Update:
- Malaysiakini — Blog tries to pin graft claims on exco.
- Malaysian Insider — Bizarre twist to Teoh case
Proof of a “black blog” operation to defame TBH and 2 DAP Selangor excos. Check: http://tr.im/tPCn
Friday, July 24, 2009 19:01
Leave 4JB 4TBH Memorial 2nite@ Markaz PAS Taman U,JB Add speakers Hanifah Gobind Dzulkefly Boo.Grief anger must become People Power 4change
Friday, July 24, 2009 15:45
Ronnie Liu 2hold media conference 2debunk “blackblog” defaming TBHn 2Excos purportedly on “DAP corruption modus operandi in Selangor”
Friday, July 24, 2009 15:35
Checking on a blog (t4tbh.blogspot.com) which has made serious allegations agnst 2 DAP State Excos purportedly abt “DAP corruption modus operandi” in Selangor
Friday, July 24, 2009 14:13
Check twitter.com/limkitsiang for up-to-the-minute updates
#1 by limkamput on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 7:32 am
//“The real test of strength and maturity is staying on course with fully focused with your objectives despite all the distractions whether real or deliberately conjured up to distract you from your objectives.” – very well put! ICHIBAN!!!//
You mean fully focused on your hidden agenda to discredit PR even though there are distractions from me? I can’t agree with you more.
#2 by limkamput on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 7:37 am
//I forgot … we do have some nuts here! Hahahahaaa …//
Yes some nuts – the odd nut is none other than SpeakUp@Loose cannon ball 1 (remember you got promoted from Loose cannon 2).
#3 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 7:42 am
///… probably paid bloggers intending to finish off PR when they see that the chips are down./// – Lim Kam Put
Lim Kam Put of course knows who are paid bloggers here (paid by UMNO/MCA) because his suspicions are always correct and maybe he even has copies of their payslips from BN masters. He got the copies from the paymasters themselves.
Soon these will be posted just like the alleged documents containing 83 projects (item 89 to 172) in Sg Pelek constituency given to one Wong Chuan Chow which “Black Blogger” promised he would post in due course.
#4 by yhsiew on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 7:48 am
The ‘black blog’ is another BN ploy attempting to bring down PR.
#5 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 8:30 am
What the divided country faces is large section of people having lost faith in the system and the institutions (whether courts, police, MACC, Mainstream Media) traditionally charged with investigations and determination of facts and truths. Many believe that these institutions are more interested to preserve the ruling government. there is no more impartiality.
This being the case where else can people go to look for facts and the truth?
Why the Internet of course! Tis an interesting medium!
One can say all lies or a blend of truth mixed with lies. One can (like RPK says) this is what I hear from so and so (hearsay), you believe it or not – up to you. Even hearsay can say the truth, no matter it does not meet the legal standard.
Now one can be like black blogger purporting to detail corrupt transactions of DAP councillors behind a veil of anonymity..
Or as Lim Kam Put, ascribe how certain commentators and visitors here are being “paid” by BN masters “to finish off PR”.
The BN has and will resort to police and courts to deal with PR.
The problem however is that electors/voters (esp the young who will make up more of the voters for next GE) would not believe in these traditional institutions, perceived “controlled”, anymore, preferring to turn to Internet.
It then becomes necessary for BN to find ways to answer (apple for apple, orange for orange) the challenge of the Opposition, NGOs and others arrayed against it in this medium (Internet).
The propaganda war shifts to overdrive to this medium. Pro BN web sites, blog sites (whether described white or black), cyber troopers against the anti govt, pro-opposition web sites or blog sites or what claims to be neutral/fair websites. So that there are “two” sides of the story. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
This is what happens when people loose faith in the system. There will be no independent benchmark with which one can anchor one’s faith on what purports to be the truth/facts.
It becomes free for all, it becomes we believe in what we like or choose to believe that we read on the Internet….we can also post and write whatever we like in this medium; we can call others “corrupt” as the black blogger does or “paid blogger” “monkeys”, “phang tang sai” “stupid” as the other does here – semua pun ok, its free for all, freedom of speech or freedom to malign, who cares good times are back again.
#6 by frankyapp on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 9:24 am
Jeffrey,it’s a pity that you have surrendered your self to the devil when you said”apple for apple,orange for orange ” and “semua pun ok”.I think an intelligent person would not accept anything as correct or the truth based on posting in any blogs or in any medias as well.Anything said without sufficient proof or concrete proof is not good and should not be acceptable.Intelligent people or noble people would not seek an eye for an eye but would find solution to problem or worst of all a compromise. Sure we value freedom of speech but it must come with responsiblity.If people used freedom to malign,one must be able to restrain the devil’s temptation and not seek revenge. Remember “faint heart never win fair lady”. Also remember there’s always some one who cares.Need not I have to remind you of the good samaritan.Evil people do evil thing,need we must follow them ? I think,good people,no matter what,will continue to do good not just for themselves but for others as well.Hence I think joining others to seek revenge is pure stupidity.
#7 by limkamput on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 10:28 am
Jeffrey, if you can’t take the heat, don’t go to the kitchen. Who is talking about free for all? You know what, if I read your post in totality, you are again trying to subtlety say that all internet sites are not reliable and we have to ultimately rely on official institutions as the final arbiter to dispense justice. Some may be idiots, but not all are. Have we not waited in vain for the authorities to do the proper and right things? Are we generally satisfied with our expectation?
When we read what were posted in the internet, we have discernment to know when there was truth and when it was out right propaganda and spin.
In any case, are we seeking for the ultimate truth here – the utopia society? Definitely not. We are merely seeking who is the lesser evil and move on from there. Given the state we are in now, any incremental improvement is a bonus.
#8 by YK Leong on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 10:28 am
Some of the transactions took place before Pakatan came into power in Selangor or before 8 March 2008. On one page with the Bil. 01 to 10, the transactions are RM67,600.00. Bil. 11 to 77 are missing. Suddenly, we come to a page with Bil. 78 to 88, the transactions are dated 28 February 2008 to 5 March 2008 amounting to RM24,900.00. Bil. 89 on the same page is dated 4 July 2008.
The BeEnd government was so generous to give money to Ronnie Liu before the TSUNAMI 308 election for development.
“Black blogger” are you an evil spirit? You cannot even show decent respect to the dead. Are you so heartless even going to an extend to despise a departed soul?
#9 by boh-liao on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 10:31 am
Of course, with the Internet, we can all travel many different paths
Many journeys
Some journeys condemn BN, other PR
As the buxom heavy cleavaged lady (right advert) seductively entice us
“Start your journey now, my Lord”
#10 by boh-liao on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 10:42 am
There are different layers on that black blog
Perhaps the black blog really meant to expose corruptions during BN’s rule
Remember, just before 308, Selangor BN state assemblymen emptied their huge annual buy-goodwill allocations in two months
Just replace the names of TBH and the 2 DAP Selangor excos with names of BN people serving Selangor during Jan n Feb 08
The exposure will become believeable
Will the real Wong Chuan Chow stand up to be counted
#11 by boh-liao on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 11:00 am
English nursery rhyme ‘Who killed Cock Robin’
Who killed Cock Robin?
Not I, said MACC.
Who saw him die?
Not I, said MACC.
Who discovered his body?
I, said MACC.
Who’ll be chief mourner?
I, said the Dove,
I mourn for my love,
I’ll be chief mourner.
Who’ll toll the bell?
I said the bull,
because I can pull,
I’ll toll the bell.
All the birds of the air
fell a-sighing and a-sobbing,
when they heard the bell toll
for poor Cock Robin.
#12 by taiking on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 11:28 am
Umno’s stand has always been this: Anything coming from dap or pakatan is either not true or a lie. Of course umno is too detached from reality to make such judgments correctly or reliably. When we compained about safety in our homes and on our streets, they disbelieved us thinking that the issue is a mere exaggeration or a spin by the opposition. They even have the audacity to brush it off with stupid and arrogant replies like “we are safer than singapore” and “at least we dont have bomb blasts on our streets”. When chinese in the country show their unhappiness with the way umno runs the country again they did nothing positive to correct the situation. I pick these two issues for a reason. There are many others actually. And the reason is because for these two particular issues, we have some statistics by umno themselves to tell the grave truth about our complaints. Safety: 97% thumbed down. Should MCA leave BN: 70+% thumbed up.
Why am I raising these issues? Its about beng hock. Again here umno obviously does not appreciate the depth and seriousness of the problem and obviously misjudged the concern of voters over his mysterious death. The stupid blackblog is evidence of an effort to belittle the nation and the feelings of her people. This is big time. This is playing with big fire by umno. Umno firmly believes that it will not get burned. That is of course true. Burned? No. But roasted? Certainly.
#13 by taiking on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 11:45 am
I saw an unclear scan of a long list (going into several pages) of what are allegedly payments made by someone to someone. It was I presume supposed to be a complete list of such payments. Now who would compile those payments into a list? DAP? Come on. The compiler must be someone from outside DAP. In which case one need to ask: how reliable is that list? This of course depends on the sources from which the list is drawn up. He would not show his sources (which of course I believe he has none). Therefore as the list stands it devoid of meaning insofar as its contents are concerned. The reason for posting such a meaningless list must then be to cast a negative innuendo upon DAP.
Smart counter move? No. Actually very stupid. Another own-goal scored by umno. Let us watch this issue grow into a full blown offshoot from the main beng hock issue. Only then umno will see that ball in their own net. And as always, that will be too late for them to reverse things.
#14 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 11:51 am
/// When we read what were posted in the internet, we have discernment to know when there was truth and when it was out right propaganda and spin….In any case, are we seeking for the ultimate truth here – the utopia society? Definitely not. We are merely seeking who is the lesser evil and move on from there. Given the state we are in now, any incremental improvement is a bonus/// – LimKamPut.
Ah this part of your civilised expression of opinion, I have no quarrel with either content or form ….
Now a bit more on “free for all” which seems to be misconstrued by you & FrankYapp.
“Free for all” is description of state of affairs as it is now in following senses:
1. BN knows that its detractors and sizeable portion of electorate (“Opposition supporters”) have moved against them having lost faith in legitimacy of all existing institutions whether police, anti corruption agencies, courts and media (traditional institutions used to prop up, support and legitimize their rule). I call this a systemic breakdown.
2. People and Opposition supporters will then, in a systemic breakdown, rely in Internet medium, whether on line bulletin websites or blog sites for information.
3. Therefore the battle ground to win back support is in this medium (Internet);
4. Now that (especially) MACC investigations on DAP councillors are discredited by Teoh’s mysterious death, the sudden emergence of black blog and its contents are an exanple of how this battle is fought and counterwaged by it via this medium.
5. While I am not an advocate of “free for all” in the sense of urging people to read without sifting chaff from wheat and testing internal consistencies of what’s posted, the fact remains the Internet allows much leeway for either side [whether (say) BN black blog or RPK's MalaysiaToday)] against the other to post allegations against the other without conforming to the traditional standards of proof as required by (say) courts, especially where the need even by the ruling elite for the courts to legitimize their truth of allegations against the other side is of no more persuasive force when large sections of people distrust the courts since 1988 judiciary crisis, the Lingam video clip and spate of pro govt decisions in wake of Perak State Govt power grab.
6. The upshot of 5 above against backfrop of systemic breakdown is to usher in a state of affairs of “free for all” in the Internet where the battle ground for the hearts and minds of voters is fought where allegations are made by one side against the other without much care for standards of proof or verification or consistency, and that in spite of such methods, the propaganda advantages for persuasion are there to reap by reasons of majority, moved by human bias, likely to be not discerning regarding what to believe or what to ignore and be skeptical. (Per remark “some may be idiots, but not all are” may be true but what is the proportion of gullible against those not within the vote bank?)
7. In the sense stated above, the battle ground through medium of Internet has become “free for all”. I am just describing what the state of affairs/field of contention has become as distinct from saying that that is advocated as a desirable state to determine the political future of the country.
#15 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 11:58 am
“against ‘backDrop’ of systemic breakdown” in 6.
#16 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 12:00 pm
///You know what, if I read your post in totality, you are again trying to subtlety say that all internet sites are not reliable and we have to ultimately rely on official institutions as the final arbiter to dispense justice/// – Lim Kam Put
My response : a total misreading! No where in my posting suggests this.
#17 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 12:38 pm
//Remember “faint heart never wins fair lady”. Yes there’s a moral lesson here – strong heart wins and thereafter regrets and repents in leisure! :)
#18 by frankyapp on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 12:54 pm
Jeffrey,I appreciated your long and winding explanation but you have ignored “semua pun ok”.So killing and murdering innocent people”pun ok”. Is that what you mean ?
#19 by Yee Siew Wah on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 12:57 pm
Another of BN ploy to confuse and divert attention of the rakyat. This black blog reporting is all bullshit. Those behind this blog must have hidden agenda. The rakyat will never ever believe what this blog write.
WE support PKR 101% to pursue all the current evils deeds e.g Teoh’s murder(not dead); PKFZ, KT Toyoland… etc….by the ruling party politicians particularly ex-politicians till everyone is brought to justice.
Long live PKR!!!
#20 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 3:32 pm
frankyapp, it should be obvious that “semua pun ok” is our colloquial expression and equivalent to “free for all” in context above explained.
#21 by SpeakUp on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 4:00 pm
I wonder if those who love to name call and insult within this blog will have the guts to go to Kg Buah Pala on 3rd August and stand with the residents?
An interesting stand off may be taking place there and I will be there. I think some here will not have the guts as they only dare to talk from the comfort of their sofas.
We have too many who talk with coffee shop reasoning in here, can’t imagine how they are given the right to vote. Lucky, in Malaysia we have literally done away with jury trials (except for murder cases), if not then God help us.
#22 by limkamput on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 5:22 pm
//Lucky, in Malaysia we have literally done away with jury trials (except for murder cases), if not then God help us.//
See, a loose cannon is what a loose cannon does = tembak here and there. Look, you can’t even get one thing right and how would others believe you.
What Kg Buah Pala, ask Hindraf to solve it lah, they have a new godfather, don’t they?
#23 by limkamput on Saturday, 25 July 2009 - 5:28 pm
//We have too many who talk with coffee shop reasoning in here, can’t imagine how they are given the right to vote. //
Hmmm, who really, let me see, is it the loud mouth loose cannon? I guess it right, am i not?
#24 by Jaswant on Sunday, 26 July 2009 - 3:04 am
Is limkamput Chinese?