YB Lim
This is found on the pages of our National Registration Dept website. Sigh, what a sad state of affairs, when such atrocious English is held up for display, for practically the whole world to see…..
And we are proud of sending a “space man” above???? A by-product of all the years that UMNO and BN has been in charge of our Education System. Now, it’s not just us M’sians who know that the quality of our local grads is hopeless, but this is being paraded for the whole world to see.
Don’t UMNO/BN have any shame? Hope you will raise this issue up at the righ forum.
Regards
Shanker
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(Note, this page have since been amended by NRD)
http://www.jpn.gov.my/BI/4_5_kadpengenalan.php
1. I’m 17 year old, when should I change my identity card replacement?
A person whose had got first-time identity card namely during old 12 year, are required change again his identity card when have reached the age 18 year. If this change made within life time 18 – 25 year, no any penalty imposed.
2. I already 25 year old and still not have my own identity card. What shoul I do?
To them not yet own identity card although already aged more 16 year are advised to come to any nearby NRD to apply identity card past record. Applicant and promoter must showed up together to be interviewed, bringing with together following documents:-
Applicant Born Certificate / AnakAngkat’s Certificate / W’s Form Or
Applicant Enter Permit / Confirmation Form National Standard(if concerning)
Promoter Identity Card
3. I a foreign citizens and have gotten permit of entry from Jabatan Immigration Malaysia. Whether I qualified to apply identity card? What is conditions for I apply identity card.
You qualified to apply identity card with permanent resident status(Red). Applications requirements is bringing with permit of entry and passport and copy both of them and application fee as many as RM 40.00. Applications can be made in NRD Putrajaya Headquarters and NRD Branches only.
4. Is there any payment am being imposed in case happened damage for chip in my identity card.
Chip damage who is not due to purposely destroyed, misuse and others within one year from the date of submission card is give replacement by free, and if card period has been held by the applicant exceeding one year, payment as many as RM 10.00 imposed.
5. How many payment am being imposed if I loss identity card?
Lost identity card would be charged follow loss number. Please see payment schedule.
6. How long MyKad’s application period can be completed?
MyKad can be completed within 24 hours as applicant whose opted to take MyKad in NRD Putrajaya headquarters. For applicant opted to take MyKad in any NRD branches office in Peninsula of Malaysia, then MyKad would be completed within 10 working day while 30 working day for applicant opted to take MyKad in any NRD branches office in Sabah, a Sarawak or Labuan. MyKad’s charter completed this only involve applications from Warganegara Malaysia and prayer not problematical only.
7. Could I change address without change my identity card? If I can how many rates imposed?
Yes. With payment RM2.00 and new address information would be updated inside chip. If you want change identity card one time, the charge is RM10.00 .
8. Is it NRD receive payment other than cash ?
Yes, NRD comply accept payment electronically namely via credit card, card debit and MEPS.
However, there were limit minimum sum accept to payment via credit card there is as many as RM 50.00
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http://www.jpn.gov.my/BI/3_3_1_pengenalan.php
WHAT IS MYKID
Mykid is identity card or introduction from children’s chip issued to children aged below 12 year.Mykid’s feature is the same as MyKad only it had no picture and fingerprints.
” My ” bring purpose “Malaysia” WHILE ” kid ” also is the abbreviation to ” Personal Identity Card “. Personal identification number that there were to Mykid this will be used in all business from born till the end.
Mykid contains 3 major application contain in chip namely:
* JPN’s Application (presentation data)
* Health information
* Education information
MYKID’S ADVANTAGE
* Current form ease of use deal government or private with the agency
* Are used during deal with the department or agencies as hospital or clinic supply health screening objective, schooling and others .
* Portable because miniaturized
* Have security feature to avoid from misused.
* With technology chip wherein information readable on the card or in chip. Chip in information stated also simple to be updated.
* Strikingly good-looking form
MYKID’S IMPLEMENTATION
MyKid were implemented in all NRD branches in Peninsula of Malaysia and it only to registration of birth just.
MyKid Enquiry, please contact 03-88808066
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http://www.jpn.gov.my/BI/4_1_web.php
1. What is NRD’s website?
NRD website is abbreviation to official web National Registration Department. NRD website make major world to information and national registration department service through Internet.
2. Why this website been created?
Latterly, information and service majority National Registration Department has been prepared by online and NRD website been created to provide convenience to the public find information and service that are provided.
3. Whom were allowed surf and use this website ?
Generally, this website could be achieved by all society. However, there were some information and service that need registration.
4. What is privacy policy for this website? Am I been recorded or not?
All access and your use up on this website shall not be recorded. To further information, please visit to ‘Privacy Policy And Safety Policy’ in bottom of each page.
5. What method for I contact National Registration Department?
You can contact us:-
Public Relations Office
Tel: 03-8880 8206 / 7071 / 7077 / 7067 / 7069
Fax: 03-8880 8288 atau
Email: pro@jpn.gov.my
6. How should I sent my feedback to Goverment Agencies?
You can fill form in the division “Public Complaint System ” In NRD website. It would be channelled to the divisions relating.
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#1 by ongsc1 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 12:39 am
The priority is Bahasa Melayu because this is Malaysia and Malaysians should speak Malay as the national language.
The question is, Is BM a good business language that will attract Foreign Direct Investment? Will Investors look to BM as the stronger language over English or Chinese? Afterall, China and India being economic powerhouses they are today have very poor english language ability, perhaps Malaysia could use this to its advantage?
If you ask me, the economic disparity between the haves and have nots in Malaysia, is a direct parrallel with those who can and can’t speak english. (As I have mentioned on PKR’s blog before.)
#2 by Kongseemik on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:10 am
I say, man. How to be a Tuan when you can’t even master simple English??
#3 by sinnerconman on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:41 am
Anak Bin Salah U Masuking went for an interview and was asked about his English subject. He proudly answered, “I r sexteen A’s sutudent and I has oso A in me ingelese saabjet. I ies a majar ingelese saabjet. I cammeeng vokking toomoolow cancan.” Can this Anak Bin Salah U Masuking get the job in a MNC even with a letter from the MP of Pasir Salak?
#4 by seana on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:43 am
The whole of Malaysia needs to see this. Definitely, yes.
#5 by disapointed86 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 2:29 am
lols…please lah..y u guys highlighted this??..this is M’sia…national language is Bahasa Malaysia..perlembagaaan malaysia did’nt mention that we need to know how to cakap bahasa inggeris..–> u will expect that from our BN MPs’..
…who cares about bahasa ingggeris..just see some of the Mps’ cant even converse well in bahasa inggggeris..
#6 by katdog on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 2:31 am
One word: Hillarious.
Note to all public sector workers. If you can’t speak English just admit it. Then go and hire professional translators to perform the translation for you. This is just a typical sign of an incompetent ‘tidak apa’ organization.
I am curiously hoping that the UMNO lovers Cintanegara and Melurian would post something in defense of our government service here.
Maybe they can say that our public sector workers work so hard they don’t have time to learn proper english.
#7 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 5:27 am
Manglish that’s what it is and not English. It’s all mangled.
#8 by chengho on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 5:57 am
Not only the English but even National language Malaysian speak in bahasa pasar not baku with funny pronunciation. you need only to listen to our MP in parliment.
#9 by kcb on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:03 am
“sinnerconman Says:
Today at 01: 41.21 (5 hours ago)
Anak Bin Salah U Masuking went for an interview and was asked about his English subject. He proudly answered, “I r sexteen A’s sutudent and I has oso A in me ingelese saabjet. I ies a majar ingelese saabjet. I cammeeng vokking toomoolow cancan.” Can this Anak Bin Salah U Masuking get the job in a MNC even with a letter from the MP of Pasir Salak?”
No need letter from MP of Pasir Salak oso can, if he applies for a job in NRD.
#10 by lakshy on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:26 am
Ha ha ha……lol………I find this hilarious!
But how many of us will still be laughing, if our own kids start writing like this?
#11 by chiakchua on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:28 am
Our English standard is low is already a well known fact but never expect government department website could tolerate such kind of scrap. Our beloved country is really hopeless, lets’ be determined to change it in the next GE! Help out in the coming KT by-election.
#12 by tonysam18 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 9:18 am
My superior in my work place once informed my fellow colleague . The way we write and the way we check what we have written is a true reflection of the writer.
If the writer has a poor command of the language, it will show in his work.
If the writer is careless and he does not check his work, then it will also be reflected in his work.
In all of the above work posted on the website, it is clear that the writer do not have a good command of the language and is careless.
What can we do to our education system to correct these shortcomings ?
The government is still in dreamland thinking that money will fall from the sky. Business contracts from the Middle East, China, USA and all over the world will drop from the sky and fall into the Malaysian companies in Kuala Lumpur , etc.
The Minister of Education still don’t realise that Bahasa Malaysia is only applicable in Malaysia and Indonesia. Once you are out of these Malay states and into China, US, Europe, etc you need English to comunicate.
However, time and again despite the reminders from the rakyat, the government is still not doing anything to improve the situation.
#13 by homeblogger on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 10:31 am
Come on. This is perfect Ingris from the “jaguh Kampung” mentality borne of 51 years of NEP And still these folks want to revert the teaching of Science and Maths to Malay. While the world marches onwards, we are proud to be taking ten step back.
#14 by AhPek on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:05 am
“What can be done to our education system to correct these shortcomings.”.tonysam18.
And what do you think can be done,UMNO is still sitting pretty in their kerusis!
#15 by VampireBS on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:07 am
during my Account class in Form 4-5, all in Malay, so the teacher masuk saja open account and never even touch bout the principle, when ask why she reply “dunno, thats the way it is”. Hence when she teach, students all kinda like Gokusen at the back. as a result SPM Prinsip A/c=F9. But when I joined college, and when i start doing account in English text, i find it a lot easier coz the lecturer knows what he’s doing. and i scored A. don’t get me wrong there are lots of bahasa pinjaman in 90′s SPM Account, so got confuse a lot.
#16 by taiking on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:18 am
I strongly urge the umno government to continue the present system so that umnoputras can continue to be educated by their umno government schools.
I also suggest that the umno government modify the system a little bit to allow all non-umnoputras, if they so desire, to study in either english stream schools or vernacular stream schools.
That way umnoputras and non-umnoputras would all be happy.
What a brilliant idea. Any supporter?
#17 by taiking on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:30 am
Hei hei hei. Look at the bigger picture fellas.
Our umno government cares. They are concerned about our economy and employment. Thats why they decided to engineer employees with poor english. Its a deliberate act.
See the idea is so that employers would need to employ a few more people to work. The logic: One worker with poor english is only say half productive then get two workers for full productivity!
Additionally, their effort would create jobs for translators and interpreters. A good by-product could be that we may create a world record as a nation with the most number of translators and interpreters.
Finally, its good for the country overall because if all our umno government official secrets are written in gibberish english then hacker would not pay unauthorised visits to their sites. No use – cannot understand the meaning.
So you see. All also got reasons one. Dont simply simply say.
#18 by dragon88 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:31 am
I am not surprised if it is compiled by M2 Taib…Maybe, her daughter ? Oh yeah !! I forgot he spoke and write no English and he is Malaysia’s Inofrmation Minister. I understand he only has a 3rd grade Cambridge Certificate….
#19 by DingDongBell on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 11:50 am
After the father screw up English proficiency of Malaysian, now the son is looking into other languages, namely Mandarin and Tamil. When English usage was at its prime 20 – 30 years ago, the father change the medium of instruction to BM, the English usage in court was also terminated. Now when the Mandarin usage started to gain international prominence, the son started to see the need to do likewise.
With father and son like that elected to lead the majority supreme race in our country, where is our country heading to ?
#20 by vchi on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 12:18 pm
Wow. At first I suspected this was a product of an automated translator, but the spelling mistakes suggest a human translated it.
How shameful!
#21 by frankyapp on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:13 pm
Hey guys,that’s why I said these graduates are un-employable by the private sector.Who’s to blame ? TDM and his boys without a shadow of doubt .That’s why also TDM and his boys during their watch,sent most of their children to study even the bodo ones (stupid) to oversea country . Just ask kris Hishammudin why he does not have confidene even through he’s the education minister.It’s not surprising to me at all about the gibberish english being used in all the government departments. Everyone local or foreigners who have been dealing with the government are shaking their heads when english is spoken. And yet our UMNO/BN ministers still say we are successful in our education system . Even our own bahasa malayu is spoken in rojak style.At least our mandarin and tamil languages are spoken properly and this showed the national bahasa education system has failed whereas the chinese and tamil under difference managemt have succeeded.The malay and all other citizen should question the present managment system of implementing the bahasa and english methods of teching or else ,these two languages in our country will go further down the drain.
#22 by dinotim on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:50 pm
Obviously it is a direct translation from Malay. Probably using some translating software.
#23 by paix on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 1:59 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :-)
Management must have chosen the person in the dept with the best English skills to write up the text for the webpage. You can imagine how the rest of them must fare in their written communication skills.
Sad, very sad.
#24 by shortie kiasu on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 2:18 pm
It is known fact that the education system had produced such substandard English, but the fact is that, these products of malaysian education do not feel the shame of putting up ‘malaysian english’ on the webs for people to laught at.
It is really thick skinned of them, and when they will ever learn?
Even graduates from malaysian universities attending interviews for jobs in international companies can even speak very elementary English what more writing in correct English?
But these ‘products’ do not feel the shame at all.
That is the typical culture of products of malaysian education system.
#25 by homeblogger on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 2:24 pm
It is probably a combination of both machine (software) translation, then vetted by a human.
The shameful lacking in English is water off a duck’s back to UMNO and the ultra Tuans. To them, English is still referred to as “cakap orang putih”.
Malay is a beautiful language, but it is a million light years when it comes to being a universal language. As long as these mono-lingual UMNOputras feed the fears of a certain race that their beautiful language will be obsolete if we embrace English, we will continue to travel backward in time.
But there is hope. We have an MP from Pasir Salak who prides himself in his English ability by using choice phrases like “bl**dy b*****d”. Surely hearing these word from this amoeba’s neanderthal mouth, we see some semblance of hope for the English language in Melayu-sia.
#26 by pselvams on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 3:19 pm
YB, This is a good reading material, a good laugh too, but do Malaysians who are proficient in English deserve this .
Imagine a foreigner with interest in Malaysia as their second home goes through this material, poof there goes our investors and tourist too.
Please do something to correct the situation in the august house, but looking at the manner English is used in the parliment, I think it is going to be a tough job for anyone.
#27 by max2811 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 4:57 pm
The English problem is not just with this department. It’s practically in all Gov depts. I was using a UPSR English workbook last week produced by a Chinese company. It contains numerous grammatical and spelling mistakes. Mistakes were made mainly through Chinese to English translation.
Many Chinese schools use Chinese option teachers to teach Malay and English. They resort to the direct translation method which they think is easier and more effective. This method of teaching actually restricts the progress of the children making them incompetent during their working life. They cannot express themselves well orally as well as in writing.
I have been teaching English for 28 years. I can’t change what I see as a weak and outdated method. Everything is so politicised.
MOE needs better advisers in the planning and not give in to politics. Everytime they want to make a change for the better, they meet with opposition from the left and right.
#28 by tonysam18 on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 6:46 pm
Hi AhPek
What can be done to our education system to arrest these shortcomings .
Very simple . Change the sword wielding Education Minister to a pen wielding Education Minister.
Remember the saying : the pen is mightier than the sword.
Secondly, the present BN government need to be reminded , if they cannot do the job, please give way to others who can do it and better. When they can’t do the job doesn’t meant that others also cannot do the job. There are many Malaysians out there who are more capable then those Ministers.
#29 by AhPek on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:17 pm
tonysam18,
But how?
#30 by forglory on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:37 pm
Dear Shanker,
The Japanese people in general has a poor command of English. But this did not stop them from become a world power.
So it’s really not the language.
#31 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:37 pm
With such “atrocious English is held up for display, for practically the whole world to see…..and we are proud of sending a “space man” above????” – Shanker.
It brings to sharp focus the national problem : it is not good to be in the grip of a collective fantasy — fuelled by hubris – that sending someone to space as a cosmic tourist/visitor, euphemistically touted as “astronaut” is a symbol of the nation having advanced. It has not even by an iota.
This is exactly what TDM then wanted to do – riveting the collective attention to the tallest twin towers, grandest airport so that third world mentality could admire, take vicarious pride in these ‘achievements’ and be distracted and detracted from pursuing a first world mentality, the very prerequisite for the elite and the privileged to continue maintaining power and engaging in self aggrandizement at the expense of the nation’s abundant wealth.
To advance, one has to be in grip with reality.
Reality is not having the easiest course; it is not bull shitting; it is not depending on hand out or affirmative policies because no one owes you a living and you have to fend for yourself.
Reality is the pursuit of excellence in whatever the person, the group or the nation does : not just in English to keep up with the de facto global language so important for trade, learning and technology for advancement and self betterment but in every field of human endeavour one or the nation is engaged upon, whether education, development of IT and other technologies, commerce and trade.
And excellence is to Meritocracy like horse to cart, glove to hand, going hand in hand. What we witness is an abandonment of Meritocracy – and with it, the Culture of excellence – in embrace of Mediocrity, or even worse.
Reality is that which appeals to higher elements of human nature – the willingness to engage in strenuous exertion to attain excellence for a good personal or collective cause.
It is not collecting rent or toll from the toils of others under hegemony.
Hubris and false pride can neither compensate the lack of achievement not substitute deserved pride based on achievement and the good that comes from it. It never will.
The nation will not progress, nay it will regress, if we persist in rejecting meritocracy for mediocrity and compensating the resultant lack of achievement by maintaining an illusion of false hubris and pride to reassure all is well.
#32 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:48 pm
The Japanese have a culture of competitiveness, of hard work and pursuit of excellence (Meritocracy). That more than compensates. We have Mediciocrity or something even lesser. We compensate the resultant lack of achievement by maintaining an illusion of false hubris and pride, Malayia Boleh style.
Mostly we believe taking the easy way – to get rich from tolls and rent from others who toiled.
#33 by Jeffrey on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 7:50 pm
Oops – “Mediocrity”
#34 by waterfrontcoolie on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 10:05 pm
Tomysam 18. Your first sentence is hangimg in the air!
#35 by Godfather on Saturday, 6 December 2008 - 10:58 pm
Let’s be “rasional”. The website is meant for Malaysians only, especially those who are not educated in English. I mean, the children of UMNOputras like Kerismuddin, Rafidah and Najis are all foreign educated, and you don’t expect these princelings to go on to a local website, do you ?
These people move in different circles from the rural Malays, and it is in their interests to keep the standards low. If the rural Malays start reading the Wall Street Journal or the Herald Tribune, then UMNO would really be in trouble !
#36 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 12:39 am
Jeffrey, you are dead wrong when you said the standard of English in the public sector is expected to be lower than that in the private sector. Granted, the NRD has screwed up big time, but I guess you have not read the marketing brochures and advertisement leaflets routinely dished by private sector companies and individuals. The standard of English has dropped to irreparable level among all our students irrespective of race, perhaps with the exception of those in the Klang Valley where students learned English form their parents or from the older generations. Please check out the Ninth Malaysia Plan, the Annual National Budget, the Treasury Report and the Bank Negara Annual Report. I doubt very much those in the private sector can write those reports any better. If there is any problem, it is this: Malaysia as a whole is fast emerging as a nation without mastering a single language good enough for our intellectual and thinking pursuit.
#37 by cemerlang on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 12:45 am
Having universities is having first class facilities around. The refusal to learn more comes from a third class mind. May be those in power do not like their citizens to be cleverer than them. So they would do all in their power to suppress them and make them look stupid. How can you communicate with foreigners if you only know Bahasa Melayu ? If English makes you recall about your British Colonial masters, then there are other common, international languages to learn. Japaneses, French, German. Whoever who can master an additional language and pass in the exam should be awarded a good credit point.
#38 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 12:55 am
If I may add:
If there is any problem, it is this: Malaysia as a whole is fast emerging as a nation without mastering a single language good enough for our intellectual and thinking pursuit.
The above statement certainly applies to many here who criticise with their incoherent and horrendous English.
#39 by storm62 on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 1:03 am
aiya YB LIm, let them be la…..
in the 60′ & 70′s , we learn how to speak Mat Salleh.
since 80′s till now, UMNO teaches Mat Rempit.
try speaking english to a Mat Salleh and a Mat Rempit!!!
you’ll see the difference that’s for sure.
#40 by disapointed86 on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 4:12 am
DOnt bother about English as long as BN leads the country…Just look at Pasir Salak(tajudin)..where are all his children..sorry lah not in the country ok??…
TO all LKS readers…please speak BM when dealing with government department..they will treat u better…There is one incident when a friend of mine losing his I.C..he spoke to the officer in English..Guess what..he told my friend.. INI MALAYSIA la..kenapa lu cakap Bahasa inggeris..u pikir ini US ka??…lmao..and the friend of mine was referred to many guys before getting the I.C done….and honestly i do realize whenever i deal with malay in govt department, i speak BM and everything goes smoothy…
#41 by ctc537 on Sunday, 7 December 2008 - 8:34 am
forglory to Shanker: The Japanese people in general has a poor command of English. But this did not stop them from becoming a world power. So it’s really not the language.
I agree. The Filipino people have a good command of English, yet the country remains poor and backward. Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and now China have all advanced economically and technologically in the past 50 years without using English as a tool for learning science and mathematics.
The Japanese are very good at translating English and other foreign language books and publications into Japanese. They can do it very fast and efficiently too. This is because the persons doing the translation are actually themselves the top-notch experts in the field of knowledge. You would be amazed at how many foreign technical and scientific journals they have translated into their language every year.
#42 by AhPek on Wednesday, 10 December 2008 - 2:42 am
To argue that English has to be a precondition for a nation to succeed economically and technologically,then perhaps forglory and Shanker are both right by citing Japan as a case in point or Taiwan,South Korea and China as cited by ctc537.
Nevertheless it remains true to say English is an important language not only in international business but in science as evidenced in the prevalent use of the language in research journals of both applied science as well as basic science.It certainly pays to make English either as an important second language for the country or even better as a second official language for the country.Note in Singapore you have 4 official languages and Switzerland 3!It just requires political will to make it so.Just look at India,English is the sole official language
and the many outstanding computer science experts as well as outstanding engineers and scientists as witnessed by the recent orbiter she sent to orbit the moon,making studies on her!
#43 by AhPek on Wednesday, 10 December 2008 - 2:48 am
correction: Should be “To argue……………………………then perhaps Forgory and Shanker ……..by citing Japan as a case in point against it ……………..”.