Public inquiry into several billions of ringgit of Wang Ehsan “black gold” expenditures in Terengganu

The constitutional crisis in Terengganu over the appointment of Datuk Ahmad Said as the new Mentri Besar has come to an end with the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi backing off from his original nominee of the former Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Idris Jusoh.

As a result, the front-page article of former Prime Minister Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad in The Sun on “Role of rulers in picking mentri besar” has been overtaken by events.

However, Mahathir’s views on two ongoing controversies – Wang Ehsan and the judicial crisis – are very pertinent.

On the Wang Ehsan issue, Mahathir wrote:

Terengganu is blessed with petroleum deposits. It should get 5% of the total earning from oil production. The Federal Government; fearing the previous PAS government might use this money wrongly had withheld payment.

But when the Barisan Nasional (BN) regained Terengganu the money, now called “Wang Ehsan”, was lavishly spent by the Federal Government on Terengganu. It is not a small sum. Over these years “Wang Ehsan” totalled several billion.

We know that since the BN regained Terengganu in 2004, all kinds of projects have been developed in Terengganu. This includes The Monsoon Cup, luxury housing for sale to foreigners, Crystal Mosque and theme park, university, etc. Some of these projects are very good but many are totally unnecessary and wasteful.

But what the Terengganu people are saying is that all these mega projects costing billions of Ringgit have been contracted out to people outside Terengganu. Terengganu contractors got practically nothing.

But additionally, they say the contracts all went to one person and they are suspicious that behind this person are members of the first family.The rumours also say that the previous Mentri Besar was responsible for these things happening and of course, they think that he might have benefited financially.

The rumours went on to say that the Prime Minister might have influenced the Mentri Besar into doing wrong things. These are all rumours. It will be quite impossible to prove anything as the perpetrators are skilled in hiding themselves.

This is not good for a Government keen to abolish corruption and be transparent. To clear its name, an investigation should be made.

With former Prime Minister Mahathir coming round to the view that there should be an investigation into the expenditures of Wang Ehsan, Abdullah should take up the challenge to institute a public inquiry on accountability and integrity of expenditures of several billions of ringgit of “black gold” through Wang Ehsan in Terengganu in the past seven years since 2000.

In his article, Mahathir also denied any fault, culpability or responsibility for the two-decade crisis of confidence in the judiciary, particularly the 1988 “mother” of judicial crisis which saw the arbitrary and unconstitutional sacking of Tun Salleh Abas as Lord President and Datuk George Seah and the late Tan Sri Wan Suleiman Pawanteh as Supreme Court judges, as well as the suspension of three other Supreme Court judges.

This is what Mahathir wrote:

Even other accusations against me, including the dismissal of judges, were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologise. Ask the Tribunal to apologise.

The person asking that the Government should apologise for what happened to Tun Salleh Abbas may have forgotten that as President of the Muslim Lawyers Association, he fully supported the action that was taken. He castigated the Bar Council for condemning Tun Hamid Omar over the dismissal of judges. Now he wants to be more correct than correct. I wonder why.

If Mahathir could suggest an inquiry into the investigation into the expenditures of several billions of ringgit on Wang Ehsan in Terengganu, he should also support a public investigation into the two-decade crisis of confidence in the judiciary, starting with the “mother of judicial crisis” in 1988.

  1. #1 by ric23_my on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:33 pm

    Any news for selangor exco candidate selection criteria? spider web also appear on my ceiling already …

    or we also inherited the habit from abdulah … “Point made, and point taken”?

  2. #2 by k1980 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:45 pm

    Hello, bapa angkat .. wang ehsan itu dah sampai? Veli good, veli veli good.

  3. #3 by shortie kiasu on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:55 pm

    No wonder the past Administration under BN and Abdullah kept saying they do not have the money to continue subsidizing the price of petrol, diesel & gas.

    All the the petrol monies are siphoned away by the administration’s top guns as in the case in Terengganu.

    The guilty should not be allowed to be left to continue to enjoy the spoils.

  4. #4 by melurian on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:55 pm

    quote: “fearing the previous PAS government might use this money wrongly had withheld payment”

    who is this mahathir to judge that PAS will wrongly use the money. though i’m not PAS supporter and against their theocratic principle, the people of t’ganu voted PAS and they trusted PAS, and PAS should have the “right” to rule t’ganu and use the money how they want to use.

    As if the BN goons including the mad-hatter will “not” wrongly use the money like that!

  5. #5 by Libra2 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:55 pm

    Agreed. There should be an Inquiry on the Judiciary. If I may add. The Inquiry into the Petroleum Royalty should also include the time when Mahathir was PM.
    It was he who gave the money to UMNO to abuse it. The money would have gone to the people had it been given to the then PAS government in Trengganu.

  6. #6 by Jamesy on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 1:59 pm

    “If Mahathir could suggest an inquiry into the investigation into the expenditures of several billions of ringgit on Wang Ehsan in Terengganu, he should also support a public investigation into the two-decade crisis of confidence in the judiciary, starting with the “mother of judicial crisis” in 1988.”

    Mahathir is the “mother” of all hypocrisy?

  7. #7 by wormie on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:13 pm

    Actually, Jamesy, Mahathir is just being a politician! ;)

    Uncle Kit, I am happy that you do not oppose because you have to oppose. You actually supported your ‘nemesis’ openly. However, what can the inquiry do? Even the Royal Commission’s recommendation was rejected, (oops, I mean conveniently forgotten). So do you think any inquiry will have any effect on the Government?

    It is interesting to note that Mahathir put the blame of sacking of Tun Salleh Abbas squarely on the tribunal. To me, what ever left of the independence of the judiciary ended with the sacking of Tun Salleh and the other Supreme Court judges. And this followed a strings of cases judged against the Government of the day, yes under Tun Mahathir. So the timing could not have been more perfect. Is it coincidental? Have an investigations into this matter so that Tun Mahathir can clear his name!

  8. #8 by catharsis on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:29 pm




  9. #9 by Samuel Goh Kim Eng on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:35 pm

    If you’re looking for black gold
    By now it may be gone and sold
    Pray for someone brave and bold
    To reveal what’s not openly told

    (C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng – 280308
    Fri, 28th March 2008.

  10. #10 by Wisdom above on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:37 pm

    To, YB LK Siang,

    Is DAP a multi-racial party ?

    Why no Malay Vice chairman ?

  11. #11 by mrpenang on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:39 pm

    Dear YB Lim KS,

    Investigation will go on due to the popular demand.

    And the result will be:

    “Tiada sebarang bukti menunjukkan Si Idris menyalahgunakan Wang Ehsan.”

    Lets concentrate Penang issue:

    1. The carpark land near Pulau Tikus Market
    2. Padang Tembak Chinese School Reserve Land
    3. PORR project, why a company need to be “restructured” (BN’s Term, BR’s Term is Tutup Kedai) before the project started?

    The Penang state is under BR. Malaysian would like to see the truth which we do not have a single chance before 8th March 2008 – Malaysia Democracy Day. (May be we should make 8 March as a public holiday for Kedah, Pg, Perak, Kelantan and Selangor.)

    LGE – we will support you and have high expectation on you. Please do not let us down. YOU ARE THE BEST.

  12. #12 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:43 pm

    Tun M ought to swear on the Quran that he did not have a part in the dismissal of the judges.

    This is good for his soul!

  13. #13 by Jimm on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 2:44 pm

    All truths will be reveal soon in all the wrong practices and corruption done by UMNO.
    The wall have torn down and they have no way else to hide their ill-gotten fortunes in the past.
    With the tragic sickness death of Mejat Junid, the calling have finally arrived. It’s pay back time for all of them now.
    One by one, they will ‘fall’ and the last hour of their life is so unbearable for them to accept.
    It’s written as the price to pay.

  14. #15 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:00 pm

    YB Lim,

    I hope you will table in Parliament , calling for an Enquiry into all these cases :- ehsan Trengganu – black gold.
    2.Tun salleh sacking and the independence of the Judiciary.
    3.pkftz scandal
    4.mongolian beauty murder- how the c4 can be taken out.
    5.all outstanding aca investigations.
    6.ministry of tourism financial fiasco in korea.
    7.ap handouts
    8.invisible indelible ink fiasco
    9.glc profits to be made public
    10. all government signed concess like tolls collection , power supply.
    11. shady land deal in penang that YAB Lim has called ‘tip of the iceberg”
    12. shady pkns deal in selangor that YAB Khalid stated.
    13.freedom of press act.
    14. isa political detainee
    15. dll +++++++++++++

    cannot wait for paliament to commence.
    keep up the good spirit YB LIM.

  15. #16 by Godfather on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:05 pm

    UMNO is the only party in the land where its President proclaims to the whole world that the Trengganu royalty’s choice of MB was unconstitutional, and then accept that same choice as constitutional a few days later.

    The AG’s Chambers very capable AG also proclaimed that the royalty’s choice was unconstitutional, but when his political masters accepted the appointment, he suddenly went along with his masters.

    I agree that Patrick Lim, KJ and Idris Jusoh must be asked to account for the use of state funds, and who were the beneficiaries of the contracts.

    “We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005.

  16. #17 by Everbright on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:07 pm

    Uncle LKS,

    Are you sure you quoted Dr. M correctly? He seemed to retain all his memories. At the Lingam circus, Dr. M kept saying he cannot remember. I felt sorry for him then, poor soul. Anyway, it sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black. Anyway, Dr. M do have a point. Let’s have a RC on this matter and let’s see how this money which is due for the state has been disbursed over the last 2 years. I am actually happy that Dr. M hasn’t left politics. Way to go!!

  17. #18 by saubing on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:07 pm


    you are really persistent. Every time uncle kit post a new post, u will ask the same question! my ceiling also have spider web already

  18. #19 by madmix on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:09 pm

    Who started this “wang ehsan” nonsense? Who started this “negotiated tender” business? TM provided the tools for his sucessors to use.

  19. #20 by yhsiew on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:09 pm

    The speculated reasons why “Ah” was selected as MB in preference to “Id” are as follows:

    1. Unbridled spending on costly projects which do not actually bring great benefits to the people of Terengganu. What angered some people was that the businessman (Patrick L) who undertook the projects was a “good friend” of PL and Kh.

    2. The Crystal Mosque was built inside the Theme Park. “Id” invited PL to conduct open ceremony on the BIG Theme Park but the Sultan on the SMALLER Crystal Mosque, which some said that was disrespect for the Sultan. “Id” wanted to apologize to the Sultan probably because of this event.

    3. Heavy handedness of the Terengganu government in dealing with clashes at the Bersih gathering on 8th September 2007 (a police opened fire at the crowd) and also clashes between PAS supporters and police on election day.

    The above speculations can be found in the CHINESE VERSION of Malaysiakini:

  20. #21 by Navinachendra on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:12 pm

    The wang ehsan saga started with Tun denying the PAS state government, the funds, diverting it to Idris Jusuh to splash as he liked. When Badawi took over, he took control of the funds, this time for the benefit of his sil and cronies; Idris Jusuh abetting him all the way.

    Tun by his initial action, showed them how money could be misused
    and be treated as personel to holder. It is good that Tun realizes his folly now and calls for inquiry. How about a public admission of your mistakes.

  21. #22 by Godfather on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:13 pm

    Dr M also said that he was not responsible for the 1988 judicial crisis. He went on to say that Zaid was a supporter of the then government’s move to remove the judges when Zaid was president of the Muslim Lawyers’ Association.

    If I were Badawi, I would take up the challenge and commision a RCI into the 1988 judicial crisis. This move would make Badawi smelling like roses instead of smelling like sh!t in the current environment.

  22. #23 by wag-the-dog on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:15 pm

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  23. #24 by lakilompat on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:39 pm

    Hello all! Don’t point the fault at Tun Dr. Mahathir come on, he’s helping the opposition. He’s doing what ought to be correct when the time is right, u may say he’s opportunist, but he has no one to turn to now? UMNO he may still have some stack in it, but i don’t think now, as even UMNO condemned him to attend last year assembly. Anyway, as a man, he will defend accusation against him, because he think at that time it is good to sack em for no reason just like him sacking Anwar. He’s merely exercising his power once he successfully fixed the judicial in his 22 yrs regime. Only today he realized that what he did once to Anwar are wrong, he did mentioned few times, he choose the wrong successor, he did choose Anwar as his successor but kick again does it mean Anwar is the real successor who can lead Malaysia to glory as it was not chosen by him.

  24. #25 by limkamput on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:45 pm

    Look like the federal government is the never ending culprit for everything – abuse, inefficiency, mismanagement, corruption, lopsided privatisation, no transparency, no accountability etc. May be it is time to complete the transformation and take over the Federal Government.

    But wait for a minute. If DAP-PAS-PKR does take over the Federal Government, would I be hearing some familiar phrases as follow?

    1. We will investigate all the wrong doings of BN, but we must to be fair and based on evidence. We do not want similar injustice happened to DSAI to befall them;
    2. We are not like BN, we want all the ministers and members of administration to publicly declare their assets, but there are some “family concern” reasons so we shall put this in the back burners for the time being;
    3. We want to practise meritocracy to select the best members to helm the administration but there are extenuating factors to the contrary which we can’t disclose and you the rakyat need not know at the moment;
    4. We want to review some of lopsided privatisation agreements, but we will go along with whatever we have if the agreements are “fair” to the rakyat. What is fair or not fair is for the government to decide. Everybody seems to know most of the privatisation agreements are a rip off. But that was before the election. Now we should know better.
    5. We want to bring better life to the people. So when we take over, what we intent to do is to announce a series of ad hoc populist measures like we will not change our staff cars, we will not move into the official mansions, we will forgive the parking summons, we will visit some demolished temples etc. After a while, the rakyat will learn to get back to their unchanged normal life again.

    Please don’t blame me for my disillusionment.

  25. #26 by susmaryosep on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:47 pm

    Who started the Wang Ehsan thing???

  26. #27 by lakilompat on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:58 pm

    U all can forgive YB LKS over the Perak MB appointment why can’t forgive Tun Dr. Mahathir for doing the wrong things 10 yrs ago to Anwar & the judges. He also admitted he made a silly mistakes to choose Pak Lah, he’s saddened because Pak Lah lied to him, there is a gentleman deal between him & Pak Lah in which Pak Lah agreed to serve for 1 term, becos at that time Tun Dr. Mahathir knew the UMNO reputation is very bad, he need some1 who can reform, then there was this Pak Lah, looks very healthy & clean also gain support from many UMNO grassroots. The problem Tun Dr. Mahathir suffer a heart attack when Pak Lah lied to him on termination several of his mega projects, e.g. the JB-Singapore bridge. As a leader we can achieved good profile but each of those profile carry a price. Tun Dr. Mahathir made the biggest mistake to pass the baton to Pak Lah, well, that’s the end of UMNO, If you are superstitious look at this

    R – Rahman
    A – Abd. Razak
    H – Hussein Onn
    M – Mahathir
    A – Abdullah
    N – Najib

    Then is the time when Malaysia decide to change.

  27. #28 by voteforDAP on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 3:59 pm

    Crystal Mosque in Terengganu is bigger than the biggest mosque in Kelanta. I wonder why when the Barisan Nasional claimed that PAS always wanted an Islamic state. Why is Terengganu under the BN made this state even more Islamic? I was in Kota Bahru on 8th March after I had my votes cast in PJ in the morning and flew to KB that late afternoon, I was even more surprised because the hotel room I stayed in doesn’t have Astro channel and I’m forced to watch TV1, TV2 and TV3. Guess what? Those channels looks so islamic to me as I haven’t watch these TV station for at least 10 years. What has it become? Now, the national TV became more islamic even before PAS become the national ruling party?

  28. #29 by novice101 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:05 pm

    Abdullah Badawi has a dubious mind which can’t beat the devious mind of his predecessor. Mahathir is using this advantage to the hilt.

    Dr. M is right in saying Malaysians should be concerned with the things that are happening in the nation. But one wonders why the retired PM has suddenly become so concern for the nation. Couldn’t be his conscience pricking him, causing him sleepless nights? More likely, it is his vindictiveness, that is manifesting ! This vindictiveness is cleverly disguised as concern for the nation.

    Since leaving office, Dr. M has been on this war-path. If, he is truly concerned for the welfare of the nation , this quarrel with the PM and himself should be settle in private. Instead the persistent pursuit to hound the PM is bring onto the nation stage.

    The persistent and relentless pursuit of his ‘prey’, is creating havoc for the nation! This is hardly showing concern for the nation.

    Dr. M, seems to be scoring point in this tussle, but, as in all things, men can propose but it’s God who dispose!

    Dr. M’s moves are detrimental to Malaysia, he should refrain himself in pursuing the PM in public by exploiting all the situations.

  29. #30 by mycroft on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:05 pm

    Wisdom above Says:

    Today at 14: 37.05 (1 hour ago)
    To, YB LK Siang,

    Is DAP a multi-racial party ?

    Why no Malay Vice chairman ?

    Zulkifli Mohd. Noor is a Chinese? Or is he an Indian? Oh my!

  30. #31 by k1980 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:16 pm

  31. #32 by grace on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:50 pm

    i simply cannot trust any one in power nowadays.

  32. #33 by yog7948 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:53 pm

    R – Rahman
    A – Abd. Razak
    H – Hussein Onn
    M – Mahathir
    A – Abdullah
    N – Najib ?? No way.. His name is Mohd Najib bin Tun Haji Abdul Razak

    So who will this N be? Nor M Yakop, Noh Haji Omar.. FUUUHYoooo

  33. #34 by HJ Angus on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 4:58 pm

    WOW his memory is working again! Someone get a tape recorder -quick.

  34. #35 by democrate on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 5:55 pm

    ”Unless there is a frame-up I think there should be nothing to pin on me. Even other accusations against me including the dismissal of judges were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologise. Ask the Tribunal to apologise.

    The person asking that the Government should apologise for what happened to Tun Salleh Abbas may have forgotten that as President of the Muslim Lawyers Association, he fully supported the action that was taken. He castigated the Bar Council for condemning Tun Hamid Omar over the dismissal of judges. Now he wants to be more correct than correct. I wonder why.”
    The above statement by Our X PM in the Star today.
    Is he passing the bugs to somebody?
    He is the Head of the country and the Muslim Lawyer Association is within his control yet he said it is not his business to make an apology. In that case Any Tom and Harry can be appointed to be Malaysia PM Lah ta payah Bertanggung Jawab atas Kesalahan.
    Anyway please give comments on the above statement by X PM.

  35. #36 by joehancl on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 5:58 pm

    Mahathir is the “mother” of all hypocrisy. Now he takes all malaysians for idiots. It was during his watch when the tribunal was constituted to sack Salleh. From then on Malaysia went down the drain. Rest assured mahathir if we do not damn you, Someone else Upstairs will. One way or another you WILL be nailed.

  36. #37 by kingkenny on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:00 pm

    Hah! this is it…!

    its not that the country will go bankrupt if the gomen stop its fuel subsidy…….it is actually the “black gold” money is getting less & less and not enough to feed these slimy people, so they stop it for a while, raise the fuel price (soon) again, wait for it to become a “bukit” & when the bukit is high enough, they splash again according to their fantasies!

    I wonder if they have a fixed sharing ratio among themselves:


  37. #38 by billgates on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:06 pm

    Spot on YB Kit.

    TDM seems to have regained his selective memory compared to the time when he was questioned during the Lingamgate RCI.

    So the Wang Ehsan and the Judiciary Crisis weren’t his doing so to speak!

  38. #39 by jimmy68 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:15 pm

    SInce we are on this subject of Dr.M, all i can say is he is not stupid but desperate to avoid the real disaster on himself…
    What he is currently doing is purely diverting every issue that is his own doing when he was the PM..
    I am sure we all know the true meaning of “Tai-Chi” or in plain english saying…sweeping under the carp,et.
    He has his son Mukhriz trying to kick PakLah out because his crony is Najib. If Najib comes to become PM, he has covered himself from his past wrong doings..
    If Anwar come to parliament, I think what might happen is for sure, he will take his revenge on Dr.M…or is it starting now?
    Most of the Senior Ministers, Rafidah, Samy, OKT, CKC, are all running away! So, Uncle LKT, am I right to view it as it is?

  39. #40 by harrisonbinhansome on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:35 pm

    Mahathir was right in calling for foreign independent officials to investigate the possibilities of corruption and other misused of “Wang Ehsan” in Terengganu in the past seven years since 2000.

    And Mahathir even wrote:

    “Even other accusations against me, including the dismissal of judges, were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologise. Ask the Tribunal to apologise”.

    Hahahahahahahaha. O.J. Simpson is readily to say “I never killed my wife and her lover” but “if I did it”. Hahahahaha. I also beleive in the existence of E.T.s.

  40. #41 by k1980 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:49 pm

    Abdullah already seems more vulnerable, particularly after he was forced to back down to the sultans of two states – Perlis and Trengganu – who refused to approve his choice of chief minister. Many expect Razaleigh to make a move to challenge Abdullah for the presidency of UMNO in December….Abdullah will have to be on guard on all fronts, from potential challengers within the ranks of his party to the Anwar-led opposition alliance, who are poised to lure defections from disillusioned BN parliamentarians – especially those from Sabah and Sarawak – and seize control of federal power. Abdullah faces a rough ride in the months ahead and few now are wagering that he will last the distance.

  41. #42 by Evenmind on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 6:57 pm

    Who in BN is not corrupted ? From top to bottom , everyone is , that’s why all along they play racial politics to blanket thier wealth gaining agenda, this people’ll fry in hell, Bumi /Non bumi my backside.

  42. #43 by sheriff singh on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 7:02 pm

    The Tun and others like him are never at fault. It is always the fault of others. What is there to repent or apologise? Never mind they created the environment for all these injustices and faults to occur, it is still not their fault. They are blameless.

    So they have not sinned and will be able to face their makers with a clear conscience when their time comes.

  43. #44 by penang308 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 7:22 pm

    Who took the MONEY?

    THE ONLY PERSON I CAN THINK OF IS THE “S-I-L” lah! who else?

  44. #45 by k1980 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 7:26 pm

    The Tun and others of his kind are already reserved by this fella….

  45. #46 by Loh on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 7:32 pm

    ///“We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005.///

    He is technically correct, it is the government funds that were being creatively used.

    ///Even other accusations against me, including the dismissal of judges, were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologise. Ask the Tribunal to apologise.///—TDM

    He is technically correct. It is the recommendation of the Tribunal, which had the final say on the case. Even if there were evidence to show that TDM ‘directed’ the Tribunal, the ‘advice’ needed not be taken. The people within the Judiciary killed themselves. Of course TDM is morally responsible for all the ills in the country. But as he said “It will be quite impossible to prove anything as the perpetrators are skilled in hiding themselves.”

  46. #47 by lextcs on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 7:42 pm

    do u support feudalism? whats your view on the monarchy? Already we have been spending million if not billions just to maintain the institution. How come no comments on your side? Or is it too sensitive an issue to dwell on? If we truly walk the talk we talk the talks with fear and favor.

  47. #48 by jimmy68 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 8:05 pm

    Is there any way for those sinners to be brought up for justice for their ealrier wrong doings??
    Looks like they actually think trhat by running away, they could get off scot free?
    I want justice to prevail..but not before the judicial depts are re-established…

  48. #49 by MyRace_Malaysian on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 8:30 pm

    For those asking DAP to just elect a Malaysian of ethnic Malay background as the Vice Chairman, to prove that it is multiracial.. You are wrong.

    If Ah Leng, Abu, Gopal, Muthu, Ah Seng and Ali all went for a job interview, only the BEST must be chosen for the job.
    If Ah Leng is best, he must get it. If Abu comes in second best, he deserves his place maybe as the assistant, and vice versa.

    So, if Gopal and Muthu are selected for both jobs based on MERIT, are we going to call the organization racist?
    Or, would it be racist to purposely select someone who came in third (Ah Seng, Ali or etc) for the job just to satisfy the quota system?

    However, I do agree that the DAP has to attract people from other ethnic backgrounds to join the party to make it stronger for the next election. Our electorate is maturing but not mature enough yet. Some still vote for familiar faces or along ethnic background lines. Good news is, among the younger generation, the DAP is enjoying growing support from Malaysian of all backgrounds.



  49. #50 by sammyvellu on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 8:41 pm

    This is just for Terengannu alone. If all the state’s closets were opened up, there would be more skeletons that the entire pol pot massacre in Cambodia combined

  50. #51 by cemerlang on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 8:48 pm

    Good to know that the Terengganu crisis has come to an end when Mister Prime Minister said that the Sultan has to be respected. I think it is time for more members of the royal family to go into politics and to do the work of a politician.

    With regards to the financial expenses in Terengganu, this is what we call by cliques or birds of the same feathers flock together. If these people are brought to court, it will be something like the Lingam’s case.

    Tourism should have a big impact on this state.

  51. #52 by lbl on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:04 pm

    Now that the PM has recognised that the internet is able to influence voters, It is hoped that he will encourage his ministers to have blogs of their own.
    Just like the one YB Lim and his son has.
    I wish the ex-MB of Selangor will have a blog of his own so that he is able to defend what the present MB of Selangor is going to dig up.

  52. #53 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:06 pm

    YB LIM,

    While i do appreciate the good in exposing the misdeeds and scandals of barisan nasional performance. The corrupted leaders and x leaders, it think it is high time that the five states that the barisan raayat rule would come to common consensus and common ground .

    It is pretty eerie that the five states do not share the same management know how and to cooperate among the states for the greater benefits of the raayat of the states.

    This western corridor than spans from kedah, penang, perak and selangor should share a common boundary ie from kedah to selangor. ( GOD SEND)This will auger well for the benefit for all to see, malaysians as well as foreigners.

    Currently, it seems that kedah is talking yan refinery,penang with shaddy land deals and aca, perak on kampung heads appointment and selangor on migrant workers. I agreed that there are different issues to be tackled at the various state , and while there are differences , WHY NOT LOOK AT THE SIMILARITIES.


    i hope YB lim and pkr and pas will make this opportunity to formulate some STANDARDS that are applicable in the STATES. like investment policies, housing problems, subsidies to single parents and those earning below poverty rate and even asset declarations.

    it is imperative that a collective decision is made , and it only embarass the barisan raayat , that the mbs and cm talk in different lingo.

    WITHOUT ANY FURTHER REMINDER , I KNOW THAT BN WAS CORRUPTED AND IS CORRUPTED, thats the reason i voted for change. i voted the coalition of dap, pkr, pas.

    PLEASE CONSIDER SERIOUSLY TO WORK IN SYNERGY AS A GOVERNMENT OF HALF PENISULA , where the best talents are tapped, cost savings , and singular cause. it is much like the merger of banks and other institutions for the greater benefit of the shareholders, which in this case are THE RAAYAT.

    yours sincerely.

  53. #54 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:07 pm

    awaiting moderation again ?

  54. #55 by undergrad2 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:07 pm

    ““Even other accusations against me, including the dismissal of judges, were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologize. Ask the Tribunal to apologize”. Mahathir

    This reminds me of Hilary Clinton’s recent story of how she and her daughter Chelsea made a corkscrew landing by army helicopter in Bosnia not too long ago “amidst sniper fire”, and how she had to take cover etc. That is until news archives show the reverse is true. It was a perfect landing in a secure area “without so much as a bumble bee flying around” – in the words of the helicopter pilot and a retired sniper sergeant.

    Perhaps now we should expect to hear from Mahathir that he even sought the audience of the Agong and asked that he declared the sacking of the Lord President as not only unconstitutional but the hearing by the Tribunal under the chairmanship of Hamid Omar (who later profitted from the sacking) contrary to the law of natural justice a concept grounded in English common law!

  55. #56 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:12 pm

    sometimes it may be good to mail me, to tell me which part of my comments need moderating PLEASE.

  56. #57 by tokki20 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:48 pm

    ‘The Federal Government; fearing the previous PAS government might use this money wrongly had withheld payment….’…….hoi hang SABOTAJ!!!!!

    Orang tua ni memang tak sedak diri. Sombong dan angkuh. Pak Lah dia cabak hang korek salah guna kuasa dia…….korekla……apa takut.


  57. #58 by taxpayer on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 9:53 pm

    Ask the Tribunal to apologise. So now he agrees that Tun Salleh was wrongfully dismissed. For more than 20 years he thought otherwise. The govt. should now set up a Royal Commission to examine who was behind the tribunal.

  58. #59 by AhStone on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:24 pm

    mahatir is no different than bodohwi. he is still as arrogant as he is and he should be the one responsible for the 1988 judiciary crisis. who the hell he think he is- he kicked tun abbas and the others bcoz he could not manipulate them as they were men of integrity. by removing them thats when the the system collapse. he must take the blame for it. he too has done a lot of damage to our country. no wonder umno baru is so corrupt. bapak borek anak rintik.

    bodohwi maybe stupid but mahatir is just making things worse. he got no balls to do all this while he was still in power. our country started rotting and becoming into a circus since his era. he must be held responsible for his actions

  59. #60 by showsomemercy on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:26 pm

    Chiak kah liau! Eat all ! Where can tahan? Haiz… From a rich country now we become fourth world country! And Our Prime Minister Still Sleeping!


  60. #61 by Richard Teo on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:40 pm

    I dont think Tan Sri Khalid knows what he is doing. He seem to be back-pedalling on all the PKR’s manifesto.Slowly he is beginning to sound like the old UMNO boy.Personally I think Annuar should go for a state by-election and take over the M.B’s post, otherwise its bye-bye PKR,DAP and PAS.

  61. #62 by Jeffrey on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:43 pm

    “Even other accusations against me, including the dismissal of judges, were not my doing and I do not feel obliged to apologise. Ask the Tribunal to apologise.” – Tun Dr Mahathir.

    He obviously has selective memory.

    The tribunal dismissing Salleh Abas comprising 4 Malaysian judges, a Sri Lankan judge, and a Singaporean judge with tribunal chairman Abdul Hamid Omar were appointed by Mahathir. At time it was Mahathir who made verbal attacks on judiciary.

    In Dato Rais Yatim’s 1995 book “Freedom under Executive Power in Malaysia – A Study of Executive Supremacy” he wrote:-

    “Since late 1987, Prime Minister Mahathir has issued a series of public statements critical of the judiciary. He has not only questioned the judiciary’s prerogative in adjudicating cases concerning state power, but has publicly questioned the integrity of judges who have ruled against the government in such cases. These statements have created improper pressures on judges with respect to cases concerning public policy issues. This is contrary to standards of international law, including the UN Basic Principles, which set out that the judiciary shall decide matters before them ‘without any restrictions, improper influences, inducements, pressures, threats or interferences, direct or indirect, from any quarter or for any reason.’”

    According to Salleh Abbas, it was Dr Mahathir who summoned him to his office 18 years ago and told him to either quit or face a tribunal. According to Salleh, Mahathir told him that he was asked to step down because of a letter which he had written to the King regarding the state of relationship between the judiciary and the executive.

    In 1988, it was Mahathir Administration that amended the Article 121(1) and 145 of the constitution to divest the court of the “judicial power of the Federation”. “, giving to judges only such power as Parliament might grant them

  62. #63 by limkamput on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:50 pm

    Richard, fully agree with you.

    My view is DAP, PKR and PAS must get down to serious thinking on how to govern the states rather than just keep highlighting the deficiency of BN. To me, this is a distraction strategy. We know already BN is hopeless. What we want to see now is that DAP, PAS and PKR are not ended hopeless like BN. So far I only see ad hoc and piecemeal policy pronouncements which are “populist” in nature. An effective government must take the bull by its horns and dare to take unpopular measures for the long term good of the people. Just look at Singapore in the initial years and even now.

  63. #64 by limkamput on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 10:56 pm

    I think we should stop wasting time debating over some stupid statements made by a “has been” politician which have little consequence. He is saying and doing all these nonsense now. But tell me, does he really have the interest of the people in his heart. Or is it just a personal ego or power game he plays?

  64. #65 by showsomemercy on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:22 pm

    Man Man Lei… You all to impatient liow… Time will tell… Not even three weeks into their office you all fire from all cylinders.. :) At least all of us wake up after 50 years… Still not too late… We can give BN 50 years, why dont we give our brothers, PKR,DAP and PAS more time…

    PAS have proven they can do their work in Kelantan after 18 years, we should give DAP and PKR some time…

    Cheers peeps!

  65. #66 by leeann on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:30 pm

    i can’t wait to see those stole the rakyat’s money go to jail.
    the faster the better.

  66. #67 by showsomemercy on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:41 pm


    not the faster the better… let me teach you a new word today..i mean two words…

    The Fasterer, The Betterer! :)

  67. #68 by badak on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:43 pm

    Dig up all the corruption in the five states that BR is controling,I can bet come the next GE more states will vote opposition.

  68. #69 by showsomemercy on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:43 pm

    Don’t worry badak, it will surface slowly BUT surely…! :)

  69. #70 by k1980 on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:44 pm

    Come on lah, please lah… 5 more years in power and then I’ll step down…Gimme a chance lah, tolong

  70. #71 by sonicwall on Friday, 28 March 2008 - 11:56 pm

    Before any Royal Commission on Wang Ehsan, can the Rakyat know what happen to Lingam case?

  71. #72 by pgsilai on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 12:11 am

    As I read more of the “real” news from Malaysia Kini, Malaysia Today and Malaysia Insider, it makes me sick and our country is really rotting ! Corruption, corruption & corruption ! When is it going to end?

    BR, please put on your thinking caps and deliver the promises given to rakyat during the ceramah before election. No point highlighting BN is corrupted and hopeless, even small kid knows that. Just do your work, dig them out, make them pay for their wrong doings! The more you highlight, better still they finds ways to hide and cover up.We all know that Zakaria house is like a palace. Now that he is gone, who is investigating where he got his loot?

    I certainly support Public Inquiry on Wang Ehsan, The rakyat deserves to know who are the Real Suckers!

  72. #73 by yang tahan mati on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 12:24 am

    Kalau Wang Ehsan yang berratus juta itu telah digunakan oleh kerajaan BN dengan betul, maka bilangan rakyat negeri Trengganu yang miskin tentu tidak setinggi hari ini. Tetapi anehnya dalam pilihanraya yang lepas BN masih menang lebih dari 2/3!

  73. #74 by kickbutt on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 12:28 am

    “Personally I think Annuar should go for a state by-election and take over the M.B’s post, otherwise its bye-bye PKR,DAP and PAS.” RichardTeo

    Oh Yeah! What makes you think it is going to be any different??

  74. #75 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 12:42 am

    Listen up, guys! I always have my doubts of the ability of an alliance borne out of a common hatred for an enemy to govern and still be true to their ideals. The only party that stands to benefit from the finger pointing and the mud slinging which is to come will only be the BN.

  75. #76 by kickbutt on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 12:56 am

    You hear PKR leaders post election addressing concern from their supporters talking about Malay rights and about not shirking their responsibility, is this not old wine in a new bottle with a different label??

  76. #77 by HJ Angus on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 1:04 am

    I wonder why some of us are so impatient with getting instant insults – too much instant noodles and fast foods?

    The coalition also needs time to gel as an effective admin in each state before they can check into past misdeeds.

    Already in Penang they are looking at land deals that may not be above board.
    I am sure there are many things that can be checked for improper deals but it all takes a lot of time and effort to get it done properly while running the normal affairs of state.

    My 2-sen worth is that if they can perform more than 20% better than the previous lot within the 5-year frame, they will stand a good chance of retaining power in the next GE.

  77. #78 by HB Lim on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 1:07 am

    Richard Teo Says:
    I dont think Tan Sri Khalid knows what he is doing. He seem to be back-pedalling on all the PKR’s manifesto.Slowly he is beginning to sound like the old UMNO boy.Personally I think Annuar should go for a state by-election and take over the M.B’s post, otherwise its bye-bye PKR,DAP and PAS.


    Richard, I have gone through your comment over and over again some 6 times and it is just a general accusation on the face of it and I cannot fathom what are the “backpedalling on PKR’s manifesto” and “sounding like UMNO” that you wrote about. Would you care to elaborate, please?

    Regarding Adam Yong’s comment, what he has said may be true but at any one time, the problems each of the MB’s and the CM has to confront and address would be of different kinds but that does not mean that they do not have a common set of political, economical, social etc policies reagrding the same or similar problems.

    Khalid was asked generally about empowering the local youths and hence he touched on how to raise money to train them while Guan Eng at the same time was hit with the news of irregularities in land dealings in Penang and he had to address the matter of threats of potential legal actions against the State. At the same time too, the MB of Perak was probably faced with grumblings from some ketua-ketua kampong as to their standing now and he had to provide an answer to that problem.

    The point is that they are confronted with different problems at that point in time. If for example Guan Eng or Khalid had said that ketua kampong henceforth would still be handpicked from party ranks, then we would have cause for concern that the policies are not streamlined so far as BR is concerned.

    Having said that, it may be a good idea that so soon as the MB’s and the CM have a fair appreciation of the multifaceted problems faced by them in the administration of their respective States, they should hold a meeting to discuss, agree on and declare common approaches to handle those problems. That would definitely have wide national repercussion and relevance and provide clarity to and instill confidence on the general public.

    Make the meetings regularly recurring events and it would be something the BN MB’s may emulate and the people would then have the benefit of being able to compare and contrast the different approaches and policies. After a few meetings, a common set of approaches and policies would evolve for each coalition and the people would then be able to make informed choices in the next election.

  78. #79 by Menang atau mati on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 2:35 am

    Dear YB Lim,


    A few bloggers on your website here have asked on the same topic mentioned above.

    In my view, I believe that DAP’s very constitution is a multi-racial based one, one that champions the causes of all races and not otherwise as in UMNO, MCA or MIC.

    I also believe that the majority of DAP’s members are Chinese and perhaps a significant portion are Indians with a very minor portion being Malays.

    Why is it that DAP has in the past and perhaps still now being viewed as a Chinese party if not a Chinese based party fighting for the rights of the Chinese?

    This is because of the propaganda of UMNO and BN with their control of the main stream media creating fear among the Malays portraying DAP as a racist party.

    Because DAP has been portrayed as a Chinese party which is anti –Malay by UMNO in the past, many Malays find it difficult to be associated with DAP or become its members.

    I believe DAP membership is open to all races and that not many Malays wanting to be its member is no fault of the party.

    However, in view of the weakening of the BN government, the diminished credibility, if any is still left of it, of the main stream media and the changing political landscape after the tsunami of 8th March, it is imperative that DAP embarks on a concerted effort to recruit members from the pool of talented untainted Malays .

    Although DAP has always champion causes for all Malaysians and its constitution is also multi-racial, it will not be perceived as a multi-racial party so long as it does not have sufficient or visible Malay memberships.

    Victory or Death

  79. #80 by abd.samad on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 4:53 am

    I think you should take this meter with Odit Negara.
    Mana Odit Negara punya report on Expenditure of Wang Ehsan.
    Last year they make a case about over price of PC, spanar, pencel
    Not fair to the civil servent
    This is Bilion of Ringgit.
    If Odit really berkecuali
    they should put up the report.
    And so if the report is ok.. so the expenditure is ok
    i think you understand me more

  80. #81 by pulau_sibu on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 5:28 am

    Mahathir, you are the one responsible for the big mess, because you picked up Abdullah

  81. #82 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 6:47 am

    i do agreed with menang atau mati. it is go time to go on a recruitment drive.
    dap has always champion for the underpriviledged and the underdogs.


    many may not know.

    hb lim.

    i propose a setting up of a common top leaders executive team,headed by the respective party chief and mb and cm. have a monthly,or at least now, forthnightly meeting to discuss common issues. THATS SYNERGY.

    crime : we cannot depend on the police in total, maybe we can start rukuntertangga in all 5 states.

    single mother : provide employment opportunities for them, and or work with ngos to offer support. a provision of rm500.00 per month for each single mother.

    education : set up centres for free tuitions for all races. i am sure that are many retired teachers that are most willing to offer the sevice.

    foreign workers: do we impose levy or can we impose levy or can we improve the living conditions of most of the foreign workers.if you we go some of the factories that employ foreigners , it is ashame how they are treated. FANS are luxury .

    i am sure many bloggers out there , like victory or death, jeffrey, limkamput have all good intentions are ideas too. thank you

  82. #83 by ADAM YONG IBNI ABDULLAH on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 7:11 am

    morning to all.

    i think why most of the time , our remarks are “awaiting moderating” and some even deleted ,is that it is quite fair to the webmaster to ensure nothing seditious is written.

    The government has not come to term with freedom of speech and press as yet.

    i am equally frustrated, that when one is in the M list. it is like citos,that gives a wrong non updated data about the blogger.

    anyway this is YB lim site, and that is his right.

    but i do feel that it is impolite that some are very personal in their “attack” of other bloggers. i think limkamput is one that is subjected to such abuse. limkamput does imput lots of good ideas,but some like to attack him ‘below the belt.” my opinion only.

  83. #84 by Tickler on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 8:51 am

    Adam Yong: Actually the comments don`t get deleted, just that they reappear after a few days.

    Yeah you are right on your observance re: limkamput

  84. #85 by Tickler on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 8:51 am

    TDM says the Tribunal should apologize over the Salleh Abbas Affair. But the Agung appointed the Tribunal (on TDM`s recommendation).

    So now TDM is saying the Agung should apologize?

  85. #86 by lopez on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 9:33 am

    Tribal rules rules in bodohland

  86. #87 by LadyGodiva on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 10:17 am

    Why is the Sultan giving the salute and the PM not??

    Why is the Sultan giving the American salute and not the British salute? Are we now Americanized?

  87. #88 by kaiba on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 10:36 am

    i’m in terengganu here myself, and although i’m not been here for a very long period, i have been here long enough to witness all the mega project been done over here. sincerely, i do not care who are the contractors behind all the multi billions ringgit project, however, what i know it really does starting to develop the state up. Although so many calls such as “how many thousands of mosque in the states we built”, “how many low-cost houses we prepared for the poor”, how we invigorate the islam” and all those rubbish, i didn’t see any increment in the culture and living level in the people over here. not to say the job opportunity, even all those rural area has been totally ignored by the state government.

    sincerely, no matter who takes over control of terengganu and other states, those who can benefits the people are the good one. and people ill keep supporting those who benefit them.

  88. #90 by limkamput on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 11:16 am

    Dear moderator,
    I hope you have read the posting above by Adam Yong and Tickler, which more or less highlighted my situation here. The reason why I have not written to you earlier is because I thought you will eventually do the right thing. I also thought may be no other blogger cares really and so it is better for me to handle this myself. Since I now find some support from fellow bloggers, may be I just want to capitalise on it to tell you a thing or two.

    I just want to seek your clarification – when a blogger is subjected to constant personal attack and uncalled for remarks, can that blogger retaliate? I notice when I did not respond to those attacks, you as the moderator, has done nothing and continue to allow those attacks to stand. However, I when started to retaliate (and I believe rightly so), you will start to give warning and deleting as if the problem was started by me.

    I think many of us come here because we feel that we have the knowledge and experience to contribute something which we hope can bring betterment to Malaysia. We would like to think that some of the ideas and suggestions made were actually taken up by politicians and political parties to win election and to run the government. So be fair, and please don’t treat us like we have nowhere else to go. You are welcome to give a rejoinder.

    You have a good day, bye.

    [Because of the increased traffic, it is not possible to keep abreast of comments until some time later. Moderator has no intention to take sides. However, the blog must not be reduced into a vehicle for feuding or exchange of invectives. – Admin]

  89. #91 by Plaintruth on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 11:18 am

    Shame on UMNOPUTRA. The bottom of the barrel, the skunk of the earth.

    It take a former Prime Mininster to enlighten the masses. There are thousands of these irregularites and scandalous hideous acts, we all need to expose them. Expose the crimes, the sin the UMNOPUTRA had done to Malaysian.

    Use all the internet blogs and create your own webpage to tell the world.

  90. #92 by cto on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 1:47 pm

    Limkamput has the right to free speech. On the other hand with supporters like limkamput, who needs the BN cybertroopers?

    Personally, I support the former more than the latter. So, I support limkamput’s right to freedom of speech and expression. His unique style just attracts a lot more flames than others. :)

  91. #93 by Menang atau mati on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 1:59 pm


    With so many scandals exposed and yet to be exposed, BN and Umno will only get a superficial reform if it is still helmed by the existing leaders .If it is taken over by new leaders who themselves do not have a clean track record ,it will also be a superficial reform.
    It will not be a credible alternative second political front.

    This may be good for the BR parties, but then the Rakyat will not have choices.

    How do we ensure that BR parties do not eventually go wayward?

    History has shown that empires always without fail wax and wane.

    I feel that MIC, MCA, Gerakan and UMNO is probably beyond salvation.

    If the BR parties stay united, the next General Election will see them being voted in as the Federal Government for sure.

    Sarawak will see the BR parties make huge significant inroads in the next state elections in about 2 years time provided BR parties work as one and start working on a roadmap to capture Sarawak.

    Today 5,Tomorrow Malaysia!!!

  92. #94 by waterfrontcoolie on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 4:10 pm

    lextcs, are you a commie? The Rulers in the country have acted with responsibilities all these years. At times we might have come across some as high-handed. Compare them with the BN leaders, the amount the Rulers are getting are peanuts. Just do some calculation and you will know that the current scenario will prove that they have a role to play.
    You think, given the job, you could do better?
    Be realitic of the environment you are living in. Don’t day dream, man!!! Because day-dreaming or the very thought of it is extremely dangerous.
    As for TDM, he created the former ‘Minister for Law’ who prolclaimed that the politicians, especially those from UMNO are the MASTER of the Nation!! Who gave him the thought and the gut to say in? Who else? In fact that statement was an effrontery to the Rulers of the country.
    AAB, as I have indicated some where at this site, bite the bullet and create a Royal Ombudsman to enquire on ALL ISSUES that the public have doubts and questions over their implementations. Unless you are prepared to tell the whole truth to shame the devil, you are finis to!!!!!!

  93. #95 by catharsis on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 6:41 pm

    …………………………………Because of the increased traffic, it is not possible to keep abreast of comments until some time later. Moderator has no intention to take sides. However, the blog must not be reduced into a vehicle for feuding or exchange of invectives. – Admin……………………………………………………….

    Is this “soap box”forum?……..if it is then the freedom of speech principle should be allowed. And in any open debates- criticism and opinions should be allowed to be defended or challenged in a balanced arguement approach

    However having said that:

    “EVEN A FOOL IS THOUGHT WISE IF HE KEEPS SILENT AND DISCERNING IF HE HOLDS HIS TONGUE” should be the prompt of the day to anyone who is not THOUGHT WISE with his/her opinions or criticisms

  94. #96 by alistaire on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 6:48 pm

    Limkaput, I agree with you. The moderators here seem to be biased, a little, if not much. I once posted a comment in a previous article noting that Malays are justified in fearing the DAP in the same way Chinese fear PAS.

    The thing is, PAS has started to address its issues. Now there are PSC (PAS supporters clubs) consisting of non-Muslim Malaysians. There was a non-Muslim PAS candidate in Johor, Kumutha Rahman. A Harakah I bought today had a picture of an Indian woman wearing a tshirt bearing the words “I’m Indian. I’m Hindu. And I want leadership by the ulamak.” And I have seen blogs where non-Muslim Malaysians openly proclaim (and proudly too) that they are PAS supporters.

    The thing is DAP has not done anything like this. Its no good whining that the media is being pro-UMNO etc. DO SOMETHING! Malays do come here and read this and other DAP blogs dont they? And so far what they see is not encouraging.

    Don’t Just Change It, DAP. Change Yourself too!

  95. #97 by arctanck on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 6:48 pm

    Public enquiry to this Wang Ehsan is necessary. What I however don’t like is this trouble-maker Mahathir, who I firmly believe has a hidden agenda to undermine the current administration. I do not think Badawi is a good leader, but in a way I think he is better than Mahathir. I’ll be very interested to see what happen if Anwar gets in power, whether Mahathir will leave the country and go hiding. You know what, I’d really like to see Mahathir goes down, otherwise people including himself will still think he was a great Prime Minister.

  96. #98 by catharsis on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 6:57 pm

    …………………..The thing is DAP has not done anything like this. Its no good whining that the media is being pro-UMNO etc. DO SOMETHING! Malays do come here and read this and other DAP blogs dont they? And so far what they see is not encouraging.

    Don’t Just Change It, DAP. Change Yourself too!……………………..



  97. #99 by alistaire on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 7:17 pm

    I remember reading an article on Globalisation by Americanisation, where a Dutch man was quoted as saying “In Globalising the World, America forgot to Globalise itself”

    This comment stuck in my head. Lets see if this works for others here:

    In Changing Malaysia, the Opposition forgot to Change themselves.

  98. #100 by Tim Sng on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 7:49 pm

    Sdr Lim Senior,

    Apologising….”Minta maaf…” is a very Malaysian thing, also very much a nature of any Godly person, to seek forgiveness……best during a festive season, Raya for Muslims, CNY for Chinese, Christmas for Christians and Deepavali for Hindus…

    Question is, “Will it begin a chain of reconciliation, which should be good for the nation?”

    The queue is long…..

    1. Tun Salleh Abas
    2. Sdr DSAI
    3. YB Karpal
    4. YB KS Lim
    5. Dollah Ahmad
    6. James Wong
    7. Chandra Muz
    8. ?GE Lim
    9. Syed Hussin
    10. …and the list goes on…..

    After 50 years, transparency, honesty and integrity may be finally arriving….

    I am for amnesty for all i.e those who do not deserve to be locked up, and those who have caused it through some error in decision. I do not feel that we should dig back 50 years of the past.

    Most Heads of Department, Director Generals, Chief Secretaries when they retire, in their farewell dinner often in passing ask for forgiveness for any error in executive decisions.

    The way is forward, not to look backwards, though to turn back bad decisions and to restore back those who have been wrongly penalised is good, provided we do not reopen files and go into a witch-hunting spree, which is messy and unnecessary. Let us move forward, like China, Japan, Russia…they leave the Maos, Stalins and Hirohitos behind.

  99. #101 by Menang atau mati on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 8:02 pm

    1. alistaire Says:
    Today at 18: 48.25 (1 hour ago)
    “Malays do come here and read this and other DAP blogs dont they? And so far what they see is not encouraging.”

    Dear Alistair,
    What is not so encouraging here when Malays come here to view the blog?

    Are there any racist view here expressed by DAP and its leaders?

    From what I read here,views expressed here by DAP and its leaders are almost without fail concerning issues that are for the good of all Malaysians and for nation building.

    So, even the BN/UMNO propanganda has got on to you?

  100. #102 by alistaire on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 9:09 pm

    Menang atau mati, you read into my lines deducing things I never even said nor mean to say.

    I did not say DAP was racist, only that what they did and continue to do is not encouraging. There is a difference, for those who know how to find it.

    No doubt what YB LKS and ors from the DAP say what are good for nation, but then the approach used is different. Issues can be approached from different angles or POVs. The way DAP leaders look at things is not shared by the vast majority of Malays. This is fact, not merely an opinion. DAP has to realise this and adjust themselves accordingly if they want to attract more Malay support. They can start with less “No Islamic State” slogans for one.

    And just because one expresses views not in keeping with DAP’s, does not mean one is a supporter of BN. Surely we should be rid of this with-me-or-against-me mentality by now?

    The vast majority of voters are not die hard supporters of either BN or BR, but just want to see what both have on offer. It is true that the EXCO wranglings in the Opposition states do not argur well for the view that we are past race-based politics.

    At this rate, perhaps it would be better to support the newly emerging parties, such as Parti Mahasiswa Negara (PMN, At least they seem committed to the New Politics.

  101. #103 by cucu adam on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 10:26 pm

    It is sickening for Dr. Mathair who had the power to do what he is of accusing Ahmad Badawi on this wealth generated from the black gold in Trengganu, which according to him explained why Idris was preferred to be the Menteri Besar of Trengganu. Now that Ahmad Said had now been accepted to be MB, it will take until the next election and only if the lose coalition of PAS-PKR-DAP win most of the state seats to form the next Trengganu goverment.

    Until such a time the revenue derives from the black gold in Trengganu will never be known, as the accounts are not tabled in Parliament. Trengganu which is still under UMNO/BN will continue to benefit under Wang Ehsan as the distribution will be the perrogative of the Federal Government.

    Mathair should take the blame for this, as converting the 5% Royalty to Wang Ehsan took place during his time. Is he saying that during his rule he was more transparent. We all know the sick and stupid jokes he expect us to believe. This is the problem with people like Mathair who feels that he made no mistakes, but will go at length to highlight other people mistakes, in this respect Ahmad Badawi, who was handpicked by him. It is of no purpose to say at this juncture that he regretted picking up Ahmad as his successor as the damages are taking place. The only favour that Mathair had made is his contribution in picking up a wrong person in the name of Ahmad Badawi, that the resulted in the recent election results favouring the Opposition.

  102. #104 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 29 March 2008 - 10:49 pm

    This being a unique political blog and one led by a senior politician known to all as the leader of the opposition in the country’s highest legislative body, readers would agree that comments should as far as possible be limited to issues which are affecting our country presently in the throes of political socio-economic change the scale of which we have never seen before – humor and friendly banter included and less than friendly but relevant exchanges excepted.

    It may at times be visited and read by readers of different political leanings, strains and beliefs who are just as passionate in their views, and sparks may fly in the face of the exchange. Occasionally, we have visitors who visit this blog solely to provoke and mock regular readers of this blog with their personal views. However, obnoxious these characters may appear to be, it is important that we understand that while we look forward to reading comments made by those who share our views, we would be making a mockery of the freedom of speech if we limit the same to those who do not.

    Then we may get a regular contributor who behaves like the typical school headmaster taking to task or chiding his students who to him have the audacity to challenge him and his views on the issues as if he alone has the monopoly to the truth. Should we fault readers who choose to show their annoyance? That too is freedom of speech.

    When such exchanges get out control and the parties resort to ‘un-civil’ behavior to solve civil issues, the moderator is placed in the unenviable position of having to do what he or she is supposed to do i.e. moderate. But you can only moderate views and not behavior.

    Factor into the equation the fact that there are serving politicians who would not hesitate to quote postings by his supporters made on this blog in order to ridicule the leader of the opposition, then the challenges represented by the use of unfettered free speech unrestrained by the norms of civil behavior, take on a certain urgency which can only be resolved by the administrator having to resort to blocking the IP address of those who persist in this less than civil behavior to preserve the integrity of this blog.

    My 2-cents.

  103. #105 by Menang atau mati on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:42 am

    alistaire Says:

    Yesterday at 21: 09.49
    Menang atau mati, you read into my lines deducing things I never even said nor mean to say.

    I did not say DAP was racist, only that what they did and continue to do is not encouraging. There is a difference, for those who know how to find it.

    Dear Alistaire,

    I did not accuse you of alleging that DAP is/was racist.

    I only asked what is not so encouraging when Malays come to this blog and read its contents and articles posted here by DAP and its leaders – a statement contained in your post.

  104. #106 by pjboy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:51 am

    Quite simple lah. AAB & co know they won’t be in power too long. Since Wang Ehsan got few Billion RM in their control, how else to spend & makan as fast as possible other than into ridiculously marked-up mega-projects. AAB & co took advantage of the limited powers of the Royalty & HRH. It was obvious that the Wang Ehsan did not benefit the huge majority of the people in Terengganu. AAB & co took for granted that HRH will just sit & watch. How wrong they were & the recent denial for the appointed MB (IJ) was a big slap in the face & backside.

  105. #107 by kickbutt on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 1:54 am

    It is time that the DAP shed off its image as a Chinese party. Comments like what we are reading now is proof of the image of the DAP as such.

    In fact it is the reason why a certain commentator on this blog feels it expedient and necessary to seek comfort behind his handle.

  106. #108 by pjboy on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:08 am

    Is there any postings of all Malaysia BN X-Files out there?

    What happened to the RM27M police case? Many more I believe. Reported by MSM but for what? Publicity? ACA is relevant?

  107. #109 by lakilompat on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 2:18 am

    Dear cucu adam, Tun Dr. Mahathir if he make good use of Wang Ehsan during his name do u think, he will get 2/3 majority? The think is, he’s smart in a way to shut the ppl. but the problem is he lost Kelantan and Terengganu during his last campaign as prime minister. Anyhow this man is old now, he’s just saying to u all, he made a big mistakes during his time or recently for choosing Pak Lah, he thought Pak Lah can amend his past failures in UMNO. The problem is Pak Lah done even worst than him. Unable to be strong and wise, this make all corrupted UMNO members to choose Pak Lah becos he has been lenient to all. Who don’t want to choose a weak leader, if you choose a strong leader then u will be in trouble. Today press, Tun Dr. Mahathir oso tell all the ppl that, the way UMNO select member to represent the division to elect in UMNO General Assembly is also bias, becos Tun Dr. Mahathir knew previously he also use dirty tactic before as it was set by him, Tengku Razaleigh lost by 46 against Tun Dr. mahathir, after losing Tengku Razaleigh formed Semangat 46. This is to tell all Malay that it is hopeful for these 46 ppl.

  108. #110 by Bigjoe on Sunday, 30 March 2008 - 8:01 am

    Tun Mahathir is lucky he got Badawi to beat around with his crap. Frankly, I think if he had chosen Najib to be PM, Najib will sent him to jail by now to hold on to power.

    The man is just not that smart and have too many people telling him is a world-class leader when he is little more better than Mugabe and other tin-pot megalomanic despot who are not so lucky to have strong institutions and others to check his abuses.

  109. #111 by alistaire on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 12:23 am

    Check out this bit of news

    A whole MIC branch dissolved and its members joining PAS. Wow. See what PAS is doing that DAP is not?

  110. #112 by walao on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 1:44 am

    Our country politicians had been abusing their power to do wonders for the benefit of their wallets. Can the oppositon help us check whether they also had their Midas touch on our banking system, taking full loans without any collateral pledge of their own assets? Can opposition also help us check how loan allocations were done in our banks? Is it mainly to their “family” ? Cos I found our banks had been too conservative in giving out loan during the past 4 years.

  111. #113 by Menang atau mati on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 2:58 am

    DAP needs to be more proactive to attract more talented untainted non-Chinese members.

  112. #114 by LadyGodiva on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:24 am

    It is good that we’re able to enjoy a pollution-free environment.

  113. #115 by pjboy on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 8:46 am

    Well, if not wrong, the MIC branch are not yet PAS-members…just a “fan club”. The Star reported as “PAS supporter club”. Unless The Star still like to practise creative writing, then it could well be new PAS members. Another first in Malaysia history?

    Anyway, the Oil-$ in Terengganu is probably the next biggest BN-$-Scandal after PKFZ RM 4.6B scandal. Someone with the right experience in BR should make a historical profile/chronology of all the $-scandals/events of BN since 1970.

  114. #116 by Godfather on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 10:16 am

    Once you start “moderating” – which is clearly your right to do so – you will be opening yourself to criticisms of bias, which has already started. You will be criticised for taking sides, irrespective of your stated claim that you do not intend to take sides. People will cry wolf, and will claim that you did not support them in the past, and that you should not be supporting others now.

    May I suggest that you allow the invectives, the name-calling, the insults, to continue on your blog. The only thing that you should censor is inflammatory comments on religion. Protect yourself with respect to the law, and not against the typical animalistic behaviour of some of your readers. The latter will eventually peter out as more and more readers stop responding to those irrelevant (and irreverent) comments.

  115. #117 by helpless on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 2:20 pm

    Go all way out to call for another RCI otherwise the denial game is definitely continued. Probably there will be some support from the grassroot including Bodowi amidst the called by M for his resignation.

    The hypocrite will claim memory loss when hequestion of his mulpractices. The truth will be reveal only when the hatred corrupted people start to accuse each other.

    Only with RCI, all untold eveidence could surface even we could not have high hope for a justice.

    Let the untold story be revealed and remain in the history.

  116. #118 by alistaire on Monday, 31 March 2008 - 11:29 pm

    I agree with Godfather.

    Why are comments being moderated again might I ask? Were they not allowed freely yesterday?

  117. #119 by Justhis on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 12:02 am

    There is rumor saying the sultan was unhappy about distribution of Wang Ehsan.

    This had resulted delay forming of Trengganu State Government. But what ever it takes only those awarded with Datuk-ship by Sultans can make decision how Wang Ehsan should be spent and or distributed.
    Why awarding so many unqualified people if they do not contribution to enrich the Nation but instead go against the will of Sultans; so contradicting?
    How this “orang berjasa” come into effect?

  118. #120 by kickbutt on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 7:34 pm

    Let the weasel go, Godfather!

  119. #121 by limkamput on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 10:56 pm

    Most paradoxical and most ironical! Those who label others for being invective, weasel and know all are themselves guilty of all these. Tell me, who is humble here. What I see here is the seas of self indulged know all personalities who think whatever they said are beyond reproach and criticism. And when criticised, one just has to see the venom in their attack on others. Yet, they are here talking like saint – so paradoxical and so ironical.

  120. #122 by limkamput on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 11:18 pm

    If one of the blogger here can be labelled as a headmaster, then I would like to label one of the frequent visitor here as the Supreme Court judge. At least I think the headmaster was doing his/her job if he/she was able to point out views that are factually wrong or illogical.
    What about this Supreme Court judge? To him, he must have the final say in everything. Take for example his perverted view on ISA. To him, there is nothing wrong with the ISA; it is the abuse and arbitrary use of ISA. He just can’t see his own illogic. How can he say there is nothing wrong with the ISA when the act itself has provided for abuse and arbitrary use of power by the executive branch? This is particularly so in developing countries where democratic institutions and practices are so fragile. Because of 9/11 and because of US Patriot Act, he sees nothing wrong with ISA as it stands.

  121. #123 by limkamput on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 11:20 pm

    The world is not only getting more polluted. We have too many wasters of oxygen also. If only we have less of them, the world will be a better place.

  122. #124 by limkamput on Tuesday, 1 April 2008 - 11:31 pm

    a commentator says: “In fact it is the reason why a certain commentator on this blog feels it expedient and necessary to seek comfort behind his handle.”

    No one really knows who is hiding behind which handle. One thing is quite sure though – we know quite easily one particular blogger is using different handles for reasons best know to himself although sometimes he prefer to call himself “herself”.

  123. #125 by Godfather on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 6:46 am


    We should give the headmaster a chance at his cranky old age. He needs to take his medication.

  124. #126 by limkamput on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 8:44 am

    Please have more creativity, although i know someone needs to take medication everyday to control his mental disorder.

  125. #127 by kickbutt on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 9:56 am

    LadyG was right! Can’t you smell the stench in the room, Godfather? It is the stench of a rotting rabid dog!

  126. #128 by LadyGodiva on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 5:44 pm

    Well, now that the moderator has spoken we can all look forward to the odor-free and rat free environment.

  127. #129 by catharsis on Wednesday, 2 April 2008 - 7:07 pm

    Odd…………..I am pretty sure it is that bad breath from a kettle or it is that potty smell that we have been so familiar with

  128. #131 by lakilompat on Monday, 21 April 2008 - 2:45 pm

    If Wang Ehsan go back to the royal family due to mismanagement of the BN coalition govt. Well, things will be the same, the Rakyat will continue to be marginalized might be even worst as there’s no transparency how Royal Family use those. Probably deposit in Swiss account, buy some yacht, buy some horses, buy some bungalow or castle overseas, buy some isolated island, etc. The rakyat will still be the same struggling to make ends meet.

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