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#1 by sheriff singh on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 9:36 pm
Why were ‘bin’ and ‘binti’ used for them in the first place and not ‘son of’ or ‘daughter of’ as is common ? Are these two words ‘Islamic’ words used to confirm a person is definitely a Muslim ?
This matter can be resolved very easily but certain quarters are just not cooperating. What is their reason?
#2 by Jeffrey on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 10:23 pm
The NRD would only act upon Syariah High Court to determine whether those Bumiputra Christians whom it had listed as Muslims are not Muslims indeed????
Why is it that the NRD will not act on secular civil court’s determination whether those Bumiputra Christians whom it had listed as Muslims are Christians instead???
In a nut shell matters may have gone so far that the NRD in Semenanjung have taken upon themselves that they would listen to the Syariah High Court and not the secular civil court. This is a minus for BN. It is sensitive to Sabahans who are parochial : they don’t like Semenanjung ‘s interference especially on matters of religion. It is point 1 of the 20 point agreement that regulates Sabah’s joining Malaysia in 1963. Point 1 says: “While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo and Labuan”!
#3 by drngsc on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 11:51 pm
The only way to right this wrong is to change the Federal Government. You cannot reason with these people at Putrajaya. Faith by legal decree. Sounds like the Spanish inquisition, except that it is now the 21st Century. We must free these Sabahans, and allow them to choose their own faith.
We must change the tenant at Putrajaya. GE 13 is coming soon. First to GE 13, then to Putrajaya. Failure is not an option.
#4 by monsterball on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 4:55 am
Dirty religion politics has gone to the extreme where Malaysians are experiencing problems…from nothing to something.
It’s an easy problem to solve…so they said….and yet not solved.
It’s another worthless words and promises.
#6 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 7:56 am
///The only way to right this wrong is to change the Federal Government./// – Drngsc. To do that PR needs to break BN’s stranglehold over the ‘Fixed Deposit’ states (Sabah for eg). PR has to win locals’ confidence, tap & leverage on the local issues & parochialism and desire to thwart political interference from Semenanjong. Can PR do that? Yes plenty of local disgruntlement on Projek IC, Kitab issue, RM40 million AmanGate, MyKad Islamisation etc But who in PR could make further inroads to breach BN’s fortress? Not PAS. DAP has made some inroads to open branches with local bumi – Kadazan/Dusuns/Murut etc – but is its reach wide enough? PKR/Anwar reaching out to Wilfred Bumburing and Lajim Ukin does not mean their influence goes beyond Tuaran. PKR has done great damage to Opposition Cause in the recent past when they alienated local warlord. If Jeffrey’s State Reform Party contests a mix of state seats and parliamentary seats, it will engage in tripartite contest with PR’s & BN’s candidates. Local sentiments there – if BN’s Islamisation were a problem and alienate the Christian vote, in what way PR aka PKR and Anwar’s perceived partiality towards local Muslim leaders be any different??? That’s the problem. yhsiew proposed PR “can garner support from “Islamised” Christians by promising to rectify the problem once it is voted to federal power”. Will Anwar be prepared to openly guarantee that??? I doubt.
#7 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 8:15 am
Right now, whats happening, is that there’s a groundswell of unhappiness against BN and many are so fed up that they are willing to vote a monkey against a BN’s candidate, which means that they are willing to overlook warts and all of PR’s weakness ie (marriage of ideological incompatibles like DAP & PAS and a PKR with a perceived UMNO’s DNA). That having been said, the Anwar/Azmin solidarity in PKR has alienated a lot of otherwise staunch supporters of PR- eg Zaid, Jeffrey Kittingan (their backers who were once backers of Anwar as well) and discouraged a lot of others and their parties from jettisoning BN to join PR! PR does not have East Malaysians’ wide support. Like many West Malaysians wanting a change, many don’t know where to turn to – they either become optimistic desperadoes to vote PR (warts and all) or pessimistic desperadoes to still vote BN as known devil or untried angel like Jeffrey Kittingan’s State Reform Party or abstain from vote! For PR to triumph it has to be perceived (from public declarations and consistent actions) a sharp contrast of being inclusive and radically (not just a notch or two) different from race and religion politics of BN…Neither PKR nor PAS leaders have projected sufficiently that contrast. Only DAP but in terms of office bearers/membership it may still be perceived overwhelmingly “Chinese”.
#8 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 8:34 am
Therefore to conclude that our numero ono Ah Jib Gor is prevaricating on calling election and postponing it because of his uncertainty of BN’s chances of winning – this may be true or may not be the case though those of us bent on drngsc’s change we must. Change we can, Change we will” will like to believe is the case and will believe it true. There’s however another interpretation: his main focus is not winning Putrajaya (Federal power alone). He’s delaying in part to see how he could neutralise his rival’s moves within UMNO – thats one part- and the other, to tie up loose ends of whatever he has hatched to take back at state level the coveted State govt of Selangor! Its the richest state and a lot of deals involving lands etc which UMNOputras and cronies are involved are in Selangor. Land is in state List under state govt’s purview & authority; any other big deals invariably involve land that requires State Govt to play ball. They can’t do that freely with Khalid Ibrahim as MB!
#1 by sheriff singh on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 9:36 pm
Why were ‘bin’ and ‘binti’ used for them in the first place and not ‘son of’ or ‘daughter of’ as is common ? Are these two words ‘Islamic’ words used to confirm a person is definitely a Muslim ?
This matter can be resolved very easily but certain quarters are just not cooperating. What is their reason?
#2 by Jeffrey on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 10:23 pm
The NRD would only act upon Syariah High Court to determine whether those Bumiputra Christians whom it had listed as Muslims are not Muslims indeed????
Why is it that the NRD will not act on secular civil court’s determination whether those Bumiputra Christians whom it had listed as Muslims are Christians instead???
In a nut shell matters may have gone so far that the NRD in Semenanjung have taken upon themselves that they would listen to the Syariah High Court and not the secular civil court. This is a minus for BN. It is sensitive to Sabahans who are parochial : they don’t like Semenanjung ‘s interference especially on matters of religion. It is point 1 of the 20 point agreement that regulates Sabah’s joining Malaysia in 1963. Point 1 says: “While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo and Labuan”!
#3 by drngsc on Monday, 5 November 2012 - 11:51 pm
The only way to right this wrong is to change the Federal Government. You cannot reason with these people at Putrajaya. Faith by legal decree. Sounds like the Spanish inquisition, except that it is now the 21st Century. We must free these Sabahans, and allow them to choose their own faith.
We must change the tenant at Putrajaya. GE 13 is coming soon. First to GE 13, then to Putrajaya. Failure is not an option.
Change we must. Change we can, Change we will.
#4 by monsterball on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 4:55 am
Dirty religion politics has gone to the extreme where Malaysians are experiencing problems…from nothing to something.
It’s an easy problem to solve…so they said….and yet not solved.
It’s another worthless words and promises.
#5 by yhsiew on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 6:15 am
Pakatan Rakyat can garner support from “Islamised” Christians by promising to rectify the problem once it is voted to federal power.
#6 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 7:56 am
///The only way to right this wrong is to change the Federal Government./// – Drngsc. To do that PR needs to break BN’s stranglehold over the ‘Fixed Deposit’ states (Sabah for eg). PR has to win locals’ confidence, tap & leverage on the local issues & parochialism and desire to thwart political interference from Semenanjong. Can PR do that? Yes plenty of local disgruntlement on Projek IC, Kitab issue, RM40 million AmanGate, MyKad Islamisation etc But who in PR could make further inroads to breach BN’s fortress? Not PAS. DAP has made some inroads to open branches with local bumi – Kadazan/Dusuns/Murut etc – but is its reach wide enough? PKR/Anwar reaching out to Wilfred Bumburing and Lajim Ukin does not mean their influence goes beyond Tuaran. PKR has done great damage to Opposition Cause in the recent past when they alienated local warlord. If Jeffrey’s State Reform Party contests a mix of state seats and parliamentary seats, it will engage in tripartite contest with PR’s & BN’s candidates. Local sentiments there – if BN’s Islamisation were a problem and alienate the Christian vote, in what way PR aka PKR and Anwar’s perceived partiality towards local Muslim leaders be any different??? That’s the problem. yhsiew proposed PR “can garner support from “Islamised” Christians by promising to rectify the problem once it is voted to federal power”. Will Anwar be prepared to openly guarantee that??? I doubt.
#7 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 8:15 am
Right now, whats happening, is that there’s a groundswell of unhappiness against BN and many are so fed up that they are willing to vote a monkey against a BN’s candidate, which means that they are willing to overlook warts and all of PR’s weakness ie (marriage of ideological incompatibles like DAP & PAS and a PKR with a perceived UMNO’s DNA). That having been said, the Anwar/Azmin solidarity in PKR has alienated a lot of otherwise staunch supporters of PR- eg Zaid, Jeffrey Kittingan (their backers who were once backers of Anwar as well) and discouraged a lot of others and their parties from jettisoning BN to join PR! PR does not have East Malaysians’ wide support. Like many West Malaysians wanting a change, many don’t know where to turn to – they either become optimistic desperadoes to vote PR (warts and all) or pessimistic desperadoes to still vote BN as known devil or untried angel like Jeffrey Kittingan’s State Reform Party or abstain from vote! For PR to triumph it has to be perceived (from public declarations and consistent actions) a sharp contrast of being inclusive and radically (not just a notch or two) different from race and religion politics of BN…Neither PKR nor PAS leaders have projected sufficiently that contrast. Only DAP but in terms of office bearers/membership it may still be perceived overwhelmingly “Chinese”.
#8 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 8:34 am
Therefore to conclude that our numero ono Ah Jib Gor is prevaricating on calling election and postponing it because of his uncertainty of BN’s chances of winning – this may be true or may not be the case though those of us bent on drngsc’s change we must. Change we can, Change we will” will like to believe is the case and will believe it true. There’s however another interpretation: his main focus is not winning Putrajaya (Federal power alone). He’s delaying in part to see how he could neutralise his rival’s moves within UMNO – thats one part- and the other, to tie up loose ends of whatever he has hatched to take back at state level the coveted State govt of Selangor! Its the richest state and a lot of deals involving lands etc which UMNOputras and cronies are involved are in Selangor. Land is in state List under state govt’s purview & authority; any other big deals invariably involve land that requires State Govt to play ball. They can’t do that freely with Khalid Ibrahim as MB!
#9 by dagen wanna "ABU" on Tuesday, 6 November 2012 - 8:47 am
So umno thought it was a great idea to be proactive in turning ignorant natives into muslims without their knowledge.
All such moves, like the rest of umno’s moves, are directed at umno’s own foot.