before the first meeting of the new Cabinet on 26th March 2008, I had sent an urgent fax to the Prime Minister on the eight matters which the new Cabinet should give priority to show that the second Abdullah administration is prepared to respond to the March 8 political tsunami and be on top of the changes demanded by Malaysians, viz:

  1. Immediate and unconditional release of the five Hindraf leaders, P. Uthayakumar, newly-elected DAP Selangor State Assemblyman for Kota Alam Shah M. Manoharan, V. Ganabatirau, R. Kenghadharan and T. Vasantha Kumar from Internal Security Act (ISA) detention as their only “offence” was to voice out the legitimate grievances of the long-standing marginalization of the Malaysian Indians and which had been vindicated by the March 8 general election results.
  2. Restoration of national and international confidence in the independence, integrity and quality of the judiciary with the establishment of a Judicial Appointments Commission and a Royal Commission into the two decades of judicial crises starting with the arbitrary and unconstitutional sacking of Tun Salleh Abas as Lord President and Datuk George Seah and the late Tan Sri Wan Suleiman Pawanteh as Supreme Court judges in 1988.
  3. First-World Parliament – full commitment to comprehensive parliamentary reform and modernization including a full Select Committee system headed by Parliamentarians where every Ministry is shadowed by a Select Committee.
  4. All-out drive to eradicate corruption with the elevation of the Anti-Corruption Agency as an autonomous agency answerable only to Parliament.
  5. Leadership by example on integrity by Ministers, Deputy Ministers, Chief Ministers, Mentris Besar, MPs and State Assembly members, including public declaration of assets, end of discrimination in allocation of constituency development allocations to Opposition elected representatives, eradication of money politics as its use to induce defections and electoral reforms for free, fair and clean elections.
  6. Full implementation of the 125 recommendations of the Royal Police Commission to create an efficient, incorruptible, professional world-class police service to reduce crime, eradicate corruption and uphold human rights, particularly the establishment of an Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC).
  7. All-party inquiry to enhance Malaysia’s international competitiveness to enable the country to successfully face the challenges of globalization.
  8. Public inquiry into the RM4.6 billion Port Klang Free Zone (PKFZ) bailout scandal to demonstrate the new Government’s commitment to accountability, transparency, integrity and good governance.

Efforts had been made to address two of the eight points I highlighted, like the establishment of the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) and the Judicial Appointments Commission (JAC) but both are a pale shadow of truly credible and independent institutions to fight corruption and restore national and international confidence in the independence of the judiciary.

In fact, since my first election as a Member of Parliament 40 years ago, I have never felt such disgust and distaste at the sordid state of politics in the country which have descended to a new depth marked by the illegal, immoral and unconstitutional grab for power in Perak and the violation of privacy and outrage of modesty of Elizabeth Wong, woman Exco member in Selangor.

This sense of disgust and distaste is the general feeling of Malaysians, regardless of race and religion. The Yang di Pertuan’s speech, for instance, had been completely displaced by the illegal power grab in Perak and the violation of privacy and outrage of modest of Elizabeth Wong, in all the media when the one and common concern should be the looming economic crisis facing the country!

The March 8 political tsunami represented the hopes of Malaysians for change and improvement to become a more united, harmonious, democratic, progressive and competitive nation so that Malaysia can take our rightful place in the global community instead of continually losing out to other countries.

The greatest challenge facing the country is how Malaysians are going to tide over the worst global economic crisis in 80 years with economists even forecasting a looming recession for Malaysia, but national priorities and energies spearheaded by the Prime Minister-in-waiting and the Finance Minister are completely misplaced – orchestrating an immoral, illegal and unconstitutional power grab in Perak to topple the legal, legitimate, effective and functioning Pakatan Rakyat Perak state government.

In the sixties, there was what is known as the Great Train Robbery in the United Kingdom. We have now our version of the Great Political Robbery resulting in outrage not only among the people of Perak but among all right-thinking Malaysians throughout the country at the robbery of the people’s legitimate and duly elected democratic government of Perak.

Malaysians have found that they have the lost the fundamental right to be free from crime and the fear of crime, aggravated by the refusal of the Abdullah administration to fully implement the 125 recommendations of the Royal Police Commission to create an efficient, incorruptible, professional world-class police service to keep crime low, fight corruption and respect human rights.

Malaysians, tourists and investors do not feel safe any more in the country, whether in the streets, public places or even in the privacy of their homes.

Now, with the Great Political Robbery orchestrated by Najib, Malaysians have also lost the safety of their political rights, when the legitimately and duly elected government of Pakatan Rakyat in Perak could be robbed by an immoral, illegal and unconstitutional power grab orchestrated by Najib.

As the sixth Prime Minister, Najib will not have his first 100 days to dazzle the people with bold promises and pledges of a new beginning, as what he had done in his pre-100 days, in particular the immoral, illegal and unconstitutional power grab he orchestrated in Perak, producing two Mentris Besar in Perak, will cast a long dark shadow over his premiership.

With the immoral, illegal and unconstitutional power grab in Perak, with defections of elected representatives, re-defection, public disappearances of defectors, monetary inducements in millions and even tens of millions of ringgit and intimidations, coupled with the latest outrage of the violation of privacy and outrage of modesty of Selangor woman Exco member, Elizabeth Wong, Najib will start off his administration as the most divisive and polarizing Prime Minister in the nation’s history.

With such a background, how can Najib command national confidence to successfully unite and rally Malaysians to lead the country to tide over the looming economic crisis?

DAP’s position against unprincipled, unethical and immoral party defection is clear and consistent.

As far back as 31 years ago in March 1978, I had sought to move a private member’s bill intituled Members of Parliament [Prevention of Defection] Act 1978 to ensure political integrity of Members of Parliament.

I had said in Parliament in my motion in 1978 that the defection of MPs or State Assemblymen from parties on whose ticket they got elected is most undesirable and unethical, because they are elected not because of their personal qualities, but because of the Party they represent. Such practices also permit elected politicians to be bought and sold as if they are on the market place.

If an elected MP resigns or is expelled from the Party on whose ticket he was originally elected, then he should resign his seat and cause a by-election to be held. If the resignation and expulsion is over a matter of political principle which has the support of the people, then the MP or State Assemblymen concerned should have no qualms about getting re-elected.

However, the Constitution two decades ago providing that an MP or Assemblyperson who resigned his seat would not be able to recontest for five years – an amendment the DAP had opposed.

What is urgently needed is the enactment of anti-hopping legislation and repeal of the five-year ban from recontesting for an elected representative as in Article 48(6) on the Federal Constitution.

(Extract of speech on the Motion of Thanks on the Royal Address in Parliament on Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2009)

  1. #1 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 9:40 am

    I re-post here what I said in earlier thread since it is more relevant to the space here concerning the issue of party hopping and the so-called “Great Political Robbery” in the Perak with particular reference to Perak State Assembly Speaker V Sivakumar’s suspension of Datuk Dr Zamri & 6 state councillors based on its Rights and Privileges Committee’s findings.

    There would conceivably be an immediate procedural objection, amongst other objections, that this suspension was done without putting the matter to vote and the prior approval of the larger Perak State Assembly.

    Next best thing is to now get the Perak State Assembly to immediately sit and take a vote to ratify the the Speaker’s decision & Rights and Privileges Committee’s findings.

    The next best procedural step short of prior approval/endorsement by Perak State Assembly of such decisions is (as always) an immediate subsequent ractification by Perak State Assembly of these decisions!

    In the absence of 7 of the BN’s 28 state assemblypersons in the Perak state Assembly, the numbers have again tilted back to the former PR government of 28 seats against 24, so that such a motion of ratification of speaker’s and Rights and Privileges Committee’s decision will be carried.

    This proceeds on the fundamental assumption that the 7 of the BN’s 28 state assembly men would not be present to add to the numbers and vote against the motion to ratify the Speaker’s decision.

    V Sivakumar could take a further decision to exclude the 7 from being allowed into the Assembly to participate on the vote on motion to ratify based just not on the current suspension – if it be argued that suspension could not possibly take effect without the Perak Assembly vote – but exclusion (of the 7) based on the well known principle of avoidance of conflicts of interest : ie that the 7 should not now be allowed to enter into the Perak Assembly to participate to vote on the specific matter of this motion to ratify since they have a direct interest in it and therefore cannot be seen to deliberate/vote in service of their own personal cause/benefit!

    I would imagine time is crucial and it would be a better course to cover this procedural loophole whilst you still could before other formidable challenges are thrown your way – such as for example V Sivakumar’s decisions usurping HRH Sultan of Perak’s prerogative of appointing Perak MB to form the BN state govt!

    Time is crucial and it would be a better course to cover this procedural loophole whilst you still could before other formidable challenges are thrown your way – such as for example V Sivakumar’s decisions usurping HRH Sultan of Perak’s prerogative of appointing Perak MB to form the BN state govt!

  2. #2 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 9:43 am

    Please ignore repetitive last para.

  3. #3 by lextcs on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:12 am

    it is so clear now that whoever (be it which side) sits on the throne of power execises them to their best advantage…..afterall these things have been practice for as long as we all could remember….come to think of it…thats not what we the voters of Mar 08 wanted in the 1st place. So STOP all these stupid seesaw politics and GET BACK TO WORK! SERVE THE PEOPLE!

    Our streets needs to be cleaned up….the law breakers needs to be summond…the neighbourhood needs to be safe…just to name a few.

  4. #4 by ch on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:19 am

    Dear YB Lim Kit Siang,

    Your message above had raised a number of interesting issues, which in a nutshell characterizes the current state of political and economical affairs afflicting Malaysia.

    The current financial/economical turmoil demonstrated without any doubt that all nations have grown to be quite dependent on each other. This is expected in a globalized world and open economic system that most countries had openly embraced in the past decade or so. Economic 101 would teach us that in order to survive in a globalized economy, one has to be extremely efficient, not just in cost but in all aspect of a business activity. In a sheltered economy like Malaysia of the recent past, one can perhaps afford somew inefficiencies and weaknesses. It will be a very different ball game going forward when Malaysia has to comete with China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Middle East, Latin America, Eastern Europe and even certain African nations. Malaysia can only continue to have the upper hand vis-a-vis the other emerging economies in industries where Malaysia could offer a unique advantage, like perhaps the palm oil and rubber related industries. Certainly not in the electronic nor in high technology nor in labour intensive basic assembling operation. Malaysia used to enjoy the superior English language skill versus neighbouring SE Asian countries and other Asian countries. This is not anymore when B. Malaysia was introduced to replace English as the medium of instruction. Likewise the fast eroding political stability and judicial system.

    I would agree that to surrender power and authority is difficult after tasted one. History would have shown us that transition of power and authority often marred with trouble and even chaos. A two party system would allow a more effective check and balance system and for greater emphasis on efficiency and accountability. It serves to take away the current divisiveness of race based/quota based administration and allow for the implementation of meritocracy as well as better human capital deployment as strongly alluded by Pak Lah. At the end of the day, Malaysia needs an all round efficiency in order to continue its growth path towards a developed nation. Hopefully then this will take away opportunistic politicians who shout and banter during the respective party election season and then quickly fade away when they fail to get elected to certain political posts.

    There were many negative comments on our fourth PM, Tun Mahathir, as he was seen to have widely abused his position and misused the resources of the nation to build monuments and some may even say to feed his own ego. These monuments did not bring much benefit to the country as a whole but enormously benefited those handful individuals who were claimed to be close to him. While pak Lah may not have build monuments, he failed to take advantage of the past 5 years to lead the country to even greater economic growth. Basically he has left all his sheep to run wild on their own. In other words, he was a poor shepherd. I believe Malaysians are not contradicting themselves, but are simply craving for a good shepherd to pull them away from the current quagmire before we get sucked away into oblivion.

    Similarly I believe it was complacency that caused BN to lose 5 states to Pakatan in the “308” election. BN had also less prepared for such eventualities and they had no experiences to draw upon so as to contructively react to the situation. Likewise the same can be said about Pakatan and hence they were rather careless in the choice of candidates.

  5. #5 by ekans on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:22 am

    I’m no expert in constitutional law but I must say that the latest development in the Perak state assembly appears to be an attempt to create a stalemate which can only be broken by fresh elections, and that will put the power of government back into the hands of the people of the state of Perak, as it should be in a democracy.

  6. #6 by computation on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:52 am

    oh how interesting
    what the “chief justice” of malaysia says
    one day is “misquoted”. but wait there is
    a tape of what he says. oh how interesting.
    wonderful justice system in malaysia…

  7. #7 by computation on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:53 am

    how interesting
    malaysia treats everyone fairly. all
    are trusted according to cintanegara.
    how interesting…

  8. #8 by computation on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:54 am

    cintanegara. how interesting…
    more like cintanajis ….

  9. #9 by computation on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:55 am

    oh dear the “muslim” ex of elizabeth wong is being
    questioned by the police. he could be charged with
    khalwat. oh dear how interesting. but the blame
    still falls solely on elizabeth wong. but still everyone
    is treated fairly. how interesting…

  10. #10 by computation on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:58 am

    how interesting. to see pictures of the sons
    of malaysian ministers with arms wrapped
    around girls. kissing and hugging scantily clad
    girls also. they look like they have been drinking???
    how interesting. i wonder were they in a pub?
    did they drink alcohol? what could they have possibly
    done after that? how interesting??? children of malaysian
    ministers. i wonder how they were brought up by their
    parents? truly interesting…

  11. #11 by Kelvenho on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:13 am

    I believe the majority of the people will not support Najib as PM.
    Who will support a PM who use dirty tricks to win the people hearts.
    C4, bribes, kidnap and gutter politics will be used against anybody
    who don’t support him. The country economy is not important to him.
    What important to him is power. We the ordinary people will suffer.
    So everybody remembers to vote BN and UMNO out during these
    two coming by-elections and the future E13.

  12. #12 by Mr Smith on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:19 am

    I fully agree with Jerry’s proposal above. The Speaker must ratify his decision soonest and nullify whatever BN hopes to take.

  13. #13 by Mr Smith on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:20 am

    oops. Jeffrey’s

  14. #14 by itmanager on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 12:32 pm

    To All Pakatan Rakyat Members,

    Najib will not stop doing all these dirty work, nude photo taking and attacking on Pakatan Members because he is taking over very soon.

    He wants to take over a few more states. I just know it. This guy (YI SAI ZHOU – cantonese) just only know how to use money and play dirty so that when he takes over from Abdullah, it looks nice for him where he took over 2-3 states.

    I just want to advice all MPs, YBs of Pakatan Rakyat Please becareful of what you do, there may be spy cams, people hired to follow you around and try to take evidence of what you do so that they can blackmail you and get you off your seat from the Parlimen or State.



  15. #15 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 12:48 pm

    “..I’m no expert in constitutional law but I must say that the latest development in the Perak state assembly appears to be an attempt to create a stalemate which can only be broken by fresh elections….” ekans posted Today at 10: 22.59 (1 hour ago) I am also no constitutional expert but off the cuff it looks like a smart move.

    The standing orders, whether Parliament or Perak State Assembly, give the Speaker wide powers especially on finality of interpretation. Sure BN counter party will also come out with their set of legal arguments that V Sivakumar was acting out of powers.

    The wonderful thing about rules/law is that it is opened to interpretations, and for Zamri, the fact that it is so already puts him and his gang of 6 into predicament.

    This is because any requirement for interpretation must means judicial interpretation ie. going to court but the joke is anyone who is required to seek redress in court would already have lost round one (even though he has a good case so to speak). This again is because of the conjested calendar of our courts, it takes a long time to get papers in order & speed up on hearings.

    Of course the government could try cut gordian knot of bureaucracy to hasten a early hearing and conclusion of the case but there are two other constraints : first the court process and speed of disposal is not only controlled by one party (ie Govt) but also the other party (ie Perak PR) whose legal eagles will come out with all kinds of procedural objections and motions until the hearing (say) at the High Court could not be heard until year end and even if a favourable verdict is obtained by Zamri, there is the second constraint, an appeal on point of constitutional law to Court of Appeal, which will take another year at the fastest and after that, another appeal to the Federal Court so that by the time of final verdict, the next General Elections would have been held!

    The stalemate strategy is basically to put in motion that if the former PR Perak stae Govt could not win – since Mohd Nizar’s own suit against Zamri could either be delayed or could even lose – V Sivakumar will open another alternative “legal front” to protract in a manner that the opponent also could not win or claim the fruits of victory (after spending costs of defections)!

    Why cannot claim fruits of victory?

    Because first of all we’re having a joke of 2 MBs in Perak making competing claims to that position without final judicial determination anywhere in sight; and secondly because the Perak State Government could not run in such a stalemate – for example if you were an investor, consultant, entrepreneuer, foreign or local, ask yourself how far would you want to negotiate and enter into commitments with either of them (Zamri or Nizar) as representative of Perak state govt when both their positions are under a legal question mark? Investors/businessmen don’t like uncertainty.

    Of course incumbent can use force and police power (ISA & Sedition Act etc) but this is not easy because the first crisis created by BN’s takeover is based not on force but ostensibly on legal & constitutional process involving powers of Monarchy, so by the same method this stalement connected to first crisis would likewise have to be so resolved in same manner!

    In the absence of alternatives, this is one shot at pressuring for a Perak state wide elections that Nizar originally wanted but not granted.

  16. #16 by wanderer on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:11 pm

    In the good old days, you still see enthusiastic crowds cheering the national team in the sporting field.
    After 52 years of Independence, we only see indifferent faces and patriotism is the word of the past.
    Malaysians are becoming more materialist and selfish, these weakness has allowed the ruling UMNO-BN govt to cashing in on this new mindset…. to achieve their stay in power, only immoral ways are the answer to their agenda.
    Talk of love for the king and country is just a forgotten memory of the by gone years.

  17. #17 by monsterball on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:15 pm

    You can call….shout..yell or bang on the table with anger……those UMNO animals will not respond.
    Tarzan animals much more smarter and sincere.
    Knowing you are right…UMNO will ignore…then apply what you have suggested….tricking Malaysians..how smart they are.

  18. #18 by ALLAN THAM on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:17 pm

    every body think the general public are all fool and they just play around with words even. misquote this and that. what an insult.

  19. #19 by Cinapek on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:23 pm

    “…We are told of a Cabinet Committee to Identify and Monitor the Participation of Indian Community in Government Programmes and Projects chaired by the Deputy Prime Minister,…”

    With this development the BN Govt. has tacitly admitted it has discriminated against the Indians. But this knee jerk reaction is merely to paper over the cracks to win over the Indians for their votes. Once the BN has their two third majority you can bet your last dollar the Indians will be back to where they started.

    Any economic uplifting policy based on race is doomed to failure. If indeed the Indians needs help, and I honestly think they do, they should be helped. But there are also Malays, Dayaks, Chinese etc that also needs help. The NEP, in its original noble intentions after 1969, was for this purpose. So there is no need to sidetrack from the wisdom of our forefathers and go off looking for demons when all we have to do is to revisit what the original intentions were and implement the intentions with sincerity and honesty and do away with deliberate insitutionalised racial discrimination. If such attitude persist at the implementation level, another ten, twenty or a hundred Cabinet committees will not solve the problems. Another 50 years from now and we will still be harping on the racial divide unless we have the political will surmount this mindset.

  20. #20 by OrangRojak on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:32 pm

    Extract of speech on the Motion of Thanks
    So did the Opposition vote ‘No Thanks’? Or did you get to participate in a free vote in which only one option was not seditious?

  21. #21 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 1:54 pm

    Malaysiakini reports that several pro-establishment NGOs will file reports with the police and Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) against Perak speaker V Sivakumar in with the decision by the state assembly’s special committee of privileges to suspend Zambry Abdul Kadir, and his six executive councillors. And another NGO (MIYDF), and its spokesman, a former MIC Youth chief and MIYDF present chairperson and legal consultant cry “treason” (without obvious reference to Sedition Act).

    What is wrong with political contenders in this country? This [Perak speaker V Sivakumar & the state assembly’s special committee of privileges’ decision] is an issue of law and constitution, whether right or wrong which has to follow the ordinary court process.

    Isn’t lodgemnent of reports to police/MACC an intimidatory act to force the other side to yield without benefit of legal due process when one side could earlier selectively justify the earlier take over of Perak state govt justified on ostensibly legal due process???

    Please don’t waste the police/MACC’s time and distract them from their real work.

    When coercive laws are threatened to be invoked by reports of questionable merits to silence or force yield by others whose only “offence” is exercising their constitutional right to seek due process of law for adjudication of important civil, political or constitutional issues of the day, it is the law of the jungle that is running its course under camouflage/pretension of law and order being respected.

    For no one respects the law who selectively uses it to intimidate thwart and frustrate others – whether any citizen’s or group’s – into not exercising their own rights of access to legal process to adjudicate a dispute, whether civil, political or constitutional!

    Talking about new lows in politics – eg using private photos to bring down a political opponent when the use itself is tainted with immorality/illegality – it becomes even more poignant when the country’s laws can be used to justify and camouflage the law of the jungle : this is one sure road sign at the crossroads that we’re travelling down the road to barbarity whatever the outward veneer and gloss of civilisation, law and order!

  22. #22 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:05 pm

    By law of the jungle, I mean a milieu in which might is greater than right, threat is more prevalent than argument and discourse to resolve conflicts, and where force under the guise and mantle of law and not the real rule of law is the final arbiter of all disputes, whether between individuals or groups, in a society

  23. #23 by frankyapp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:12 pm

    Umno led by najib grabed pr perak government is not at all surprised.Sabahans have eaten this dirt before.It’s a pity that Pr leader an ex-umno guy who participted the power grabe in Sabah has not learnt the lesson.Maybe complacency was the evil that killed the pr perak government.Well regarding immorality,anyone who is honest,godfearing,accountable,sincere ,love his/her job ,responsible no matter what job he/she does should not be worry about spy cam or any spying.It’s the greed of the people that turn him or her to immorality. Some time inexperience or being naived too could cost the downfall of politians/leaders.Arrongance,pride and self-certerness also caan contribute the downfall of leaders or any person. Public figures,esp.ybs should be well awared not to be tempted to fall into all these category of evils should they want to remain in power.

  24. #24 by sheriff singh on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:20 pm

    The PM said this morning that the move to suspend Perak MB Zambry Abdul Kadir and his six excos is tantamount to disrespecting the Sultan’s wishes. Some pro-UMNO and BN groups too have reported the Speaker’s decisions to MACC and the police.

    It looks like we will have another round of “treason” charges levelled against the Speaker and PR very soon thereby raising temperatures once again.

    It would be good if the Speaker can get his decisions ratified very quickly. As I see it, 10 SAs will be disqualified from entering and participating in the State Assembly sittings and PR now has the advantage of 28 – 21.

    But when the Sultan opens the Assembly sitting, will the 10 be allowed to enter the State Assembly Hall?

    Are there any provisions in the State Constitution for a resolution or a decision (such as the one by the Speaker) to be passed or ratified, on an urgent basis, by way of a “circular resolution”?

  25. #25 by Loh on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:43 pm

    ///The move to suspend Perak MB Zambry Abdul Kadir and his six excos is tantamount to disrespecting the sultan’s wishes, says Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.M///– Malaysiakini

    PM AAB knows only how to use emotional language rather than legal language to discuss matter concerning constitutional monarchy. He has less than 40 days to lose his job. Maybe there is no need to bahave like premier so near to stepping down.

  26. #26 by fudzail on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:48 pm

  27. #27 by Bigjoe on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 2:52 pm

    The biggest issue at this juncture is that there is an presumption that Najib’s lack of mass popularity is still just an inconvenience or a hurdle. I put it that its a major liability that is unlikely to be overcomed. Essentially Najib’s personal political liabilities will hobble his administration and this country the same way Badawi’s lack of leadership hobbled his.

    That UMNO in crises can ignore Najib’s personal liabilities AND elect him as leader is a reflection how detached UMNO is as a party and leader to the vast majority of Malaysians. Its a reflection that essentially UMNOputras always take care of their needs and interest first and Malaysian and Malaysia are merely looked after on convenience.

    The detachment and conflict of the politician interest from the people in this country is debauchery – gross indulgence and will lead us to ruins eventually even possibly soon.

    We are looking at this country going to hard times for a year or two at least, some say doldrums for 5 years even more. We are not designed for low growth and worst after it, what? Will we be prepared to new changes when eventually 5/10 years even after that, when there is a recovery – not likely if we are preoccupied with infighting and refuse to acknowledge our fundamental schism and weakness. At the end of the tunnel, we come of worst than others and falling further behind others we have already fell behind for decades with…

  28. #28 by Onlooker Politics on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 3:49 pm

    “PM AAB knows only how to use emotional language rather than legal language to discuss matter concerning constitutional monarchy.” (Loh says Today at 14: 43.20)

    AAB is certainly a lame duck PM who is incapable to solve problem in the happening of a critical crisis. It is too obvious even to a layman that the solution to Perak’s constitutional crisis shall lie in either one of these two options:

    A) The Perak Sultan shall dissolve Perak State Assembly immediately and a state election be held within two weeks from day of state assembly dissolution;

    B) The Federal court should commence hearing of the case of Nizar versus Zambry immediately with the appointment of a judge who is acceptable to both parties and a court ruling be made as soon as possible in order to make good the constitutional crisis.

    There is no other universally acceptable solution besides the above two options.

    Since Malaysia adopts a political system of Constitutional Monarchy with Parliamentary Democracy, it is too obvious that all disputes in relation to political power struggle shall be resolved based on the following principles:
    1) Those legal rights which do not belong to the ruler shall belong to the Federal Government;
    2) Those legal rights which do not belong to the ruler nor the Federal Government shall belong to the State Government;
    3) Those legal rights which do not belong to the ruler, nor the Federal Government, nor the State Government shall belong to the People.

    Therefore it is crystal clear that if the court ruling from a qualified judge of the Federal Court is still not good enough for making good a constitutional dispute, then the dispute shall be brought forth to the People by way of election (which is almost similar to the practice of universal referendum). The Perak Sultan shall dissolve the state assembly immediately since it is the only best solution for resolving the constitutional crisis.

  29. #29 by One4All4One on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:02 pm

    UMNO and those who jumped into its bandwagons have been having too good a time for far too long.

    Devoid of principles and not looking beyond their own backyard and filling up their coffers in whatever way they could fathom and acting according to their whims and fancies at the expense of the whole nation, they are now faced with a situation which runs counter to their dreams and aspirations.

    Faced with the prospect of a fast drying up cash pile and baring of resources, they are hard pressed and feeling lost. Without the assurance of easy access to a cash reserve which they had been so used to for umpteen years, they are now rallying to open up just about anything, hoping that some loose change may trickle in.

    To outsiders that may seem a magnanimous gesture. To the locals who had been tortured with lop-sided policies and regulations, such gestures are looked upon with cynicism. They are displaying what could be best described as wielding a double-edged sword.

    It takes a crisis of a huge magnitude to make them realise that their affirmative action policies are not doing the nation any good.
    And certainly not doing them any good, either.

  30. #30 by Toyol on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:13 pm

    Its simple. With AAB, we went backwards 20 years. With NR we will go back a further 40 years! Bottom line…as long as BN is in power, in time we will be back in the Stone Age!

  31. #31 by Loh on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:13 pm

    Cinapek was right that NEP was originally intended to end linkage of profession/economic activities with race. But the solution adopted was based on race, and with race in the consideration in implementing government projects, the racial origins of public officials ended up influencing the optimal approach. The wide power of discretion was accepted and consequently we see for example, the racial composition of public employees which were predominated with Malays in 1969 have been further aggravated rather than corrected through NEP. Thus when race becomes a factor in implementing government policies, such policies would never be implemented impartially when race becomes a factor. The 20 years programs of NEP have been extended to twice its time and the country is more polarized than ever.

    NEP should be removed. Government policies should be race blind, applied equally to all races. The talk of racial interest is against the interest of the nation. The three UMNO youth hopeful are claiming that there would fight for Malays interest while not affecting that of others. Are they taking about people of more than one nation? Otherwise, they are just saying that they will fight for Malays interest, and then they would organize protests should other races dare to complain. The interest of other communities is no issue when they are no protests on the streets, whether the concerned communities were too scared to do so, or prevented by ISA.

    For decades ago, NEP was said to uplift the position of Malays through expanding cakes, so that the interest of non-Malays are not affected. Look at the argument this way. If one draw a circle of one cm radius, and divide them in pies based on the percentage share of different races, of any issue. Draw a concentric circle of 5 cm, and fix a pie which is larger in percentage than that of the original one cm circle. For that to happen by law, then some who are originally occupying the pie within the original one cm circle would not be allowed to expand freely with the lengthening radius, or the cake. If the pie is divided according to race, then the people affected are deprived of the opportunity to have their fair share, based on the own efforts, in the expanded cake. That expanded cake argument did not convince non-Malays when NEP took effect. BN government considered it had found an excuse for justifying its bullying act.

    The country is in deep shit because of NEP. NEP created the possibility of different system of logics for different races in the country. For example, we hear about disloyalty to Perak Sultan when the decision that suits BN is being questioned. But BN had conveniently forgotten that it was UMNO president, the non-pure Malay president who succeeded in getting support from UMNO’s supreme council to changing the federal constitution so that Malay Rulers are deprived of the immunity from prosecution. UMNO members do not consider that action which affects the prestige and position of ruler as private person as disrespect to the rulers and yet they considered actions of the ruler based on law which by virtue of rule of law could be reviewed in court as showing disrespect to the Ruler. That was most exasperating when it was mentioned by the gem of UMNO, the president himself.

  32. #32 by Onlooker Politics on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:31 pm

    “The move to suspend Perak MB Zambry Abdul Kadir and his six excos is tantamount to disrespecting the sultan’s wishes, says Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.” (Malaysiakini)

    Respect is something which a recipient of it has to work smart or work hard in order to earn it. Noone in this world can compel other people to pay him respect if he does not deserve it. If the respect is being given to someone by the people, then it must be given voluntarily and willingly out of the bottom of the people’s heart.

    Respect is also reciprocal, which means that in order for someone to earn respect from others he must dispense his equal quantum of respect to others first.

    What respect can one expect to earn if he continues to stubbornly refuse to accede to others’ legitimate request or demand by indifferently showing no mercy to others’ griefs and grievances?

  33. #33 by sightseeing on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:53 pm

    Without freedom of expression there will be no true respect.

  34. #34 by richiee on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 4:54 pm

    Uncle Lim,
    Our PM-to-be (deleted) What does he know about the economy? According to him, our economy is strong and is able to withstand the global economic landslide…according to him four months ago when the majority of the rakyat already know back then 2009 will be a tough year for all.

    Honestly, I have very low regards, actually no regards for the officials in the cabinet. Given the current economy malaise, the government is only interested in consolidating their power at the expense of the welfare of the rakyat of the country. It only goes to show how short sighted the government is.

  35. #35 by sani on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 5:43 pm


    With the Bandit Government of Perak suspended by the Speaker. And if the BN cannot scheme their way out.

    It won’t be long, the good for nothing BN, will change their “Daulat Tuanku” to “Darurat Tuanku”.

    It happenend in Terengganu, Sarawak, Kelantan + Sabah. What is another state. The BN had never love the country + people. That is why they are afraid to face the people, which started the whole problem in Perak.

  36. #36 by freehand68 on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 5:54 pm

    i am shock that elizabeth wong have chosen a Malay and furthermore is 5 years junior to her…i am a bit disappointed… please don’t label me as racist before you seriously and meticulously and consciencely think of your own standpoint…else u r htpocrite…

  37. #37 by chanjoe on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 5:55 pm

    “If I were him, I would not have dared to do it” – that was what Parliament Speaker Tan Sri Pandikar Amin had to say on the situation in Perak.

    What a big JOKE!!!!! Everyone knows he dont dare as he is subservant to BN and UMNO. So will he be so stupid to nact against BN? This is how the Speaker of Parliament is and its a very sad and sordid affair. You think he will be fair in Dewan…and even his 2 Deputies are also from the same sick house (BN).

    So…YB Siva is a brave man and he got the guts to do his work the rite way.

    Therefore, we must shove these “sickos” out and get in healthy people in body and mind to be in our Dewan.

  38. #38 by freehand68 on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 5:56 pm


  39. #39 by boh-liao on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 6:00 pm

    The rakyat wonder: Is there big business connection between Umno and the various royal family members?


  40. #40 by sheriff singh on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 6:39 pm

    Aiyah. Divide Perak into two-lah!!

    Perak Kiri, Perak Kanan.

    Fed-up with this sad state of affairs.

    Enough already.

    Maybe they will solve the problem by putting the Speaker under ISA under one reason or another!!!

    And Ms Hee, if not disqualified, will take over. She’s a very valuable person now.

  41. #41 by jus legitimum on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 6:46 pm

    Elizabeth Wong being a victim should not resign and she should be courageous to stand up against idiotic and offensive remarks made by people including the ex MB of Selangor and the stupid botak.The remarks made by that ‘toyol’ against Eli Wong only shows how low quality are certain so called leaders from the most racist and extremist political party in this country.After Eli Wong’s misfortune,one might wonder do we need to bathe and shower with our clothes on?This spate of ugly incidents only point out to us the desperate umnoputras are resorting to various shenanigans to bring down PR.So all PR reps watch out.

  42. #42 by Old.observer on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 6:49 pm

    YB Kit,

    Agreed. As much as one loath to remind the World of BN and Abdullah’s failure, especially in the respectful presence of the Agong, one has a duty to speak the truth, and I salute you for your courage to do so. If put in the same situation, I wonder how many (out of 100 people) would take the easy way out and remain silent as the Agong recorded appreciation for Abdullah’s premiership in the last 5 years.

  43. #43 by yhsiew on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 7:43 pm

    Najis brother, a renowned banker, recently asked the government to review the NEP as it has taken its toll on the economy (esp during the current global economic meltdown). I believe that will also become a MISSED OPPORTUNITY due to UMNO’s “kiasu” mindset and inaction.

  44. #44 by ekans on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 7:56 pm

    Please correct me if I’m wrong. My view of the constitutional monarchy system is that the monarch holds the position of the ceremonial head of state while the people elects the government. Therefore, if party X beats party Y in an election, the monarchy shall respect the will of the people and shall perform the ceremonial duty of appointing the elected representatives from party X as leaders of the government.
    But if there are some representatives who quit from party X in such a way that both party X & Y each has the same number of elected representatives while the representatives who had quit party X, set themselves as independents who lean towards party Y, should the monarch consider this as a shift in majority, that is also of the will of the people, and ask the remaining elected party X representatives to step down and appoint party Y’s elected representatives to take over the government?
    There are people who say that this the right thing to do because the cost of holding another fresh election is too expensive. Then, I would like ask those people, what is the going price of democracy?
    Can we actually assign some monetary value on our right to vote?
    Do we have to buy our way to the ballot box to choose the leaders of our government?

  45. #45 by yhsiew on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 8:06 pm

    What is urgently needed is the enactment of anti-hopping legislation and repeal of the five-year ban from recontesting for an elected representative as in Article 48(6) on the Federal Constitution.


    You are right. What is urgently needed is the enactment of anti-hopping legislation as the financially weak party is always the loser in the hopping game (a level-playing field does not exist for the game).

    Since BN has lately tasted the “goodness of hopping” in the Perak takeover, I have my doubts whether they will give anti-hopping legislation a serious thought at this juncture.

  46. #46 by HJ Angus on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 8:29 pm

    Such a sad day for Malaysians when the PM has to threaten the Perak Speaker who is just trying his hardest to reflect the will of the people.
    Nothing much to be thankful for except there has been not much blood shed during his watch.
    Not sure whether he was the one who allowed Malaysians more freedom – some will say it was time anyway for us to wake up before we follow Mugabe’s country down the tubes.

  47. #47 by katdog on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 8:38 pm

    What? A second stimulus package?

    What happened to the first stimulus package of RM 7 billion?

    Where has all the money gone? Has it been effectively used? Can anyone share with me how the 7 billion has been allocated?

  48. #48 by katdog on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 8:41 pm

    I would like to add… did PR leaders monitor how the 7 billion spent? If so please do share with us.

  49. #49 by limkamput on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 9:16 pm

    Sdr Lim, you mentioned many things – power grab, Eli Wong, inept PM, hopping etc. All roads lead to Rome. In Malaysia, all roads lead to money and more money. In this country everything you see and feel not right is about money – crimes, illegal immigrants, dadah (drug), vices, toll roads, IPPs, and now water concessionaires. Even Eli Wong episode is also about money, I think. But I suggest you don’t blame UMNO or BN for this one. If we are not sure, it is best we don’t blame others. We must look at our own backyard, why so many so-called party loyalists seem to have so many problems. Never mind these are personal or private matters. These are things that will tarnish and undermine the credibility of PR. I am not a bigot in case some of you start to accuse me already. May be you should start looking at how PAP of Singapore identify and select potential leaders. Leaders with chequered past will be subjected to blackmail for sure. I know BN is bad, but we have too many phua tam sai in PR also, sorry.

  50. #50 by limkamput on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 9:27 pm

    One question for you, Sdr Lim: Why in this country, each time we talk about tackling drug problem, the focus is inevitably focussed on the demand side, i.e. how we must educate our young, and how our people are not strong enough to resist the temptation of drug etc. How come we hardly look at the supply side? How drug distribution is now like a multi-level marketing, available from the largest town to the smallest kampong? Since drug is addictive, the demand is assured. People dealing with drug just have to make sure the drug is readily available and the business is assured. Now, please tell me why the supply of drug is like totally out of control. Are we ready that hopeless or is it something else?

  51. #51 by limkamput on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 9:32 pm

    should be.. are we really that hopeless or …..

  52. #52 by frankyapp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:23 pm

    Shame on those perak yb frogs,shame on najib,shame onzambray,shame on AAB,Also shame on the mass media esp Banama.I got sick when it interviewed AAB and the info minister who talked as if they are saints,no faults about the perak’s speaker decision to suspend the new MB and his six exco members.Why banama didn’t also interview the perak speaker to find his side of the story.News medias,including news papers are so biased in their reporting,I think most educated malaysians just don’t listen or buy them anymore. The perak government when it comes to statemate,should it follows by violation of public order,all these unmoputras should be made to paid for their self-fished action.Banama should not used the people money for their one sided report esp favouring the umno/bn government.

  53. #53 by monsterball on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:27 pm

    Malaysians are not hopeless.
    It is one who talk alot ..judging..bragging and do not walk any talk .. that person is a hopeless bugger.
    Those talk alot..giving their opinions…do not insult..OK…no walk the talks.

  54. #54 by gyp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:28 pm

    No one should mentioned the Sultan name and involve the Sultan in these matters of the Perak Speaker Committee of Special Privileges issue.

    This matters is legal issue and politics, this issue go to court.

    Nothing involve the Sultan.

    Please stop using the Sultan name to threaten others.

  55. #55 by gyp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:48 pm

    I hope the Perak PKR YB realized these.

    You all YB were elected by the Perak People.

    Anyone threaten you with the Sultan name, it also mean they using the Sultan name to threaten Sultan subjects as you all YB indirectly represented the Perak people who elected you.

    You are the representative of the Perak People voice.

    Please stop using the Sultan name to threaten the representative of Sultan subjects.

  56. #56 by gyp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 10:59 pm

    Those 3 PKR YB jumping frogs.

    Those who elected this 3 PKR jumping frogs should challenge them in court as they are no more represented your voice but hold your elected vote in hostage and cheated your vote.

  57. #57 by frankyapp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:06 pm

    My dear limkamput,you sounded liken a foreigner.Ok you want to know why the focussed on the demand and not the supply.Let me enlighten you.Listen,we have many groups of druglords in the country.These people also control all the illegal gaming eg 4 ds,ah long,international bettings and money launding in the country.These warlord or drugking are filthy rich ,powerful and extremely very influential.They have good and solid connection with every sectors of the civil organisation of the country,not forgetting the brotherly excellence good relation with all the umnoputras and it’s warlords.My dear friend,now you know why the suppy is always available and nothing concrete can be done to stop it.

  58. #58 by ekans on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:21 pm

    With due respect to the sovereignity of the Malay rulers, let’s not question their constitutional duties as the traditional & ceremonial heads of states within this nation.
    If I’m not mistaken, the decisions they are empowered to make, may be done so with the help of their advisers who are civil servants employed in the royal court.
    Not wanting to also question the political neutrality of the Malay rulers, how do we know whether some of those civil servants are also really politically neutral in providing advice when difficult, complicated political situations arise?

  59. #59 by gyp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:28 pm

    To those people who voted the 3 PKR jump frog.

    If you really want tech the 3 PKR jump frog lesson, you all should challange them in court of miss of trust of elected vote, cheated your vote.

    The point is not winning or winning the case.

    The main point is you can testify the fairness in judge, and the 3 jumping frog will be shameful as YB sue by their elected voters in court as against the voters wills.

    You can stop further jumping frog in the future by doing this.

  60. #60 by gyp on Thursday, 19 February 2009 - 11:45 pm

    If you really want tech the 3 PKR jump frog lesson, you all should challange them in court of break of trust of elected vote, cheated your vote.

    The point is not winning or winning the case.

    The main point is you can testify the fairness in judge, and the 3 jumping frog will be shameful as YB sue by their elected voters in court break of trust.

  61. #61 by StevePCH on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 12:09 am

    YB Siva, kudos to you and ur team for being so courages.
    These BN D*GS deserve it.

    Talking about rule of laws ??? Zambri is such a hypocrite when utter such words. Look who’s shouting now.

    Do check properly on the required laws so that you can nail these guys in their self made coffins.

    Take care. YB Kit Please be extra careful when rumors of such appears for YAB LGE. He is doing a good job in Penang, that why the cronies cannot “cari makan”.

  62. #62 by yhsiew on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 12:45 am

    Just one day after being suspended from the Perak legislative assembly, Datuk Zambry Kadir took his case yesterday to a gathering of more than 5,000 Barisan Nasional Youth members by vowing to defend the institution of the monarchy.

    I think Datuk Zambry Kadir should stop being hypocritical. If he really wants to defend the institution of the monarchy, he should first champion to restore immunity (which was stripped away by UMNO under Tun M.) to the sultans of Malaysia to show his sincerity.

  63. #63 by passerby on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 12:47 am

    HJ Angus Says:
    “…..some will say it was time anyway for us to wake up before we follow Mugabe’s country down the tubes. ”

    Well, at least we allcan be millionaires, if not billionaires! Ha ha ha.

  64. #64 by StevePCH on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 1:35 am

    Anyway …. Dear YB Kit, Happy Birthday ! May you be blessed with many years of happiness !!!

  65. #65 by computation on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 1:49 am

    “I think Datuk Zambry Kadir should stop being hypocritical. If he really wants to defend the institution of the monarchy,…”

    exactly. anyway does he think the monarchy
    to be more important than the people???
    it just goes to show what their priorities are…

  66. #66 by gofortruth on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 5:26 am

    Something bad is brewing by nasty BN. PM is saying Pakatan disrespect the Royalty & UMNO have 5000 youths vowed to defend the Monarchy & willing to pay the price (What price?????? Threat??? Emergency rule??? More ISA???).

    Everyone can see BN is trying so desperately to set up the Royalty against Pakatan to fan up angry sentiments among the innocent Malays. This is a dangerous act of trying to create national unrest. I hope the Royalty & the public won’t fall into this disgusting BN open trap.

    By the way, Happy Birthday to Uncle Lim.
    Take care & God bless!

  67. #67 by gitf701 on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 6:52 am

    Na Na, Nanana…..kancheong spider, come our state “cheong” already, quickly run away, forget to wear his pants. Now cry baby….Disrespect lah, never follow law lah. Who in the first place disrespect the Rakyat’s wish, never follow law? No follow law….very easy just convene assembly tomorrow lah. PR always follow law one, don’t worry. Don’t kancheong. We are not kancheong spider like …. Hee Hee Hee…

  68. #68 by lcclck on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 7:39 am

    Dear YB,

    I copied this statement made in your BLOG for ease of discussion :-

    \DAP’s position against unprincipled, unethical and immoral party defection is clear and consistent\

    Could you kindly explain when DSAI accepted BOTA ADUN first, is this against your belief or you were too forgetful then about what you meant here??

    Has your stance meant anything to DSAI or you are as irrelevant now in PR as MCA/MIC/GERAKAN in BN led by UMNO??

    Please may anyone of you try to understand what YB had adopted against what I agreed with Karpal Singh for his outburst, between two ‘devils’, you had chosen the lesser one or person like DSAI who was supposed to have experienced the conditions of jails in Sungai Buluh, and yours in Kamunting, both jails are just not the same, yours was political and his was criminal as your son LGE had sat before in Kajang Prison!!

    Please WAKE UP from the charms of DSAI.

    You must be really clear about what you mean in this statement, I copied again :-

    DAP’s position against unprincipled, unethical and immoral party defection is clear and consistent

    I believe you meant what you wrote here.

    God bless you!!

    Best regards,


  69. #69 by gitf701 on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 7:41 am

    Ammo Response when All Else Fails – Standard Operating Procedure (SOP).
    Choose from below Multiple Choice Answers:
    1) Disprespect!! Derhaka!!
    2) Hidup M! Hidul M!
    3) ISA
    4) Emergency
    5) Media onslought/blackout

    Have we not seen this for umpteem times for the last decades. Haven’t you got any new ideas in this new economy?????
    Thought Rakyat has rejected that already…Oi tidur kah

  70. #70 by limkamput on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 7:44 am

    frankyapp Says:
    Yesterday at 23: 06.32
    My dear limkamput,you sounded liken a foreigner.Ok you want to know why the focussed on the demand and not the supply.

    My dear frankyapp, if you read carefully, didn’t I allude to the same thing as you said. I just want Sdr Lim to take up the issue on the supply side. If you are here long enough you would not say i am a foreigner.

  71. #71 by limkamput on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 7:47 am

    We know for sure a moronic ball here is hopeless.

  72. #72 by son of perpaduan on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 8:23 am

    I really cannot tahan all these words like treason, derhaka lah, disrespecting hurling at PR by the media. At this juncture, the media is still blind and deaf to the current trend of knowing what the people of malaysia think? Is a all time high the waves hitting the ocean lah. Malaysian had acquire by the most powerful source of intel info just a touch of a keypad. Hey!! paper media, your daily morning info no longer important to us lah.. STOP all your propaganda.

  73. #73 by Loh on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 8:38 am

    39-days-left PM AAB ordered the second MB of Perak to report to police on PLA Speaker’s Sivakumar ruling suspending seven ADUNs from the Perak State Legislative Assembly.

    Assuming AAB thought before he talked, then he considered Police the highest authority in the country because they have brute force. The country is a police state. AAB can make use of police within the next 39 days. After that AAB will be under police control.

    UMNO youth made report on the same matter to MACC. Unless UMNO youth leaders were so stupid not to know that whether the action of Speaker Sivakumar was consistent with the provision of the law can only be decided by the court of law, otherwise they consider MACC a tool for UMNO to terrorise political opponents.

    AAB has displayed the fact that even if he uses his brain, somehow the brain circuit was wrongly connected. Was he trying to prove now that his downfall is well deserved?

  74. #74 by Jeffrey on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 9:01 am

    It has been all the while a way to hold on to the Malay political ground – the majority political constituency in the country – for UMNO to flash 2 cards: (a) the communal based on inviolability of the NEP and (b) Religion.

    Card (a) has been challenged by Anwar/PKR who contends that the implementation of NEP has been abused; that it favours the select few and used as cover for patronage/corruption. Card (b) has been challenged by PAS.

    The results of 8th March 08 ‘Political Tsunami’ and results of subsequent by-elections like Permantang Pauh & Kuala Terengganu (with Malay majority) favouring PKR/PAS with DAP ring alarm bells that cards (a) and (b) are not working that well as expected.

    Hence the need for the third – and probably last card – the institution of Monarchy and Rulers that Malay Malaysians in particular hold in esteem and reverence as keeper of tradition and religion. Short of this, what other cards left?

    Hence first reaction of certain pro-establishment groups to Mohd Nizar’s refusal to stand down as MB or Karpal’s statement that, as a matter of legal technicality the Ruler should be included in the legal suit as defendant and now V Sivakumar’s suspension of Datuk Dr Zamri & 6 state councilors is to lodge police reports against them amid cries of treason and sedition. They (reports) are intended to intimidate and cower. This is where the last third card is flashed. The institution of Monarchy is dragged into the political arena/fray of contention because much including 50 years of hegemony is at stake. This last card is lèse-majesté, originally a Latin expression meaning “injury to the Majesty. Using such a card represents also a new low in politics (besides buying defections and invasion of political opponents privacy and scandalising their private lives).

  75. #75 by Jeffrey on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 9:03 am

    In recent times lèse-majesté has been invoked in the milieu of recent turbulence of Thai politics. A Swiss man had been sentenced to 10 years in prison because he was caught vandalising images of the revered 81 year old Thai monarch King Bhumibol; and a three-year jail sentence was imposed on an Australian who referred, glancingly but unflatteringly, to the Crown Prince in his book that only sold 7 copies!

    Lèse-majesté is a powerful last card even in a constitutional monarchy as distinct from an absolute one : even ex PM Thaksin Shinawatra, who had used improper language on a number of occasions when referring to the King, found that to be one of the reasons of a successful coup staged by General Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

    Our people here draw lessons from up North : one of the reasons by govt did not push too hard on the MB issue in relation to Terengganu or Perlis.

    However people should remember also we are a Constitutional (as distinct from Absolute) Monarchy.

    A constitutional monarchy is a government that has a constitution; however, the head of state is a king or a queen. The premise of this system is the supremacy of the Constitution and the laws that are enacted under it.

    Now Mohd Nizar, Karpal Singh & V Sivakumar’s “run” with the Monarchy institution arises but from one source: their appeal to the Federal Constitution and the Rule of Law that underpins it.

    It is not as if they are vandalizing royal images or writing unflattering things about them like Thai Counterparts.

    What’s the use of Constitutional Monarchy and the concept of supremacy of constitution if one could not appeal, like Nizar, Karpal, Siva do, to the constitution and laws as arbiter of disputes including political dispute?

    So it is sad and unfortunate that there are groups here who would selectively manipulate Lèse-Majesté for their own purpose or that of the political interest of the Ruling Coalition conveniently forgetting that it was the Ruling Party under TDM which went on a road show to campaign for the removal of the Rulers immunity and establishment of the Special Constitutional Court in 1995 (I think).

    It is not that I think that what was done then by TDM administration was wrong.

    I think one should not selectively and situationally apply double standards to buttress one’s own political interest in suppression of others.

    The Monarchy institution can be a good and moderating influence to stabilise turbulent politics. It should not be misused instead to generate turbulent politics against dissidents or opposition. But what to do, survival as in political survival is more important and all cards will be used!

  76. #76 by Thor on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 10:41 am

    Sad to say that Umno is playing real dirty by dragging the sultan into a conflict with PR.
    Knowing that they will lose badly if they were to play fairly, their only hope is to use the royal figures to create tension.
    Same as borrowing someone’s knife to kill someone.
    If the Perak sultan were to opt for a snap election at that time, I believe these scums could be demonstrating and cursing the sultan already.
    We people are not that stupid to believe in them.
    They’ve already controlled the lawmakers, law enforcers and even the parliament and now they wanted the rulers as well.
    Why not abolished election and rule just like a communist country.
    No need playing dirty in so many ways!!!

  77. #77 by Onlooker Politics on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:00 am

    The power struggle game will never be able to settle in a static state unless a power equilibrium has really been striken. The struggle move itself is a dynamic process.

    The Perak Speaker of PR camp is moving one more step forward aiming to checkmate Zambry of BN camp. This move within the power given by the state constitution should be tolerable by all parties concerned since it is allowed by the state constitution. However, the Perak Speaker will still need to show that he acts in accordance with the provisions of the state constitution and the Rules and Regulations of the State Assembly.

    Any move which is not justified by the rule of law may tend to deviate the political direction towards the rule of jungle. Since PR is not vested with the power of controlling “guns” in Malaysia, it had better not to allow the struggle game to run into a wild situation beyond the control of law. Therefore, the Perak Speaker should quickly call for the resume of State Assembly session in order to cast a vote of no confidence against Zambry as soon as possible. This follow-up procedure will provide legal basis for the Perak Speaker to bar Zambry from joining the state assembly for the next two years and hence will paralyse the BN coup effort!

    The final objective shall be to bring about the dissolution of the Perak State Assembly in order to lay path for a fresh state election. There is no other better solution to the Perak constitutional crisis than returning the power to the People!

  78. #78 by HJ Angus on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:06 am

    I am sure that the royalty know that they were the “beneficiaries” of UMNO when the laws were amended to remove their immunity.
    So this time it looks as if UMNO wants to use the Perak royalty to protect their power grab of the state government and even force has been suggested by means of emergency rule.
    So the royal family agrees to such measures, history may mark 2009 as the year when the Perak royalty lost the love and support of their subjects.
    There is a faster more equitable solution that will protect the status of the royalty as being above politics.

  79. #79 by HJ Angus on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:10 am

    sorry typo:
    “If” not “So” in first line of 3rd para.

  80. #80 by jus legitimum on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:12 am

    I appreciate the article written by John Lee in the Malaysian Insider today.I concur with John Lee about his remarks on that Toyol,a racist and the head that once ruled the richest state in Malaysia and his rule was tainted with widespread corruption.Anyway just ponder which state under BN rule is not tarnished with corruption.Such hypocritical and low class politicians like him abound in this country.The rakyat should wipe off all these scumbags in the coming GE.

  81. #81 by shah pinang on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:35 am

    Jeffrey Says:
    Today at 09: 01.05 (1 hour ago) “Hence the need for the third – and probably last card – the institution of Monarchy and Rulers that Malay Malaysians in particular hold in esteem and reverence as keeper of tradition and religion. Short of this, what other cards left?”

    The Joker card? I mean seriously our BN government now is a complete joke!!! how can our so called PM (more like a Prime Malarkey) encouraging ‘his’ people to ‘Defy’…more like stup*i*fy *sigh*.Paklah Dolah pi balik sekolah la!!

    “He cannot prevent these people from attending the State Assembly. I have spoken to Zambry about lodging a police report and he also shared the same idea. He told me that is what he intends to do,” said Abdullah. Hello Pak DOL of course he can.

    I don’t have to be a politician also I boleh faham. Speaker of the Assembly presides over the Assembly in the CHIEF LEADERship position, controlling the flow of legislation and committee assignments. This is not about disrespecting the ‘Sultan’s decision’! Zambry and co. have shown contempt to the House.as espouse by YB Karpal – according to the letter of the law – the BN exco’s pi cuti la. Lagi mau cakap banyak. and come up with stupid statements and trying to ‘play’ with lèse-majesté…or whatever. Menderhaka sultan my three letter word=buttocks . No disrespect to the Sultan but to drag this issue into such argument is ‘super’ lame. and I thought Kasim Amat was that. Tuanku, any Tuanku, PLEASE, (I pray) see through this bunch of lies/jokers who is trying to drag down ‘Kedaulatan’ Tuanku with their inept and corrupt parties.

    Bring on I say- the berbagai-bagai Bukit elections-and let us, the rakyat show who should be doing the ‘defying’ thingy!

    *still having terrible back pain

  82. #82 by Onlooker Politics on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:49 am

    With Genting International’s plan to invest additional RM1.4 billion into the Singapore casino project, the Genting Highland casino and hotel resort of Malaysia will most likely lose out a lot of prospective income in the future when confronting with the keen competition from its Singapore counterpart.

    Genting Group’s attempt to diversify its investment into a neighbouring country, namely Singapore, clearly shows that this Malaysia-based gambling and tourist resort business giant has big worry about the tendency change towards religious fundamentalism in current Malaysian political climate. By shifting some of its assets to a foreign country like Singapore, Genting Group will position itself in a much sounder financial position since it will be able to disperse its country risks among several countries of different degrees of political stability. This sounds to be a good news to the investors of Genting Group’s shares.

    The biggest loser in such business move of Genting Group will be the Federal Government under the control of Barisan Nasional. This is because the expected drastic drop in the prospective income in casino and tourism business segments of Genting Group will cause a sharp reduction in corporate income tax contribution in the next one or two years from such a business giant to the Inland Revenue Department (IRD) of Malaysia. As Genting Highland and Resort World business groups used to be major contributors of corporate income taxes to the IRD of Malaysia, the mini scale capital flight seems to be an alarming sign which sends the strong warning message to the financial market that the Malaysian unemployment rate and sluggish economic situation are going to turn worse in the near future, largely due to the investors’ losing confidence in the political stability due to the intensified sabotage activities plotted by Najib’s new administration!

  83. #83 by draken001 on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 11:59 am

    Knowing that the BN can bend the rules as and when they like for fear of losing out to the opposition in this current situation, why not by March, let Najib establish a dictatorship like Pinochet and Generalissimo Franco and be done with it. And let the world judge us for what we are. I’m totally sick of all these shenanigans. This country deserves what it deserves, if the silent majority is not going to come out and call for change.

  84. #84 by Onlooker Politics on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 12:24 pm

    “…why not by March, let Najib establish a dictatorship like Pinochet and Generalissimo Franco and be done with it.” (draken001)

    Most commentators and readers come here with the intent to prevent the establishment and flourishment of a possible disctatorship in Malaysia. We should go all out to preserve the rule of law by way of parliamentary democracy plus respectable judiciary under the supervision by a symbolic figurehead of the ruler. We are not meant to bestow either the Sultan or the Executive with excessive power in order to bring forth much more devilish deprivation or exploitation of the dictator unto the civilian citizens of Malaysia.

    The Perak State Assembly should be immediately dissolved in order to lay path for a snap state election for purpose of letting the people have the final say on the matter of what government or which government they want it to govern them as the governed!

  85. #85 by taiking on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 12:53 pm

    Fortunately Tuan McBully was himself not consistent with the stand. For he is equally guilty of the same in Terengganu and Perlis.

    And what’s more, the sultans were never a part of our modern day umno dictated gutter politics. Well at least not since independance. The knowledge gained as an observer merely (even a good observer) is never quite like the experience of a real player in the field. So not only would they find the arena unfamiliar and daunting, even the people in general would find their presence in the arena odd and somewhat unnecessary.

    And the sultans must bear this in mind. That malaysians are not ignorant and illiterate like they used to be. They no longer accept decisions without justifications and basis. By dragging them into politics, umno in effect is off-loading some political responsibilities onto them. Should they speak without basis or justification, they would immediately be seen as puppets of umno and would be cast aside as irrelevant and out of tune.

    And the sultans must also bear this other point in mind. The trail of money is neither fixed nor clear like the trail of principles. Umno is an ardent tracker and follower of the money trail. Sultans must therefore steer clear of umno and their money trails. Otherwise, the sultans would be rejected as useless by their own subjects.

    These are the dangers awaiting the sultans should they allow themselves to be dragged by umno into their infamous gutter politics.

  86. #86 by k1980 on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 1:08 pm

    No nude photos of MB Khalid could be found, so:—

    The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission has completed its investigations and has found a case against Selangor menteri besar Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim over the purchase luxury cars and cows. He is expected to be charged.

  87. #87 by bclee on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 2:06 pm

    looking at the current depression economy ireland spain,hungry already in turmoil and euro banking system will eventually heading for another big problem. just imagine US banking leverage 1:26 but euro zone banking system has been leveraging 1:60.woow….
    i just wandering how much our banking system leverage thier porfolio?
    let see how much the US government stimulus packages up till today, The Budget Deficit continues to grow… Let’s see what the total board has so far… $1.2 Trillion forecast by the Congressional Budget Office, $787 Billion in the “new and improved stimulus package, $350 Billion of TARP left over to be spent this year, and now $75 Billion in the mortgage bill… Getting closer to a $2.5 Trillion Budget Deficit with every passing day.
    when the whole world are talking about how to help thier ailling economy our government still playing around the politic game what a shame

  88. #88 by One4All4One on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 3:12 pm


    My Goodness,

    What has become of the people of this country???

    Especially those who are trying to elbow for power, those who think of themselves as champions of society? Those who think of themselves as leaders of the community? But who aren’t!!

    Seems like they have all gone INSANE!!

    Seems like they have lost all their senses!

    Seems like they have retreated to the Primitive Ages!

    For goodness sake, WE ARE LIVING IN THE 21 CENTURY!

    The behaviour displayed by politicians, or rather the pseudo-politicians, especially those from the mainstream are just sheer disgraceful and shameful.

    As if they are a bunch of hopeless lost kids crying for attention.

    There is neither substance nor form in their show of hands to support whoever it is. Just pure kiddy stuff! Just like the “mat rempits”, their acts are mere portrayal of hooliganism, show of frustration, show of the ugly side of their character. Show of poor guidance and uncouthness.

    Unlike the true warriors who risk losing arms and limbs, protesting and demonstrating for JUSTICE, TRUTH, EQUALITY, FAIRNESS, LAWFULNESS, MORALITY, BASIC RIGHTS, INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

    The bunch of lost kids have only their own selfish interest to look into.They organise rallies after rallies using government machineries and apparatus, and funded by some powers that be. They lay claims to “supremacy’. They lay claims to special privileges. They fight for funds which had been doled out for umpteen years.

    Compare that to the ordinary folks who spontaneously show up to voice for their basic rights, to show their displeasure at injustice done. No compulsion. No rewards. No hidden agenda. No selfish interest. Only this can be said to be the legitimate voice of the rakyat.

    Malaysia, where are you headed, I wonder.

  89. #89 by bclee on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 3:58 pm

    One4All4One Says: Malaysia, where are you headed, I wonder

    we are heading to more wounded on our own land. rigggit at 3.67 -3.70 range bound,will be more down i think.
    the rakyat will suffer long time despression,most properly this economy situation will drag more than 2 years before we can see a sight of hope worse than the 1930 great depression.

  90. #90 by One4All4One on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 4:14 pm

    Can BN Youth’s rally last night be seen as an attempt to stir and provoke racial tension? They were seen as attempting to pit the rakyat of various political parties against one another.

    Theirs was an act of challenging the rights of others to believe and practise what they chose to, as long as the laws are not breached.

    BN youths have to know that they cannot force their ways into others’ domain. They have to learn to respect the rights of others.
    They simply cannot “bermaharajarela”.

    Do we have to shout “Long Live The King” to show our respect and loyalty?

    Or is that a show of subservience to gain some mileage for whatever?

  91. #91 by One4All4One on Friday, 20 February 2009 - 4:32 pm

    oops, should have been:

    Theirs was an act of challenging the rights of others to believe and practise what they chose to, even though the laws are not breached.

  92. #92 by computation on Sunday, 22 February 2009 - 7:24 am

    “Malaysia, where are you headed, I wonder.”

    to the dogs. of the pits full of najis.

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