Lingam Tape – has Nazri let the cat out of the bag how to end all inquiry?

Has the Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, let the cat out of the bag — that there would be no further inquiry into the Lingam Tape if its authenticity could not be fully determined with the maker of the tape showing and owning up?

New Straits Times front-page headline has put it most bluntly: “NO SOURCE, NO CASE — SAYS NAZRI”

If the whole idea is to stymie any full inquiry into the serious allegations of the Lingam Tape about the perversion of the course of justice concerning the fixing of judicial appointments and the fixing of court decisions, this is as good a stratagem as any.

Of course, even if the makers of the Lingam Tape show up, there is no guarantee that it would be followed up with a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Lingam Tape and the rot of the judiciary in the past 19 years since 1988.

I am completely baffled by Nazri’s reference to the Witness Protection Act (Star, Sun) which he said assured protection to the person or persons who took the Lingam Tape. New Straits Times reported him as referring to the Witness Protection Bill, “tabled recently in Parliament” — which is untrue, as no such bill had been tabled in Parliament.

I had been pressing for a Whistleblowers Protection Act to give meaning to a national campaign to expose corruption, misuse of funds, government scandals, criminal breach of trust and all forms of malpractices and abuses of power but the government had been dragging its feet and there are no signs that the government is ready to present a Witness Protection Bill to Parliament.

It is the height of irresponsibility for Nazri to give assurance of protection under a law which does not exist, but it is an even greater height of irresponsibility to envision a scuttling of all investigations into the Lingam Tape, its allegations of perversion of the course of justice and the rot of the judiciary in the past 19 years under a “No Source, No Case” scenario.

If the Prime Minister and Cabinet are serious about restoring national and international confidence in the independence, integrity and meritocracy of the judiciary after the ravages of 19 years, an important element to enhance our international competitiveness, the Lingam Tape should be sufficient ground for the establishment of a Royal Commission of Inquiry unless there is evidence that it is complete fake.

Let the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullahh Ahmad Badawi confirm whether what Nazri disclosed represents his official position — that unless the maker or makers of Lingam Tape show up, further inquiries into the Lingam Tape will ground to a halt. This will indeed be a national shame and tragedy.

  1. #1 by Lrong on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 12:29 pm

    A very likely possibility… even if they go ahead with the inquiry, the most probable outcome would still zero… indeed a very baffling phenomenon to see these characters running the ‘opposite direction’ when they are supposed to be pinning down the culprits…

  2. #2 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 12:57 pm

    “It is the height of irresponsibility for Nazri to give assurance of protection under a law which does not exist” – YB Kit.

    That is why when you clarified in the earlier thread that you were “not aware of either Witness Protection Act or Witness Protection”, I was perplexed how could the Witness Protection Bill be tabled, without the Leader of Opposition being informed about it? Now you further clarified that “there are no signs that the government is ready to present a Witness Protection Bill to Parliament”.

    That’s a grave misrepresentation by a supposedly responsible minister to the public via the media isn’t it?

    Are they so desperate as misrepresent as to facts?

    Some more the honourable minister had reportedly said, as reported on front page of NST today, “As such it is important for them (meaning Anwar/PKR) to reveal the source, failing which we can only conclude that they are lying….”.

    However as I have said before and would say again the determination of the authenticity of the video clip is forensic in character (by forensic image authentication and spectrographic voice identification) which can be proceeded upon independently of the maker of the video clip confirming he made it.

    The Minister further said that “My assurance is that we have an Act to protect them (the witnesses) … if we don’t believe in the Government, who would we trust?” but the question remains for the public, how do believe the government that says that there is protection for witnesses under a Bill or an Act where none actually presently exists? :)

  3. #3 by lupus on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:04 pm

    When Nazri assures witness protection – the question is – for whom? The blower or the accused. The act to protect the accused is usually name the blower so that the accused can sue the sh*t out of them. After all, it their word against theirs.

  4. #4 by helpless on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:15 pm

    Result as expected….
    Nazri and BN only do monkey business….
    Voter continue to vote for BN….
    Frustration continue…..
    Corruption continue……

    Lets continue making noice….at the same time think of other avenue…

  5. #5 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:20 pm

    The assurance is : give a good (whistle) blow job and you could then a new identity can be arranged, undergo a (plastic) surgery to change the look, then relocation in Kamunting – that’s the thrust of the Witness Protection Bill/Act!

  6. #6 by boh-liao on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:25 pm

    theStar: A new identity or even new look can be arranged for the person or persons who took the controversial video of a prominent lawyer allegedly brokering the appointment of judges, said Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Aziz.

    Wow! This Nazri is living in the 4th dimension, the realm of 007 and bum. He really believes that the nation is populated with fools having lower IQ than his.

    Nazri’s presence in our parliament is truly an insult to Malaysians’ intelligence.

  7. #7 by Justicewanted on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:29 pm

    New Straits Times front-page headline has put it most bluntly: “NO SOURCE, NO CASE – SAYS NAZRI”

    Looks like the BOZO Nazri is the self appointed fourth member of the original THREE STOOGES panel.

    Who, in their rightful will believe the government when there are so many parties “investigating” the Lingamgate?????

  8. #8 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:57 pm

    The relevance of Witness Protection programme is to protect witnesses, who are prepared to testify for the government against criminals and gangsters and mobsters against the latter’s reprisals such protection usually in form of placing the witness in the hands of the government for secret relocation and arrangement of new identity. How does this Witness Protection programme apply where the testimony here (on the video clip) is against (not gangsters/mobsters) but the government and government’s officials themselves? It is like placing one’s protection in the very hands of those who have the greatest motivation to neutralise that person. The proper assurance to trade with the Lingamgate Whistle blower/ video clip maker is not, as what Nazri alleged, the Witness Protection Bill – which to date has not even been tabled and read in Parliament, much less passed as law and gazetted – but a public guarantee by the government to the whistleblower of a blanket immunity from any prosecution or civil suits under any law for testifying before the Haidar’s Panel of Enquiry.

  9. #9 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 1:59 pm

    So far as Nazri is concerned, a zebra never change its stripes. He is the ‘boy’ assigned to do all the dirty work for BN. So he is not such an idiot, only an obedient one.

  10. #10 by lakshy on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:03 pm

    Then the source should not show his face and report to the panel as this is all a farce! Let the rakyat know what a farce they have in control of the nation and its coffers. The RAKYAT are to blame for this, and the RAKYAT can make it right again.

    People power!

  11. #11 by lakshy on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:05 pm

    I suggest that DAP or PKR file a suit of corruption against CJ… along the same lines of the Anwar Ibrahim case and corrupt use of power.

    Then lets see whether they investigate anything!

  12. #12 by Rocky on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:05 pm

    what bull form Nazri again and again. He writes into star giving his side of the story.time the star gave our side of the story to his current BS.

  13. #13 by sheriff singh on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:20 pm

    Isn’t the Panel’s decision going to be a foregone conclusion?

    Are we expecting them to come up with something “brave” that will rock the foundations?

    Was it not clear from the very start?

    “Tell me the truth”, the man says but is he going to do anything at all if past experiences are a guide? A lot of empty statements and broken promises, that’s about all. And he says them with a straight poker face.

    A lot of gas and hot air, but no action at all. Do you trust him anymore? Can you trust him?

  14. #14 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:35 pm

    This was scripted from the very beginning. The panel was formed with the authentication of the videoclip. Immediately after that, the ACA was “entrusted” with helping the panel in its investigations.

    How can you authenticate a copy ?

    Remember that Abu Talib authorised the destruction of the original videotape of the then Deputy Speaker Vijandran having a good time with a certain lady. If we surrender the original now, it will also be destroyed. Don’t expect it to be sent to a US lab for analysis. The Malaysian way of analysis is good enough – destroy the evidence that implicates the ruling politicians and their allies.

  15. #15 by sheriff singh on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:37 pm

    Let’s face it. Only a few guys up there are controlling the direction of the “inquiry”. And they are not giving comfort and confidence to anyone who might wish to come forward. We have become a scared society, living in fear and minding our own business.

    In all likelihood, the witnesses will be subjected to undue pressure and ridicule and maybe even charged for some silly offence and liable for some civil suit as well.

    And the main meat, the big issue about the sad state of the Judiciary will be forgotten.

    Dr Koh Tsu Koon, what say you now after your weekend “bravado”.

  16. #16 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:38 pm

    And don’t worry about the fact that the Police has a stockpile of C4 that could be taken out without stringent verification.

    If you don’t want to end up like Altantuya, you should simply hand over the original tape to a US lab for analysis, and their conclusions made public. Then you allow access to the US lab scientists by members of the panel and the ACA (assuming that they know how to ask the right questions).

  17. #17 by sotong on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:39 pm

    They are desperate to close the case quickly. These are very irresponsible people who are willing to do anything to protect their narrow and selfish interests at all costs.

  18. #18 by k1980 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:40 pm

    Why “Tell me the truth” when he had already been told to set up a Royal Commission to investigate the Lingam tape? If there is no independent investigation, how to get the truth? This is like a sick old man asking for cigarettes despite being repeatedly told that smoking would hasten him to the grave.

  19. #19 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:41 pm

    And like the Port Klang Free Trade Zone scandal, and all the scandals that came before it…poof…the videoclip issue disappears into thin air.


  20. #20 by MALAYSIAN8 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:47 pm

    dear boh-liao
    NAZI’s IQ is dead 1.are u implying the rest of malaysians has nothing in the skull?
    Watergate lost the presidency for Nixon
    Lingamgate got Nazi the presidency of ‘Dumb and Dumber’

    Mr.Lim ,i have a question here.since the tape is a farce,does thhis mean that lingam chillie sauce and his cohort can sue PKR for defamation? since LAW in malaysia is ever changing and subverted to anyone’s fancy as long as you pay the right amount of commision and get the right lawyer that is lingam boy.

  21. #21 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:57 pm

    Instead of focusing on proper governance, and worrying about the well-being of the rakyat, these clowns spend all the time trying to figure out the best methods of cover-up. And when they have exhausted all means of cover-up, they call the mainstream press not to highlight the problem, and then they challenge you to prove that the scandals actually did happen.

    I don’t believe that 90 pct of the voters don’t understand the shenanigans of these crooks.

  22. #22 by waterman on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 2:58 pm

    It is so obvious for all to see now that our elected government has placed itself above the law. Nazri would not dare to speak like that without his bosses’ permission. They don’t need to go through any parlimentary proceedings but they can just speak the law into existence as and when it suits them. I fear they have also placed themselves above the King. If not why the silence from the Istana? This is frightening?

    Yes, Jeffrey is right, get the tape authenticated by an international recognized body would be an urgent step to consider.

    If ACA is sincere,which I doubt, they could have zeroed in on Lingam in person whether he confirms or denies he was the person in the video. Any innocent person in the capacity of senior lawyer would have responded strongly to his Bar Council and called upon press conferences to lay bare his innocence.

    But he did nothing except passing this ‘mess’ to the government to “scratch his back” as it were now that it’s his turn who needs help after all that he has done for “fixing” so many of them to high places today. Hence the government put forward “the law minister’ to ‘take care ‘of the case. If you don’t like his handling you are considered just a drop in the ocean because 91% of the people are happy and you can always migrate.That’s their mindset.

    The panel & ACA could focus on:-
    1) The voice identification of the speaker in the phone if it was Lingam’s.

    2) Check the phone records if the other person on the line is CJ.

    3)The contains involved “fixings that had already happened” and “fixings that were going to happen”. Verifying those “going to happen” things that were fixed weather they actually happened should speaks volumes.

    4) The whistleblower/s can come forward much later.

    But I think they are just desperately trying to get to the whistleblower/s to do a “deal” with them so that they can sweep every thing under the carpet & close Lingam’s gate.

    And yet we have our prime minister acting so innocently and begging to be told the truth. How disgusting!

  23. #23 by Bigjoe on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 3:04 pm

    Why is Nazri even commenting on what the next step WILL BE? Is that not the prerogative of the PM at the very least the DPM? Even if he think he is the Minister of our courts, he still have no right to say what the next step will be.

    One can only wonder whether Nazri personally has much at stake at the outcome of a real inquiry??????

    Everytime Nazri opens his mouth on this issue, he gives more reason for a Royal Commission and beyond…

  24. #24 by waterman on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 3:22 pm

    Mkini latest:
    “Nazri Abdul Aziz has guaranteed that the witnesses in the probe of Lingam tape would be given full government protection, including change of identity if needed.”

    See what I mean by how desperate they are trying to get to the whistleblower???

    But having seen Nazri in action all these days, do you want to put your trust in him? Can you?

    Again, it is the biggest joke of the world to have a prime minister crying for truth when just 10 days ago he had 2000 of his nation’s lawyers marching to his palace to appeal to him to set up a Royal Commssion in order to get to the whole truth and he thinks (or at least Nazri) they are the opposition!

    Can someone draw a cartoon on this? What a sick joke!!!!!

  25. #25 by waterman on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 3:29 pm

    After the walk – police harrassment
    “President, Vice President and Secretary called by police about the Walk for Justice”

    Do you think PM really wants the truth? Do you think he wants to listen? If he does he would have invited the above to his office in person instead of sending the police to harrass them!

    Oh what a sick day!

  26. #26 by Libra2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 3:54 pm

    Going by Nazri’s convoluted logic a murder case should be thrown out if there is no eye-witness to the killing. And a rape case can be similarly thrown out.
    This nation is getting sicker and sicker by the day. Its Death is nigh.

  27. #27 by Libra2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 4:28 pm

    As lawyers, the trio should request for a written letter from the police and the charge they are confronted and details of any report made against them.
    They should ignore phone calls.
    Khairy has organized several marches and he was never questioned even once.
    May I request all lawyers to take a common stand to vote Opposition this time around. Thise in BN parties should resign.

  28. #28 by shortie kiasu on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 4:30 pm

    It is going round and round in full circle, as expected.

    From day one we do not have much hope and expect to see the government getting to the root of the issues.

    It is just a game of cat and mouse.

  29. #29 by smeagroo on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 4:31 pm


    He is a born liar!

    Yes, we dont trust the govt.

    New face, new identity but same old crooks and system that will hunt u down!

  30. #30 by k1980 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 5:08 pm

    “Tell me the truth” — well, the truth is in the book below, Mr Dirty

  31. #31 by scooter on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 5:09 pm

    Hello Mr Whistleblower,your life is in danger.Mr Lingam has reveal your name to the police.Even if you change your name do plastic surgery or whatever,sooner or later there will be another case of a body blown up to bits and pieces.If you want to save your life,call him and discuss until the price is agreeable to both of you and make yourself disappear,afterall MALAYSIA BOLEH.Good Luck.

  32. #32 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 5:36 pm

    “Hello Mr Whistleblower, your life is in danger” – Scooter said.

    I don’t think it’ll come to that because the case, on further reflection, may be a little bit more complicated than we have thought…..

    The video clip available now on Internet is but a copy of the original. I guess authenticity of video clip may be presumed if the parties alleged to be in it – ie the senior lawyer and the senior judge – own up, say, yes they were the ones on the phone. Here the judge said he was not the one.

    No problem again if the senior lawyer admitted he was the one, which leaves in contention only the question of who was the other one on the phone not captured on the video clip. Again here no problem if lawyer said judge was the one considering the context and contents of the conversation against the actual subsequent events relating to judicial appointments, which corroborate what was said on the mobile phone.

    Problem arises where both senior lawyer and judge say that the video clip was not real. They say that copies were disseminated by the Opposition camp that has a political agenda to discredit the administration. They say that the images have been superimposed and modified. They say the voice and manner of speaking though sounding like Lingam was someone else’s who had practiced to perfection the way the lawyer normally speak and sound. The images were captured in some other context of the lawyer speaking on the mobile phone. The images are in any case too blur to read his lips movements to check against what’s audible of the conversation. What then?

    As possibilities of superimposition of images and imitation of voice and style of speaking exist, the video clip should be technically authenticated as recording what purportedly happened in 2002.

    For authentication to take place, the panel of enquiry would require: –

    (1) the mobile cameraperson who took the video clip to be a witness to confirm that he actually videotaped the events;

    (2) just in case mobile cameraperson had an agenda to discredit the lawyer and judge, there is a need for another witness to the event to confirm that the cameraman was indeed video taping;

    (3) but that’s enough, as the cameraman could have doctored or modified the contents videotaped, cameraman must produce the original camera phone for expert technical examination;

    (4) only then after witnesses have first surfaced as in (1) to

    (5), then only technical experts (whether locally or from FBI) will be called in to examine the forensics of the mobile camera and examine if the mobile camera has any memory or any digital audit trail or water mark to confirm that the images from the copies circulated in the internet had been processed through this particular mobile/camera belonging to the whistle blower in 2002.

    (6) Now it will be recalled that other ways of checking the phone records of the lawyer implicated requires Telco’s records in 2002. At that time, the Telcoms did not keep records. If they did, they could lose them without anyone knowing the better.

    (7) OK, next we ask for the lawyer’s mobile phone to examine whether there is a digital/audit trail going back to 2002.
    Now there is probably none but even if there were, the lawyer might have owned several such mobile phones, so what is there to stop him from producing another mobile that he didn’t use on that particular occasion? From the copies – or even original of images – could anyone make out the type or brand of mobile phone he was using on that occasion? I don’t think so.

    So on the basis of the above, I think, up to now, the persons accused still have the upper hand to bury the scandal – and not just because they are protected by the powers to be.

    Can one imagine how long it would take to go through the steps above? Probably two general elections!

  33. #33 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 5:39 pm

    sorry typo – 4) should read “only then after witnesses have first surfaced as in (1) to (3)”…

  34. #34 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 6:02 pm

    I was just exaggerating about 2 GEs. It will take longer than the time of (I think) 1 month allotted to the Haidar Special Panel to conclude their findings and certainly extend beyond the retirement date of senior judge. What is in part the a real problem is the challenge of digital technology, its growing at the pace faster than the slow evolving traditional rules of fact finding and evidence gathering that the legal system could cope and adapt.

  35. #35 by KL Dude on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 6:09 pm

    The whole video has turned into reality program actually … a box office reality program using a video cam… he he.

    So the cameraman has gone hiding now together with Lingham…and they say without the cameraman who’s the whistle blower, this case carry no weight.

    So if one day somebody submits a video of a real life murder and the video itself proves as evidence to the murder that really took place (just like the facts mentioned in the Lingham video itself that really took place subsequently) the taxi minister may say the murder is a no case and cannot be proven unless the person who shot the video reveals himself.

  36. #36 by undergrad2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 6:44 pm

    The pussy is out of the bag?? Whose pussy? Nazri’s pussy?!

  37. #37 by borrring on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 7:02 pm

    Since the 3 so-called member panel can’t authenticate the tape, why not send it to US for the CSI to authenticate rather than having another “no case” again?

  38. #38 by borrring on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 7:06 pm

    “The Bar Council wishes to clarify that there is no Witness Protection Act in Malaysia and neither is the Bar Council aware of any Bill to that effect. If there is such a Bill, we are unaware of its contents and scope. However, we would certainly welcome a move by the government to introduce such an Act to protect individuals who are prepared to come forward with vital information, which could not otherwise have been obtained.

    The protection for a witness as described by Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Aziz in the News Straits Times dated 8 October 2007 is not presently available under any legislation in Malaysia.” quoted from The Malaysian Bar – Ambiga Sreenevasan

  39. #39 by straight talk on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 7:08 pm

    This is transperancy in Badawi’s “Malaysia ku Gemilang” This is how the Badawi led government ‘FACE THE TRUTH’. The bird brain Nazri is at it again.

  40. #40 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 7:56 pm

    What Datuk Seri Mohamed Nazri Aziz had said about the Witness Protection Bill/Act had seriously misled the public. He should retract and correct the mistatement.

    According to reseraches made with the Legal Division of the Parliament, PKR president Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail confirmed that that no such bill as the Witness Protection Bill had been tabled for a first reading in the Lower House of Parliament.

    The only bill which was tabled, debated and passed by the Lower House two sessions ago was the Evidence of Child Witness Bill 2007. The Evidence of Child Witness Bill 2007 provides for the giving of evidence by child witnesses which may be given in a combination of manners including video recording of the child’s evidence (away from the court) or in in court separated by a screen or other arrangement put up to prevent a child witness from seeing or be seen by the accused or for media to publish the picture or name of child witness (by definition below 16).

    Surely the honourable minister could not be taken to impute that the witness who took the video clip of Lingam’s conversation was a child.

    In the premises the Minister must be either misrepresenting the facts or genuinely confused between The Evidence of Child Witness Bill 2007 on one hand and the Witness Protection Bill or Act on the other hand.

    Nazri, a trained lawyer is also the minister in charge of legal affairs in the government and ought not to get confused between Evidence of Child Witness Bill 2007 and Witness Protection Bill. He must be aware that to do so (get confused) will be a negative reflection from the public perspective of ministerial competence and by extension the government’s criteria of ministerial appointment. :)

  41. #41 by malaysia born on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 7:59 pm

    even if there is a video tape showing a politician accepting a bribe, there will still be NO action taken.

    even if there is a video tape showing a person killing another person, there will still be NO action taken.

    even if there is a video tape showing babies being kidnap, there will still be NO action taken.

    even if there is a video tape showing mat rempits causing havoc, there will still be NO action taken.

    even if there is a video tape showing security guards abusing their authority, there will still be NO action taken.

    produce a video tape showing someone rapping to the Negaraku and there will be outbursts of anger, cries of stripping the singer of his/her citizenship.

    PM, where is the priority of your government? where is the common sense of your ministers? where is your leadership?

  42. #43 by lhteoh on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 8:46 pm

    The poor leadership we have today from the half pass six cabinet is the outcome from poor education system, the results from the NEP. The education race quota system instead of merit is showing results today. There will be more of this younger idiots like the one champion for MatRampit come to power. There is really little hope in this country and I know they will ask you to leave if you don’t like the country. The minorities in Malaysia are living in the timebomb, this time is going to be worse than 513. The only hope is to deny BN 2/3 majority.

  43. #44 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 8:51 pm


    1. You think a true UMNOputra like Nazri is going to admit his mistake, that he misled the public ? He is more likely to say that he was misquoted.

    2. You think that the mainstream press will pursue this matter or will they be more likely to drop it altogether ?

    3. You think the majority of the voters really care if Nazri was talking out of his proverbial hole ?

  44. #45 by Just Do It on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:19 pm

    My friend’s 13 yr old kid who has been reading Sherlock Holmes series said:

    Why don’t compare the background in the video vs Uncle Lingam possible haunts. Maybe it was recorded in his house?

    Why don’t make a video clip of the real Uncle Lingam, preferably speaking to the script in the hot video clip, and send both clips to the FBI for authentication. If the FBI can authenticate Osama video clip pulled off the internet, then this should be chicken feed.

    My friend said: Son, the big problem for them now is how best to project the video as false lah!

  45. #46 by undergrad2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:19 pm

    A. None of the above

  46. #47 by undergrad2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:21 pm

    FBI?? Why FBI?

  47. #48 by melurian on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:27 pm

    Nazri is very right, no source no case, period.

    “All these (corruption allegations) are lies. Why are you so stupid? Where are the allegations? You have no brains. Stupid, stupid, stupid!… “

  48. #49 by umnology on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:34 pm

    Nazri is the equivalent to an A student of a 7 year old kid.

    Smart and premature.

  49. #50 by undergrad2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:42 pm

    Being stupid is not a crime. Telling lies too is not a crime.

  50. #51 by Godfather on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 9:53 pm

    Yes, being stupid is not only NOT a crime, it is a pre-requisite for all BN MPs. Tell lies is not a crime, but it is actually against one’s religion, particularly if you are expousing the merits of Islam Hadhari.

  51. #52 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 10:15 pm


    Well I am sure he is going to try to deflect and do damage control and spin it but how successful could he be in these endeavours to salvage whatever left of credibility?

    In what way has the Press misquoted him? Was he speaking of the Child Witness Bill 2007 and if so what has it to do with plastic surgery and a new identity or the video clip on Lingam? Or is he going to say that what he meant was that steps are afoot for the government to introduce the Witness Protection Bill? But even if he says this, it will be committing the government to introduce an Act that it does not intend to introduce so early and besides such an Act will take time to take effect way beyond the stipulated time frame for Haidar Panel to conclude its determination on the authenticity issue.

    True, the mainstream press may not pursue this matter but alternative media may for a while…

    However, I read the thrust of your three questions as basically questioning what’s the reason we’re making a big fuss here on Nazri’s misstatement misleading of the public as if it were anything so uncommon or as if anything worthwhile will come out of it. Are you suggesting then that we keep mute and let it pass?

    Although “the majority of the voters may not really care if Nazri was talking out of his proverbial hole” – this is something that we neither can control nor ought immediately be concerned with – does not change the fact that we can still protest and celebrate at the same time and publicize his gaffes and misstatements if only they could embarrass this government to underscore the points that (i) this is the price the government has to pay and always will pay for awarding ministerial positions based on blind loyalty and ingratiation rather than merits and competence; and (ii) the signal should be sent to the high and mighty amongst UMNOputra that times have changed, that they could not just say anything they wish thinking that we Malaysians are all ignorant or stupid, would not react and would let them get away with everything and all the BS they disseminate……… .

    Abraham Lincoln once said, what kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself and we should always be accessory to this process.

  52. #53 by undergrad2 on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 10:56 pm

    I must say this bloke is doing a damn good job. He is deflecting criticism and focusing it on himself rather than the issues. The space given by political blogs to this man bears testimony to this.

    Let’s not talk about him but about what ills our judiciary. Let’s hear some facts.

  53. #54 by mendela on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 10:58 pm

    Looking at the calendar, I think Oct 18th 2007, Thursday at 11 am is an auspicious date and time to have another walk to Bad-Awi’s office at Putrajaya by all the Malaysian lawyers!

  54. #55 by Jong on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 11:06 pm

    You’re so right undergrad2; we’ve all been had but that sob has lost all credibility and if he has any self-worth left, he should RESIGN before his boss!

  55. #56 by waterman on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 11:11 pm

    “undergrad2 Says:
    I must say this bloke is doing a damn good job. He is deflecting criticism and focusing it on himself rather than the issues. The space given by political blogs to this man bears testimony to this.”
    Agreed absolutely. These people are seasoned ‘Tai Chi’ masters. He has full permission from his bosses to say utter silly things just to divert attention and play time until everything cool down & forgotten.

    Let’s not lose our focus. May be this time a walk to the Istana?

  56. #57 by on Monday, 8 October 2007 - 11:25 pm

    “I don’t believe that 90 pct of the voters don’t understand the shenanigans of these crooks.” – Godfather


    I am sad to inform you that there are far too many places in Malaysia where this happens, as evidenced by previous election results.

    Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters – to boot out BN – is the election results. Everything else – including what we say here – simply doesn’t matter. One can argue that this sets the platform for subsequent GE, but Rakyat’s memories are fairly short, and election intervals too long that in another 5 years time, it will be “majority forgotten”, and (a lower quality of) life moves on … sadly …

    Old observer.

  57. #58 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 12:06 am

    Da man has lost his marbles man. Not sure if he’s “in control” of his senses.

    When you say so many stupid things, make untrue and misleading statements, you soon lose track of reality and start to imagine things and behave irrationally. In short, you become a bit “off” your rocker, you definitely become “half-past-six or seven” and a confirmed buffoon. You think you are always right, you have chips on your shoulders and you want to challenge the whole world.

    A mental case, definitely.

  58. #59 by nonmuslimbumi on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 12:08 am

    Barsian National will not be able to pull wool over Malaysians in this scandal, not again. The Judicary is the people’s last hope to stop the rot that is besetting us. Nazri and the BN machinery will not be able to sweep this controversy under the proverbial carpet. The world is watching and if the BN chooses that route it will bury itself in the filth it has concealed. The Bar Council, and people of Malaysia will stand up against this undercurrent of BN sponsored and BN partnered corruption.

  59. #60 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 12:11 am

    Aaaah. Another day has begun.

    What new stupidity will this day see?

  60. #61 by ccjett on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 1:58 am

    BBC: Malaysia witness offered surgery!! LMAO

    Shame or not? I am!!

  61. #62 by lupus on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 5:12 am

    witness protection Malaysia style –
    1xC4 brick + quiet area far far away from general population + 2xspecial protection agent from the VVIP protection department.

    It does fit the promise, after all, Nazri can claim that the person has disappear and is safe…how would we all know ? Better to come public, post it on the internet overseas or even better, give it to oversea media. Afterall, this is govt. corruption (or gangster in power).

  62. #63 by Godfather on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 5:35 am


    What good does it do to celebrate Nazri’s gaffe amongst those of us who already know what an idiot and a bigot the guy is ? I am lamenting the fact that the mainstream press doesn’t see it fit to question the minister on his mistatement. The main reason why these people are so arrogant and are so blatant with their lies is that they control the mainstream press. They can look you in the eye and say “so what?”.

    Remember that Badawi introduced KPI for GLCs and for cabinet ministers ? The Sleepy Head has forgotten about it, and the ministers all know it – so they say whatever they want and they do whatever they want irregardless of the truth or accuracy of the their statements.

    Focus on the Royal Commission.

  63. #64 by lakshy on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 6:08 am

    “Tell me the truth”……when PM says this and he is handed a memorandum after the walk for justice asking for a Royal Commission, he does not do so. So what does he want to tell him? Lies? Sweet Nothings? That he can hear from his cabinet and wife.

    Why is there a need for the person who video-taped the phone conversation? Get going and investigate the case based on what evidence is already present to avoid crucial bits of evidence being destroyed.

    Justice delayed is justice denied too!

  64. #65 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 6:40 am

    Nazri’s pussy is out of the bag?? Didn’t know he had one.

  65. #66 by johneye on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 6:59 am

    There’s the audio and video, clearly showing what’s happening. What the heck do you still need a source? Man, what the hell is happening to Malaysia?

    If you remain silent, perfectly silent, I assure you’ll hear the whole world laughing at us.

  66. #67 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 7:03 am

    “Focus on the Royal Commission” – Godfather.

    Although what Undergrad2 says is true – that the main issue is judicial rot of which, according to him, the “bloke” has so far been competent to distract the public from by his incompetence – don’t forget that: –

    1. the way to address judicial rot is 2 steps, first and most important is to ensure that the video clip proves and is acceptable as irrefutable evidence of the rot, which upon such proof being accepted, will, in turn, pave the way to justify the establishment of Judicial Commission for appointment of judges in the near future;

    2. the Minister of Law, with his legal credentials, is specifically put there by powers to be (bent on preserving the rot) as a guard dog to use whatever means necessary to prevent the first step being taken and second step stated above to follow –

    which suggest, to me at least, that the man and the bigger issue are inextricably tied up as one integral rather than two separate and distinct problems, and that one can never make meaningful progress to the real issue of the judicial rot if the necessary has not been done to neutralize and discredit the obstacle of the guard dog positioned at the front gate barring entry.

  67. #68 by observer on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 7:44 am

    This is democracy at its lowest point. every four or five years, the majority of the voters log in to this BN and you got these zoological animal becoming our ministers.They will happily squeezed the rakyat money and live happily after.. with this happening in our bolehland, one wonder there is justice ?

  68. #69 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 8:16 am

    “..//…I am lamenting the fact that the mainstream press doesn’t see it fit to question the minister on his misstatement. The main reason why these people are so arrogant and are so blatant with their lies is that they control the mainstream press. They can look you in the eye and say “so what?”..//..” – Godfather.

    Now we too can equally say “so what?” to mainstream press. We all know its role. It is not a new revelation. Can one blame the editors when the papers themselves are either owned directly or indirectly by ruling parties and their friends, manacled as they are, by 1984 Printing Presses and Publications Act requiring annual renewal of licence?

    Predictably NST which carried in front page Nazri’s non existent Witness Protection Bill yesterday is resoundingly silent today.

    The Sun carries a very small column on page 4 under caption/byline “ What I meant : Nazri”. (What he meant was “the govt is looking to enact a law to protect whistleblowers, there is a need for such an Act” (that the Star on its page N6 added) in “the stage of drafting” which is immediately somewhat at odds with what was reportedly said next that when he spoke to reporters on Sunday “he was referring to all available Acts in the country that offered some protection to witnesses like the Anti-Corruption Act, Criminal Procedure Code, Evidence of Child Witness Act and Anti Trafficking in Persons Act”, (The Star used the words “other mechanisms”) which he had asked his press secretary to request the press to make clarification, though it was not done).

    Come on, we all know that all available Acts in the country have nothing to do with plastic surgery and new identity and that if they were good enough to protect whistleblower, there would not be a need for a Witness Protection Act lobbied for by Civil Society.

    The reportage in The Star today is even better – it reported that Nazri would push for the Witness Protection Act. He said he planned to raise the matter with the cabinet meeting tomorrow. He said he was in favour of govt giving assurance of protection to whistleblower relating to video clip.

    There are three immediate positive outcomes for Civil Society in the widespread exposing of his gaffe are:

    1. the red herring of his challenge to Anwar/PKR to bring out the Whistleblower now or else they are lying has been exposed, brushed aside and discredited;

    2. the necessity for a Witness Protection Act that Civil Society has been lobbying for some time has suddenly been acknowledged and a public commitment made that it is on the way…

    3. the overzealousness of his misstatement “misleading the public” to deflect the cry for the Royal Commission in fact weakens the government’s objection to and works the reverse to underline the need more than ever for the Royal Commission.

  69. #70 by assamlaksa on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 8:19 am

    There is no Witness / Whistleblower Protection Act? Never mind, Nazri is the Law of Bolehland.

  70. #71 by taikohtai on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 8:21 am

    Much as I would like to be proven wrong, wrong and wrong, it’s looking like the Sultans are impotent. The Lingamgate has dragged on a while now and more sh*t has spewed from BN and frontman Nazri. Now the rakyat is feeling even more powerless although great manipulation of the system goes on right in their very eyes.
    Ampun Tuanku but if the rights of the rakyat is being eroded daily, the Emperor (read Agong) wears no clothes.

  71. #72 by bystander on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 8:45 am

    The sultans got to look after their nasi bowls as well la. Therefore they got to play balls with the politicians. Assumption that the sultans are heroes and knights coming to the rescue of the citizenry is a myth. On the contrary, they can be pretty timid and prefer to maintain status quo.

  72. #73 by Jimm on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 9:37 am

    Have we ever wonder that one day NA will become the next PM replacing AAB instead of NTR ?
    With so many plots and internal power struggling in UMNO, NA are given a upper hand to ‘seasoned’ himself with higher level of stresses and public addresses. So far, only the two “N”s are equally profound with their proud public addresses each day. AAB have been given a rest from all these due to the advantages he have in controlling the pack.
    We all knew that NTR have lose out all because of his own ‘shortsighted’ and greed doings and far more, he is never a born leader as what his father have preferred. He is such a loser in the political world and was given a lifeline because of his father influences that still can hold certain unity among the pack. In general, he have nothing to offer to this country from his owm pockets.
    As for NA, coming from behind and having to worked hard with PMs in their plans, this guy is such a multitasking and thick skin to handle public objections. Moreover, he have gained a big grassroot supports during his years of service the previous PM and now the current PM trusted this guy more. This leads to the fact that PM will consider putting NA as his replacement to ease off public concern over his families activities.
    As for NTR, he knew of these threat from NA, however, he are far from defending his rights to become the next PM due to his activities and life style.

  73. #74 by Jong on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 9:54 am

    ” 2. the Minister of Law, with his legal credentials, is specifically put there by powers to be (bent on preserving the rot) as a guard dog to use whatever means necessary to prevent …. ” – Jeffrey

    yeah, rottweiler NA down with rabies!

  74. #75 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 10:03 am

    theStar (9.10.07): Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz will push for the Witness Protection Bill to be tabled in Parliament as soon as possible and for it to be made retrospective.

    This ‘bohong, bohong, bohong’ creature is truly ‘bodoh, bodoh, bodoh’. He is also dangerous in that he will shoot first and then amend the laws to suit his purpose.


  75. #76 by RealWorld on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 11:01 am

    “The main reason why these people are so arrogant and are so blatant with their lies is that they control the mainstream press. They can look you in the eye and say “so what?”. ” – Godfather

    Godfather, my buddy, you sound like you are mad or something.
    Dude, take a chill pill, man.

  76. #77 by Godfather on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 12:36 pm

    Take a reality pill, dude. I’m not mad, just very sad. Sad that a government with a 91 pct mandate chooses to do wrong instead of good. Sad that the vast majority of UMNOputras still cannot differentiate between right and wrong, between truth and hypocrisy.

    Sad that the Chinese and the Indians still think that there is a future within the ruling coalition, and still seek to compromise despite having their rights eroded from 1957.

    Sad that the public does not see that the systemic rot within our protective institutions – the Judiciary, the ACA, the AG’s Chambers – mean that justice can be bought, and that in the future justice is only for the rich.

    RealWorld, I sincerely hope that the day will never come where you or your relatives have to fight for your rights against an even-better-connected UMNOputra. I sincerely hope that you or your relatives never have to test the theory of whether “right is might” or whether “wealth is right”.

  77. #78 by rokian on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 1:06 pm

    The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can be shot down
    by the smallest men and women with the smallest minds.
    Think big anyway.

    People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs.
    Fight for a few underdogs anyway.

    People really need help but may attack you if you do help them.
    Help people anyway.

    Give the world the best you have and you’ll get kicked in the teeth.
    Give the world the best you have anyway.

  78. #79 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 1:30 pm

    I simply cannot suffer fools for Ministers; Nazri is first on the list. All the other BN Ministers come close behind.

  79. #80 by Godfather on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 - 2:28 pm

    Society is finished if Justice is available for sale or is only restricted to the well-connected and the wealthy. Once the poor and unconnected cannot get justice, then we are doomed, and will forever be in the same category as Philippines, Ghana, Zimbabwe…

    I don’t think that people like Nazri is unaware of this danger to future generations, but I guess short-term gains override everything for UMNO.

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