Malicious Mindset and Perverted Priorities


BY: M. Bakri Musa

The continuing furor over a college dropout’s allegation that he had been sodomized reveals the malicious mindset and perverted priorities of the Abdullah Administration.

It is also a gross perversion of justice. Those who would have Anwar swear by the Quran and voluntarily donate his DNA to the police, whose reputation is only slightly less soiled than the criminals they apprehend, have it backwards. It is the norm of the civilized world that one is innocent till found guilty; it is for the state to prove its case beyond any reasonable doubt.

I can excuse law-illiterate Abdullah for not appreciating such nuances, but for his law-trained ministers like Rais Yatim and Syed Hamid not to know that is reprehensible. They are breaching their profession’s ethics and ideals.

Besides, since when has our Quran been debased to a lie detector? If only the truth could thus be readily sought, we would not need expensive forensic investigations! Such naiveté!

What with the economic challenges, endemic corruption, and rampant crime in the country, our leaders’ voyeuristic obsession on this alleged male-on-male khalwat represents gross misuse of scarce state resources, a flagrant perversion of priorities.

Perverted Priorities

In this 21st Century, a charge of sodomy sounds so, well, medieval! To think that in Malaysia today that ‘crime’ carries a 20-year prison term! Perhaps some diligent law student could tell us the last time there was a sodomy trial in Malaysia. I am not counting the 1998 case against Anwar Ibrahim that was subsequently overturned on appeal.

That was nothing more than a crude political maneuver to smear and silence the former Deputy Prime Minister. The glaringly shoddy forensic investigation and amateurish prosecution did not in the least embarrass the authorities.

Nonetheless, in the process Anwar suffered that infamous black eye, the result of being senselessly beaten while in custody by no less than the Chief of Police. The country however suffered an even more damaging black eye, figuratively speaking, from that sorry episode.

Many countries have repealed their sodomy laws making it no longer a crime. Even prudish Singapore reduced the penalty to a maximum of only two years, a far cry from Malaysia’s 20!

Such an enlightened attitude does not mean that society treats lightly or refuses to acknowledge male-on-male sexual assaults. Many jurisdictions have removed the gender specificity to the crime of rape, meaning it can be perpetrated by man on man. It would not surprise me that, like everything else, the Malaysian penal code has yet to be updated to recognize this new reality.

Unlike rape, which requires the legal determination of lack of consent, sodomy does not have that statutory burden. Enough that sperms (or any tissue) other than that of Saiful’s were found in his anus, a fact that could be established through forensic examination. That overrides the “he says, she says” (or in this case, ‘he’) argument. The authorities’ long delay following completion of the forensic examination signals something sinister.

In the context of modern criminal law, what the young man is alleging is that he had been raped. Of course in conservative Muslim Malaysia, a rape charge does not quite have the same devastating political impact as that of sodomy. Indeed, in UMNO’s upcoming party elections one of the candidates for Vice-President was once accused of raping an underage girl.

This sodomy investigation is less the seeking of justice for a ‘soiled’ pretty boy, as Abdullah would like us to believe, more an orchestrated political exercise in character assassination. The recent public opinion polls confirm this.

Meanwhile there are two statutory declarations linking Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak and his wife Rosmah to the brutal murder of a Mongolian model, a translator in the scandalous multibillion dollar submarine deal with France. By whatever measure, the viciousness of the crime or the personalities implicated, these other two allegations are considerably more serious. You would not know that from the reactions (or lack thereof) of the officials.

This sodomy allegation has been commented upon by ministers, senior officials, and Members of Parliament. Don’t they have substantive matters to worry about? Even science-illiterate Abdullah has suddenly become an expert on DNA and its use in forensic investigations!

Now we have evidence that another physician had also examined the young man and found no external indications of bodily injury. This fact was known to the police but it chose to ignore it, until the report was exposed by Raja Petra in his Malaysia-Today.

Although that first physician’s assessment was not a formal forensic examination, nonetheless its negative clinical findings cannot be dismissed. Discrepancy between it and the subsequent official forensic examination must be explained. It throws reasonable doubt to the charge.

The story gets even more bizarre. The victim had a special “visit” with Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak right after the alleged incident. Najib apparently took pity to this stranger. Such paternal concerns! Even more inexplicable is why Najib or his subordinates would allow access of this nondescript political climber.

Serious Problems Neglected

There is no shortage of critical problems facing the country. Citizens’ concerns are far from these sexual shenanigans, real or alleged, lurid or otherwise. They are too busy eking out their daily living. Our leaders’ preoccupation with these silly things merely confirms our deepest suspicions of incompetence and omission at the highest levels.

We suffer daily through the rot of our institutions, as when we visit the land office to pay our assessments or see the dilapidation and neglect that is our children’s school. On the roads we are harassed by those menacing Mat Rempits and have to contend with those boys in blue demanding their share of the “road toll.”

Where are our leaders? Asleep at the wheel, and with Abdullah, literally so! With the upcoming UMNO elections in December, they are even more distracted.

Tun Mahathir, hitherto a trenchant critic of Abdullah, unhesitatingly supports him in this latest action, declaring that it is unlikely for Abdullah to be stupid enough to repeat his (Mahathir’s) mistake of a decade ago. Mahathir deludes himself if he believes that Abdullah has now suddenly become smart or has his priorities right. Mahathir is also mistaken if he thinks that Anwar is as stupid as Abdullah to repeat or be caught with the same mistake.

Contrary to Mahathir’s new-found assessment, Abdullah is as inept and incompetent now as he was before Saiful’s statutory declaration. Abdullah will remain so until we get rid of him. Mahathir was wrong on Abdullah before (as he now readily admits); Mahathir is wrong on Abdullah now.

When Mahathir asserted that we must get rid of Abdullah for the good of the party and country, his message resonated with the masses. In supporting Abdullah’s current foolish action, Mahathir not only risks diluting his central message but also jeopardizes his last chance at remedying his earlier grievous error in anointing Abdullah.

With Abdullah asleep at the wheel, continue to expect the worse. As for this sodomy charge, look ahead to the mainstream media to be filled with silly utterances of our politicians and pundits, as well as prurient details of this slimy case. I for one do not look forward to the graphic description of the private anatomy of this pretty boy who started the ball (pardon me, his balls) rolling.

  1. #1 by budak on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 2:34 pm

    like today Dollah told his boys to concentrate on Anwar return rather than his own return into UMNO presidential palace…

    why…?

    diverting UMNO-BN lap-dogs attentions for giving him xpressway to draw bloods at Rakyat’s expense…

  2. #2 by yhsiew on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 2:47 pm

    We have all this mess going around because BN want to exploit the wealth and resources of the country for personal gains and they know they can only do this if they cling on to power.

  3. #3 by twistedmind on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 2:53 pm

    Lets talk about Sodomy !

    The number of ‘bapuks’ out there , offering their backsides daily for mostly Malay customers (95% or more, from observation). Have you heard of any ONE of them being charged for SODOMY?

    What type of a law system do we have? Selective prosecution?

    There are daily offenders – hundreds of them (Lorong Haji Taib has enough evidence) – has one one being charged before in Malaysian history?

    ONLY WITH ANWAR!

    You make the conclusions.

  4. #4 by Godfather on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 2:54 pm

    Fabricating and manufacturing evidence is the forte of the Malaysian police and AG’s Chambers. They honed their skills under the Mahathir administration, and now they have been given carte blanche by Badawi’s handlers to pursue the same methods against Anwar.

  5. #5 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:03 pm

    It is better to get Saiful and Najib to a lie detector test, in front of the people!

  6. #6 by oknyua on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:06 pm

    Just my thoughts, M. Bakri Musa.

    The wheel has turned, the season had changed. Their leadership chapter had passed. Why the persistent hunt against Anwar? We know the answer; perpetuate perversion of justice for their greed, positions and of course, money.

    Relinquishing their posts is not easy, sir. But to accede to Anwar is even worse. Anwar represents what they are not. And for the Police and AG, Anwar reminded them what they did 10 years ago – that memory haunts them and the possibility of justice applied against them drove them to their present actions (stupidity).

  7. #7 by wanderer on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:24 pm

    Bapa of Sodomy, Tun Mamak is now infected by Bodohwi’s flip flop mentality. His choice of a Umno President has changed not less than 3 times. This old man must be entering his senile phase!
    Your days are over mamak, you are a spent force, your service is no longer needed.

  8. #8 by PureMalaysian on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:35 pm

    My very curiosity is:

    If TDM was still the PM today, what would he have done to oust DSAI?

  9. #9 by Jan on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:45 pm

    What would he have done?
    Mattress in, mattress out.

  10. #10 by yskong on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:46 pm

    UMNO-BN can do what ever they wan’t, because their are in power now, but our people will see, will judge, cos we are not blind and as stupid as them. Who is so stupid enough to believe all this are true and not a conspiracy?

    can a 61yrs old man force a strong young healthy 23yrs old macho-man to open his ass for him to penetrate while against his will?

    is saifool just an ordinary victim of sodomize since he can go to meet Najis anytime he wan’t, or Rodwan?

    Why Saifool seems very happy after claiming sodomize by DSAI, with his fist raise in the air, and with the smile of succesfull?

    DSAI I support you, eventhro you will go to jail (probably), BN can beat you one guy, but in the same time 27mil malaysian will be waken up! The time for BN in power is getting short, after PR rule the federal government, you will be release and at that moment, you still can take them one by one to face the justice! It will not be too late, we all will wait and watch!

  11. #11 by i_love_malaysia on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:47 pm

    TDM will use his time proven old tricks – more sodomee!!!

  12. #12 by i_love_malaysia on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:54 pm

    AAB may not be smart in the eyes of the common men or TDM, but he definitely has his “gift” of remaining in power by unconventional ways, else Najis would have kicked him out long ago!!! Why should he be no. 2 when he can be no. 1!!!

  13. #13 by sani on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 3:59 pm

    En M Bakri Musa + YB Lim

    We saw it coming in the 70’s. The May 13th incident open the door to all kind of abuses that leads from the greed of Man.

    En Bakri hit “the nail on the head” on many occasions. So many people knows it, but how many dare to speak up. Again + again, i must say, we Malaysians are the dumbest of the smart societies.

    Not only are our politicians, we as a Nation are short on spirit to take up challenges + to fight for what we believe in. Until recently, most of us don’t even dare to buy political parties news letters or to attend ceramahs.

    We as a people are to blame, for giving the Racist BN ammunition to steal not only our wealth, but our racial harmony + our children’s future. We saw it coming in the 70’s. If we repeat our arms folding like in the 70’s,80’s + 90’s, as the BN band of thieves (or any Political identity, given that almost absolute power) continue to rob us, we will be the Zimbabwe of the 2020’s.

    Stand up + to be counted for our Children.

  14. #14 by Loh on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:10 pm

    ///When Mahathir asserted that we must get rid of Abdullah for the good of the party and country, his message resonated with the masses. In supporting Abdullah’s current foolish action, Mahathir not only risks diluting his central message but also jeopardizes his last chance at remedying his earlier grievous error in anointing Abdullah.///– Bakri Musa

    The enemy’s enemy is the lesser enemy. We can tell now that either TDM hates Anwar more than he hates AAB, or TDM fears Anwar more than he hates AAB. Between hatred and fear of the law, hatred can take a back seat.

  15. #15 by gundam on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:15 pm

    bn’s ugly intention and policy is to create chaos and hardship for the people so tat they r too occupied with making ends meet and no time for politics.

  16. #16 by Wisdom above on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:25 pm

    Many bloggers and doctors are wondering why the Malaysian Medical Association (MMA) has so far not spoken !

    Will the MMC take action against Doctors for breaching professional conducts in 1998?

    Will the MMC take action against govt Doctors for breaching professional conducts for 28-6-2008 at HKL ?

    Where is IPMC against Police for misconduct ?

    Where is Bar Council against AG for misconduct ?

  17. #17 by mohrafael on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:42 pm

    If Confucius were alive, he would have given his words of wisdom to those who have listened to the story created by the univ dropout.Confucius would have just kept it short and used sign language. Our DSAI has a great learned wife, with great learned children, and many good learned friends and learned associates here and world over. He is no ordinary person, he is a thinking man, he can talk well, do well. To link him with sodomy is absolutely “tak terima akal” (does not make sense). His rivals have run out of ideas in a very desperate attempt to derail his plans. You just see the timing and sequence of events, this dropout has been used by very, very powerful people. And to ensure convincing and winning, people can resort to extremes by using the words “swearing upon Quran”. I believe Malaysia Malaysians are very mature and better educated than before, and can judge this phenomenon.

  18. #18 by walao on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:42 pm

    Our leader is good in martial ass….flip in flip out. Fade in fade out… Time for us to throw in the white towel for him.

  19. #19 by boilingmad on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 4:56 pm

    Tun Mamak’s indecisiveness in believing in AAb’s capability is surely showing signs that he is becoming senile. One day when AAb says something that he agrees, then AAb is the right choice, when AAb says something contrary to his belief, then he isn’t. Aiyo, this is not becoming of someone who once was a PM. I think the maggots have gotten into his brain.

  20. #21 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:30 pm

    /// Tun Mahathir, hitherto a trenchant critic of Abdullah, unhesitatingly supports him in this latest action, declaring that it is unlikely for Abdullah to be stupid enough to repeat his (Mahathir’s) mistake of a decade ago. Mahathir deludes himself if he believes that Abdullah has now suddenly become smart or has his priorities right. Mahathir is also mistaken if he thinks that Anwar is as stupid as Abdullah to repeat or be caught with the same mistake. ///

    The guilt, hypocrisy and sliminess of TDM is inadvertently shown to the whole world through this utterance.

  21. #22 by bennylohstocks on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:32 pm

  22. #23 by badak on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:33 pm

    Now that UMNO and MCA are having their elections,We the rakyat are seeing how dirty and corrupt local politics are.Hamid Albar said money politics in UMNO is so bad that it had effected its grass roots.Hamid is making noise now because it is effecting his own seat.
    In the MCA election second rung leaders are acussing the top leaders, of having an assasination squad. Not the type that shoot to kill,But to assassinate their character.
    Is this the bunch of bigots, who we are voting for, to rule our country.
    So what, if at party level money is used to buy votes.If you escape that is good for you.If you are caught to bad,But no worries.You can still hold on to your YB,s seat.Remember Tan Sri Isa.He was caught for money politics He was ban from UMNO for six years but still held on to his Parliament seat.

  23. #24 by badak on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:41 pm

    With so much holes in Saiful sodomy case ,I wonder how the DG can drag this case to court.In rule of law, it is Saiful who must prove that he was sodomize.But then again this is Malaysia land of UMNO Bigots.

  24. #25 by fido on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:43 pm

    Extract from Star…

    Monday August 4, 2008 MYT 4:30:51 PM
    PM on his approval rating: Never mind-lah

    KUALA LUMPUR: Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was accepting of the drop in his approval rating as suggested by an opinion poll conducted by the Merdeka Centre recently.

    “Nevermind-lah. That’s the fate of politicians. Up and down. What’s important is what you do before you leave,” he said after a meeting with Wanita Umno leaders at the Putra World Trade Centre here on Monday.

    The independent research centre polled 1,030 Malaysians from July 4-16 to gauge voters’ perception of current issues, the state of the economy and the leadership.

    The survey found that Abdullah’s popularity had plunged to below 50% for the first time in his premiership, from a record high of 91% in late 2004 after he won his first term as Prime Minister.

    #########

    Mr Never Mind has really no more hope! No further comments. We ARE already a 3rd world country! Is that how the govt leads a nation? What happened to the Malaysia Boleh spirit, Mr Never Mind?

  25. #26 by atlk on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:43 pm

    Mix.FM lie detector can help !!!!!

  26. #27 by k1980 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:47 pm

    Let’s say Dollah was Dr M’s DPM in 1998 and they had a fallout (as they are having now). Then I daresay Dollah would had been jailed for sodomee and then black-eyed in the process

  27. #28 by alhard on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:55 pm

    The government is too pre-occupied with staying in power that it seems to have forgotten that to stay in power, it has to ensure the basics of good governance – peace, prosperity, harmony, fairness and religious piety.

    PDRM is failing to do it basic job of keeping security. How could they when they are constantly being used for political cases instead of criminal cases. 5 of my relatives’ houses were broken into and they all live in different towns. But none of the cases were solved. In one of the case, the thief/thieves dropped a mobile phone and it was handed to the police but the case is still open (or maybe chucked aside).

    Similarly the Dep Health Minister claimed in The Star that we should not listen to rumor regarding chikungunya epidemic in Jasin-Muar-Tangkak area as only 6 cases were verified. Personally, I know of 8 people who contracted the disease and some of them are still suffering joint pains – the after effect, after visting the area. They were not admitted to hospital. I suggest the Dep Minister go down to talk to the private clinics doctors in these areas before he made such statements. I will not blame the government if it call a spade a spade and carry out actions to eradicate the aedes mosquitoes instead of denying and getting more people infected by visiting these areas. If the minister is trying to calm the people, then I say that in this internet age, it does not work this way. Truth cannot be hidden for long.

    The government machinery is broken but the leadership is just applying band-aid solutions instead surgically removing the rot. Are they incompetent to perform such “surgery” or they are still living in their glass or rather crystal palaces.

  28. #29 by melurian on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 5:59 pm

    why don u ppl for once choose to believe anwar really is sodomite, just like bijan in mongol bombing case…….

    dua dua cerita sama hearsay, dua-dua sama tak ada evidence….

  29. #30 by Godfather on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:22 pm

    melurian:

    In a previous post, where you said Malaysia is richer than Singapore, many readers posted comments stating how dumb you are. This new posting of us really shows that you are at the same mental level as Badawi.

    Even if Anwar is a sodomite, the “victim” is a 23-yr old who is still around and has access to the residence of the DPM (and will even get a rather “large” scholarship). The mongol bombing case involves a murder, and millions in corrupt commissions. The gomen chooses to suppress evidence in the mongol case, while it uses the full extent of its muscle to fabricate and manufacture evidence in the sodomy case. You obviously can’t tell the difference since your individual IQ is very low but the cumulative IQ between you and Badawi could possibly bring that up a little bit.

  30. #31 by Godfather on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:23 pm

    sorry, typo “…this new posting of yours…”

  31. #32 by Richardqed on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:24 pm

    “Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was accepting of the drop in his approval rating as suggested by an opinion poll conducted by the Merdeka Centre recently.” The Star

    “Nevermind-lah. That’s the fate of politicians. Up and down. What’s important is what you do before you leave,” he said after a meeting with Wanita Umno leaders at the Putra World Trade Centre here on Monday.” The PM.

    Looks like Bodohwi himself accepts and believes the figures from the survey, and he didn’t question them. So, when Kasim Amat mentioned that those who believe the survey figures are stupid fools, it is obvious he is talking about Bodohwi. Kasim, please have more coordination with your big boss. You talk about fools, and soon after that, your boss becomes your prime example of one.

    As for AAB: The important thing is, when his rating drops, is to go gracefully and with dignity, not make excuses to stay on.

  32. #33 by Godfather on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:25 pm

    At an official function, Badawi was asked which was nearer – Singapore or the moon. Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?”

  33. #34 by undergrad2 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:27 pm

    Here’s a man who says seeing is believing. Is that why he is often snoozing on the job?

  34. #35 by undergrad2 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:27 pm

    oooops ‘seen snoozing on the job’

  35. #36 by Richardqed on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 6:34 pm

    “why don u ppl for once choose to believe anwar really is sodomite, just like bijan in mongol bombing case…….
    dua dua cerita sama hearsay, dua-dua sama tak ada evidence”
    — melurian Says:

    I think everyone is open to having both cases tried in a non-Malaysian court as long as they are convinced the Barang Naik thieves cannot manipulate the results. Everyone knows what the result will be: Anwar freed, and Najis ends up in Mongolia. And do not attempt to stereotype the two cases as if they are the same, because they are not. One is an elaborate cover-up, the other is a frame-up, and everyone knows which is which.

  36. #37 by One4All4One on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 7:07 pm

    A good and indisputable indicator of a good governance is one with room for individual opinion and independence of thought (sensible one lah , of course!).

    When everybody, read:the collective leadership, ( in a complex situation that involves the affairs of a nation of multi-ethnic and multi religious background) could agree 100% on the nation’s policies and issues, it smacks of an iron hand, or even “hidden hands” behind the ruling administration.

    Voices of dissension should be allowed in order that views and opinions from all quarters are taken into consideration. Albeit the fact that every nation is guided by a federal constitution of sort, it is not an absolute piece of document. This is because as time and situation change, man-made laws must be adjusted to suit the changed environment and for the better. We cannot allow laws to hold at us at ransom, and to benefit only a segment of the society and to be abused by so-called power-that-be to perpetuate gross administrative, political and social indecencies and excesses.

    The losers are always the simple and regular folks like you and me.

    Leaders of true integrity and vision would always be guided by principles which always have the welfare of the rakyat at the core of their policies. And decisions would always be arrived at after comprehensive consultation with all quarters. There would be a sense of fairness in the air and even if there are disagreements after that, it would be on the further improvement on what had already been agreed upon in the earlier rounds.

    The state of maladministration and mismanagement of the nation is sticking out like a sore thumb. The question is why is that not addressed immediately and with utmost urgency. Why are “little Napoleons” and intermediaries of questionable integrity like divisional level political party, be allowed to hold the nation at ransom, even to the extent of influencing decisions and deciding on the person holding the ever important post of premiership?

    Something is not right here.

    It is time the leadership is seen to be accountable to ALL the citizens and not only to a select group.

  37. #38 by k1980 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 7:15 pm

    PENANG: P44 – Permatang Pauh 2008 Voters: 58,449

    Party Candidate Votes Majority
    UMNO Datuk Pirdaus Ismail 16,950
    PKR Wan Azizah Wan Ismail 30,348 13,388

    Can umno’s billions (obtained by reducing fuel subsidies for the rakyat) succeed in buying off PR supporters? A bribe of RM500 to a poor voter with many mouths to feed might cause him to cast his vote for umno.

  38. #39 by One4All4One on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 7:18 pm

    What is the role of our so-called “august parliament”? The institution which is supposed to be bestowed with the sacred task of drawing up legislation to benefit, protect, and defend the rights of the rakyat?

    What is missing here? The peoples’ representatives in the highest law making body in the country must be seen to be doing its job. Else we can make do without them, and come up with alternative system of administrating the country.

    Let truth, fairness, logic, common-sense prevail.

  39. #40 by dasty on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 7:28 pm

    ” melurian Says:
    why don u ppl for once choose to believe anwar really is sodomite, just like bijan in mongol bombing case…….

    dua dua cerita sama hearsay, dua-dua sama tak ada evidence….”

    Some people might wonder why will the government do Sodomy case II all over again as it is horrendously obvious that Anwar is being set up and it’s all a conspiracy. Let me clarify your doubts. There are still people like melurian out there, who choose to believe in the unbelievable. Unbelievable huh? Believe it.

  40. #41 by thepriest on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 8:25 pm

    why PE Am used we do not fear Anwar. Why dont he say I do not fear Anwar. having also from Penang should resign and brave enough to face DSAI and PP votes will make sure you lose your deposit,, welcome Najz and saifool…. so that both will be so do mee by raayat in this BE.

    Ezam called DSAI a traitor. He is truely a TRAITOR why bcos he joined back dens of thieves and arrangont corrupt moron when he aware and knowingly when he left them. A traitor to Umno and a traitor to RKR and now a traitor to the raayat who had voted for PR.

  41. #42 by pulau_sibu on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 8:26 pm

    Wan Azizah should be the role model for not just Malaysian women, but also women in the muslim world. As a woman, she moved to the political forefront and she performs so much more better than men. She is sure going to inspire many women in the world, especially among the muslim countries.

  42. #44 by bra888 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 8:52 pm

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/8/4/nation/20080804174525&sec=nation

    I believe that teacher should be prosecuted for committing a hate crime. Does Malaysia have any laws against hate crimes?

  43. #45 by wanderer on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 8:55 pm

    No point trying to convince this bloke melurian with facts….he just has’nt the brain to adsorb them, just like the Umno monkeys.
    These are the sort of people, have their blinkers on all the time, in their minds only ‘easy money and evils’.

  44. #46 by k1980 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 9:00 pm

    Does that History teacher has a background of uttering racial slurs or was that the first time she has done so under provocation from her students? The school principal needs to provide a clear profile of that teacher for the public to comprehend her outburst

  45. #47 by vyti on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 9:02 pm

    Mamak should be brought to book for the billions of the rakyaats money that he squandered and wasted to enrich himself and his croonies. He is the direct cause of us having to pay more for petrol today.Money was just flushed into the waiting hands of his people. Look at his sons? How did they amass this kind of wealth. If this is not enough he is still hoping for the crooked bridge. Surely he is all crooked to say the least. Our misery and pain today is because of him

  46. #48 by Blue.kinetic on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 9:41 pm

    A little off topic here.

    quote from Star online today’s news

    “PM on his approval rating: Never mind-lah”
    Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was accepting of the drop in his approval rating as suggested by an opinion poll conducted by the Merdeka Centre recently.

    Now, you know what kind of person is running our country and with his altitude, do you think he cares about people voice ( which he always claim he is) and does he has strong will , determination and execution to bring Malaysia to higher height? I doubt with this Tak apalah altitute…

  47. #49 by cemerlang on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:26 pm

    If this whole affair is orchestrated by a certain group of people, it is because they think Malaysians still prefer to believe in juicy gossips and to spread them around like crazy. Malaysians have to prove to the government that they have their own minds to think. They are civilized and open minded and think that one is innocent until proven guilty. Mohd Saiful Bukhari bin Azlan was raped ? A strong 23 year old male was raped ? Or may be he is suffering from some psychiatric disease ? Probably a visual hallucination.

  48. #50 by yhsiew on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:33 pm

    “We have gone on the ground. We have been meeting the MPs, including those in Sabah and Sarawak,” he said. “They remain committed to the reform agenda.” – YAHOO ASIA NEWS

  49. #51 by limkamput on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:50 pm

    I think all the democratic processes, election, and separation of power, whichever ways you choose to look at them are a farce. There is no avenue for peaceful transition of power in Malaysia anymore. Let’s don’t kid ourselves. Am I right undergrad2?

  50. #52 by Jeffrey on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 10:56 pm

    ///In this 21st Century, a charge of sodomy sounds so, well, medieval!/// – Dr Bakri Musa.

    You can say that again!

    Just the other day (July 20) Pink Triangle Foundation programme’s director Raymond Tai said that “The public should be aware and understand that sexuality is a personal affair and should be accepted.” The government was urged by the foundation to address discrimination against homosexuals, adding the money allocated for welfare could be used for campaigns to educate the public on sexual orientation. Homosexuals were urged to be brave in talking about their sexual proclivity. More important a member of cabinet represaenting the government – Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Dr Ng Yen Yen – said that homosexuals were also eligible for welfare aid and said they could apply for it if they meet the necessary requirements. See report in The Star Sunday July 20 in this link:
    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/20/nation/21863209&sec=nation

    If the government were sympathetic to plight of homosexuals (a position represented by Dr Ng Yen Yen – why now seek to actively prosecute sodomy (an act associated with homosexuals)? Where is the internal consistency in policies?

  51. #53 by IloveDAPforever on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:07 pm

    I can’t believe that this scumbag & innocent looking traitor Ezam can just turn his back on his once good friend Anwar and attacking him with threats to expose Parti Keadilan’s ‘secrets’.

    Just wonder if he doesn’t know what shameful means in acts of betrayal !

    Hope he will get pelted with rotten eggs when he campaigns in Permatang Pauh for the rotten BeEND. He must have been well- rewarded to cross over to the BeEND sinking ship. Maybe he is looking forward to sit on Companies’ Board of Directors and getting a Tan Sri like Lee Lam Thye when he abandoned DAP just before a General Election.

  52. #54 by sam_marine2005 on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:16 pm

    hello there,

    lets all (rakyat) contribute for a better future for malaysians.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/6ai18u26/petition.html

    sam

  53. #55 by IloveDAPforever on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:20 pm

    Just watched the Singapore Channel News Asia’s news announcing that Bodohwi’s popular ratings have tumbled from a high of 91% during his MrClean days as PM to a current low of 42% .

    It is so embarassing to watch our thickskinned, tidakapa attitude & most useless PM (not counting Tun Mamak) proudly consoling himself that it is ok and normal to have fluctuating surveys. Real thick skinned & must be made a laughing stock in efficient Singapore. What a rotten PM !!

  54. #56 by Jeffrey on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:22 pm

    It is said that authorities are contemplating charging Anwar for unnatural act under section 377A of the Penal Code.

    Section 377(A) says that “any person who has sexual connection with another person by the introduction of the penis into the anus or mouth of the other person is said to commit carnal intercourse against the order of nature”.

    Why are then investigations made against Anwar for suspicions of anal sex and no investigations or charge against Dr Chua So Lek for oral sex (that he admitted) though both acts are defined “unnatural” by 377(A)?

    Don’t get me wrong : I am not suggesting any charge to be levied against ex health minister, and I regret even to have to cite such an example but it has to be done to demonstrate selective enforcement of law. (Both acts were covered by same section 377A).

    It cannot be said often enough that for law and its enforcement to be respected by the rakyat their application should not be selective.

    Else it becomes a farce. Look at the findings of Dr Mohamed Osman of Hospital Pusrawi that there was no evidence of sodomy on Saiful. This should be end of matter. It was the first finding made by a medical practitioner after Saiful complained of anal pain and being sodomised. The first medical examination – and finding – is always the most important as it records most immediately what was allegedly supposed to have taken place just before.

    Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.

    If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity here related to sodomy. If there were such a specialist how many ‘patients’ like Saiful he would get a year???

  55. #57 by wizzerd on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:38 pm

    We have the biggest village idiot in the world for a PM!!!

    Just read his reply to reports of his plunging popularity////,,,so blardy stupid..equally stupid are his remarks with regard to the MRR2 cracks.

  56. #58 by lhslhv on Monday, 4 August 2008 - 11:38 pm

    For Melurian

    I had a former Diploma student who was very good in talking about a religion. Whether they were sensible or logical was immaterial. When it came to study he was a mediocre.

    Some people can be like him who has no sense of right or wrong. The intelligence level is dubious.

  57. #59 by mohrafael on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:03 am

    PM & his deputy just orchestrated “a morning sickness”, so much so it’s very, very unbecoming of national leaders,…and they are still harping on! When we were still children, we called this “cartoon”. this is even low-class cartoon. There are many more important issues PM and deputy need to address urgently, and resolve; don’t neglect further lah, otherwise directors from Hollibood will approach such people, for cartoon roles, not lead roles unfortunately. Long live DSAI, PR all the best..

  58. #60 by nafasbaru on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:42 am

    it is an abuse of the Quran.

  59. #61 by Jong on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:43 am

    Godfather Says:
    Yesterday at 18: 25.20

    At an official function, Badawi was asked which was nearer – Singapore or the moon. Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?”
    ———-

    A good one, rolled in laughter, nearly fell of the chair! :D
    Imagine those ampu bodeks still insist he stays as President of UMNO. Something’s terribly wrong with the whole bunch of them.

  60. #62 by Rakyat Teraniaya on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:53 am

    YB Lim, it’s now time for you to mobilize DAP election machinery and PAS to also mobilize theirs to fully support DSAI on his struggle to get access to the parliament and oust racist corrupt useless badawi najib khairy regime. Let’s all show solidarity, trust, cooperation and the common goal for the betterment of Malaysia in between Pakatan Rakyat members. Good luck and God bless.
    Long Live Pakatan Rakyat!
    Long Live PKR!
    Long Live DAP!
    Lnng Live PAS!

  61. #63 by melurian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:00 am

    “Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?””

    i called him smart if he answered this for the riddle – he answered in short, simple and straightforward with “valid” reason, and “out of box” too. and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.

  62. #64 by nafasbaru on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:03 am

    yskong Says:
    “can a 61yrs old man force a strong young healthy 23yrs old macho-man to open his ass for him to penetrate while against his will?”

    Yah! And on eight different occasions! Can you beat that? A 61-yr old grandpa (with backache) forced the belt, the buckle, the pants and panty off this 23 yr-old in his prime. Then he forced him to open his arse for penetration. My God! Who on earth can believe such filthy trickery as this? We are already the laughing stock of the world.

  63. #65 by Richardqed on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:40 am

    “Badawi replied: “The moon-lah. Don’t think I am stupid. You can’t see Singapore from here, can you ?””
    i called him smart if he answered this for the riddle – he answered in short, simple and straightforward with “valid” reason, and “out of box” too. and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”. — melurian.

    Without a doubt: the real Bodohwi would side-step the question because he does not know the answer as usual, and instead embark on some moronic statements to stall for time until the end of the interview. Feel free to dig for video clips of his interviews with foreign news agencies.

  64. #66 by choonchoy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:00 am

    Enough with the sodomy crap, already. What about oral sex? I would guess many a persons would be found guilty for this one. Mr porn star should be charged, shouldn’t he? Just because nobody made a police report, so no case? I thought if it was law then the “crime” is against the state. Then again, our governors think we are booooh doooh. Yup, we are boooh doooh, they are still there.

    Here’s a HYPOTHETICAL situation. Lets say there is a beggar without any friends or family. This unfortunate beggar gets gruesomely decapitated by some thugs and the whole event was caught on video, with the penetrators faces clearly captured. They disposed the body carefully. The person who filmed the crime didn’t want to make a report but he sent the tape to the police anonymously. So, should or should not the thugs be brought to justice?

    Now back to the famous anus 2, even if the sodomy charges are true which I find it hard to stomach. I don’t give a shit about anybodies sexual orientation as long as it is not forced and all parties are of age (unlike someone, old enough to be her grandfather). The most important thing is he/she has what it takes to lead the country forwards and not backwards!!!

    B N stop this obsession with Sayfoul backside. If you like it so much go kiss it for all I care but do something about the economy.

    Yes, guys I know it is hopeless. They are deaf and duff.

    MRR2

    MRR bridge is falling down,
    Falling down, Faling down,
    MRR bridge is falling down,
    Mr Presley.

    Take a key and lock them up,
    Lock them up, Lock them up.
    Take a key and lock them up,
    I Gee Pee.

    Never mind with Sayfoul’s ass
    Sayfoul’s ass, Sayfoul’s ass,
    Never mind with Sayfoul’s ass
    I Gee Pee

    How will we build it up,
    Build it up, Build it up,
    How will we build it up,
    My fellow rakyat?

    Build it up with gold and silver,
    gold and silver, gold and silver.
    Build it up with gold and silver,
    The Primate is drooling.

    Gold and silver we have none,
    we have none, we have none.
    Gold and silver we have none,
    It has all been plundered.

    My butt has pins and needles,
    pins and needles, pins and needles.
    My butt has pins and needles,
    Caused by the (toooot (self censor)) jam.

    Hey, I said pins and needles,
    pins and needles, pins and needles.
    I said pins and needles,
    Sayfoul don’t get horny.

    You should have used wood or stone,
    wood or stone, wood or stone.
    You should have used wood or stone,
    Then there’ll be some scars.

    Now what do with this falling bridge,
    falling bridge, falling bridge,
    Now what do with this falling bridge,
    Before someone GETS HURT.

    Build it up with stone so strong,
    Stone so strong, Stone so strong.
    Build it up with stone so strong,
    Mr Presley.

    Stone so strong will last so long,
    Last so long, Last so long.
    Stone so strong will last so long,
    Not in Bolehland.

    That’s because it looks like stone,
    looks like stone, looks like stone,
    That’s because it looks like stone,
    But it’s Marble cake.

    Ho Chiak!!!

  65. #67 by pjboy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:02 am

    When is sha-biri chick stepping down? He promised to do so if he failed in the debate, which he did miserably. Not living up to his words. Typical BN v-i-p.

    Would love to see a debate between PM & DSAI. That should be the way. Top leader vs Top leader. Top leader sending a sheep for slaughter is no leader but a coward in hiding.

    Btw, who wouldn’t want DSWA (ex Permatang Pauh MP) to be the next Malaysia’s 1st lady? Currently got 3 choices: Jeanne, Rosmah & Wan Azizah. Take your pick.

  66. #68 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:22 am

    mohrafael Says:

    Today at 00: 03.03 (2 hours ago)
    PM & his deputy just orchestrated “a morning sickness”, so much so..”

    Are they pregnant?? Do we know who the fathers are??

  67. #69 by bennylohstocks on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:36 am

  68. #70 by Loyal Malaysian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:14 am

    Well said!
    But the sad fact of the matter is that the MSM is totally in the hands of the UMNOputras[yes, even The Sun] and so they will dispense the conspirators version of truth
    And only those of us with access to the Net will get a neutral analysis like yours.
    So, let’s see what type of mattress will be dragged into court this time.!!

  69. #71 by trublumsian on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:33 am

    did the nature of saifool’s complaint ever got released to the press?

    all the hoopla is on whether the igp finds the evidence at hand, or lack of, is enough to charge anwar. what many westerners find baffling, though, is the illogicality in the whole purported crime. for example how did a 63 year old man with a bad back get a 23 year old dude not only to strip, but bend over, AND succumb to the dildo??? IF the whole boopah did happen, either a gun was to saiful’s head, or he played the willing! how does bn answer to that??

  70. #72 by bumi-non-malay on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:22 am

    Role Model and Example For Malaysia are Karpal Singh, Tan Seng Giaw, Lim Kit Siang, Lim Guan Eng…….

    so ….

    pulau_sibu:

    Wan Azizah should be the role model for not just Malaysian women, but also women in the muslim world. As a woman, she moved to the political forefront and she performs so much more better than men. She is sure going to inspire many women in the world, especially among the muslim countries.

    You must be a new generation being fed with history that are not accurate. Give me Marina Yussof anytime as Role Model of muslim women and why is DAP taking so long to ask Marina Yussof to join DAP??

    For your information Wan Azizah while she was DPM wife and praticing doctor at University Hospital was so arrogant and so Islamic that she never touched a non-malay because it was her Islamic teaching from Abang…..Thanks be to Allah that Anwar needed a wake up call from Tun Dr. Senile to see things more clearly in life. Today its a 180 degree change……

    There are thousand more muslim women who can be model and example….and not necessary wear tudung.

  71. #73 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:52 am

    News about Altantuya and Najib and Saiful and Anwar took half a page of the New York Times today! It is disgraceful!

  72. #74 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:52 am

    News about Altantuya and Naji*b and Saiful and Anwar took half a page of the New York Times today! It is disgraceful!

  73. #75 by svarta_vingar on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:12 am

    i just want DR.M to be our PM again.

  74. #76 by Kathy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:23 am

    Undergrad2, no juicy news about the Presidential candidates (Obama and McCain) that they have to resort to dig news from the other side of the earth????

  75. #77 by Malaysian Mummy on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:39 am

    UMNO old dirty political tactics nothing but talking racist issues as claimed by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, “Nak tolong melayu kena tindas cina, nak tolong cina kena pukul melayu, ini politik lama.” whereas UMNO components parties, MCA, MIC, Gerakan, PBS, SUPP, LDP etc are chicken out parties dare not voice a single word to defend their own races. It is very shameful indeed for all matured parties in BN government for past 50 years are still playing racist cards and talking on racist line. The BN leaders forgot about Bangsa Malaysia agenda but continued to confuse rakyat using cakap cakap kosong dan false promises to deceive the rakyat.

    NY Times carried 1/2 page stories about Najis & Mongolia girl C4 case and sodomy case on Saiful were shameful stories for future premiership of Malaysia commented by a Negro cab driver in Washington lately.

    Pak Lah said “NEVER MIND” his fall in popularity ( unquote : As long as he enriched UMNO cronies, families and allies at the rakyat expenses to suffer inflation and prices increased ) What a shameful PM to accept a setback result with a smiling face ?

    Last but not least, a Doomday for Malaysia Boleh !

  76. #78 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:12 am

    Kathy,

    The heading reads “Political sex scandals rock modest Malaysia” and it was a good half a page of the New York Times – with pictures of Naj*ib, Badawi and Anwar. To make it to the New York Times at all is a big deal even over here!

    Half a page of advertisement would set you back by US$1,500.00

  77. #79 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:38 am

    Look at the brighter side of things, guys.

    WE HAVE FREE PUBLICITY.
    IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    The publicity angle may not be too flattering but hey its free.
    Cant complain too much.

    Besides, like our leaders who have thick skin and skulls, we must be able to brush things off with a smile and say:

    “Nevermind-lah.”

  78. #80 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:42 am

    Kasim Amat,
    What the hell are you doing,still sleeping or something? Go quickly and tell Mike Tyson plus all other bosses and sue the pants off New York Times for spreading lies.

  79. #81 by Godfather on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:53 am

    The Sun’s headline says it all:

    “Stop Making People Angry and Hate the Government, PM tells civil servants”.

    Sleepy Head now blames the civil servants. It’s so obvious that the 4th Floor boys have brainwashed him to the point that he thinks he is the prettiest of them all.

  80. #82 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 8:58 am

    Malicious minds and Perverted Priorities. Yes. But

    1) Why is change so hard for BN? Is it just simply they don’t want it or they don’t know how?

    2) What will it take to change things and what can people reasonably expect?

    My believe is that BN cannot change partly because they can’t and partly because they don’t know how. Its why they won’t change and its up to the voters.

    What we are seeing is a confluence of global challenges that had been building for years and ignoring it. The influence of globalization, universal values, technologies, mass modern media and culture while BN went about their ways ignoring them. They won’t change because of habit and they can’t change because they were not ready for it. The writing was already on the wall back in 1997 when Dr. M failures were not punished (make no mistake that Dr. M was more responsible for 1997 financial crises than the Soros and Thais for it) but instead his short-term solutions was hailed.

    Well, voters only hope is that among them can rise people that will take responsibilities OR they will just have to bear with it while the ruling class sort it out. We have Anwar, Sdr. Lim and his colleagues at DAP really making real change. Make no mistakes DAP and to a lesser extent Hindraf is leading the change in ideas maybe not in power. How far things will change depend on how far their ideas and influence are adopted.

    Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering. We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a beating for a long time. Its a little known secret that our leaders knows.

  81. #83 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:02 am

    Jeffrey raised this issue

    “Yet Hospital Pusrawi said that Dr Mohamed Osman did not conduct a sodomy-related examination on Saiful. Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.”

    and asked

    “If so who would be qualified?”

    Dr Mohamad Osman is permitted to practise in malaysia. He must surely be suitably qualified as a doctor.

    All doctors are trained to carry out physical examination. That ought to be their basic training. And observation on injury, torn tissues and scars are, to my mind, nothing more than physical examination.

    A sportman who is accustomed to seeing injury and scars is equally able to discern them. Hence, his observation on the presence of injury, torn tissues and scars must also be reliable and acceptable as a statement of fact.

    The remark by the hospital does not make terribly good sense to me.

  82. #84 by boh-liao on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:05 am

    Murder rules! OK! Sodomy, not OK!

  83. #85 by aiD_kamikuP on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:45 am

    “….Or that Dr Mohamed Osman was not qualified to make such a findings.
    If so who would be qualified? Fact is I have not heard of any medical specialist in the field of ‘sodomy’ who could do a better medical examinatrion than Dr Mohamed Osman. There is no such specialization in medical fraternity….”

    It is now widely circulating in the UK, Australia and even Singapore that the world’s only sodomy doctor practises in Malaysia.

    Well, here you go!! Another ‘feather-in-the-cap’ achievement for Malaysia in post-Mad-Mamak era.

  84. #86 by lextcs on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 9:55 am

    those who lives by sword will die by the sword eventually…..

  85. #87 by ktteokt on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:16 am

    Stop serving sodo-mee, I prefer sodo-mihun or sodo-kuehteow lah!!!!

  86. #88 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:23 am

    “Otherwise voters will have to just bear with it and pay the price and we are capable of great suffering.We are not tough in tackling pain but we can take a
    beating for a long time.Its a little known secret that our leaders know.”.Bigjoe.

    What you are saying may somewhat explain why we are still taking it lying low in spite of the bludgeoning inflicted by a corrupt government that is also
    discriminatory for the past 50 years! Most groups would have revolted long time ago.But we prefer to suffer in silence.This is precisely why they say we deserve the government we get.Unless we learn this truth the bludgeoning will continue.If we want change we have to act in unison to get BN out, no ifs and buts, whether it be thro PEOPLE”S POWER or thro THE BALLOT BOX.

  87. #89 by Godfather on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:25 am

    melurian, the high IQ friend, posted this:

    “…and how are you going to proof that moon is further than singapur without looking at “wikipedia”.”

    Between melurian and Badawi, their combined IQ levels could well be higher than that of anyone of us individually. melurian will of course now say that he AND Badawi are smarter than anyone of us. Gramatically correct.

  88. #90 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 10:53 am

    Melurian let me tell you a secret.

    At the at strike of the precise minute past midnight on the 31st of December each year, climb somewhere high, like a coconut tree.

    And then stretch out your right arm. You can actually touch the moon.

    Its true. Try it.

    Dont tell anyone I told you this secret.

    OK?

  89. #91 by dranony on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 11:43 am

    Regarding this ‘swearing on the Quran’ issue:

    I don’t see what Anwar would gain by agreeing to swear on the Quran in Masjid Negara, before all the Ulamaks in Malaysia.
    Anal intercourse would already be a sin against God (as per the religion, iianm).
    If a chap already knowingly commits such a sin (hoping that others do not know, but also knowing that God will surely know), then why would he worry about doing something (swearing on the Quran) that can easily convince others that we did not commit the first sin?
    Swearing is between one and God. Nothing else is really proven to anyone else. As Bakri Musa says, it’s not a lie-detector for humans.

    To read proof of guilt into Anwar’s refusal to swear, one must assume:
    1. That Anwar is fearful of God’s wrath.
    2. That Anwar is guilty of sodomy as accused.
    But therein lies the rub – for if the second assumption is true, that would mean that the first cannot be.

    Conversely, on the part of Saiful, if he is indeed willing to submit to the religious edicts, then he should realise that to prove his allegation under islamic law, he would have to bring four eye-witnesses of good standing who had actually seen the act with their own eyes. Failure to do that, would render himself guilty of false accusation (qazaf) – an extremely serious violation that would render him an unbeliever, in addition to being flogged.
    If Saiful’s allegations (of being sodomised several times) are true, then it would mean that he did not protest or report the previous few times. This would mean that he was a consensual partner in the sodomy acts, at least those times in which he did not lodge a police report. If indeed he was a willing sodomy partner, then he would know that these acts were against Islamic principles. How then would the public value his integrity, in agreeing to swear by the Quran.
    It just doesn’t make sense, does it?

  90. #92 by i_love_malaysia on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 11:52 am

    MRR2 problem – It is another case of fatt sayen choy i.e. making profit or money out of disaster!!! The last time it happened and “those responsible” had made tons of money from the repairs and now it is another chance to make tons of money from it again, there will be no ending to this, “those responsible” will blame the previous minister because the previous minister was Semi Value!!!
    Now AAB blamed the incompetent govt servants, but no action taken to address what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who is responsible, when etc etc., so that it would not occur again!!!

  91. #93 by boilingmad on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 12:51 pm

    Godfather: “You obviously can’t tell the difference since your individual IQ is very low but the cumulative IQ between you and Badawi could possibly bring that up a little bit.” I beg to differ … I think the cumulative IQ of the two would make it worse cos their IQs would be in the negative … the firsts in history to have negative IQ!

  92. #94 by taiking on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:19 pm

    MRR2 problem – Can the bridge be repaired?

    The main bridge support structure is in the shape of a “T”. We have a main stem in the middle (i.e. the column) and two cantilever beams on either side. The bridge deck sits atop the two cantilever sections – that means one bridge deck on each cantilever beam. Each of the decks is wide enough to accommodate 3 lanes. So in total there are 6 lanes.

    Loadings upon the bridge come in several forms: 1) self weight; 2) vehicles weight; 3) dynamic loads; 4) wind; and 5) earthquake loads. Wind load and earthquake are not very critical in malaysia.

    The weight of vehicles would be carried by the cantilever beams. There the beams would transfer the load to the column in the form of vertical load and bending.

    The T structure is actually an unstable structure. The loading that is being applied to it by its self (dead) weight and the weight of vehicles travelling on top are enormous. Besides, the loading on one side of the cantilever beam must be balanced by the loading on the other side. If not, the T structure will just tip over to the heavier side.

    So, in bridge design one must always consider the worst case loading scenario. As already elaborated above, this would happen when the bridge deck on one side of the cantilever is fully loaded and the other side is empty. In real life, this could be represented by a traffic jam on one side and road closure on the other.

    Loading the deck fully is necessary for determining the cross-section size of the cantilever beam and for calculating the amount of strenghtening needed. Usually, strenghtening is achieved by means of steel reinforcement bars. But due to the large cantilever span and the enormous amount of loading, prestressed cables are used instead. Of course, one must not forget to consider dynamic loading. Moving vehicles will exert a lot more force on the structure than stationary ones.

    In the event of lopsided loading (without the benefit of a counter-balancing load on the other side), the column must be able to stand up to the tipping over forces. The tipping over forces that bear upon the column comes about as a result of bending in the cantilever beam. The bending force created by the bending is described as bending-moment. It is this bending-moment that the column must be able to stand-up to. The maximum stress brought about by the bending (with dynamic loading taken into consideration) must be added to the maximum amount of stress caused by vertical load to see if the column is sufficiently designed both is cross section size and in steel reinforcement.

    The column would then transfer the whole load to the ground through its foundation. For bridge construction, piles would be needed for the work.

    From available pictures, the MRR2 bridge appears to have failed at the cantilever sections. 31 out of a total of 33 cantilever sections failed. My gut feeling is this could be a design fault or a concerted effort to cut corners. Genuine construction error will not repeat itself so regularly or so extensively unless one is talking about errors committed on a very gross scale. Even then I would expect a more random pattern of failure.

    The cantilever beams were prestressed. When bent, the top half of the beam would experience tension pull as oppose to the bottom half which would experience compression. Concrete is strong in compression but weak in tension. The prestressing is then applied across the whole cross-section of the beam in a carefully designed amount such that it would cancel out the tensile forces on the top half when the beam is fully loaded.

    When prestressed, the free end of a cantilever beam actually lifts upwards slightly. And when loaded, it will be depressed and the tensile stresses on the top half of the beam would then be cancelled out.

    From this description, it can be seen that prestressed concrete structures are actually more flexible than steel reinforced ones. If the prestressing is insufficient, of the beam section is too small, then the desired crossing out of stresses will not take place. In a loaded cantilever beam, this would be translated into cracks on the top portion of the beam – ie that part of the beam under tension.

    Can the beams be repaired?

    Extremely difficult. Its only fair to say that I do not have the benefit of studying the german technology that was applied in the repair two years ago. One major difficulty in any repair effort must be ensuring that the presstressed bridge remain flexible after repair. Otherwise, whatever strengthening afforded by the prestressing (albeit insufficient, only an assumption) would be lost. In other words, the panelling affixed to the bridge must not be hard ones. At the same time, they must be able to withstand high tensile forces.

    But how high? If it is higher than the tensile strenght of the cables used in the prestressing, then the panels would basically end up absorbing more of the loadings on the bridge. This would not do because then the panels would have to be very thick. If it is too weak, then it would be quite useless.

    This is one case where pure design analysis and calculation would not be sufficient. A laboratory test is needed to determine the workability of the design.

  93. #95 by Jimm on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 1:41 pm

    This country government policies have been badly involved with high level of corruption practices that everything must come to an end one day. The government have been very good in covering up all these ‘cases’ since the 50s and each decade, they seems to make bigger histories in covering the previous one.
    Everyone in the government habe read through the book of national scam and agreed for the appointment of post in order to carry on the corruption level to the next higher one.
    We have come to a stage that the entire system are heating up and will collapse soon. We are broke !!!
    AAB will be the last mohican in getting most out from the pot in the shortest tenure. He have to break records due to the wealth that can be easily obtain through the country nature resources.
    Anyway, Rakyat will have to stand together and demand for our rights in making Malaysia , Malaysian.

  94. #96 by sirrganass on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:39 pm

    Lim Kit Siang now has started talking about AlQuran? And he knows it’s content? Wow… wonderful, you are, Sir!

    Of course many non-muslim will laugh at Quran, But if any one of you recognized that this book has teachings practiced by billion of people in this world… and this book is the reason why PAS and UMNO is different (what the hell does PAS is talking about… Qizas? Hudud?… Murabalah bla bla bla? mahasusah?)…. if any non-muslim recognizes the glory of Quran… then, you are the one that fully understand what is PAKATAN RAKYAT (Pas is there in Pakatan Rakyat !!! ).

    Go ahead and don’t follow alquran if you hate it so much. You are NOT REQUIRED to follow it either… it is for muslim only. And the sentence “no compulsion in religion” is also stated in QURAN.

    But if LimKitSiang understands even a bit about alquran, then, wow! very good…. GREAT IDEA. So, All of you must start to be like this man. Why? because PAS has to be with YOU in YOUR STRUGGLE. Isn’t that beautiful?

  95. #97 by oknyua on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 2:45 pm

    Mr sirrganass, you are really “ganas”, blowing hot without looking at the writter of this thread. Look carefully, the writter is not Lim Kit Siang, but M Bakri Musa.

  96. #98 by AhPek on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 3:17 pm

    Really oknyua,in just one stroke of your pen,you have demolished the poor guy.

  97. #99 by sirrganass on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 5:32 pm

    Oh My God… i am not in LimKitSiang’s blog? Ah! nevermind eh! At least everybody knows that QURAN makes PAS different from AMNO and if you people wonder why PAS has totally different approach, even to the extend of choosing to work with DAP rather then with UMNO, then the answer should be in ALQURAN. If ANWAR refuse to swear or Saiful is too eager to swear, then let’s refer to what is stated in QURAN … both are muslim – both MUST follow alquran. IF ONE DOESN’T FOLLOW THE BOOK, then…. what?

    You non-muslim can make your own judgment – some muslim are not real muslim! Agree? You know already that many muslim don’t follow the Holy Book. Curruption, Unfair Racial Treatment, UmnoPutra, killing etc etc And they do many bad thing infront of you all and you don’t like these people. Right?

    Fine! But NOW: you are to work with PAS. How do you want to go about it? Are you ready for the excitement?

  98. #100 by eloofk on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 7:24 pm

    I’m really flabbergasted that a VVIP in the form of a DPM can have the time to entertain a college drop-out seeking his intervention n advice for an application of a scholarship to enter the university.

    So, i suggest to the thousands of students trying to apply for scholarships to further their studies in any universities, seek out the DPM for help. Only he n not any civil servants can help.

  99. #101 by Loh on Tuesday, 5 August 2008 - 11:33 pm

    The DPM can decide to whom he likes to give away scholarships. Public funds are like his own pocket money.

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