Samy cleared Hindraf of terrorist links – police should stop harassing Hindraf donors


The police should stop harassing and intimidating donors of Hindraf on the spurious ground that they are funding a terrorist organization.

Malaysiakini reported two days ago that the police are summoning donors of Hindraf “over a possible offence of funding a terrorist organization”, grounding their investigations under Section 130N of the Penal Code on the “funding of terrorist activities”.

The penalty for the offence are death (if the terrorist act results in death), imprisonment for a term of not less than seven years but not exceeding 30 years and a fine.

This is most absurd, especially as the MIC President and sole Indian Cabinet Minister for over 28 years, Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu had admitted in his recent visit to Tamil Nadu that the Malaysian government did not have any evidence that Hindraf had connection with Tamil Tigers or terrorists.

This is the Q & A on the NDTVG.com where Samy Vellu admitted that there is no evidence that Hindraf has terrorist links:

“NDTV: Do you have any evidence to back your government’s charge that the Hindraf has links with terrorists?

“D S Vellu: Hindraf said they would fight like the Tigers, the way the Tigers are fighting in Sri Lanka. It was by Vedamurthy. After he talked like that, we did an investigation and it was felt that he may have gone there for training.

“NDTV: Do you have evidence of this?

“D S Vellu: No. It is our suspicion.”

In view of Samy Vellu’s admission that there is no evidence that Hindraf has any terrorist links, two steps must be taken immediately:

• DROP all police harassment and intimidation of Hindraf donors on the spurious grounds of funding a terrorist organization or this will be a most blatant and flagrant abuse of police powers to use the “terrorist” provisions in the Penal Code to create police “terror” of their own; and

• IMMEDIATE and unconditional release of the Hindraf Five, P. Uthayakumar, V. Ganabatirau, M. Manoharan, R. Kenghadharan and T. Vasantha Kumar now that they have been officially cleared of any terrorist links – even without having to wait for the Advisory Board hearings over their appeal against the ISA detention fixed on Monday.

  1. #1 by izrafeil on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:36 pm

    what if one day Ameno is found out to have supported separatist movement like the Islamic Moro? and we have donated to Ameno?

  2. #2 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:51 pm

    That`s an old story. Read more about it here:
    http://www.freeanwar.net/june2002/facnews251002.htm

  3. #3 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:53 pm

    Kayveas wants to haul semi value over hot coal:

    An angry PPP president M Kayveas today said that he was going to sue MIC president S Samy Vellu for defaming his party at the recently ended meeting of the Indian diaspora in New Delhi.

    He said that Samy Vellu had tarnished PPP’s reputation at a press conference in New Delhi on Wednesday without verifying his facts.
    http://promahathir.blogspot.com/2008/01/samy-oh-samy-whats-going-on-there.html

  4. #4 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:54 pm

    When it rains, it really pours:

    MIC Johor deputy chief and Tenggaroh state assemblyperson S Krishnasamy was killed by unidentified assailants at the MIC Johor headquarters this afternoon.
    http://malaysiakini.com/news/76947

  5. #5 by izrafeil on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:55 pm

    tickler,
    see the time stamp in your first post…
    15 51 15
    looks like a good number to bet this Saturday
    thanks

  6. #6 by Kannank on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:57 pm

    Sdr. Kit Siang,
    DAP should consider nominating Manohagran, one of the 5 HINDRAF ISA detainees, as DAP candidate to contest the coming General Elections for the following reasons.
    1. He can be considered a symbol for all ISA detainees who should be charged in open court or be realeased. Voters be given an opportunity to voice their disapproval of the BN Government’s unfair action.
    2. He can be considered a symbol representing the aspiration of all Malaysian who believe in Democracy and fair play irrespective of race.
    3. He can be nominated to contest the same constituency which he contest previously as a DAP candidate or he can be nominated to contest Sg. Siput against Samy Velu, who need to defend his 28 years of poor leadership of Malaysian Indians in BN as their sole representative in the Government.
    4. DAP did in the past had 2 MPs elected while under ISA detention. It is possible to repeat the distinction again with the awakening of Malaysian Indian voters against their marginalization by BN Government.
    5. Malaysian in general are likely to vote for more opposition MPs this time to reduce the BN’s 2/3rd majority. Cooperation between DAP and PKR to have one to one contest will enhance opposition chances this time.

  7. #7 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 3:59 pm

    izrafeil :)

  8. #8 by Libra2 on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 4:07 pm

    Did the police summon anyone who had donated to Al Queda or those who went around wearing T shirt with his image?

  9. #9 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 4:09 pm

    They won`t do that `cos it`s ji had.

  10. #10 by disapointed86 on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 5:03 pm

    One word, RESIGN Sami ..stop disgracing your race..

  11. #11 by disapointed86 on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 5:04 pm

    Not to say the blogger alone..even the Tamil Nadu look down on you..

  12. #12 by grace on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 5:44 pm

    Adei Samy said : Hindraf said they would fight like the Tigers, the way the Tigers are fighting in Sri Lanka.

    Samy, you must be a damn dense upstairs! When they said that they fought like tiger, it means that they would fight for their causes with the courage of a tiger.Of cousrse they will fight not with arms but in a civil way.Definitely not like the Tigers terrorists in Sri Lanka. It is only that you people are lost for ideas of how to get them. Now that they have gone to India , England to tell the story, you Samy Vellooo, have no ideas but to copy them. As many have said,”samy, it is time for you to ‘podah’.

  13. #13 by zack on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 5:58 pm

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  14. #14 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 6:31 pm

    Hasn`t Samy Vellu`s and the MIC`s mouth organ Tamil Nesan been supportive of Tamil Tigers in the past. My Indians friends say at one time that paper used to glorify Prabhakaran. That would make the MIC a terrorist organization.

  15. #15 by sybreon on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 6:35 pm

    I’ve got a question: How did the police find out who the donors were? Was it legal? But regardless, if the people were locked up on trumped up charges, they really should be released and paid a compensation.

  16. #16 by pky103 on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 6:57 pm

    It is ridiculous to think that HINDRAF is affiliated to terrorist organizations because of ONE mysterious police report, and now Sami Vellu’s ‘suspicions’.

    He should step down immediately for failing to address problems facing the Indian community.

  17. #17 by benny on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 7:33 pm

    Before harrasing HINDRAF for the link with the LTTE,They should look at the history.The southern thailand terrorist mediated by who?Abu sayaf in mindanao peace agreement mediated by which GOVT?LTTE been fighting for their land since 1983,HOLY WAR!!LTTE WILL NOT SLAUGHTER PEOPLE NECK LIKE OTHER OUTFIT.

  18. #18 by DarkHorse on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 8:38 pm

    Samy Vellu says there is no evidence but only suspicion.

    But hey! Evidence is what you look at during trial and not before. True some evidence would have to be shown at the preliminary hearing stage when the prosecutor would have to make his prima facie case against those accused. Failing which the case would be thrown out of court!

    But then under ISA the government is not required to make a case against those detained. Instead those detained would have to show that the government has no case. How on earth are they going to do that if they do not know what the government’s case against them is?

  19. #19 by DarkHorse on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 8:52 pm

    It is time Malaysians look at the hindraf issue in the context highlighted by writer Mohandas Karamchand:

    “This appeal to Queen Elizabeth and Mahatma Ghandi is a mistake. The banners scream ‘We are Malaysians’. To the other Malaysians, it seems to be that the protesters are Indian Hindus first and Malaysians second. The ethnic, religious identity is pushed forward. The name ‘Hindraf’ is also exclusive. It excludes Indians who are Christians, Sikhs and Muslims.”

  20. #20 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 9:30 pm

    The hindraf protests were mainly by the underprivileged tamilian hindus who came into M`sia under the `kangani` indentured labor system.
    In this context it also has to remembered that Pandithan took the lower caste hindus out of the MIC when he formed the IPF. His mistake was to continue to stick with the BN.

  21. #21 by Tickler on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 9:33 pm

    A perusal of the Tamil Nesan of say 10 years ago will show how the MIC too was involved in singing praises of the Tamil Tigers. It is the MIC that planted the roots of this `terrorism`. Semi value should not be allowed to get away with it.

  22. #22 by DarkHorse on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 9:58 pm

    So Sammy is the terrorist and UMNO a terrorist organization which supports the Muslim Moros Liberation Front.

    I will write to my U.S. Congressman to update the facts.

  23. #23 by justice6 on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 11:41 pm

    get a military coup n put all the bn goons to trial..

  24. #24 by pulau_sibu on Friday, 11 January 2008 - 11:49 pm

    where do i post this? It is similar to stealing ALLAH and make it the properties of orang melayu. You may want to see what Indonesian Christians call the God in their language.

    Rasa Sayang belongs to all in the region

    PUTRAJAYA: The song Rasa Sayang, which became controversial after Indonesia accused Malaysia of “stealing” it as its own, belongs to everybody in this region, the republic’s Culture and Tourism Minister Jero Wachik said.

    However, Indonesia wanted to be told if Malaysia planned to use it on a commercial basis or included the song in its cultural repertoire, he said.

    He said that by right, the song belonged to both Malaysians and Indonesians.

    “However, you have to tell us if you want to use it. I have met with your minister of culture (Culture, Arts and Heritage Minister Datuk Seri Dr Rais Yatim) twice and each time, I have stated our stand,” he told a press conference here Friday after attending a two-hour meeting between Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

    Relations between the two countries had become tense recently following a series of demonstrations by Indonesians at the Malaysian Embassy in Jakarta for allegedly “stealing” their music and culture by including barongan and batik into the country’s tourism promotion campaign.

    On the issue of batik, however, Jero said he would leave it to the group of eminent persons to “settle” the issue.

    Abdullah had earlier announced the setting up of the group, to be made up of representatives from various sectors in both countries to keep surveillance of events and issues which might lead to complications in bilateral ties.

  25. #25 by frusmalaysian on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 12:06 am

    We are inclined to believe that these Hindraf leaders who are in dentention have no links to the LTTE. That their unjust detention was based on a report that they ostensibly have links to the Tigers because one of the leaders reportedly said: they would fight like the Tigers for their course.

    We feel the way our Police have handled this Hindraf matter have really brought great shame and, undone the high esteem it’s Special Branch commanded among the rakyat of this country, and governments around the world. As we all know, our SB was considered (hope it’s still is and we want to believe it’s so) the best in this region. It was because of their top-class effeciency that we were able to defeat the communist. They knew the latter, inside out, regarding their organisation right; down to their smallest cell, their strength, their movements, their modus operandi etc..etc.

    It is therefore beyond our belief that our SB (the best in this region) would not have obtained any intelligence, from day 1, to the formation of Hindraf and its link to a terrorist organisation, whereas, they were able to track, trace and do survelliance on KMM and nip them in the bud. Why did they let them (Hindraf) grow and multiply until they were able to muster such force (as in the 30,000 demonstrators)? If they were terrorist-linked such big demonstration would have been followed with co-ordinated violence like arm insurrection, suicide bombing etc.

    In short, the Home Ministry and police ( we believe its more of the Home Ministry) trumped up the charges on Hindraf leaders based not on credible intelligence but more on political persuasion of the government. The PDRM have been made use of by the politicians.

  26. #26 by Colonel on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 12:28 am

    The truth which everybody knows is that those who claim hindraf leaders have links to a terrorist organization. want them silenced, and those who claim they do not have such links and that such links at worst exist only in the imagination of some of their leaders want them freed so they could develop those links, and the difference between the former and the latter is that the former has the power to detain and the latter has no power to force their release.

    Now can we move on?

  27. #27 by U32 on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 1:09 am

    Anything to do with that shooting of the MIC politician in Johore ?

  28. #28 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 7:32 am

    `..such links at worst exist only in the imagination of some of their leaders want them freed so they could develop those links..` – colonel

    So what you are saying is that you got inside information that hindraf have imported hardware material for terrorism. If you got info why don`t you go to the cops and save them their current embarassment.
    I wonder what you want to move on to?

  29. #29 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 7:35 am

    Why did they let them (Hindraf) grow and multiply until they were able to muster such force (as in the 30,000 demonstrators)?- frusmalaysian

    The hindraf demo crossed all party lines. It took 50years of build up.

  30. #30 by chiakchua on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 7:47 am

    This is their usual tactic of threatening the commoners from supporting any organisation that is labeled as anti-government. Their motive is to frighten the commoners who are sympathetic to HINDRAF so that everybody will distant away from them. And they will say, see, nobody supports them (grin)! By doing so, they are also cutting off their financial support, ending their further activities.

    Nothing we can do with these crooks except VOTE ANY OPPOSITION during every election! Tell your older generation who had been cheated by BN the truth to vote against them from this coming GE.

  31. #31 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:06 am

    Well, going by this at least hindraf is moving on:

    Without any doubt, the Hindraf Rally is one of the milestones in the history of ethnic relations in Malaysia. As many have witnessed and aptly described, it has liberated the minds of many Indian Malaysians, which for 50 years have given the most loyal support to the UMNO-led coalition.

    I doubt the arrest of its five leaders under ISA will kill the movement. It certainly has not killed the spirit of countless Hindraf supporters out there.

    In fact, BN may soon regret the arrest of Hindraf 5. By depriving their ethnic leaders, it has paved way for the angry Indian grass-roots to seek political expressions beyond their ethnic boundary.
    http://chinhuatw.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/join-helen-ang-in-revisiting-the-hindraf-rally/

  32. #32 by Bigjoe on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:08 am

    When the British created the ISA, its not that they ignored the issue of check and balance. The truth is they made the ISA a prerogative of the PM so that only the PM is accountable for it. In other words, if people are unhappy with it, they have to take it to the PM, the only way is by demonstration. Our constitution guarantee the right of free assembly which is what the British thought would be its ultimate check not the electoral box which is indirect.

    Our failure to take this issue to the street is a reflection of our apathy over the issue. This issue is not going to be settled via the electoral box. Its going to be settled in the streets one way or other.

  33. #33 by helpless on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:08 am

    Check here
    http://daftarj.spr.gov.my/

    To confirm u can check this kids details… if you want to know how BN and their compo nent parties win s.
    IC: 991214740101
    IC: 910815750017
    IC: 981231081137

    Hey what the hell is this? the IC number provided here are the people who were born after 1991 in which their ages are 8 year old, 16 year old and 9 year old, how is this happening?

  34. #34 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:17 am

    EC clarifies ‘underage voter’ email

    Election Commission (EC) Selangor has clarified that a widely spread email claiming that there were underage voters in two Parliamentary constituencies is false.
    Names removed
    Rolls on display
    http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/76963

  35. #35 by lakshy on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:37 am

    Ask EC to explain this then. Just taken from their site a few seconds ago.

    MEDAN KETERANGAN
    Kad Pengenalan : 991214740101 / 0562235
    Nama : SEER HOR LEONG
    Jantina : LELAKI
    Lokaliti : 092 / 02 / 04 / 011 – LADANG TAN TEOW LIM
    Daerah Mengundi : 092 / 02 / 04 – TEBUK PULAI
    DUN : 092 / 02 – SABAK
    Parlimen : 092 – SABAK BERNAM
    Negeri : SELANGOR
    Status Rekod : DATA INI UNTUK SEMAKAN DAFTAR PEMILIH
    Sebarang pertanyaan : [email protected]

  36. #36 by lakshy on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:39 am

    and this

    MEDAN KETERANGAN
    Kad Pengenalan : 981231081137 / 1207648
    Nama : HJ ABD WAHAB B MD SAMAN
    Jantina : LELAKI
    Lokaliti : 092 / 02 / 11 / 008 – PARIT 8 TIMOR
    Daerah Mengundi : 092 / 02 / 11 – TEBUK KENCHONG
    DUN : 092 / 02 – SABAK
    Parlimen : 092 – SABAK BERNAM
    Negeri : SELANGOR
    Status Rekod : DATA INI UNTUK SEMAKAN DAFTAR PEMILIH
    Sebarang pertanyaan : [email protected]

    If he is a HJ, it must be a mistake in the IC no?

  37. #37 by lakshy on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:41 am

    Hey guys, I think its some mistake in the new IC no. The old IC no shown here would mean he is older.

    MEDAN KETERANGAN
    Kad Pengenalan : 910815750017 / 3587582
    Nama : PERIASAMY K
    Jantina : LELAKI
    Lokaliti : 113 / 54 / 03 / 001 – LADANG FERMANAGH
    Daerah Mengundi : 113 / 54 / 03 – TANJONG RHU
    DUN : 113 / 54 – TANJONG SEPAT
    Parlimen : 113 – SEPANG
    Negeri : SELANGOR
    Status Rekod : DATA INI UNTUK SEMAKAN DAFTAR PEMILIH
    Sebarang pertanyaan : [email protected]

  38. #38 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:21 am

    JD says:”Absolutely disgusting to the Malaysian Indian community.The 2 so called leaders of the community squabbling like little kids infront of one of the most democratic country in the world India.How do this 2 idiotic leaders expect the community to respect and listen to them when the behave like morons?

    These politicians are always at each others necks is also because these people never tell the truth.One is talking in India in a completely lost and untruthful manner and expects the Indian press to be lenient.My advise to Sam is just keep your mouth shut if you done know what you are talking about.

    As for the PPP leader you’re no better,behaving like a kid.If you have an issue with Sam you can behave civilized and wait for the idiot to come back to confront him of his allegations instead of reacting and showing India the kind of uncivilized Malaysian Indian leaders we have.

    My advise to you Kay is to look at the man in the mirror and stop telling lies and also to realize that the Malaysian Indians are fed up with wolfs in sheepskins.

    I m suggesting to the both of you,that it’s time to pack up and maybe go to Thailand to learn Muay Thai.After learning it,the both of you can hire a ring and kill your selfs fighting.

    Stop embarressing us the Malaysian Indian community in the eyes of the world!Both of you need to go and it will be soon!”.
    http://makkalsakti.blogspot.com/2008/01/watch-two-little-indian-kids-fight.html

  39. #39 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:46 am

    Well, I’ll be the crouching dragon then :) Come on la…what is this? Talking like in tamil movies. If this party is really serious, please come up with the manifesto and plans. Already more than 47 days since launching, and nothing other than lot of air. Even Hindraf which organised the rally on the same day as MIUP launch are planning for second one and have created a mental revolution in Indians. What is MIUP doing? Where’s the website? Where’s the press conference? Election coming soon, what’s your stand and opinion? I think PKR no need to waste time with this party. Better concentrate on election, which is bread and butter issue for politicians.

    http://poobalan.com/blog/borninmalaysia/2008/01/11/miup-a-sleeping-tiger/#respond

  40. #40 by dawsheng on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 10:31 am

    “This appeal to Queen Elizabeth and Mahatma Ghandi is a mistake. The banners scream ‘We are Malaysians’. To the other Malaysians, it seems to be that the protesters are Indian Hindus first and Malaysians second. The ethnic, religious identity is pushed forward. The name ‘Hindraf’ is also exclusive. It excludes Indians who are Christians, Sikhs and Muslims.”

    Nonsense!

  41. #41 by dawsheng on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 10:53 am

    This writer who used Gandhi’s first & second name (Mohandas Karamchand) has insulted the Father of India by coming up with such a ridiculous statement about Hindraf, directly and indirectly insulted all the Indians on this planet. What has the writer done for the marginalized Indian community in Malaysia for him/her to judge what is right or wrong? Ridiculously irresponsible!

  42. #42 by dawsheng on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 10:57 am

    All Hindraf did was what Samy Vellu and MIC supposed to do.

  43. #43 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 11:51 am

    And because he would not do, he will now go the way of the dodo.

  44. #44 by lakshy on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 12:50 pm

    Hey I just donated. And after hearing this I wanna donate more to the families of those detained under ISA. Just spoke to a friend who also donated huge amounts. Well done malaysians. Keep it up.

    And since the gomen says the 50,000 people in KL on 25th November does not represent the majority of Indians, lets all boycott Batu caves and see whether 1 million people not being there represents still a minority of Indians!

    We can use n on-violence to convey our message. satya-graha.

  45. #45 by Malaysian on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 12:52 pm

    i feel sympathy with HINDRAF when i first heard the news of terrorism linked to them.
    My immediate impression was that this is the only way for govt to use ISA to get them into the jail to shut their mouth up.

  46. #46 by Tickler on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 1:07 pm

    Thaipusam: Other temples are okay too

    Murugan is everywhere, as long as there is a temple for him, His power cannot be diluted. On top of that, given the current scenario, I am positive that the Wise and Almighty Murugan will understand and be there for his devotee irregardless of the place.
    http://malaysiakini.com/letters/76937

  47. #47 by toyolbuster on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 1:46 pm

    Samy Velu is playing an Indian snake god, or he think he is one himself, speaking with 2 tongues or split tongues. 1 minute he can announce to the world that Malaysia do not require anymore foreign workers, especially those from India and and Bangladesh. Less than an hour later, he announced to the same wide world that Malaysia do not have such policy to ban Indian workers. Make no mistake, for Samy is a lone Indian cabinet minister of Malaysia, so he knows what hes talking about. Samy advises not to listen to any talk by the opposition cos they tell lies. Samy only tells the truth cos he is a minister and he knows it all, depending which tongue is talking.

  48. #48 by Leo on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 2:03 pm

    Guys, I guess talk but no action will not reap any result. I think Malaysian should put their acts together to flush out BN in the next election.

    Do your best to influence friends and family to register and vote for the correct person.

  49. #49 by Short-sleeve on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 7:30 pm

    Free Hindraf 5 now!!

  50. #50 by HB Lim on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 8:40 pm

    Of course the 5 Hindraf detained have no connection with the Tamil Tigers. Samy knows the truth that he and the MIC have been cowards. They cannot put up with Indian sentiments and realisation spurred by Hindraf that they have generally been marginalised, which is the truth. They cannot face a regurgitation of the dirt and smell of their sinful wealth compared to the general poverty of the Indians, which is the truth. They just cannot face the truth. So, what can cowards like Samy Veloo do? Invent stories associating them with the Tamil Tigers and take them away because he has the power to take them away and he craves for and wants to stay in power. I wonder how that ‘no-shame’ coward can sleep properly at night when the five have been unfairly detained and forced to be away from the comfort of home and the love of their family. Imagine, just imagine, you incorrigible liar and a scum of the earth, the lives of all those affected by your cowardice, your lies, and think, just think who gave you the right to be so cruel, so unfair to a fellow human being. What if the same thing is done to your family? You make people sick and you are in power by trickery and you know that. You have to remain in power also by trickery, by unfair tactics and oppression. But maybe, it is no use lamenting to and trying to talk to him as if he is still capable of human feelings and thoughts. He has no sense of shame left in him. I think he is a goner – he is no longer human like many of our politicians, completely anaesthetised or deadened by power and wealth. Lying and lying…that is the way of his life and he thinks it is perfectly alright to lie and lie. But the truth also is that you cannot fool all the Indians all the time. You will be visited with appropriate retributions for what you have done to the Hindraf 5.

  51. #51 by k1980 on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:08 pm

    & Criteria when voting for your rep
    Criteria No 1: The elected representative must be available. In this time of technology it means that he is contactable by email or hand phone. Well I would understand if he is too busy to pick a call on his hand phone but the minimum expectation is that he is to have a dedicated local comunity website that carries his email address. I expect him to read and to reply emails. On occasion he must on a regular planned scheduled meets the people who lives in his area ireespective who they had voted and their political believes

    Criteria No 2: The elected representative must have compassion. The elected representative representative must show his compassion for the people beyond the color of race and party. He must show greater compassion for those that did not vote for him/her than those who vote for him/her. He must go out of his way to assist the people especially those in the opposition

    Criteria No 3: The elected representative must treat his/her fellow malaysians equally. The elected representative must see malaysians as one race i.e. Malaysian and not by the difference in skin color. He or she must appreciate that all of us are visitors to this land – some earlier than others. The only true Bumiputeras are the the natives i.e. orang asli. If they understand this than they are no different from others. There is only one race. He must make a stand openly on this matter.

    Criteria No 4: The elected representative must have a clear mesurable target for the people.The elected representative must present a clear measurable goals for the people to judge his performance in his area. Let people decide on your mesurable promises. Dont tell us the what you can do for the world.. start small and tell us what you can do for us.. the people living in your constituency. This is far more important to us than what is happening in Iraq or palestine. What is the point of going overseas to help others when you dont do enough at home.

    Criteria No 5: The elected representative must work towards community bonding. There is a need to go back to basic. People who lives in major towns, spent their time working and isolating themselves in their home. There is very little communal activity that force people to come out an interact. We live in the age of not knowing what our neighbors does and in some cases they dont even know their names.My elected representative must focus on this areas. It must use its resources in uniting and encouraged people to get together.

    Criteria No 6: The elected representative is free from corruption. I think this is self explanatory.

    Criteria No 7: The elected representative must show character of serving others before serving himself. By the nature of the job which has long hours and service orientatated, I expect the person must show strong character in defining social service. He must at least an active member of various social related organization. Joining politics is not about gaining wealth or enriching your family members or having a title. This is a service orientated job. If you dont have what it takes, dont do it.

    http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/1077/36/

  52. #52 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:24 pm

    “Our constitution guarantee the right of free assembly …” Bigjoe

    No. Our Constitution does not guarantee the right to assemble peaceably and without arms (to use the language of the Federal Constitution of 1957).

    If it does then there is no need for Clause 2(b).

    For comparison, the U.S. Constitution reads “Congress shall make no law…prohibiting the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances”.

  53. #53 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:37 pm

    Dawsheng,

    Which part of the following is wrong”

    “This appeal to Queen Elizabeth and Mahatma Ghandi is a mistake. The banners scream ‘We are Malaysians’. To the other Malaysians, it seems to be that the protesters are Indian Hindus first and Malaysians second. The ethnic, religious identity is pushed forward. The name ‘Hindraf’ is also exclusive. It excludes Indians who are Christians, Sikhs and Muslims.”

    The appeal to Queen Elizabeth and Ghandi – fact
    The banners read “We are Malaysians” – fact
    The protectors were not non-Hindus – fact
    Indian Hindus and Malaysians second – opinion
    The ethnic and religious identity is pushed forward – fact/opinion
    The name Hindraf is exclusive and excludes Indians who are not Hindus – fact/opinion

  54. #54 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:38 pm

    …ooops rather “Which part of the following is untrue?”

  55. #55 by DarkHorse on Saturday, 12 January 2008 - 9:48 pm

    “What has the writer done for the marginalized Indian community in Malaysia for him/her to judge what is right or wrong? Ridiculously irresponsible!” Dawsheng

    It is not relevant to the issues whether ‘Karamchand’ or Karam Singh whatever his real name is. I don’t think the writer is judging anybody. What is wrong if he does? We should address the issues he raised – if any.

  56. #56 by DanR on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 12:18 am

    Read this carefully. Who is Samy blaming?

    source: http://news.my.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1187091

    Samy Vellu said at the moment some members of the Indian community were creating anti-MIC feeling.

    “They write as though the people hate us a lot. When people think we are no longer useful, perhaps a shoot to kill can occur,” he said.

  57. #57 by limkamput on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 2:35 am

    dawseng, i fully agree with you. it is nonsensical the opinion put forward by darkhorse.

    “I don’t think the writer is judging anybody. What is wrong if he does?” darkhorse

    if the writer is not judging, then what was he doing, playing marble is it? If he did, then he is entirely wrong!!! got it?

  58. #58 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 7:39 am

    Yes, Sir. I got you. I apologize for having littered the blog with my nonsense. Shall I leave the blog?

  59. #59 by Tickler on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 9:59 am

    Cracks appear in Malaysia’s multi-ethnic settlement

    Source : Financial Times
    By John Burton in Singapore

    When at least 10,000 ethnic Indians gathered late last year in Kuala Lumpur to demonstrate against alleged racial discrimination, it triggered political tremors in multi-ethnic Malaysia. Not only did the protest defy a state edict against unauthorised outdoor assemblies, it also broke a taboo against publicly questioning the country’s long-standing policy of preferential treatment for majority Muslim Malays.
    [ ]
    Many observers were surprised that the protest was mounted by ethnic Indians, Malaysia’s smallest and most quiescent racial minority, who have been the strongest supporters of the National Front coalition government since it came to power in 1957. But dissent has grown among Indians recently with the destruction of Hindu temples that officials said were built illegally and court cases that ruled that Muslim-born Indians could not convert to the Hindu faith.
    http://yennamike.blogspot.com/2008/01/cracks-appear-in-malaysias-multi-ethnic.html

  60. #60 by shortie kiasu on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 1:05 pm

    Teaching professions in Malaysia: teachers, headmasters, principals… are not infiltrated by the religious lunatics. Whether the schools or colleges is co-ed or not, it is immaterial to these lunatics and fanatics. They are one tracked mind and they see only tunnel-vision.

    So the pupils & students churned out by these lunatics and fanatics cannot not be better off; can only be worse off.

    In time to come, the Malaysian society will be flooded with such characters. One can guess the type of future in the country without much difficulties.

    We need a strong opposition or an alternative government to bring “Change” – the key words now being thrown around in the current Primaries of the American Presidential election!

  61. #61 by dawsheng on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 1:37 pm

    First of all, the fact about Hindraf is that it was the first protest of its kind we have seen in this country, so instead of saying what Hindraf did was right or wrong, we should focus on why it happened in the first place, we should focus on the reasons why more than 30,000 Indians took their grievances to the street, the numbers of Hindraf’s supporters speak volumes, they came from all walls of lives and no way we can say these 30,000 peoples are wrong.

    The first question came to mind, besides Hindraf who can help the Indians and make known their grievances and problems? Who can they count on to stop Indian temples from being demolished?

    Secondly, why didn’t they carry the posters with potrait of Abdullah Badawi or Tunku Abdul Rahman but instead that of Gandhi, and appealed to the queen instead of Agong? Will the results be different then?

    Thirdly, is it wrong for Hindraf to gather its supporters to rally behind race and religion when the ruling party is also doing the same thing for supports in order to cling on to power, what more when the reality is that they (Indians) are the victims of marginalization?

    Fourthly, if Hindraf is a mistake, does that means BN is right?

    There’s only questions, there’s no answers, there’s no right and there’s no wrong. But at least, what Hindraf did can only be described as action speaks louder than words, and it didn’t change the fact that they are the new underclass in this country, and that’s a problem, we should do more and help.

  62. #62 by kaybeegee on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 10:52 pm

    Before the Police go roundharassing people whom they claimed have donated funds to Hindraf, I DARE the IGP to investigate his officers and all other Government Officers, and Judges who have free often called Honorary Golf club memberships. YB Lim Kit Siang, I humbly suggest you ask in Parliament the Chief Secretary of the Government to declare how many government servants have Honorary memberships of clubs belonging to business personages (Sultan of Perak in his address to the Malaysian Law conference cautioned judges about being pally with such people).
    Why did these Government servants accept these free golf club memberships? Anti Corruption Act section 8 is clear as to meaning of gratification.Than when Musa has ascertained how many of his officers play golf weekends when it is most expensive to play golf at clubs he should ask his officers who paid for their golf clubs, golf games and the bangsats also accept free meals!
    Leave Hindraf alone, go and wipe out corruption in your Foarce
    Tell your men to have some dignity. If teachers cannot even accept a pencil on Teachers Day, non teachers government servants can accept Golf club memeberships worth thousands of ringgit. Protection la, otherwise why should people give?

  63. #63 by DarkHorse on Sunday, 13 January 2008 - 11:04 pm

    “First of all, the fact about Hindraf is that it was the first protest of its kind we have seen in this country, so instead of saying what Hindraf did was right or wrong, we should focus…” dawsheng

    Which was what the writer ‘Mohandass Karamchand’ was addressing to among others. Unfortunately, the cut and paste (like all cut and paste) takes the statement out of context. Please read his article in its entirety.

    As an Indian albeit a non-Hindu the writer felt there should be a movement which involves all Indian Malaysians. Hindraf involves only Tamil hindus and therefore represents an exclusive approach to what is a wider Indian issue.

    It appears to him that hindraf leaders had overplayed their cards with their appeal to the monarch of a foreign country and to the New Delhi government, and the use of Ghandi’s posters makes them vulnerable to accusations that their supporters owe their allegiance to a foreign country.

    The writer apparently shows empathy if not sympathy for all Indians marginalized by the UMNO led government. How could he not show empathy because he is an Indian himself. He himself may be a Malayalee , Gujerati or a Sinhalese who does well as a lawyer or banker or doctor.

    He is entitled to his opinion. Don’t you think so? Your first posting did not raise any issues except to say it was ‘nonsense’ which prompted me to ask which part of the statement by the writer that you do not agree.

  64. #64 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 January 2008 - 12:29 am

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I think he (not you) is nonsense.

  65. #65 by limkamput on Monday, 14 January 2008 - 7:38 am

    As an Indian albeit a non-Hindu the writer felt there should be a movement which involves all Indian Malaysians. Hindraf involves only Tamil hindus and therefore represents an exclusive approach to what is a wider Indian issue. Darkhorse

    This is precisely the problem, waiting, contemplating and procrastinating for the best ideal situation before taking certain action. Hello, Hindraf made things happen, period. To wait for all Indians to act, we may have to wait till the cow come home. Besides other Indians may not have the problem the Hindu Tamil faced. In life, we should have done this and that. But that is not real. Most often that not, we do the best we can under the circumstances. This is what Hindraf did.

  66. #66 by Tickler on Monday, 14 January 2008 - 9:25 am

    In any event, most MIC members are formed of those from the estates and those that enetered malaysia under the then indentured system. These are hindus from Tamil Nadu.
    It doesn`t matter if Hindraf represents all hindus or is `exclusive`. They single handedly did what no one else (no matter how much they rant and rave, but at elections swing BN) could or would do.
    For that they have my respect.

  67. #67 by Colonel on Monday, 14 January 2008 - 9:52 pm

    “To wait for all Indians to act, we may have to wait till the cow come home.” limkamput

    Only one cow?? Why are you looking down on the Indians?

  68. #68 by aiD_kamikuP on Monday, 14 January 2008 - 10:10 pm

    He meant that solitary cow is none other than Sami to come home from India.

  69. #69 by limkamput on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 12:04 am

    Why are you looking down on the Indians? colonel

    I never look down on Indians, unlike you and your friend. I only look down on you, [email protected]

  70. #70 by Count Dracula on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 12:57 am

    “I only look down on you, [email protected]” limkamput

    Why are you looking on the Colonel? Why must you look down on posters? Why are you putting down Dark Horse?

    Every time Indians are discussed, you think of cows. Does it not say something about you and your Kg. Attap education?

  71. #71 by laifoong on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 2:44 am

    “Only one cow?? ” Colonel

    ha..ha..ha! ‘cow’ translated means ‘lembu’….one ‘cow’ translated is ‘lembu’ but many ‘cows’ is till ‘lembu’ ….so “wait till the lembu (cow) come home”… comes out as “wait till the cow come home”…. looks like the only lembu here is limkamphut….lol

  72. #72 by limkamput on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 8:45 am

    laifoong, you are pathetic, you can’t even write one complete sentence. What is this… here and … there. Typical no class people. Quick, write me one para in continuos prose.

    Dracula, Oh yes, I look down not just on Colonel, you too. Afterall, you two are the same right? Two in one person, sometimes you get confused also, don’t talk about others.

  73. #73 by Colonel on Tuesday, 15 January 2008 - 9:44 pm

    Limkamphut, lai foong is merely educating you on the finer points of the English language. Those who think in Malay and writes in English like yourself should take heed of her advice.

  74. #74 by limkamput on Wednesday, 16 January 2008 - 12:06 pm

    “Those who think in Malay and writes in English like yourself should take heed of her advice”. Colonel

    Can you find a grammatical error in your sentence? Talking about educating me the finer points! Pathetic.

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