Police at war with itself

Before Parliament adjourned at 7.30 pm, I asked the Deputy Internal Security Minister, Datuk Foo Ah Kiow to give a proper, informed and satisfactory report on the unprecedented phenomenon of “the police at war with itself” as well as “at war” with the Internal Security Ministry when he resumes his reply on behalf of his Ministry on the 2008 Budget tomorrow.

I had referred in particular to the three-page press statement earlier in the day by the Commercial Crime Investigation Department (CCID) chief Ramli Yusuff, where he made serious allegations about victimization of CCID officers by the police and mistreatment by the Anti-Corruption Agency (ACA).

Ramli confirmed that he was the police officer being investigated for amassing RM27 million in undeclared assets and denied that he had amassed RM27 million.

Ramli said he had “until today remained silent about developments in the police force, in particular, the arrest and prosecution of officers of the Commercial Crime Investigation Department (CCID) who are alleged to have falsified statements of confidential informants in connection with the banishment of one Goh Cheng Poh @ Tengku”.

Goh, who was alleged to be an underworld kingpin in Johore, was ordered to be detained on the directive of Deputy Internal Security Minister Datuk Johari Baharom based on the intelligence gathered by police officers of CCID.

Goh was eventually “banished” to Jeli, Kelantan and subsequently applied to the High Court to set aside Johari’s banishment order.

In Parliament today, I read out five paragraphs from Ramli’s three-page statement, viz:

“In an unprecedented stance, the legal adviser of the Ministry of Internal Security, an officer of the Attorney-General’s Chambers, declined to advise and direct my officers and I (to) prepare affidavits of the events surrounding the preparation of the investigative papers on Goh for the benefit of the deputy minister of internal security.

“Those affidavits were to be filed in the High Court arising from the application by Goh to have his banishment order set aside. Given the constraints of time, we, the officers of the CCID, sought legal advice from a private law practice who advised and assisted in the preparation of the draft affidavits concerned.

“I was under advice at the time that the attorney-general (Abdul Gani Patail) was under a duty to advise and assist us in the preparation of the said affidavits under Article 145 of the Federal Constitution and the Government Proceedings Act, 1956.

“My officers and I were then directed to deliver up the confidential case files containing the names of the confidential informants to the Attorney-General’s Chambers. I have since been aware that officers of the ACA have tracked down these informants and taken statements from them. Subsequently, these informants have made further statements in connection with their seeking (of) protection from the deputy minister of internal security… .

“I am gravely concerned by the manner in which the identities of police informants are dealt with in investigations carried out by the ACA. The identities of the informants were obtained through the circumvention of the Inspector General’s Standing Orders. Given these events, there exists a clear and present danger as to the intelligence gathering ability of the police force and its ability to protect its informants.”

I said in Parliament that this would be the first time in the 50-year history of the nation that the police is at war with itself as well as with the Ministry of Internal Security, with the ACA and the Attorney-General taking sides, and asked what is the Minister for Internal Security who is also the Prime Minister doing to end such fratricidal strife in his own backyard..

I observed that if the identities of police informants could be blown and exposed to victimization, which whistleblower would have confidence to come forward to give information — making a total mockery of the repeated assurances of protection by various parties, including the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, the Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, the Police, the ACA and the three-man Haidar Panel to the person or persons who had recorded the Lingam Tape to surface publicly and reveal themselves.

Let’s wait for Chapter 2 of “Police At War With Itself” tomorrow.

  1. #1 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 30 October 2007 - 11:29 pm

    “Ramli confirmed that he was the police officer being investigated for amassing RM27 million in undeclared assets and denied that he had amassed RM27 million.”

    Ok. I believe Ramli don’t have RM27 million but what about RM2.7 million?

  2. #2 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 30 October 2007 - 11:34 pm

    “Ramli said he had “until today remained silent about developments in the police force, in particular, the arrest and prosecution of officers of the Commercial Crime Investigation Department (CCID)…”

    First, Johari was framed, then the IGP was framed, now another high ranking police officer is framed. This is undoubtly a heinous crime without criminals.

  3. #3 by Godfather on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:40 am

    Ramli is claiming victimisation by his own force and by the ACA. Another 3 man panel to investigate this mess ?

  4. #4 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 5:07 am

    If this is not an example of a ‘turf’ war, I don’t know what is.

    “First, Johari was framed, then the IGP was framed, now another high ranking police officer is framed..”

    Now Johari ended up framing himself, the IGP helping him to frame himself, and the high ranking officer helping both to frame him and therefore he too ended up framing himself. If you cannot follow all that you really ought to apply for the post of head of the Commercial Crime Unit of Bkt. Aman.

  5. #5 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 5:26 am

    Hello, Pak LAh, what is this new circus show?

    Pak Lah is the top cop, being the Minister. Is this a turf war, a proxy fight between Tun M’s men & AAB’s men for control of the police force, the judiciary, the AG, ACA and every other Department and Agency???

    WOW, Tun M, it’s always been “Malaysia Boleh” but never quite like this circus. No space angkasawan show can beat this Malaysian circus show because there are clowns who are Ministers like Nazri, then prominent jesters like the CJ, AG, ACA and so many more dancing along to EXECUTIVE tunes.

    BTW, Pak Lah, time for another 3-man Inquiry Panel. These can be added easily to the circus sideshows.

  6. #6 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 5:30 am

    I think malaysians are ready to trust their Monarch and Sultans more.

    AT least they don’t own their private police force nor their own private jets at government expense.

  7. #7 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 5:48 am

    RPK thinks the “Greatest show on Earth” is yet to come or happen. So hold off your plans to migrate!

    From RPK’s blog: “…let us wait until tomorrow to see whether the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Menteris Besar again boycott the Rulers Conference like they did today. And you say Malaysia is a boring place and you would like to migrate to another country. Hello….the fun has not even begun yet.

  8. #8 by lbn on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 6:39 am

    Pak Lah, wake up! Your honeymooning is over. Stop all these nonsense. You really scare us and drive the investors away.

  9. #9 by Justicewanted on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 7:54 am

    Our judiciary system and police department are in a mess.

    Who can we rely on now???????

  10. #10 by malaysia born on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 9:40 am

    Is this for real? Is this really happening? Internal fighting and bickering in our police force? What next? A Walk-From-Bukit Aman-To-Putrajaya by 1000 policemen and women together with 10 police dogs?

    If the police force is in shambles, where then is our security going to come from? The criminals (both hardcore and wannabes) are going to have a field day….at our expense.

    This is what happens when corruption rules. The time for talking about ACA reforms and what-not reforms has come to an end. ACTION is what is needed immediately before the army, air force and navy decides to do a copy-cat act.

  11. #11 by Jimm on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:00 am

    I do look forward for the Police Force to go back under Polis Diraja Malaysia instead under Home Ministry whereby corruption acts are highly practices every level.
    I also believe now, all our Malay Rulers should have waken up and decided to take charge of their lands and rakyat.
    We all knew that one of the Ruler’s actions back then have opened up a ‘backdoor’ for government to amend the national constitutional laws favoring them. We also ‘should’ believe that the Ruler’s mind bad then were ‘tainted’ by ELITE group advices which led to all the changes of power went over to the government.
    As now, the rakyat have also seen enough ‘worsen’ practices by the government in the good name of the country’s future and rakyat also would like to see changes to be taken in action to correct all these mistakes.
    As police force have become a favorite hunting ground for both ELITE and underground world Taukehs to control their personal interests, the Rulers must sit down and work out a recovering plan to ensure corrective measures are put in place.
    Don’t worry about the government people, most of them are merely puppets and opportunist that swings when new master comes on board. Those corrupted leaders must be put into jail and removed of their immunity rights immediately because of their wrong doings , just like how The Done Master removed our Rulers power back in the 80s. The Rulers now must claimed back “An Eye for an Eye” , the rakyat will fully support that move.

  12. #12 by k1980 on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:14 am

    Come on, Indians, come vote for the BN and then get screwed in return
    police officers with automatic rifles charging at a 100 year old Hindu temple and its devotees to demolish the building. Many were injured as a result and one victim is apparently in a coma. Some 14 persons were arrested including a 15 year old boy. Late last evening, 4 lawyers – P Uthayakumar, M Manoharan, V Ganabathy and Vethamoorthy went to Shah Alam police station to lodge a police report over the above incident. Unbelievably, based on witness statements, they were denied entry into the police station at the gates. Shouting began and a small fracas soon followed with one of the lawyers pushed to the ground.

  13. #13 by Jimm on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:18 am

    Rulers must believe that all those ‘shortcuts’ that were wonderfully painted to them by the government in getting the ‘developed’ country status are not so correct and putting so many individuals to become representative of the country wealth as millionaires are not rightfully executed.
    We know that there should be a reward to any senior public service civil servants for their loyalty and commitment, however, when the practice were wrongly intended by these individuals then a corrective measure must be put in force.
    Look at how the ELITE group networking the entire structure of the government agencies until things are not longer suitable.

  14. #14 by smeagroo on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:44 am

    no need check upside down see if he really has rm27mil. JUst take a look at his house, car(S), wife(s), and lifestyle.

  15. #15 by Jimm on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:49 am

    Our country are so unique and have weathered many ‘colonial times’ and what we don’t need now is an internal ‘hidden’ colonial which worst then those before.

  16. #16 by Godfather on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:01 am

    You KNOW you can’t trust the Police. You KNOW you can’t trust the AG’s Chambers. You KNOW you can’t trust the ACA. You KNOW you can’t trust the judiciary.

    NOW WHAT ?

  17. #17 by Bigjoe on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:02 am

    If you ask me, its a tactical move on the police and ACA to blame each other so as not to have be accountable to the PM or anyone else on the state of matters..

    They know this PM never really get angry and even if he does, he does little about it. He does not have the stomach to fire anyone big – he always delegate the really tough job because he has no confidence in his own decisions always needing an excuse for failure or being wrong. A well-trained civil servant is what our PM is.

    Look at the crooked bridge matter. He cancelled it, put it back, cancel it again – resulting in the cost being the same if they had gone ahead in the first place.

    If people didn’t notice. Look at his promises when he came into office – literally none of the big ones he has kept – IPCC, more/moving Chinese schools, no more megaprojects, bailouts and cronism. etc.

  18. #18 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:15 am

    Now we know why the IPCMC is still being resisted.
    So much muck about and within the PDRM.

    Don’t know about this guy’s involvement but it was not a good PR exercise to ban malaysiakini and Malaysia Today.

    Meanwhile here is a simple lesson on corruption for all.
    3 pictures = 3000 words?

  19. #19 by sheriff singh on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 12:45 pm

    Team A fighting with Team B in the Police force? Perhaps the godfathers should step in. Its for their own good.

  20. #20 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 12:51 pm

    When sense prevails and the dust settles…we know that Malaysia needs a PM who has ‘balls’, to put it succinctly.

    AAB is an abject failure.

    But Najib is no better.

    Nazri would turn the country into ash.

    So, it’s either Lim Kit Siang or Anwar Ibrahim. For the sake of a smooth transition and a harmonious society, I would vote for Anwar Ibrahim as PM and Lim Kit Siang as DPM. I think that is the only way for this unending UMNO and BN circus to pack up their sick, sick, sick and silly show.

  21. #21 by k1980 on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:31 pm

    Team A fighting with Team B in the Police force. Let them kill kill other off and the country will be much less corrupt

  22. #22 by justiciary on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:34 pm

    The country is really in a mess.Use your votes to vote out the whole bunch of national thieves and robbers.This type of criminals are worse than the bank and jewellery shop robbers.Outwardly they look so sincere and respectful (at least to many ignorant rural folks).But they turn out to be the greatest scoundrels of the nation.What a pity?

  23. #23 by Cinapek on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:35 pm

    For years I have bragged to foreign friends and business contacts about Malaysia’s rule of law and why we differ from countries like Thailand where military coups are common.

    With the rapidly deteriorating situation in the law enforcement and judiciary community in this country, and with the man in the driving seat, the Minister of Internal Security aka PM clueless on how he should deal with the situation, my foreign friends has the last laugh. Pak Lah should listen to the foreigners on the ground on why FDI is not coming to this country – not those hoity-toity promises to invest in his corridors. Believe them only when you see the hard cash. Beware of another InventQ Jaya.

  24. #24 by ngahc on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:36 pm

    Ramli, please tell us how much wealth exactly do you have? Don’t play the tactic of trying to get public sympathy..We are really fed up with corruption in the police force.

    If you are victim, go to the court of laws and proved it. We want to get rid of these 40% corrupt senior police officer once and for all. We will support ACA for carrying out their duties.

  25. #25 by mwt on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 1:54 pm

    From the print media accounts, more surprises can be seen. The most significant is the AG declaring that investigation has been completed and Datuk Ramli stating that “he is waiting for the BPR Officers to come and interview me anytime” adding “investigation is going on”. Can the ACA finish the probe without seeing him or they have done so? AG Gani confirmed “investigations papers have been submitted to his chambers for further action”
    And his wealth is far reaching when he set up the shell company with the retired army officer to deal with shares and Properties. Legally he was given permission to do so but has he not used his position to enrich himself?
    And he singled out the NST & the Berita Harian for having the privileged leakages from ACA.
    The proxy war is on contrary to that Deputy Minister pronouncement and he seemed to have overstepped and cross into someone else territory – CID instead of CCID under the mistaken protection from another Deputy Minister.
    More details from new post at

  26. #26 by boh-liao on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 2:47 pm

    Interesting events unfolding!

    The so-called untrustworthy rumour monger blogger Raja Petra Kamarudin had for months been writing about Malaysia’s organised crime syndicate: all roads lead to Putrajaya and Goh Cheng Poh @ Tengku in his Malaysia-Today website.

    Rumour? Fiction? Set up? Fact? Exciting! Akan datang!

  27. #27 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 7:04 pm

    “When sense prevails and the dust settles…we know that Malaysia needs a PM who has ‘balls’, to put it succinctly.’ ENDANGERED HORNBILL

    Jeanne can confirm that!

    But what good is a Prime Minister who refuses to play ball with the ‘rakyat’??

  28. #28 by TooFree on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 9:59 pm

    I think we should put all 5 of them, the IGP, the CCID Director, the AG, the ACA director as well as the Deputy Home Minister on prime time tv and investigate the “Tengku” live in real time, reality TV style. At the end of the show (or better still, season) they will then report to the PM, before a live audience (and telecast live) who will then decide who should be fired.

  29. #29 by Traveller on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 10:44 pm

    This is really scary. I thought it only happened in the movie, at least not so openly.
    Gangsters have always been known to have govt connections in many countries. But not so blatantly. To see them wielding such power and influence in the Malaysian police force that the police officers would go to unprecedented length to incriminate their own officers is just mind-boggling. The police seems to have no hesitation at all to send some of its own officers to jail just to protect the hoodlums. No wonder we cannot solve the Ah Long problem and the Ah Longs appear free to operate openly.
    I have been wondering for a long time how is that if that MCA complaint guy knows who to contact to negotiate for those who fall prey to these blood-suckers, how is that the police does not know these people. Now I understand why the gangsters are still doing their business. All these periodic clampdown and operations by the police against gangsters are just for shows. They go after the small minnows, probably even with the tacit agreement with the underworld. The real kingpins and Godfather are still alive and prospering.
    The govt is corrupted, the judiciary is also corrupted, and now even the police is corrupted. This is becoming a nightmare.

  30. #30 by AhPek on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:35 pm

    ‘For the sake of a smooth transition and a harmonious society, I would vote for anwar Ibrahim as PM and Lim Kit Siang as DPM.’.Endangered Hornbill.
    How I wish I’ve a magic wand and believe you me I will make your wish come true.
    But we have to be realistic in sizing up the situation.The odds stacked against the opposition party is so massive that to me it’s an impossible task to even get slightly more one third of the parlimentary seats to deny BN two thirds majority.To fight against the current ruling party is to fight against the huge government machinery at the disposal of the ruling party.To fight against the ruling party is to have huge financial resources to launch a campaign blitz to sell your party.What do we have —the finance resources of opposition parties are puny compared to BN.What about radio and TV time?? None to talk about for the opposition.Then again how to undo all the gerrymandering done during the mamak’s time, what about the postal and phantom votes and can PKR or PAS give 200 ringgit to each voter as widely as UMNO can in the MALAY HEARTLAND to win the hearts and minds of the Malay voters there.THESE ARE THE REAL BULLETS IN THE WAR IN MALAYSIA. BN has plentiful of ammunitions whilst sad to say OPPOSTIONS have bugger-all.
    So now you tell me how to get Anwar as PM and Lim Kit Siang as DPM.Bugger me if I know!

  31. #31 by AhPek on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:38 pm


  32. #32 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:45 pm

    A SIMMERING power struggle in the police force burst into the open on Tuesday when a top officer, who is accused of amassing assets of RM27 million (S$11.7 million), turned the tables on his accusers.


  33. #33 by AhPek on Wednesday, 31 October 2007 - 11:47 pm

    The first thing I think one should do is to keep pressing for electoral reforms.The first- past- the- post system with the constituency delineation engineered by that mamak spells an immediate doom to any wannabe party aspiring for political power 9either a party that denies two thirds majority or become new ruling party.
    THIS IS THE NO 1 IMPORTANT STEP TO MAKE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE!! Without that happening what’s the use of talking.It’s simply impossible.

  34. #34 by ktteokt on Saturday, 3 November 2007 - 12:15 am

    Before long, Ramli will be putting on a similar show as that by Zakaria, giving the excuse of large number of family members to feed and all that jazz!!!!

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