Release of Hindraf 5 – pressing agenda of 82 MPs and 196 State Assembly members from DPP

One of the major breakthroughs of the March 8 political tsunami was the transformation of “Makkal Sakti” from a call for the end of the long-standing marginalization of the Malaysian Indians into a rallying and symbolic cry by all Malaysians to end all forms of marginalization against any Malaysian or group, regardless of race or religion.

It is distressing therefore that despite assurances by the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi that he has heard the voice of Malaysians on March 8 for change, actions taken by the second Abdullah administration have proved otherwise – in particular the statement by the Home Minister, Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar refusing to release newly-elected Selangor DAP State Assemblyman for Kota Alam Shah and four other Hindraf leaders, P. Uthayakumar, V. Ganabatirau, R. Kenghadharan and T. Vasantha Kumar from Internal Security Act (ISA) detention.

A pressing agenda for 82 MPs and 196 State Assembly members from DAP, PKR and PAS in Malaysia is to work out a common strategy for the immediate and unconditional release of the five Hindraf leaders from ISA detention and to ensure that the second Abdullah government understand the meaning of “Makkal Sakti”.

(Speech at the DAP Bukit Glugor general election thanksgiving dinner to celebrate re-election victory of Karpal Singh as MP for Bukit Glugor at Long Say Building, Burmah Road, Penang on Saturday, 29th March 2008)

  1. #1 by k1980 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:46 am

    This sms is making its round in Penang.


  2. #2 by Saint on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:01 am

    Thank you is all we can say for the efforts to release the Hindraf-5

  3. #3 by chanjoe on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:22 am

    From past experience, its really very difficult or in fact nothing can be done to secure the early release of the Hindraf 5 from ISA.

    They are being detained under the whims and fancies of the Home Minister and nobody can release them unless with the approval and signature from him…the botak.

    I remember during the 1977 Operation Lallang, LKS and others were detained too and we, the members in DAP launched numerous campaigns to secure their release and even go on signature campaigns and we collected more than 50,000 names and submitted to PM but still couldnt do much.

    We we should actually do is to continue the awareness campaigns to remind the Rakyat and the World that these Hindraf 5 are being detained very unjustly. We can put more pressure on the BN Govt by having nationwide signature campaigns, put up banners, hold ceramahs and maybe even have “peaceful demonstrations” (thats what the Police says) to continue the awareness.

    DPP should go international to push for world attention on the issue.

    The next easy step is to get 30 MPs to come join DPP and then Dpp can form the new Govt and an immediate release shall be activated.

    There are many events we can do but we must keep the momentum going and “Makkal Sakti” shall be the “coined word” in all future campaigns just like “Reformasi”…

  4. #4 by tswern on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:29 am

    Syed Hamid,


    Not next week, not tomorrow, but NOW!

  5. #5 by bystander on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:32 am

    NOW UMNO wants to punish the 5 for causing them to lose in the election

  6. #6 by NotProudToBeMalaysian on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:32 am

    Yes, the only thing I believe, could release those Hindraf 5 fast is to throw those “suckers” out and bring in the new PM.
    Maybe Tengku Razaleigh will do.
    Otherwise, it’ll be a waste of time for everyone.

  7. #7 by KL Dude on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:37 am

    The refusal of the Home Minister, Datuk Syed Hamid Albar to release them as mentioned by him is on the grounds that the government cannot simply react to political parties’ calls and have to give priority to public safety and peace and will give due consideration only if there is no threat to national security, it seems.

    The question is threat and national security to whom ? UMNO or the rakyat ? This UMNO scumbags are talking on behalf of the government and have not obtained the views of the rakyat and other parties about the issue. They are the ones actually under threat and insecure now.

    Really hope BR will fight this all out and get full support from the Rakyat. Then must be defeated again on this issue, just like what happened to Perlis & Terengganu and really hope there’ll be some support from the royalties again this time to put this UMNO scumbags to shame and loose their support from the rakyat more.

  8. #8 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:47 am

    Datuk Syed Hamid Albar isn`t very relevant either. As Foreign Minister he has bred these sort of people:

    MIRI, Sat: Sarawak Immigration Department Director Datuk Robert Lian lamented today that a senior immigration officer was unable to tell him where Uruguay is.

    “I had not even asked him yet about the capital (of Uruguay),” he said when launching the 5S Practice for the divisional immigration department, here.

  9. #9 by kerishamuddinitis on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:49 am

    This situation is now different enough from the previous instances of detention under ISA. Now, the Hindraf 5 detention came after the government response to a rally to bring the communities’ dissatisfaction to the attention of those in the government. It caught the attention of the entire nation, not just one community. The issues were well tabled in various mediums and channels outside the immediate control of the government. The charge of having terrorist links is such a drummed up charge with international and global implications that it is without any truth to it and defies logic for the idiots in authority to have exercised ISA.

    Bodowi says he will hear and he will listen. The rakyat are shouting ‘RELEASE THE HINDRAF 5’ – Bodowi pretends that is no such demand from the people.

    Ka-ting says MCA will say what needs to be said – as usual all talk, no action. He says work quietly is MCA’s style – he is sleeping along with Bodowi, that’s how they work. So, SAY IT LOUDLY AND CLEARLY NOW, Ka-ting ‘RELEASE THE HINDRAF 5!’

    Semi-Value is gone, gone, gone! MIC is quiet, quiet, quiet – because the loudmouthed hooligan is now matikudasai. So, where-lah, you say you reperesent interest of your community – the HINDRAF 5 are all Indians-lah regardless of whether they are MIC members or not. There comes a time humanitarian considerations, human rights and legality over-ride party loyalty and partisanship.
    So, all MIC anehs, shout now ‘RELEASE THE HINDRAF 5!’ before it is all too late and the Malaysian Indians will treat you like a pariah party forever.

    For the rest of us Malaysians who support this demand to release the Hindraf 5, let’s please start a cyber campaign and petition the Agung for their release!

    I will sign up.

  10. #10 by badak on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:50 am

    What lahhh…. Its because of this HINDRAF guys 5 States felt to the opposition. Its not because BN sucks ,Its not because that the BN goverment is corrupted, It is not even about body snatching and breaking of temple or even of snatching BIBLES.It is all about this five guys from HINDRAFT.

    Now all the UMNO big guns are drinking ANCHOR DRAFT at five star coffee house and blaming this five guys.

    But one guy is smilling because now there is more money for UMNO to keep… Because there is no more PPP ,GERAKAN and MCA is almost dead.WAHHH we in UMNO can be more corrupted Cheeeers…

  11. #11 by grace on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:50 am



  12. #12 by KanNinNeh on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:02 am

    Uncle Kit,

    AAB is prepared to lose in the next GE !

  13. #13 by LittleBird on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:07 am

    Why should the government let them go.? All this while we kept them under our controlled with Samy’s help getting 90% of votes of Indians and now came the 5 fanatics taught the Indian to stand up for their rights. To vote against BN and MIC. Not only that the Chinese also started to support them. Not scarred of keris (mud in). Now, how to controlled Indianslah. Infact, the IGP and PM and DPM said the five were terrorists. All the voters of Manoharan also supporting terrorist and should be ISAed.


  14. #14 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:15 am

    I`m rather curious, in the event that a vote of no-confidence against Badawi is presented in Parliament, by say an UMNO MP, which way will the `Barisan Rakyat` members vote.

    “On the other hand, a ’no confidence’ motion in Parliament carried through followed by OBE’s resignation from the PMship opens the way for the Agong to appoint as PM someone who, in His Majesty’s view, commands the confidence of the majority of the Dewan Rakyat.”

  15. #15 by Citizen voice on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:46 am

    BN must use their brain hard to think what to do now. If they smart enough to release 5 Hindraf by now, they still got hope to continue sitting on their chairs; if not, they have to buy their own chairs in the next GE.

  16. #16 by mauriyaII on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:58 am

    Weythamurthy of the Hindraf globalised the marginalisation issue of the Indians. He is still in self exile to explain how the Indians, though citizens of the country, have become the poorest in the country that is their homeland through the evil Machiavellian machinations of the BN government.

    If the Home Affairs Minister, Syed Albar turns a deaf ear to the appeals to release the Hindraf 5, then the unjust detention of the 5 should be made known throughout the world.

    World pressure must be brought to bear on the BN government to release the 5. Failing which the world leaders with conscience should rethink their country’s investment and air programmes in Malaysia.

    Countries like India which import palm oil from Malaysia should look elsewhere (Indonesia?) for their palm oil needs. When Malaysians of Indian Origin are demonised and their leaders detained under the draconian ISA, it is high time that India takes affirmative action for the release of the Hindraf 5.

    India should also tell these UMNOputras in the strongest terms that their lucrative highway contracts in India would come under the scanner as such contracts have not benefitted the marginalised communities in Malaysia.

    Before Malaysia becomes an outcast in the comity of nations and and become ‘marginalised’ it is imperative of the BN leaders to take stock of the situation and do the necessary:

  17. #17 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 11:58 am

    It seems that Gobind Singh Deo, representing the 5 Hindraf’s lleaders currently detained in Kamunting, Perak under the Internal Security Act (ISA) had raised the point on the first day of the habeas corpus application that the detention orders stated – and were based on – the Hindraf leaders posing “a security threat against the government and UMNO”.

    Now in a sense, what the detention orders stated was right : Hindraf and its leaders did pose “a security threat against the government and UMNO”. Hindraf had an impact on voters of Malaysian Indian descent and other voters as well. The MIC was decimated in the last 12th General Election. Voters registered their strongest protest votes ever against the government and UMNO, and BN lost its 2/3 majority and but for ½ million votes, was on verge of losing the election as well. The results of the 12th General Election vindicated Hindraf’s call for “Makkal Sakti”.

    So the facts upon which the ISA detention orders stated were right – Hindraf and its leaders did pose “a security threat against the government and UMNO”.

    The unfortunate part is that according to ISA law, that is not the correct legal basis.

    The correct legal basis is that for the ISA to apply to Hindraf’s leaders, they must pose a threat against the “security of the country”! And the reference to “country” is not a synonymous to a reference to “the government and UMNO” as allegedly stated by Gobind Singh Deo to be the expressed basis in the detention orders. It is ludicrous to arrogate the government and UMNO as synonymous with the country so that a security threat to the first is equated as that for the latter! As for as security threat to country goes, neither has the alleged link of Hindraf with LTTE been proven.

    On this ground alone, the detention orders cannot be allowed stand for being misconceived and misapplied.

    Our Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar is trained in the law. He ought to understand that the detention orders were misconceived. He shouldn’t push the buck to those responsible for review to make the decision. Review is generally undertaken every six months by an Advisory Board to the Home Minster. In the interest of justice, Hamid Albar can order an earlier review, now. An application for judicial review may take longer knowing the courts’ conjested calander.

  18. #18 by lakilompat on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 12:46 pm

    Sorry guys Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar report to his boss. If boss, Pak Lah say cannot, then what he can do? he must obey like dog.

    Even Datuk Zaid Ibrahim have to oppose Sultan’s appointment in Terengganu. It is in front page of NST on Monday March 24, 2008 that Datuk Zaid Ibrahim, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department in charge of legal affairs, appeals to the palace to accept Idris, dismissing Ahmad’s claims of support as hollow. This fellow look like a good man, sound like a good man, even wrote some book like it is, but is he good, or he’s forced to obey his master, Pak Lah?

    I’m very very frustrated they have yet released the Hindraf 5 and those reason given by Syed Hamid Albar (is this a reason i wonder?), really unacceptable, ridiculous, absurd, blasphemy, that Malaysian don’t need law anymore, simply detain ppl by cooking up, oh is national security. This is “Kezaliman”

    i hoping Barisan Rakyat can lead the rakyat, free us from tamadun “Kezaliman” of Pak Lah.

  19. #19 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 12:50 pm

    HINDRAF leaders not 5 but 6 one is in overseas should be released without any trial.

    The 12th general election has send the message to BN leaders that the indians together with the chinese and malays have choosen for the change.

    5 state governments fell. One Federal territory also now in the hands of the opposition.

    The 82 Parliamentarians and 196 state reps should now move forward to press the BN government to release the 5 +1 hindraf leaders without condition and trial.

    Even MIC, MCA and Gerakan together with other coalition BN parties should come forward to show their support. Gerakan nowadays is hitting hard on the UMNOputras for their heavy casualities in the general election.

    While the signature campaign goes on, we need the 82 +196 to also send in their support for the release of the hindraf leaders.

    Does the King have any provision to call for the release? If there is any provision better use this channel and send the signature to the King for the release of these leaders.

    The Internal Security Minister says he could not decide. Then who decide. Which ministry controls the police force and the prisons. Is Datuk Syed Hamid Albar position as the Minister for these departments being withdrawn and given to someone else. Then who is that Minister or so?

    The King has got things done the right way for the Trengganu MB crisis. The Raja of Perlis have also thrown his version in choosing the MB. The Raja also have invited the PAS member to be part of the EXCO.

    The Regent of Perak have done it in a different manner way off the traditional way. He has appointed and accepted more non malays in the EXCO.

    In Selangor the Sultan gave stern warnings to UMNOputras not to cause trouble in the state by holding demonstrations in regards to EXCO selection. The sultan also told that police will be called to roundup all those trouble creators. All UMNOputras just stood back and stopped all their demands.

    DPP should now use the King to solve the release of the 5 + 1 Hindraf leaders.

    BN have lost their faith with the Malaysians. Even UMNO is now sub-divided. Ku Li has started his revenge. Many UMNO Leaders and Youths have been calling for Pak Lah to resign. UMNO is under very serious trouble said Ku Li in his interview last week.

  20. #20 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 12:53 pm

    Jeffrey QC,

    We have to look to case law to find how the courts defined “a threat to the security of Malaysia or part thereof” which is the language used in the Internal Security Act (ISA) under Sec 8(1).

    The poor drafting of the detention order does not in my opinion raise issues of law that could lead to the unconditional release of the detainees. The detention order is not so flawed that it could not be corrected. Even if released detainees could then be detained under a fresh order.

    Sec. 11 of the Act rather than Sec. 8 needs to be looked at closely. What if the Sec. 11 advisory board whose members are appointed by the Agong albeit acting on the advice of the Prime Minister were to meet and make recommendations for the release of the detainees and the Agong using his personal discretion like he did in his capacity as ruler of Trengganu gives his stamp of approval, would it not lead to another face-off between government and monarch? Could the BN government afford to ignore his Majesty?

  21. #21 by lakilompat on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:01 pm

    Guys, any possibility the Barisan Rakyat can seek help from Sultan’s to release these ppls. ? or are we asking too much? Sultan protect the people. “Daulat Tuanku”

  22. #22 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:05 pm

    Opposition have won 5 +1
    5 states and one in Federal Territory

    Hindraf Leaders also make up 5 +1
    5 in Malaysia arrested and 1 in exile Overseas

  23. #23 by pulau_sibu on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:10 pm

    WHAT A DRAMATIC CHANGE?????????????????

    Samy calls for Hindraf 5’s release
    Mar 30, 08 12:12pm
    # MIC president S Samy Vellu today called for the release of the five Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) leaders detained under the Internal Security Act

  24. #24 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:19 pm

    Samy calls for Hindraf 5″s release is

  25. #25 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:25 pm

    I refer to the Malaysiakini report Dr Subra: March 8 an awakening.

    As a politician he knows how to be evasive when asked an uncomfortable question like why was not the MIC given the Works Ministry. The fact of the matter is that the MIC did try very hard to retain this ministry but failed to do so.

    Umno has been wanting to wrestle the portfolio from the MIC for a long time. Of course, many in Umno fail to understand that the works ministry is better off in the hands of a non-Umno minister so the Umnoputras can shamelessly demand and get government contracts without raising any eyebrows.

  26. #26 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:33 pm

    This is one really heavy figure:
    (12) 40,000 children are without even birth certificate in the first place, in the state of Selangor alone (Estimated at least 100,000 nationwide) which is their innate birthright.

  27. #27 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:34 pm

    UMNO has rejected Samy claim’s to retain the Works ministry for MIC.

    Its time for MIC to leave the BN and join BR. Nothing is going to work goodwith BN. Its better to join now then to regret after 4 years where another indian party will have the representation of the indians with the Barisan Rakyat government.

    Cabinet ministers have turned down and rejected their appointments.


    Never happened during TDM’s time. Malaysians are fed-up with Pak Lah’s administration. His SIL and son have raped the entire ecomony of Malaysia in the form of billion dollar contracts given to their cronies like Patrick Lim in Trengganu and Penang.

  28. #28 by badak on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:40 pm

    Yeah what…. The 5 HINDRAFT guys was treat to the UMNO led goverment..They were in detention and we lost 5 STATES.If they were out and was CAMPAIGNING all over the country ,By now BN would be the opposition ..


  29. #29 by dawsheng on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:44 pm

    Between precedent and the unprecedented, which took precedence? What gave birth to Hindraf? Wasn’t it the precedented continuation of marginalization which caused the unprecedented political awakening of the Indian community? Or was it the unprecedented complete ignorance from UMNO and the disabled MIC, that set the precedents for the movements of Makkal Sakti? What followed was the precedented arrest using the draconian ISA laws against the Hindraf leaders but what was unprecedented in the arrest is that it gave us strength to bring down a corrupt government.

  30. #30 by nazryan on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:51 pm

    I am for one not just go for the release un-conditionally of the 5 Hindraf release but also all other ISA detainees. These include the alleged JIM etc. If they are as being claimed to be national security treat. Charge them in court. ISA is no more relevant as Ummphh Noo.

  31. #31 by dawsheng on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:58 pm

    82 MPs and 196 State Assembly members from DPP should march to the Palace of Justice and go on a hunger strikes.

  32. #32 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:04 pm


  33. #33 by ppsbmy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:11 pm

    Samy – if you can get them released u will sure to get an extra vote from me when u contest next time.

  34. #34 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:18 pm

    Hmmm. My vote will wait till the MAIKA scandal is cleared up :)

  35. #35 by gofortruth on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:22 pm

    Gerakan has spoken and now MIC Samy. Let’s see how this is going to translate into action.

    But, where is MCA ? I thought they want to speak out openly now for the people.

  36. #36 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:27 pm

    Samy was the culprit to put the 5 Hindraf leaders under ISA. He recommended to the PM to put them under ISA.

    Later he approached the PM and told to remove the charges of terrorism to be withdrawn for the Hindraf supporters detained and prosecuted in Selayang and Shah Alam courts.

    Samy thought he can convince the PM that he will get the support of Indians to vote for the BN. But his Feng Sui version did not work but brought his own people down to casualities in the recent election.

    Samy now is going to ask for the release of the 5 Hindraf leaders. What about the other Hindraf leader in self-exile. If Samy has won in Sg Siput will he talk about the release of the 5 leaders. No way. He would have advised the PM to continue detention for more than 6 years.

  37. #37 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:37 pm

    MIC won 3 – Lost 5
    MCA won 15 – Lost 25
    Gerakan won -2 Lost ?

    Parliament won. Total seats -20


    Why BN component parties must have to wait for 4 years to be completely wiped off. Join early with Barisan Rakyat (DPP) and share your moments to deliver the rights to all Malaysians. Correct the mistakes and misappropriation during BN rule.

    UMNO has its internal fight. Already started. Ku Li has his own team. Rafidah is not happy. MT members are not in favour of Pak Lah.

  38. #38 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:38 pm

    Vehir, that is the perfect observation.
    It is a classic case of cutting his own nose to spite his face. I think he`s forgotten that one of the Hindraf demands is that the MAIKA be re-investigated.

  39. #39 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:51 pm

    Nesa Cooperative which Dato Subra heads have got an injunction against MAIKA from selling off the UOA insurance company.

    Dato Subra has told that he will not in any way drop his accusation against MAIKA.

  40. #40 by wag-the-dog on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:00 pm

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  41. #41 by drmaharajahrk on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:10 pm

    Pak Lah warned if we voted out MCA, MIC, Gerakan and PPP there wont be chinese and indian reps in cabinet.

    In 2004 we came near 100 % vote for them, we had so many reps in the Government but when there were issues there was not even a squeak from any of the baffoons.

    Even if what the claim that they were discussing behind close doors and BN spirit was true, at least there should be some results for all to see, but neither was forth coming. So better not to have any reps at all right ?

    And now the biggest joker Samy Vellu is championing for Hindraf. What about all the statements about Hindraf and their ” ulterior motives ” that Samy talked about before the elections ?

    Samy, your time has come – change for the better…………..

  42. #42 by kanasai on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:11 pm

    Peaceful gathering or assembly to voice out certain negleted issues are norms in any democratic system. In other western nations, instead of using force to break the assembly, the police force are helpful in controlling the traffic to avoid unneccessary jam during any assembly. Really can’t understand why Hindraf becomes such a big issue with the use of ISA and demand of release of the detainees. We really have more pressing issues such as nation competitiveness to attract foreign investment to focus on instead of wasting time in such petty matters which cost BN so greatly. Really look forward for the incoming parliamentary sittings with more matured, relevant and substantial debate instead of the release of ISA detainees. When will be the next sittings?

  43. #43 by ric23_my on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:12 pm

    There are 2 groups of people who wanted to release of hindraf 5 …

    Group 1: who wanted to show to public that they are capable to do so, and to show they have equal power with stupid BeeAnn … this group of ppl show that they are hungry for power even they do not have full power now …

    Group 2: who wanted to release the hindraf 5 so that they can back in service to lead the ppl forwards …

    If you all are a malaysian, u all should know wat is the problem in this country … u are surrounded with a group of racist ppl that playing the law on their hands …

    this ppl gain supports by raising up racist issue … that’s the reason why the hindraf’s leaders are detained … with the intension to remain supports by claiming the indian challenge their privilege …

    The more we pressure the goverment (mainly UMMNO) IN PUBLIC to release the hindraf 5, the chances to release hindraf 5 is getting lower … coz they need to explain and convince to their supporters (racist ppl) if they release hindraf 5 …

    If you all really have the intension to release hindraf 5 so that they can back to service to lead ppl forwards … then use the brain to handle this issue carefully …

    We all are facing a group of extremist that play the laws on their hand without reason … think smartly before making any actions … pls behave like a government instead of opposition … the louder u shout to release hindraf, the less chances they can be released …

    Point the gun to MIC and MCA for the issue of hindraf 5 … the pressure is on them so that they can gain back support … do it in a inteliggent way … u are going to ruin the situation as this group of extremist is finding excuse to fight against u in this issue …

  44. #44 by mendela on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:19 pm

    Comment found in Malaysia-Today:

    “written by Layman, March 29, 2008 | 23:57:27

    This information is provided by Captain Reinu Balakrishnan


    “The Malaysian Airlines pilot recently convicted in Australia for possession of child pornography is a declared Malay, Muslim , AHMAD SHAUQI BIN AHMAD SAID, staff number 1086993 and is non other than the son of the Director General of the Anti- Corruption Agency of Malaysia , DATUK SERI PANGLIMA HAJI AHMAD SAID BIN HAMDAN who has himself come to a CORRUPT agreement with IDRIS JALA , the Managing Director and others in Malaysia Airlines , ‘ not to take disciplinarry action as required in the company policy ‘ against his son for his criminal conviction.
    I will be forwarding this information worldwide to educate them on the state of affairs in Malaysia and they can evaluate for themselves the Government’s declarations of truth , cleanliness, transparency, Islam Had etc. Drugs was one thing but sometimes , this child porn strikes different cords !!!!! Who cares about technicalities ?
    I guess god is helping me to punish the criminals who have tried to destroy me and my family for being professional. God must also realise that I was also injured for being INDIAN in MALAYSIA” … Captain Reinu Balakrishnan.

    With this revelation, lets hope that justice is served… “

  45. #45 by drmaharajahrk on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:24 pm

    Oh My God !!!!

    ACA DG’s son ?

  46. #46 by pulau_sibu on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:29 pm

    Can all of us go and experience the kind of life under ISA? Is there such a facility to let us experience it, say for a week? I want to apply to be detained under ISA. I asked because we are too small to be jailed under ISA

  47. #47 by frusmalaysian on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:34 pm

    Just being naughty: MCA is quiet because they asked, ” My Commission Ada kah?” and the reply they got was, ” Tak dah “. So I keep quiet lah.

  48. #48 by ZhouYu on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:41 pm

    Samy Vellu calls for release of Hindraf 5

    You can save some breath now

  49. #49 by chanjoe on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:41 pm

    Can DPP MPs pick up the case of the child porn involving the DG of ACA?

    This is a big serious case which buat malu to all Malaysian just like the Mat Taib money case.

    Again it had been swept unthe the carpet but this time please take away the carpet and expose it out….

    Father is bigwit in ACA then anak buat salah he cover up…another case of “tutup satu mata”?

    Really makes me sick of what all these bigwits do to cover up their anaks and kuncho kunchos.

    LKS pls do something about this….please…please…please

  50. #50 by Loh on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 3:55 pm

    PM AAB yesterday referred to the action of the demonstrators who demanded sometime ago at Komtar Penang for Malays right, and told the Penang government that the minority group, the Malays, in the state who should not be marginalised.

    Hindraf 5 only led their supporters to tell the government that the Indians are the minority in every state in the country, and their interests were not protected. Hindraf wanted to sue the governemnt of the United Kingdom.

    Hindraf 5 were arrested under ISA, but the demonstrators led by the UMNO division chief of Bukit Mertajam was praised tacitly for their action, when both Hindraf and UMNO demonstrators were doing the same thing of claiming that their communities were being marginalised. Why the double standard?

    PM AAB told Penang government to look after the interest of Malays who are in the monority in the state. Does PM AAB need reminders that there are minority groups of non-Malays in every state, and why has his governemnt been marginalising them? As for Penang, the BN has been in control since 1972, and PM AAB was himself the head of UMNO in the state. If the Malays are marginalised under his charge, when he had the resources of the whole country at his disposal, what can the Penang government do more than his BN controlled government?

    PM AAB said that equal opportunity for all may not be fair. He thinks that he is greater than God in his ability to dispense fairness. Man cannot decide what is fair, and the best he can do is to ensure that he should not discriminate in the use of his power.

    PM AAB is all powerful as the PM. But he is obviously not as intelligent as TDM. Is it fair that the less intelligent person becomes the most powerful person? Obviously UMNO cannot award the Presidency of UMNO in a manner which can be considered as fair. But it can always provide equal opportunity for its members to stand for election.

    The precondition of quota support initiated during TDM’s reign maybe meant to preserve fairness! But TDM said recently that the quota system should be removed. Well, it is vintage TDM whose practise of double standards for his own benefit is the only permanent truth.

  51. #51 by drmaharajahrk on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:26 pm

    he’s the first PM who lost his home state to the opposition.

    tak de malu ka

  52. #52 by yang tahan mati on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:36 pm

    Most probably Samy Vellu thinks that by shouting to call the release of the Hindraf -5, he will gain back the supports and respects from the populace of Malaysia at large. But it’s a bit too late right now, he should have done it before the election and immediately after the Hindraf-5 were arrested under ISA. Is this the first time Samy Vellu acts against Umno’s will?

  53. #53 by HJ Angus on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:38 pm

    It is good that Samy Vellu has declared he will seek the release of the Hindraf 5. Let us not simply comdemn hin blindly – maybe he has learned his lesson?

  54. #54 by drmaharajahrk on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:51 pm

    Samy asking why only one Indian rep in EXCO line up in opposition controlled states. He says opposition should give more seats for Indians. Does he realised in BN controlled states in the same ?

    And worst still in Pahang, no Indian rep at all. They couldnt find one single Indian in the whole state of Pahang qualified to be an EXCO member ?

    Better for Samy to question BN first as he is an insider rather than question the opposition where he has no influence at all

  55. #55 by novice101 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 5:58 pm

    The government says M. Manoharan is a security risk and poses a threat to the public, that should mean it has evidences which allowed them to come to this decision. Then, he should be charged in court and the proper sentence be meted out to him. If, he can’t be charged in court, then he should be immediately released.

    Refusing to do so, is, showing disrespect to the rakyat and is disregarding its expressed wishes. It would also mean the government is paranoid !

    The rakyat is now keeping tabs of the numbers of blunders committed by the BN government. It counts this as one.

  56. #56 by justice4all on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 6:53 pm

    The govt is in a difficult position whether to release the Hindraf 5.
    The general population expects them to be released. They do not believe the mainstream media propaganda nor the govt’s reason for detaining them.

    If the govt releases them, these people will align themselves with BR and it is detrimental to the cause of the BN. If the govt does not, it will incur the wrath of the general populace. But this is not felt for the moment, except that this incident will be recalled in the run-up to the next GE. If the govt. does not play its cards right, BN might find itself to be in the Opposition in the next GE.

    So why is Samy Vellu now wanting the release of the Hindraf 5, when earlier he has strongly castigated them? Is there a political motive behind this? Has he really learnt his lesson? Or will he be using this as a talking point against the Hindraf 5 in the future?

    Whatever the case may be, I am one for their release as I do not in the first place believe that they are a security threat to this nation! They are definitely a ‘threat’ to the future of the BN, and UMNO knows it.

  57. #57 by kickbutt on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:16 pm

    Does anybody here know how many detainees are there today, their names and the reasons why they were detained?? This list has not been updated! Some among these have since been released but I’m sure there are more than five detainees today.

    Why is the DAP fighting only for the release of the five and not all??

  58. #58 by kickbutt on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:18 pm

    My bad!! The list has been updated.

  59. #59 by Tickler on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:19 pm

    If there is a shameless human being award to be presented,it should go to our infamous Indian Samy Vellu.Today he is asking that the 5 HINDRAF leaders be freed because he has had his ass burned by the biggest wild fire he has ever seen in the the name of “Makkal Sakthi”.His MIC has been so badly burned that almost all his top leaders lost their seats in the recent elections.

    Samy threatened the Indians saying that they would not have anyone to represent the Indian community if MIC was not voted in.The Indians in returned showed him that they cannot be threatened by him nor were they bothered about MIC representing them as they saw it ,it didnt make a difference whether MIC was around or not.MIC had become irrelevant to the community.

    Before today he condemned HINDRAF as troublemakers and actually pushed the Government to take action on the leaders and those that participated in the famous November 25th rally.There are numerous You Tube clips to prove this.

    Today the snake is shedding its skin in order to please the Indian community and hoping to regain their support for his irrelevant MIC.He is claiming to reveal the truth that he has been helping those Hindraf supporters that were arrested and also trying to secure the release of Manoharan and Kenghadharan.

  60. #60 by vehir on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 7:29 pm

    Extract from:
    Wilayah Persekutuan : Pembangkang yang kotor
    Saturday, 29 March 2008

    ADA sesuatu yang mungkin sedang dirancangkan oleh pakatan pembangkang untuk menjejaskan kesejahteraan warga kota serta pentadbiran Kementerian Wilayah Persekutuan dan juga Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumput malah penghantaran mesej mereka, tidak mahu tunduk kepada sebarang perbincangan yang bakal diatur oleh Menteri Wilayah Persekutuan membayangkan bahawa pakatan pembangkang ini berkumngkinan besar mahu mencetuskan suasana tidak aman, selamat serta makmur di Kuala Lumpur.

    Pakatan pembangkang yang dilihat mula besar kepala kerana berjaya memenangi lebih daripada separuh kerusi parlimen dalam pilihanraya lalu dilihat lebih mementingkan kepentingan politik mereka daripada memastikan agenda pembangunan rakyat dan menjadikan banadaraya Kuala Lumpur sebagai kota contoh seluruh dunia.

    Malah sudah ada antara mereka yang mempertikaikan kuasa dan wibawa, mempertikaikan demokrasi dan ketetapan malah mereka dengan angkuh dan sombong mahu kerajaan mengkaji semula tentang keperluan mengwujudkan Kementerian Wilayah Persekutuan, kononnya sebagai membazirkan sedang mereka sendiri sedar betapa perlunya kementerian ini wujud bagi menjamin hubungan antara pentadbir kerajaan tempatan dengan kerajaan persekutuan.

    Pakatan pembangkang sebelum mencuba untuk merancang sesuatu bagi menguji kuasa mereka harus kembali melihat sejarah yang ditinggalkan pada tahun 1969.

    Pemimpin politik yang bijak bukan sekadar tahu membaca tetapi mereka dituntut untuk menjadikan sejarah lepas sebagai guru ataupun pengalaman paling berharga dan tindakan mereka yang kononnya mahu memboikot kerajaan di Wilayah Persekutuan jelas mencerminkan bahawa mereka ini antara pemimpin yang buta tentang sejarah dan tidak menghormati kontrak bangsa yang dipersetujui.

    Sekiranya mereka menyimpan beberapa niat yang memungkinkan akan wujud berbagai-bagai ketegangan, kita bimbang peristiwa lampau berulang kembali dan mengheret seluruh bangsa ke dalam kemelut yang mungkin bakala kehilangan banyak perkara

    Selama ini mereka begitu lantang mengkritik kerajaan. Mereka begitu celupar memperkecilkan kredibiliti Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur tetapi apabila mereka diberikan peluang untuk diajak duduk semeja berbincang demi kepentingan rakyat terbanyak, mereka angkuh menujukkan kuasa, kononnya suara mereka lebih ramai dan tidak perlu mendengar pandangan suara yang lebih kecil bilangannya.

    Mereka juga mengistiharkan sesama mereka bahawa pakatan pembangkang adalah parti yang memerintah Kuala Lumpur dan kerana terlalu gila mahu berkuasa, mereka lupa bahawa Kuala Lumpur ada peraturan ataupun disiplinnya tersendiri dan sikap mereka tidak menghormati Menteri Wilayah yang mengangkat sumpah di depan Yang Di Pertuan Agung juga membayangkan keangkuhan mereka untuk tidak menghormatai sesiapa sahaja termasuklah DYMM Yang Di Pertuan Agung.

    Kelompok pembangkang ini meneruskan tradisi mereka. Tanpa mempedulikan kepentingan warga kota dan tuntutan kerja yang perlu disepakati selepas tempoh getir pilihanraya, mereka terus mempergunakan pendekatan maki hamun, memperlekehkan pegawai-pegawai kerajaan dan mengangap hanya mereka sahaja yang betul. Inilah sikap mereka. Memperalatkan undi rakyat untuk kepentingan mereka semata-mata dan kuasa yang mereka perolehi yang sepatutnya digunakan untuk sama-sama membangunkan ataupun mempercepatkan beberapa pelan pembangunan yang sudah sedia ada disalahgunakan.

    Mereka sepatutnya berlapang dada, membuka ruang yang cukup terbuka untuk menghormati perancangan yang bakal diadakan oleh kerajaan dan kalau selama ini mereka dipinggirkan daripada memberikan cadangan namun kesediaan Menteri Wilayah Persekutuan menghulurkan tangan untuk berbincang seharusnya disifatkan oleh mereka sebagai langkah terpuji.

    Mereka tidak seharusnya meniup api dari dalam kalau mereka meletakkan kepentingan rakyat di tempat pertama dan kita bimbang kalau api yang mereka tiupkan boleh membakar kepada sesuatu yang mereka sendiri tidak mungkin jangkakan.

    Dalam meraikan kemenangan mereka dengan menunjukkan kesombongan dan keangkuhan, mereka jangan lupa apa yang mereka perolehi hari ini adalah sesuatu yang bersifat sementara sekiranya mereka memilih

  61. #61 by penang308 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:28 pm

    Hey guys, I just want to know did the 22 “BIADAP” in Trengganu attended the swearing in today?

    Did they apologize to the Sultan?

    Did they tender their resignation since Idris did not get the MB post?

    Sorry, I know this is off topic, just for my information only.

  62. #62 by chiakchua on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:51 pm

    As a 55 year old non-partisan Malaysian, I wish to appeal to the PM to release the Hindraf 5. The PM had agreed that the BN may not have done enough for the Indian, that’s why BN had lost the support of the Indian during the last GE. Hindraf had just wanted to convey that message; they had wanted to tell the national leaders of the grouses of the Indian society but they were declined or ignored. They had no choice but finally took to the street peacefully but things turned chaotic beyond their control.

    Dear PM, their grouses are genuine, please, I beg you to release them. The world, our fellow non-Malays and some Malays are watching what you will be doing after you had repeatedly said you have heard after the GE. Please show with your deed, not just talk.

    If you consider the way the demonstrators in front of KOMTAR after the GE had behaved, the more the Hindraf 5 shall be released immediately. Aren’t you the PM of all Malaysian? Please release them, at least for the sake of their family members!

  63. #63 by ahluck on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:32 pm

    he guys! go to this site and ask Pak Lah to release the 5 Hindaf unconditionaly. Pak lah will get Pahala

  64. #64 by k1980 on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 9:45 pm

    Pak Lah says Hindraf 5 are very lucky to get free rice

  65. #65 by lakilompat on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:19 pm

    Pak Lah jus 4 yrs and 3 mths in control compare to Tun Dr. Mahathir 22 yrs of regime. There are ppl oppose to Tun Dr. Mahathir too at that times, his last term as prime minister saw Kelantan and Terengganu under PAS. Though he managed to maintained 2/3 majority but you see as country become more advance in term of technology & communications, things will change fast. People no longer rely on news on tv and newspaper. Pak Lah is jus a simple old man to allow transparency on the other hand those cronies who scared will put up advertisement in newspapers to intimidate voters to vote for the right leader. I’m not sure whether is Pak Lah decision to close everything or is Khairy, or his cronies. I believe most ppl will still want Pak Lah as shield so that he can continue sleeping, and is there is any problems the rakyat will blame on him not the individuals who mess up.

  66. #66 by Loh on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:26 pm

    PM AAB thought it proper to cite the demonstration in front of KOMTAR as justification for his statement, quoting his son in law, that Malays were marginalised in Penang.

    PM AAB said that demonstration was not Malay culture. When UMNO lost Penang, demonstration by UMNO members has been officially accepted. Has Malay culture changed after the election results in Penang?

    Has PM AAB made any detailed study to conclude that Malays were marginalised in Penang? Was the claim based on the fact that the Chief Ministers of Penang have always been a Chinese, and thus it is natural that Chinese ministers must discriminate against Malays? The claim was made despite the lack of power by the CM of Penang to discriminate even if he wanted to. Indeed, why did the government express no concern about discrimination of any minority groups in the other 12 states in the country? Was it because the CMs elsewhere were Malays?

    KSK, the former CM of Penang is without doubt the poorest among all the CMs of BN controlled states in the country. Can we ask why is the Chinese CM discriminated by the Federal governement? In paying CM salary to a Chinese rather than a Malay, PM AAB can conveniently claim that Malays too are marginalised in the country. After 50 years of nationhood, the person in the position of PM still harps on race issue to garner political capital. He must have a very simple mind, hardly utilised, and fit for transplant.

    Malays in Penang are free to move out of the state, or to move in. Has PM AAB any statistics to trace the movement of Malays into and out of the state since 1972? How would AAB account for the Malays who have become successful in business and profession and who chose to leave the state of Penang, and have taken root in other states or overseas. Even if Malays in Penang are not as successful as other races, there cannot be said to be marginalised by the people of Penang because it is the central government which is responsible to help the poor.

    NEP had the objective of 30% equity share capital, or to have Malays in the country participated in 30% of business activities in the country. If PM AAB is not even aware of the objective of NEP, and choose to use the 30% measure within a state, or as a measure for any selected activity then ordinary Malays including his son in law can create problems on any issue by claiming that in a particular street, for example, there might not have been 30% of Malay houses, and hence Malays are marginalised. By moving the 30% measuring device, there will be no end to marginalistion claims. Of course when the statistics show 70% in favour of Malays, they want it all, just like employment in government service.

    The son-in-law of PM AAB might be playing the role of racist champion to satisfy TDM’s standard as UMNO leader, but for a PM who claims to be PM for all Malaysians to utter statement as though he had to seek UMNO agreement that he too is a racist is pathetic. That too came after BN has lost heavily despite the use of mailed votes where BN could choose to deposit them to any constituency of its choice.

    The results of the 1969 election was due to the clearcut polarisation of votes. The non-Malays had enough of of government discriminatory policies, and decided that they should not have 2/3 majority. Since then some two million non-Malays have chosen to believe that ballot boxes would not change their fate.

    The recently concluded election saw Malays joining the non-Malays to tell BN that enough is enough. The Malays want to be recognised that when they succeed in life, their success was through their own effort. It bears repeating that the VC of UM said that she would be unhappy if her appointment to the position was achieved by anything other than merit. The same feelings lies in many a successful Malay heart that they are there not because of the ‘dirty approach’ of NEP but they have ‘come of age’. They are stuck with that stigma when BN continues with its perverted approach in hijacking NEP for the benefit of UMNOPutras. The Malays are sick of the unequal opportunity persisting in government policies, and yet PM AAB had dreamt of the statement of fairness. The nebulous objective of attaining fairness presents yet great opportunities of discretional deviation from equal treatment and rule of law.

  67. #67 by alancheah on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 10:37 pm

    Samy now asks for releasing the Hindraf 5.
    B4 election, he did not say that!!!

  68. #68 by showsomemercy on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 1:34 am


    What do they know about Dosa?

    “Samy now asks for releasing the Hindraf 5.B4 election, he did not say that!!!”

    Before elections, Samy call them criminals. He wants to get all the credit now! :) Hope the Rakyat are not blinded but his foolishness! Credit should be give to HINDRAF, BERSIH and all opposition leaders for fighting for the freedom of the 5 Hindraf people and not SAMY!

    Anyway Samy is:-

    He’s FAT
    He’s UGLY
    He’s a NOBODY!!! :)

  69. #69 by buaya on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 1:34 am

    uncle kit

    how abt going to the Agong seek help to release H5?

  70. #70 by Menang atau mati on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 1:55 am

    If what people say is true, i.e Sami put them in, now Sammi trying to get them out and he is trying to get credit for it????

    It is like, create a problem and solve the problem,right?

    So should Sammi get the credit?

    Some people might say he should be “shot”;I say he should be put under “ISA”

  71. #71 by Jeffrey on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 6:44 am

    S Samy Vellu lost his seat in last election but is still MIC president. He now positions himself the champion of the Malaysian Indian community to redeem his image that he was their betrayer. He is taking the opposition to task over the lack of Indians in their state executive councils. “Why only one (Indian state executive councillor?) Why are they following just BN? Is this what they promised before the elections, they have their own motives”. And Samy who had been critical and dismissive of Hindraf in the past will now meet Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi soon to lobby in the interest of “fairness” for the release of the 5 Hindraf leaders held under ISA. Chances are that he would succeed.

    And why not? Wasn’t it the great Otto von Bismark who said that “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable, the art of the next best”? In politics, everything is possible because its objective to secure power, and if that is lost to recapture it, and in this endeavour, winning over public sentiment is everything (for the next round of voting). For this end, politicians are willing to compromise and to make a about face turn.

    Now Pak Lah would most likely release Hindraf leaders soon – the logic of the last election results breaking BN’s 50 year record of 2/3 majority in parliament dictates it – but it must be seen that he is “persuaded” by the MIC president supported by Gerakan (all friends within the BN’s political firmament ) rather than YB LKS or NGOs…This is to drive home message that the politics of “consensus and power sharing” within BN is still, despite the recent electoral debacle, alive and kicking!

    Nothing is impossible in politics. Tun Dr Mahathir the one who started the 30% Umno Quota System now calls for its abolition – well for so long as it would help him rid the country of a leader that he himself anointed as successor. For that he is wiling to be on the same side of the fence as all his nemesis, both Anwar and Ku Li in opposing Pak Lah even if both Anwar and Ku Li had challenged Mahathir when he was president of UMNO. For power, there are no permanent enemies – or friends………..

    Politicians will always be (well) politicians : whichever side of the political fence they play on the rakyat’s sentiments hopes and emotions, get their trust and votes, get to power so as to be able to wield it ostensibly in trust for the rakyat’s weal and well-being, but as the lessons of history amply show, eventually to self aggrandize and enrich themselves and their immediate families and cronies. That is the unchanging nature of human nature which makes Lord Acton comment, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    There are essentially two classes of people, those who rule, and those majority who are ruled and often played out and made suckers.

    So that is why people have to be educated on and vigilant of and prepared to fight for their rights, and meanwhile erect institutions and checks and balances to counter balance against the waywardness of human nature. That is the only condition to guard against servitude and the only premise of freedom and democracy….

  72. #72 by Bigjoe on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:53 am

    Well, Samy Vellu have asked for the release of Hindraf 5. I believe Gerakan has also said they should be.

    Syed Hamid Albar statement is that they will be release ONLY when they are sure they pose no threat to internal security which could be anything they want it to be…

    Although I am all for the release of Hindraf 5, I think Syed Hamid Albar makes a point here. I think if they release Hindraf 5, things could get out of control a la May 13 where the Indian youth behaviour could pissed off ultra UMNOs to violence. Its not Hindraf or the Indian youth that is the problem, its the very insecure and undisciplined behaviour of ultra-UMNOs that is the problem.

    The opposition should ask Syed Hamid to spell out clearly what are the threats of releasing Hindraf 5 and the truth will be revealed that the problem won’t be the Indians or Hindraf but that after 40 some years, BN core policy of NEP and Malay rights fundamentally is hollow.

  73. #73 by LadyGodiva on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:18 am

    “Although I am all for the release of Hindraf 5, I think Syed Hamid Albar makes a point here. I think if they release Hindraf 5, things could get out of control …” BigJoe

    In other words the government’s continued detention of these five is necessary or forced even, in the face of the ‘newly emerging security threat’. You could be right. They have now found themselves in a Catch-22 situation. I don’t know if they realise even that! I don’t know if they know what they are doing!

    The threat claimed is self-fulfilling.

  74. #74 by LadyGodiva on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:21 am

    The security threat is no more the reason for their detention but their release! Interesting perspective!

  75. #75 by pjboy on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:38 am

    Maintain the ISA until BR become the new gomen. If any of the new-opposition (BN) parties demo & shout racial sentiments, lock them up, forfeit their assets-etc, so that they get a taste of their own medicine. Then we will wait & see what they say.

    Samy Toll-ue is now an empty pot or kettle. Maybe it’s just a typical political plot, PM AAB will now release the Hindraf-5 & give credit to Samy Toll-ue since he asked nicely. But we all know better lah. All the dinosaur politicians still treat the rakyat like cavemen, even at this stage.

  76. #76 by Jeffrey on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:47 am

    Unless one denies that Hindraf’s activities and the detention of its leaders have played a role, at least a significant catalyst role in galvanizing electoral protest against the BN – unless one thinks that the BN has no interest in recovering loss ground in the next election – it would otherwise be imperative for the government to consider seriously the release of Hindraf’s leaders as part of the first step in the healing process of not only the racial and other divisions plaguing the society that have in part contributed to the BN’s dismal performance in last elections but also to win back popular support lost.

    One cannot keep Hindraf’s leaders detained just to appease the demands of UMNO-ultras whose antics like keris waving and other threats (1) have only served to alienate non Malay votes and (2) have not exactly proven efficacious in galvanizing complete Malay support either (many of whom swung to the Opposition), as the results of the 12th Malaysian General Election evince.

    Besides, if Hindraf has played a role in the political tsunami of 8th March 2008 – and Opposition has made such significant advancement in the last election, with acknowledgements on both Government’s and Opposition’s side of the Malaysian Indian predicament and need to attend to their problems – what is there to suppose that Hindraf’s leaders, upon release, will continue to protest in the streets? What is the basis for Hindraf to continue or escalate at this juncture its activities before the election?

    The part of “things could get out of control a la May 13” is just bogeyman.

    1969 is not 2008.

    Now the UMNO putras and their cronies have more to loose to instigate such disturbances.

    If they had wanted to, they would have instigated it right after the election to prevent Opposition taking over the state governments. If they did not do it even for that greater reason, why would they do it for a much smaller annoyance, Hindraf???

  77. #77 by Jimm on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:06 am

    The entire HINDRAF movement was badly framed by UMNO as they knew that they need to keep Indians back at where they are to keep control of Ketuanan Melayu.
    Rakyat have decided Malaysian future on 080308 and we will keep pressing on for what in needed for rakyat equally.
    The more UMNO tried to defend, the worst their footing going to be.
    We all knew that it’s the Malays that are kicking UMNO out of their lives now.
    Most Malays have learned from The AAB/KJ/KA kingdom and believe in themselves rather than the 3 father/son/SIL kingdom.
    UMNO …. you’re goner.

  78. #78 by Toyol on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:37 am

    Its simply inhuman to detain people without cause. Have they been accused of something? Then charge them! If not, they MUST be released. The BN govt can no longer run the country. East M’sians…you have been betrayed by BN. Get out now and let BR take over. First thing is to release HINDRAF 5 unconditionally.

  79. #79 by Godfather on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:47 am

    The only “thing that will get out of control” is the continuing lack of support for BN. What do you think the HINDRAF 5 will do once they are released ? They will continue to campaign against the UMNOputras who demanded their incarceration. This is what the BN thieves are afraid of. Not violence, but the outpouring of sympathy against this morally-corrupt regime.

  80. #80 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 10:41 am

    Sammi Vellu (Notorious Indian Gangster head) is an opportunist, he only come out and talk when things are getting messy, u guys still remember the demolition of 100 yrs Hindu temple, after the demolition he come out on tv, said from now on all Hindu temple the Prime Minister must call him and inform him only then they can start work. When he’s still a minister he do nothing seeing his friends been detained. I’m wondering is he an Indian representing all Indian community.

  81. #81 by nazryan on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:04 am

    A story from my mother,

    She lived in a generation where with hope, joyful and happiness, the birth of Malaysia. She watched in vain when May 13 instill fear and always prayed that it will not happen again. She follows the Baling event where poor Malaysians have hard time getting food. She watched with horror the 1988 Judiciary crisis followed by Anwar sacking. She also saw numerous bailout of failed project government in the past. She saw with sadness all those unsolved murdered cases, rapes and prayed for that justice made sooner or later. She is extremely happy with the 2008 PRU12 result. Remark ” I never thought of living when real changes made by the rakyat’.

    Even her generation feels that ISA is now no more relevant. Is it too difficult of a problem for the government to charge all those detainee with a fair hearing? These posed questions:

    1. Are our police, AG, court do not have or sufficient or incapable of charging against the detainee.
    2. Is there no sufficient evidence to produce and then charge them?
    3. Is there no law that govern, these accusation in court so that those found to be indicted face the consequence
    4. Is there still lack in work process, poor coordination between relevant agency to produce, prosecute criminals?

    These poses the how does the ISA relevant to whom and why, and when and what should be done if it is.

    If the answers for all above are yes, it does not mean that ISA is relevant but we need to have a major revamp, investigation, proper management in getting to the bottom of it.

    I do not for once want to see all those saw and experienced by my mother again by daughters and her children

    However, on a positive note, based on the PRU12 result and other event, I strongly believed that I will live to see the end of the corrupted governance, mismanagement if not soon but maybe later

  82. #82 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:22 am

    Maybe it will take another 8 wks after March 8th election, or 8 months after March 8th election with the current Federal govt. it’s hopeless. They will continue to treat Indian as minority, and that they will enjoy a good life flying here and there.

    Pak Lah will rather spend time promoting some local pottery industry and mingle with all the rich ppl rather than spending few minutes to the plight of opposition leader.

    Let’s us pray everyday for some one to reform the federal govt.

  83. #83 by Menang atau mati on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:40 am

    Of course, it is inhumane to detain people under ISA.

    If what Jeffrey say is true,i.e it is not the Hindraf the government fears but the backlash from the ultra umnoputras and the ensuing upheavals, and if the government believes there is nothing wrong with the ISA i.e to detain without trial, then why should the Hindraf leaders be detained?

    Should it not be the ultra umnoputras who should be detained?????

    Those who apply the ISA to silence dissent are worse than war criminals.

    Let them get a taste of their own medicine, then they will realise what they have done.

    What happens if Najib or Hishamuddin is put under ISA for 2 years?Will they still support ISA?

  84. #84 by HJ Angus on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 12:06 pm

    Is there a healing process going on?
    That is something that is lacking in Malaysian politics, although the PM has indicated that the federal will continue with 9MP projects planned for states controlled by the BR(is there another official term?)

    Guess the healing process may begin (if there is chance for one) once the BN components themselves got sorted out.

    Unless UMNO puts in place radical democratic reforms and abandons its elitist and exclusive image, there will be no healing process.

  85. #85 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 2:00 pm

    Healing process, wishes for govt. to reform, and taking note of the defeat, is all fallacy of dream. March 08 Tsunami don’t come easily.

  86. #86 by southallman on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 3:13 pm

    Appealing and writing here is not going to make any difference, it has been done before,did Pak Lah listen, voting 82 opposition MPs and taking 5 states just got him to take a bit of notice, let us all march and get them release(peacefully) i

  87. #87 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:12 pm

    southallman, i was thinking to march oso, let YB LKS or any opposition leader to give us the marching date and wear what color now. I need to take leave from work to join the march and where should we gather?

    Maybe Pak Lah is waiting for opposition leader to march then capture them so he can run the country free from opposition.

  88. #88 by Menang atau mati on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:19 pm

    I will support the march.Just give me the date n time.

  89. #89 by lakilompat on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 4:59 pm

    I will try check with the police whether we can apply for peaceful march in Penang. The problem is where?

  90. #90 by vehir on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 6:54 pm

    Why Buntong DAP Adun Mr Sivasubramaniam resigned from the party?

    He has said that Indians was marginalised. Only given one EXCO seat. DAP won all over the country with Makkal Sakthi votes. The Indians believed that LKS and its team will take due consideration in appointing Indians to the State Exco but trouble is starting with this chinese base party.

    Is DAP same as BN?

  91. #91 by maxplus on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:06 pm


    This is the first time most of our indians swinging into opposition; we are still new in the camp; lets not ask for too many things at once.

    Our true indian leaders are in the detention camp; lets focus in getting them out first.

    Mr Siva should also not forget that the fight for makkal sakti started not by him; i have not heard anything about him before. He should also pay his dues to the Hindraf 5 first.

    Not bother too much about position like those morons who used to be in MIC.

  92. #92 by Menang atau mati on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:12 pm

    Is DAP same as BN?

    Any comparison at all?

  93. #93 by vehir on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:17 pm

    Buntong assemblyman retracts resignation

    Monday, 31 March 2008 06:28pm
    • Perak: DAP assembly person quits

    ©The Star (Used by permission)

    PETALING JAYA: Buntong assemblyman A. Sivasubramaniam, who earlier quit all posts in the DAP, has retracted his resignation.

    He was scheduled to hold a press conference Monday evening to explain his about-turn.

    In a letter to DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng earlier Monday, Sivasubramaniam said he had had lost confidence in the Perak DAP as it failed to fulfill its promise to appoint two Indian state executive council members.

    He added the decision was a “big slap” in the face of Perak Indians and tantamount to deceiving the community.

    “My victory in Buntong was a mandate given by the Indian community in the area, and therefore I cannot accept the decision made by the Perak DAP,” he added.

    When contacted, Sivasubramaniam said he would not vacate his seat and would instead serve as an independent.

    “I have no intention of joining any Barisan component party but will fight for the people of Buntong as an independent,” he said.

    He also questioned why DAP central executive committee member A. Sivanesan, who is from Selangor, was chosen as an exco over other Perak DAP leaders.

    Sivasubramaniam claimed that he and state party committee member and Tronoh assemblyman V. Sivakumar were supposed to get the exco posts as they had worked hard and sacrificed a lot for the party.

    He added that even if an Indian Perak DAP member were to get an assembly Speaker or Deputy Speaker post, it could not “do much for the Indian community.”

    “This is not right. The leadership should be discussing the allocation of exco posts and other appointments with all 18 DAP assemblymen,” said Sivasubramaniam.

    Of the 10 exco members sworn in on March 29, six were from DAP, including one Indian representative, Sungkai assemblyman A. Sivanesan.

    In the March 8 general election, the Opposition coalition won 31 state seats in Perak – 18 seats went to DAP, seven to PKR, and six to PAS – while Barisan bagged 28 seats.

  94. #94 by maxplus on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:19 pm

    The i am sure the latest news is Siva has retracted his resignation.

    Uncle Lim; you need to be extra cautios nowadays with Semi Value; he is making fun of the indian DAP and PKR won candidates and us indian voter who did not vote for BN

    Well he is good for nothing and we all knew that.

    He is now trying to champion the release of the Hindraf 5.

    Tell u what;why not campaign for the release of all the 60 + 5 in ISA; thats fair for everyone right?

  95. #95 by penang308 on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:20 pm

    Please, please Mr Sivasubramaniam,

    We are in this together. We are going to face the reality together. Whether we make it or not, we will always be together!

    Remember, the Malay and Chinese voted for you. We believe we can do it together, NOT CHINESE DO FOR CHINESE, MALAY DO FOR MALAY, INDIAN DO FOR INDIAN!

    Whether the Exco is Malay or Chinese or Indian, he or she suppose to SERVE ALL NOT BASE ON SKIN COLOUR.


    DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO BN’s RULE(“base on race”)?


  96. #96 by vehir on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:24 pm

    KDN tidak berganjak keputusan tahanan Hindraf

    Oleh Bernama
    Isnin, 31 Mac 2008

    KL: Kementerian Dalam Negeri tidak akan berganjak daripada keputusan mengekalkan penahanan lima pemimpin pertubuhan haram Hindraf mengikut Akta Keselamatan Dalam Negeri (ISA) walaupun Presiden MIC Datuk Seri S.Samy Vellu mendesak supaya mereka dibebaskan.

    Menteri Dalam Negeri Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar berkata Samy Vellu berhak menyuarakan apa yang diperjuangkan oleh MIC, namun tindakan terhadap golongan itu adalah berdasarkan proses yang diiktiraf undang-undang.

    “Tugas saya ialah menentukan apa juga isu yang dibuat, bukan satu keputusan berasaskan keputusan saya, tetapi berasaskan proses-proses yang diiktiraf undang-undang dalam menentukan keselamatan dan ketenteraman awam sentiasa terjamin,” katanya kepada pemberita selepas melawat Ibu Pejabat Polis Diraja Malaysia di Bukit Aman di sini hari ini, lawatan pertamanya ke situ sejak dilantik menerajui kementerian itu pada 18 Mac lepas.

    Semalam Samy Vellu berkata beliau akan bertemu Syed Hamid Albar dan Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Abdulah Ahmad Badawi bagi meminta kerajaan membebaskan pemimpin-pemimpin Hindraf itu.

    Ditanya adakah wajar Samy Vellu menyuarakan perkara tersebut, Syed Hamid beliau berkata sebagai ahli politik, Presiden MIC itu berhak untuk menyuarakan perkara itu.

    “Tapi kita mempunyai tugas dan tanggungjawab untuk memberi perkhidmatan yang lebih baik,” katanya.

  97. #97 by maxplus on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:33 pm

    Semi Value tak da muka malu langsung; real muka tebal as they say.

    Who is to speak up for the release?

    A lost BN candidate has a ” hak” to speak up.

    A won DAP candidate cannot speak at all ah?

    And othe MIC member are true morons just watching this jerk keep talking; you orang makan kari ada taruk garam ka?

    Datuk Syed; ask Semi Value how and where he did his hair implant la!!!

  98. #98 by maxplus on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 7:41 pm

    Uncle Sam; pls do not intervene the process of getting the Hindraf 5 release; you may end up spoiling the whole thing.

    Pls take rest and find ways to get the MAIKA money back to the investors; thats your homework

  99. #99 by lopez on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:17 pm

    it is part of the life cycle of malai yan politicians, democracy everyone who went to school knows the word, but do they know what it means , maybe yes to their own interpretation and perceptions.
    everyone is entitle to have his own version of the meaning.

    But as a professional politician, you cannot apply what you personally feel and advocate all your life. When you lied enough and try hard enough you get your way….told long enough it has become the truth and a fact in its own right.
    This bald is one of those sxb, and just a second generation born individual , who hardly even had enough shoulder rubbing with other fellow malaysians than many of us whose forefathers sweat on this land more than that sxb and he is calling the shouts….and using his power to fight the pleads of the people.

    Legalist ways dont work in a K-society.

    You dont obey i whack you
    You dont pay the fine i confiscate your belongings
    You shout back i punish you.
    You object i make your life difficult


  100. #100 by vehir on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:50 pm

    Proton recalls 34,000 Savvy cars

    PETALING JAYA: Proton is recalling its Savvy cars over a possible problem with regards to the car’s rear-wheel bearing.

    The company said a recent inspection has brought to its attention that water could get into the bearing, which could lead to a malfunction.

    “The safety and satisfaction of our customers is a primary concern. As a precautionary measure, we are recalling all Savvy’s for inspection and repair,” Proton managing director Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed said in a press statement.

    The recall will affect a total of 34,000 cars. All Savvy owners are advised to take their cars to the nearest Proton Edar or EON service branch for an inspection.

    Proton said it would conduct the necessary checks and replacements at no cost to the customer.

    They can also call Proton i-Care at 1-300-880-888 for further info.

  101. #101 by One4All4One on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:04 pm

    Response by Home Minister on Hindraf 5 continued detention:

    KDN tidak berganjak keputusan tahanan Hindraf

    Oleh Bernama
    Isnin, 31 Mac 2008

    KL: Kementerian Dalam Negeri tidak akan berganjak daripada keputusan mengekalkan penahanan lima pemimpin pertubuhan haram Hindraf mengikut Akta Keselamatan Dalam Negeri (ISA) walaupun Presiden MIC Datuk Seri S.Samy Vellu mendesak supaya mereka dibebaskan.

    “Tugas saya ialah menentukan apa juga isu yang dibuat, bukan satu keputusan berasaskan keputusan saya, tetapi berasaskan proses-proses yang diiktiraf undang-undang dalam menentukan keselamatan dan ketenteraman awam sentiasa terjamin,” katanya kepada pemberita selepas melawat Ibu Pejabat Polis Diraja Malaysia di Bukit Aman di sini hari ini, lawatan pertamanya ke situ sejak dilantik menerajui kementerian itu pada 18 Mac lepas.

    They are still adamant on holding the Hindraf 5 under ISA.

    If the governmant is SINCERE, it should charge the five in a court of law NOW without any delay. JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED.



    Let us make this a rally call for the Hindraf 5 to be released…until whoever is concerned hear it loud and clear.

    We Malaysians should not be treated in this manner again. We are way and above the lowly and narrow politics being practised in the country. We want equality. We deserve better.

    None is above the other. Even though the constitution gave our malay friends some form of preferential treatment , and which we are trying hard to understand and accept, it DIDN’T say preferential treatment to UMNO.

    Will the attorney general, as the country’s top legal adviser, please come forward and give an explaination to fellow malaysians. List down the charges and proceed to try our fellow hindraf brothers.

    Do you think they pose a REAL threat to the nation? Funny, the rakyat don’t feel that way. Perhaps there are two or more sets of laws? Or the same law applies differently to different people? Is there a selective mechanism here? Please provide us malaysians some answers.

  102. #102 by One4All4One on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:07 pm



  103. #103 by pohwatchdog on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 9:34 pm

    DAP-PKR-PAS given a chance to prove their capabilities to administer Perak. We can see Buntong assemblyman also want to be EXCO. What makkal sakti? Emotional vote…. who to blame. Human is human. DAP equal with BN. Next time Malaysian voters should think
    carefully because DAP candidate is sulking .

  104. #104 by kickbutt on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 12:06 am

    Let’s face it!

    The Hindraf 5 will only be released at a time when the BN government can take credit for it. They will not release them because there was political opposition to their detention. The interest of their families in securing their husbands’ release is now pitted against the political interest of opposition politicians who seek to make a public statement!

  105. #105 by gofortruth on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 12:39 am

    “…..the five Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) leaders held in Kamunting under the Internal Security Act (ISA) will not be swayed by emotions and sentiments but solely be decided in the best interest of the country’s internal security.”
    SHA’s statement on the Hindraf 5 shows how limited his ability to undersatand logic. For crying out loud in what way these people are causing harm to national security? How many cars were torched? How many buildings were alighted? How many shops were looted? How many people were hurt?

    BN component member Gerakan has called for their release. Even MIC president is formally calling for their release. Are they swayed by emotions & sentiments or BN just want to sweep Gerakan & MIC aside like unwanted rubbish?

    Just about every citizen in the country knows & detests that the Indians have been bullied & bulldozed left & right & centre by the BN gomen.
    SHA’s sheer arrogant “we do it our way” style as exposed from the HARD TALK interview last September clearly still speaks loud and clear today. Its a shame PM got him back in the cabinet.
    And clearly our Prime Minister still has not heard the voice of his people.

  106. #106 by BNseedell on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 1:08 am

    Dear YB,

    Please do something quick to resolve the below issue. It looks like this DAP assemblyman is trying to fight only for position and for his Indian community. Why is he so unhappy for not being included as an Exco? Tell him to shut up and look forward not only for Indians but for other races, too. We don’t want this kind of people in DAP and you may allow him to leave but return the seat to DAP. Thank you for your attention.

    Update: Buntong assemblyman retracts resignation

    PETALING JAYA: Buntong assemblyman A. Sivasubramaniam, who earlier quit all posts in the DAP, has retracted his resignation.

    Buntong assemblyman A. Sivasubramaniam
    He was scheduled to hold a press conference Monday evening to explain his about-turn.

    In a letter to DAP secretary-general Lim Guan Eng earlier Monday, Sivasubramaniam said he had had lost confidence in the Perak DAP as it failed to fulfill its promise to appoint two Indian state executive council members.

    He added the decision was a “big slap” in the face of Perak Indians and tantamount to deceiving the community.

    “My victory in Buntong was a mandate given by the Indian community in the area, and therefore I cannot accept the decision made by the Perak DAP,” he added.

    When contacted, Sivasubramaniam said he would not vacate his seat and would instead serve as an independent.

    “I have no intention of joining any Barisan component party but will fight for the people of Buntong as an independent,” he said.

    He also questioned why DAP central executive committee member A. Sivanesan, who is from Selangor, was chosen as an exco over other Perak DAP leaders.

    Sivasubramaniam claimed that he and state party committee member and Tronoh assemblyman V. Sivakumar were supposed to get the exco posts as they had worked hard and sacrificed a lot for the party.

    He added that even if an Indian Perak DAP member were to get an assembly Speaker or Deputy Speaker post, it could not “do much for the Indian community.”

    “This is not right. The leadership should be discussing the allocation of exco posts and other appointments with all 18 DAP assemblymen,” said Sivasubramaniam.

    Of the 10 exco members sworn in on March 29, six were from DAP, including one Indian representative, Sungkai assemblyman A. Sivanesan.

    In the March 8 general election, the Opposition coalition won 31 state seats in Perak – 18 seats went to DAP, seven to PKR, and six to PAS – while Barisan bagged 28 seats.

  107. #107 by lakshy on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 5:09 am

    What about all of us taking leave from work on the same day? Whether it be annual leave or sick leave the effect of so many of us staying at home should be felt by the nation, especially if we are government servants.

  108. #108 by lakilompat on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 8:56 am

    lakshy, tat wun work, becos supervisor or mgr will monitor if too many ppl on leave, he must put some on standby.

    The only way to help out is by having a Peace March having said that, it may not work as well. Nothing will work unless we vote the Barisan coalition out next 5 yrs.

    Can we apply permit to collect petition and donation from public for the release of Hindraf 5. We can have these campaign at major shopping mall. The donation will go to charity and the petition will be handed to Prime Minister.

  109. #109 by Damocles on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 9:07 am

    Once Anwar joins the political arena after 15th April, he can convince BN MPs to jump ship and form the new government.
    When that happened, not only can he release the HINDRAF 5, he can turn the tables on their jailers by using the ISA on them!
    That’ll be poetic justice!
    Then we can see how they squirm!

  110. #110 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 9:37 am



  111. #111 by One4All4One on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 9:44 am

    Maybe an appeal to the YDP Agong for an amnesty would work?

    Cite humanitarian ground. Justice. Constitutional right. Freedom of expression. Malaysian culture of magnanimity. Right of defence.
    Legality of ISA.

    Most of all, the power invested in the YDP Agong to grant an amnesty as he pleases. His majesty’s pleasure.

  112. #112 by lakilompat on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 10:11 am

    The YDP Agong can’t step up to free the Hindraf 5, as the current constitution did not allowed them to get involved in politics.

    Many rakyat also have a feeling that “Agong should not interfere with politics.” the point is if it is necessary then it will be great to do so. I will support the YDP Agong.

  113. #113 by limkamput on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 7:44 pm

    kickbutt says: “The Hindraf 5 will only be released at a time when the BN government can take credit for it. They will not release them because there was political opposition to their detention. The interest of their families in securing their husbands’ release is now pitted against the political interest of opposition politicians who seek to make a public statement!”

    This person’s assumptions are flaw. First he assumed that opposition politicians can’t act sincerely. Secondly, he assumed that BN politicians can not be compelled to do the right things. Sigh…..

  114. #114 by LadyGodiva on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 4:22 am

    …and thirdly, you not only are incapable of understanding English but cannot write grammatical English nor spell.

  115. #115 by limkamput on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 8:35 am

    It is “grammatically correct English” not grammatical English or spell. What else do I have to say?

  116. #116 by kickbutt on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 10:11 am

    “….assumptions are “flaw”?? Muahahaha….!

  117. #117 by lakilompat on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 12:05 pm

    Well at least allowed Manoharon for the sworn in ceremony.

  118. #118 by Come2Papa on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 6:29 pm

    Not to worry, guys! limkamput has his ass kicked so hard that he will not able to sit for a while.

  119. #119 by limkamput on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 8:08 pm

    Can you read come2papa’s posting above, may I know what are you going to do about it?

  120. #120 by KS R on Friday, 4 April 2008 - 5:29 am

    HI Lim

    Keep moving and release the five leaders. I strongly believe that we will take over the Goverment. The years we was suffering God had answer. I pray that Perkatan Rakyat will work together.

  121. #121 by lakilompat on Friday, 4 April 2008 - 10:59 am

    God don’t answer is the Rakyat who answer thru vote ballots. Is human who define the future.

    During a flood a man stay and pray for god to help him. A boat come ask the man to jump in, he said no and continue praying seeking for miracles.
    The water level rises, the poor man went up the roof and continue praying for miracles, a helicopter come by drop the rope, the man said no, and continue praying.
    Then finally the man drowned. He went to Heaven, angrily he tell god, God why you did not answer to my prayers, the god replied him, son, didn’t i send u a boat, and then a helicopter?

    Now god has given us a chance to vote, it is now in your hand.

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