by T GOPAL
Kota Damansara
I just surfed the web and found three different news related to purchasing of Sukhoi fighter jet from Russia by Vietnamese, Indian and Malaysian governments. Go through the news and I will tell you why I smell something fishy here.
(1) India to buy 40 Sukhoi fighter jets from Russia in $1.6 billion deal
8 February 2007
Mumbai: The government is all set to sign a $1.6 billion deal with Russia for acquiring 40 Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters. The contract will be signed before the current financial year ends and the air superiority fighters would join the Indian Air Force’s combat fleet “in about three years”, Air Chief SP Tyagi, told reporters at the Yelahanka Air Force Base on the sidelines of Aero India 2007.
(2) 02 December 2003
Vietnam Orders More Fighters
The Moscow TimesVietnam on Monday agreed to buy four Sukhoi fighter jets for $100 million, a deal that adds fresh impetus to President Vladimir Putin’s drive to increase arms sales to Southeast Asia.
The deal, which follows sales earlier this year to Indonesia and Malaysia, means Southeast Asia this year may surpass China as Russia’s top arms market, defense industry experts said.
Vietnam signed a protocol agreement with state arms export agency Rosoboronexport to buy four Su-30MKKs, according to a source within Aviation Holding Co. Sukhoi. The fighters are made by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association.
(3) Malaysia to receive six fighter jets from Russia
Malaysia’s air force said Friday it expects to receive six Russian Sukhoi-30MK fighter jets in May – the first batch of 18 jets it purchased in 2003.
“It is anticipated that the first batch of Sukhoi-30MKs will be officially handed over to the Malaysian government in April 2007 in Russia, with the physical arrival in the country beginning May,” the Royal Malaysian Air Force said in a statement.
The arrival of the jets – bought in a deal worth US$900 million (EUR 750 million) – is “neither premature nor delayed,” it said, denying a local news report that the delivery had been pushed back by a year
Now let me summarise the key facts :
Now, do you see the picture? Vietnam bought the jets for US$25million each, the so called corrupted India bought for US$40million each but our government must be corrupted to hell to purchase the fighter jets for US$50million each. That is US$10 million more compared to India, so times 18, you get US$180 million or about RM600 million entering someone’s pocket. But if you compare with price paid by the Vietnamese government, it would be a cool RM1.8 billion. I wonder who’s pocket is that.
#1 by DarkHorse on Wednesday, 30 May 2007 - 6:52 am
“For Malaysia, we just buy and buy without proper evaluation and the end result will be getting fighterjets with 4 years old technology!!”
Only four years?? I am not surprised if the aircraft have been stripped off their parts to meet the price offered. Have to be cheap because the rest is commission.
#2 by i_love_malaysia on Wednesday, 30 May 2007 - 1:45 pm
According to kelangman, it was first revealed in 1993, so it should be 14 years old technology instead of 4 years old technology. I wonder why we take so long to take the first delivery i.e. after placing the order in year 2003??
#3 by choost on Thursday, 31 May 2007 - 12:01 am
Isn’t this how we creat Billionaires in Malaysia? Please get Guiness Book of Records to check and confirm that Malaysia creats the most numbers of Billionaires within a 20 years period. Just wonder why Malaysian government dares not claim this great record. Joke aside, this must be the greatest achievement no other governments in the world can claimed! Not even the so-called developed nations’ government!!!! Malaysia Boleh!!!!!
#4 by accountability on Sunday, 3 June 2007 - 5:13 pm
najis is really changing his lifestyle now!
#5 by accountability on Sunday, 3 June 2007 - 5:13 pm
…into one of insanely rich!
#6 by dodolll on Wednesday, 6 June 2007 - 9:41 pm
Malaysia purchase for special edition… that’s why a little bit expensive lah… more speed and accurancy…. if they do benchmark with other’s sukhoi… sure kalah one… some more the window is tinted….enemy can’t see who’s piloting the jet…hahahahaha
#7 by Orlando on Monday, 11 June 2007 - 10:19 am
Vietnam version are the most basic version of Sukhoi & tat y the price very2 cheap. MKI (India) Version are the best export version & that y more expensive & the nett price r around 30 to 35 each. Malaysian version are the basic version which Vietnam bought & plus some accessories which the value shud b around 30 mil so the 20 mil for who’s pocket? Than of coz to the pocket of person who come with this purchase idea than the person who approved the idea. Air superiority, of coz the Sukhoi better than F16 or F18 (4th generation fighter) as Sukhoi-30MK are 4.5 generation fighter. Sukhoi-30 hv same class with US F15 block E/F. US F16 & F18 good during Iraq & Afghan operation becoz Iraq & Afghan do hv good air defense as Iran do ie S-300. That Y US & NATO till today not dare to attack IRAN as they don’t want to sent their BIRD to be shut down. For long term, it’s good for Malaysia to have an advance Jet fighter as now if we hv a war S’pore with current equipment, for sure they easily kick our ass. So as Malaysian…. vote for DAP to avoid our tax money go to our Datuk2 pocket.
#8 by forrestcat on Friday, 12 October 2007 - 2:41 pm
India could bring the cost down because they manufacture their own Su-30MKI. Vietnam’s as far as I am concerned bought a less capable version of the Sukhoi, presumably a Su-27, which is the SU-30 predecessor.
Malaysia’s Su-30MKM is also more expensive as we ditched the Israeli avionics which is standard in all Su-30 and opted for a hodgepodge of South AFrican and French avionics, which also requires more $$$ to integrate.Su-30MKM dun even have a manual yet coz it’s so different from other versions.
The Su-30MKM procurement is soooo risky that MAF clearly stated that they want the F-18F Super Hornet, not more SU-30MK..well at least until integration problems associated with the Su-30MKM is solved.
#9 by citizen on Friday, 12 October 2007 - 4:15 pm
According to defense analysts, Su-30MKM and Su-30MKI are the most modern Su-30 aircraft in the market and are far more advance than Su-30MKK purchased by Vietnam.
The Indian and Malaysian versions are similar but weapons are different. The malaysian version has Damocles laser designator pod from Thales (laser guided gun) whereas the Indian version does not have. The Malaysian Su-30MKM is fitted with a missile approach warning system and laser warner by Saab Avitronics in South Africa. I believe both variants have similar systems but probably from different manufacturers.
We are not comparing apple to apple because the Su-30MK series is customizable. Like you buy a car with CD player (if come with what brand), leather seat, EBS/ABS, single/double air bags, etc.
I think more meat is required in order to say that something fishy is happening.
#10 by thaksan on Saturday, 13 October 2007 - 9:14 pm
My opinion is that the jets are only as good as the pilots flying them. The British and Americans pilots have proved this in various battles throughout history that they have out gunned Russian jets of much superior class.
Anyway, the question is: do we need to invest such an amount on next gen military hardware at all?? Do you see any threat to the nation? I think the military spending should have been spent for nation building instead, for the sake of Malaysia’s future!!!
For more on Graft in Malaysia’s Defense Ministry go to:
http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=720&Itemid=31
#11 by thaksan on Monday, 29 October 2007 - 5:43 pm
Citizen is right: the sukhoi-30 is highly customizable. The details on the Malaysian variant can be found in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30)
Su-30MKM
Based on the MKI, a highly specialised version for Malaysia with the same platform but a French, Russian and South African combination of avionics. It will feature head-up displays (HUD), navigational forward-looking IR system (NAVFLIR) and Laser Designation pod (LDP Damocles) from Thales Group of France, missile approach warning sensor (MAWS) and laser warning sensor (LWS) from AVITRONICS company of South Africa, as well as the Russian BARS NIIP N011M AESA radar, electronic warfare (EW) system, optical-location system (OLS) and a glass cockpit.
–> Why do i feel that having need three different countries to supply our most advance air superiority fighter is a bad idea? Only time will tell…
#12 by dk on Monday, 10 December 2007 - 3:02 am
to kurakura: Su-30 is designed for the purpose of air superiority compared to F-16 which is a multi-role fighter. So in terms of technical capabilities…Su-30s are at a vantage point in a dogfight. But no use great planes without great pilots…then again, when it comes to skills and training, our pilots are fammished compared to singpore’s experienced pilots. Only a fight may tell us of the outcome…very subjective indeed.
#13 by dk on Monday, 10 December 2007 - 3:10 am
Btw, i heard singpore got aircraft carrier…that seems rather radical for such a country to make such a procurement…do i see their need for an aircraft carrier? Maybe no land to build airport hehe…LK Yew’s pretty delussioned sometimes…
#14 by aztechx on Saturday, 15 December 2007 - 10:13 pm
well..our Sukhois were equipped with state of the art avionics and were custom made according to our needs..our order was considered very much of the high end which means the price cant be compared to those of vietnam because their orders were for a ‘basic’ Su-30..a better comparison would be with the indians Su-30MkI..but the indian sukhois were manufactured in india as they had approved license from sukhoi to produce those planes there..that would explain the cheaper price..PLUS,we had to go through the hassle of replacing the israelis avionics with those from thales(france) and south africa whereas the MkI came with the default avionics..
just my 2 cents.. :)
#15 by steiner on Saturday, 17 May 2008 - 12:35 am
those who criticise about malaysian su-30 mkm’s procurement should consider this:
“AKhK Sukhoi supplies to Vietnam four Su-30 MK2 fighters
Sukhoi aviation holding company has delivered to Vietnam four Su-30 MK2 heavy fighters, the company said in a statement. The contract was made in December of 2003. In 2004, the company entered into the contracts for delivery of 50 planes of Su type with the aggregate contract value over $2.5 bln.
As informed, establishment of OAO Sukhoi aviation holding company (AKhK Sukhoi) has been completed this year. In particular, AKhK Sukhoi received in management 74.5% both in Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation production association (KNAAPO) and Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association (NAPO) as well as 13% in Irkut Corporation, 38% in Taganrog Aviation Research and Engineering Complex (TANTK), 50% plus a stock in OKB Sukoi. State-run stake in the holding stands at 100%.
Gateway to Russia – December 20, 2004. ”
http://patrick.guenin2.free.fr/cantho/vnnews/sukhoi.htm
procurement made in year 2003 cost as much as what has been charged to malaysian government which is at the average value of myr50 million/unit (omitting the other things included in the package)
#16 by Alharam on Wednesday, 18 June 2008 - 4:28 pm
Oh, when Singapore goes on a spending spree for its defence modernisation, it’s okay. It’s okay for them to have more than 90 F-16 Fighting Falcons and in the process of acquiring F-15 Eagles to beef up its air superiority arsenal. Tapi kita di Malaysia tak boleh? Kenapa pulak? I think the Sukhois are necessary. Tolong la berbangga sikit dengan negara. Jangan sampai this turns into something racial.
#17 by Alharam on Wednesday, 18 June 2008 - 4:29 pm
Not acquiring sophisticated weapons will not end corruption. The former is not the root cause of the latter.
Do we need the Su-30MKM and the Scorpene SSK? A definite, “Yes!” Should all Malaysians should fight corruption? Off course. But not by leaving us weaker vis-a-vis other countries. Friendly neighbours become covetous when they feel they can get away with it.
#18 by Alharam on Wednesday, 18 June 2008 - 4:31 pm
As compared to Singapore, Thailand and to a certain extent Indonesia, the modernisation of our armed forces are highly unlikely to make them quake in their boots. Vietnam even has a potent SAM battery, the S300.
The modernisation of our armed forces are necessary and timely.
Thailand recently bought 12 Gripen and 2 AEW planes for USD 1.2 Billion, more expensive than our USD 900 Million purchase of 18 SU-30MKM and assortment of missiles. The SU-30MKM has better payload, greater range, same avionics as the Gripen, better manouverability than Gripen thanks to its TVC, better future than Gripen due to the big number of Flanker fleets in Asia.
Singapore recently purchased a squadron of F-15s, several La Fayette Class FFGs, 2 more subs, and to ensure enough carnage in case of war, HIMARS. And if one bothers to check the US DoD report, Singapore bought additional 200 AIM120Ds, 200 AIM9X in ‘05.
Indonesia is doing the same as well, in August 2007 they have agreed to purchase USD 1 billion worth of arms from Russia.
Thailand for reason best known to themselves, bought an aircraft carrier !
I believe weapons spending is a sheer waste of resources, but having said that .. this is the reality of life that we live. Weapons spending is a necessity. Which is why any ToT, off set programme is a welcome addition.
I remember during the Ambalat crisis we had with Indonesia, the Indonesians were sending surface vessels, several F16s in a show of force. Our Govertment was sane enough not to send our MiG-29s or FA-18s to counter Indonesia’s F16 or sending our Lekiu Class FFGs. We only sent a few small patrol boats there.
The Pulau Batu Putih/Prada Branca episode with Singapore, well .. less sabre rattling but enough boats were sent that could lead to minor skirmishes.
I remember 2-3 years ago, some Philippines Senator was making dumb threat of invading Sabah. He was later told by his colleague that their armed forces would be slaughtered by the Malaysian military had they attempted.
Correct me if I am wrong, Thais, Indonesia and Singapore have had submarines more than 10 years ago. By now they would have an established submarine doctrine. We are just getting our toes wet in this Sub business.
I wish we live in better times, in times of peace, not of fragile peace. That all apparatus of destruction is shipped to space and dumped as junk.
I am not suggesting that Thais, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines are our enemy, but they have constantly upgraded their defence capability and we need to do the same.
I know it is is not nice to suppress any views, but some idiot out there would say that we are no match for US. If defence purchase is measured by whether a country can defend against US, no one will purchase arms since the defence spending of US is bigger than UK/Russia/China/France put together.
#19 by Alharam on Wednesday, 18 June 2008 - 4:32 pm
Hi. Ronnie liu speakinhg here. For me all this jets buisness is just a waste of goverment funds. Why waste the people money? Why dont we give the people free water so they can waste more water? Why dont we give the power to the people and ignore all the laws? Why dont we do more and more street demos becouse its seems to be so much fun? Why dont we ram the FRU with a car and put all the blame on the police for being to hard even though somebody just ramed them with a car? Yes lets do that….. Who do we want to fight anyway… Yes.. We must not buy all this weopons becouse it seems to offensive by our neighbouring countries.. Eventhough their armed forces are far more advance than ours we must never follow in their misrable path.. This is a community reminder by ur friendly neighberhood superhero Ronnie Liu YB of Pandamaran.
#20 by logicman75 on Sunday, 28 September 2008 - 9:18 pm
I believe that under table money is paid on the Sukhoi Deals. I also believe that Malaysia could get a much better price after firece negotiations as this is an RFI, RFQ.
Sukhoi aircraft sold to Vietnam and China differ alot in terms of avionics, weapons systems and more. If you go an read how defence purchase are made, there are a couple of aspect that people should know which is the purchasing method. Once includes fly away cost and the other is a unit fly away cost. What differs is the latter has insurance and warranty and tested by factory pilots for certification. The first is aircraft coming out of the factory way malaysian engineers need to test, pay for aviation fuel and certify by themselves with no warranty. There is 2 substantial cost difference among these. You can add a package of weapons which are not sold on units of missiles but a propwer package. Like vietnam, they have ordered the aircraft but not the weapon package as the weapon are already available. This same applies to China and India. As for Malaysia, we bought a weapons package that is abit more different to those weapons bought for the MIG-29 even though both are interchangeable for some weapons but not all the weapons. Malaysia also purchased warranty and certified guarantee plus large amount of spare part. Vietnam didn’t do that and so did india as the spare parts are already there and never calculated.
Why Malaysia sent pilots to be trained in India and not Russia as the earlier batch was done so in Russia but due to Language problem, were sent to India due to their english speaking nature and that they are expert in using and maintaining Russian weapons systems. Though i dont suspect RM 180m going into someone’s pocket but maybe less than that!…In Malaysia, all defence arrangements are arranged through middleman, agents as they are called. Why because the agents may have influence within the MINDEF. We aren’t the only country in the world that do this. Basically every country in the world does this in a corrupt way, some are so sophisticated that no one will know until several years latter!..We Malaysians are good at corruption but we just dont’ do it sophisticatedly nor do we hide it efficiently!..
#21 by pakkua80 on Wednesday, 11 November 2009 - 2:42 pm
Mr. Lim,
Can you try to investigate why is our RMAF is not up to par with the rest of ASEAN in shooting skills ? http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/topics/aarms09/index.html
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=108150&page=475
Check the links and you will see for your self.