Never before in the nation’s history has there been such a massive police mobilisation, paralysing the Federal Capital and the Klang Valley as today creating a massive traffic chaos, when there is totally no cause. It is a preview of what a Police State could be like.
In the past two days, the police had created infernal traffic congestions with roadblocks in Kuala Lumpur and the surrounding areas locking up the Klang Valley, purportedly to forestall a Pakatan Rakyat public gathering or demonstration in or near Parliament because of the Standing Order 18 no-confidence motion today which is to be presented by the Parliamentary Opposition Leader, Datuk Seri Wan Azizah Ismail after question time at 11.30 am.
The Speaker, Tan Sri Pandikar Amin Mulia not only rejected Azizah’s no-confidence motion, he also rejected my motion under Standing Order 26(1)(p) to refer the Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan to the Parliamentary Privileges Committee for failing to comply with the parliamentary motion dated 28th April 2008 directing the IGP to ensure that MPs are not obstructed in their passage to and from parliamentary meetings.
Many MPs from both sides of the House met with police obstruction today and did not have free passage to Parliament, which is against the specific parliamentary directive to the IGP contained in the parliamentary motion of April 28, 2008.
No good or convincing reasons were given for the rejection of both motions by the Speaker. In the protracted arguments in the Dewan Rakyat over my proposed privilege motion, I had occasion to remark that a Speaker should not speak too much – and that the best Speaker is one who does not speak.
Today is indeed a black day for Parliament. Under the doctrine of separation of powers, Parliament is co-equal to the Executive and should be fully informed by the police of any developments justifying the adoption of extraordinary measures hampering not only the free movement of MPs, but also free public access to Parliament.
In this particular case, the police had no cause whatsoever to launch a massive mobilisation causing great inconvenience and even hardships to members of the public for three days, as Pakatan Rakyat had not organised or issued any call for any gathering or demonstration in or near Parliament today.
This was why there was pandemonium in Parliament this morning for some 45 minutes – the first episode over my motion to refer the IGP to Privileges Committee and the second episode over the rejection of Azizah’s Standing Order 18 motion of no-confidence in the Prime Minister.
The Pakatan Rakyat MPs staged a walkout in protest against the rejection of the no-confidence motion as well as the synthetic security crisis created by the police in the past three days causing great inconveniences to the public when there was no cause or justification – and will boycott the rest of the parliamentary sitting today.
Video clips of the two episodes are available as follows:
Motion under Standing Order 26(1)(p) [Part 1 of 4]
Motion under Standing Order 26(1)(p) [Part 2 of 4]
Motion under Standing Order 26(1)(p) [Part 3 of 4]
Motion under Standing Order 26(1)(p) [Part 4 of 4]
No Confidence under Standing Order 18(1) [Part 1 of 2]
No Confidence under Standing Order 18(1) [Part 2 of 2]
#1 by StevePCH on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 3:43 pm
Dear YB, I just think that everything is getting really out of order.
The partisan behaviour of the Speaker is just too much. If he keeps on rejecting all of the motion, where is democracy. Just close the august house. Yes, it’s a motion a no confidence against PM but if he is so confident that Rakyat is behind him ( at least that’s what he said ) then he should go ahead with the challenge and prove himself. Rejecting it shows that BN is truly weak. It’s in shambles and infighting is …. everywhere.
Having police to flex their muscles again never helped and BN never really learned the lesson. It just got everyones life tougher and more angry with BN.
#2 by lew1328 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 3:50 pm
Greetings! YB
Another bonus point added for PR.
The blames must point to them who’s over react & the stupid moves (From the police & BN) they themselves create the chaos.
We, “Rakyat” fully understand.
#3 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 3:54 pm
What a shame on the system and administration by the governing bodies of the country.
Instead of facilitating the day to day running of the country, in particular that in the nation’s capital and its surrounding areas, the administration had made it difficult for the rakyat to do even their daily chores. There seems to be no sense of empathy and care for the common rakyat.
What is the motive behind the mass roadblocks other than the obvious aim of creating inconveniences for the rakyat under the pretext of preventing the security situation from getting out of hand? And then going about looking for scapegoats?
We expect and demand better system and administration from the federal government.
What does the rakyat have to say? No prejudice meant, none whatsoever.
It smacks of intrigue and manipulation by the powers that be of the current situation in the country, and by extension, seems to have done society a favour by preventing a major catastrophe from happening.
#4 by lchk on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 3:56 pm
UMNOputras were never interested in serving the rakyat but rather enriching themselves EVEN at the expense of policing and providing massive inconveneinces to the very public that they are supposed to serve.
#5 by sayitasitis2008.blogspot.com on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:01 pm
That speaker is well trained just to say “Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, can’t believe he rejected the motion.
#6 by wombatahem on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:09 pm
Home Minister Syed Hamid Albar defended the police measures, which included officers armed with assault rifles patrolling inside the parliament building, saying they had to take “preventive action”. I apologise to the public for the traffic jams but the police have to do their job to ensure a smooth access to parliament. With all sorts of threats and intimidation that come out, we cannot wait for things to happen,” he said.
What intimidation??!! Since when we give threats???!! You only make the people’s life more miserable by doing unnecessary things!!!! Paranoid!!
#7 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:20 pm
Police getting court order to prevent congregation of the rakyat in the august parliament house?
What differentiates this from a police state? It seems like the police is running the country.
The fact that parliament is the authority on the laws of the land does not matter to the police or the judiciary. Where is the boundary between them? The rakyat has the right to know.
And who gives the minister in charge of parliamentary affairs ( meaning the person in charge of administrative matters relating to day to day running of parliamentary matters = something like a chief clerk ) powers to dictates other law makers (elected by the rakyat ) to do this or that? Why should they take orders pertaining to the actual law making / deciding processes? No one has the right to usurp that right of an MP.
The minister concern only manages daily and menial matters like protocols, not the duty of the MPs.
#8 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:24 pm
This is good for PR, and I mean both Pakatan and public relations. The public are so fed up of this gomen, and of this keeps up, UMNO will be extinct by 2010.
We should just announce a demonstration every week just to keep the police busy. These guys aren’t interested in catching the true criminals.
#9 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:24 pm
oops. should be “…if this keeps up…”
#10 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:30 pm
Don’t make the country a laughing stock and the butt of jokes, pleaseeeeeeeee!
Seems like there are quarters bent on making a mockery of the country and its people.
Nothing else better to do?
What about matters that matter to the rakyat? Ministers are appointed to serve the people and to make the country a better place than before. We need improvement, not politicking. We need people-friendly policies, not barriers. We need results, not troubles. We need actions, not seat-warming. ANnd the list goes on and on….
I rest my case.
#11 by a-malaysian on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:34 pm
YB Kit and PR,
Just stay alert and beware of what is going to happen. This is just one sign that points to what umno is trying to do, to stay in power no matter what. They are trying to create artificial happening base on hearsay, just like the in-deletable ink fiasco.
PR needs to sit down and discuss on how to manage the five states instead of allowing one person to run around trying to dethrone the ruling gomen. Manage the five states well and the whole country will be yours come the next election.
I suppose that they are getting closer by the day to lock up this one person, so be ready for any eventual happenings.
Blood-Suckers
GE 13 – No matter what, we must ensure that racist umno bn do not regain the power like they had for the past fifty years.
#12 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:37 pm
Singapore comes to mind.
Hong Kong comes to mind.
Taiwan comes to mind.
Japan comes to mind.
China comes to mind.
Even Thailand comes to mind.
And these are only some Asian countries which we can do to emulate in many, many ways…administratively, politically, morally, ethically, attitude-wise, mannerism, culturally, morally, religiously, educationally, etc. etc…
Makes one wonder what Malaysia will be like if we take the best from those foreign lands..
#13 by wombatahem on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:45 pm
Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi defended the police action, saying the massive traffic jams caused by police roadblocks were caused by “these people who are organizing the demonstration. Go to a stadium and shriek and scream at the top of your voice if you want to demonstrate,” Abdullah said.
(Source:http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20080714/tap-as-malaysia-politics-1st-ld-writethr-b3c65ae.html)
What demonstrations?? No demonstrations at all!!!
#14 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:46 pm
One4All4One said:
“Singapore comes to mind.
Hong Kong comes to mind.
Taiwan comes to mind.
Japan comes to mind.
China comes to mind.
Even Thailand comes to mind.”
Bolehland – never mind.
#15 by wombatahem on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:47 pm
I wish there were “GE12: The Snap Election” right now. BN should go, by all means.
Their words and actions are becoming increasingly intolerable as days pass.
#16 by harmanamri on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:53 pm
Shame on you Pandikar! You behaviour as Speaker is disgusting and despicable. You don’t want to be a laughing stock, but you are! And you are not even an elected Member of Parliament!!
#17 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:53 pm
Seems like it is the Malaysian government and its machineries against a few political parties and the rakyat.
What a sad day for Malaysia and Malaysians.
We would like to see the end to all the sad , soap, tele-novellas, and the beginning of inspiring, happy, productive, proactive, meaningful real life actions….and results.
#18 by PSM on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 4:57 pm
DSAI said Sept 16th is the day the Federal Government will change hands to the PR.
I hope he’s telling the truth, not only for us the Rakyat, but also for his & the PR’s future credibility!
As long as the BN (Read: UMNO) are in power, NOTHING will change!
#19 by ktteokt on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:02 pm
Do these morons ever sit down and think who the hell put them up there in their present seats? And when they are up there, the people seemed so remote and useless to them! Teach them a good lesson come the next GE!
#20 by xtheman on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:09 pm
Is Malaysia a “Police State” now ? What a shame to Umno !!
#21 by Toyol on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:11 pm
Speaker is just a UMNO lapdog. What did you expect? Police also UMNO lapdog. There will be no democracy so long BN is in power. Democracy means an end to their cronism, nepotism and Ali Baba tactics!
#22 by lakilompat on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:29 pm
The UMNO head either PL/Curry or Najis has been controlling the countries, with police forces acting like the juntas in Myanmmar or Thailand general, Philippines Arroya but slightly milder.
UMNO will still rule, tis is Malaysia. Malay + sia = Malaysia
#23 by Jong on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:30 pm
Intimidation? What intimidation and who’s intimidating who?
This ‘makan tahi, berak nasi’ imbecile whom we call “the Home Minister” should go home and take a good rest, not that he has been working extremely hard but he’s a real embarrassment to Malaysia, for far too long!
Time he retires. Tax-payers can no longer afford to keep supporting goons like him!
#24 by lakilompat on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:31 pm
What happen to ASEAM? there’s no longer any head or order, each of those countries are acting on their own now. There’s no longer a benchmark among the countries? these crooks have spoiled and destroyed UMNO 50 yrs of supremacy after Mahathir.
#25 by Jeffrey on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 5:42 pm
So massive police mobilisation was “much ado about nothing” since Opposition’s motion was defeated procedurally without even being debated!
The disconcerting part is that the Speaker must explain his reasons to the House for rejecting Wan Azizah’s no-confidence motion. And YB, you have said “no good or convincing reasons were given for the rejection of both motions by the Speaker”.
The other disconcerting part is that Speaker must not only be impartial but seen impartial in any ruling free from interference of government’s ministers.
According to our former secretary to Parliament Abdullah Abdul Wahab, who has 26 years of Parliament experience, the Speaker’s focus should be “to think for the good of the House and the nation” – and not the interests of the government of the day.
According to him, Govt. ministers “cannot be interfering with the management of the House; that means he cannot be determining what questions will be asked, whether a motion is going to be accepted or not”. [Source NST (Online interview -2008/06/22].
Well, DPM had earlier said that PR’s no confidence motion was a political ploy; that was no provision for such a motion under the House’s Standing Order; that it had no chance of making it through the Dewan Rakyat; that even if the motion was put to a vote, the motion would fail as the opposition did not have enough MPs to carry it through.
This is a kind of “subjudice” statement that might or might not have influenced the Speaker’s decision, and on this ground – and the fact that no cogent reasons were given for the decision – the Opposition may want to consider as a next move to introduce a Motion of Dissent from the Speaker’s ruling defeating Wan Azizah no-confidence motion.
It is obvious that when it concerns a Motion of Dissent from the Speaker’s ruling, it is questionable if the Speaker could make a ruling on that which concerns his earlier ruling : otherwise it would be fraught with “conflicts of interest”.
The dual purpose of such a Motion of Dissent from the Speaker’s ruling is, firstly, it may circumvent the Speaker’s traditional role of exercising prerogative to rule on it; and secondly, since BN MPS (minus the ones switching allegiance) are bound by party discipline to oppose such an Opposition’s motion, it will, if carried, serve as an indirect vote of no confidence on both the Speaker and the government of the day!
There is another added advantage – a Motion of Dissent from the Speaker’s ruling may require a call for the vote after debate which Wan Azizah’s no-confidence motion pursuant to SO 18 does not!
There are in Life as always other ways to skin a cat.
For example if Opposition is really interested to prove the point of no confidence on govt. why must it be via debate in the House especially when it knows that Wan Azizah’s no-confidence motion under Standing Order 18 (matters of urgent specific public interest) triggers, if allowed, only a debate but not a vote at the end of it? What purpose does it serve a motion through the Dewan Rakyat that does not require procedurally a vote taken??
That the PM should command confidence of Majority of the House as prescribed by article 43(4) Federal Constitution does not need to be proven by a show of hands or poll within the inner sanctum of Dewan Rakyat. It is only a question of proof.
This is what Abdullah Abdul Wahab said : “Someone asked me today if 120 members sign a petition saying: “We don’t support the prime minister”, and present it to the king, can that happen?
I would say it can happen. Q: So, a motion of no-confidence doesn’t have to take place in Parliament? A: It concerns the members of the House. It doesn’t say that it has to be in the House, does it? If 200 members march to the palace, is that possible? I’m not a lawyer, but I would say that it is possible”.
A no-confidence motion cannot be characterized as an ‘ordinary motion’ or even a special or urgent motion on a matter of public interest. In fact there is no standing order providing for it (though PR tried to fit it within SO 18)!
No confidence motion acquires a special relevance not from Parliamentary standing orders but from Article 40 of the Federal Constitution – and as regards whether there is any specific way to prove the govt has or has not lost majority in the House, the Constitution is silent and does not say it has to be proven ONLY by a vote of no confidence in Dewan Rakyat!
#26 by greenacre on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:08 pm
They are flexing the muscles that have lost the power which have been build up over the last 50 years.
#27 by observer on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:18 pm
Uncle kit , Jeffrey made a good point on the alternative solution to The parliamentary Speaker rejection.Should be considered
#28 by sheriff singh on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:32 pm
“….Speaker Tan Sri Pandikar Amin Mulia said he would “go back first this weekend to my kampung in Sabah and look at my buffaloes and goats and think about it deeply” before deciding on one of several courses of action…..” after the motion was submitted last week.
That is where the Speaker gets his inspirations for his decisions when deals with MPs every week. He probably looks for animal signs and consults these. Is his kampong in or near Sepilok or Kinabatangan?
#29 by Elwin Heng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:32 pm
Be honest, were under my (I/we) expectation or prediction. To HIM, speaking speech just re-acting a movie script, purposely on-showing or pretending himself the most welcome movie character?
No matter what-how, I/we always alongside you, PR administration! Hereby to welcome you, move towards(forwards) federal kingdom!
Hero… hero… champion… champion… belongs to PR… You’re my hero, my angel shine in my heart ~help us, purify the darkness -unfair -polluted environment?
TQ.
Warmest regards.
#30 by wanderer on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:40 pm
It is payback time on the rakyat for depriving the BN goons a 2/3 majority. Your suppression will only harden our resolve to kick you out come next GE.
The Speaker of the House got his decision to reject the motion from his goats! It is not Sabahan MPS come from Borneo jungle that was why, he took no action on one of his kind. Speaker, this is Parliament not your goat farm.
#31 by patriotic1994 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:40 pm
Like what happen to Bala’s house, when the news said he is not at home, the burglar took the advantages. Next time our house would be broken into, gal got raped, bank got robbed, when our policemen are busy setting up road blocks!
I saw many of them just sitting watching traffic. What are they doing?! We pay them to watch us suffer?!
#32 by Richardqed on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:43 pm
http://themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/headlines/42-lead-stories/1785-syed-hamid-has-proof-of-planned-protest
“He disclosed that speeches at various ceramahs and short messaging service text have been circulated recently inviting supporters and activists to be in Parliament for the no-confidence motion against the Prime Minister today as proof of a possible gathering, which prompted the police to lock down the city with a security blanket of 1,600 policemen that slowed traffic to a crawl.” — malaysianinsider.com reporting on the Home Minister.
If there were speeches of that nature, why don’t he just post the whole video (if any) of these speeches, so that people can judge for themselves whether such invites were really made during speech, and also whether someone was trying to twist the context of such speeches?
It is also not very convincing to mention SMS circulating as proof. For all we know, if at all there exist such SMS texts (and there is much doubt on this), who is to say that it was not spread by the den of thieves themselves?
This is classic Bolehland, where no one needs to be held accountable for anything.
#33 by Mr Smith on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 6:55 pm
Abdullah is desperate. He needs the police and the speaker to help him stay on in power. Pathetic soul.
But then there are several ways to skin a cat. And the Opposition will skin him in no time.
#34 by yhsiew on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:10 pm
Kit,
Don’t give up, try some other ways to get the no-confidence motion through – Jeffrey’s suggestions are worth considering.
#35 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:14 pm
This is what Abdullah Abdul Wahab said : “Someone asked me today if 120 members sign a petition saying: “We don’t support the prime minister”, and present it to the king, can that happen?
I would say it can happen. Q: So, a motion of no-confidence doesn’t have to take place in Parliament? A: It concerns the members of the House. It doesn’t say that it has to be in the House, does it? If 200 members march to the palace, is that possible? I’m not a lawyer, but I would say that it is possible”.
Very good point Jeffrey but I have my doubts. However, what if there’s 120 members signed the no confidence motion against the Prime Minister but no action taken?
#36 by RealWorld on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:18 pm
UMNO dulu, kini dan selamanya.
#37 by Thomas Lee on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:19 pm
We are being punished for supporting Anwar and the Pakatan Rakyat!
More punishments are expected as PM loses grip on power.
Instead of trying to win our hearts and minds, such actions can only cause us to resent the BN and will never support it ever again.
Mygood Malay friend, a former staunch supporter of BN, said that after the chaotoc traffic experience on Monday, she and her family members will never ever vote BN again.
The Pakatan Rakyat must continue its momemtum of doing good for the people and standing up against injustice. Only then will we have hope for our country.
#38 by ktteokt on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:21 pm
dawsheng, then they might consider declaring the Istana Negara to be “out of bounds” and then even DYMM has to vacate the Istana?
#39 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:21 pm
Today’s incident was enough for the Agong to sack the Prime Minister even without any kind of petition. I tell you what, why not make a petition, see if we can get more than half of the population to sign a we do not support the PM petition, maybe Agong will consider.
#40 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:25 pm
Ktteokt, a very likely scenario, putting Agong under house arrest. Who is bigger? Abdullah or Agong? At the moment it seems to be Abdullah.
#41 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:40 pm
In one word – “disgusting”!
It is disgusting to see the Speaker of the House taking so much of the peoples’ time. His role as Speaker of the House is to deal with issues of procedure raised, and to minimize his use of the Dewan’s time so the people’s business could continue.
If he wants to make known his personal views, then he should go to a public park on his own time and not the people’s time and speak all he wants, as long as he wants to whoever is prepared to listen to him. Isn’t there a corner already set up in his honor called “The Speakers’ Corner”.
#42 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:43 pm
Either that or he should go back to looking after his kerbau and his kambing as he has always wanted to do – so he said earlier.
#43 by Damocles on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:45 pm
Isn’t it obvious that this government is going to stay on at all costs?
It will not be put off by parliamentary niceties!
#44 by StevePCH on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:53 pm
can wee motion the Speaker to be changed ??? It’s seems like he is worse than everyone else.
#45 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 7:56 pm
Instead of bringing order to Parliament, the Speaker himself is out of order!
#46 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:00 pm
Now the speaker has rejected the motion without debate. Now the police have created havoc in the whole of Kuala Lumpur at the expense of ordinary folks.
May I now ask the following questions to PK:
1. What objective/s have you achieved today?
2. What is your next course of action?
3. People are frustrated, how do you help them, one way or another?
My view is if you have the number, just do it. If not, just shut up for while. You must plan, strategise and take action. Please don’t shoot for fun.
Ok, the government has used the police to frustrate the whole of KL. But what is your plan, how do you counter? Some have even thought that it is PK who creates all the nonsense yesterday and today.
Come on, the petrol is already so expensive. Imagine you get struck for hours burning gas without going anywhere. Even if you want to take over the government through street demonstration, you must also have a plan. Otherwise, just shut up and wait.
#47 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:03 pm
Hnestly, what you do fellows expect the speaker to do? Alow the debate and allow the motion to be voted on? Since when have you all become so naive?
#48 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:10 pm
StevePCH Says:
Today at 19: 53.48 (15 minutes ago)
“can wee motion the Speaker to be changed ??? It’s seems like he is worse than everyone else.”
In the U.S. the Speaker of the House is elected. Each party nominates a candidate on the first day of the new session; and whoever receives the majority of the votes is elected. The Speaker can be lawfully removed. It should be the same in the case of Malaysia which follows the Westminster model of parliamentary democracy.
#49 by a-malaysian on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:10 pm
YB Kit,
Just side track a little.
Is there any sign that YB Jeff Ooi is throwing in the towel?
Please read my blog on how I derive at this. Blood-Suckers
This is not spamming nor to promote my blog but a legitimate query.
Thanks
GE 13 – No matter what, we must ensure that racist umno bn do not regain the power like they had for the past fifty years.
#50 by Jong on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:18 pm
limkamput,
It is PR = Pakatan Rakyat. You had been using “PK” for far too long and no one has corrected you.
#51 by Richardqed on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:19 pm
My good Malay friend, a former staunch supporter of BN, said that after the chaotoc traffic experience on Monday, she and her family members will never ever vote BN again. — Thomas Lee
She and her family members may not be enough numbers. Make sure to remind your Malay friend to remind all her other suffering Malay friends in the city, to in turn remind all their relatives all over the country to do the same as she does.
#52 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:21 pm
thanks Jong, yes PR, which sounds like Public Relations. Sorry.
#53 by Jeffrey on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:21 pm
//… What if there’s 120 members signed the no confidence motion against the Prime Minister but no action taken? // – dawsheng’s posting a 19:14.51 above.
It depends on what is meant by ‘action taken’.
The constitutional prerequisite for a PM/cabinet is that he must “likely to command the confidence of the majority of” the 222 members of the Dewan Rakyat, that is, at least 112 members.
If PM were defeated on a no confidence motion, he and his Cabinet shall tender their resignation – per constitutional requirement.
There are no facts upon which we could conclude that in such a scenario our PM/Cabinet won’t resign.
The reason is simple : the government cannot function if it loses that majority. Every government bill and every government motion in the Dewan Rakyat will be (theoretically) defeated by the Opposition’s majority of 112 or more! In such a scenario, it is arguably better for PM/cabinet to resign and call for fresh election hoping to get back the majority through fielding better and more acceptable candidates.
The above represents the “general” situation. It is not necessarily all the time the case.
I can think of one exceptional case : now, our Yang di-Pertuan Agong is the sole and exclusive appointing authority to exercise discretion within constitutional parameters to appoint a PM must “likely to command the confidence of the majority of Dewan Rakyat”.
This admits another scenario : If for any reason our present PM were defeated by a no confidence vote, might not the Yang di-Pertuan Agong appoint another BN minister (say hypothetically) Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah whom His Royal Highness (HRH) thinks can command the majority of Dewan Rakyat??? Could not HRH view that BN defectors who crossed over to PR to give PR the majority (owing to unhappiness with the present incumbent) could very well cross back and this time with even some defectors from PR camp to the BN to give it back the majority it needs to govern owing to their confidence in (say) Tengku Razaleigh?
Can’t it be said that HRH is still acting within constitutional parameters in such an exceptional case??
The point to be underlined here is that even in a vote of no confidence against the current PM were carried, it does not necessarily imply 10% of the time that the BN would be booted out if such an exceptional line or course is taken by HRH.
#54 by Jeffrey on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:31 pm
PR needs a majority of at least 112. The last occasion (last month) on Shahrir’s motion on anti inflation measures, the government motion was carried with 129 voting in favour and 78 againt by PR.
So does PR really have a majority for a motion of no confidence to be moved or is it hype?
If PR has that majority , it does not need a motion of no confidence to show it.
All that is needed is for the BN defectors to openly declare their position (ala Yong Teck Lee/SAPP style) and officially and symbolically cross the floor to the Opposition’s side (thereby evincing willingness to cut their umblical cord from the gravy train)!
If by such crossing it is clear that PR has anthing like 112 to 120 members out of the total 222, the likelihood is that the PM/Cabinet will voluntarily resign.
Not because they are a gentlemen or constitution abiding to do so but because there is no choice.
This is because the government cannot function anymore. Every government bill and every government motion in the Dewan Rakyat will be (theoretically) defeated by the Opposition’s majority of 112 or more!
In such a scenario, it is arguably better for PM/cabinet to resign and call for fresh election hoping to get back the majority through fielding better and more acceptable candidates.
#55 by kutlakut on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:45 pm
Every event, by the day puts the BN is very bad light. Not that the BN was ever in good light, but the rakyat was not conscious that the wrongs perpetuated by BN can be put to an end.
Thanks to the internet, we the rakyat is able to receive and disseminate news, thoughts and new ideas and realize that there is also another dissatisfied man at the corner. We Are Not Alone! There are many millions of us. We will unite and change the ball game.
This police state action, of course ordered by the ruling BN against the rakyat, is another mill stone round the BN neck. Let us not be bullied again like in the past 50 years.
A wake up call, that we must have a change in government asap. Our elected MPs, do you hear us? Another five long years will cause even more damage to our beloved nation. BN MPs please pack your bags; you have a duty to save the nation.
I came across this gem, and I want to share it.
Is the Fourth Estate a Fifth Column? Corporate media colludes with democracy’s demise.
By Bill Moyers
wolves
I heard this story a long time ago, growing up in Choctaw County in Oklahoma before my family moved to Texas. A tribal elder was telling his grandson about the battle the old man was waging within himself. He said, “It is between two wolves, my son. One is an evil wolf: anger, envy, sorrow, greed, self-pity, guilt, resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other is the good wolf: joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”
The boy took this in for a few minutes and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf won?”
The old Cherokee replied simply, “The one I feed.”
Democracy is that way. The wolf that wins is the one we feed. And in our society, media provides the fodder.
#56 by peanut king on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:47 pm
Something very funny happen to my parrot lately after viewing a few times parliament in session.
She kept saying,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”, ,“Yang Berhormat..Sila Duduk”,
The end result is she is kept under sound proof lockup.Now there is peace in the house.
This method should be apply to human being too who say nothing but above too many times.
Trust me it works.
#57 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 8:53 pm
Here’s what one Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives has had to say about his role as Speaker:
1. To be good at the job of Speaker, you must be willing to put in the time to be a good listener. By this, I mean you must listen…
2. When you are Speaker, people expect you to keep your word, and they will not quickly forgive you if you cannot deliver. You are better off not saying anything than making a promise…
3. A Speaker must respect the power of regular order.
4. A Speaker should strive to be fair, he also is judged by how he gets the job done. The job of the Speaker is to rule fairly, but ultimately to carry out the will of the Majority.
5. The Speaker is the leader of his party. He is not merely a disinterested arbiter of parliamentary rules. It is not always easy to be fair when you have a vested interest in the outcome. But if the Chair is seen as being unfair, the likely result is a breakdown in parliamentary comity.
6. The Speaker’s job is to focus on the House and nothing but the House.
7. Never forget who sent you to Congress in the first place.
8. At the end of the day, the Speaker of the House is really just the guy who stands up for the people.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you rate our Speaker – 1 being the worst and 10 the best?
#58 by Jeffrey on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:00 pm
I suppose that there is some basis for LimKamPut’s agitation as when he asked of PR “what’s the plan”? [Posting at 20: 00.56 (34 minutes ago) above]
Excuse me for reiterating but is the Opposition’s motion for the vote of no-confidence really backed by PR having majority of 112 or more (with aid of defections)(as moving such a motion implies) or as what Najib said, a mere “political ploy”?
The reason: defacto head DSAI is running out of time. The police have already asked him to appear at the Kuala Lumpur police headquarters today for questioning, which he has declined or deferred.
If he could force a change of government immediately (before police action), it would be reasonable to infer that he would do so to mitigate his personal predicament arising from Saiful’s allegations.
If he has already stitched firmly that commanding majority of over 112 to 120, he would show the card by now – by getting everyone to openly declare and cross over the floor – instead of introducing a motion of no-confidence that got enmeshed in procedures and required clearance from a Speaker appointed by the BN when all calculations were that the Speaker would reject the motion on procedural grounds!
Why would PKR opt for procedural gestures if it could convincingly demonstrate a substantive paradigm shift in Dewan Rakyat’s majorioty support???
This complicates the issue considerably as it may give credence to the Speaker’s justifying his decision that PR’s motion was a political ploy not backed by numbers (as what Najib earlier said).
#59 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:10 pm
Hi and good evening, fellow opinion givers and critics here, let’s be realistic and reasonable enough to consider the actual scenario in the country.
In all fairness, the government of Dato Seri AAB had been legally, constitutionally and validly elected by a majority of votes in the GE12. No one can doubt that, just as in the five states under PR.
Whether one likes the way the federal government, or for that matter the state governments, are doing their job, is up to the individual. Criticize all you want, but we have to respect the mandate given.
Do allow me, after reading so much shouting matches in the blogs between supporters of both divides, to call your attention to show some semblance of mutual respect to one another. We may have our very own strong opinion about certain issues, but both sides should be given the chance to explain and put forward their views.
If we can’t even practice democracy here, in the realm of words, I shudder to think about what the possibilities are in the real world out there.
As in any contest, just as in the elections, there would be victors and of course the losers. We just have to accept the final results.
We have to let the BN rule the country, just as the PR is allowed to rule the states they won, without interference. If there are any changes which would alter the balance of seats in the constituency, the change would have to be valid before it could be accepted and executed as such. And of course, as is the norm, the majority rules. Simple as that.
It would be more useful if constructive criticism and ideas are channeled to the elected representatives to improve the delivery of their services and the manner things are being done to help the electorate. After the GE12, there seem to be more rhetoric and bickering rather than the much anticipated improvement of services to the rakyat.
I, for one, would rather see the PR seize the golden opportunity and moment that they have now, to outdo the BN administration so that the people can accept them to rule as long as they want. Isn’t this what supporters of PR wanted? By extension, if the people feel comfortable with the ability of the PR machinery and candidates, they will vote them to helm the federal level in the next GE. Why the hurry, anyway?
PR MPs can act as effective check and balance in the house of commons at the moment. That’s the objective. The rest can wait, unless, of course, if there are changes in the seats in the august house.
#60 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:20 pm
“Whether one likes the way the federal government, or for that matter the state governments, are doing their job, is up to the individual. Criticize all you want, but we have to respect the mandate given.”
That’s the point! The mandate was never really given!
#61 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:23 pm
“In all fairness, the government of Dato Seri AAB had been legally, constitutionally and validly elected by a majority of votes in the GE12. No one can doubt that, just as in the five states under PR.”
I doubt it. There wasn’t in all fairness in the first place.
#62 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:32 pm
Mandate is when you got the majority of votes. Correct me if I am wrong here. PR got majority in Pg, Perak, Kedah, Selangor, Kelantan, hence the mandate. Likewise nationally for BN.
Wasn’t fair? How? Any proof to show otherwise? Would like to know the existence of proof, my friend.
#63 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:32 pm
One4All4One,
With all due respect where have you been all this while?
The general elections were rigged – and rigged for a very long time. The extent of the rigging? I would like to believe I have a fair idea since I helped fight some of the cases in court when BN challenged the election results and won hands down. I know how they won and why they won these cases. The cases that I helped prepare for were presided by a High Court judge who later went on to become Chief Judge seen holidaying in NZ.
Don’t be surprised if the lawyer who represented BN in those cases is made the Chief Justice of Malaysia soon.
#64 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:33 pm
That’s the point! The mandate was never really given! undergrad2
care to elaborate? what constitute mandate and how it should be given?
#65 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:34 pm
“If by such crossing it is clear that PR has anthing like 112 to 120 members out of the total 222, the likelihood is that the PM/Cabinet will voluntarily resign.” Jeffrey
Another likelihood is declaring the state of emergency, the reason, fitnah against the PM and the government, for that the country is in danger of being colonize by the new government.
#66 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:36 pm
“care to elaborate? what constitute mandate and how it should be given?” limkamput
Slap yourself really hard two times, left and right and you’ll get the answer.
#67 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:38 pm
I’m not a supporter of DAP or Pakatan. I declare myself an Independent, agreeing with whoever is right on the issues – and on most of the issues, the BN got it wrong.
#68 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:43 pm
In a contest, one either loses or wins. Just accept lah. Sdr Anwar is trying to “force” his way to the premiership…if there is enough change of hearts in the MPs and “jumping of ship”.
Those who supported his cause would certainly have reasons to celebrate. However, not all would be happy with that, just as not all are happy with BN’s rule.
Whatever it is, it is also a win-lose situation which applies anywhere, anytime.
#69 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:53 pm
“Sdr Anwar is trying to “force” his way to the premiership..”
A no confidence motion against a sitting PM in this case is unlikely to result in fresh elections but a new government under a new PM. Because of that I expect BN to resort to the use of both legal and illegal means to prevent such a motion from being tabled.
As for Anwar I wish he would let Azizah who is today a politician in her own right become PM. She would be a less polarizing figure than her husband
#70 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:53 pm
dawsheng, what is your problem, you think you are too smart here? Go knock your moronic head against the pillar or something.
#71 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:57 pm
dawsheng,
Only your stupid brain will have doubt about everything. What unfairness are you talking about? If everything is so unfair, then tell me how PR won Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor. Some of you are inherently so bias within you and yet want to come here to talk about fairness. Go fly kite.
#72 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:00 pm
If it was a fair election, PR will be the government.
#73 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:02 pm
dawsheng,
What was the reason given by the Speaker for refusing the motion??
#74 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:03 pm
dawsheng, you are just a poodle of someone here. Stupid moronic head.
#75 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:04 pm
i can also say if the election has been fair, the BN would not have lost the five states.
#76 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:04 pm
Whatever it is , the situation in the country leaves much to be desired.
Matters of importance should be addressed: the separation of the power and independence of the judiciary, parliament, and the executive.; selection of judges; transparency; accountability; correcting imbalances in government policies to be fair to all; no skin-color based policies; etc, etc..
I would be content if issues like those are addressed, no matter who helm the government..
One for All, All for One….
What we all want is a just and fair government with true democratic principles in place.
#77 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:07 pm
You can say that. So is there fairness in the first place?
#78 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:10 pm
Undergrad2, I know what you mean.. :), I am just trying to be nice. Well, it is hard to be nice.
#79 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:13 pm
I rest my case.
#80 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:16 pm
“I would be content if issues like those are addressed, no matter who helm the government…” One4All4One
No one can disagree with you on that point!
But who has created the mess i.e. the abuse of power, the corruption, the reduction of the third pillar of government the judiciary to an appendage of the executive?
Shouldn’t we the people do everything that is legal under our constitution to extricate ourselves from a situation which could well lead the nation into a free fall!
#81 by ALtPJK on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:16 pm
Any signs of the country progressing to a 1st world status?
1) PM and his Cabinet virtually running like headless chooks for the last 130 days instead of running the country.
2) Parliament, as it is now with farcical actions occuring with increasing frequency, is no more than a muzzled chamber.
3) Massive police mobilisation creating a massive traffic chaos and paralysing the Federal Capital and the Klang Valley – sheer waste of valuable productivity and what more the expensive petrol and the further choking of Klang Valley’s atmosphere
UMNO must be suffering from such an inferiority complex to the extent of feeling inadequate and paralysingly incapable and the other ‘passenger’ component parties in BN too s_h_i_t scared to even utter anything!!
#82 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:21 pm
When we have a Speaker who thinks he is taking the podium at the Speakers’ Corner, the two words ‘Malaysia’ and ‘first class’ should never appear in the same sentence.
#83 by qookhoo on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:25 pm
Great…
Looks like it’s going to have a re-independence of malaysia…
freeing the nation again from suppression…
Go figure…
#84 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:27 pm
Only way out is to ban communal/ race-based politics and political parties in Malaysia. Else there seems to be no way out.
A strong and fair Malay leader of the caliber and likeness of Tun Dr Ismail Abd Rahman is the prerequisite.
Pray for one.
#85 by qookhoo on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:27 pm
LOL…
malaysia + first class in one line….
NEVER… not in the current way of administration…
#86 by ALtPJK on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:27 pm
Yes true. I believe our generation would have seen many a speaker at Speakers’ Corner (@MU I mean) who could be regarded as First Class and can beat this one hands down any day!
#87 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:28 pm
It is clear the BN government is trying to create a situation when Parliament could be suspended and replaced by a body responsible only to the PM.
#88 by cemerlang on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:30 pm
The PDRM showed such an efficient and excellent service in quickly putting up all the road blocks and having a good number of officers here and there. Those involved should be given an excellent award. Then, they will be good role models for their counterparts to follow. Put into action their preaching. Cepat, mesra and betul. Or is it the other way round ?
However, one is reminded of the communist threat many years ago when there was a curfew here and there.
Does anyone else think that Pandikar and Bung, politicians from Sabah are attention seeking ?
But whatever is happenning, please do not allow it to stop you from voicing out the people’s problems.
#89 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:32 pm
Undergrad2, I know what you mean.. :), I am just trying to be nice. Well, it is hard to be nice. dawsheng
No body expects you or anybody to be nice. I expect you to be professional and talk sense. I expect you not to be poodle and humiliate me for nothing. What did i do to deserve that. I know my right to free speech just like one hypocrite here.
#90 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:34 pm
One4All4One Says:
Today at 22: 27.18 (1 minute ago)
“Only way out is to ban communal/ race-based politics and political parties in Malaysia. Else there seems to be no way out.”
Agreed – and the first baby stop towards that direction would be for control of the government to pass now to a new party. It will never happen otherwise. Whether PKR is old wine in a new bottle remains to be seen.
#91 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:36 pm
It is clear the BN government is trying to create a situation when Parliament could be suspended and replaced by a body responsible only to the PM. undergrad2
This is a postulate not based on any basis. We all don’t like BN. But does PR have the number? If not, i suggest they just shut up for the while and don’t continue to give BN the excuse to create havoc in KL.
#92 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:40 pm
Well limkamput, I expects the same from you, it’ll be wonderful if we all stop this kind of nonsense. My apology! Cheers ya…
#93 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:42 pm
When there is no communal/race based politics, there would not be race-based policies…and it would be on more equal footing for all.
No race based quota system, no race based house pricing, no race base this or that..
We will then see each other as Malaysians..but don’t raise things like Bangsa Malaysia..cos there isn’t such a race in the first place..
Lots of people are confused with race and nationality..
#94 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:43 pm
dawsheng, ok done, i withdraw all i have said in response to what you said earlier.
#95 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:45 pm
One4All4One Says:
Today at 22: 27.18 (1 minute ago)
“Only way out is to ban communal/ race-based politics and political parties in Malaysia.”
It is an uphill task in a country where race has been institutionalized and buttressed by constitutional provisions. The fact that nobody is saying it is not (an uphill task), does not make the task any easier.
#96 by limkamput on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:46 pm
one4all4 one, with respect, i think you have this naive notion that there is a simple solution to a complex problem. The reality is there is none in the world, and there will never be.
#97 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:48 pm
“It is clear the BN government is trying to create a situation when Parliament could be suspended and replaced by a body responsible only to the PM.” undergrad2
Like the NOC under Razak immediately after May13 but this time, a synthetic crisis.
#98 by sheriff singh on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:49 pm
Put it this way :
If your “Tunship” is on the line, would you misbehave and displease your “lord”?
#99 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:49 pm
Seems like there is some form of agreement here, at last..let good sense prevail! Good for you guys..oops..should be good for all of us…
Good sense can do a lot to help ease tension and improve the general situation where there is a great amount of opinions being floated about..
Hidup Malaysia! :)
I believe there will be light at the end of the tunnel…pray so!
#100 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 10:58 pm
“Lots of people are confused with race and nationality..”
This goes to show the stranglehold race and racism has on our daily lives. The first thing Pakatan needs to do when they take over control of the federal government is to omit the use of ‘race’ and ‘religion’ in any government documents, and to make it illegal to ask anyone about one’s race and religion in any documents.
#101 by Jong on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:01 pm
The fear and insecurity of having to be pushed out of office has resulted in desperate attempt to create confusion in the country, a good reason to “emergency rule”. See how low they are prepared to go just to retain power!
#102 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:03 pm
Yep, reminds me of the Limbo Rock! How low can you go??
#103 by dawsheng on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:03 pm
“Jangan heretkan saya dalam gelangang politik, tolong…” The Speaker, Tan Sri Pandikar Amin Mulia
We have got the worst speaker in planet earth.
#104 by One4All4One on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:04 pm
Complex it is…it will take a group leaders in the form of those when Malaya fought for Independence…
There needs to be a renewed spirit of nation building, a new and equitable constitution, a sense of new direction in the changed and globalised world..
The world is a changed place…and will keep on changing..and the nation needs to change its ways to adapt and adjust..
No doubt Malaysia needs a NEW set of leaders…
The winds of change are blowing…nature ( politics and human behaviour, etc., included) works in such a way that turbulence would force and give birth to new situation and conditions…
It is a humankind thing that we are facing now..no one society in the world can escape that..
#105 by Jong on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:04 pm
Time to delete ‘race’ & ‘religion’ from all legal govt documents. That’s great suggestion. I agree with you, undergrad2.
#106 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:05 pm
How low could BN go??
Every limbo boy and girl
All around the limbo world
Gonna do the limbo rock
All around the limbo clock
Jack be limbo, Jack be quick
Jack go unda limbo stick
All around the limbo clock
Hey, let’s do the limbo rock
Limbo lower now
Limbo lower now
How low can you go
#107 by kerajaan.rakyat on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:07 pm
Dear YB Lim,
This is what the Malays always said:
PDRM just like “Lembu kena cucuk hidung”.
Idiot that follows the Idiots..!!
http://www.kerajaanrakyat.blogspot.com/
#108 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:12 pm
Do not look down on the ‘lembus’ and ‘lembu susu” – because UMNO leaders have perfected a way on how to milk their cows! Only difference is they are ‘milking’ their cows for cash and not for their milk.
#109 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:14 pm
Time for my brunch. See ya..!
#110 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:14 pm
dawsheng says we have the worst speaker on planet earth.
Well, we have a finance minister who failed entrance statistics. We have another finance minister who lost RM12 billion of the country’s reserves on FX speculation. We have an AG that has a third class honours degree, the lowest pass grade available. We have as secretary-general of BN a person who was implicated in Lingamgate scandal. We have as UMNO information chief a person who was indicted for carrying millions in cash into Australia, but released on a technicality.
Bolehland is the laughing stock of the world, but does the Barang Naik coalition care ? Does some UMNOputra like RealWorld care ? Not when the word “shame” is not in their dictionary.
#111 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:18 pm
Like RealWorld says on another thread, we have to earn our way….and for every UMNOputra, the right way is to receive the keys to the national coffers.
#112 by ENDANGERED HORNBILL on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:21 pm
Police interference in the political process is delusional, disgusting, and despicable!
We remember Syed Hamid is that not-so-bright foreign minister once, now teying to make good in home affairs after being such a dismal failure on the international stage.
When will BN ever learn. It’s not a question ‘if’; it’s only ‘when’ will BN get the boot for unceasing disrespect and trampling on the people’s common and basic rights and wishes.
#113 by Jong on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:21 pm
They have no qualms taking from the till, as if it’s their right to do so!
#114 by blablowbla on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:24 pm
pandikar bodoh kata ‘prevention is better than cure’?
i sokong tapi,mengapa PDRM tak buat begitu kpd mat rempit,snatch thieves,penagih dadah,kongsi gelap,perogol (polis yg rogol gadis kot!),penjahat,penyangak,samseng,samseng umno,pembunuh tmn medan,pembunuh jinjang utara olih gang india,pembuli,pembunuh C4 dll?????
klu polis begitu cekap,aman dan damailah kita!
tapi,sebaliknya berlaku!bekas polis namanya bala pun lari sembunyi krn takutkan polis,kita rakyat biasa mana tak takut?
polis sudah jadi gangsters,sekarang,jangan nafi lagi,diperalatkan olih UMNO!!!!
#115 by justice fighter on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:37 pm
PR Must Keep On Trying…To Take Over
#116 by yog7948 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:39 pm
Godfather Says:
“We have an AG that has a third class honours degree, the lowest pass grade available.”
When you have inept people running the country…1st Class mentality is not allowed in BN.. it will jeopardize their existence.
#117 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:56 pm
Jong,
Often, the obvious is forgotten. As a step towards a society based on the core values of equality and justice for all, the new government would need to expunge all references to race and religion from all its documents and introduce legislation to make it illegal to ask for racial origin and religion at job interviews, when opening bank accounts etc.
#118 by pjboy on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:57 pm
The #1 rule in BN politics to stay in power: never employ anyone smarter than you. Imagine this taking place every 5 years since 1970. So, what can we expect from such people? They can only resort to using police & army forces to quell rakyat. Both are suppose to serve & protect the rakyat – but it has turned around to serve only those in political power. Isn’t this behaviour a little like the USA politicians? This is a sign of the feared becoming afraid of the fearless. Such tactics can only mean one thing: they have done something wrong to the rakyat & nation. There’s no answer to the question why do people, ordinary folks, protest?
The road blocks will be good testament to foreign visitors, esp if they had to rush to the airport to catch their flight. That’s great welcome & goodbye to our tourist industry. The opposition party will always be blamed for such actions or tactics, to the expense of the rakyat’s suffering. When is the ruling gov going to mature & wake up?
#119 by yog7948 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 11:58 pm
64 more days..
DSAI and PR to govern or to loose face; BeeEnd will ERASE it’s opponents or be erased by its own ignorance. ..
What else can they do? Desperate people do desperate things.. even their shadows looks like DSAI now. Scaring the poo out of them. paranoia case.
Surely, they will take all that can to SILENCE DSAI or anyone from PR.. Police state maybe another card for BeeEnd apart from ISA.
“BN MP’s won’t mind not brushing their teeth for months and stink, but the can’t imagine living a day without POWER” That is what corrupted power has done to them.
#120 by ShiokGuy on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:03 am
I dont want to be in the speaker shoe at all. Unless I have totally control of the floor where I can MUTE anyone who choose to speak without my permission :P
Shiok Guy
#121 by dewitgoh on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:08 am
Two words to describe the road blocks – pariah and desperate. I wonder how many road users with medical emergencies suffered today. And what runs in their mind when it comes to making a stand – who caused the jam – the opposition or the police? The same childish tactic was used last year supposedly to stop Hindraf demo – and the road blocks took placed 5 days before the so-called rally. Why? Just so that some simple minded you straight dont belok belok will think it’s caused by Hindraf and not the police.
#122 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:17 am
UMNO is not paranoid, they are just playing dirty politics, it is part of the game, and being part of the game, it will always backfire no matter how good you are. This round UMNO think they win and everything is under control, really?
#123 by yog7948 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:33 am
In my opinion, all these commotion by BeeEnd is not for the parliaments ” NC Vote” but more towards their Welcoming reception for DSAI evening interrogation. They must have planned something more pleasant for DSAI.
DSAI must have disappointed the THUG in Blue.. and Home Minion BOTAK Albab. Heard them barking at the news..
#124 by dewitgoh on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:46 am
It’s quite common political leaders propagate exaggerated claims of high support and being in control, just as much as Saddam Hussein denied having lost control of Iraq a day or so before he went into hiding.
#125 by lovemalaysiaforever on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 1:12 am
People who think they still want to vote for BN are trully MORONS!!
#126 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 1:19 am
If Mahathir wants to save Malaysia from going down the drain, he should confess that he had framed Anwar with the sodomy and corruption charges in 1998.
#127 by mycroft on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 1:51 am
Not wanting to touch on the issue of the rejection of the two motions here. But has there ever been, in the history of any Parliamentary democracy during peace time, during times where there are no civil unrests, that the people have been denied access to their representatives by barring them from Parliament? Furthermore, is the presence of armed policemen with assault rifles an unwelcomed precedent that Malaysia has introduced into the Westminster form of Government that we supposedly follow here?
#128 by Joe Yap Wei Lea on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 2:21 am
Dear YB,
The minute I saw the video… I was so frustrated… WHERE IS DEMOCRACY??? HOW DARE THEY TELL THE WORLD THAT WE ARE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY???????? If they are not listening, wht is the point of helding a meeting if Pakatan is not able to voice out? The speake is a real stupid fool and side BN only!!! THEY ARE REAL STUPID.
YB, sorry if I’m being so rude. But I just can’t take it!
YB SAVE MALAYSIA FROM ALL THIS FOOLS RULING OUR COUNTRY!
TURUN BN! TURUN PAK LAH! HIDUP RAKYAT! REFORMASI!!!
#129 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 3:20 am
“It is not the proper standing order. SO 18(1) and (2) does not allow for vote of no-confidence to be carried out. It is like a person who had committed raped but was charged for murder. You cannot do that,” the Speaker shouted!
Then tell us what is the correct standing order – or stand aside and let someone else take over as Speaker.
#130 by sheriff singh on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 4:25 am
The more videos we see, the more convinced we are that we have an a..h..e for a Speaker.
Reminds me of Mugabeland.
#131 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 6:34 am
This Speaker has to decide whether he wants to be a parliamentarian or a guest on Saturday Night Live!
#132 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 6:41 am
“He explained that the emergency motion requesting for a resolution which leads to voting should be filed under SO 27.”
So the Speaker did point out to the proper standing order. So now what???
#133 by milduser on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 6:54 am
The speaker himself was a former umno lackey. What can you expect of him? Prevent every motions sponsored by the opposition from been debated. That talkative speaker is no good at his job. Should be sacked with immediate effect! Openly bias and STUPID. How he can be appointed to that important position is a “mystery”. It’s ashame our august Parliament are manned by people of sub-standard caliber! Will we be able to achieve vision 2020? I doubt, looking at the quality of our parliamentary speaker’s current performance. World class parliament?
#134 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 8:17 am
//So the Speaker did point out to the proper standing order// – Undergrad2
Not only tyhe Speaker. Former secretary to Parliament Datuk Abdullah Abdul Wahab already pointed that out in interview with NST 2008/06/22.
He pointed out pros and cons of order 18 versus order 27.
Quote:
“Q: Is a vote of no-confidence technically possible in Parliament?
A: Technically, possible. But, there’s no specific Standing Order pertaining to a vote of no-confidence.
Q: If any MP wanted a vote of no-confidence against the PM, what does he need to do?
A: Submit a motion.
Q: Is it just like any other motion?
A: Yes. That’s why they’re saying that it has to be under Standing Order 27, or Standing Order 18.
But Order 27 means, if it is not a government business, it will be buried in the Order Paper — it won’t come up.
Q:The Speaker decides whether a motion should be heard or not?
A: Depending on the Standing Order. You see, if you submit under Order 18, the Speaker can decide. He can decide whether he wants to reject it in chambers, in the House, or allow it to be debated.
Q: How does the Speaker decide if it’s of public importance or not?
A: He has to study the issue. What is the issue? Is the public clamouring for it?”
[Standing Order 27 motion requires 14 days’ notice and there is no mechanism to ensure that it is brought up for debate by the House, apart from appearing on the Order Paper. Standing Order 18 motion requires only 24-hr notice. Dewan Rakyat, orginally scheduled to adjourn today, will adjourn on Thursday following a two-day extension. – Kit]
#135 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 8:27 am
Doesn’t it seem strange that PKR chose to move a motion of no confidence under Standing Order 18 that does not carry a vote? Some more it is forseeable one needs Speaker’s clearance under this SO, which predictably not easy. So why proceed by SO 18 in first place??
One does not need Speaker to advise PKR. Former secretary to Parliament Datuk Abdullah Abdul Wahab already pointed that out in interview with NST 2008/06/22. See: http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/SundayInterview/2274139/Article/index_html
It may well be PKR is not serious about securing no confidence vote because basically it has not the numbers. As I said earlier, if PR really has the numbers defectors would have crossed the floor by now: No need for any motion! It wants to hype for a certain agenda.
Remember the prediction of 1 million at the last “boxer’s shorts” rally in Kelana Jaya? Only 20-30,000.
#136 by Bigjoe on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 8:33 am
I was actually laughing as Pandikar Amin was explaining his actions to the press. The man basically think if he quote a rule the public don’t understand well and the media cannot explain it quickly, and if he says it slow and forcefully, then he wins.
This is the same thing Jerry Lewis does with his comedy, slapstick that people feel uncomfortable about and then finds it necessary to laugh at it.
This realization of the similarity to Jerry Lewis then made me realized that I should not laugh at Pandikar Amin but be scared because Jerry Lewis is an icon in France which Pandikar Amin seek to do to his constituency. Jerry Lewis is about comedy, Pandikar Amin is about something serious.
#137 by blablowbla on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 8:54 am
bodoh punya speaker pandikar,klu pembangkang telah keluar dewan,awak suruh pembahasan diteruskan,itu mp bn bahas dgn hantu ke atau bayang-2 sendiri???
krn usul-2 pembangkang selalu ditolak olih speaker yg terlalau banyak cakap ini,yg ‘bias ‘ini,u dah memalukan malaysia di depan mata-2 orang seluruh dunia!
#138 by lupus on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 9:00 am
Let face it, UNMO thinks that it IS the Government and everyone else are their slaves.
#139 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 9:04 am
For a motion of no confidence to succeed in this case it would need bipartisan support. Is Pakatan confident that it has enough bipartisan support to succeed?
#140 by TheWrathOfGrapes on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 9:20 am
# Godfather Says:
Yesterday at 16: 46.28
One4All4One said:
“Singapore comes to mind.
Hong Kong comes to mind.
Taiwan comes to mind.
Japan comes to mind.
China comes to mind.
Even Thailand comes to mind.”
Bolehland – never mind.
Bodohland – lost its mind.
#141 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 9:40 am
“Is Pakatan confident that it has enough bipartisan support to succeed?”
Not at this moment. However, I feel that the no-confidence motion in the PM should be move every time parliament is in session.
#142 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:02 am
dawsheng,
If Pakatan is not confident the no-confidence motion will pass, then it would only be a symbolic gesture at best!
#143 by dawsheng on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:32 am
At least, even symbolic in nature, it has to go on, or else you don’t move such a motion in the first place, to stop also means PR symbolically has confident in the PM. PR has to explain to the people who voted for them into parliament why the no-confidence motion is the most crucial issue facing the nation.
#144 by Damocles on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:34 am
Well, fellow posters, I have said many times before and I’m going to say it again.
The BN will not give up the government. No matter what.
Period.
#145 by Jeffrey on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:46 am
There is no point in symbolic gesture because otherwise it means (1) one is not “serious” on a serious matter like a motion of no-confidence on the govt. of the day that in turn affects adversely one’s credibility and (2) one is not responsible to the nation as such motion of no confidence affects adversely the markets and investors’ confidence (not to mention traffic as when police erect road blocks). It should not be treated like “tikam”, try luck whenever one feels like it.
#146 by limkamput on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:58 am
Thus far many have moved along and give moral support to PR for a simple reason that BN is so inept and corrupted. It is not like PR has proven anything. Hence, PR must also be more circumspect. It is better to talk less if we can’t deliver. It is better to promise less if we can’t meet the expectation. September 16 will be soon here. Would it be another broken pledge? I would think so.
I don’t want the rakyat to lose faith in PR because there are no viable alternative right now. So please, be focused and think through the strategies. If PR can’t act strategically and coherently as an opposition, how can it do the same when it takes the helm of the Federal Government. If BN play dirty and indulge in unnecessary politicking, PR needs not do the same. BN is not our teacher. Don’t do stuff that gives the excuse to BN to create inconvenience to the rakyat.
#147 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 10:58 am
Then explain why Pakatan has opted to move a motion which is destined to fail? Unless you’re saying that Pakatan leaders have reason or reasons to believe that the motion stands a reasonable chance of getting through.
#148 by badak on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:10 am
The motion in parliament will not see the light of day.The UMNO led BN goverment knows that.If the demonstration was to be held in Parliament house?.Why the hell was police road block all over KL TOWN?
60% OF OFFICE WORKERS WHEN TO WORK LATE.TAXI DRIVERS REFUSED TO PICKED UP PASSENGERS.WHY?
I even asked a police man why all this road block? His answer was “” TANYA ANWAR. “” IGP said they had inteligents information.THE ONLY INTELIGENT INFORMATION THEY GOT WAS FROM BIG BROTHER UMNO.HAVE ROAD BLOCKS…LET THE RAKYAT BLAME ANWAR AND PR FOR IT.But police and UMNO is wrong…The rakyat are blaming the police for it.
#149 by monsterball on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:11 am
That sickening K.L. road blocks!
No one is rushing to shops..buying extra..food stuffs.
Bloggers..all do not have any advance news.
Malaysians and political bloggers usually have advance news of trouble coming up!
UMNO simply want to create fear and paint the picture….Anwar is troublesome….and dangerous.
How low will they go?
My small company lost so much money on unproductive work.All my technicians cannot provide excellent service after sales….to our valued customers..because of the road blocks.
What about huge corporations?
What about Malaysians trying to rush to hospitals…for emergency treatments?
How many may die…with Malaysians ..feeling helpless….because of the rad blocks….cannot speak out…..what’s the use…to speak out. Who cares for them?
UMNO is so selfish and on extreme.. self denial moods…….they will resort to all sorts of stunts…to win confidence back.
They never play a fair game. They never admit mistakes. Apology from Home Minister..is half hearted…and too late………the damage is done….yet.. he also defended …the road block..instructed by Nazri…justifiable. This Nazri is a clear example…why UMNO should be voted out.
#150 by badak on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:24 am
The best thing PR can do now is to table a motion againts party hopping.If any MPs who want to switced party they must step down first .
They rakyat likes by election..New roads ,rubbish is collected every day,grass is cut ,poor family in the area will get some money ,free rice wil be distributed,Petrol price might even come down.
#151 by pakpandil on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:32 am
BN Government bloc the roads to inconvenience the public. The ‘rakyat’ are suffering but BN is ignoring this fact. We will vote for Pakatan Rakyat in the next general election/ by-election.
#152 by undergrad2 on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:37 am
“…one is not responsible to the nation as such motion of no confidence affects adversely the markets and investors’ confidence (not to mention traffic ..” Jeffrey
I believe investor confidence has been adversely affected by events for some time now – culminating in the ‘08 GE. Any challenges to the status quo necessarily bring with them some political instability and investors do not like political instability because of the economic uncertainty involved and the increased exposure to their capital which ‘change’ brings. The political opposition filing a no-confidence motion against the PM in Parliament is a symptom of that ‘change’. It has already been factored into their calculations.
The longer the crisis of leadership within UMNO continues, the worse it gets.
In a developed country, the mere mention of a scandal involving a Minister is enough to make that Minister want to step down or be made to step down because of the media attention and the distraction involved in refuting allegations which have nothing to do with the business of government. But, of course, Malaysia is a third world country and could not be compared to others in the developed world – and what’s more it is living up to its name!
The fact that an issue as important as a no-confidence motion against a sitting Prime Minister has to be mentioned in the same breath as traffic jams merely adds to the confusion.
Have we not made enough mockery of our system of government?
#153 by limkamput on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:53 am
OK, PR, show it to us you can do one thing solid. Seek an explanation from the Home Minister and the IGP. Ask them to explain why the road blocks. Seek RELENTLESSLY for their resignation if no credible explanation is forecoming. Please don’t play game unless the inconvenience of the people is nothing to you and BN. Take on an issue can carry to its very end. Can you do it?
#154 by pjboy on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 11:54 am
Are there any legal grounds for rakyat to sue the BN gov for causing the traffic jam or road blocks unnecessarily. It is also loss of business to many many retailers, etc in the city & the surrounding town areas.
What the BN is implying is that the rakyat is dumb & barbarians only know how to protest-protest only. We know better than that & who are the real barbarian-minds.
We got better things to do. Make more road blocks & all the tourists to our lovely country will never come back.
Imagine, after driving for over 3-4 hours on North-South highway & getting stuck in a no-reason traffic jam for over 1 hour covering only 1-2km. All for the sake of protecting the powers that be. This is pea-brain action. What is BN afraid of? The rakyat or PR, or both? Not to mention all the fuel wasted & pollution caused by this moronic action. IF there were any rally or protest, it will be centralised in one area…not the entire city. As RPK said “Bodoh”. At least traffic will still be normal. This is not the 1st time.
The PDRM can put up those ‘baywatch’ style towers to observe traffic during festive seasons…why can’t they do the same here. Instead of putting priority into catching mat rempits, snatch thieves, etc – PDRM is only interested in protecting the VIPs (Very Idiotic Politicians). Innocent rakyat getting robbed, raped, etc is not high on the agenda of the BN gov but only to safeguard their political power is. A sodomy case is now the highest priority – using all up available resources. The sodomy case seem to work faster than any other high profile & more important to nation cases too! Wonder why? Many people are baffled how our legal system works & how cases are categorised for priority. Sodomy case must be on top of all others, even if it bankrupt the nation.
Suggest all those who suffered due to the traffic jams caused by the road-blocks file a class action suit. This is especially those who needed to rush to hospital. Imagine someone just suffered a heart attack or stroke & died due to the jam coz couldn’t get to the hospital in time. Not to mention, tourist that just arrived from KLIA – tired & all – looking forward to the city, checking into comfortable hotel…but caught in a jam. What a way to welcome guests to the country.
#155 by limkamput on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:12 pm
PJboy, well said, and I think most can relate to the inconvenience caused. But I think it is pointless to sue the “government” because even if you succeed, it will take years and the penalty will be on the “government” paying out from the national coffer which is our money anyway. I think some specific person or persons in the government, the Home Minister or the IGP must be made to suffer materially. They must be sacked, demoted or fined personally for causing havoc to the city for nothing. PR must pursue this RELENTLESSLY, unless you too don’t care about the people. This is a typical example of politician engaging in shenanigans, the people suffer.
#156 by badak on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 12:19 pm
I saw both the TV3 8 PM news and the chiness news on NTV 7 at 9.30 pm.It really sucks when TV3 only shows one sided news.Im talking about the non showing of Anwar at the police station for his stament to be recorded.
TV3 only showed the press statement by the CID Director.TV3 made it sound like Anwar is hiding from the police.My family and i also thought that Anwar was hiding from the police.
But after watchng NTV7 CHINESS NEWS.It showed both the press statement by the CID Director and by Anwar,s wife. For those who only saw TV3 NEWS .Let me share with you NTV7 CHINESS NEWS.
Wan azizah said “” 15 police officers came to my house to take Anwar to the balai for questioning.At that
time we were in Penang,no one was home.Anwar have given full support to the police .They have our phone numbers at no time were we infom by the police that they wanted to question Anwar.
I hope this will clear some doubts from those who only watch UMNO CONTROL TV3.
By the way the CID Director sounds like an UMNO member.The police shoud no take sides on any issues.When you have some one as high as the CID dIrector taking sides then its sad.
#157 by cheng on on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 1:56 pm
If they are so paranoid, then anybody can just say, there is a protest gathering every day in KL, then are they going to block road every day? What the f..k is this police good for? the would be thieves and robbers can just spread protest news every day, and there will be not enaf police to monitor these bad hats??
#158 by pjboy on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 2:02 pm
They should just block Putrajaya & leave the rakyat alone. The roadblocks are worst than rally or protest. In the UK, rally or protest are common. Most of the time it is peaceful. Unless provoked by authorities. Who in the right mind would want to gather & fight in a crowd? Provocation can be within (moles planted to cause trouble) or external – unreasonable use of force & water cannons.
All of these events have been successful in burying the issue on the indelible ink…up to now, no proof for cause to cancel the use of the ink. Where are the illegal importers of the ink?
#159 by highhand on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 2:16 pm
its a mockery of parliment,
its a insult to civil liberties,
its a disgrace to democracy
with all the police in full gear and assault weapons toying around,
some day some innocent civilian will be mistakenly shot at n mati katak
#160 by monsterball on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 3:03 pm
I have a strange feeling….every minister is encouraged to freely talk or act….to win votes for UMNO….and UMNO have high regards for Nazi’s decisions…as most have no guts……or no creative ideas.
One who tried with a Kris….got blown off..now very tame and mild.
Then one.. righteous….tame and mild mannered….from Johore…sacked by Mahathir…came back…now a minister….
Before the 12th election…fear factors were put into actions…with tear gas and water canons.
They are at it again..creating fear factor….now targeted on Anwar.
With the road blocks..it is painting the picture.Anwar is dangerous and hell of a troublesome man.
It is also telling Malaysians to keep supporting Anwar..this is what we can expect more and more.
Anything for UMNO…all ministers are encouraged to act..and look at that nobody….what is his name..Ezam??…..challenging Anwar…with powerful words of warning to Anwar.
Such are the signs of desparados….for Anwar have only to prove Najib is a liar….that will bury UMNO for good.
Malaysians are patiently waiting for Anwar to deliver…and stop predicting…talking.
I look forward to to-night’s debate.
Don’t tell me..police will arrest him tonight?
#161 by Kathy on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 3:30 pm
Thank you Undergrad2 for the great comments and suggestions.
For a motion of no confidence to succeed in this case it would need bipartisan support. Is Pakatan confident that it has enough bipartisan support to succeed?
I agree with you on the above statement. If the no confidence motion is just a symbolic thing, then it would be best not to have it at all.
Most of us would actually want to see something more concrete from Pakatan than just the words and promises.
#162 by moy yew hon on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 6:14 pm
the speaker talks like a duck… he should be the voice for disney’s donald duck
#163 by moy yew hon on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 6:19 pm
another thing about pandikar amin … his english sucks… pls dont try to speak english when your english sucks