Call on Abdullah to disband BTN - Trojan Horse to subvert Bangsa Malaysia
The Biro Tatanegara (BTN) should be disbanded as it is a Trojan Horse in the Prime Minister’s Department which undermines and subverts the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s National Day message of national unity and solidarity and Vision 2020 objective of Bangsa Malaysia.
In his 51st National Day message last Saturday, Abdullah said united citizens were a bulwark against any threat, either from within or outside the country.
He said solidarity was the cornerstone of the country’s political stability, social harmony and economic competitiveness.
However, in the bosom of the Prime Minister’s Department, the BTN had been assaulting the national “bulwark” and chipping away the Malaysian “cornerstone” in the past quarter of a century, with its unrelenting and unashamed purveying of racist poison among government servants, JPA scholars, university students and youths – using public funds running into RM76.3 million last year and RM 72 million next year to destroy the public policy of creating a Bangsa Malaysia out of the diverse peoples of Malaysia.
All Cabinet Ministers, whether Umno, MCA, Gerakan, MIC, SUPP and the Sabah and Sarawak component parties of Barisan Nasional who had served for the past quarter of a century should explain why they had closed their eyes and shut their ears to complaints that BTN had been conducting divisive and racist indoctrination courses for JPA scholars, government servants, university students and youths right under their noses?
Even more more important, what is the stand of the present batch of Barisan Nasional Ministers and leaders from Umno, MCA, Gerakan, MIC, SUPP and the BN component parties from Sarawak and Sabah?
Yesterday, I had blogged about a letter from an outraged parent at the trauma his daughter underwent in one such BTN indoctrination course for JPA scholars and the blog had evoked a firestorm of complaints and protests about the rank racism of the BTN.
One poster referred to a BTN indoctrination course for university students at UiTM in Shah Alam on 6th July 2008, where one BTN speaker, under the pretext of giving a talk on “Pendidikan”, launched into a racist harangue, criticising the Bar Council forum on social contract, accusing one of the forum speakers Farish A. Noor as a traitor of the Malay race and making disparaging remarks against Karpal Singh.
Among the “atrocious” things this speaker said were:
• “Kalau ular dengan India depan mata, ketuk India dulu.”
• That the Malays aren’t racist but ”others are racist towards us”.
• Bangsa Malaysia does not exist, neither does Malaysian Chinese and Indians, only in the strict sense Malay, Chinese and Indians.
• Bahasa Malaysia does not exist, it is Bahasa Melayu.
• Nothing wrong with waving the Keris.
• Bumiputra hanya 55% di Malaysia, give birth to more people!
• The University and University Colleges Act was partly made to ensure a Malay Vice-Chancellor in Universities which should be the way.
• Blogs are “berdosa” or sinful.
• That the Pakatan Rakyat-ruled states are all going down the drain - “this is what you get if you vote for the opposition!”
• Criticism of Anwar Ibrahim and Pakatan Rakyat.
As the BTN is under the direct jurisdiction of the Prime Minister, Abdullah should explain why BTN is allowed to conduct such divisive and racist indoctrination courses, which are compulsory for JPA scholars and government officials but which are also held for selected university students and youths – like the BTN course in UiTM Shah Alam on 6th July 2008.
The negative, divisive and destructive role of BTN as the Trojan Horse in the Prime Minister’s Department to undermine and subvert the Prime Minister’s repeated call for national unity and solidarity as well as the Vision 2020 objective of Bangsa Malaysia could be gleaned from some of the postings on my blog yesterday, viz:
1. StevePCH Says:
As the theme of this Merdeka is “Perpaduan Teras K
September 5th, 2008 at 11: 26.01
What is the concept of bangsa Malaysia? Everybody speak the same language (National Language)? There’s no other school except Sekolah Kebangsaan?
September 5th, 2008 at 11: 26.37
Bodollah cant even handle Ahmad, I would not think he has the guts to tell Malaysians what action he is going to take to end the rank racism of the BTN! FOR SURE! Ahmad’s refusal to apologize has slapped hard on DPM’s face! Good Job! Ahmad!
September 5th, 2008 at 11: 44.22
Yes, for the love of this nation, this matter must be pursued till such destructive organizations are wiped out. That the PM himself has direct responsibility for such an organization is most disturbing. One can either interpret this as he is condoning the destructive racist activities going on or he is completely oblivious to what is going on under his nose. Both options are ominous for the nation.
BTN and their destructive activites has been known for a long time. Enlightened educationist such as Dr Azly Rahman just recently condemned BTN for their role in the destruction of the Malay mind. His comments:
“….It is an overdose of the work of government-sponsored Biro Tata Negara (BTN) that is making the mass retreat and defeat possible. It is the work of Malay-dominated agencies like these that are imprisoning the minds of the Malays. This is an anti-Malay-progress establishment that is using deformed arguments on race and ethnicity to pursue an educational ideology that has gone bankrupt….”
The non Malays students may be traumatised listening to these BTN diatribes. But it benefits them as it strengthens their resolves. As Dr Azly Rahman pointed out, it is the Malay minds that are permanently destroyed in the long run.
September 5th, 2008 at 11: 53.47
This should be an example for Bangsa Malaysia:
1. Name: Tan Ah Seng OR Ahmad Ismail
2. Race: Malaysian
3. Religion: Follower of God’s teaching OR Just Believer OR Free Thinker
Compared to existing:
1. Name: XXX
2. Race: XXX/XXX/XXX!!!
3. Religion: XXX!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 12.15
Dear Uncle Lim,
Chinese school is not necessary good for all Malaysian Chinese.
Not all chinese schools are good, maybe only a few are really good ones but a lot of chinese schools are bad schools, that explained the following realities in Malaysia……
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who can’t speak and write proper English or BM were from Chinese School.
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who are low income earners ie hawkers, mechanics, contractors and etc were from Chinese school.
Most of those who are Chinese fanatics or the most racist Malaysian chinese were from Chinese school.
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who are unemployed were from Chinese school
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who are school dropouts were from Chinese school
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who involved in vice activities such as ah long, gangsters, bookies and etc were from Chinese school.
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who are professional or with good employment were those English educated Chinese.
Most of those Malaysian Chinese who can interact better with other races were those English educated Chinese.
Nowadays, most of the MCA members were from Chinese school that explained why MCA is full of corruptors and gangsters. Previously MCA was a good party as during that time, MCA does not has so many Chinese educated members, but now MCA is full of Chinese educated members, therefore had turned into a useless party.
Why DAP is better than MCA? Because DAP had more English educated Chinese than MCA.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 18.45
No wonder Datuk Ahmad Ismail is unapologetic and feels he has done nothing wrong in making racists remarks in spite of top UMNO leaders reassuring the public that his remarks were not reflective of UMNO’s stance and policy, and PM expressing the intent to go and meet him.
Ahmad Ismail may be thinking that they are not sincere. So he is not taking what the top leaders seriously. Now he now appears to have grounds to do so. For nestled within the “bosom” of the Prime Minister’s Department is the BTN which according to YB has been “conducting divisive and racist indoctrination courses for PTA scholars, government servants, university students and youths”.
If true, the offence BTN has committed against the principle of solidary and Bangsa Malaysia is 10 times worse and graver than Ahmad Ismail’s who has been a mere product of the indoctrination of and a political milieu created by such an organisation.
So if Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak deems it necessary to extend UMNO’s apology for what Ahmad Ismail had said, then ten times more he should apologise on behalf of UMNO for what BTN and its indoctrinists have said to PTA scholars, government servants, university students and youths contrary to national solidarity!
Are MCA, Gerakan and such other East Malaysian component parties of BN objecting to Ahmad Ismail’s remarks going to protest and ask Najib to extend similar apology for BTN’s indoctrination courses?
Otherwise they should explain to their rank and file why they continue to close their eyes and shut their ears to these complaints about BTN and yet choose not to leave the BN’s fold when UMNO does nothing to this organisation….
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 20.11
Najib apologized but Ahmad is saying he’s done nothing wrong?! What the….!
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 28.44
• Blogs are “berdosa” or sinful.
The meaning of sinful by what he means are simply mirage.
Im totally flabbergasted to read this seriously, what was so called sinful, is the religion been preaching them this days? This is outrages!
Being racist are guilty and thats sinful! not blogger u idiot!…
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 30.22
rakyat dont need tun mahathir back to politician. because what we having now, all thanks to his 22 years cheating adminstration.
today is rakyat challenge BN . not Anwar challenge BN.
so DONT NEED CALL TUN mahathir return to umno to challenge pakatan. Anwar is just a representative to rakyat.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 34.34
BTN is just one of many ‘useless’ agencies that has bloated the civil service budget to such a size it may well implode soon if the economic downturn continues.
But BTN isn’t AAB’s brainchild, most likely TDM. So the rot began way back actually!
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 38.58
Trojan Horse or not, AAB will not do anything about it. He can’t even control his own UMNO people’s statements that hurt other Malaysians.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 43.10
Call on Abdullah to disband BTN??!!
Do you think our PM does not know what BTN has been and is doing? Don’t kid yourself. BTN is what it is because it must have been given the green light by Umno to go out and spread the ‘gospel truth’ and to brainwash the audience. Trojan horse, my foot!
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 45.56
A deceitfully-crafted program for racial polarization and intimidaton to stay in power. Should be abolished, period.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 48.00
This sleepy flipflop guy is now TOTALLY toothless. He cant even control this racialistic idiot bum.
How can he claimed himself to be fair and religious when he and his scumbags expounded such venomous scheme like BTN on the multi racial rakyat?? Worst still on young innocent school kids.
This shows that he is also an hypocrite to the core. Again this prove that what he says is not what he means.
Just look what he said today “lets pray that fuel price will not increase” in the STAR. How shallow minded and stupid idiot can he be. Again mix god with fuel prices. Get real man sleepy guy. We have to help ourselves before we pray to the almighthy. You do nothing. Big fat ZERO except zzzzzz….
Do not fool rakyat with your devious mouthpiece.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 48.47
Teresa Kok in her speech in Parliament on 25 October 2005 question the government on BTN, and the response from the minister is below as well:
(Taken from the hansards)
DR.25.10.2005 (100)
4.44 ptg.
Puan Teresa Kok Suh Sim: [Seputeh]: Terima kasih Tuan Pengerusi. Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin merujuk kepada B.6, Jabatan Perdana Menteri, 010500 – Biro Tata Negara, 020000 – Unit Perancangan Ekonomi, B.4, Suruhanjaya Pilihan raya dan B.1, Parlimen. Tuan Pengerusi, saya ingin minta Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri untuk memberitahu Dewan yang mulia ini tentang apakah isi kandungan latihan yang dianjurkan oleh Biro Tata Negara. Saya terima aduan daripada belia yang pernah menyertai latihan atau Kursus Biro Tata Negara, mereka kata sesetengah pelatih di Biro Tata Negara menyebarkan ajaran atau fikiran yang melampau mengenai agama dan perkauman kepada peserta. Mereka diberi ajaran yang hanya mengagung-agungkan sesuatu kaum dan agama tetapi menyisihkan agama dan kaum yang lain di negara kita.
Tuan Pengerusi, saya minta menteri menjelaskan tentang objektif dan tujuan asal kerajaan untuk menubuhkan Biro Tata Negara dan sama ada kerajaan memantau kurikulum dan pelatih dalam biro ini. Saya difahamkan latihan Biro Tata Negara ini hanya diberi kepada pelajar kaum Melayu di kampus universiti dan ia tidak terbuka kepada kaum lain. Para pelajar dipilih untuk “cuci otak” selama seminggu di luar kampus supaya mereka dijadikan budak baik ataupun “pak turut” kepada kerajaan. Kerajaan telah berkali-kali bertanya mengapa kita masih tidak dapat mencapai perpaduan nasional dan setelah kita merdeka selama 48 tahun, malah kerajaan mengadakan Latihan Khidmat Negara untuk menyatupadukan pemuda-pemudi daripada pelbagai kaum.
Selain itu RTM juga pernah mengadakan program Debat Perdana dengan menjemput ahli politik dan pakar-pakar sosial untuk membahaskan tentang isu perpaduan kaum dan juga satu Jawatankuasa Pilihan Khas telah pun ditubuhkan di Parlimen kita untuk mengkaji masalah tentang perpaduan kaum. Soalannya, bukankah kurikulum dan dalam Biro Tata Negara yang keterlaluan ini bercanggah dengan dasar kerajaan yang ingin memupuk perpaduan nasional? Kenapakah kerajaan masih membiarkan ajaran yang melampau ini dan merosakkan hubungan kaum ini jika di Biro Tata Negara diteruskan?
Response from minister on the following day :
DR.26.10.2005 (pg 86 - 87)
Dato’ Mustapa bin Mohamed: ……
Mengenai Biro Tatanegara, Yang Berhormat bagi Seputeh mendakwa telah menerima satu e-mail daripada seorang peserta kursus. E-mail ini juga diterima oleh Ketua Pengarah, Biro Tatanegara, mendakwa tentang adanya penceramah yang menyebarkan fahaman lampau agama, bangsa. Kes ini, memang e-mail dihantar juga kepada Ketua Pengarah. Saya dimaklumkan bahawa kurikulum kursus Biro Tatanegara ini meliputi beberapa perkara termasuklah mengenai merdeka, mengenai sosial kontrak, dasar-dasar negara, ini antara kurikulum, mengenai cintakan negara, loyalty, ini semua penting, sejarah, antara kurikulum ya, kursus banyak.
Tahun 2004 umpamanya, hampir 950 ribu peserta kursus BTN, tahun ini kira-kira suku juta sampai bulan Ogos, banyak kursus dianjurkan. Yang disebut oleh Yang Berhormat tadi kursus Ketatanegaraan, di mana ada mengenai sejarah, orang Melayu, orang China, tujuannya ialah untuk memahami satu bangsa dapat memahami bangsa yang lain. Untuk makluman Yang Berhormat, 7% daripada peserta kursus Tatanegara ini dihadiri oleh peserta-peserta bukan Melayu. Daripada pengamatan pihak Biro Tatanegara, satu dua kes mungkin yang kurang puas hati dalam penilaian yang dibuat oleh BTN, didapati bahawa kebanyakan peserta bukan Melayu, bukan bumiputera yang menghadiri kursus ini mendapat kefahaman yang lebih, dengan izin appreciate, exposure dengan pendedahan yang diberikan.
Ada satu, dua - biasa dalam satu kumpulan beratus, beribu, 950 ribu dalam tahun 2004 ada yang tak puas hati itu perkara biasa dalam mana-mana organisasi, tapi BTN dimaklumkan bahawa secara umumnya diterima baik juga oleh peserta-peserta kursus bukan bumiputera. Jadi, itulah penjelasan yang saya hendak berikan berkaitan dengan dakwaan Ahli Yang Berhormat bagi Seputeh. Walau bagaimanapun, kita tidak menggalakkan sesiapa bercakap tentang pelampau, kita Islam Hadhari, kita bukan pelampau Muslim, kita bukan pelampau Melayu, kita moderat, itu merupakan sederhana pendekatan kita dan kita ucap terima kasihlah atas pandangan Yang Berhormat bagi Seputeh.
Puan Teresa Kok Suh Sim: Terima kasih Yang Berhormat Menteri. Kalau mengikut jawapan Yang Berhormat Menteri maksudnya hanya 7% daripada jumlah peserta adalah dari bukan Melayu. Jadi bermaksud kursus ini adalah lebih kepada kaum Melayu sahaja yang mana 93%. Saya rasa ini adalah keadaan yang agak tidak sihat. Kalau pensyarah ini semua Melayu, 93% peserta Melayu maksudnya mesej yang ingin disampaikan itu kita tahulah semua ini bergantung kepada macam mana pensyarah menyampaikan kurikulum yang disebutkan tadi.
Pada pandangan saya kalau Biro Tatanegara ini adalah untuk memupuk kefahaman para peserta tentang sejarah pembentukan negara kita, kenapakah ia tidak dibuka kepada semua. Mungkin semua Ahli Yang Berhormat di Dewan ini juga dijemput menghadiri kursus Biro Tatanegara. Marilah kita tengok dan lihat apakah mesej yang disampaikan oleh pensyarah kepada para peserta kerana kenapakah hanya pelajar Melayu yang dijadikan tumpuan untuk kursus ini. Saya rasa ini adalah masalah. Kalau kita lihat National Service semua kaum berada bersama. Jadi pensyarah yang ingin….
Tuan Pengerusi [Datuk Dr. Yusof bin Yacob]: cukup Yang Berhormat.
Puan Teresa Kok Suh Sim: …..menyampaikan mesej yang melampau itu dia pun tidak berapa berani kerana dia harus menghadapi begitu ramai peserta daripada pelbagai kaum.
Dato’ Mustapa bin Mohamed: Terima kasih. Kita ambil perhatian pandangan Yang Berhormat bagi Seputeh. Yang Berhormat bagi Sabak Bernam mencadangkan supaya belia lepak juga dilibatkan dengan kursus-kursus BTN. Saya maklumkan bahawa BTN mempunyai peserta daripada golongan ini melalui Persatuan Belia 4B, MBM, OAIC dan lain-lain dan kita boleh tambah peserta daripada golongan belia kerana kita akui bahawa golongan ini merupakan golongan yang perlu diberi perhatian lebih memandangkan gejala sosial yang sedang melanda negara kita. Selesai mengenai Biro Tatanegara.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 53.04
The PM answer to this: ‘I will ask BTN to apologize and not repeat it again’??
I bet you there will be some excuse that BTN purpose is to do something about racial unity or crap like that.
We need someone to ask Wee Ka Siong, Ong Tee Keat , Samy Vellu and Koh Tsu Koon about BTN and Ahmad Ismail no apology statement - together - they sure don’t want to talk about it…
If you ask the PM, he will say ‘macam-macam.., tak habis, habis..’.
September 5th, 2008 at 12: 55.47
Racism must not be condoned in any form. All these years the non malay component parties of BN are conniving with Umno to let this monster grow from strength to strength .Now it has gathered sufficient power to tear our country and her people asunder. Racism has become instutionalised, blatantly fluant and openly practised.
Look at how impotent and feeble the PM and DPM are in disciplining warlord Ahmad Ismail. Same goes with our Education Minister with the racist teachers. MCA, MIC and Gerakan can show all its posturing and bravado but who gives a damn, certainly not Umno. I doubt there is political will in the present govt to criminalise racism.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 04.40
Please someone exposed all these cowards hiding behind BTN. All I could say to them is .. Fight like a man … doesn’t all these remind the current usage of naive teens as suicide bombers in the middle east most likely conned by these cowards and the likes.
Maybe it also explained why we had cases of teachers/principal with such racist overtune
Scared me …of what could/would/might happened if Anwar is not swift enough to take on power
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 14.27
Tata means Bye Bye, good luck, sayonara.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 18.55
FOLKS, CAN DEMOCRACY ACTUALLY GUARANTEE US FREEDOM???
CAN WE LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE ….
read on
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What’s the Meaning of ‘Freedom’? …. But don’t ask a politician!
by Rep. Ron Paul
“Man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts”.
- Ronald Reagan
We’ve all heard the words democracy and freedom used countless times, especially in the context of our invasion of Iraq. They are used interchangeably in modern political discourse, yet their true meanings are very different. George Orwell (picture above right) wrote about “meaningless words” that are endlessly repeated in the political arena. Words like “freedom,” “democracy,” and “justice,” Orwell explained, have been abused so long that their original meanings have been eviscerated. In Orwell’s view, political words are “often used in a consciously dishonest way.” Without precise meanings behind words, politicians and elites can obscure reality and condition people to reflexively associate certain words with positive or negative perceptions. In other words, unpleasant facts can be hidden behind purposely meaningless language.
As a result, Americans have been conditioned to accept the word “democracy” as a synonym for freedom, and thus to believe that democracy is unquestionably good. The problem is that democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism, which is inherently incompatible with real freedom. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as evidenced not only by our republican constitutional system, but also by their writings in the Federalist Papers and elsewhere. James Madison cautioned that under a democratic government, “There is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual.” John Adams argued that democracies merely grant revocable rights to citizens depending on the whims of the masses, while a republic exists to secure and protect preexisting rights.
Yet how many Americans know that the word “democracy” is found neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence, our very founding documents? A truly democratic election in Iraq, without U.S. interference and U.S. puppet candidates, almost certainly would result in the creation of a Shi’ite theocracy. Shi’ite majority rule in Iraq might well mean the complete political, economic, and social subjugation of the minority Kurd and Sunni Arab populations. Such an outcome would be democratic, but would it be free? Would the Kurds and Sunnis consider themselves free? The administration talks about democracy in Iraq, but is it prepared to accept a democratically elected Iraqi government no matter what its attitude toward the U.S. occupation? Hardly. For all our talk about freedom and democracy, the truth is we have no idea whether Iraqis will be free in the future.
They’re certainly not free while a foreign army occupies their country. The real test is not whether Iraq adopts a democratic, pro-Western government, but rather whether ordinary Iraqis can lead their personal, religious, social, and business lives without interference from government. Simply put, freedom is the absence of government coercion. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and created the least coercive government in the history of the world. The Constitution established a very limited, decentralized government to provide national defense and little else. States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens.
Any government coercion beyond that necessary to secure those rights was forbidden, both through the Bill of Rights and the doctrine of strictly enumerated powers. This reflected the founders’ belief that democratic government could be as tyrannical as any King. Few Americans understand that all government action is inherently coercive. If nothing else, government action requires taxes. If taxes were freely paid, they wouldn’t be called taxes, they’d be called donations. If we intend to use the word freedom in an honest way, we should have the simple integrity to give it real meaning: Freedom is living without government coercion. So when a politician talks about freedom for this group or that, ask yourself whether he is advocating more government action or less. The political left equates freedom with liberation from material wants, always via a large and benevolent government that exists to create equality on earth.
To modern liberals, men are free only when the laws of economics and scarcity are suspended, the landlord is rebuffed, the doctor presents no bill, and groceries are given away. But philosopher Ayn Rand (and many others before her) demolished this argument by explaining how such “freedom” for some is possible only when government takes freedoms away from others. In other words, government claims on the lives and property of those who are expected to provide housing, medical care, food, etc. for others are coercive?and thus incompatible with freedom. “Liberalism,” which once stood for civil, political, and economic liberties, has become a synonym for omnipotent coercive government. The political right equates freedom with national greatness brought about through military strength.
Like the left, modern conservatives favor an all-powerful central state? but for militarism, corporatism, and faith-based welfarism. Unlike the Taft-Goldwater conservatives of yesteryear, today’s Republicans are eager to expand government spending, increase the federal police apparatus, and intervene militarily around the world. The last tenuous links between conservatives and support for smaller government have been severed. “Conservatism,” which once meant respect for tradition and distrust of active government, has transformed into big-government utopian grandiosity. Orwell certainly was right about the use of meaningless words in politics. If we hope to remain free, we must cut through the fog and attach concrete meanings to the words politicians use to deceive us.
We must reassert that America is a republic, not a democracy, and remind ourselves that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. We must resist any use of the word “freedom” to describe state action. We must reject the current meaningless designations of “liberals” and “conservatives,” in favor of an accurate term for both: statists. Every politician on earth claims to support freedom. The problem is so few of them understand the simple meaning of the word.
Merdeka!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 23.07
Nothing is new,novel or original in thought here. Have you ever experienced anything originally Malaysian with BN/Um-No? Somehow,somewhere, there will be that borrowed elements?
the communist practised this sort of indoctrination. But,little do they know, that, what may apply to other nations might not apply here. It might complicate matters.
You might not need to go that far, even if you think that you could copy some of Singapore’s or Thailand’s success,it might not be successful here. BN/Um-No has this ‘Monkey see,monkey do’ policy. Nothing original from them.
Anyway, it will be a little too late to try something new, it might backfire on them badly this time.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 25.07
Why does all these incidents appear with the ascent of dollah and his hadhari beginning in 2003? Surely not a coincidence!
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 30.14
YB Lim,
The term ‘government servants’ is a term full of mischief.
The term is one of the tool to indoctrinate the CIVIL/PUBLIC servants, to enslave and cowed those paid by the tax-payers money.
They are not servants of the ruling administration.
They are servants of the PUBLIC, rendering CIVIL services to the citizens.
The term ‘government servants’ will only continue to poison and corrupt the minds of those that need to be set free from statist dieology.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 40.27
Abdullah’s “sweet talk” of national unity and solidarity and Vision 2020 objective of Bangsa Malaysia on National Day is merely an aesthetic cover for UMNO to continue to play the race card.
As the BTN comes under the purview of Abdullah’s department, it is clear that the statement he made on National Day is devoid of sincerity and rings hollow.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 42.54
It’s already pass 1pm. I’m still waiting for something to happen. Maybe DSAI is not capable enough to pull it off. Pls enlighten me.
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 46.08
“We need someone to ask Wee Ka Siong, Ong Tee Keat , Samy Vellu and Koh Tsu Koon about BTN and Ahmad Ismail no apology statement…” - Bigjoe
Is it coincidence those names mentioned are synonymous with cowards?
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 50.17
not only BTN be abolished but even National Service Also !! both these achieved 0 objectives in claiming for understanding each other’s races to become better citizens of tomorrow!! both these are really a WASTE of the rakyat money !! it is to make better use of these funds to reduce fuel and commodoties costs .
the people who Really Need Cleansing are especially BN people because they tell us to respect one another but for them, they insult/condemn whoever they like!! even our ex-PM was not sparred ( so un-respectful and un-grateful of them ). they have forgotten that if not for malaysian rakyat , they won’t be enjoying all the benefits that rakyat malaysia can only envy.
we the rakyat is not greedy. if there is a government that really cares for the welfare of malaysian and ensuring all has a reasonable and comfortable house to stay plus can buy affordable quality needs, i think the rakyat will be very pleased because basically, the average malaysian is friendly and easy to be with.
but because greed has fallen upon these bn, these wakils have changed their concept of serving the rakyat to serving only among themselves and let the rakyat to fend defensive-less in this country.
that’s why we need an alternate government to bring back especially smiles to our children like can bring them out to outings to fast-foods, see movies or even go on a family tour holiday which i think is not that demanding at all . i just hope PK can rise to the occassion under the leadership of DSAI to make malaysia “MERDEKA DAN BERKAYA” again!!
September 5th, 2008 at 13: 56.21
Forget it guys!
I don’t think any of the “BeEnd” guys including Ong Ka Tin, Koh Soo Koon and Semi Value” DARE to speak up the BTN issue.
They are a bunch of PUPPET ON THE STRING AND GOOD FOR NOTHING leaders hanging on to the LIFE JACKET throwed out from the “SINKING TITANIC”.
The only way to solve all this “RACE” issue is through our own effort i.e: PAKATAN RAKYAT!
P.S. to all MPs from Sabah and Sarawak, PLEASE WAKE-UP!
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 02.40
“So is BTN’s racist indoctrination courses helping? BTN should be disbanded for doing the nation a disservice.” - Jeffrey
Is that all Jeffrey? Just disband them?
They MUST be charged with SEDITION!
Nothing less will do!
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 13.39
Now AAB is truly practising Islam Hadhari in BN. BN is experiencing “Had Hari” - countdown to its D-day has already begun!
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 17.15
“rakyat dont need tun mahathir back to politician. because what we having now, all thanks to his 22 years cheating adminstration.
today is rakyat challenge BN . not Anwar challenge BN.
so DONT NEED CALL TUN mahathir return to umno to challenge pakatan. Anwar is just a representative to rakyat.” - wesuffer
You’re right!
There are many naive-even-now people still around, still worshipping TDM as a hero.
They still don’t get it that all the rot started during his twenty-two long years of administration.
And to rub salt into our wounds, he had that gall to install someone who is even worse in his place and as the deputy, another who is no better.
Many still think that we have the luxury to wait until the next General Election to dump the current BN government. The hard- to- swallow fact is that we don’t!
This country is already a goner as it is now, so the seconds that ticked by are precious; we have no time to waste!!
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 20.19
actually Malaysia already lost the direction after the eighties as long as this government still continue with the discrimation policies and poisoning the youth mind yet the oppositions are unable to do anything about this i may call our country land of no hope can mca tell your next move since the ah mad bb had given his answer abdullah said he didn’t mean it but this idiot said what he mean so abdullah what is your action now
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 25.39
forget to tell abdullah jangan tanam tebu di bibir mulut
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 25.49
In Malaysia politicians dare to bully the “rakyat” while the oposite is true in developed countries.
Why? The answer is simple.
The mojority of the “rakyat” are still naive (if not stupid) in voting these politicians to govern the country. The enlightened mninority cannot blame the politicians. The blame should go to the unenlightened masses because these hiprocatic politicians are smart in fooling the immatured masses.
If the majority of the “rakyat” is politically matured, see how they will behave?
Let us keep on fighting to wake up the unenlightened masses. The oppositions must expose the misdeeds of these pseudo-politicians with evil intentions.
Only when the masses grow wiser, these pseudo-politicians will have no place under the Malaysian sun.
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 27.20
This BTN must be one of the silliest indoctrination course in the modern world (say since 1968), if the silliiest. Disband it? why should they?
If no change govt within 1 year, this country is a goner lah ! unless of course, can find another 10 billions barrels oil reserve ! then can “prosper” for many more years
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 29.20
“Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi says Barisan Nasional backbenchers should be allowed to go for their overseas retreat. He denied the trip had anything to do with heading off any possible mass defections of BN MPs to Pakatan Rakyat by Sept 16.” — reported by malaysian insider.
Whatever the reason, why should they be allowed to go for an overseas retreat? It’s a waste of the taxpayers’ money (and worst stiill, it will be used to fund the trip of only one political party’s members). Didn’t AAB himself suggest some so-called cost-cutting measures when he raised the petrol price? Now, it seems cost-cutting is the last thing on his mind.
AAB should disband the BTN, followed by sacking himself.
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 32.18
I was informed (correct me if I am wrong), not only the students were subjected to these indoctrination courses, overseas lecturers employed to work in local colleges and universities have to do likewise. They were constantly monitored, not for their expertise but, they do not speak out of line.
YB Lim, perhaps, you could investigate on this matter too.
September 5th, 2008 at 14: 50.15
I cant imagine how the ‘NEW’ government will look like. PAS and DAP, two parties with different ideologies, work together to form a government?? Does DAP suuport PAS’s agenda?
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 03.02
Total control of the mainstream media has allowed the racist indoctrination of BTN to go unexposed for so long. But with the rise of the Internet, the ruling regime has lost control of the flow of information.
We are now witnessing a regime grappling with this loss of control which has exposed corruption, wastage, land scams, racism, abuse of law enforcement agencies and more.
Unless this regime can pull back Malaysia into the age when they control all information, they cannot survive the exposure of all their skeletons.
Casualty has already been inflicted in one general election and one by-election.
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 10.16
BN MPs are being required to attend a retreat in Australia to prevent defections on September 16. Study tour or Detention Class?
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 18.34
The Courage to Build a New Malaysia.
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The year is 2008. This is the year most Malaysians finally woke up from a deep slumber. Most Malaysians were just too busy earning their living and building up their lives to take notice that times have changed and the idealism spouted by our founding Fathers have still not been accomplished for this country even today.
It was not so long ago in 1957 and then for our fellow East Malaysians in 1963 when the ideals and dreams preached by the late Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra Al-Haj (Bapa Kemerdekaan and Bapa Malaysia) for Malaysia were first announced and was greeted with joy in the hearts and minds of all Malaysians. The late Tunku Abdul Rahman had a dream and ideals, just like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and many others including the prophets over the history of mankind.
Many a times such dreams were hijacked and led astray under the guise of nationalistic, racist and religious idealism by so called politicians and self declared and appointed righteous and religious persons (Little Napoleons). Individuals who have risen to continue some of such idealisms are gagged, isolated, bankcrupted, blasphemied, rehabilitated or worst jailed, for it is deemed not in consonance with the dreams and idealism of the elected parties agendas.
Laws are legislated and passed at whim in Parliament to change the idealism of the Supreme Law of the Land (The Malaysian Constitution) and to cloak such party and individual agendas. It is true, Malaysia, conforms to the democratic process as practiced by most western countries in elections (even though tainted but unproven). But once given the trust to be elected as a leader or representative of the people, party and individual idealism overtook national idealism, and The Jeykll and Hyde personality emerged to be repeated over and over again at each and every election and by-election.
Malaysians have being led astray for so long, that what is right is blurred, what is wrong is tolerated, what is evil is condoned, what is fair is pouted as unfair, what is immoral becomes moral and corruption and close one eye need to become a part of our accepted daily lives. Jealousy, hatred, greed, racism, plundering and satanism starts to breed in Malaysian minds, and brothers, friends and fellow Malaysians were looked upon as enemies or as inferior human beings. Once a while, such nets were cast ashore to include anything to do with other countries or other races which do not belong to one’s own race or religious beliefs.
The minds and souls of Malaysians are so polluted and poisoned for so many years that it seems that Malaysia is the only all correct country and we should rule the world by our way. Examples of countries which follows Malaysia or is it we following them are, such as North Korea, Zimbabwe and Israel. What justifications can you tell your own generations or future Malaysian generations that what you are doing to fellow mankind and more so to your own fellow Malaysians that it is righteous and correct, when, it is at the expense and sufferings of your own human kind and fellow Malaysians?
Can you say to them I did it to follow the orders and teachings of God or party political agendas? Who gave you such inspirations and idealism? Do not absolve your own wicked mind and greed nor take a ride on someone else wicked mind and greed. Do not pick and choose in the Books of God nor the man-made laws to justify or suit your own twisted and idealistic minds. You can fool others due to their ignorance or emotions at some time but you can’t fool forever a man’s conscience nor your own children or hopefully one day your own when such enlightenment comes to you.
The courage to change things which are not right in Malaysia nor achieve the ideals of the Founding Fathers is not impossible. Most Malaysians have woken up to the fact that the future is going to be determined by it’s own citizens thru their own conscience guided by their own religious beliefs to live a harmonious and productive life of correctness and not the type of political, racial or religious correctness as preached.
Parties and their own agendas do not take priority over the Founding Fathers ideals and hopes of all Malaysians. Religion and principles are as a guide to your own conscience to make sure whoever is the leader do not lead Malaysians nor society astray.
For in the end, what is just and right should surely overule anything else for any leader or their party agendas.
Does your Representative of the People (Wakil Rakyat) or You! have the courage?
http://patek1472.wordpress.com
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 21.30
It is a common theme of BTN’s lecturers to drum into government servants, PTD scholars, university students and youths the basic 1957 “Social Contract” – that non Malays should not question the rights and privileges of the Malays as the non-Malays should be thankful that they were given citizenship status and a place to stay on their soil” per letter of an Outraged Malaysian Parent per previous thread. If I were not mistaken they have to sit some kind of exams at end of session to show they understand. No one questions what is being taught : they want to pass the exams. They regurgitate the misinformation and errors spewed out by half baked lecturers. What good is coming out from arguing and exposing their disinformation, even those who knew better would think!
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 29.36
Cintanegara said: “I cant imagine how the ‘NEW’ government will look like. PAS and DAP, two parties with different ideologies, work together to form a government?? Does DAP suuport PAS’s agenda?
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Cintanegara, you can’t imagine. It is OK. Let me tell you what my imagination is:
1) Abu, Ah Chong, Muthu, call themselves Malaysian, not UMNO-putera, Chinese, Indian or lain-lain.
2) Our silly government form no longer require us to put in our race, religion in all their forms.
3) University entrance is by merit not by racial/ethnic quota with special financial help to the hardcore poor regardless of race/ethnic
4) major public expenditure is by open tender and anyone who meet the criteria may submit the bid and the tendering process is open to public scrutiny
5) One universal public pre-university entrance exam… no STPM or Matri[LOL]cuation.
EP
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 31.16
Grrrrr……
if it is public money, why only BN MPs are allow this holiday… I mean study tour?
Grrrr.
EP
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 33.12
Dear YB,
BTN should not only be disbanded but investigated as well.
If these seditious words are being propagated, when will we achieve true unity.
From what is happening though, PM and DPM had both lost their grip over their own guys. Disbanding BTN may be only a dream under BeEnd rule.
I understand from a guy whom had worked BTN that these BTN is also the goons behind Puteri but cannot confirm if it is true or not. Puteri will instruct and BTN will act.
Krismudin also mentioned that similar treatment should be given to schools other than Chinese Independence school, I truly agree with that. Ironically, all these years, our Education system is the ones supressing these non National type school.
Why is he championing for these schools in PR states now ?
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 33.12
Will u agree if I add 2 more items?
1. Everybody speak the same language (National Language)
2. There’s no other school except Sekolah Kebangsaan No more Sekolah Jenis kebangsaan
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 36.46
Excuse me for my smugness.
I was the first poster in that thread - “Any Najib apology for the rank racism of BTM indoctrination course”- to suggest that BTN should be disbanded.
In Comment No 5 i had said .”Kit,
You know and I know and everyone knows the role of BTN and what it has been doing. It is nothing but a bigoted UMNO outfit.
The first thing Anwar should do on taking over the government is to disband BTN. It shouldn’t exist in whatever form.”
Perhaps you overlooked my suggestion but noted the subsequent ones.
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 45.10
I think all of us the rakyat have had enough of this racist BN rule. Let me commend the self restrain we imposed voluntarily upon ourselves and have not respond in kind.
The main question remains how is it that non-Malay based parties still support the UMNO racial profiling in every thing? By remaining silent while knowing it had been going on for a long time, this proved that the leadership in the parties were UMNO approved persons. The most ridiculous are the party members who still have not resigned from the party. As long as the problem is not ended once and for all, the larger blame lies upon the shoulders of the members. These are the culprits who hold the key; they indirectly prolong the agony rational Malaysian have to suffer.
But let us all be reminded that Malaysia IS NOT A Malay NATION; it is effectively a multi-racial one. However we have to realize that the Malay racists are supported by their non- Malay BN members. These witless culprits are a disadvantage to the progress of the nation.
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 45.11
Dear YB Kit
I was very fortunate not to have undergone any BTN indoctrination . However many members of my family have. Actually the attitude most Malays who are forced to undergo this indoctrination is in one ear , out the other ! BTN has been doing this for more than 50 years .
We should have complained earlier instead of tolerating this fetid rascist shit!
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 47.16
Cintanegara said: “Will u agree if I add 2 more items?
1. Everybody speak the same language (National Language)
2. There’s no other school except Sekolah Kebangsaan No more Sekolah Jenis kebangsaan”
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1) We already do… it is called Bahasa Malaysia/Melayu.
2) Agree that public schools should be Sek Keb only. Private school can have their medium of teaching in Arabic, Tagalog, Thai, English, Mandarin … based on supply and demand.
EP
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 51.30
YB LKS,
no matter what i will always look forward to a new form of government, and i really do hope i do not see those co**upted UMNO deuschbag members joining the opposition because its not the party that is in a bad shape, but the members in the party are the onces who are screwing things up.
September 5th, 2008 at 15: 54.09
Emily Pratt - U agree with conditions ….Our friends have been granted with such privileges for more than 50 years. Do you think they will let it off easily? Pls be more rational….
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 09.06
cintanegara, you know the problem with the so-called national schools? It is not the name that bothers right thinking Malaysians, It is the quality! If you do not have jokers like those lecturing in BTN; with no bigotry agenda,I don’t think any rational parent mind sending their children there.
In many of these ‘national schools’ you have bigots who forget that their one-sided out-look and shallow thinking would forever change the young minds. No rational parent will take that chance!
The result of the majority of the local graduates is all there for you to see. What further evidence do you need?
One can speak many languages without the loss of love for the country. You seem to hold that by speaking more than one language, you are unpatriotic? What a shame for such shallow brain! By the way, are you also teaching in one of those schools?
To me, a corrupted leader is the most likely candidate to sell anything his country can offer!!
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 20.59
Police reports have been made again Ahmad Ismail and according to the police he will be investigated accordingly. So may I ask you the learned great guys what answer can we expect from him. To admit he said the seditious stuff will only land him with guilty verdict. So, it is logical to save one’s skin by denying first.
There is no need to demand for apology from him. Just continue to exert pressure so that he be charged in court and expelled from his political party. The same goes for Zul Nordin, the PKR MPs for Kulim Bandar Baru. No double standards, no favouritism. Is this not what we want and fight for?
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 27.48
why is this old man keep on writting about racist information again and again…..
perhaps somebody need to sent this old man back to school…
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 37.11
Kulim Bandar Baru MP Zul Nordin should be sacked or resign on his own accord and stay as an Independent MP. We can only hope, he will still support Anwar’s agenda for a change of govt.
Since he claimed to be a God fearing man, let his conscience be the judge of his actions.
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 41.44
Were we being though of how important is solidarity? In some cases politicians are the real culprit just to suit their political objectives. Realising the fact that no nation will service on racial issues why not just follow the majorty? The Malay as an elder brother and the others are the brother. Why must be a suspicious kind of hu ha
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 47.23
sorry repost, too many mistakes in the earlier post:
Sdr Kit,
I don’t know why you made so many mistakes in your psoting. There are only JPA scholars, no PTD or PTA scholars. JPA stands for Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam or Public Services Departement. So JPA scholars are those given scholarship by the Public Service Department. There are no PTD scholars. PTD is Pegawai Tadbir & Diplmatik (Administrative and Diplomatic Officers, the elites in the Malaysian Civil Service). These are the people who become heads of departments, district officers, state secretaries, state financial officers, and secretaries general of the ministries (secretary general in BM is KSU, or Ketua Setiausaha). For example, the Immigration Department is staffed mainly by officers from the Immigration Service, but the big boss like the director general (the one charged for corruption recently) and his deputies are from the PTD service. There are also no PTA scholars. PTA stands for Pegawai Tadbir Am. PTA is less glamorous service when compared to PTD and usually they hold lesser positions in the civil service.
[Mistakes corrected. Thanks for being sharp-eyed. - Admin]
September 5th, 2008 at 16: 56.52
Its sad that BN government is using taxpayers’ (of which non-Malays form the biggest non-Petronas portion tax) money to hire Bumiputra officers to teach new Bumiputra students to become racist! How could the government expect the non-Bumi not feeling hurt and disappointed?
For infor (from article in Sin Chew Daily on 4-9-2008):
Japan population: 120 millions
Government servants: 820,000
Ratio: 1:155
Malaysia population: 26 millions
Government servants: 1.2 millions
Ratio: 1:20
Malaysian must be very lucky that we have so many government servant to serve the rakyat!
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 00.15
Why I say there is error/disinformation in these half baked lectures : supremacy/privileges of Bumiputras were defended by these lecturers based on a latin concept - Jus soli (Latin for “right of the soil” or, somewhat figuratively, “right of the territory”), a tag line by some of our supremacists…. Most of the time, audience don’t understand what it means; neither do, I suspect, the lecturers themselves using such alien latin/bombastic concept!
Jus Soli is the right by which nationality or citizenship can be recognised to any individual born in the territory of the state.
The criteria of Malaysian citizenship are complex [beyond scope of discussion here] but one of the common thread is citizenship granted to every person born within Malaya after Merdeka 31.8.1957 by operation of law or after September 1962, and/or where one of the parents at least is at the time of the birth either a citizen or permanently resident in Malaysia (latin concept of lex soli)etc…Now this includes all non Bumiputras, so how could Jus Soli be relevant for application as a concept to justify bifurcation of Bumi rights from non Bumis????
Historically The basic 1957 Social Contract or Exchange is :
1. Malays granted non Malays citizenship rights based on (in part ) Jus Soli;
2. in exchange, Non Malays granted Malays preferential constitutional safeguards by which the symbols and institutions of the Malay polity (eg hereditary rulers) would be safe, Islam recognised as the official religion, Malay language as the national and official language, Special Privileges and Position (Art 153) of Malays.
Basic Exchange would reap benefit of independence from British for all races and privilege 1. above was granted to Chinese and Indians as they were then controlling most important areas of the economy - rubber, tin and trade – which British wanted that commerce to continue (after independence) with Britain, and to create national wealth to fight Communist threat.
It has been DAP’s position, which I think accurately reflects the then Social Contract, that Islam being recognised as the official religion does not mean concomitantly the country is a theocratic Islamic state, the latter coming into vogue way after 1957 Merdeka in 1979 with the Iranian Revolution.
On special Privileges, they were originally not intended perennial (ie forever) but reviewable every 15 years but under Mahathir administration, they were, by constitutional amendments, made practically perennial in the sense that the King decides for how long they will subsist and the King, by constitutional prescription, is protector of Malay interest, culture and religion.
Privileges were granted in concession to the economically disadvantaged position of the Malays then. They were not granted due to supremacy of race in Ketuanan sense that some lecturers of BTN would have their audience believe.
The lecturers use Jus Soli to justify Ketuanan in the sense that “right of the soil” or “right of land” belongs to majority race whilst others are tenants ie of not equal citizenship.
That is trying to to use a square to plug a hole, a misuse of the concept Jus Soli. Jus Soli was instead actually granted to non Malays. It is not a justification of Ketuanan.
Royal professor Dr Ungku Abdul Aziz said there was no Social Contract between Malaysia’s diverse races. He said it was a “fantasy created by politicians of all sorts of colours depending on their interest”. He did not elaborate . TDM disagreed.
But Royal professor is right. Whatever Social Contract in sense above defined existed in 1957 – but 50 years later? Don’t tell me it will bind another 5000 years or eternity! The Social Contract was relevant and met the felt needs of that time. Now is a different millennium, different age, and Malaysians (the younger ones) are not grasped by dead hand of the forefathers; they are free from shackles of their ancients to negotiate afresh based on present felt needs and what is best for the nation as a national polity and her peoples as a whole.
Anwar – whether or not he practises what he preaches – is preaching a New Deal/Social Contract.
BTN’s lecturers are distorting what goes on by their own narrow and mistaken concept esp jus soli.
What is the justification for using public funds running into RM76.3 million last year and RM 72 million next year for BTN to perpetrate this disinformation and unreality contrary to unity/Bangsa Malaysia?
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 01.14
after these few years under AAB, I think we need a change in administration. BN too long in power for 51 years and his BN is loosing out.
It’s not that we support Pakatan Rakyat, because we see AAB as a weak leader. can’t even contact Ahmad of clarify his statement over racial issue.. giving us all the bullshit reasons. DPM also need to represent Ahmad to appologise. Pity him.
BN now are really is hard days [hard-hari].. later after several months, Ahmad case will just close like that without any action taken.. BN people ma.. sure have to let him go, what if Ahmad is from PR? surely sedition act already staples to his head within few hours of statement..
we’ll just wait and see how UMNO/BN will do to AHMAD. DOUBLE STANDARD..
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 07.43
This question is for Lim Kit Siang:
I see you have always championed the cause of a “Bangsa Malaysia”. Can you please tell me what this means and HOW it can be achieved within the diversity of Malaysia’s social demography?
You need not make your answer long, simply list practical points as to how this ‘Bangsa’ can be achieved.
Thank you.
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 15.44
As YB Kit is unlikely to respond, this is what Datuk Seri Dr Rais Yatim said of “Bangsa Malaysia” - http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/3/31/9MP/13816632&sec=9MP
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 22.26
Jeffrey says:
>> based on a latin concept
Just look up “social contract” on any authoritative website or better still read into Rousseau’s works.
As I wrote on another thread; In Malaysian context, it refers to the agreement made by the country’s founding fathers in the constitution. It refers to a quid pro quo “trade-off” through Articles 14–18 of the Constitution, pertaining to the granting of citizenship to the non-Malay people of Malaysia, and Article 153, which grants the Malays special rights and privileges.
Since the Malay leaders agreed to relax the conditions for citizenship, the leaders of the Chinese and Indian communities accepted the special position of the Malays. Clearly the contract agreed to by their forefathers does not sit well with the new generation, therefore alienation and resentment and hatred is a natural reaction.
What is interesting however is that another description of the social contract declares it to be an agreement that “Malay entitlement to political and administrative authority should be accepted unchallenged, at least for the time being, in return for non-interference in Chinese control of the economy”.
Even though it has been heavily criticised by many in Malaysia, the social contract should not be seen as the defence of the principle of “Ketuanan Melayu”; nor be seen as non-Malays’ “debt” to the Malays for citizenship - This is the aspect of the contract that UMNOputras have failed miserably to explain to the new generation.
Critics too have a point when they say that you won’t find the term “Malay rights” in the supreme law of our land, instead, you will find terms such as “special position” of Malays. A “right” implies something inalienable and a “privilege” on the other hand is a benefit. I shall leave it with the discerning readership to make up their own minds after their own research.
Good day.
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 28.05
They stand united to MIGRATE….soon.
Mahathir is playing to seek asylum….from one Middle East country.
Others..need to bring millions…to get permanent residence.
No more Malaysians Chinese chapot.
Crooks from UMNO and BN…..planning to run like hell.
But I bet you..Dollah will stay in Malaysia..for better or worst….like a gentleman. Khairy capot..with new face..full grown beard…..like an Iman.
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 37.32
I think many people put their comment here FAILED TO NOTICE what lies ahead of us. The racist statement/propaganda/political rally are more serious than simple racism and rights.
Because when Malaysian distract by the Ketuanan and various racism call, it show that the country are wasting precious resources in the wrong stuff.
The globalisation issues are imminent! It is hopeless for those politikus to talk about their “own race” , while the whole village their living are on fire. No, it is not “other race” that set the fire, it is the fire of globalisation.
BTN and many UMNO politickus works are no different than the stupid “elder son” claim for a “inheritance”, that they don’t stand a chance to preserve it under the wave of globalisation.
Duh!
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 38.41
Sorry can’t understand the point you’re making, zak_hammaad.
There are too many social contracts. One by Rousseau; another 1957 Merdeka Contract; then you suggest another one - “Malay entitlement to political and administrative authority should be accepted unchallenged, at least for the time being, in return for non-interference in Chinese control of the economy”. That’s different from YB Kit’s, probably based on Bangsa Malaysia, which may be also different from Anwar’s. I am confused. Good day also.
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 40.45
what ever bodohwi says it will happen negatively. he say it is rumours he will be getting married and what happen, he got married. now he saying 0n 16th there won’t be any switch over. that means it will happen. when abdullah says Impossible that means possible. flip flop dollah!
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 50.46
Don’t be too hard on AAB. He was the one most unlikely to have become the PM and if you believe in God, he was put there for a purpose - Malaysia has been drifting as a nation far too long and now there is a chance we get the government that will be able to unite the nation and help us all progress.
But let us not be fooled it will be plain sailing from here on.
http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-suggests-najib-apologise.html
September 5th, 2008 at 17: 59.22
Haunting tales
Link: http://www.kingsmary.blogspot.com/
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 10.15
Now I understand why Ahmad Ismail refused to apologize. He sincerely believe there’s nothing wrong with what he has said because the racist culture of UMNO is indoctrinated in UMNO members. So it means Najib’s apology is not sincere, it is just to appease the non-malays.
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 24.53
Penang Umno backs Ahmad Ismail
Sep 5, 08 4:10pm
All 13 Umno divisions in Penang today supported embattled Bukit Bendera Umno chief Ahmad Ismail over his stand not to apologise for making racist remarks against the Chinese community.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/89166
What is goin on ? 826 dun means anything to this bad apple ?
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 29.29
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BREAKING NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Penang Umno backs Ahmad who says Malays have a right to question the citizenship of the Chinese
By Adib Zalkapli
GEORGE TOWN Sept 5 - All 13 Umno divisions in Penang have backed Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail’s decision not to apologise for calling the Chinese in Malaysia immigrants during the recent Permatang Pauh by-election campaign.
Ahmad also threw down a challenge: “If the Chinese can question the special rights of the Malays, the Malays can also question the citizenship of the Chinese.”
His latest outburst and the decision of Penang Umno to support him will certainly raise racial tensions.
The latest development is also a major embarrassment for Umno’s national leadership.
Reacting to demands from Chinese political parties and organisations, Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak had apologised on behalf of Ahmad.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Badawi also said this week that Ahmad did not represent the view of Umno.
At a press conference following a meeting of Penang Umno divisions here today, Ahmad blamed the Chinese media for playing up the issue.
He also asked acting president of Gerakan Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon and other Chinese leaders to instead apologise for being “immature.”
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September 5th, 2008 at 18: 33.30
MM asked: Why did the government allow the Hindu Rights Action Force’s alleged racist remarks to go unchallenged while being very apologetic towards racial accusation against Umno leaders? He also said that when non-Malays uttered a racist remark, the Malays never demanded the authorities to apologise.
Oh yeah? Who are locked up under ISA without trial for so many months?
Will Ahmad Ismail be locked up under ISA?
The police did not even send a masked team to get him to the police station on time for statement!
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 38.55
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September 5th, 2008 at 18: 45.57
(The Star) - Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail has refused to apologise over his racist remark calling the Chinese community “immigrants who do not deserve equal rights”.
“Why should I apologise? I didn’t do anything wrong. Those who do wrong should apologise but I haven’t done anything,” Ahmad said when The Star met him outside his Bayan Baru office yesterday.
So since najib has apologised meaning he has done something wrong like…mog case ?
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 46.04
When we meet an American, we see in him “McDonald’s”, “burgers”, “pizzas”, “potato chips”, “hot dogs”, “NY”, “Manhattan”, “LA”, “NBA”, “baseball”, “American football”, “Michael Jordon”, “Tiger Woods”, “Michael Johnson”, “Mohamad Ali”, “Brad Pitt”, “Oprah Winfrey”, “Lucy Liu”, “Elvis Presley”, “Hollywood”, “Hip-Hop”, “Broadway”,”Jazz”, “Blues”, “cowboys”, “Mickey”, “Sesame Street”, “Levi”, “bikini”, “fast cars” etc etc.
I think in that we could quite definitely identify a “bangsa America”. Of course, it took them several hundred years to get to where they are today. Then again, when they started out, they had no precedents to learn from.
We malaysians have. We also have the benefit of living in a smaller world - a world made small by modern day transportation and ease of communication. The learning curve for us is considerably shorter than for the americans.
At the same time, I am realistic for I dont expect to see us progressing at the speed of flight. I do however hope to see improvement. For instance, from NEP-dependancy to no NEP. From malays only university to university for all. From government contracts for malay contractors only to government contracts for all contractors. This way, and only this way we can see some hope of becoming more uniform as citizens of the country.
What I do not wish to see however are acts that in effect roll the country backwards. Like the silly and illogical and socially destructive BTN programmes. From relatively free press to tightly controlled press. From no internet censorship to internet censorship. I can go on. The list is long.
The question is must we now sit down and determine in advance and with precision what should “bangsa malaysia” constitute?
It is a certainty that there can be no absolute racial harmony and uniformity. We are all born different. We are individuals in our own ways. However, we are not animals that live and work alone. We work in a community. We understand the meaning and essence of social behaviour. And this includes, accepting differences and tolerance. All of these would come naturally in the circumstances.
But when policies are actively pursued and implemented with the aim of creating divisions in the community along whatever lines (race, religion, sex etc etc), then of course the desire to unify, to know and understand each other would be absent.
If I am a pig and Zak is a monkey and we are locked up in a cage. Could we possibly learn to understand each other and tolerate each other and accommodate each other after a while? I dont know. But isnt it good if we can? If so isnt it worth trying? We are not about to kill each other at first encounter. And this alone is a good starting point to try out.
September 5th, 2008 at 18: 56.17
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September 5th, 2008 at 19: 02.09
… continuing from above
Can we pre-determine how we are to work together? Its very much like a marriage. Two parties would have to work things out along the way. New situations will crop up all the time requiring re-adjustments and new approach. How are we to know, to predict? We simply can’t. I have friends who absolutely dislike children. But now they have a several of those little things monkeying about the house. I also have an aggresive high achiever who is now a full time house wife and happy (although complaining).
The bottom line is there must be no criminal wrongdoings. Apart from this no other criteria is needed for everyone to come together. There is no necessity to lay down in advance the meaning and objects of the bangsa malaysia that we strive for. Together we will forge a working basis and a concept that is unique to us.
September 5th, 2008 at 19: 13.43
The whole picture is looking pretty obvious.
Bodowi says, you guys are mistaken, those in BTN don’t mean what they say, those students must have misunderstood. You knowlah those students are still young can misinterprete sensitive issues.
Talking about devils, that bodowi fella is the mother or rather father of all devils. He is lying to his teeth. First class liar. Even the angels dread hearing him. For heavens sake don’t ever think that he is still sleeping or don’t know about it. He is the chief planner..he talks like an angel but you can see for yourself that his actions are vicious and notorious. If you don’t believe you see how he throw mud at Anwar while holding the ball of Najb.
September 5th, 2008 at 19: 22.59
Sorry off topic
///12. It took a long time for me to live down the label as a Malay ultra. I had gained such strong support from the Chinese community in the 1999 Election when the Malays deserted me that I felt I was no longer regarded as a Malay ultra by the Chinese generally (the Opposition Chinese excepted). I was grateful for the Chinese support and I had many times publicly acknowledged that much of Malaysia’s development was due to the dynamic Malaysian Chinese entrepreneurs and businessmen. But of course there are still Chinese who regard me as anti-Chinese.///–TDM in CheDet.com 5 Sept 2008
The people cannot be wrong for a long time to regard TDM as Malay ultra. Those who regarded him as such knew very well the history of the nation based on experience rather than on history book. They saw how the country under Tunku was changed with the participation of TDM. These people who formed the correct opinion did not change their perception of TDM.
The Chinese community held to their bargain when Suqiu group believed wrongly that TDM had finally realized that TDM would change its racist policies for the sake of justice and fairness, and for the benefit of the nation, and voted in 1999 to save TDM. But immediately after the election, TDM negated on his promise of change and further charged that the Suqiu group was communist. The Suqiu group was wrong to indicate the conditions for their support in the election. They should have just voted TDM out of power for his racist policies. They made the same mistake in 2004 thinking that once TDM is gone AAB would change for the better. They had to wait until 2008 to correct their mistakes.
September 5th, 2008 at 19: 27.11
Shame. Total shame. Such brutal naked ruthlessness of open racism and attempt to stay in power.
I have emigrated and intend to stay that way.
September 5th, 2008 at 19: 40.10
“Kalau di waktu kemerdekaan dahulu, saya rasa saya lebih sanggup menerima penjajah British dari kaum pendatang Cina berdasarkan penghargaan dan sensitiviti mereka terhadap budaya tempatan.”
http://refleksidiri.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/retorik-dap-malaysiakini/#comment-69
another bloody racist ahmad wanna-be…. can the BN send these racist ahmad-wannabe for vacation on 10th sept too… malaysia is far more better without these ppl in the country….
September 5th, 2008 at 20: 17.12
Mamak Kudat asked: Why did the government allow the Hindu Rights Action Force’s alleged racist remarks to go unchallenged while being very apologetic towards racial accusation against Umno leaders? He also said that when non-Malays uttered a racist remark, the Malays never demanded the authorities to apologise.
Since wen did the chinese utter racial remarks about the “malays”.??
Can Mamak tell us:-
- why the Hindraf members locked up under ISA?
-why this racial idiot was not locked up too under ISA?
As a matter of fact u also should also be locked up for uttering racial issues recently.
September 5th, 2008 at 20: 29.39
Zak Hammaad, Bangsa Malaysia means,All Malaysian must be treated equally.That is BANGSA MALAYSIA.No KEKUATAN MELAYU, KEKUATAN CHINA,KEKUATAN INDIA .But KEKUATAN MALAYSIAN.
UMNO was not a racist party 30 years ago.But the past 6 years UMNO had become very racial.
September 5th, 2008 at 20: 35.00
Peserta bukan Melayu BTN terpaksa diam walaupun mereka marah dengan isi kandungan yang hanya mengagung-agungkan ketuanan Melayu dan menyerapkan idea India dan Cina sebagai pendatang yang telah diberi rahmat oleh Melayu dengan menganugerahkan status kerakyatan.Mereka disarankan supaya tidak tamak dan jangan menunutut kesamarataan hak. Proses pencucuian otak dilakukan secara bertuli-tuli sehingga mereka bosan dan emosi mereka tertekan. Namun begitu, tiada seorang pun peserta berani bersuara, kerana mereka takut gagal kursus ini. Mereka diberitahu seandainya mereka gagal kursus ini biasiswa mereka akan dibatalkan dan mereka tiada peluang untuk menuntut di luar negara lagi!
September 5th, 2008 at 20: 39.09
Jeffrey Says:
>> As YB Kit is unlikely to respond,
I ask for a chisel and you recommend a hammer! I do not want to know what Yatim has to say on this matter; it is Lim Kit’s answer that I need.
It’s becoming typical of Pakatan leaders to shun serious questions and dialogue in place of empty and hollow slogans like “reformasi” and “bangsa Malaysia”.
The rakyat is listening and reading into the inability of Pakatan to provide precise and detailed answers.
September 5th, 2008 at 20: 43.45
Koh soo koon and Kerakan was disgrace by the the bigotted Ahmad Ismail on the 8 PM news at TV3.He accused KOH SOO KOON of playing up the issue.
He even blame the chiness papers for misquoting him.As usual KOH SOO KOON and the rest of KERAKAN will put their tails between their leg and kiss the feet of UMNO.
If it was someone in MIC MCA PPP or KERAKAN who made a statement againts the MALAYS or UMNO,All hell will break loose ,UMNO will hold a DEMO asking that person to step down.
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 08.44
zak_hammaad
Are you dead serious with your question or are you just fishing? Fifty-one years after Merdeka, you are posing that question?
Never mind. Basically, there are three models in race relations.
Where A is the dominant race,
Assimilation means A plus B = A;
Integration means A + B = plus/minus AB; and
Amalgamation A + B = C.
In between are the hybrids. Now you go figure instead of asking stupeed queestions fifty-one years after Merdeka. By the way, read the book Malayan Problems by Tun Tan Cheng Lock on cultural democracy.
And while you are at it, get your disctionary and look up the word “consociational politics.” Of course, not a 51-year-old dictionary, but a good one. Better still, if it is a political science disctionary, okay …
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 10.03
remember the squat gate issue? we hv our minister running to china to offer our most sincerre apologies and later found out that the lady wasnt from china. a big slap on the forehead of our minister!
now we hv our DPM offering apologies to the chinese community for the racist slur by the great datuk ahmad. but whadya know, datuk ahmad didnt err. accd to him “i did no wrong. the chinese papers misquoted me” Yahoo, a big slap on DPM face.
TQ TQ TQ Datuk Ahmad!!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 14.40
zak_hammaad,
Americans of all races and color are encouraged to proudly call themselves Americans and One Nation of America. But not here in Malaysia.
Why is that? Zak, please enlighten us as to why you believe Bangsa Malaysia and the concept of One Nation of Malaysia is not possible?
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 19.51
* Tulip Crescent, that does not answer my question, that simply glosses over it with fanciful hypothesis. Try telling the Chinese that they will have to become “Malays” for the sake of assimilation or a new hybrid for the sake of amalgamation? Integration is possibly is the most workable model, but then again HOW do we get there? The S’pore model is too frightening for the UMNOputeras. I still hold to the view that geo-social politics will win the day in Malaysia as it does in many nation states.
* Taiking, without national consensus of what Malaysia must be working towards re: Bangsa, how will you get to your destination?
As you may know, the original “Bangsa Malaysia” policy was introduced by Mahathir to create an inclusive national identity for all inhabitants of Malaysia, thus abandoning the National Culture Policy that asserted a Malay ethnic national identity. He said it means “people being able to identify themselves with the country, speak Bahasa Malaysia (the Malay language) and accept the Constitution.”
Wikipedia records that; The policy’s support in the government was however lacking and the UMNOputeras pretty much abandoned it. Abdul Ghani Othman alleged that Bangsa Malaysia was a “nebulous concept” which overstepped the bounds of the Constitution!
However, Lim Keng Yaik, a Minister in the federal government, insisted that Bangsa Malaysia was an official government policy. Other Ministers also criticised Ghani’s statement; one said that the policy “has nothing to do with one race given a pivotal role over others”, while another said that “It does not impinge on the rights of Bumiputeras or other communities.” DPM Najib argued that attempting to define the policy from a political viewpoint was pointless, as it had no official standing in the Constitution, and called for the debate to cease. He also said that “Bangsa Malaysia means we do not evaluate someone by his skin colour, race or religion,” and contradicted Ghani, saying: “It does not question the special rights of the Malays, our quota or anything of that sort.” Ghani insisted, however, that those advocating Bangsa Malaysia were echoing Lee Kuan Yew’s call for a “Malaysian Malaysia” made during the early 1960s when Singapore was a state in Malaysia, even though the campaign had been repudiated by the government (because of PAP’s interference in peninsular politics and working to deprive Malays of their political powers).
The conflict may stem from the different meanings of the word “bangsa”, which can mean either race or nation. Although the concept of a Malaysian race could be confusing, perhaps taking Bangsa Malaysia to imply a Malaysian nation would be more sensible and workable in the example that taiking gave above.
I however still hold to the view that geo-social politics will win the day. There is more chance of a Malay becoming PM of S’pore than there is of a Chinese becoming PM of M’sia (i.e. zilch!); But as one comment stated, we can all dream can’t we?
Night night.
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 24.24
Make that many many slaps on DPM as now the whole Penang UMNO is backing Ismail the terror. I see the end of BN is not far…….
September 5th, 2008 at 21: 35.05
zak_TheBeever Says:
“Malay entitlement to political and administrative authority should be accepted unchallenged, at least for the time being, in return for non-interference in Chinese control of the economy”.
“Critics too have a point when they say that you won’t find the term “Malay rights” in the supreme law of our land.” - Zak
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YO! BEEVER read this…
The Constitution does not explicitly refer to a “social contract” (in terms of citizenship rights and privileges), and no act of law or document has ever fully set out the social contract’s terms. Its defenders often refer to the Constitution as setting out the social contract, and the Malaysian founding fathers having agreed to it, no reference to a “social contract” appears in the Constitution.
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Zak Says:
“This is the aspect of the contract that UMNOputras have failed miserably to explain to the new generation.”
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September 5th, 2008 at 21: 49.50
Royal professor Hussein Alatas clarified that There Was No Such Thing as the Social Contract.
Why has everybody ignored his declaration?
Old fox introduced it and MCA Gerakan and MIC lapped it up.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 01.53
In an earlier thread Zak said that because a religion is recognised as official it has a higher status than others. Adherents of the official religion by extension have a higher status other non adherents? Caste system? If that is the case then concept of Bangsa Malaysia and One Nation is difficult for him to grasp.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 17.59
wow — posted 4 hours ago and still awaiting moderation!
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 19.27
Swipenter,
Probably Zak can confirm what he actually meant but Islam being the official religion of the country and embraced by a majority of the population (>60%) would mean that naturally Malaysia will have a more Islamic outlook. Hence why we have Syariah laws, strong emphasise on Islam etc. This should not mean that other religions are inferior, it just means that the religion of the majority i.e. Islam in Malaysia would naturally be more prominent and influential in setting the course of the country.
This is the basis of democracy - the majority gets their way but this should not be at the expense of the minorities. This also means the minorities will need to accept the wishes of the majority, irrespective of what they feel about it.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 38.13
imranj78,
What you said in the last para is inherently contradictory. How do we reconcile the contradictions and that is what I think lots of people are looking for answers to it.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 41.01
I don’t know that one of the ten commandments of God is ” Thou shalt not blog “.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 49.04
swipenter,
Yes I must agree that it seem inherently contradictory. But you must agree that there is no such thing as an `ideal’ democracy in which everybody gets their way. What i wrote is the painful truth, not only in Malaysia but all around the world.
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 59.27
Watching the 8pm news today and hearing what Ahmad Ismail said was amusing. He had with him at the press conference a bunch of his supporters. Was it a political rally? One was prone to ask.
He denied saying anything wrong or racist in nature and that someone from the media twisted what he uttered with evil intentions.
He even criticised Dr Koh Tsu Koon, saying he was a “great actor” and that he had known him for the past 18 years. Ahmad said Dr Koh should have checked the facts with him before making any comments and jumping to conclusion. He also accused Dr Koh of taking advantage of the situation for his own political mileage. One wonders what Dr Koh’s take would be on that?
What Ahmad Ismail did not mention was the apology the deputy prime minister extended, on UMNO’s behalf, to the chinese for what he was alleged to have uttered during the Permatang Pauh by-election.
If what Ahmad Ismail said in the press conference was correct, then what exactly did the DPM apologise for? Is he accusing the DPM, just as he had similarly accused Dr Koh, of not checking with him on the facts first before offering his apologies?
If we take what Ahmad Ismail said at face value: that he was referring to the early chinese immigrants in his Permatang Pauh speech, one would be prompted to venture to ask what his intentions were. And what did the early chinese immigrants have to do with the Permatang Pauh by-election, anyway? Was he trying to summoned the dead chinese immigrants to support his campaign for his preferred election candidate? Else why mentioned those dead people in his speech? Mind boggling indeed. Perhaps he wish to explain?
Anyway, the dead early chinese immigrants whom Ahmad Ismail referred to in his PP speech, whom he claimed not to have any special rights as the malays under the constitution ( which did not even exist then ) had already happily claimed their rightful eternal place of rest somewhere in the not-yet-formed Malaya then.
What is going on here?
September 5th, 2008 at 22: 59.31
//The rakyat is listening and reading into the inability of Pakatan to provide precise and detailed answers.// - zak_hammaad
No, no, no I would say to the contrary. The rakyat is listening and reading into the inability of BN to provide precise and detailed answers. The country is faced with an inflation crisis, judiciary crisis, corruption crisis and what more a government-in-crisis. Still, BN has not provided precise and detailed answers. But they OUGHT to. Because they are ‘governing’, if at all we can use that word to describe its conduct.
Hurling accusations like “…becoming typical of Pakatan leaders to shun serious questions and dialogue in place of empty and hollow slogans…” does not necessarily lend any credence to BN/UMNO’s claim of having fostered harmonious multicutural, multiracial and multireligious society in Malaysia. On the other hand, it is because of BN/UMNO’s failed divisive racial/religious policies that right thinking Malaysian have the right and justification to support and advance the cause of ‘Bangsa Malaysia’.
If all you could do with a tool is to cause destruction, then don’t blame others if you are given a dummy (so you can perfect the art of dummy-spitting) when you asked for a chisel.
September 5th, 2008 at 23: 08.54
imranj78,
The truth need not be painful but reconciliatory; to find a satisfactory and friendly way of dealing between majority and minority. Divide and rule is definitely a painful truth for our country and her people.
September 5th, 2008 at 23: 09.43
will the farming trip to australia derail sep 16 ??
they do everything (with good timing) but always deny point blank.
September 5th, 2008 at 23: 11.11
Wonder if there is any similar BTN indoctrination in other countries for their young scholarship holders? Telling them all the minority races in their country are inferior, should be 2nd class citizen etc.
This BTN could be unique in this world, Another Malaysia Boleh??
September 5th, 2008 at 23: 17.59
Ahmad Ismail is just trying to fly kite as high as he could but obviously, he’s just bullsh*ting.
History ? come on man, I am not 3 year’s old and so are so all us here.
He had really snubbed his own boss, fire some loose cannons at KTK , Sin Chew. And what did Mohd Zain said ? criticising Chinese and Hindus on the brouhaha of Islam conversion issues and quite on Christian conversions ? err…. I don’t think Chinese and Hindus have much chance to voice on that. Just look at the Bar Council forums on the legal complication issues that arised from spouses conversion.
That itself has caused a furore. For Chinese and Hindus, the complications issues arised from conversions to Christian are much less complicated as there is no Syariah or oher religious laws. From this legal perspective, both Muslim and non Muslim’s rights has to be protected equally.
Well, then again, Ameno Penang has got nothing more to bark but the wrong trees.
Pak Lah and Najib has really lost their grip. it’s gone…. I don’t see any chance of Najib being the future PM with Ameno Penang rebelling against him now.
September 5th, 2008 at 23: 18.46
“Wonder if there is any similar BTN indoctrination in other countries for their young scholarship holders” -cheng
Yes, in Zimbabwe they do it. It is called “ZOO” - meaning Zimbabwe’s Orientation about Outsiders.
And the chief ZOO-keeper is known as M.O.R.O.N. The acronym stands for Mamak’s Overseas Recruit On Nepotism.