I am shocked and hurt by DAP National Chairman Sdr. Karpal Singh’s statement yesterday.
Malaysians are scandalized that instead of uniting Malaysians to face the worst global economic crisis for eighty years, the Prime Minister-in-waiting Datuk Seri Najib Razak had done the opposite – frittering away further public confidence in engendering greater national discord by engineering the Perak political crisis in the illegal and unconstitutional grab for power, resulting in the constitutional crisis of two Mentris Besar in Perak.
Perakians are outraged. Malaysians are outraged. The world looks on in disbelief at the political insensitivity and indifference of the Prime Minister-in-waiting on the imperative to restore public confidence at this critical stage of the nation by giving top priority to uniting Malaysians, by actively creating not only a Perak but national political crisis.
The national economic crisis and the latest political crisis caused by Najib’s coup de’tat must be the topmost concern for all Malaysians.
Let the DAP resolve any differences internally as they should not be allowed to deflect efforts to resolve both the grave economic and political crisis confronting Malaysians.
#1 by dmeo on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:39 am
Dear KennyGan,
Thank you for your criticism. Do your comments suggest that political leaders should conform to the ideologies or beliefs of different parties just for the sake of playing the political game?
The whole point of the PR is to provide Malaysians with a credible alternative. One in which the opinions of all parties within are clear (no matter how conflicting they may be) and one in which no component is greater that the other unlike how the MCA and MIC conform to UMNO.
The DAP has had long term objectives and principles and if someone comes along a challenges those principles i do not expect that party (and i refer to all political parties) to give up what they represent just because it may seem like an easy winning oppurtunity. Whats the point (it seems only go in the direction of turning PR into a new BN)
As for the comments from the BN , it would have happened regardless of if he had or had not made those statements.Thats what politicians do to their opponents. The only difference is the PR is different in the sense that all parties are free to voice what they have to say as opposed to the BN where it seems that one party makes the rules and the others follow (even thou they claim to truly represent the different views of cultures and ethnicities of this country)
#2 by Onlooker Politics on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 2:14 am
Mr Lim Guan Eng,
You are an accounting trained professional. Will you please provide us the answers to the following questions:
1) You have allowed Perak DAP to run on their own without your intervention. This is good in the sense that you have given Perak DAP the so-called “Divisional Autonomy”. However, where is your system of “Performance Evaluation” which is required for use as a measurement on how well your fellowmen has fared in Perak political battlefield?
2) Does your system of “Performance Evaluation” tell you which person shall be held responsible for the current defeat of Pakatan Rakyat in Perak?
3) Who do you think shall take the responsibility for the defeat if the person is not Anwar?
4) After the defeat in Perak, did you really do the stock-taking and attempt to find out where and what had really gone wrong with Pakatan Rakyat?
5) You have been trying to put emphasis on the equal partnership among DAP, PKR and PAS in order to explain off the massive ideological differences among all these three component parties. However, did you manage to list out all the common goals all these three component parties were shared commonly among one another?
6) What are your COMMON GOALS? Do they include such benefit as providing material betterment to all your State Assembly Representatives and Members of Parliament?
7) What plans did you have in the past and what recommendations will you make now for purpose of achieving a much better GOAL CONGRUENCE among all the three component parties? And among all DAP’s party members?
8) Are you going to launch a membership recruitment campaign in order to enhance DAP’s strategic deployment in the resourceful new frontier of Sarawak?
9) Since you have already had a grab of two thirds majority of the State Assembly seats in Penang under the ticket of Pakatan Rakyat, what consitutional amendment have you proposed insofar for purpose of strengthening Pakatan Rakyat’s reign in Penang State Government?
10) If you have found it very difficult to ask for development funds to be disbursed by the Ministry of Finance in order for you to finance the infrastructure projects in Penang, have you really focused on the possibilities of creating additional sources of income to your state government?
11) You have plenty of state rights in relation to lands. What master plan have you formulated to the public in order to encourage the landowners to make fuller utilization of their lands in Penang for wealth creation?
12) Since industrial lands, commercial lands and residential housing lands will all contract higher land leasehold premium and higher quit rent than the agricultural lands, have you attempted to speed up the process of land title conversion and land delineation in Penang so far?
13) If you have not tried hard enough to find the money for development within your own scope of administrative powers, why do you want to waste time arguing with the Federal Government on the withholding of the Penang’s share of development funds by the Federal Government?
What is the point of attempting to ask a tiger to skin itself off in order to clothe you?
14) As the Chief Minister, you do have some says in giving away the HALAL license to the food catering and food manufacturing industry, do you have plan to develop Penang into a regional hub of HALAL food production for international trade by incorporating some HACCP concept into Penang’s HALAL food production?
15) Last but not least, do you want to propose a plan which is quite similar to the employee stock option to all Pakatan Rakyat State Assembly Representatives and Members of Parliament in order to peg their monetary reward to the length of their service in the legislatures under the ticket of Pakatan Rakyat? If no, do you have other better plan in order to retain your legislature seat holders?
It seems that to administer the state government like administering a business enterprise is the only viable way for you to ensure the long term survival of Pakatan Rakyat which faces strong competition from Barisan Nasional. I have yet to see that you can really manage the state government like managing a business conglomerate. Beside cost-cutting measure, sometimes you are also required to give reward in consummation to the performance and loyalty of the key staff in the organisation!
I sincerely hope that you will manage to rule the Penang State Government for the next 8 or 9 years. Please get Karpal to help you to prepare some work for proposed constitutional amendment. You can only keep his mouth shut by way of keeping him busy most of the times!
#3 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 6:09 am
Filing a suit against the Sultan is not a smart thing to do. First it’ll be struck off. Secondly, it will open the floodgates to endless litigation – some frivolous. The end result? The end result would be to divide Malaysians into two camps. Constitutionalists and non-Constitutionalists, and Royalists and non-Royalists and when such division also falls along racial lines it will negate the progress so far made in race relations.
Further what is there to stop the Constitution from being amended?
It is a road we must never travel.
#4 by just a moment on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 6:28 am
There are always time and places for all things. Why now honourable Kapal? Whats the take here? Integrity?Morality? C’mon, we been thru this upteen times. I understand some can talk to animals and plants, but we dealing with less formed stuff here!!
I have the highest respect for Kapal. He’s the best – hands down, ever in Malaysia there is. For a “lawyer!!” that speak volumes already.
But now, we are talking more than just politics, right? Its darn frustration trying to distinguish between What’s nice and What’s right – Right in the sense of operation and procedures and may not be the ultimate Goals, you know?
First thing first, get in the Ring first, before any competition can begin. At the rate this crazy issue of arguing the right size of the Ring and what nonsense padding needed before the fight can begin, is hellaof wasting time. The crowd can wait no more, you dig? Situation and circumstances just do not permit at this moment, period.
Yes, we should not rush into compromising integrity or morality, besides, these thing may take generations to changed, everyone knows it but for heaven sake (Lawyer’s job) get yourself a “case” first before arguing in the court?
By the way, its not free, like charity work-you understand this. Many citizen are paying the price right now – not what you think and say, its what the other party is doing. So, just don’t make it easier for them? for now?
Thank you.
#5 by just a moment on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 6:34 am
One more thing, can you name one more, just one more person to represent change in this Government? We do not have much opportunity left. YB Lim and Kapal alone is not enough. We have to work together with DSAI. The war is out there!!, not here!!
#6 by just a moment on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 6:48 am
O dear, sorry, one last: basic question Mr kapal, which camp are you in? BN or Opposition? I also almost forgot, I hope you don’t. Just start from here, it’ll all be fine?
#7 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 7:25 am
When Karpal spoke against Hudud and Anwar’s canvassing of political defections many PR’s supporters and BN’s detractors would criticise, and some would condemn him of either speaking nonsense or otherwise inappropriately and out of line for not observing decorum of resolving issues within PR/DAP’s closed doors.
The main reason for this behaviour is because these critics have pinned all their hopes on PR as a vehicle to rid that which they viscerally hate – the BN – whose very existence they disapprove and whose prospect of continuance of rule after 50 years of depredations is a nightmare.
So PR and Anwar become an epitome of collective hopes through which many place hope and interest in their and the country’s salvation.
Having being elevated to such position PR and Anwar can do no wrong. Or even if they do, these are treated as minor infractions compared to the larger importance of their role : they certainly should not be criticised in the public discourse arena lest such criticisms would somewhat diminish their mystique and undermine the PR’s prospect and objective of displacing the Great Oppressor from power. That is the Great Objective, the preservation of the focus of which, is primary and overrides all objections and criticisms of Anwar/PR, no matter how valid or true are relegated to secondary position!
In such prevailing mindset, any idea or criticism of PR and its icon Anwar, no matter how well founded or valid, and no matter how sincerely articulated by even a stalwart of the DAP struggle like Karpal Singh and no matter how within closed doors, is not listened to, assumes a complexion of criminality and high treason to the extent that it undermines the Great Objective and may be exploited by the Great Oppressor to its benefit.
In contrast, Karpal and those like him characterised as loud mouths, are of a diametrically opposed mind set. They take a more sangfroid stance of speaking aloud what, in their take, is the truth or the principle (leaving aside whether that itself be true or otherwise). This category will put political expedience as secondary to the inexorable course of their reasoing and conclusions, which is primary.
The approaches taken by the first group (the Hope Preservers) and the second group (the Truth Seekers) would never converge, and the twain will never meet, the clash being also inevitable….
To Truth Seekers, the Truth must be said regardless of the outcome because truth is truth, and being so, it is immutable and if it is denied now it will haunt and return with vengence to punish its deniers. In contrast, the Hope Preservers place greater priority to hope than the unvarnished truth because to them what good is the cold truth if it brings no emotional solace and often inflicts pain.
In the clash they will seek to silence, if not discredit or vilify whatever the other category says – not recognising the irony that this is precisely the kind of dictatorial methods that those they hate and detest deploy to protect the vital interest and sanctity of their coalition and how such methods prioritising expedience over principle or the truth have always shown to slid down the slippery slope to corruption and abuse of power.
#8 by HJ Angus on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 7:28 am
Yes I agree that Pakatan should put its house in order if it really wants to win in the next general elections.
Although dirty tricks are being employed by both sides, most people expect the federal government of the day to hold a higher moral ground.
I believe that the next GE is now for the Pakatan to lose by their own silly antics. Whether or not Anwar leads the nation in future, PR needs to build up a good team with cohesive leadership and strong integrity.
Party-hopping is banned in many nations like India as it surely is a major cause of money politics and everyone loses in the process especially the voters and the stability of government.
I suggest that party-hopping can be allowed but the seat must be vacated.
The person who hops can recontest the same seat under a different party but with some conditions.
This returns the ultimate power back to the people.
http://malaysiawatch4.blogspot.com/2009/02/malaysiakini-and-putting-end-to-money.html
#9 by waterfrontcoolie on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 7:37 am
onlooker, beside land, States actually have not much power in creating ‘other projects’ especially those involving foreign investments. Moreover, those projects initiated by BN are all tied-up with little escape clauses unless Karpal has the time and the ability to untie them. Just look at the PLUS agreement, Sybas agreement!
It has been even suggested to the Selangor Gomen to by-pass those tolled roads, it appears that PR wouldn’t even comment on it. And based on its response, I believe it is no go.
Of course, LGE can seek Federal’s aids, well they will with-hold them wherever possible. This is politics and we are certainly down the list of practising good democracy!
Karpal’s outburst will certainly cause plenty of fallouts! And BN is delighted!
#10 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 8:07 am
Following my preceding posting, I observe that in any Internet chat and news or blog groups, the Hope Seekers will employ the following psyops (psychological warfare operations) to suppress/discredit those whose comments, no matter how valid, are inconvenient or even deemed subversive to the Common Cause and Hope of ending the Great Oppressor’s tenure of hegemony:
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil – as regards the Opposition. This is necessary for “unity” of Opposition supporters.
2. Use Straw man tactic – selectively choose a weak element in the Truth Seeker’s argument, amplify disproportionately its weakness to discredit the general thrust of his position.
3. Side-track opponent with name calling and ridicule branding him repeatedly with unsavoury titles and names. This “attack the messenger ploy” will make others of like mind shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and hence dealing with real issues is avoided.
4. Hit and Run: make a brief attack, scamper off before a defence can be made or simply ignore any answer or defence.
5. Impute the other side has hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
6. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority (I know Anwar, I know Daim etc) and present your argument with enough particulars to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
7. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Example: “what you say is nonsense. You are illogical. Your facts are distorted – of course without showing how.
8. rabble rouse emotions and get support to chase the chief logician Lee Wang Yen away because his very presence & comments might expose all disinformation tactics…
Of course I could go and on, but this will suffice to highlight what lengths including psyops some people are prepared to go to stifle contrary/impartial views or even the truth to preserve their hopes and emotional balance…..
#11 by abdul on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 8:28 am
BN has been acting undemocratically and trying very hard to get back their places even to the extent of committing crimes..They bribed some idiots and traitor of perak and now using gangsterism to get Kedah’s reps.Arumugam..This is their true identity..for those who still believe that BN is for everyone, yes its right, its for all corrupted, criminals, gangsters , racist, and power greedy…BN would never bring unity to our country…We have been witnessing that for years, how they are screwing too many…Pls say no to BN otherwise we have to lose our dignity..BN will screw our futute..Pls vote PR for unity and good future…Hidup Pakatan Rakyat…
#12 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 8:35 am
What concern me even more is the fact, this whole thing is being played out in the press and blogosphere. How can senior leaders of DAP be so uncommunicative? Can’t you, LGE, Anwar and Karpal conference call on your cell phone and settle such ideals vs practicalities issue?
On the old days of Alliance, Tan Siew Sin, Tunku and Sambanathan could just go for golf, cocktails or a round of pokers and these issues of ideals vs practicality would be done with. It seems to me that the more we progress the worst off relationships are.
Whay can’t you just go to Karpal and ask him 1) If you want to replace Anwar, who? 2) If you did not want to agree to hopping suggested by PKR, what do you suggest to them to keep momentum going?
Doing all these in public says a lot for the emotional infantilism of old men and women in DAP.
#13 by singma on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 9:24 am
RPK’s turn now to ask Anwar, Kit Siang and Hadi to resign.
Seriously need to do internal soul searching!!!!!
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/2/10/nation/3231343&sec=nation
Tuesday February 10, 2009
RPK: Anwar, Kit Siang and Hadi should quit
PORT KLANG: Blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin has called for the resignations of three senior Opposition leaders for the loss of the Perak Pakatan Rakyat government to Barisan Nasional.
Pakatan de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang and PAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang should resign and accept collective responsibility for the loss, he said at a Chap Goh Mei celebration at the Kuan Soon temple grounds in Pandamaran here.
When asked whether it was a leadership crisis, he said it was just bad leadership, with bad decisions and the three senior politicians were out of touch with the people on the ground.
“It is time for them to stop the blame game. Move aside and give the position to the younger generation that are more able.”
#14 by StevePCH on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 10:38 am
hmmm…..
ARREST WARRANT for Osman Jailu ….. kah kah kah ….
wa caya sama lu !!! also coincidently, both facing corruption charges are SICK ?
This drama is truly spinning out of tiltle …..
Conspiracy of the C4 Gang.
1) UTK used C4 to blow up Mongolian Lady
2) PI Bala disappear with 2 contradicting statuotory declaration
3) Baginda as expected, released
4) UMNO ADUN hop in
5) Archvillian come into picture again
6) 3 ADUN “disappear”
7) 4 ADUN hop over
8) Silver state turn into chaos
9) Kedah ADUN disappear , reappear , resign , disappear
10) Bkt Gantang MP passed away
11) 2 frog ADUN sick and could not attend court. arrest warrant issued for 1 .
wow. i cannot take it anymore. this drama is just too unreal. have to change director/archvillian.
#15 by lhslhv on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 10:50 am
The lost of Perak is not the end of PR.
As long as our Malaysian electorate is matured enough to differentiate what is right and what is wrong, there is alway hope to regain the control of Perak and even the Federal Government.
Malaysia is not like Zimbabwe. Malaysians’s educational level is much higher than Zimbabwe. Even though UMNO is playing foul, how long can they last if the rakyat is wise? We are a democratic country, the people is still the boss and not the other way round. Malaysian has grown up. A lot of the older hardcore supporter of UMNO will be gone by the 13th GE.
Don’t hope that UMNO can change. Statistically, the chance for a criminal to change to better is very slim in deed!
Just keep the spirit alive until the next GE whether we like it or not.
#16 by ablastine on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 10:57 am
Thank you Godfather for the summary on what Jeffrey has written so far. I never really got the time to read his lengthy discourse and half the time doesn’t know what he is talking about because of my low IQ and poor command of the English language. I suggest to Jeffrey that when he write next it would be great if he can give a summary at the end so that lesser mortals like myself can understand what he is writing.
#17 by Rocky on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 11:01 am
time to put aside differences and if any discuss internally. Anwar resign will not do anything and lets face it, we still need Anwar. we as the rakyat, not you DAP or PAS folks. Anwar’s leadership is accepted by many, not Karpal etc.
#18 by cintanegara on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 11:47 am
What a relief…….PR didn’t form the Government in the last GE…Malaysians finally witnessed that they couldn’t even solve their internal problem/differences….How are they going to serve efficiently as the Government?
However, it seems like that they have never realised this fact at all and blame others for their own incompetence!!!!!! Finally and most importantly the generous BN leaders are there to save the people from having to go through hardship…Moving forward, lets focus on Selangor and Kedah…..It is high time for BN to restore the glory
#19 by lcclck on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 11:59 am
dear YB,
I copied this report and I hope it made sense now.
Dear YB LKS, in this modern time, you have a mobile phone, you could also just drive over, fly over, jump over, and also just be kind to each other, and sort this mess out first, and be more mature than speaking something and give the media spaces to the major media houses which are owned by BN, and you will be subjecting to many half truth reportings, and messing around will not help. Open mouth with only what you said oculd be useful and helpful to your commrades, or else, best to speak nothing. I was taught to speak about others provided what I spoke about could be helpful to the people I mentioned in my ocntext, that made me a likeable person, and sensible, and I trust Karpal Singh had lack of such wisdom to speak loudly to the journalists, and still what he spoke about was really hurtful because he meant well for you too. I felt his sincerity to see an old friend like you to be int he traps of elusive pursuit of get the pwoer fast scheme promoted by DSAI, he could no longer hold his common senses and spoke so hurriedly, and it served no good for him and no good for you too. But please be calm, and write about this blog will not be helpful to sort things out too. Two of you add up the ages of you both is more than 100 years old!! Be calm, and be humble!! I pray for you both and pray in the name of Lord Jesus Christ that you both will be able to reconcile, and reconcile fast!! Malaysians LOVE you and please love each other truly– Love is patient, love is kind, and love is not keeping the records of your wrongs, ,,,,,,,,
Peter Leow copied this report for you to appreicate:-
“Karpal willing to talk
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GEORGE TOWN: DAP national chairman Karpal Singh said yesterday he stood by his call for Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim to step down as Pakatan Rakyat leader.
Karpal said he was unhappy with what went on in Perak, which resulted in the tripartite alliance losing power in the state.
“I must say the DAP stands to lose the most as we have the most state executive and municipal councillors in the state government.”
He said the PR leaders’ inconsistent stand on party-hopping had caused the disarray in Perak.
On Anwar’s suggestion for a meeting, Karpal said he was prepared to do so.
Asked about the Pakatan’s decision not to file a suit against the Sultan of Perak, Karpal said he would sort that out with Anwar as well.
Anwar on Sunday claimed that Karpal’s outburst was due to two issues — Karpal’s intention to sue the sultan and the decision by two Perak PKR state assemblymen to become independents.
Karpal had on Sunday also called on Anwar to repent as the former deputy prime minister had caused enough trouble for the country.
#20 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:13 pm
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Raja Petra Kamarudin – like Karpal – breaking positions openly and calling for the resignations of three senior Opposition leaders (Anwar, LKS, Hadi Wang) in acceptance of the loss of the Perak Pakatan Rakyat government to Barisan Nasional is major disconcerting development that latest hit Pakatan Rakyat.
#21 by monsterball on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:16 pm
Besides bribing and turn the result upside down…in favour of UMNO….otak tak centre seems to struck few who are shocked by the results.
It’s full moon today!!
First attack on Kapal Singh.
Now Raja Petra calling Anwar..LKS…and Hadi Awang.. to resign…make way for young ones!!!!
This is going to shock those three…especially Anwar and Lim Kit Siang further.
He who laugh first will laugh last…and UMNO is laughing…right now.
They will be crying soon.
I have full confidence Malaysian voters will deliver a clear majority for change of government.
#22 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:35 pm
monsterball:
The story on RPK was only reported in the Star, and we all know who is behind Wong Chun Wai. Let the show-off lawyer write about the doom and gloom on PR. We don’t have to boast about our English to readers here.
#23 by Thor on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:35 pm
Lakshy says:
Guys, dont be so hard on Hee. I am sure she was threatened. Hence her support for bn is definitely under duress.
Lakshy! it a very lame excuse you’ve got there about Hee.
If that Hee could be easily threatened, then all of the DAP members including Kit Siang and Karpal can be threaten.
It’s all playing in the mind of each individual.
She’s tempted by money but not threatened.
Use your common sense please!
#24 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:36 pm
DAP’s acquiescence with Anwar’s (1) accomodating PAS’s Hudud for Muslims only and (2) the canvassing of Kataks cross overs – which I have been accused by you, Godfather, of slamming Anwar all the time as indefensible in principle but which you, Godfather, have consistently tried to bury under the carpet in the interest of so-called PR’s unity is precisely the factor that will unravel the Opposition front when internal stalwart like Karpal now rebels and a Civil Society icon like RPK also takes the position he just did.
And it is only beginning after Perak’s fall to BN : what happens if Kedah falls next?
How long can one deny the truth that if you don’t adhere to timeless principles of what is right and wrong, ignore inconsistencies, and instead prioritise only expedience because of the overarching need to get rid of the Great Oppressor?
By so doing there is always a chance that support from those around (esp Civil Society) for PR will dissipate and PR won’t be able to even get near to the point of getting rid of BN, its first objective.
Today the concept of change means change from status quo of moral bankruptcy ascribed to BN which means the standard flag bearer fighting for change as alternative cannot forfeit its moral capital, standing and trade political expediency for principles of the what is true, right and consistent.
#25 by michael13 on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:43 pm
There is a saying: “Honesty is the best policy, but be tactful.” In this instance, as a good politician, Karpal needs to be more tactful in his recent statements for the best benefits for both his party and himself.
#26 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:51 pm
RPK is now in court: can’t check whether what Wong Chun Wah said was true. However Mainstream would (understandably) ordinarily skew, spin and give a nuance to what is said by the “other” side: but to fabricate something like this out of entirely nothing – that will be the first.
#27 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:53 pm
The mainstream press is trying to latch on to every little misstep by PR – and this is the precise reason why disputes within PR should only be discussed behind closed doors. Disputes there will be, but to air them publicly without prior consultation is simply an act of sabotage.
#28 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 12:55 pm
Discussing matters behind closed doors isn’t an affront to democracy or transparency. We have to understand the concept of “greater good”.
#29 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:26 pm
“And it is only beginning after Perak’s fall to BN : what happens if Kedah falls next?”
Simple. Let it fall. It will demonstrate money-buying on the part of BN – which we all know – but it also demonstrates the inability of PR to put up credible and principled candidates. The next time around, we hope that PR will learn its lesson. If it doesn’t learn a lesson from this, then the PR leadership is useless and needs to be changed. At the time of rough seas, you don’t throw your captain overboard, especially if there’s no substitute on the ship. Right the ship first. Maybe there are mutineers, but what’s left of us must row in the same direction.
#30 by Onlooker Politics on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:27 pm
Karpal is not wrong in asking for the accountability of the responsible leader. Accountability is the basic essence of the workability of an effective performance evalution system and is also a criterion for measurement against backdrop or improvement of leadership performance! Pakatan Rakyat needs to build up a basic accountability culture in the pursuit of meritocracy in organisational management!
#31 by Ling Mazen on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:28 pm
……simply an act of sabotage. Godfather.
I don’t think sabotage is the appropriate word to use, you are inadvertantly flaming LKS to confront Karpal negatively.
Cool it ,will you. You mean there wasn’t any discussions among them prior to Karpal’s outbursts?
I know you mean good,but sometimes choice of words would make the situation worse off.
Maybe Zaid Ibrahim joining one of the parties of the PR coaliation now would be timely and ideal.
#32 by grace on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:28 pm
I think we have to resoect Karpal wish. He has the right to speak his mind. As a mature and educated politicians, LKS and Karpal must make up to face the common enemies: BN
Whatever argument you may have, at the end of the day LKS and Karpal must be able to shake hands.
Show the BN that you all can tolerated dissenting arguments
#33 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:32 pm
“You mean there wasn’t any discussions among them prior to Karpal’s outbursts?” Ling
You mean Kit’s headline of this thread wasn’t truthful ?
#34 by Godfather on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 1:41 pm
Let’s concentrate on the by-elections in Perak and Kedah. Show them what PR is made of. Kit, are you starting a collection for PR or will you be directing contributions to PAS and PKR ?
#35 by lcclck on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 2:49 pm
cool it all sensible supporters of PR. Take accounts of what are voices from the Satans.
Listen carefully and as you were all trapped by the evil dviations, and disturbances, speak and write wisely.
Please have mercy for the leaders like LKS + KS, they had enough of noises, enough of stresses, and probably having FUNS too!!
Of course, as any good old friends, they would be able to sort things out, and those who could have wider shoulders, and bigger hearts, please may we forgive and foget those harsh remarks hurled at each otehrs, and be calm, and be cool, take a deep breath will you, YB LKS and KS, take up your mobile phone, send each other a nice text message:-
Dear Commrade, I seek your pardon and I remain to be your most trsuted friend and commrade till we are separated by the Almighty!!
I believe things could be better, and be clear and be really smart to avoid GET the power too fast!!
Dear YB LKS, really that is what KS is trying to caution you, steer clear from the danger, and just be your sensible self, and stay away from the perils of Big traps as in 1999!!
Watch out please!!!
#36 by shambles on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 5:07 pm
YB LKS, YB Karpal and YB LGE….lets all get along. Kiss and make up!!! Comon, the enemy is charging but we are still bickering amongst ourselves….STOP!!!
Chinese Proverb
“Take a small step back, the wind and sea will be calm”
Focus ahead..
#37 by vsp on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 10:17 pm
How come I don’t see any website of Karpal’s where he can disseminate his views and let readers to comment on it. LKS, Mahathir, Ku Li and many others have their own websites.
All I heard about Karpal’s stand on issues and principles are his tantrums which were always carried by the BN mass media. Come on, Karpal is an intelligent man and he can articulate his views through his own website or others like LKS, MT or Malaysiakini. But why he has to use the enemy’s mass media I simply do not understand? Is he afraid that he cannot defend his views through readers’ comments? Or is it the case of “I tell you, you accept it and don’t question me about it”? By relying on the BN mass media he doesn’t have to defend his views and stand. That I think is very coward of him. Why does he have to be so aloof and imperial and always remain in his ivory tower? Is he behaving like the royalty where only he can proclaim and others cannot comment?
LKS blog not only have friendly posting but also hostile ones. I remember that when the Sultan of Perak refused to accept the MB from the DAP but instead chose Nizar from PAS, LKS was very furious and ordered all DAP MPs to boycott the installation ceremony. Well many of us chastised him for the blunder and he listened. So finally there was a sliver lining in the cloud and surprisingly DAP and PAS was able to work together. But Karpal, the ever stubborn bull threatened to sue the Sultan and the outcome… I don’t know.
We only know that Karpal has two sacred cows: bashing the royalty and rubbishing PAS hudud. These two are are his overriding personal crusades and hell hath no fury like a bull scorned. He will get mad and charge like a raging bull into the china shop and smash everything into smithereens. Nothing can change him on these issues: no compromising even an inch.
If Karpal is the general fighting a war, it would be disastrous. Imagine his troops fighting to win and he countermand them to withdraw through the enemy’s mass media because it is felt that it is unethical to capture the enemy’s foothold. Not only was he not on the ground leading his troops but he gave orders through remote-control. Can any army win a war with such commander?
Come on Karpal, get off your high horse and come down to the ground. Open your own website and share your stand and views for commenting. We don’t need a god that is far removed from the ordinary people! Maybe the readers can help to mitigate your bull’s disease and make you into a more civilised and gentle tiger as what we did to LKS ten months ago.
#38 by suaramamak on Tuesday, 10 February 2009 - 11:37 pm
resolve internally??? what ever happen to your talks of transparencies??? its good karpal voice out to the public! do not be like bn, and hide behind your own curtain walls! just look at the comments all over this blog and anwar’s blog… the supporters are not happy and not satisfied with PR progress! how could you have lost your hold on the perak state! how to have confidence in you all?
#39 by vsp on Wednesday, 11 February 2009 - 12:15 am
its good karpal voice out to the public! – suaramamak
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Through the BN mass media so that he doesn’t need to be questioned on his stand? Why not on LKS blog, MT or other friendly blogs. At least the readers can understand his reasoning and to comment.
Look at LKS blog: he can take brickbats and he gets feedbacks and he listened. Karpal? hiding behind BN mass media and don’t need to get scalped if he is wrong. Not everybody agrees with him, you know? He behaves as if he’s a god, always remaining in his ivory tower.
You yourself have commented that in LKS and Anwar blogs readers can comment and get angry. Where is Karpal’s blog? So who is hiding? He is getting more admirers and fans from the other side – Muyhiddin, Kerismuddin and Kairy, etc. – than what he is getting from this side. Those newly-acquired fans are hypocrites, they don’t practise the so-called Karpal’s high principles. Even Karpal don’t have any principles: he’s just like the kataks who doesn’t care whether he kill his own party or not.
#40 by Josh Marconi on Thursday, 12 February 2009 - 9:15 pm
Don’t let Karpal Singh’s outbursts to change the real debate!
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As far i can recall, i have been a die hard supporter of DAP. DAP’s struggle to bring press freedom, justice to all and the right to pursue happiness appeals to me as it is consistent my personal belief system.
True, Karpal Singh could have been more diplomatic instead of appearing to be viewed as an angry man in his effort to spark a crucial public debate about has DAP turned its back on its founding principals in exchange for political gain.
PAS and DAP are strange bed fellows. They have almost complete difference ideological views in governing Malaysia.
PAS’s belief that Malaysia should be governed by God’s law, is incompatible with DAP’s stand to bring freedom to all Malaysian.
You can image my intense dislike for DAP to join force with PAS in the past general election.
The real debate here is what is DAP’s stand on the issue of Hudud law?