There are at least five reasons why Umno Deputy President Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s apology on behalf of Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail for the latter’s derogatory, offensive, insensitive and racist reference of the Chinese as “squatters” and untrustworthy Malaysians is inappropriate, inadequate and unacceptable.
Firstly, why is there no public response from Ahmad Ismail himself, who have shown no sense of contrition or remorse whatsoever in the past nine days for his racist slurs of the Malaysian Chinese? Is Ahmad Ismail fully confident that he has the mainstream support of Umno leaders and members, encouraging him to show contempt for the nation-wide furore?
Secondly, how can Najib’s second-hand apology on behalf of Ahmad Ismail be acceptable when Ahmad continues to be defiant and unrepentant? Even if Ahmad Ismail tenders an apology, the question of its adequacy will arise, following the precedent set by the Cabinet in the Wee Meng Chee case over his “Negaraku” rap video-clip last year, when the Cabinet rejected Wee’s apology as inadequate.
Many police reports have been lodged against Ahmad for violating the Sedition Act. Is Najib’s apology meant to be a message to the Police and the Attorney-General that Ahmad should get off scot-free instead of having to face the full weight of the law?
Thirdly, Najib should apologise on behalf of himself and not on behalf of Ahmad as Najib had failed to take immediate or prompt action to reprimand Ahmad for the latter’s racist and seditious speech at a Permatang Pauh by-election ceramah on August 24 which was attended by Najib.
Fourthly, the Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi himself should make a public apology for trying to protect and excuse Ahmad Ibrahim for the racist and seditious speech, with the totally unacceptable claim that the Bukit Bendera Umno division chief had not meant what he said and that he would “tell him not to do it again”.
The Prime Minister’s attempt to condone Ahmad’s racist speech caused outrage among right-thinking Malaysians especially as it is the latest example of a series of extremist, racist and seditious outbursts by Umno leaders, such as Umno MPs shouting “Balik Cina” in Parliament and a keris-wielding Umno Youth leader-cum-Education Minister.
Fifthly, the bona fide of Najib’s apology comes into question when this news is blacked out in the Malay mainstream newspapers owned and controlled by UMNO, in particular Utusan Malaysia and Berita Harian. A check with Bernama online shows that Najib’s apology is reported in Bernama’s English news but blacked out in Bernama’s Bahasa Malaysia news.
With such media manipulation of his apology, how much is one to believe Najib when he said that Ahmad’s statement did not reflect the position and attitude of Umno or the leadership of Umno?
If Najib is fully sincere and serious about this statement of the stand of Umno and Umno leadership in dissociating from Ahmad’s speech, why is his statement only allowed to be reported in the non-Malay mainstream media but not in the Malay mainstream media?
#1 by jjireh99 on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 5:08 pm
why do we have to go on and on and on and on about this issue??? Knowing full well that even if he apologises, it’s too late and not sincere! So, let’s just for once and for all, KICK THE WHOLE UMNO FELLAS INCLUDING MCA ESPECIALLY OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!! DON’T FORGET ALSO, TDM AND GANG ARE ALSO NOT WELCOMED TO RULE OVER US!!!! PLEASE GUYS, THEY ARE HISTORY, WE CANNOT TAKE BACK GARBAGE. I’M SERIOUS!!!!! LET’S GET DSAI AS OUR NEXT PM-IN-WAITING!!!!!
#2 by boh-liao on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 5:33 pm
This is Bulan Suci Ramadhan. Should we expect people not to tell lies, not to be insincere, not to cheat, not to practice corruptions, not to lock up innocent until proven guilty people, not to ……?
#3 by tonysam18 on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 5:47 pm
It is very obvious what the DPM is doing. It is very simple. DPM Najib is the mastermind . He said I am the boss and tell Datuk Ahmad Ismail the runner to go and do it. If no repercussion, very well said . If have any repercussion, the boss will come and apologise . Just imagine if the boss said that and when the rakyat object and there is no more superior to cover up. Wnat will happen.
The DPM is not too stupid. But this trick has been used too many a time.
#4 by badak on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 6:32 pm
UMNO is doom.Heard about the”" RAHMAN FACTOR.”"
1st PM Rahman
2nd PM ABDUL RAZAK
3rd PM HUSSIEN ONN
4th PM MAHATHIR
5th PM ABDULLAH
6th pm NAJIB….. I don,t think so . The next PM is NIK AZIZ. All BN leaders beware
#5 by AsalUsuLMalaysiaHacked on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 6:33 pm
Im sure Zak(the beever) was having sushi-salmon while pleasure his climax by pissing off ppl in here, and good day.
#6 by cheng on on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 6:49 pm
Ahmad Ismail, since you dont like the Chinese, dont trust them. etc.
Pls then you and yr family members, have nothing to do with Chinese (include all Chinese outside Msia), dont buy anything from them, shopkeeper, dont deal with any chinese doctor, engineer, house builder, car repairer, electrician, plumber, transport provider, hawker, wiremen, make sure all the parts in yr cars, all yr household aircond, etc, all yr kids toy, computers, handphones, utensil, TV, etc etc, nothing from China, Taiwan, HK, Spore or Macau (all these places hv many Chinese). Even if you buy something made in Msia, ensure it is not made by Chinese.
Ensure your eggs, chicken, vegetables, rice, fish, cooking oil, cakes, bread, ice cream, etc are not produced by Chinese, your RM100 or RM50 bill not produced or touched by Chinese hands etc etc, OK ?
You should also urge all yr friends to follow you!
#7 by ktteokt on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 6:57 pm
If BN was so eager to pass the DNA Bill due to its urgency (for use on DSAI), they should also consider this as an emergency which needed an “instant antidote”. Shouldn’t they pass a Race Relation Bill now???
#8 by Godfather on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 8:02 pm
As far as Zak the foreigner is concerned, no one is good enough for him to be the PM of Bolehland. He thinks very lowly of Badawi (thank goodness for that), but then he also thinks very lowly of Anwar, Kit and Karpal.
As far as Zak is concerned, the only appropriate PM is his hero the Mamak.
Emily, good for you to tell this foreigner to … off. We are in charge of our own destiny, not some brown-nosing foreigner who got his break from the criminal mamak.
#9 by lchk on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 8:10 pm
zak posted:
“I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that the Malays would rather die than to give up their political powers; that too to a minority race and/or non-Muslims.”
Your statement is an attempt to discredit the legitimacy of non-Malay rights in Malaysia.
You aren’t a Malay – hence you do not speak for the Malays.
A self-proclaimed “foreigner” like you have no say whatsoever in the election of politicians in this country – you aren’t eligible to vote.
#10 by Malaysian Mummy on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 9:48 pm
Malaysia had achieved 51 years old but many uncivilised BN politicians especially UMNO veterans like Ahmad Ismail still think that playing racist issue to hurt other non-Malays will influence Malay voters to change their mind to vote for UMNO candidate in Permatang Pauh.
The by election result breakdown showed 62% Malay and 77% non-Malay voters voted Dato’ Seri Anwar but minority less than 30% voted for UMNO. This result proven Malaysians are matured and smart to believe UMNO is corrupted with money politic and nepotism and cronisym. Listen , read and see what happen when chairs and tables are flying and fighting over UMNO division campaign in Seremban. How greedy a 60 years old UMNO veteran division head with few term ADUNs still fighting over the division head position? Similar Ahmad Ismail is an oldman from UMNO Bkt Bendera divison head wants to become UMNO Hero to insult non-Malay people to proof his point that he has bad evil mind to cause UMNO appointed candidate to lose badly and destroy Dato Arif, another UMNO leader who understand Chinese language and cultures. Ahmad dengki and jealous Arif will control UMNO division election this coming UMNO campaign if Arif wins the by election in Permatang Pauh.
The insider UMNO members war campaigns will cause more political instability in BN and potential more racist remarks will be uttered by irresponsible UMNO division heads or members in order to insult non-Malays to proof their arrogance on Ketuanan Melayu. Their bad faiths in using corruptions, slanders, money politics and racist remarks shall continue to win more UMNO members votes.
As we see, read and write it !
Melayu Mudah Lupa – said Tun Dr M critised on Malay community. Even Tun Dr M always to criticised the foreigners. But why cant a foreigner critised Malaysia if BN is a corrupt government today- said Tun Dr M too….so…grow up babies like ICHK and others! Dont you know another 4 more years – Malaysia will celebrate its 55 years old retirement plan. It is time to let Pakatan Rakyat to replace old racist ideology of BN with more dynamic multi-racial society and better social contact regardless of races or religions.
Sept 16 is a Dooms Day for BN if Pakatan Rakyat shall rise and walk tall into PutraJaya soon.
Hidup Bangsa Malaysia.
#11 by kerishamuddinitis on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 10:22 pm
Cheng On is SPOT ON. Yes, let’s dredge the past for similar insults and threats to Chinese in Malaysia, made by UMNO leaders. Let’s remind the Chinese community what second class citizens we are. For the past 50 years! Most of all let’s remind the absolutely irrelevant MCA and near-defunct GERAKAN that they stood by and condoned the actions of these Malay leaders as they spewed RACIST threats and insults at the Chinese. MCA does not know it is now DEAD. It doesn’t realise it is DEAD! They are so filled with self-importance to the point of being delusional that they still represent the CHINESE community. Man, they have no idea that a great many Chinese would gladly spit on them! Look at them playing their stupid party games for their party elections.
The Malay leader who made the threat to ‘soak the keris in Chinese blood’ in 1987 – he must apologise! His current apology ‘on-behalf’ is invalid until he makes clean himself over his own seditious remarks. Kerishamuddin wielded the keris and threatened, then subsequently tried to insult the intelligence of the Chinese. Now, Ahmad ‘immigrant’. How many more of these idiots are there left in UMNO?
I tell my kids this is how Malaysia regards them, 4th generation Chinese born in this country. When the leadership of this country is UNWILLING to come down hard and punish such idiots, then the leadership is saying to us, Chinese, we are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. [deleted]
#12 by zak_hammaad on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 10:56 pm
Cheng and Emily, I want you to name me THREE countries of the world where a citizen from the “minority race” came the leader for the majority race.
Obama is not president yet and strictly speaking is not Black enough in the traditional sense of the word, however I will let you include him in your list for the sake of argument.
#13 by AhPek on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 11:06 pm
“LKS is plotting to be the first Chinese non-Muslim DPM.Only time will tell how this will go down with the Malays.”. zak-hamaad.
I am completely taken aback by the reaction of many commentors. Worse still quite a few even went to the extent of putting words in his mouth and using it to criticise him for things he didn’t say!!
The above statement made is his observation of the Malaysian scene which to a large extent I find it could be true.The racial and religious polarisation has become very much uglier over the last 5 or 6 years.When I was a schoolboy back in the fifties and sixties many of us can count Malays to be some of our good friends if not our best friends.We can quite freely pop into their kampong house and they into ours and even have food with us.Today throughout the country there is no more such scene and right from the start of school children have been segregated. This was first started somewhere in the mid-seventies and today a significant number has already reached voting age plus those from the Malay schools during the British time will make a sizable number who will vote based on race and religion.Is it any wonder if zak cast his doubt whether the Malays (51% of Malaysia’s population) would accept YB as DPM? Zak did not question the suitability of YB KIT. IT IS A FAIR QUESTION.
#14 by zak_hammaad on Wednesday, 3 September 2008 - 11:06 pm
lchk Says:
>> Your statement is an attempt to discredit the legitimacy of non-Malay rights in Malaysia.
It is less about legitimacy and more about acceptability. In the face of social demographics, the minorities should be happy with equal and just representation.
On a further note, the truth is that Malaysia hasn’t had 100% ethnic Malay PM for years, not since the time of Tun Abdul Razak. This shows that Malays of Malaysia are happy to be ruled by other ethnicity, as long as they practise “Malay culture” and are Muslim.
Mahathir’s father came from Kerala. Hussein Onn’s stock came from Turkey and Badawi’s from China. Of the three main leaders in Pakatan, who do you think would be most acceptable as PM?
Abdul Hadi Awang wouldn’t be acceptable to Malaysian Chinese and other non Muslims. Lim Kit Siang wouldnt be acceptable to the Muslims and the Malays. Anwar has the Malay street divided and there is a big ? mark over his head.
In short, only a “Malay” can represent a Malay and by association, a Muslim at that. I personally believe that Malaysia will not see a non-Malay Prime Minister or DPM in this century; such is the stupidity of identifying race with religion.
I wonder however what would happen if Dr Wan Azizah declared her candidacy? Could she became Malaysia’s first ethnic Chinese PM? Interestingly thought indeed.
#15 by AsalUsuLMalaysiaHacked on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 1:21 am
WOiiii!… “Zak the beever” who are you to say they(OUR LEADER) were not acceptable or NOT? You dont know us, we dont even wants to know you so beat it!.
SHOO!~ stfu before i threw my kayak piddle on your face and make you chew with it.
Good day!
#16 by Malaysian Always on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 2:03 am
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/9/3/nation/20080903161006&sec=nation
i wonder how come they never get special SWAT team police to go arrest him like they did Anwar
#17 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 4:20 am
“Secondly, how can Najib’s second-hand apology on behalf of Ahmad Ismail be acceptable when Ahmad continues to be defiant ….”
I think Najib should swear on the Qur’an that he is really sorry.
#18 by cheng on on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:27 am
zak_hammaad Says:
Yesterday at 23: 06.33
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(I personally believe that Malaysia will not see a non-Malay Prime Minister or DPM in this century; such is the stupidity of identifying race with religion.)
Wa ! Aren’t you greedy, you want to predict event for even 2nd half of this century ! Most of us in this blog would not be arouind by 2051 ! Things may move faster than you believe.
#19 by erik on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 11:20 am
Uncle Lim,
A friend of mine attended a dinner in Bangkok on 28/08/08, which was hosted by the Sepak Takraw Assoc, (our national team took part in the Kings Cup). This [deleted] ahmad ismail is one of the officials for the takraw team and in the dinner, he said that he’ll never apologize for the remarks he made. My friend was seated at that table and is very furious about it. Apparently he didn’t realized that there’s a ‘pendatang’ at that table!
#20 by Emily Pratt on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 1:36 pm
Zak said: “Cheng and Emily, I want you to name me THREE countries of the world where a citizen from the “minority race” came the leader for the majority race.
Obama is not president yet and strictly speaking is not Black enough in the traditional sense of the word, however I will let you include him in your list for the sake of argument.”
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1) Alberto Fujimori of Chile
2) Dr Mahathir Mohd of Bolehland
3) Barack Obama of USA (coming soon)
What is your point?
EP
#21 by Emily Pratt on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 1:39 pm
Erik said: “A friend of mine attended a dinner in Bangkok on 28/08/08, which was hosted by the Sepak Takraw Assoc, (our national team took part in the Kings Cup). This [deleted] ahmad ismail is one of the officials for the takraw team and in the dinner, he said that he’ll never apologize for the remarks he made. My friend was seated at that table and is very furious about it. Apparently he didn’t realized that there’s a ‘pendatang’ at that table!”
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Better he does not apologize, it makes the decision easier for the BN component parties to leave BN.
EP
#22 by AhPek on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 3:43 pm
Alberto Fujimori is the former President of PERU and is sentenced to 6 years jail for abuse of authority.
#23 by Emily Pratt on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 4:06 pm
Thanks AhPek for the correction.
EP
#24 by akarmalaysian on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 4:45 pm
now u knw how arrogant some of these umno idiots hv become.they think they own malaysia.and the think they rule this country.i dun condemn umno but these are the sort of people dats causing disharmony among malaysians.people like this wont and cant go far in achieving watever vision of harmony or porosperity for this country.people like this we can do without cause they are a hindrance to nations stability and harmony.they will only talk abt their own race for their own benefit.we are the “pendatangs” dats been bring full load of cultures into this country.we are the “pendatangs” dats been making this country special with various cultures.we are the “pendatangs” dats been giving a lot of people opportunities for greedy people like u to be whr u are today.we are the “pendatangs” dats been helping malaysia to grow to where it is today.and we “pendatangs” eat our meals fr the mouth unlike ahmad ismail who eat fr their sssss.and umno leaders cant even do a thing abt this stupid ahmad ismail.suckers!
#25 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 5:33 pm
Emily Pratt, you can cut no. 2 out for a start.
>> What is your point?
The point if that here are not even 3 states you can name where a citizen from the “minority race” became the leader for the majority race. This is because it is a bizarre and unacceptable proposition to almost all nation states.
The example of Peru actually justifies my point further, where his methods drew charges of authoritarianism and human rights violations. He is alleged to be responsible for a number of human rights abuses during his presidency, for which he is currently facing trial. Fujimori is currently serving a six-year prison sentence for abuse of power. The rest you can look up on authoritative websites.
Now it could be that Fujimori who is Japanese by race and held dual citizenship, was unfortunate and that his macroeconomic success in Peru has been over-shadowed. Nevertheless, it is an example that shows a corruption-ridden 10 year premiership. A poll conducted in March 2005 by the Instituto de Desarrollo e Investigación de Ciencias Económicas (IDICE) indicated that 12.1% of the respondents intended to show support for him.
Good day.
#26 by taiking on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 6:35 pm
Star Online today, 4th Sept 2008, reported this:
“A visit by The Star to his house in Taman Robina in Butterworth showed that his luxury bungalow, complete with a swimming pool, had been torn down.”
One would need to expand quite a bit of money to build a bungalow. And more if one wants it luxurious. And to add a swimming pool? Oh that would be an extra (at least) RM100,000 one would need to bear.
And then tear all that down?
There are only two reasons for doing this. One, the existing bungalow is too old and is full of problems – usually leakage. Two, to upgrade the luxury bungalow to another level of luxury.
Leakage problems can always be remedied (just dont engage the same contractor who repaired the parliament roof) unless the leakage is due to ground water seepage (i.e. high water table situation).
I am not saying or implying anything. Just thinking aloud.
#27 by LBJ on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:24 pm
Do Not Worry. Najib’s and Badawi’s apology is invalidated. So now MCA and Gerakan can leave BN with clear conscience.
Reported in The Star:
Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail has refused to apologise over his alleged racist remark calling the Chinese community “immigrants who do not deserve equal rights”.
“Why should I apologise? I didn’t do anything wrong. Those who do wrong should apologise but I haven’t done anything,” Ahmad said, when met outside his Bayan Baru office Thursday.
#28 by billykbk on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 8:26 pm
Now, this Ahmad guy dares all sane M’sians. He has refused to apologise saying he had done nothing wrong. So, Najis & Sleepyhead can both go and fly kite!
#29 by mareshian on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 9:55 pm
This is bloody ridiculous. It’s the 21st century. We just celebrated our 51st year and now a chief of a political party is calling the party members of a component party and millions of tax-paying Malaysians ‘immigrants who do not deserve equal rights”… disappearing for days and later coming back saying NO apologies are required because he did NOTHING wrong.
NOTHING.
NOTHING.
This is NOTHING to him.
Apparently, Millions of people are in the wrong not him.
Yet something tells me (sadly) that he is going to get away with it.
Ni example “Masa election “kawan”, Lepas election “lawan”.” BN will no more have a reason to gain the trust of the Chinese if they do not fix this … this… for the lack of a better word, “imbecile”.
#30 by ktteokt on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:19 pm
Does that mean Ahmad is starting a mutiny? If Najib as VP of UMNO has openly “apologised” and Ahmad who is just a small-fry in UMNO can ignore “instructions” from above, it simply amounts to MUTINY within UMNO!!!!!!
#31 by fish-warezmasterz on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:48 pm
hello Malaysians…read this,from our ex-PM,Dr Mahathir.he knows lot more than us..read only if you are Malaysian,understand Malaysia language..dont BLAME UMNO for a mistake done by 1 single people..ALL MALAYSIANS never blame chinese people when NAMEWEE sang stupid lame song!!! or indian when stupid actions done by HINDRAF!! be fair,or you are true racist!!!
———read this fellas…
“Pohon Maaf”
1. Baru-baru ini Kerajaan dan Timbalan Perdana Menteri serta Menteri-Menteri sibuk memohon maaf kepada orang Cina dan India kerana apa yang dikatakan kata-kata yang dianggap sebagai terlalu perkauman (racist) yang telah disebut oleh beberapa pemimpin Melayu.
2. Sebenarnya orang Melayu sekarang amat takut jika mereka diberi label “racist”. Mereka menulis dalam akhbar yang orang Melayu bukan racist. Demikianlah ketakutan mereka sehingga apabila hak mereka di buruk-burukan dan diserang, mereka tidak berani mempertahankan diri mereka.
3. Malang bagi TPM dan Kerajaan Dato Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi setelah memohon maaf secara terbuka permohonan maaf daripada pemimpin tertinggi Umno ditolak oleh pemimpin-pemimpin kaum berkenaan. Mereka menuntut supaya orang yang perkatakan perkataan yang dilabel “racist” sendiri memohon maaf.
4. Satu lagi peristiwa yang memalukan ialah apabila Kerajaan hantar seorang Menteri untuk minta maaf daripada Kerajaan Cina kerana kononnya wanita rakyat negara Cina telah ditelanjang oleh polis dan ini direkod dalam video.
5. Kemudian didapati wanita itu bukan rakyat negara Cina dan bukan pun Cina Malaysia. Dia adalah seorang perempuan Melayu.
6. Sebaliknya, apabila orang yang bukan Melayu mengeluar perkataan atau catitan yang boleh ditafsir sebagai racist, orang Melayu tidak pernah tuntut supaya pihak berkuasa memohon maaf.
7. Dalam Memo Hindraf ke Perdana Menteri UK banyak perkataan yang terlampau dan racist terdapat didalamnya. Contoh:
a) Kerajaan dikatakan dibantu oleh “Islamic Extremist violent armed terrorists” (orang Melayu)
b) Mereka berkata Kerajaan Malaysia melakukan “Ethnic Cleansing” iaitu Kerajaan sedang membunuh dan menghapuskan orang Tamil.
c) 100 orang keturunan India “ditetak dan dibunuh oleh Kerajaan yang dikuasai oleh UMNO.” Perbuatan ini kononnya adalah “mini genocide” (pembunuhan beramai-ramai mini)
d) Tiap tiga minggu kuil Hindu diroboh.
e) Kerajaan yang kononnya dikuasai oleh UMNO telah lancar serangan bersenjata dengan 600 anggota polis, polis simpanan, pelampau Islam dan pengganas (terrorist) bersenjata (orang Melayu).
f) Pegawai Bandaraya dan Polis dikatakan membaling batu dan menyerang orang Hindu dengan pisau, kayu dan batang besi. Kononya 20 orang Hindu mengalami cedera parah.
8. Tulisan dalam memo Hindraf ini bukan sahaja racist tetapi juga “seditious”(hasutan).
9. Seorang penuntut universiti Wee Meng Chee telah perlekehkan Negaraku dengan mengguna lagu Negaraku tetapi dengan lirik yang mempermainkan sembahyang dan azan orang Melayu (Islam). Azan dijadikan duet lagu cinta.
10. Apakah mereka dikehendaki memohon maaf? Apakah pemimpin mereka dikehendaki memohon maaf? Jauh sekali. Sebenarnya Wee dipertahan oleh pemimpin-pemimpin parti Cina dan anggota Hindraf dibebaskan daripada tahanan dan ada yang dengan bebasnya bertanding dalam pilihanraya dan menang menjadi wakil rakyat.
11. Mereka menuntut supaya tidak ada diskriminasi oleh Kerajaan. Tetapi nampaknya mereka bukan sahaja bebas malah mendapat kehormatan dengan dipanggil “Yang Berhormat” setelah berkata perkataan yang amat keterlaluan bahkan merupa hasutan.
12. Soalnya kenapakah Kerajaan berat sebelah, menyembunyi kata-kata racist Hindraf tetapi melapur dengan meluas apa yang dikatakan oleh pemimpin Melayu. Kenapakah Menteri keturunan India atau ketua-ketua kaum India tidak dikehendaki memohon maaf?
13. Sesungguhnya keadaan hubungan antara kaum bukan lebih baik hasil PRU 2008, tetapi ia menjadi amat buruk. Mungkin saya dituduh sebagai menyumbang kepada keadaan melalui tulisan saya. Tetapi pada saya amatlah tidak adil jika satu pihak dapat kebebasan sedangkan pihak yang ditohmah tidak boleh buka mulut.
#32 by zak_hammaad on Thursday, 4 September 2008 - 10:57 pm
LBJ, MCA and Gerakan together hold 17 seats in parliament. If they decide to join Pakatan, this would bode well for Anwar. However Anwar can not bribe everyone with guarantees of positions and promotions. It would be moreso a cross-over of convenience rather than any real acceptance of the opposition’s vision.
#33 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:06 am
zak_hammaad Says:
Yesterday at 22: 56.01
(Cheng and Emily, I want you to name me THREE countries of the world where a citizen from the “minority race” came the leader for the majority race.
Obama is not president yet and strictly speaking is not Black enough in the traditional sense of the word, however I will let you i…….) Well Mr Zak,
Papua New Guinea, Prime Minister Julius Chan (Chen Zhongmin), 1980-82, 1994-97, Chinese
Guyana: President Arthur Chung (Zhong Yase), 1970-80, Chinese
Jamaica: Edward Seaga, 1980-89, Ethnic Lebanese,
France: Sarkozky, current, Ethnic Hungarian
Thailand, Chuan Leekpai & Thaksin, Ethnic Chinese
Philippine, President Mrs Aquinos, Ethnic Chinese,
Singapore, President, Devan Nair, Benjamin Shears, Indian, Eurasian
Only wan 3 countries, give you 7, (exclude Obama)
#34 by AhPek on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:57 am
Julius Chan is a mixed blood, Chinese father and Papua New Guinean mother> In fact his mother’s gene is more dominant making him look more native than Chinese!
#35 by AhPek on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 1:07 am
In a strict sense,President Arthur Chung’s position is one of ceremonial position and when it was turned to executive in 1980 he was replaced.So are the various people who sit as Singapore President.Strictly they are not ruling their country ,that function is in the hands of the executive,the Prime Minister of Singapore.
#36 by zak_hammaad on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:16 pm
cheng, I knew it was a matter of time when someone was going to rush headlong towards answering my question without reading the question! Now let’s dissect and analyse your post:
>> Papua New Guinea, Prime Minister Julius Chan (Chen Zhongmin), 1980-82, 1994-97, Chinese
He was PM from 1980 to 1982 and from 1994 to 1997. Like the previous example of Fujimori, you better brush up on your history re: Sandline affair. Immense public protests and a 10-day mutiny by the underpaid national army prompted him to resign. Their political system makes it easy for many to stand for election. Britain remains heavily involved in PNG.
Have you seen a picture of Julius Chan? Does he look like an ETHNIC CHINESE to you!?
>> Guyana: President Arthur Chung (Zhong Yase), 1970-80, Chinese
He was President of Guyana from 1970 to 1980. He was the first ethnic Chinese (Hakka) president in a non-Asian country. During his time as President, the office was that of a CEREMONIAL head of state, with REAL power in the hands of Prime Minister Forbes Burnham. This example is unnacceptable!
>> Jamaica: Edward Seaga, 1980-89, Ethnic Lebanese,
Was PM from 1980 to 1989. He was born to Jamaican parents of Lebanese and Scottish descent. Therefore not “ethnic Lenanese”!
>> France: Sarkozky, current, Ethnic Hungarian
His mother was french/greek descent. French people refer to “The legal residents and citizens of France, regardless of ancestry”. For a legal discussion, see “French nationality law”.
>> Thailand, Chuan Leekpai & Thaksin, Ethnic Chinese
CL had half-Chinese parentage like most Trang locals (therefore not 100% ethnic Chinese). Chuan’s second government enacted several economic reforms for which it was severely criticised. Please also see “Raluek Leekpai scandal”.
Don’t even get me started on Thaksin. Thaksin’s great-grandfather was a Hakka Chinese immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong. Independent bodies, including Amnesty International, who also expressed concern at Thaksin’s human rights record. Human Rights Watch described Thaksin as “a human rights abuser of the worst kind”.
>> Philippine, President Mrs Aquinos, Ethnic Chinese,
Born in Tarlac, a member of one of the richest Chinese-mestizo families in the Philippines – mestizo is a term employed in the Philippines to denote Filipinos of mixed indigenous Filipino (Austronesian) and foreign ancestry. Therefore she was NOT an “ethnic Chinese”.
>> Singapore, President,
Do not insult the readership’s intelligence. Everyone knows that the President office is purely CEREMONIAL. The president holds no real power!
My question was: “I want you to name me THREE countries of the world where a citizen from the “minority race” came the leader for the majority race.” – A leader is someone who rules a country and holds executive powers! You have also wrongly used “ethnic” label very incorrectly as none of your examples are “ethnic” of one race at all.
This would be no different than Mahathir’s paternal lineage hailing from Kerala or Badawi’s from Hainan!
You should be ashamed of yourself for your lack of researched answers!
#37 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:42 pm
Zak, if u wan to get personal, I’m not going to join u,
In case of Jamaica, A Jamaican of Lebanese/Scottish descend, got any different with say a Malaysia of Chinese/Eurasian descent??
, if you like twist & turn, carry on ! The word ethnic also means a person original from his/her ancestor, thought u know I dont means original nationality.
If U wan to be so specific, you should perhaps write, a technical specification in an engineering project or a legal document on your intention / definition!! Anyway, I had to work for a living not like you already amassing more than perhaps many millions of USD to be “goyang kaki”
#38 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:55 pm
President got power or not depend on country, diff contry had diff rules / laws, too lengthy to discuss,
Sorry, I means, “should write like a technical specification in an engineering project document” or a multi million RM contract to be signed between 2 companies. Ok?
To this Zak, even a person look is important, a PNG of Chinese father / local PNG mother also cannot ? So if ever, a Msian of Chinese father/Kadazan Mother also cannot?
In the modern world (most country), only the citizenship, capability, maturity, sanity, of that person matter, not religion, race, look of face matter for a top political post, Only an outdated person will look for such things.
#39 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 12:56 pm
Add, honesty, integrity that matters
#40 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 2:14 pm
Fujimori of Peru count or not , Mr Zak?
R U sure Britain still involve in PNG, thought it should be Aussies!
#41 by zak_hammaad on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 3:18 pm
cheng on Says:
>> The word ethnic also means a person original from his/her ancestor,
Here are some official definitions:
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
2. referring to the origin, classification, characteristics, etc., of such groups.
3. being a member of an ethnic group, esp. of a group that is a minority within a larger society: ethnic Chinese in San Francisco.
4. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of members of such a group.
5. belonging to or deriving from the cultural, racial, religious, or linguistic traditions of a people or country: ethnic dances.
Your use does not fall into any of the above.
>> thought u know I dont means original nationality.
Nationality is not a race and I did not misunderstand your words!
>> Anyway, I had to work for a living not like you already amassing more than perhaps many millions of USD to be “goyang kaki”
LOL, is this the best you can throw at me? Not only are your assumptions incorrect and offensive, they smell of envy and a lack of appreciation for your own incompetence.
>> President got power or not depend on country, diff contry had diff rules / laws, too lengthy to discuss,
BUT the examples YOU gave have presidents that have NO real power to make executive decisions, their roles are only ceremonial and this is not a secret!!
>> In the modern world (most country), only the citizenship, capability, maturity, sanity, of that person matter, not religion, race…
If you think this is the reality of today’s world, you are very naive indeed. Geo-social politics remains one of the most powerful determinants when electing a leader.
>> Fujimori of Peru count or not , Mr Zak?
Please refer to my answer to Emily above.
The only thing you have succeeded in is WASTING TIME here with no real answers and no desire to actually learn when facts are presented. In your desire to see an “ethnic” Chinese as PM in Malaysia, you are looking for incomprehensible examples.
My closing thought is that the closest Malaysia may ever get to having a ‘Chinese’ PM is Badawi. After all, his maternal grandfather, Ha Su-chiang (also known as Hassan), was a Chinese Muslim who came from Sanya in Hainan.
* This is my last post on this thread *
#42 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 4:34 pm
Zak, said (In your desire to see an “ethnic” Chinese as PM in Malaysia, you are looking…)
I never said I wish a Chinese to be PM of Msia.
To me any Msian citizen, (even U, if U are one), who had the necessary, capability, maturity, honesty, integrity, sanity, unbiased, antiracist, etc can be a PM of Msia, whether that person is a half blind (Gus Dur), bald head, Orang Asli, female, Indian, Kadazan, Iban, Eurasian, or Thai etc does not matter.
#43 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 4:50 pm
In a country, like India, whether, they would said, their PM or DPM, must be (or must not be) a Hindu, or Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, or a Tamil, Gujerati, Bengali, Assamese, Bihari, Punjabi, Malayalam, Nepali, Marathi, Oriya, or whatever????
#44 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 5:01 pm
In Canada, can the French Canadian be PM?
In Switzerland, can the Italian, or French, or the Romansch Swiss br their leader?
In Russia ??? Ukrainian, Estonian, Belorussian etc, Can?
In Belgium? How? I rest my comment here.
#45 by cheng on on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 5:02 pm
Also, a country like Brazil, so many different type of races? How?
#46 by ktteokt on Friday, 5 September 2008 - 8:48 pm
Stupid excuse by Ahmad the racist in the press. He claimed that he was referring to the pre-independence days! Come on, prior to independence, Malaya was a British Colony and all of us were on British Land, making all of us – Indians, Malays or Chinese – squatters on British land!!!!!!!
#47 by lopez on Saturday, 6 September 2008 - 6:32 am
what about that person with surname lee who tells the chinese community to sent their children to brain washing camps and cause some to die.
Added grief and sorrow , hardship and more sadness into the chinese community lives in a nation whom their forefathers fight, died and denied to have done so.
#48 by lopez on Saturday, 6 September 2008 - 6:37 am
if ADMIRAL CHENG HO did not bother to come, we could be talking Siamese now.
Some people forgets easily.
#49 by Emily Pratt on Saturday, 6 September 2008 - 1:08 pm
Hello Everyone,
Please keep your anger in check…provocation is what was intended by that racist man, please do not fall into his trap.
Some MPs (from DAP, MCA and Gerakan) have lodged police reports against him. Let the law takes its course, no need stir up more negative sentiment. Sticks and stone may break my bone, but name calling is just that.
916 is less than a fortnight away, keep our cool… Makkal Shakthi will prevail. Keep our cool please.
Thank you all civilized brothers and sisters.
EP
#50 by justice4allraces on Monday, 8 September 2008 - 10:23 am
Why should Datuk Ahmad Ismail be defended for calling Chinese Malaysians “squatters”? To defend and make up excuses for him is like claiming a badly behaved spoilt brat is just being a kid and will grow out of his behaviour rather than deal with him. Ismail should have the guts to stand up and say his apologies to all Chinese Malaysians. Wait…a public apology is not enough. He should be stripped off his Datukship, be stood down, be barred from every political party and also serve his punishment as a lesson for everyone that incurring racial sentiment does NOT pay especially in a multiethnic society like Malaysia