Reformasi reigns under a raintree

(MJ reporting from the site where history was created)

I have never felt so proud of being a son of Perak than today. It was a historic and unforgettable moment. It was a moment made up of heroic courage accompanied by an unending chorus of “Hidup Perak”. It was a moment which Perakians could hold their heads high and know that there is hope.

For once “Malaysia Boleh” meant something very significant to me. What took place happened in Bolehland! In the midst of the crowd there was a placard which read: “The Whole World is Watching”. Yes, the whole world saw how the people of Perak and their leaders refused to bow, bend and buckle under Najib’s nefarious tricks and Umno’s manipulative maneuverings.

The whole world saw how a brave bunch of State Assemblypersons refused to be bribed, bought over, bullied or budge and how they are ready to face the possible consequences of their bravery in standing up to the powers-that-be who brazenly and shamelessly robbed the people of their State Government.

Today, Mohd Nizar Jamaluddin was voted and confirmed unanimously in a motion of confidence the true and legitimate Menteri Besar of Perak by the Perak State Assembly. This took place in an “emergency sitting” held under a raintree and an open sky – in the approving and affirming presence of the people.

It was an “emergency sitting” in every sense of the word. Locked out of the state secretariat and wanting to avoid any untoward incidents with some 30 thuggish men (Umno supporters?), the Pakatan Aduns made their way to a vacant lot some 200 meters from the state secretariat.

For a moment it seemed that the Pakatan leadership was unsure of what was the next course of action. A hush-hush discussion transpired after which to everyone’s surprise the Speaker announced that the emergency sitting would be held at the vacant spot under a raintree! Even the Aduns themselves seemed surprised! Nizar would later explain the sitting under the tree was done according to the “doctrine of necessity”!

As the Speaker and the Aduns took their place, there were whispers amongst the large crowd gathered, of the venue being the perfect place to hold a State Assembly sitting. A man standing next to me said that it was his first time attending a State Assembly sitting and they should have more of such assemblies which the public can easily attend!

A lady quipped: “You see how transparent PR is. We even hold a State Assembly sitting out in the open! We have nothing to hide. It is an open fact that Nizar is the legitimate MB and the PR State Government is that voted in by the majority of the people.”

The Speaker was in his full official regalia. The PR Aduns stood before him. Pakatan officials and security volunteers formed a ring around them. The sea of people surged closer encircling the two groups to witness the serious, solemn and significant event.

It was truly a touching and hilarious moment when the Speaker asked the Aduns to voice out and to provide a show of hands whether they agreed to the motion of confidence in Nizar being the legitimate MB, the crowd very spontaneously and spiritedly shouted “Setuju!” The Aduns then smilingly explained to the crowd that only the Aduns are to respond.

Some who were not familiar with the formalities of a State Assembly sitting felt strongly that they were very much part of the assembly and had the right to express their confidence in their MB! Two other motions were passed — one calling for the dissolution of the assembly to pave the way for fresh state elections, and the other, the adoption of the suspension of Perak Mentri Besar Zambry Abdul Kadir and six Exco councillors he appointed.

An Adun, when supporting one of the motions, began by speaking of an “institutional crisis” in Perak and in the country. He then corrected himself and mentioned “constitutional crisis”. He was right in the first instance — the country’s institutions are breaking down!

This has been so well highlighted by Bar Council president Ambiga Sreenevasan: “Our institutions, that is the courts, the police, etc., are being tested and we can judge for ourselves whether they are acting independently or not… It is so obvious they are not.”

She lamented that the tragic events in the state “shows a total breakdown in relation to the structures and sanctity of the legislature. It shows a violation of the role of the Speaker and an intrusion into the processes of the legislative assembly. The Speaker, much like the status of the Attorney General, should also be seen as an institution in its own right.”

The police who were supposed to be impartial ignored the instructions of the Speaker. They displayed an intimidating presence. Ipoh OCPD Azisman Alias insisted there would be no negotiations, causing State DAP chief and senior exco member under the PR government Ngeh Koo Ham to remark: “It is a very sad day. We have descended into a police state.”

Lim Kit Siang shares a similar concern: “Today, the doctrine of separation of powers has suffered another grievous blow with the powers and privileges of the legislature in Perak, attacked by the executive, both federal and state, which is also seeking to invoke unprecedented judicial interference with the legislature.”

In spite of the disturbing trends the courage displayed by the MB, Speaker and the Aduns of PR offer the people much hope. History will remember how a Perak State Assembly was forced to hold a sitting under a raintree during which the Speaker and the Assemblypersons literally stood up for the justice and the truth and against the might of those who are willing to stoop so low in their political subterfuge and scheming.

Martin Jalleh (3 March 2009)

  1. #1 by sani on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 11:15 pm


    I have often seen Malaysian Courts + “Authorities” moving the goal post to suit themselves. Never in my life i have seen them sealing off the goal post.

    How low can they go?

  2. #2 by mendela on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 11:31 pm

    The whole world economy is in big mess,
    so is Malaysian economy.
    Najis the Finance Minister should be putting all his energy to save Malaysian economy from further meltdown.

    Instead he just focus on stealing power from PR.
    Malaysians will never forget his stupidity.

    With such airhead leader, Malaysia is doomed!

    Najis must be brought down immediately!

  3. #3 by mendela on Tuesday, 3 March 2009 - 11:48 pm

    Can bloggers out there brief us all on what actually did happen to Najis’ PD scandal?

    This scambag was making comments about CSL episode not long ago.

    Let’s tell the world his detailed PD rendezvous.
    Let’s expose him totally!

  4. #4 by monsterball on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:01 am

    Yes it was historical..hilarious and full of guts with excellent attitudes as responsible elected representatives fov the people…and by the people…they stood firm.
    A lawful performance to counter fight another so call…lawful the Sultan.
    What a stroke of genius in performing their duties…under a yum yum tree………conducting a Parliament meeting…that way. I think this is first first!!…hahahahahaha
    Yes…whole world should take off their hats…to those brave uncorrupted men.
    The ball is thrown back to the Sultan.
    Mr.Speaker said…the show must go on…until Sultan makes another wise decision.

  5. #5 by OrangRojak on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:04 am

    No economic problem, no dengue epidemic, no loss of majority, and now no problem with suicide?

    Government figures show barely a few dozen suicides in 2008 … The health minister has said publicly that there are on average seven suicides a day.

    Feel free to delete this comment if it’s just too far off-topic. It’d be interesting to read what the regulars’ opinions are of the efficacy of imprisoning people who attempt suicide.

    I can’t find a source for the BBC article, only some articles that refer to it. Politics101 copies a mkini article from 2 years ago that mentions the befrienders – The link the BBC give is very slow to respond – I hope that isn’t a bad sign! It’s a global site for the organisation – their local site is at

  6. #6 by voice out on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:10 am

    If Malaysia play football against Machester United, knowing that they can win, what do you think the Malaysia TEAM will do?

    A. Just play your heart out
    B. All 11players in defensive mode
    C. 10players become the goalkeeper + original goal keeper
    D. Seal the goal post !!!!

    The answer is…………………………………………………….
    Not A….of course!!!!!!

  7. #7 by voice out on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:12 am

    Sorry If Malaysia think they cant win agaisnt Machester United….
    (correction to my word above)

  8. #8 by fr33dom on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:22 am

    Today we witnessed brave man and women of the Perak State Assembly for their courage and determination in the pursue of justice. They have displayed humility above all matters. I salute you all!

    The poisonous, wicked, nefarious, dirty tricks of the UMNO gov together with its Police Dogs has FAILED miserably to stop the rakyat from doing the right thing.

    The rakyat has awaken and we will not fear your miserable intimidation NO more. Enough is enough! We want to see changes, we want to see reformation and we will not stop until UMNO-BN is obliterated.

  9. #9 by waterfrontcoolie on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:26 am

    It is definitely the saddest day for Malaysia!! While all responsible Gomen around the world are arguing and cracking their heads to resolve the economic issues, our Federal Gomen took time to illegally wrestle power from a State Gomen.
    This can only be the begining of an ending of a Dynasty!! It cannot be otherwise! All talks of the 70s and 80s are no longer applicable today. The more such behaviour is shown the faster BN will go down. Those who used to say that all politicians are alike are begining to change their opinions. These are the so-called fence-sitters. In the kopithiams, they are saying BN has gone berserk!! They are trying to cover-up their wrongs. Once such opinion takes hold, I am just wondering the out-come of the next GE! And it is the 13th; and 13 always has some surprises!!

  10. #10 by voice out on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:28 am

    is indeed a saddest in Malaysia history…

  11. #11 by issacpandian on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:32 am

    Today, i saw a multiracial leaders cling to their mandate and love of the people to fight the evil of tranny & injustice brought by greediness and self glorification by so called the BN. Injunction not meant that the whole process is flaw and wrong as what told by the mainline media but The High Court order has no time limit and penalties would be decided later if and when the Speaker holds the next meeting deemed illegal. Injunction is normal procedures of the court to allow both side to cool down! The rain-tree meeting is valid and The restraint order however is not retrospective and does not over Tuesday morning’s emergency sitting in which three motions were passed, including one calling for the dissolution of the state assembly to pave the way for fresh polls.

  12. #12 by Jamesy on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:38 am

    Mark this day – March 3, 2009.

    This is a historic day where democracy was BORN – under a tree.

    Maybe Pakatan Rakyat should have its own unified logo – A TREE.

  13. #13 by Jamesy on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:52 am

    A TREE on March 3, 2009 symbolizes so many things. Transparency, openness, covering, protection, unwavering and strong (because of its roots).

    We see the features of a tree as democracy at work rather than the 4 corners of the Perak State Secretarial building where Legislative Assembly session supposedly be held.

  14. #14 by One4All4One on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 1:14 am

    YES, the TREE should be considered as the UNIFYING SYMBOL for all opposition political parties working for the common good of ALL in the country.

    Growing from a miniature seed to a huge structure offering shelter, security, harmony, peace, reason, hope, law and order, and direction to all Malaysians who believe in a BETTER MALAYSIA.

    The tree is neutral. It doesn’t discriminate. It is firm and strong. It nourishes (the air that we breathe) and enables life. It cleanses and purifies. It is independent. It does not provoke nor create problems. It is able to withstand the test of time and displays longevity and inherent strength. It is entirely at peace with all. It is a source of energy and vitality. It is representative of the willpower of peace-loving and right-thinking people all over.

    The spirit of the tree is such a powerful symbol of democracy and natural justice.

    The people should be awakened to this new spirit of justice and rule of law that has just been displayed and enacted by the brave, courageous and steadfast assemblymen of Perak.

    Indeed, 308 has far-reaching and hidden implications.

  15. #15 by wanderer on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 1:29 am

    This is a fine opportunity for the sultan of Perak to redeem himself.
    You can wronged your subjects once, they will forgive you, if you chose to wrong them twice, it will be unforgivable.
    HRH, you are a learned man, a sultan who have built a distinguish career, why do you have to throw everything away… for reasons known only to yourself.
    The ball is now at your feet, grant an audience to the legitimate MB duly elected by the people. Agree to dissolve the State Assembly and regain the respect, your subjects will happily give back to you. Let Perakians choose their own govt, is that asking too much?

  16. #16 by raven77 on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 1:55 am


  17. #17 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:06 am

    i suggest PR now adopt the raintree as
    a symbol in their struggle.

  18. #18 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:08 am

    “Let Perakians choose their own govt, is that asking too much?”

    yes it is too much.

  19. #19 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:09 am

    “How low can they go?”

    to the underworld

  20. #20 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:11 am

    “…Sultan makes another wise decision.”

    you got to be kidding.

  21. #21 by distantmalay on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:14 am

    it is a most wonderful idea, a canopy Tree to replace the off-balance dacing.

  22. #22 by limaho on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 4:08 am

    Not a Perakian, but I feel proud to identify myself with those brave Malaysians for going ahead with the meeting under the rain tree. This event will be remembered by those who cherish democracy. Let the Perakians decide who they want to rule the state.

  23. #23 by daryl on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 4:51 am

    Good idea, come to think of it PR coalition need to become one and “pokok democracy” can be the new symbol of PR. Eventually, PR need to become a party so we can have one party not three.

    As for the Sultan, I won’t be surprise if his decision favors BN again. Probably defer it to the court and you know who control that. Miracle might happen but MAlaysian never experience that with royalty and BN.. keeping my finger cross.

  24. #24 by pulau_sibu on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 5:11 am

    Where do we get all these professors? Do you believe in what they said, when their own universities are not among the top 500??

    KUALA LUMPUR, March 3 — The emergency sitting of the Perak State Legislative Assembly today was unconstitutional, according to constitutional law expert Prof Madya Dr Shamrahayu Abdul Aziz.

    Dr Shamrahayu, from the International Islamic University Malaysia (IIUM), said the three motions approved were also unconstitutional.

  25. #25 by sotong on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 5:35 am

    BN is in a quicksand…… is wise not to struggle in order to survive.

  26. #26 by daryl on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 5:53 am

    Put them in a neutral court than we can have a real game and I will accept whatever the decision is but through MAlaysian court system…. is a laughing stock at this moment.

  27. #27 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 6:58 am

    I think it is not fair to slur the lawyers. In any case, they defend their clients even if they may not agree privately. That is how the court system works.
    Of course if the judge is fixed (aka the Lingam judge) then justice becomes a travesty.
    Perak’s democracy is now in ICU and the sultan may pull the plug, though most Perakians like me feel he could do the right thing by going back to the voters in Perak.
    That way, it may also solve the sticky problem of money politics in the next general elections.
    It is asking for a little interference in political affairs but the least he should do is get both parties to agree to an anti-hopping law before the state elections that is the cause of the present turmoil.

  28. #28 by ismailhakim on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 7:51 am

    MB Nizar and Pakatan Rakyat will never win on the legal front if the intention is to seek justice from the courts against UMNO/BN.

    UMNO’s plan ito take over Perak is straightforward:

    The first recourse was the Royal Palace.

    Second recourse is to use UMNO members in the civil service such as the State Secretary and other govt officials to hunker down.

    Third recourse is to use the judiciary to frustrate Pakatan Rakyat. How? Read on the link below.

    Lastly,if all things fail, UMNO/BN will use the police force to crush the Rakyat and rule by emergency law, as seen how the FRU was used to block elected representatives to enter the State Secretariat and to create a climate of fear and civil chaos in Ipoh.

    The court hearing tomorrow 5 March WILL go against MB NIzar and Speaker Sivakumar. Mark my words on this. The judiciary’s hands are fully tied. Meanwhile, MB Nizar can approach the Palace for dissolution, but the Perak Palace will not act on it at any time for its own self preservation agains the UMNO machinery onslaught.

    When Najib came to see the Sultan, it was a take-over at all cost . It was a zero-sums game. It became obvious the Perak Palace was made crystal clear by Najib what UMNO’s plans were. The options were closed to the Perak Palace to maneuvre and the Perak Palace wer made to play ball. That tied the hands of the Perak monarchy.

    UMNO is going for broke at any price to take back all the 5 states, even if it means throwing the Constitution to the wind.

    Only PAS, not even KeAdilan can confront UMNO. And the only hope for democracy is for PAS to openly confront UMNO in all avenues available and to play the game with the same rules as UMNO.

    Read this blog to know why the Judiciary will rule against Pakatan Rakyat, and the MB Nizar. and why the Perak Palace will not dissolve the State Assembly.

  29. #29 by monsterball on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:11 am

    Computation….for a very rare occasion…..I agree with you.
    They are drunk with false power and crazy for money…to feed their expensive lifestyles.
    Like I said….I salute the uncorrupted 28 PR parliamentarians.
    These people listen to the people and act for the people.
    To err is human. To admit it is divine.
    Lets wait and see what is the Sultan of Perak next WISE LEGAL MOVE!!!

  30. #30 by waterfrontcoolie on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:25 am

    With all these things happening, AAB has got the audacity to talk of greed at the WIEF!!!
    Please don’t make a fool of yourself at such international forum. The whole world knows what is going on in Malaysia. Don’t assume others sleep through your talk.
    Isn’t this happening at Perak the result of GREED?

  31. #31 by chengho on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:26 am

    The scene was like shooting a movie for vanaavil channel of astro with so many extras with peoples shouting with each others with memorize script ,they shpuld bring award winning director from Hong Kong or Mumbai to add a few more camera trick…

  32. #32 by sotong on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:35 am

    Anyone with a grain of dignity and respect for Perak would call an election now.

    Have some guts now and let the people of Perak decide who they want as MB, rather than shafting them around for the next few years – what a joke!

  33. #33 by wanderer on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:48 am

    Once I used to believe the sultan is a big tree that gives shade to his subjects. [deleted]
    All is not lost, the MAJESTIC TREE known to the rakyats as “The TREE of Democracy” has found a deserving and worthy owner, the People Power in PKR.

  34. #34 by hennesy on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:51 am

    Haha…fellow Perakian here. I must say I’m DAMMMMMM Proud of what PR in Perak is doing. We need this people to put up the fight. These are TRUE! leaders of the highest degree. Keep up the good fight & deliver the message to BN that we reject UMNO’s undemocratic rule in our beloved Malaysia.

  35. #35 by drngsc on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 8:53 am

    Although I am all for change, but this drama has gotten too far. How is it going to end. Please try to make sure that the common Perakians do not suffer. Please think of the rakyat.
    I would also like to ask Kit and PR, if it is a good idea to make the raintree as a simple of our freedom to express our views. Can the raintree corner be made into a ” Hyde-Park ” like corner where people can express their views freely? Maybe it will be a good start for bringing about change in the system.

  36. #36 by Toyol on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:05 am

    Never in my 50 years have I seen politicians actually bending backwards to serve the people. Heroes were born yesterday. To Nizar and his team, I salute you for holding up the principles of democracy to serve the very people who elected you. At the end only your principles define you as who you are.

    Well UMNO #$%@…you know now what you are !!!

  37. #37 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:05 am

    The vindication here is that UMNO cannot reform. Push comes to shove, they will break even their own laws. Their web of lies that began in 1969 is just too big and too deep to reform. If they can’t be in power, they will steal it, destroy it. We are NOT better than Zimbabwe.

    The moral victory is already PR. Practical one is just a matter of time. And odds are on PR side too. PR is consistent, its method also consistent. PR broke NO law which was stacked against it the first place while BN has broken its own law again and I believe more than once even just yesterday.

    Make no mistake, This is no longer about PR against UMNO/BN. This is about Malaysian people vs. UMNOputras/BNputras. This country belong to people and they have to take it back…

  38. #38 by DAP man on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:12 am

    UMNO can use the monarchy, the courts, the police, the civil service, phony professors and the media to demonize the legitimate Perak Government.
    But BN will win nothing but ill-will, not only from Perakians but the entire population. Foreign investment will shun the country and local funds will flee. Who would want to trust investing in a country where democracy is DEAD.
    Perhaps this is what BN wants. It will pay dearly for this ‘crime against humanity’.

  39. #39 by taiking on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:15 am

    Umno’s culture and style and umno’s money politics do not work outside umno and if actually applied outside umno they will not produce the sort of results the applicator hope to see. And certainly najib’s hope of nationalising umno’s culture, style and money politics will be rejected wholesale by all non-umnoputras. Even some umnoputras are getting irritated with the sort of practice and culture that is being upheld with vigour by the majority in umno. And look at perak now. The events taking place there spell out in no uncertain terms that the rejection by perakians went further than style and culture. They reject umno as a political party. They reject umnoputras as their representatives. They reject umno as the government of the day. Hold a state re-election today and the full extent of the rejection will be played out through the poll. But of course those idiots do not have the guts or the galls to test their popularity and level of acceptance now. Dont even think about postponing the issue and buying more time. In politics, a sinking ruling party will surely sink no matter what. If they have any ounce of care or concern for the country’s wellbeing they should struggle less and leave the whole matter to voters and the people.

  40. #40 by ekans on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:17 am

    Although PR may lose its court battle against BN, this episode in Perak state politics has exposed to more & more people the ‘true colours’ of BN-UMNO in its quest to wrest power away from PR without the people’s mandate.

    Yesterday, The Star published a letter from the IGP with regard to what happened to Karpal Singh at the Parliament last week.
    The IGP went on to mention in this letter how it is not within the juridiction of the police to enter the Parliament and intervene in that fracas, and issued an advice to MPs to behave & speak in a gentlemanly manner and not make any provocative or unfounded remarks behind the protection of immunity in the Parliament (directed to Karpal Singh in a subtle manner, no doubt).
    Strangely, he chose to leave out of this letter his views about the shameful acts of blocking & harassing Karpal Singh by members of the UMNO Youth which is clearly unlawful and should be acted upon by the police.
    It’s disappointing that the contents of the IGP’s letter does appear to have a veiled remark or conclusion that Karpal should be blamed for provoking UMNO Youth members into causing the fracas.
    The IGP should have understood that as a result of Karpal’s comments about a monarch’s accountability within the boundaries of the constitution, his political opponents had conducted illegal demonstrations and filed scores & scores of police reports against him, and in addition, anonymous death threat letters with live bullets had been sent to Karpal twice. The IGP should also understand that anyone would have been stressed/pressured into being making angry outbursts when faced with such difficult situations.
    If the IGP had personally expedited investigations into the first live bullet death threat letter that was sent Karpal almost a year ago and caught the culprit(s), then probably Karpal would not be so easily pressured or provoked into making such outbursts in the first place.
    Strangely, the IGP was very much quicker in getting his police personnel to cordon off the Perak state secretariat building with the obvious task of preventing PR ADUNs from entering in order to perform their duties as the elected representatives of the people.

  41. #41 by Dominique on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:20 am

    Why do we still refer to the Govt as BN Govt? There is no BN…. There is Umno and there is Umno. Umno is BN and BN is Umno.

  42. #42 by stnaaron on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:23 am

    To ! PR team Perak MB and the team wishing you guys good luck and stay strong in the fight.

    Mohd Nizar bravo!!! you will be our next PM in waiting ……. Hidup Nizar !!! Hidup Nizar …..

    I am a chinese but now i am a PAS supporter……

  43. #43 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:38 am

    “Computation….for a very rare occasion…..I agree with you.”

    wah lau eh
    you mean most of the time i talk nonsense
    you break my heart lah

  44. #44 by wesuffer on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:41 am

    BN supported by police, royal, judges and Macc
    PR supported by rakyat

    BN won PR lose in COURT ROUND
    PR won BN lose in RAKYAT ROUND


  45. #45 by aji on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 9:43 am

    (sorry to say first..if i sound like somebody who don’t know anything)but could somebody help and clarify to me…

    one of the reason the BN thugs says that yesterday raintree assembly is illegal & not valid is because Royal consent has not been seek & received.

    so if thats the case…had the previous session (not the start of the session which really need the consent of Royal)..i mean all those previous sessions be it 1st, 2nd , 3rd etc etc sittings…and be it under the previous Tajol BN government…have all those seating/session/assembly had received the Royal consent/approval etc etc…and is the current parliament sittings had the aproval/consent of the Agong…

    So now they are claiming the raintree session is without royal consent and is invalin & illegal…soooo…can somebody please check…if ALL the previous previous previous sessions/sitings had the consent of the Royal…if not..than ALL the previous sessions/sittings/assemblies are also illegal & invalid. and all the DUN decisions made during that time is also illegal & invalid…

    Can somebody help to answer!!!??

  46. #46 by balance88 on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:01 am

    Such a shame it had to descend to this level of democracy.

    UMNO is running scared. If they claim they have the majority, just vote for a no confidence in the State Assembly. Simple as that and this whole issue would not drag on. What a waste of tax payers money!

  47. #47 by Godfather on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:05 am

    So now the ball is in the Sultan’s court. If he refuses to see Nizar, then the die is cast. Those who have gone over to the dark side are unlikely to return to righteousness.

  48. #48 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:08 am

    I have been tracking polls and survey and EVEN MORE PEOPLE want a fresh polls in Perak. UMNO is losing support EVEN AMONG THEIR OWN MEMEBERS. Fresh polls in Perak and PR will win by a landslide at least 2/3 of the seats and maybe as much as 90%. BN has lost, its a matter of time. Even 2013, PR WILL BE BACK IN GOVT IN PERAK.

    UMNO/BN has lost already. If Najib has half the brains he pretends to be, he takes his lump and give the excuse Badawi agreed to the tactics in Perak and move on. But he is NOT and show how really he is really empty inside and the wrong leader at this time for this country…

  49. #49 by Godfather on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:14 am

    Najis can’t afford to lose huge in Perak elections. He took the limelight for all the kataks jumping over the fence, and he cannot now put the blame on someone else, or even collectively. He had planned to use Perak as his battlecry for his acceptance speech end of this month, so it now appears that his battlecry will be whinging against Pakatan Rakyat.

    Would C4 use the ISA against Sivakumar ? Don’t count it out, as the illegal CM Zamry has raised the issue of the threat to national security.

  50. #50 by wanderer on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:18 am

    Dr Shamrahayu, from the International Islamic University Malaysia (IIUM), said the three motions approved were also unconstitutional.

    Must be just another ordinary graduate from one of the Arab countries. Do we see these Arab nations practice democratic rule….where MIGHT IS RIGHT.
    ooooops! I forgot, a voice from the 3rd grade university!

  51. #51 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:19 am

    Sdr. Lim,

    Seriously suggest to Nizar that before he sees the Sultan that PR do a professional impartial poll of voters in Perak. It will show the BN has lost already now or in 2013, any delay in fresh election is a waste of time and resources. PR will be back in govt regardless….

  52. #52 by melurian on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:25 am

    proud! is a BIG DISGRACE that the dun succumb to this. why want to have assembly under the tree. to allow mat salleh really thinks that malaysians living on trees…. the dun should do better than this. they should fight for their constitutional rights to barge into the assembly hall, not holding the meeting under the tree to embarass the state and malaysia! what’s wrong of fighting their right into the hall? are they cowards from being bashed by baton and cuffed and led away to balai polis? if that’s so, at least they could show the world how unjustice the new gov is. all the p-r duns in perak are stupid anyway, maybe they are deserved to be booted out for such idiotic action …..

  53. #53 by chanjoe on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:37 am

    Its another ding dong game in Perak. Dun sits but BN and court do not recognise. Seems like more long drawn legle battles ahead.

    However, from what happened in the courts yesterday….it seems PR Dun will still be BN’s and PR and Rakyat will not have any business to do with the DUN anymore.

    Going to court is a waste of time as we can assume what’s the outcome. How on earth can the State Legal Adviser be representing both sides in the case agst the Speaker?

    Even when we are buying a 2nd house, the law now does not allow the same lawyer to represent both the seller and the purchaser.

    Can something be done to right this very wrong decision? Can someone go against the courts interpretation of the law? Seems only avenue is to appeal to higher courts and then a longer drawn legal battle is set.

    meanwhile the Rakyat has to suffer again. I dont see any reason why BN cannot go to the Rakyat to seek their mandate to rule. If the Rakyat want them to rule with the Rakyat’s mandate, then so be it. Aftert all, its the Rakyat who oputs them in DUN and no BN or NOT Najlis. I therefore sincerely called upon HRH Sultan to act imediatelly to dissolve the DUN and seek fresh mandate for whichever party that the Rakyat wants.

    Lets settle this matter once and for all and fight it our through the ballot box.

    I guess HRH Sultan has no time to read all our views in so many blogs or the internet in his office has blocked out all our views so he does not know that so many of his subject wants a fresh election for the DUN Perak.

    GOD Help Us.

  54. #54 by abdul on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:39 am

    “MCA and Gerakan Slam Penang Chief Minister” for sending his Executive councilior for Tourism to Melbourne claming that He doesnt speak good English and that has tarnished Penang tourism industry it seems. I just wanna ask one question? How many chinese leaders of MCA/Gerakan can speak Malay properly. They born in Malaysia and became leaders for our Malaysian people but can’t even convey any message clearly in what is the point of being wakil rakyat for all the races. Many malays cant understand English especially old people and those MCA/gerakan leaders couldn’t speak Malay properly and why didnt they resigned.,,hey you mca/gerakan correct your self before correcting others. We people of Pakatan are doing good job so far..please dont come and screw us..We dont want you all already…Hidup Pakatan Rakyat.

  55. #55 by computation on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 10:43 am

    “Mohd Nizar bravo!!! you will be our next PM in waiting ……. Hidup Nizar !!! Hidup Nizar …..”

    what about sivakumar?
    sivakumars a champ as well ok!

  56. #56 by i_love_malaysia on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 11:29 am

    The economy is really bad now, prices of houses are coming down and value of ringgit is coming down!!!
    Some people have finally made up their minds to migrate overseas and selling off their properties at very low prices!!! They have lost hope in this country as they dont see any future in this country as they can only see Najis around this country and nothing else!!! May be they will change their hearts or return later if Najis is being cleansed away as fast as possible!!!
    Go! Go! Go! Perak! Go! Go! Go! PR!!!

  57. #57 by peter sng on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 11:29 am

    “Never in the History of Mankind[Malaysia] have so Much being owe by so FEW”

    SYABAS to the PR’s ADUNS for their integrity, honesty, high moral principles to uphold True Democracy, Justice & Equality.

    Pls adopt this TREE as the SYMBOL of Pakatan Rakyat.

  58. #58 by Toyol on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:00 pm

    PR has shown it is willing to dissolve the State assembly for State wide elections. How much more transparent can one get? Its no guarantee that PR will retain Perak but they are more than willing to allow the rakyat to decide. This just goes to prove that PR is upholding democratic principles in its purest form.

    Unlike UMNO and their cronies…hiding behind brute force and kangaroo justice systems to protect their own self interests.

  59. #59 by democrate on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 12:11 pm

    Pakatan Rakyak is practising ‘DEMOCRACY’
    The Police of BN and Umno are practising DEMOCRAZY AND POWER CRAZY!!!

  60. #60 by shadow on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 1:27 pm

    UMNO IS BN and BN IS UMNO! The rest of them in BN are TIKUS of low grade. Shame on you TIKUS.

  61. #61 by Ken G on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 1:49 pm

    The sultan can solve this crisis with a stroke of the pen. Why won’t he do it? Is it so important for HRH that BN governs Perak?

    This crisis if prolonged can only get worse. BN has no legitimacy to govern and will find it very hard to govern.

    BN can use their control of the security forces to steamroll through their power grab against the rule of law and the wishes of the people but as Tengku Razaleigh has pointed out, the ramifications are HUGE!

    Is BN willing to drag down the whole country just to maintain power in one state just like Mugabe was willing to drag down Zimbabwe to starvation level to hold on to power?

  62. #62 by Ken G on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:01 pm

    YB Lim,

    I suggest the next course of action is for PR to organize a 100,000 peaceful people rally to express the will of the people and convince the sultan to dissolve the assembly.

    Even though I’m not a Perakian, I’m willing to drive all the way from KL with my family to participate. Is this the sort of half baked democracy we want for our children?

    Remember that Zimbabweans allow Mugabe to turn the country from the breadbasket of Africa to a basket case because of their excessive docility.

  63. #63 by Loh on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 2:22 pm

    It seems a joke when asked by foreigner whether Malaysians live on trees. It is now confirmed. They have the legislative meeting under the tree because they cannot possible meet on the trees.

    BN politicians criticized the fact that the meeting had to be conducted under the three, but they could not reason why it had to be so. It is because might is right, and nothing is mightier than guns, and here in Malaysia, the police have the guns, and so they have power to do what they want. The police closed state secretariat to stop the rightful elected representative from conducting business they were elected to do. The police have exceeded its authority when they stop elected Aduns from performing their official duties, if they had initiated the action. Had the police follow orders, they were unable to recognize their legitimate role. They became UMNO implements.

    Whether the meeting held under the tree was legitimate or not, it confirms that 28 Aduns consider Nizar the legitimate Mentri Besar of Perak. Zambry and others in BN too have 28 votes to support him as MB. The three kataks have lost their right to represent the people having submitted letter of resignation, and denied it later. They have lost the moral right to represent the people of their constituencies. There is no clear cut preference for any party to remain in power. The people of Perak should make a final decision, through election.

    The Perak Sultan cannot sack Zambry, just like he could not sack Nizar. He should summon the two Mentri besar to have an audience with him and encourage both to submit a joint letter of resignation to pave the way for a new general election for the state of Perak.

    This solves all the problems, legal or otherwise.

  64. #64 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 4:13 pm

    ///This took place in an “emergency sitting” held under a raintree and an open sky – in the approving and affirming presence of the people. ///

    May I add, in the approving and affirming presence of the firmament.

  65. #65 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Wednesday, 4 March 2009 - 4:22 pm

    /// reformasi reigns….. raintree ///

    /// bow, bend and buckle ///

    /// bribed, bought over, bullied or budge ///

    Martin Jalleh – always alliterations aplenty amid astute analysis and artful articulations…

  66. #66 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 5 March 2009 - 7:59 am


  67. #67 by taiking on Thursday, 5 March 2009 - 9:04 am

    Look. What a real mess! And where are the smiling umnoputra faces we saw in the papers not too long ago? And oh the silly grin on najib’s face. Where has it gone? Of course umnoputras lower down the rung would continue to chant the (shiok-sendiri) victory in perak. They neednt bear any responsibility for the mess now in store there at all. In any event they are children of a (-)meritocracy system. It would certainly be too much for us to expect their comprehension of the real situation. But really the trousers of Najib and lieutenants are on fire at the moment. They have to bear the entire weight of that illegal act and they are now scooting about like some mad chickens.

    The fiasco started with the illegal power grab by najib and gang. No amount of subsequent legal actions by the grabbers can ever legitimise their position and status. And worse the independence of judiciary had been compromised for so long and to such an extent that legal pronouncement no longer bear much, if at all impact in the minds of voters and the people. The whole scenario is now being reduced to a matter of principle, of conscience and morality.

    Doesnt matter if the power grab is illegal. It means nothing anyway. What matters now is that it is unprincipled, immoral and unconscienable. Najib lost on all counts and all fronts. His continued presence in the scence is a pure result of political might and machinery. Both of which – I fear he has forgotten – are built upon principles, morality and conscience. In other words, the presence is virtual only and not real. I see an umno that is in transition from power to wilderness and finally to neverland.

  68. #68 by taiking on Thursday, 5 March 2009 - 9:09 am


  69. #69 by OriginalJeffrey on Saturday, 7 March 2009 - 8:52 am

    Buddha attained enlightenment under the Bo Tree.

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