Jeffrey, Undergrad2 and moronic sidekick,
I think all of you have a false sense of what is right and wrong. You fellows have always thought you are great judges sitting to hear ONE high and mighty court case. That is why I have always said, you fellows are not realists, but idealists and talk “cockists”.
You want fairness to everybody, but who does not? But let me ask you fellows, in the overall scheme of things, is there fairness? If this incident was Pak Lah being welcome at Labis UMNO office with one of the UMNO candidates talking and welcoming Pak Lah (and without permit), would the OCPD concerned be as vigilant and conscientious to try to snatch the mike from the person talking. That is why I am amazed at you fellows’ false sense of what is right and wrong. You fellows have concocted and dogmatic sense of what is right.
I think you fellows should write more on all the unfairness being perpetrated by BN right now in this campaign rather than harping on this one incident. Please write more why we need police permit for every damn thing. Isn’t this run counter to democracy and free speech which you fellows have never stopped harping. By the way, you have no way of knowing for sure your interpretation of the video and the subsequent admission to hospital was accurate or otherwise. If you are not 100% sure, why give your benefits to the police who are known for their abuse and arrogance. Is this not a typical case of looking “at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye”? Chih sin la, you fellows.

teckwyn, well said. But try telling to this group of wannabe judges and lawyers. Sometimes it just amazes me. They have lots of knowledge but no wisdom. They have lots of intelligence, but no discernment. They have lots of principles and ideals, but full of dogmatism.

jeffrey, as for you, please shut up also. take a break and come back after saturday. we have had enough of your half bake views. Enough. read carefully what i wrote above. You are NOT as smart as you think.

Jeffrey, Don’t politicise? Huh, every damn thing in the country is politicise, ok. Where do you come from? And don’t appease the police thinking that by showing them good gesture, you will get fairer treatment from them. High hope.

has nothing to do with other irrelevant issues (a) whether we need police permits or not ….. or (b) whether police would have acted the same if Pak Lah were welcomed at Labis UMNO ceramah without permit.

Irrelevant issues? Jeffrey, I suggest that you be careful of what you write because you are fast becoming irrelevant.
Hello, everything is interrelated ok. If the police had been fair, if the campaigns are given equal opportunity, I believe we would not have such a hectic schedule for Sdr Lim which I think at times may not be able to determine precisely in advance where he is going to be next. That is why I feel that the police can not go by the book because the system in not fair in the first place. This incident would have had happened if the police showed some flexibility and discretion. We are human, not robots like you.

… This incident would NOT have had happened if the police showed some flexibility and discretion. We are human, not robots like you.

kickyourbutt @ come2papi, I think the moderator should kick you out first for being a coward and by trying to make a pass on fellow bloggers.
You must have waited for many days before a topic concerning law and right come up, one-dimensional man. I guess I have to add you to the list of people who never read and understand others’ postings. I suggest you go back and read from my first posting to determine whether I have said anything about police brutality in this particular case.
What I said was police action of going after the mike is completely unnecessary given the circumstances. But to you wannabe lawyers and judges, this is about the law; whether the police touched her or abused her, that the police are just performing their duty; that we must all follow the law of the land, blah blah blah. Now, if the OCPD had not acted the way he did (i.e going after the mike), I guess the DAP would have nothing to “capitalise”. Has it ever occurred to you fellows that this is the defensive strategy of DAP. Yes, if you try to be prickly and come after us, be prepared to face all the consequences and publicity. This is how the game is played because we all know Police is just an apparatus of BN. No wonder I have to keep reminding you that you are mega stupid.

kickyourbutt says…..the only issue raised in this thread which is did the police officer commit assault against the pregnant speaker to the point of endangering her foetus?

Yes, if the police come for the mike, and forcibly take the mike from her, this is what the DAP is going to imply. So what, may I ask?

I think one point we miss is that Police is an apparatus of BN. May be DAP is highlighting this case to use as a defense mechanism to make sure that the Police would not be too trigger happy to intervene and interfere with the slightest excuse. I still want to maintain that this incident would not have happened had the police shown restrain and professionalism. Yes, professionalism here means police not taking action despite no permit. By taking action (because without permit) is to me police not acting professionally. The police was doing the wrong thing right. What we need is for the police to do the right thing, even though it may be wrong procedurally. I don’t know whether you get what I meant.

I agree that the “game” (if it is really a game) DAP played may boomerang. Well, what choice does DAP have? They have so short time and so little resources. This is how I see the game is played and rest assured that it will become more dirty, spearheaded by none other than BN. We don’t have to be so “upright and proper” with DAP while at the same time leave BN to do what they like.

Jeffrey, I think you are Saint Jeffrey.
1. I have already implied earlier that in this particular case in Labis, DAP may not have the permit. The reason being (I am just postulating) Sdr Lim’s arrival (both date and time) was so unpredictable and hence probably no permit was sought for in the first place.
2. In case of you are thinking the reason for not applying for the permit could not be attributed to DAP’s failure to plan or organize the ceramah in advance. It is just the whole campaign process has been so unfair, and DAP leaders are short in supply and Sdr Lim probably has to be everywhere at the same time. It is in this context that I feel that the OCPD (if he is really professional and fair) should act with restrain and allow just for a few minutes more for Teo to finish his welcoming speech.
3. As I said many time earlier, your mind are simply too “legalistic” or you simply never read what I wrote earlier. (I read every line you wrote here and elsewhere and I think that makes the difference between you and I. I learned a lot from you, honestly, but I don’t think you learn any damn thing from anybody because you felt in love with your own views and opinions).
4. Who is saying that DAP never apply for the permits for their ceramah in other occasions in Johore. I think DAP will try their very best to comply with the permit and other legal requirements when conducting their election campaign.
5. Unless one is blind or in total oblivion of what is happening in this country, how can one not able to see that the OCPD is over zealous, probably with tacit approval from BN and in the process hopefully to gain some “recognition” for his effort.
6. This was probably a short visit from the Party Advisor to Labis for the first time during this election campaign. Why the police must be so prickly?
7. The issue here is not that DAP is attempting to follow rule (getting permits) whenever or only when it suits them. Far from it. Tell me what DAP has to gain to purposely violate the permit requirement. Sometimes it is just unforeseen that they have to have a gathering like in this case.
8. Jeffrey, since you are such a rule and law abiding person, why don’t you spend some times monitoring whether BN has also violated the permit condition. May be you should also monitor whether the police has taken quick action against BN for any violation. May be you want to make a report against the police for closing both eyes when BN hold their ceramahs without permits.
9. In your world, every thing is black and white. In real world, everything is in different tones of gray. Come back to the real world.

Jeffrey, i read your posting again and again to try to figure out your thinking process. You know what, you certainly know what you know. But i am not sure you know enough to know the exception. And i am not sure you know what you don’t know.

see, when you have nothing left, you resort to petty insult which is so akin to BN.

from now on i will be looking out for your silly mistakes, watch me. so you better read five times before you post your poor quality writing.

Well, in haste, we all made mistakes. The great QC also made silly mistakes, did anybody correct him? By the way, my thrash is not necessary his trash, ok. Talking about the finer nuances of English. In attap school, we learn English the proper way.

go read how i used the word thrash before coming back to me. please don’t start to talk to yourself again, coward..

Jeffrey,
1. If you can, please write in shorter sentences can or not. Your postings are like a contract document lah. It is not an insult ok Jeffrey. We know your English is powerful. But it is a request to facilitate reading not just for, the attap school type, but probably for many others also.
2. What we call for is an appropriate response from DAP if Police can not act fair, but certainly not to the extent you alluded to. There is no blatant accusation from the DAP of the incident in Labis but I guess a little insinuation here and there is sufficient to put the police on the defense and that to me is one of the effective means to deal with people who do not talk reason. Didn’t you realize that the police are now in defensive mode?
3. As for other points, I think we have both stated long enough and wise in my earlier postings and we shall leave it that way. Let others read and judge.
4. I apologize if I have hurt your feeling. It is not personal here, we are just cyber personality trying to put our ideas across and sometimes we get emotional and prickly.

The reality is you can’t write anything substantive other than trying to feign Jenny. Luckily the moderator spotted you early – a pervert on the prowl – and deleted your depraved posting completely. You are pathetic. You shouldn’t be here. Certainly those who can’t spell hindsight are more deserving than you to be here.