Lingam Tape – Nazri’s histrionics powerful reason why RCI needed

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz, is up to his histrionics again — yesterday claiming that he will ask the Cabinet today to provide protection for the people behind the recording of the Lingam Tape.

This was 48 hours after Nazri had declared “No Source, No Case”, castigated the people behind the Lingam Tape as liars if they dared not come forward to co-operate with the Haidar Inquiry Panel to determine the authenticity of the Lingam Tape on the ground that witnesses and whistleblowers are already fully protected under the various laws of the land, although he subsequently admitted that he had made a mistake when referring to the non-existent Witness Protection Act or Witness Protection Bill.

However, if various laws already provide protection to the maker or makers of the Lingam Tape, why is it necessary for Nazri to ask the Cabinet to provide protection for the people behind the Lingam Tape recording?

Furthermore, why ask the Lingam Tape makers to come forward to co-operate with the Haidar Panel when Deputy Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Najib Razak had said that the Panel is not supposed to call witnesses and must rely on the Anti-Corruption Agency and the Police in their deliberations?

At least Nazri has one quality which has so far been absent from other Ministers, the humility – some will say the “temerity” – to admit that he was wrong, although it is not clear what is the wrong of wrongs which Nazri is admitting to, whether in mistakenly claiming that there is a Witness Protection Act or Bill which are non-existing, or mistakenly claiming that the various laws already provide adequate protection for the maker or makers of the Lingam Tape to enable them to surface publicly to give information to establish its authenticity.

However, if Nazri could be so wrong in many aspects about his claim that the law already provides full protection for witnesses or whistleblowers, how are Malaysians to be assured that Nazri could not be equally wrong with regard to his earlier claim that the Chief Justice, Tun Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim had allegedly denied that he was the person that senior lawyer V.K. Lingam was talking to in the now infamous 8-minute Lingam Tape on the perversion of the course of justice concerning the fixing of judicial appointments, court judgments and getting a Tan Sri award?

In fact, the long thunderous silence of Ahmad Fairuz in not personally making such a denial in the most public and unmistakable a manner for the past three weeks since the revelation of the Lingam Tape by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has reinforced public doubts about the authenticity of Nazri’s claim, now that Nazri has proven to be so mistake-prone in his various public statements and assertions.

What will Nazri have to say if Ahmad Fairuz should deny that he had ever made such a denial as claimed by the Minister or if the Chief Justice proved to be the person at the other end of the Lingam Tape conversation?

What is incontrovertible about Nazri’s histronics is that his asking the Cabinet to provide protection for Lingam Tape makers after claiming that they are fully protected is that he has furnished a powerful argument why a Royal Commission of Inquiry is urgently needed as the Abdullah government is not serious or sincere in wanting to restore national and international confidence in the independence, integrity and meritocracy of the judiciary after an uninterrupted series of ravages in the past 19 years.

  1. #1 by AntiRacialDiscrimination on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 1:28 pm

    Nazri is talking like a patient in the Tanjong Rambutan Mental Hospital.
    He should resign and be admitted to the said hospital immediately.

  2. #2 by sotong on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 1:42 pm

    Don’t believe him….this guy lie during the puasa month!!

  3. #3 by ngahc on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 1:57 pm

    The more he made public statements, the more people knew his incompetencies. No point being emotional and made factually wrong statements to rakyat. We need a more competent minister to handle high profile cases and made factual correct statements to rakyat.

  4. #4 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 2:14 pm

    Nazri was entirely wrong about the Witness Protection Bill/Act. Since he subsequently clarified that he had actually meant other available legislations like Anti-Corruption Act, Criminal Procedure Code, Evidence of Child Witness Act and Anti Trafficking in Persons Act, he’s not entirely wrong but maybe only about ¾ wrong since out of the 4 Acts only one – the Anti Corruption Act – applies when ACA is conducting investigations simultaneously with the Haidar Panel and the Anti Corruption Act does offer a measure of limited protection to a witness provided the Public Prosecutor (PP) applies for it. The question is whether the government through the cabinet will undertake to grant immunity and instruct the PP to apply for it.

    Nazri was quoted by NST 8th Oct to have said, “the government and the police, too, can extend this protection to witnesses… I guarantee that we will protect the sources. Trust the government to do so. Who else can do it but the government? Can Keadilan do it? I don’t think so,” he added see link :

    Does the ‘ministerial guarantee’ of protection given by him who is a minister in charge of law and supposedly spokesman for the administration, vicariously binding upon the government? Or non-binding for being outside the scope of his ministerial authority to give or say??? :)

  5. #5 by kanthanboy on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 2:19 pm

    YB Lim,

    Do not compromise for anything other than a RCI. This government has zero credibility. Only a RCI can provide the necessary protection to witness. The judge can simply say guarantee by the cabinet is not the law. It is irrevalent.

  6. #6 by sotong on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 3:02 pm

    Don’t believe him…..we don’t know what else he does during this holy month!!

  7. #7 by straight talk on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 3:12 pm

    This is the putar belit training that was given by TDM for 22 years. Yes TDM is recovering at IJN…getting stronger.. I wish him a long life so that he can witness all the wrongs that he has done for the last 22 years. Our late YB Tunku Father of our Independence had ensure that our constitution is protected by 4 strong pillars. a) the Rulers b) Parliament c) Judiciary d) we the rakyat. What TDM did was slowly cut away all these pillars and made himself the proclaimer of all laws in the country. Parliament became a mere rubber stamp.

    Now our sleeping beast… has inherited a legacy which is hard for him to clean up as he had retained 95% of TDM’s baggage. Today’s Cabinet meeting will come to nothing… And Nazri will come and say that the entire morons in the cabinet agrees with him.

    Take joy this is Bolehland… Semua yang cabinet suruh boleh

  8. #8 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 3:30 pm

    It seems to be all politics as far as the tape is concerned.

    That is why it seems the government appears to be heading in so many different directions except the correct one of the RCI.

    It is trying damage control to retain public confidence and also by the manouvering the warring factions within UMNO. That is my speculation for today.

    As for the panel’s performance, out of more than 350 odd pollsters, only 2 decided they will solve the tape problem.

  9. #9 by on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 3:30 pm

    In my opinion, Nazri is an example of an intelligent person with no true integrity, no true honesty, and no moral character.

    Why? He keeps taking cheap shots at the RCI saying it’s not needed. “There is a misconception that such protection can only be given through the setting up of a royal commission. ” – Sadly, these type of cheap shots will continue to influence – little by little – public opinion. After this (and more of such “cheap shots” in future), there will be more and more of the Rakyat who will think that an RCI is not needed …

    Here’s another cheap shot – “Who else can do it but the government? Can Keadilan do it? I don’t think so,” . Of course no political party can guarantee safety of anyone, as this is in the realm of the police, and the government. If Keadilan became the government and BN the opposition, can BN then guarantee the safety of the individual? Of course not. So, clearly another cheap shot at the Opposition parties. Or frankly speaking, Nazri is mouthing “Pure Bullshit!”

    Further I suspect he purposely make public mistakes and sows confusion (e.g. the procedural anomalies noted by YB Kit) in order to confuse the public. (This is not a sign of someone stupid, but someone intelligent with questionable moral character).

    Someone should ask Nazri bluntly this question. “Let’s assume for a moment that the Tape is indeed genuine – now, who do you think has vested interest and motive to silence the witness?”. It doesn’t take an adult to know that the existing people who walks the existing corridors of power, from CJ Fairuz, perhaps all the way to the PM himself, has vested interest to ensure that the witness is silenced permanently. So, from the witness point of view, how can he/she ever come forward, when the charge is against the current Chief Justice and the current ruling party ??? (so simple logic)

    History is full of examples where when leaders are highly intelligent but lack good moral character (such as honesty and integrity), it is the people under them who turns out to suffer. This blog has given more than reasonable doubt (in fact, far too many proofs) that the government’s honesty and integrity is highly questionable, in fact, in some cases, downright dishonest and evil, that I for one don’t want the current leaders to continue to become leaders in the next GE.

    To be honest, even if the choice were to come down to PAS which the BN has persistently attacked, I’d rather choose any party other than BN. To continue to vote BN is just giving license for them to perpetuate this stupidity and evil … When Petronas and our country becomes a net oil importer in a few years time, when we no longer have the riches of natural resources that we enjoyed in the last 2 decades, I will not be surprised to see more economic repression of the Rakyat then … but sadly, by then, it would be too late, as the cancer would have spread too far, and the patient already terminal. In my opinion, this coming GE (and perhaps the next one), will be a very critical one for the Rakyat.

    Old observer.

  10. #10 by on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 3:51 pm

    Nazri and the BN government are desperately focussing on the “Messenger”, and ignoring the “Message” conveyed by the Lingam Tape.

    Anyone who has watched the tape and knows the right process for Judiciary appointments can immediately see the loud Message conveyed by the Lingam Tape. It is a total travesty of the process.

    The only acceptable vehicle to restore public confidence is to establish the Royal Commission of Inquiry, not this current Haidar panel rubbish who is basically powerless.

    As Rakyat, I want to see a Royal Commission of Inquiry, even if Haidar Panel and Nazri says “NO SOURCE, NO CASE”. The latter is Pure Bullshit Logic in my opinion.

    Old Observer.

  11. #11 by St0rmFury on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 4:12 pm

    Come November 10 (Saturday), make yourself free at 3pm:

  12. #12 by smeagroo on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 4:29 pm

    Nazri was apologising for the fact that he was borned into this earth.

  13. #13 by boh-liao on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 4:39 pm

    It’s so sad and pathetic to see our CJ, supposedly one of the most powerful guys in our land, behave like a gutless head-in-the-sand ostrich, “no see, no hear, and no speak”. If he was not the person that senior lawyer V.K. Lingam was talking to in the infamous 8-minute Lingam Tape, then be a jantan CJ and start the legal ball rolling against the parties that tried to smear his name and the judiciary of Malaysia. It’s not only his reputation at stake but also the honor and dignity of the judiciary of Malaysia are at stake.

    Who am I to tell our learned CJ to do the right thing?

  14. #14 by Justicewanted on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 4:49 pm

    Why the Bozo Nazri is so obsessed about the source of the tape?

    Even the witnesses and whistleblowers surface and testify, will the Nazri believe them and what other accusations will the Bozo will throw at them?

    Since when the cabinet has the jurisdiction of offering the witnesses and whistleblowers protection?? Is it a new law from the big mouth Nazri which we do not know?

  15. #15 by Rocky on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 4:58 pm

    Nazri is not vicarious liable…he is a liability for this govt ;) and all malaysian seeking a just society. speaks without thinking and a loose cannon. Thinks he knows it all and we are fools. Too bad there is no video evidence of his claim about witness protection act. anyone?

    The govt just wants to do a sandiwara to close this case.nothingthey have done so far has shown their want to get to the bottom of this and find the truth.

    cabinet guarantee…poodalah!!! They just talk only and HP6. promise us some many things still not done.

  16. #16 by on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 5:52 pm

    “Nazri was entirely wrong about the Witness Protection Bill/Act. Since he subsequently clarified that he had actually meant other available legislations like Anti-Corruption Act, Criminal Procedure Code, Evidence of Child Witness Act and Anti Trafficking in Persons Act, he’s not entirely wrong but maybe only about ¾ wrong …” – Jeffrey


    Jeffrey, thanks for point that out. Haha …

    So, from 100% wrong to “just” 75% wrong … One would think that when one is 100% wrong previously, one would attempt to get it right 100% the next time, but this is evidently not so with Nazri …

    Isn’t this called “mediocrity”?

    Does the guy deserves to even be a Minister?

    You’d think that his boss by now would have taken action on him long ago isn’t it? Why doesn’t that happen yet?

    Should excuses continue to be made on behalf of the boss? (that he’s sleepy head, that he has his hands tied, etc.?)

    Isn’t leaders supposed to be responsible for their managers & supervisors?

    Don’t forget to watch how the boss behaves in this saga … if he puts more attention elsewhere, then, what does it tell us? That this one million “other things” are more important than the state of our Judiciary?


    Old Observer.

  17. #17 by Cinapek on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:05 pm

    When the Cabinet you select is half baked and the policies and thinking made are done without proper thought, all you have to do is to put incessant pressure on these clowns and you can be sure they will trip over their own lies sooner or later. Theirs is a case of starting with one lie and then need two lies to cover that first lie and then later 4 lies to cover the two lies and so on and so forth until they forgot altogether what lies they have told and squarely put thier foot into their own mouth and choke on it as Nazri is doing now.

    But Doozy can only appoint HP6 Cabinet. If he appoints smart people he knows they will put him in their pockets. So the dumber his Cabinet is, the more secure he feels. And if they can combine brainless thinking with mindless rhetoric, it is even better as they would provide cover for his “elegant silence” .

  18. #18 by HJ Angus on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:09 pm

    In any organisation there is a need for people to do different jobs and in this case the so-called law minister is trying to ride shot-gun and protecting the government turf.

    This tape if not handled correctly can cause a lot of damage-in a more civilised nation like Japan, it may even cause the government to call for early elections.

  19. #19 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:24 pm

    We have to recognize the facts of Bolehland.

    Young man Namewee created a mere rap on national anthem, and they want to crucify him with calls of taking away citizenship, charging him under the National Anthem Act.

    This video clip – and what it purports to show – strikes at the very heart of public confidence in the institution of judiciary, the administration of justice – and foundation of Executive’s integrity.

    If the video clip were fabricated, not authentic and a work of art rather than reality by persons inclined to discredit the parties in it and the government, what do you think ordinarily will inevitably happen?

    First thing is that the senior lawyer and senior judge would have immediately repudiated and publicly and vehemently protested their innocence! This has not happened.

    Second, senior lawyer, who is a specialist in defamation cases having won several with mega awards, would have threatened anyone having anything to do with the making or publication of the video clip with a defamation suit of several million Ringgit.This has not happened.

    Third, the senior judge would have threatened to cite for Contempt of Court anyone having anything to do with the making or publication of the video clip, and again strangely this has not happened but a denial was ostensibly conveyed through a Minister in charge of law.

    Fourth, the government and law enforcement agencies would have sent in their team to arrest on charge of sedition anyone having anything to do with the making or the publication of the video clip, because it is sedition to bring into public hatred or contempt or to excite public disaffection against the government or the administration of justice in Malaysia out of mischief or malice with neither truth nor public interest being the justification.

    Now none of these 4 grave things has taken place.

    Instead there’s a lot of pussy footing around – a special 3 man panel (none of whom is a forensic expert on video camera images or sound), with limited frame of reference to examine authenticity of the video clip and no intention or the power to subpoena witnesses; we have the Minister in charge of law to argue that the whistleblower must surface or else it proved the video clip false and not authentic, and justification for the argument was Witness Protection Bill/Act which soon was discovered non existent, perhaps not even drafted yet by AG chambers, must less passed through any reading in the Dewan Rakyat, and all the time there is deafening silence from rest of ministers keeping away from the fray.

    So what are we supposed to make out of all these extra-ordinary events?

    If this impasse about whether or not to have the Royal Commission is not soon resolved, Malaysians don’t need the Royal Commission anymore to form their judgment of the authenticity of the video tape and what happened. They would have made up their minds.

  20. #20 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:27 pm

    I’m sick of this Nazri bashing.

    If somebody is stupid, that can be easily handled. The problem is with people who pretend to be stupid, not to understand and making all the errors but as a smokescreen to deflect public attention to the more serious issues.

    The only issue is what has the practice of fixing judicial appointments according to personal loyalties meant to the course of justice in this country. Has there in fact been a perversion in the course of justice as many here claimed??

    To be more specific, are there cases which have been wrongly decided??

    Jeffrey QC, we need you to do some research!

  21. #21 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:40 pm

    “…judge would have threatened to cite for Contempt of Court anyone having anything to do with the making or publication of the video clip, and again strangely this has not happened…” Jeffrey

    I’m afraid there is no contempt of court issue here.

    “…lawyer, who is a specialist in defamation cases having won several with mega awards, would have threatened anyone having anything to do with the making or publication of the video clip with a defamation suit…” Jeffrey

    The party or parties who disclosed the tape to the media is or are not liable for defamation. The tape is direct evidence i.e. it speaks for itself. He’ll have to sue the tape!

    “….the government and law enforcement agencies would have sent in their team to arrest on charge of sedition anyone having anything to do with the making or the publication of the video clip, because it is sedition…” Jeffrey

    But first it will have to meet the definition of sedition.

  22. #22 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:48 pm

    This guy Nazri at best is UMNO’s court jester. We should ignore his antics. At worse, he is a misguided and an arrogant politician who thinks being an elected member of Parliament gives him the right to insult the intelligence of ordinary Malaysians. As a court jester, he is doing such a bad job that he stumbles and fumbles and wrestles with his own shadow.

    It is time to leave him alone.

  23. #23 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 6:51 pm

    All the foot dragging and the “pussy footing” that Jeffrey so rightly characterized it is to allow time to pass so that the CJ could retire with his pension intact.

  24. #24 by Jeffrey on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 7:05 pm


    What research? Not QC and no time lah.

    Anyway it is public news – Former parliamentarian Wee Choo Keong is planning to challenge and apply for review of an election court’s decision in 1995 (12 years ago) which resulted in him losing his seat. Present CJ was the chief judge of Malaya then. And Wee’s name was ostensibly mentioned by the lawyer in the clip recorded in 2002 (when present CJ was the chief judge of Malaya then). Towards the end of the conversation, the lawyer was ostensibly recorded as saying: “You have suffered… so much you have done, for the election, Wee Choo Keong, everything.”
    If and when Wee sues, it will give ideas to every litigant who had lost the case involving the judges implicated or mentioned or the lawyer on the other side, to seek a re-opening of their cases. There is and will be no finality. Chaos may ensue.

    This is where the government is caught between the sledgehammer and an anvil ie. dilemma of hard place and a rock, either way, kaput.

    If Royal Commission denied, then inference will be drawn by public against it for cover up, forfeiting public confidence in the process but if Royal Commission is allowed and its finding is that video clip is authentic and everything in it true, then large sections of the judiciary would need to be amputated, which is another opposite facet of an immediate ‘judicial crisis’ arising out of the need to so called restore judicial independence and public trust in it!

    But alas that it is not all, it will open the entire Pandora box which may include:-

    * All litigants who lost cases where the prominent lawyer was acting for the opposite side before any of the judges whose names are mentioned in the clip might seek to re-open their cases for re-trial;

    *All 5 judges removed in 1988 or their estate if they are deceased or even ex judge Syed Idid might sue the government for wrongful termination of their appointments;

    *The ex premier in ICU might get a relapse for his role in 1988 confirmed;

    *Once and for all there will be justification for Judicial Commission and judges appointed by such commission may be so independent that henceforth no more favourable judgment may be expected in important and sensitive cases esp relating to contested election results; even the delineating of election boundaries and the Election Commission might be called to task, with no certainty of which way verdict goes in a contest by Opposition candidate.

    All repressive legislations contrary to Constitution will be challenged, and even the Constitution itself, its interpretation and existing judgments (on for eg Article 121(1)A] may be reviewed afresh with no certainty that the review would favour the government’s point of view.

    A lot is at stake here : not just the issue of independence of Judiciary, though that alone is important!

    It is the BN’s grip on power in the future. Don’t make life so hard for our government :)

  25. #25 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 7:23 pm

    “Undergrad2, you’re quite right about the not so known fact that it was Tun Razak who first took Datuk Harun Idris to task for corruption – it is said that Harun Idris incurred the enmity of the Prime Minister, Tun Razak, in the early 1970s (don’t know the actual reason why)…” Jeffrey

    What got Dato Harun Idris finally was his refusal amidst the controversy, to take on what was offered to him – if my memory serves me well, it was a post with the United Nations long regarded as a position reserved for senior members of UMNO who have become a liability and an embarrassment to the UMNO run government. Dato Harun Idris fits the profile perfectly.

    Dato Harun was charged inter alia (again if my memory serves me well) for pledging shares of the bank he sat as chairman/director to CITIBANK as security for Letters of Credit issued in conjunction with the fight between Muhammad Ali and Joe Bugner held in KL without Board approval. Had massive financial losses not been incurred this criminal breach of trust would not have surfaced.

    He served four years in jail. The last time I saw him was at Rajoo’s roti canai restaurant in PJ enjoying his normal diet of roti canai and curry fish head – a taste for which he had acquired whilst serving time.

    In the 70s, at least there was respect for the law. It was at a time when the rule of law meant something.

  26. #26 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 7:32 pm

    “But alas that it is not all, it will open the entire Pandora box which may include..” Jeffrey

    Agreed. At least there is this box. It is the duty of all Malaysians to see that the Pandora box is forced open and forced open in public.

    The prospect of it ever happening?? Zilch!

  27. #27 by humanly on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 8:12 pm

    Court of public opinion rules! Everything else is bullshit.

  28. #28 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 8:20 pm

    It’s about time Anwar unleash part 2 if there is one.

  29. #29 by undergrad2 on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 9:00 pm

    That will never happen. Because Part 2 shows V.K. Lingam talking to the person making the recording, and mentions him by name!

  30. #30 by anakbaram on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 9:51 pm

    This joker who is made a minister by the BN government always shoot before he aim. If characters like him can become ministers there is no one who can’t. He should be forced out or voluntarily come out.

  31. #31 by dawsheng on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 10:18 pm

    Someone had played Chief Justice Fairuz big time!

  32. #32 by negarawan on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 10:59 pm

    What’s wrong with these stupid BN ministers? Everytime they make a mistake, they put a blame on their press secretaries. I think if corrupted ministers are shot to death like in China, there will be no more BN ministers. Send them to China!

  33. #33 by Jong on Wednesday, 10 October 2007 - 11:21 pm

    RPK has more of this umno court jester here –

  34. #34 by trashed on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 1:25 am

    The comment by Old Observer on intelligent person but questionable moral standards brings to mind Bill Clinton – highly intelligent but boy, could he talk and twist & turn everything ! So much so, the US public knew that he was guilty but he created a scale of guiltiness, if such a description can be made.

    I agree with comments by undergrad2 and Jeffrey. They are buying time for the CJ to retire (soon). As for the repercussions of the findings of an RCI, either way we must do what is RIGHT and accept the consequences, even if it throws the judiciary into chaos.

  35. #35 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 5:33 am

    “….//..They are buying time for the CJ to retire (soon)…//…” – Jong.

    Well, that’s the least they could do for the beleaguered judge.

    Nazri had just confirmed that the cabinet could not provide an assurance of absolute immunity to the two whistleblowers if they decided to come forward.

    “The government’s stand is that we must allow the panel to go ahead with the investigation and at the end of it, we will consider what their report says and requests (made)”, the de facto law minister added.

    Which is as good as ensuring that the whistle blowers won’t come forward, the Panel would, come month’s end, say they could not make a determination due to no witnesses coming forward, and hopefully, with the subject and first cause of the controversy no more in the chair by then, public outcry for the Royal Commission, just like that for the IPCMC, will lose focus, peter off and be forgotten or distracted by yet another scandal having broken out by then….

  36. #36 by Tulip Crescent on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 6:39 am

    It seems to me that the tactic adopted by this intelligent but morally flawed joker without any character to speak of is to exhaust the stamina of concerned members of the Malaysian public.

    By exhausting our collective stamina, they end up getting to do what they want.

    And what they want is to ensure that the video-clip does no damage whatever to the judicial system which they are in control.

    I remember reading a book by a top Malaysian Judge where the politician said that they have the two-third majority to change the constitution if the Judges do not follow what they want.

    That threat, no matter how it is put whether as a friendly joke or worse still a serious affront, is surely an abuse of power.

    Make sure we work to make them lose their two-thirds, even if they threaten another May 13. They can no longer afford another May 13 because their stakes are very high.

  37. #37 by Bigjoe on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 8:41 am

    Its time to up the stake with those resisting public demand. I say a Royal Commission is no longer enough. Its just a first step. The public have decided that Fairuz is guilty and they are not wrong. By hook of by crook, Fairuz, Lingam and others need to hang and I mean that literally or substantively.

    If people like Nazri, Fairuz and Lingam is not punish, then there will be no reversal of faith in the system. Its no longer just about the judiciary but the government reform as promised three years ago by our PM.

  38. #38 by Jimm on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 8:56 am

    Well, there are more to it as the whole story would have involved more people than we have so far traced.
    As the CJ ‘s remarks stated that he is related to The Agong then, could have sparked off certain favor committed by UMNO to the then King. We all know how smart VT and The Done Master planning in gianing royal support.
    As for now, rakyat would prefer the RCI to be set up to create a friendly dimension for clean justice to be brought upon to this country again.
    All the Rulers should build back the Rakyat’s trust in our country system and constitution. We will support their intention as long as we can clean up all the ‘dirts’ in the past and start a fresh again.

  39. #39 by Jong on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 10:18 am

    “They are buying time for the CJ to retire (soon)”
    – trashed

    No Jeffrey, it wasn’t me who made that comment but nevertheless I fully agree with “trashed”.

  40. #40 by k1980 on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 10:24 am

    Changing of the guard on the way in Penang

  41. #41 by undergrad2 on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 9:21 pm

    I have always believed that no real ‘change’ will come unless we are prepared to do what is necessary i.e. galvanize public support behind a core of public issues. This is one.

    Malaysians irrespective of race and religion could identify themselves with an issue like this one. In fact the major players here are from all three races.

    Talk about a Royal Commission of Inquiry serves no purpose as there is no political will to seek the truth and to introduce reforms where reforms are needed.

    Since the lawyers’ march in protest, I believe we have lost the momentum, lost the initiative. Now the initiative is with the BN run government. They dictate the terms and they dictate the speed etc. Malaysians have lost yet another opportunity.

  42. #42 by shortie kiasu on Thursday, 11 October 2007 - 10:44 pm

    Nazri can be a good and hunourous clown in a London circus for his entertaining comments and statements all these while. He seems to know next to nothing with a Kosong-kosong kepala. What a mockery to BN government ministers and the PM himself. Birds of the same feathers gather together.

  43. #43 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Friday, 12 October 2007 - 8:01 pm

    shortie kiasu Says:

    October 11th, 2007 at 22: 44.37
    “Nazri can be a good and hunourous clown in a London circus for his entertaining comments and statements all these while.”

    Hello, Nazri, there is a vacancy at the Royal London Circus. Sorry, that’s all you are good for – third-rate clown in a third-rate circus with yr sick and slapdash jokes.

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