The announcement by Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi yesterday of a 24-month transition plan for him to step down as Umno President and Prime Minister in June 2010 and hand over power to his deputy, Datuk Seri Najib Razak is clearly the product of an intense multi-faceted power struggle involving various factions inside Umno as well as players outside Umno.
It was only two weeks ago that Najib made the startling public statement after a back-to-back Umno and Barisan Nasional supreme council meetings on the same day that the Prime Minister presented the Ninth Malaysia Plan Mid-Term Review in Parliament that he did not dismiss the possibility that he might contest the Umno presidency in the coming Umno party polls.
Such a statement did not really square with Najib’s declaration yesterday after Abdullah’s announcement that he had never won positions in the party through challenges against incumbents, adding: “Why then should I start now? I will not do something (challenge my boss), something I do not want to be done to me.”
It has been reported that Abdullah and Najib had discussed the power transition plan over five meetings in the past month, and if so, the public ultimatum by Najib two weeks ago that he could go for the Umno President’s post would have factored prominently in yesterday’s event.
It will continue to be an intriguing question as to who has got the upper hand, Abdullah or Najib, but whether Abdullah’s announcement yesterday will end the Umno turmoil is most problematic, especially with the rise of the chorus of dissent both inside and outside UMNO, viz:
• Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin – “Some have expressed concern that if the duration is that long, the situation will not become more convincing.”
• Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah – “This handover thing is unconstitutional and it is not something that should be passed down from one leader to another. The matter of Umno’s presidency and in turn, Malaysia’s prime ministership, should be endorsed by the grassroots.”
• Tun Dr. Mahathir – “Najib akan dijanji peralihan kuasa akan dibuat pada 2010. Sebelum sampai tarikh keramat ini tuduhan akan dilempar terhadapnya supaya dia ternampak tidak lagi layak untuk menjadi Timbalan Perdana Menteri.
”Seorang yang dianggap lebih setia kepada Dato Seri Abdullah akan menggantinya. Pengganti tidak akan ambil alih jawatan Perdana Menteri pada 2010 kerana kurang pengalaman. Dato Seri Abdullah akan bermurah hati untuk mengisi jawatan itu hingga Pilihanraya Umum ke-13.”
But what really raised eyebrows of Malaysians is Abdullah’s statement yesterday that the 24-month power transition will give him time to carry out reforms as promised.
Abdullah should come to Parliament on Monday during the winding-up of the Ninth Malaysia Plan Mid-Term Review debate to list out the reforms he would accomplish in his last 24 months in office which he had failed so dismally to deliver in the past five years.
It was Abdullah’s very failure to deliver his reform pledges in the 2004 general election for which he was given the unprecedented mandate of 91 per cent of parliamentary seats which produced the March 8 “political tsunami” in the 12th general election, ending Umno and Barisan Nasional’s unbroken two-thirds parliamentary majority and causing their electoral debacle in five states.
In the past four months, despite Abdullah’s assurances that he had finally heard the voices of the people and repeat of his reform pledges, nothing has been delivered in the critical areas of restoring national and international confidence in the police (there has been no word on the establishment of an Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission), the judiciary and in an all-out war against corruption.
Can Abdullah achieve anything in carrying out national reforms before the end of the Ninth Malaysia Plan in the next two years when he had failed so dismally in the past five years?
This is the question he must answer in the final government winding-up of the parliamentary debate on the Ninth Malaysia Plan Mid-Term Review on Monday.
#1 by sheriff singh on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:18 pm
This lame duck wants to flip-flop and bungle for another 24 months. And he wants Najib to sit by his side to learn “how to do it”. Why can’t Najib do it “his” way?
If Najib hasn’t learnt anything during his tenure as a Minister and as DPM, another 24 months won’t make any difference. So why wait?
And Ku Li isn’t getting any younger.
#2 by boh-liao on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:19 pm
Boleh – Tak boleh – Boleh – Tak boleh …… (flip-flop-flip-flop…..)
The country is at the mercy of the internal politics of Umno – as clearly shown in the last 51 years. And the trend will continue.
#3 by highhand on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:19 pm
seriously, is it a joke? u still want to keep him for another 24 months?
#4 by blablowbla on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:23 pm
100% sure!he cant!
he is incompetent,everyone knows about that!
mayb he can b a religion school HM,few hundred ppl will suffer,but now,he is a Hadhari Head,27 million ppl are sickenning!
#5 by Jong on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:33 pm
I think it’s possible, enough time for him to position his $IL !
He knows Najib won’t be able to last another 23 months.
#6 by pgsilai on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:38 pm
If you can’t proof yourself in 5 years, can you proof yourself in 2 years time? I think is selfish of him not to make way, he should think of the Rakyat, the longer he lingers here, the more we are going to suffer. Is like a rocky marriage, when too much damage is done, we just want a divorce ASAP. Why wait 2 years more, why not now? What is that to proof anymore? Is Najis not capable or he is too tainted?
#7 by pulau_sibu on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:40 pm
Poor Abdullah. No body asked him, ‘please don’t resign in 2010 because we still need your leadership!’
Yet he wanted to stay based on his own merit. He wants to implement his projects. What did he mean by his projects? Then there must be his party UMNO and his country, all treated as his own properties. Did he mean that Najib cannot do the job? If Najib cannot handle this job as prime minister now, he will not be able to do it next year or the year after, or 10 years from now.
In my opinion, Najib will be a gone case. UMNO should by pass current group of corrupted and incompetent leaders. UMNO should seek leadership from the younger generation those who are not the YES men. Are there such real leaders available in UMNO? It is very questionable.
UMNO is on the way to extinction, so is BN.
#8 by taiking on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:46 pm
….. Two years later
Tuan2 dan Puan2,
Tun Abdullah Badawi, Chancellor Universiti Angkasa.
clap.clap.clap
Standing ovation
clap some more. clap some more. clap some more
Terima kasih semua.
terima kasih.
saya janji bahawa dalam masa 2 tahun Universiti Angkasa akan buka cawangan di bulan
clapping.clapping.clapping
#9 by Cinapek on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:50 pm
88 trips overseas in first 44 months of office.
So now 48 trips in the remaining 24 months? Why not? Since Najib will be carrying the baby anyway. Something goes wrong, blame Najib.
And since the March 8 tsunami, not much chance to use the luxury plane so must max it while still got chance.
#10 by kcee on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 2:56 pm
It is just not right for Badawi to pass on his PM post to Najib since it was the former who was given the mandate by the Rakyat not the latter. If Najib wants to be the next PM then get elected through the Democratic process. Moreover Najib still has the Altantuya’s murder case to deal with as you can’t have a murder suspect becoming the PM but I guess Malaysia Bolih!
#11 by Godfather on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:01 pm
This is the typical Malaysian mentality. A student fails his exams. Never mind lah, give him 2 more years. If he/she fails again, give him/her 2 more years. That’s why we have the largest pool of unemployed graduates. That’s why we have the most incompetent bureaucracy.
Never mind lah. Badawi failed his entrance statistics, but we must give him time to learn from the job of finance minister. If 2 more years aren’t enough, give him a few more lah. Assure him we will give him as long as it takes.
JUST ENSURE THAT THE HANDS OF HIS RELATIVES AND CRONIES ARE NOT IN THE NATION’S COFFERS.
#12 by baoqingtian on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:01 pm
Of course he can’t deliver. But he knows he can’t let his morally unfit deputy become PM one day. He just hopes that his deputy would be toppled before the hand over. People want Bodowi to retire earlier but they too do not want to see Najis becoming PM one day.
The scandals involving Najis are to serious to be ignored even by Bodowi. Just that, he has no guts to expose them. So he is giving Najis’ enemies time to finish him up.
With this he will not offend Najis’ supporters and at the same time able to continue as PM.
#13 by RealWorld on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:06 pm
Please be reminded Pak Lah is the rakyat’s choice.
#14 by Jong on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:13 pm
He said they gave him a ‘standing ovation’ and he felt a sense of “achievement”! hahaha what a joke, I rolled in laughter and suffered stomach cramp! :D
#15 by kun9999 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:13 pm
I thought in democratic govt, when the PM step down the deputy PM can only act as temporary PM until the nation vote for new PM? How come our PM just simply hand his power to some1?
#16 by Jong on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:22 pm
This is “Bolehland” – apa pun boleh jadi. Thugs rule in UMNO for decades now, and there’s not a single “jantan” to stand up and challenge their self made rule.
#17 by Damocles on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:26 pm
# highhand Says:
Today at 14: 19.48 (1 hour ago)
seriously, is it a joke? u still want to keep him for another 24 months?
No, the electorate doesn’t want to keep him even for 24 seconds!
#18 by Mr Smith on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:30 pm
This is a selfish arrangement with total disregard for the well being of the nation. UMNO has forgotten that BN is a coalition but it acts as though it owns the government.
Two years is an eternity in politics. Anything is possible before 2010. UMNO might be in the opposition, Anwar might be PM, Najib might be in jail, Abdullah might have retired in Perth.
#19 by grace on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:39 pm
Abdullah is really a failure. Another 2 more years means more failures. HE IS NOT REALLY A PM MATERIAL LA IN THE FIRST CASE!!!
Najib, another lame duck. To much baggage to carry. He too cannot really function. I believe a good choice would still be Tengku Razaleigh
#20 by peterchiang on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:46 pm
In the midst of “Semua harga naik”, something turun….Bapa Kenaikan Malaysia akan turun, kemungkinan, dalam 24 bulan?
Is it 24 months or is it 2 or 4 months?
Anyhow, AAB is smarter than most people thought. When he runs out of wit, which can be quite often, he counts on his lucky stars all over the sky, which can be quite a lot.
Love it or hate it, he catalized formation of a new political landscape, hardly one can imagine at the time of strongman era, and becomes the “expensive man” (??) for some.
#21 by badak on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 3:51 pm
All this happen when Najib said “” I will go for the number one post if condition is right “” It was reported in most news papers.So now Pak Lah has pull the rug under him.So how come you guys still thing that Pak Lah is stupid..To me he is one smart cookie.He even fooled Tun Dr M in giving him the PM,s post….
#22 by pulau_sibu on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:00 pm
I would also like to ask why our police cannot provide Bala with relevant protection such that he and his whole family had to fled to a foreign country? Why he kept telling that he life may be in danger. Is there any illegal or ‘legalised’ group that threatened him?
The police should bring him home immediately to show to the public that the police was not involved in smuggling him out of the country. By the way, what a lousy system if some one can depart Malaysia without leaving any record, or with the record but cannot be retrieved. The police should let us know how he fled the country (by air, by car,…..)
#23 by lovemalaysiaforever on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:05 pm
What AAB means is that “Saya belum puas lagilah!!!” Kerusi saya belum hangat lagi….. Nanti, nanti dulu biar saya syok-syok first baru saya tengok bagaimana ok….
Thanks to UMNO goons and BN supporters lol…this is what you have created lol…”Flip-Flop Awards 2008 goes to AAB & Naji…”
Who ever suka votes for Bn, they choose to flip-flop the economic and everything lol……..so flip-flop their family also lol
Year of 2008 a Flip-Flop Malaysia Year! Visit Flip-Flop Malaysia Year!!! because everything simply flip-flops….
#24 by FelixDT on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:09 pm
With careful planning and restructuring, I do think he can.
#25 by budak on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:13 pm
his promises had been overdue since last 5 years…
so it may kept overdue for the next 2 years…
what’s WRONG…???
if credit card company charging us 24% per annum…
why shall we be so lenient…???
#26 by rainbowseahorse on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:25 pm
My thoughts are:
1) Will Najib last long enough to be PM? Some of my friends are willing to bet that Najib WILL NEVER be PM of Malaysia.
2) By announcing handing over the premiership in 2010, is the PM betting with those friends of mine? If that happens closed enough to the deadline, the PM can very conveniently extend his priemiership due to the leadership crisis.
3) The PM has skillfully turned off the heat on himself with that announcement. So now the main battle will be Najib against Muhyiddin, Ku Li, and any other aspiring candidates from UMNO.
Should be a very interesting and entertaining trussel for the Deputy post. Hopefully, one or more of the aspiring candidates will play dirty and start drying Najib’s dirty laundry in public.
#27 by stnaaron on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:30 pm
well ! if PR organise a swimming pool filled with Rakyat Saliva from splitting exercise i think the amount of filling will be enough for two generation for BN and the gang to swim.
#28 by HJ Angus on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:30 pm
AAB has managed to buy himself another 2 years from UMNO and in a way that removes one major front from his PM’s post.
The PR front he can probably face as UMNO will tend to remain united or just lose Putrajaya.
Go read my blog for a reform that may improve things for all. Things are changing allbeit slowly.
http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-should-support-pm-on-this-move.html
#29 by kopi kau kau on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:30 pm
Yb,
The way the country is being govern, I strongly feel Pak Lah is still the best PM we can get so far…..
Assume that our Mathadir is still around …. think hard lah…. all of you would be under ISA …. Bloggers, politicans, etc….. you talk you go to jail… Our country would look peaceful and everybody can cari makan…..
Therefore however sleepy or careless our Pak Lah is, He is still the most democratic PM we have seen so far…..
So, I appeal to PKR, DAP, PAS, to support Pak Lah so that your survival in this political game is better. It better to have a sleepy or careless or bodowi … whatever terms you might use,,,, then to have Najis, Tengku, Muyuddhin….. all untested leaders… what happen another Mathadir come into picture?????
So we should count our lucky star that GOD have given us a’ good leader’… so please accept in good faith….
Opposition alway oppose for opposition sake….. Please remember you are now in control of 5 States…. Your dream and your vision since you started politic have been realized…. Stop behaving like small boy…. Be responsible and mature in your thinking and play a shrewd game……
GOD SAVE PAKATAN
#30 by rainbowseahorse on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 4:49 pm
Pak Lah should deliver his first pledge to the Rakyat which is to clean out corruption in Malaysia.
How can he do that within the remaining time that he has set himself?
Nah, I do not think that Pak Lah is going to step down in 2010. I am very sure that he has plans to make sure that there will be no one to succeed him as the dateline draws near. With so many skeletons in Najib’s closets, Pak Lah can use any of those skeletons to bring down Najib when the time is right. How else does it make sense that he selected a man, such as Najid who is tainted from head to toe, to be his successor? That plus diverting the expected battle for his top UMNO post to Najib deputy post.
As I remarked before, for someone who can and has successfully fooled Tun M into thinking he is stupid and harmless, that Pak Lah is a very devious man and will not ‘simply’ hand over power to someone else. But then again, maybe Pak Lah is indeed stupid and harmless and all his actions are those of his Oxford son-in-law doings!
#31 by Godfather on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 5:20 pm
RealWorld is right – Badawi is the rakyat’s choice given the results of the March elections. Like I said in my previous posting, we just have to ensure that the stealing stops – and that Badawi family members and cronies don’t dip their hands into the national coffers.
RealWorld – can we have some transparency from your bosses ? The vast majority think that Badawi can’t deliver, but can we make sure there’s no more stealing ?
Stealing is a hard habit to break, but break it we must.
#32 by Godfather on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 5:40 pm
Hey, RealWorld:
Do you know the meaning of the phrase “Stupid is as stupid does”?
#33 by milduser on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 5:50 pm
Come on let the politicians do what they do best : politicise. We can only criticize and get on with our life. Fair?
#34 by donplaypuks on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 5:51 pm
If AAB does absolutely nothing for the next 2 years, that would be doing too much.
So, let him do nothing and save up for his retirement.
#35 by ReformMalaysia on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 6:01 pm
‘PERKARA YANG BAIK(PAK LAH BERUNDUR) HARUS DISEGERAKAN!
why wait for 2 years? More damage could be done to our country within that 2 years.
#36 by ReformMalaysia on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 6:08 pm
‘Please be reminded Pak Lah is the rakyat’s choice. -Real world’
Well, many of the rakyats voted him to power because he promised not to increase fuel price….
But promise has been broken by him . A promise is a contract. Breaching of contract means the votes for him should not be valid anymore! Rakyat should ‘sue him’ and his party for damages for breaching the ‘contract’.
#37 by Tickler on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 7:15 pm
N_b swears he doesn`t know Altantunya?
‘ Wallahi Wabilahi Watallahi’ … Begitulah lafaz sumpah Timbalan Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri N_b Tun Razak semasa menafikan beliau pernah bertemu dan mengenali wanita Mongolia Altantuya Shariibu.
Beliau melafazkannya di depan Ketua UMNO Bahagian, Exco Pemuda, Wanita dan Puteri dari 191 bahagian UMNO di seluruh negara yang menghadiri taklimat khas Presiden UMNO di Dewan Merdeka Pusat Dagangan Dunia Putra,Kuala Lumpur petang Khamis.
http://www.agendadaily.com/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_1b63fcca-cabec5bb-154de0b0-d08a5a1a
#38 by alancheah on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 7:18 pm
The Answer: Don’t Think So.
#39 by yhsiew on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 7:18 pm
Tun M. said Pak Lah’s reluctance to quit and hand over power to his successor will only increase PR’s chance of taking over federal government.
I hope what Tun M. said will come true any time from now.
#40 by malaysia born on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 7:42 pm
The whole succession thing is a big joke on unmo, the malays and the country.
Where in the world is there such succession plan whereby the deputy is assured of the top post. It’s eitehr the leader die in office and the deputy ‘inherite’ teh top post albiet for a short term until the next elections.
To not allow the rest of the party memebrs to vote for their own leader, to deprive the party emmebrs to come out with a contender for any top post int eh party, the party is telling them, ‘look here, you kampong nicompoops, we don’t trust you with your choice of leaders. So keep quiet and in the meantime, enjoy the crumbs that i will be throwing at you once in a while’.
…..and the party members appalud and cheer the president decision!
What a pathetic race!
#41 by Godfather on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 8:06 pm
It’s definitely not passing the baton. It’s passing the key to the country’s Treasury.
#42 by Godfather on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 8:08 pm
And as long as Umnoputras like RealWorld can enjoy riding in his Bentley, and going for the occasional live games at Stamford Bridge, then the leadership will have the full applause of the Umnoputras. Clap ! Clap ! Clap ! Hidup UMNO ! Hidup Den of Thieves !
#43 by Loyal Malaysian on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 8:24 pm
No, I for one do not believe Badawi will be able to deliver on any reform for which we will remember him fondly with.
But why is he asking for 2 more years?
Perhaps some political observer can enlighten me on this matter.
#44 by bennylohstocks on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 8:25 pm
Sun Tzu- you son of a gun…
YOU ARE INDEED CONFUSING!
#45 by katdog on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 9:02 pm
“Where in the world is there such succession plan whereby the deputy is assured of the top post. It’s eitehr the leader die in office and the deputy ‘inherite’ teh top post albiet for a short term until the next elections.” -malaysia born
‘Please be reminded Pak Lah is the rakyat’s choice. -Real world’
I think you guys are confusing our parliamentary system with the more popular American presidential system. In America, the people vote for a specific Presidential candidate.
Our system is different in that we vote for our representatives (MP’s). The majority reps then select one of the elected MP’s to be the prime minister.
In other words, as long as the majority of MP’s agree, it is perfectly legal for Najib to be the next PM. Same with Anwar.
In a presidential system, Anwar would not be able to legally take over the government. If the President is incapable in anyway to carry out his duties, power goes down to the next in the chain of command.
Saying Pak Lah was the people’s choice is not entirely accurate as we do not directly vote for the choice of the Prime Minister.
#46 by lks on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 9:48 pm
I think most of us misunderstood what AAB mean by “reforms” in his last 24 months.
What we think about reform would be reform of : judisciary, police, election, UMNO politic, ACA etc.
But what I think he meant by reform is:-
– reform of the official tendering process so that he son will get all the contracts for the next 5 years;
– reform of the UMNO internal voting so that his SIL can secure the UMNO youth post;
– reform of the GLC so that his relatives will have hand on management in the running of the operation for the forseeable future!
That’s what he meant by giving him time to reform. Its the Money, stupid!!
#47 by undergrad2 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 9:58 pm
Since the announcement, his critics say he has no right to choose the next PM and that that right belongs to the people. The people get to choose, they say.
There is no direct election for the post of PM as there is for the post of President in a system like that followed by the U.S. So Abdullah is right and Abdullah is wrong. Abdullah is right because the convention is that the leader of the political party that wins the general elections gets to be PM. Convention as far this one goes can have the force of law. Abdullah is wrong because he should take heed of the swirl of criticism (to put it moderately) in the media against the man the subject of ‘his’ choice for the post of PM. Abdullah is wrong because all positions within his party are elected by popular vote employing procedures as laid down by the party’s constitution. Indicating ‘his’ choice of the next president of his party when he is the sitting PM cannot but be seen as an attempt to usurp the right of the party electorate to elect their own president.
Needless to say this dangerous precedent was set earlier by Mahathir whose defiance and scorn for rules and procedures, convention and the law is legendary. By making the key posts of president and deputy president immune from challenges, he placed his party on the slippery slopes. He did so without so much as a thought of what could happen once he is gone and when you have an unpopular sitting PM and party president. The same party mechanism he put in place when he was PM and president of his party now works against his party’s interest. What was he thinking? Could he have been thinking that he would and could be PM and president for life?!
#48 by undergrad2 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 10:04 pm
Jong Says:
Today at 15: 22.05 (6 hours ago)
This is “Bolehland” – apa pun boleh jadi. Thugs rule in UMNO for decades now, and there’s not a single “jantan” …”
Hey, don’t insult their ‘jantaness’. Some may be inclined to follow you home today to prove their ‘jantaness’. You don’t want that!
#49 by Jong on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 10:21 pm
Is there a word in Malay for “man enough”?
#50 by undergrad2 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 10:47 pm
Jong,
You gotta ask he who served with the BN government the entire period of his working life before retiring with a title from the BN government, a title described by him as “fairly respectable” He is the only one who writes on this blog in Bahasa to show how good he is.
But I understand where you are going with that! LOL.
#51 by James on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 10:49 pm
YB LKS
I fully agree with your firm view that the sleeping useless bodohwi can never introduce reforms to improve MY within 2 short years when he did absolutely nothing during the past 5 long years when he has been in power. This shameless moron that is a disgrace to his religion, race & country is boldly gambling to stay on in power for as long as he can. Why? To milk the nation dry & to make the rakyat suffer.
All Countrymen of MY must show strong signals to this multifaced liar so as to banish him from power b4 our beloved country becomes bankrupt & get colonised again……
#52 by bystander on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 10:57 pm
lets face it. no umnoputra has the competence, qualification, statesmanship, integrity, honesty and credibility beyond question to be a pm except yb. but then a nonmalay can never be ceo of glc or mb let alone be pm. how stupid, backward and racist.
#53 by Jong on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:02 pm
You two should start a “comedy court” !
#54 by One4All4One on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:06 pm
It is a case of “too many hands spoil the soup”.
If our PM wishes to deliver on his missions, he has to ignore the interjection and interference of his UMNO members. He has to singlemindedly focus on the agenda that he had set out and get things going without being affected by distractive voices and inconsonant ideas.
Malaysia suffers as the result of “hidden hands” in UMNO which only consider their own selfish and covert interests.
Malaysians at large cannot allow a faction of a political party to affect the day to day running of the country, and in the process cause them to suffer irreparable damages and loss of a lasting and monumental proportion.
THe future of generations of Malaysians to come is at stake and being jeopardised. We cannot allow the nation’s coffers to be drained and siphoned off uncheked. It would be a collosal trajedy for the nation if this continues.
By the way, the members of the faction, which could have interfered in the running of the nation, profess the teachings of a great religion, which teaches honesty, humility, respect, accountability, and all values that are virtuous, do not behave in a manner which is expected of them.
Seems like religion is only use as a front to steer one’s interest and agenda. God forbids!
Well, it will take someone who commands true leadership and who is infallible and self-righteous to be able to make things change for the better of our beloved nation. Anything less would not work.
Let’s pray for divine guidance for emergence of a leader of caliber and honour, in the fullest sense of the words, to lead a Malaysia of multi-ethnic, multi-religious, and multi-cultural background forward.
The future of a nation is at stake.
#55 by undergrad2 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:07 pm
Jong,
What I said is right. He is the only one who writes on this blog in Bahasa and if there is anybody who could help you with that question it is he who says he is good in bahasa. You gotta give some credit to the guy la!
#56 by bystander on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:12 pm
14all-you are day dreaming. the malays will never allow that to happen. nevertheless, i hope your pray comes true.
#57 by One4All4One on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:18 pm
While we may comment and disagree and criticise, let’s not go to the extent of using abusive words and descriptions. It only show our mentality and upbringing.
Let’s not do unto others what we do not want others do unto us.
Just as we expect others to excel, what do think others expect of us?
There must be principle and honour in our words and deeds. Else, whatever we say and do means nothing, and holds no water.
#58 by One4All4One on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:22 pm
Just as we expect others to excel, what do you think others expect of us?
#59 by devilmaster on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:26 pm
I had already said this last time,
#60 by bystander on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:33 pm
its very naive to expect a leader of calibre and honour to emerge. not in the next 50 years.
#61 by alwaysfair on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:36 pm
I have nothing much to comment on this matter because as far as I am concerned they are a crooked bunch. I prefer Najib better step down. He is ruthless but Badawi is decent.The manipulations on the ongoing altantuya case is unbelievable!! I think we let them fight it out. Sorry got to go to a very important topic. This one is for defense strategy.
I just like to propose that we should lobby for abolishment to sodomy law in Malaysia. Actually the law is an archaic law from colonial times which was adopted in British colonies, and with passage of time and greater emphasis on human rights are found to be irrelevant. This is because under the United Nations Charter there should be no criminalisation of same sexed sexual activity for consensual adults. Because the law should respect what people do in the privacy in their bed-rooms.
In India (previous British colony)this law was found to be unfair in imprisonment of some gay activists and was abolished after a long fight.
Every member country in UN, including M’sia should adopt and abide by this charter .
The reason I propose the anti-sodomy laws be ablished in M’sia is because though archiac it’s punishment can be draconian 10 to 20 yrs jail?
It was used once to throw Annuar in jail, and this weapon is now being weilded again once he becomes threat. Everyone know this is political assasination under the guise of legality and religiousity, and if this law still remain,it can be abused again by ruthless men to pervert justice.
Don’t think we have to plan for defense strategy??
Do you think we should abolish this law in M’sia? (no offense meant to Muslim)
If so how should we go about doing it?
Don’t youI think this is very important to protect our future leader???
Please do something???anyone ant idea???
#62 by disapointed86 on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:37 pm
Mahathir = Must Always Hantam Abdullah till he is removed
#63 by shamshul anuar on Friday, 11 July 2008 - 11:55 pm
Dear OneforAll4one,
Finally some sense and mannerism prevail. Your advice is timely. Many who claim moral high ground here are seriously lacking in proper upbringing.
By all mean criticize. But surely one does not have to stood that low by using insulting remarks and calling names. They themselves are intolerant of PM. Reading the remarks here including from Lim Kit siang make one feel that there is nothing good from UMNO, Malay, Islam or Pak Lah.
PM may not be a genius. He did not even claim to be one. But I feel that he is a decent. honest guy . He accepted defeat for example in Selangor. Never once he threaten to topple the MB of Selangor. Yet his opponent, Anwar , crying out loud to the whole world that he intended to topple PM. Imagine the fear, instability should PM tell that by Sept 16, Selangor will have a new MB.
As for Godfather, please get the fact right first. BN won the 12th General Election. That is the reason why Abdullah Badawi is appointed as the PM. Rakyat had already made the decisions. They decided that BN needs a wake up call. But they still want BN to rule Malaysia.
As much as you want Pak Lah to respect the choices of rakyat in Selangor, Penang, Kedah., Perak, Kelantan, you also accept the reality that UMNO won in Johor, Negri Sembilan, Melaka, Perlis, Trengganu, Pahang, sabah.
Your concern is of course is genuine. But as expected the target is misplaced. Talking about crony. Please remember that Penang DAP Chairman was not appointed as Chief Minister. Whatever happen, the post will go to the son of Kit Siang. No wonder it is called “Father and Son” Co.
#64 by Jan on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:07 am
This time no fat ministers tripping over themselves begging Badawi not to go. They all want him to go and as soon as possible.
#65 by Cannottahan on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:39 am
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#66 by alwaysfair on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:45 am
I dont know much about politics, but Badawi is a decent person. He might be a sleepy head,but if he has a bad heart then beware. The winds of democracy will not be blowing so freely and we cannot chat freely and he has benevolently allowed all these to flourish.
He cannot be blamed for being a poor leader because Dr M passed the baton to him to be a temporary custodian more for his CLEAN image than his capability as a leader,if you recall.
Hope he don’t step down so fast,or DPM would seize control. and obliterate all criminal evidence.
I think other than Badawi, non are fit,so we hope Annuar will take over soon.
#67 by limkamput on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:56 am
undergrad2, the smartest,
When did i ever use BM to show I am good although i have no doubt in mind at all i am much better than you in that regard. I only use BM when the original post was in BM or when i am writing in response to someone who wrote in BM. This is to ensure that the person understood me correctly. Oh, yes, I also used BM when you tried to translate a text from BM to English (on Pulau Pisang, remember?). The translation on the whole was good but you have left out one or two vital points. I only tried to help by pointing out the lines you missed out and now you are creating an issue out of nothing.
One more thing, don’t try to influence Jong to your side. I don’t think you are going to achieve anything. She is always fair and nice to almost everybody here except one or two like Kickbutt@???. Don’t behave like a whimper. Show that you are man enough (tunjukkan yang kamu seorang laki-laki).
#68 by limkamput on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 1:06 am
Since when the malaise we face today in Malaysia is just a leadership issue? Please don’t talk about whether Naji* will make a difference when he takes over. I am not even sure now Malaysia will be any difference when PK takes over. Think deep undergrad2, what else do we need to bring about change for the better!
#69 by kitkat46 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 1:24 am
Come on Mr. Lim Kam Put, you cannot be stooping that low! This blog is meant for serious discussions.
#70 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 1:33 am
Good! Now we know that you have no intention to repudiate the fact that you served the corrupt BN government for two decades or more and have been ‘honored’ with a title PPN, a ‘fairly respectable one’ by the Agong for long service. At least we now know where you stand! That’s how and where you first became so conversant in bahasa?? I don’t think so.
#71 by Richardqed on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 1:59 am
PM may not be a genius. He did not even claim to be one. But I feel that he is a decent. honest guy . He accepted defeat for example in Selangor. Never once he threaten to topple the MB of Selangor. Yet his opponent, Anwar , crying out loud to the whole world that he intended to topple PM. Imagine the fear, instability should PM tell that by Sept 16, Selangor will have a new MB.
— shamshul anuar
How can AAB not accept defeat in Selangor when he has lost despite having the advantage of postal votes and other hidden tricks? It’s the last face-saving act that anyone would think of. In all his interviews with international news agencies, he has shown that he’s not just “not a genius”, but in fact a big-time joker as well.
And what is wrong with Anwar wanting to topple a joker who is also a compulsive liar who says one thing but does the opposite the next day? It is clear that, if not for postal votes and phantom voters, BN would have lost the election fully.
If AAB says he wanted to topple the MB, go ahead. He’s free to do it, if he can. But to say there will be so-called fear and instability is an exaggeration.
Malaysians will remember AAB in the moment that he faced the press after the election humiliation. His famous words: “Kalah .. kalah …la..”
#72 by ipohites on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 2:54 am
Another 2 years for the Citizens of Malaysia to suffer, and also handover to Najib…wat a big “joke”! Can we have someone else besides these joker? God bless Malaysia…
#73 by Puppy-Power on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 3:07 am
undergrad2 – if u can’t fight a verbal battle properly – do not resort to personal attacks at someone’s years of service in government. It’s awfully shallow of you, ain’t it? I have served in government as well. I guess that puts me in the same league as limkamput? Frankly, I think you talk too much for your own good. I guess that’s just what u are – a talker or knows how to write a bit of good english. SOrry ah – my England not so Powderful
#74 by trublumsian on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 3:37 am
kopi kau kau and RealWorld,
The rakyat voted for AAB despite proof of unprecedented erosion of support because the country has never been on the OTHER side. (Besides, they voted for BN, AAB was just riding along). 50 years of entrenching in the BN mode is a tough nut to crack for the reformers. The Bumis cannot comprehend what it’s like on the other side, and unjustifiably fear the alternatives. BN voters fall into 2 categories in general: 1. those whose existence depend on BN, and 2. those whose subsistence depend on BN. To elaborate:
1. Majority of the Malays can only exist with BN’s help. They were born and internalized with this mentality, they make it a self-fulfilling prophecy, and they were equipped with NO way out of it.
2. Those whose subsistence depend on BN are the ones running the country, politically and economically. Yes, the Chinese and Indians work hard for their own betterment, and there are the ones working with the rich Malays to game the system. I got your back, you got mine.
With these 2 groups of BN voters, you betcha BN will remain in power and AAB/NR the default PMs.
#75 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 4:03 am
“…do not resort to personal attacks at someone’s years of service in government. It’s awfully shallow of you, ain’t it? I have served in government as well..” Puppy
Don’t mind if I call you puppy for short, do you?
I don’t “resort to personal attacks”! I don’t feel the need to. I’m just toying with someone hoping he’ll come out of the closet and admit who he is – one who has issues with his skin color and a huge ego which translates to distraction for me and many readers here. He has been bashing posters ever since he made his debut on this blog. I guess it is my turn.
My English has never been good nor is my bahasa. I gave this guy a compliment about his use and control of bahasa in all honesty and what did he say? Scroll up!
He cannot stand to see me write one piece on this blog without his “usual commentary” about how stupid I am and how smart he is – and how stupid some others are. What piece has this product of the NEP written on this thread except to respond to mine? I gave my response to Kathy who thought the PM should “remove all military power” from the DPM. I wrote it is not possible for anybody to remove from somebody something he never had. Kathy never responded but this limkamput-nincompoop guy got agitated instead…lol.
I don’t understand.
#76 by trublumsian on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 4:11 am
shamshul anuar,
most here aren’t disputing the fact that BN won democratically and AAB as UMNO’s head therefore inherited the PM post. disregarding reports of dirty handedness by BN, sane people like us still believe in the process, otherwise we’d relegate ourselves to the likes of chechnya, timor, and zimbabwe. we are still calling and treating AAB our PM, aren’t we? we just don’t like the sound of it..
anyways, you say you feel AAB is a decent and honest guy, did u just “feel” in vacuum?? have you seen the boatloads of mismanagement of money, mega projects, infrastructure, education policies, judicial cases, on and on and on in this country in the last 5 years? do you not know since AAB took office, our country is at a free fall in international rankings pertaining to transparency/corruption, competitiveness, scholastic scores, university rankings, happiness index, so on and on? do you know in soccer we rank 166, making us 39 rungs LOWER than singapore?? weren’t the matrons and patrons of BAM, FAM, and the likes appointed with criteria OTHER THAN their knowledge and excellence in the respective sports? all the heartbreak facts about this administration has been discussed countless times here so i’m not going to. but please “feel” for the country with an open mind. do not STOOP (that’s the correct word, shamshul) to the level of underachievers and low expectations when you “feel”.
#77 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 4:19 am
Sorry about the government bit, Puppy. Didn’t think anybody would be reading except this limkamput-nincompoop guy.
#78 by trublumsian on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 5:49 am
COP vs. COP
[this is news from the Star. if this speaks for even 1% of the police in the country, we’re in deep s—]
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/11/nation/21793315&sec=nation
GEMAS: A policeman has lodged a report against all his colleagues including his superiors allegedly over dissatisfaction on how the monthly bribes from those operating illegal activities was being distributed.
In retaliation, one of his superiors, a sergeant, lodged another police report against the policeman, a lance corporal, for allegedly selling station property to scrap dealers.
A source said the lance corporal, in his 40s, was dissatisfied with his superiors for allegedly taking the lion’s share of the bribes while the rank and file received very little.
“In fact, the complainant claimed that he did not get a sen,” the source said.
The report was lodged earlier this week.
The sergeant, in an apparent tit-for-tat, lodged another report against the lance corporal alleging that he had sold some old wooden and iron furniture from the police station to a dealer.
“His colleagues even know where the dealer is operating from,” the source said.
State police chief Datuk Osman Salleh confirmed that a report has been lodged.
“We are investigating the claims made by the lance corporal. We do not want to make conclusions straightaway as the allegations are serious,” he said.
He said all the policemen were still on duty and have not been asked to go on leave.
He said action would be taken against his men if the claims were true.
It is understood that the Anti-Corruption Agency has also started a probe.
#79 by monsterball on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 6:35 am
The extra two years are putting the final touches of the five years he had….trying to keep his promise to be the People’s PM.
Anyone will be slow at a new job. Be reasonable!
But UMNO is finished…no matter what Dollah is trying hard to do.
I think he knows that too…but is trying his best to correct all the wrongs…before he retires….and he can walk proudly…..with no guilty conscience.
Just look at the timing and recent ACA complete power….just after the announcement of his retirement.
Do you think..a stupid man can do all these things properly?
#80 by yhsiew on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:26 am
The followings, which were taken from Bernama, are useful for our ruling/opposition party leaders’ reference.
Singapore has become successful and earned the respect of the world community today because it has been governed by able leaders who have high integrity and are not corrupted, former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said Friday night.
He said Singapore progressed well until today because it had been managed by dedicated leaders who had a high sense of honour and level of integrity, honesty and competency and were not corrupted.
Lee also said that the country was different from others as it had no room for making mistakes.
#81 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:07 am
trublumsian,
That was a good one. I’m sending this to Jay Leno, the late night show!
#82 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:19 am
“Since when the malaise we face today in Malaysia is just a leadership issue? Please don’t talk about whether Naji* will make a difference when he takes over.” llmkamput-nincompoop.
Why are you having an argument with yourself…lol?
First you make a statement wrongly attributing it to a poster who never posted anything like it, then you condemn him for his stupidity. Is that the only way for you to get to the top of the heap??
The issue is should Abdullah Badawi as PM and president of his party get to appoint the next PM. Nobody is saying anything about he who is the anointed successor making a difference to anything…lol
#83 by digard on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:21 am
I am curious to see how gullible we will be this time. Badawi repeats his earlier tricks on us. Then it was Eric Chia and that deputy minister from East-Malaysia; the trial was allowed to drag on, evidence was allowed to vaporise. Finally, after years, they ended as no-cases. But we were impressed, hoping for Mr. Clean to clean up the country. When the misguided dentist raped the countryside, he said that not everything was okay, but that was it. When Zakaria built his mansion on embezzled ground, he kept quiet.
Most of all: We have yet to see the 18 sharks to be nabbed. In the developed world, at any press conference, the journalists would start Q&A by asking about the latter. Here, they would probably roughed up, dismissed by their editors, or likewise.
I am curious to see how gullible we will be this time. ‘Malays forget easily’. All Malaysians are a very forgiving lot. On March 8th, we found the courage to say ‘stop raping us!’. I am curious to see if and how long we will remember our own decision, or how easily we will be taken in for another ride. Same Sandiwara, different actors. Then it was Eric Chua, now it is the DG of a government agency. Is it a coincidence that it happened on the same day when IGP and AG ought to have been detained. Badawi cannot want that, he needs them to stay in power. Do we allow a repetition of the earlier play? Will we be taken in another time?
#84 by mendela on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:30 am
In the last 10 years, what did the UMOputra Gomen do to attract foreigh direct investment (FDI)?
What is its strategies?
There were many trade missions organised by MITI to third world South American and African countries, but what can these countries provide Malaysia in terms of FDI?
Do UMOputras know the importance of USA, Japan and EU countries in terms of FDI contributions?
Middle East could be very rich now with the oil money and the UMO Gomen is trying hard to bring these money into Malaysia. Their money are hot money, these money can come and go within seconds. These money won’t create jobs!
Good FDI create jobs, earn Malaysia foreign currency, upgrade our people knowhow, increase our competitiveness, make lifes better for our people. Hot money will bring disasters to our economy. It will be the first to leave Malaysia if they hear some uncertainty ahead.
#85 by mendela on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:35 am
undergrad2,
Pls send it to all world media too. CNN, BBC, Reuters, AP, NHK, KBS, CBC, ABC, etc.
The world MUST know how great our police force is.
#86 by trublumsian on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 8:53 am
yeah, jay leno hates stupid cops. god knows we hate them too for being corrupt while being stupid at it. so aca is investigating, i bet they’ll play a round of mahjong n walk. or aca does a splendid job getting the half wits to spill, only for them to rat all the police in the country, in which case they’ll still walk. no case.
#87 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:08 am
mendela Says:
Today at 08: 35.25 (29 minutes ago)
undergrad2,
Pls send it to all world media too. CNN, BBC, Reuters, AP, NHK, KBS, CBC, ABC, etc.”
Not to worry! Now circulating to all channels including FOX, CNN, CBS etc. ABC?? I thought that was the name of my favorite ice kacang??
#88 by limkamput on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:19 am
undergrad2, the fact that you responded is an indication that I am not talking to myself. Whatever I wrote did attract lots of attention from you and probably others.
Why only now we are talking about NO 1 appointing the successor? Didn’t this “third world” practice was with us and on-going for years now even way before Mahathir’s time? Didn’t this stupid practice was adopted by MCA, MIC and Gerakan as well?
Undergrad2, didn’t I asked you to think deep why all these are happening in our country? We are never holistic in our debate here. We are always piecemeal.
Today, even if NO.1 has no power to appoint NO.2 to be NO1, would it make a difference? Would the grassroots make their own mind? In fact do the grassroots have a mind of their own? Are they not just a group of warlords behaving like whores ever ready to sell to the higher bidder?
Then the next question you may want to ask is why less than 3000 umno delegates, many of them whores, get to decide on the leadership and destiny of this country?
It is way to complex for us to discern why the country is in the quagmire, be it politically, economically and culturally? I ask that if only we think a bit deeper, issues would become not as obvious as each of us think. Many of us here make fleeting views and assumptions about things happening. First used by Alexander Pope, “A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.”
#89 by atlk on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:19 am
imho, pak lah had already fulfilled his promise of a reform in malaysia. we are now seeing a new type of politics in malaysia..it’s called family, cronies & politics.
#90 by mendela on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:24 am
I meant Aussie, not ice kachang.
#91 by hope for futre on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:27 am
1st PM should sack the current AG, IGP and ACA chief.
Others also in Immigration, Customs, etc.
And put suitable people in their stead.
Reform under these current chiefs is useless, they are tainted and stay blemished.
#92 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:32 am
limkamput-nincompoop,
Take a break!!!
#93 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 9:55 am
“Then the next question you may want to ask is why less than 3000 umno delegates..” limkamput-nincompoop
I must admit I know nothing about UMNO, its internal party procedures, its party constitution, how many delegates and how many divisions etc beyond what is written in the mainstream media. You’re better equipped to answer those questions.
I’m not a party animal. Not this kind of party anyway!
#94 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:00 am
mendela Says:
Today at 09: 24.29 (31 minutes ago)
I meant Aussie, not ice kachang.”
Over here too, we have ABC channel. Short for ‘American Broadcasting Company’ owned by Walt Disney with its office in Manhattan, NYC.
#95 by grace on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:15 am
ysiew,
You are right. Singapore has to scout for talents to fiil the cabinet. But ours are filled with rubbish. How to compare diamond with charcoal la?
Lee Kuan also said that their leaders think of the nation’s interest amd sideline own interest.
Our leaders think of how much his children, in laws , siblings or cronies can benefit from projects and do not care whether the projects work or not!!! Ha!Ha!
#96 by trublumsian on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:43 am
singapore pay big bucks to attract and retain cabinet talent. they compete with a vibrant and well-oiled economic engine. they’re also competing against their own world-renowned institutions in education, health care, and r&d for talent. folks go into politics because they WANT to serve the country, often spurning bigger paychecks from the private sector.
#97 by blablowbla on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:53 am
our local authorities spent million of dollars to go’lawatan sambil belajar’ to south africa,australia,germany,japan,usa,england,blablabla…come back and say:still singapore is the best!!!
#98 by Godfather on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:12 am
We don’t care if there is a leadership change in the den of thieves. We care if the den of thieves want to continue stealing. If the stealing gets out of hand, then we want to kick out the whole den of thieves, not just one thief.
#99 by stjames on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:31 pm
Prob need the time to complete his “personal projects” or a ploy to divert attention for two years, focus on doing the right thing and “u-turn” in 2010; “rakyat dont want me to retire”.
BTW, CAN SOMEONE SHUT THIS GUY UP, read this link:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/86003
#100 by taiking on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:42 pm
Grace said not to compare diamond with charcoal. But diamond is charcoal. And therefore, charcoal is diamond. Inspect closely. You will see that they are the same. In fact you might even come to appreciate charcoal.
Itu dia. That is why UMNO kept on recycling what others consider is rubbish. Only they know. Those are not rubbish. Really. Not rubbish. Believe UMNO. Cant go wrong.
Want to see rubbish? Look under the carpet. But of course, ingatkan OSA dan ISA. Benar. Its true. Everything else not under the carpet is diamond. Not rubbish. Get it? Faham tak?
Alamak! Mau saya ulangkan sekali lagi?
#101 by stjames on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 12:44 pm
Anybody out there know how to register on MTsite?
#102 by AhPek on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:08 pm
Just because Badawi accepted defeat in Selangor is enough for Shamsul Anuar to feel that the PM is a decent chap. Not behaving like Mugabe doesn’t qualify one as decent .To be decent a lot more is expected of the man, Shamsul!!
John Howard was defeated and he rode into the sunset just like John Wayne in one of his shows without any fuss. What do you say to that?
#103 by AhPek on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:10 pm
To go on to space on account of taxpayer’s money I am sure you would say it’s great achievement as well. Is that right Shamsul?
#104 by Rocky on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:17 pm
khairy said there is a systematic history in UMNO to change leadership. to that I say, small boy go and read your history of UMNO better. You make Oxford malu la.You think we stupid ka? I went to local U la and even I know that there is no history of a systematic transition of UMNO president. How did Tunku resign? How did Tun Hussein resign? How did Mahatir resign? so don’t talk cock la. There is only 5 PMs thus far and you talk nonsense.
as for Najib, you are useless leader for letting Pak lah stay on for 2 more years. maybe you have skeletons..but still you are not a leader who takes charge. you are a hen pecked politician and clearly shows.
Pak lah what can you do in 2 years that you have not done in 5 years. more so when you are a lame duck PM in the next 2 years.
you UMNO are only concern about yourselves and not the nation.
#105 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:51 pm
limkamput Says:
Today at 09: 19.12 (10 hours ago)
“undergrad2, the fact that you responded is an indication that I am not talking to myself. Whatever I wrote did attract lots of attention from you and probably others.”
I didn’t say you were talking to yourself. I said you were having an “argument with yourself”. Please scroll up.
When a person says he is a dog lover. He likes in particular the Chihuahua, the smallest breed of dog in the world. (As a matter of fact I have one at home. They are just cute little dogs to look at).
In response you say the smallest dogs are not the most popular. You then provide the reasons why you think he is wrong about the facts i.e. the smallest breed of dogs being the most popular.
That would be my crude explanation and example of ‘arguing with yourself’. ‘Talking to yourself’ is something else. ‘Talking to yourself’ could be because you’re on Prozac – and that is something very different, taking us into a whole new dimension! Now don’t come after me alleging this time that I said you were on Prozac. That would be an example of another ‘argument with yourself’!
Where is this Cambridge Lee whose forte is his theory/inductive logic, scientific realism, explanation and theories of justification and knowledge. He does a better job at logical reasoning than anybody here put together.
Lee, where are you?
#106 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 7:54 pm
AhPek Says:
Today at 19: 08.10 (43 minutes ago)
Just because Badawi accepted defeat in Selangor is enough for Shamsul Anuar to feel that the PM is a decent chap.”
Shamshul is apparently an UMNO apologist. Take that away from him and he’ll be without a job! What could be more dangerous than an UMNO Youth member without a job??
#107 by RealWorld on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:12 pm
“RealWorld – can we have some transparency from your bosses ? The vast majority think that Badawi can’t deliver, but can we make sure there’s no more stealing ?
Stealing is a hard habit to break, but break it we must+ – Godfather
—————————————————-
Hey Godfather,
The rakyat have decided. BN is the government. Not happy? Come back in 5 years. In the meantime, can we have some transparency as well especially in Selangor too?
#108 by mendela on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 10:19 pm
stjames,
You mean to visit MT?
I think the best probably is to Google search for “Malaysia Today” and lock in from search result.
#109 by katdog on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:01 pm
The rakyat have decided. BN is the government. Not happy? Come back in 5 years. In the meantime, can we have some transparency as well especially in Selangor too? – RealWorld
Thats strange. You make it sound like Selangor is the only state in need of transparency? How about Sabah, Sarawak, Melaka etc.? They’re perfectly fine the way they are?
#110 by lchk on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:30 pm
Realworld wrote:
“The rakyat have decided. BN is the government. Not happy? Come back in 5 years. In the meantime, can we have some transparency as well especially in Selangor too?”
Democracy is not just casting your vote every 5 years.
Only UMNO idiots believe that is democracy.
#111 by katdog on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:33 pm
I am amazed there are still some people that still believe Badawi is a ‘decent’ and ‘honest’ person.
It would be forgivable iback in 2004 to say he was a decent and honest person, but after how he mismanaged the country and his many broken promises, you still believe his lies?
I do not refute the fact that there has been certain ‘benefits’ from his rule compared to Dr. M, but i wouldn’t go so far as to say that that makes him a decent leader.
#112 by RealWorld on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:33 pm
“Democracy is not just casting your vote every 5 years.
Only UMNO idiots believe that is democracy.” – lchk
Democracy is not about holding some rock concert and raining bottles on stage either.
Only moaners think that is democracy.
#113 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:51 pm
True. But being able to hold a rock concert, and bending over to show one’s cheap multi-colored boxer shorts as a form of protest (though I do not profess to know what the guy was protesting about) to send a message is about free speech – and free speech is what democracy is all about. I suppose we’re not ready for ‘show your boxer shorts’ form of democracy.
#114 by undergrad2 on Saturday, 12 July 2008 - 11:52 pm
…ooops should be boxers without the shorts
#115 by limkamput on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 12:16 am
undergrad2, you are just a good for nothing hypocrite who wants to enjoy the best of both world, who is the master in talking senseless cock and who thinks is the smartest in this blog. Now, please don’t accuse me of labelling you all these things. I am merely stating facts. If you want to argue about these, then you will be arguing with yourself.
#116 by lopez on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 7:54 am
How can a leader be given credit of being capable, when he uses most of tax payers monies on what certain type of people wanted to what a nation needs.
How can you say a person to be capable when he cant tell the difference between the what a nation wants and what a nation needs.
How can a leader have good economic acumen when all over the nation you advocate making dooms and not enough good librairies and good hospitals and steady strong schooling system of thecontempoary world.
How can a good leader be sensitive to the multi racial nation when he does not bother to know that these are found in certain places of the towns and cities.
How does a leader pretend to be good when certain spectrum of the nation have to bear hardship and wears out all their tong san monies since 70’s for some toddlers .
It is never ending….ypu fellas know lah.
before he runs out his tenure, he sure wants to be remembered as some pm who has done good and not remember as otherwise like one who is a cry baby…and karma gave his offspring a big and loose mouth.
The other one left an offspring with extra itchy gun and horny eyes.
lets see what karma has in store for this one.
#117 by Bigjoe on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 9:12 am
I don’t buy the line ‘need time to complete projects’. This was a deal between the top two to guarantee that UMNO GA would not be a total embarassment. Otherwise even if Badawi hold on to power, it would have been an embarassment and disaster AND resignation would not be optional.
Our political system despite all the drama is one of the most uncompetitive system in the world. Its the key weakness of our long term uncompetitiveness.
Malaysian have to face the fact we have some of the most stupid people running this country and they get away with it. It says a lot for the strength of this country we can tolerate them for so long and still. But we pay for that stupidity everyday and those least deserving pays more than those more deserving.
#118 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 11:01 am
RealWorld, Kasim Amat, Shamshul Anuar, all you UMNOputras who are in support of the Sleepy Head:
Do you know what Islam Hadhari is all about ?
For the next 2 years, it’s about Ada Had Ada Hari.
CEMERLANG, GEMILANG, TEMBERANG !
#119 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 11:50 am
When Badawi says he needs 2 more years to “complete (his) projects”, the message to UMNO is unmistakable – support me or else you will not have a whiff of contracts I am about to dish out.
So UMNOputras like RealWorld are now licking their chops, expecting some goodies to come their way. That’s the only reason why they are vociferous in their support of the Sleepy Head.
Not so easy, RealWorld. We are watching.
#120 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 11:52 am
We are watching the den of thieves. We are watching your leader…
#121 by citizenwatch on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 12:34 pm
(RealWorld Says:
July 11th, 2008 (2 days ago) at 15: 06.00
Please be reminded Pak Lah is the rakyat’s choice.)
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Did the rakyat really r have the choice through a clean and fair election?
#122 by citizenwatch on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 12:42 pm
Two years. A blogger reported about two months ago that about two years are required for Perennial Sleepwalker to bring back about two billion ringgit cash from a neighboring contry.
#123 by citizenwatch on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 12:53 pm
RealWorld, you must be a masochist to keep coming back here. It makes me think that you are here just for the fun of it, disagreeing and being controversial. I won’t be surprised if you are either a 14 year old non-entity in school or a frustrated and desperate housewife. Or trying to emulate the Oxbridge pseudo-intellectual primate of a philistine.
#124 by RealWorld on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 1:39 pm
“So UMNOputras like RealWorld are now licking their chops, expecting some goodies to come their way. That’s the only reason why they are vociferous in their support of the Sleepy Head.
Not so easy, RealWorld. We are watching.” – Godfather
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Good then! As you have said so earlier, you likened yourself to a bulldog. So, be a good doggy can stand guard.
I just hope your are house broken thats all.
#125 by RealWorld on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 1:42 pm
“We are watching the den of thieves. We are watching your leader…” – Godfather
While you are watching BN, your PR aide to the Selangor MB already put his hand into the cookie jar. :)
#126 by RealWorld on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 1:45 pm
“Did the rakyat really r have the choice through a clean and fair election?” – citizenwatch
The GE not clean and fair??? Any proof that it was not clean?
… and talking about fair and all, I dont see you lot being fair to that rock singer either. Raining bottles on him and acting like thugs.
#127 by RealWorld on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 1:52 pm
“RealWorld, you must be a masochist to keep coming back here. It makes me think that you are here just for the fun of it, disagreeing and being controversial. I won’t be surprised if you are either a 14 year old non-entity in school or a frustrated and desperate housewife. Or trying to emulate the Oxbridge pseudo-intellectual primate of a philistine.” = citizenwatch
Frustrated and desperate housewife???! You have a problem with that profession or women in general?? Being a housewife is not an easy task, so for you to make general lowly comments about housewives and all shows that you have very little respect for women. You associate in general a housewife to being desperate and frustrated. This just tell me what a gimp you are.
I am not surprised you grow up not knowing who is your real mother thus your general low perception of mothers being full time housewives.
#128 by ktteokt on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 2:30 pm
Change the name of Bangunan Parlimen into “Bangunan Mi Magee” – instant, ready in 3 minutes!!!!! Why need 24 months?
#129 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 4:23 pm
RealWorld: Your boss said that Barang Naik coalition could win big in the next GE, just like 2004. Are you taking some of the hallucinatory drugs that your boss is taking ?
UMNOputras being issued APs, a Rembau company with no track record winning a large construction contract, projects in certain states “postponed indefinitely”….luckily the literacy rate has gone up, otherwise we’d all be forgiven for not knowing the truth.
Like I said, you should have some of what your boss is taking. Stop parrotting the same comments for the past few years.
#130 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 4:26 pm
RealWorld:
You sure UMNO got enough money to give out as goodies to you guys ? You sure there’s enough money to give in the form of green packets and sewing machines ? How to win big at the rate UMNO is going ?
#131 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 5:09 pm
“We are not in the business of cheating the people.” AAB, 2005
#132 by citizenwatch on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 6:26 pm
Now I see the pattern of your thinking. Simplistic and for expediency. From the time you started to touch on the rocker episode in a larger picture of democracy and housewife in the sub-context of frustrated and desperate. I expected you faking the crusade for housewives. A housewife per se is a wonderfully honourable human being being mother and wife but becomes a chore when she’s frustrated and desperate and start to engage the world and write comments under the name RealWorld. And what’s wrong being a desperate housewife? If you have the sense of humour you will enjoy the wildly popular series, “Desperate Housewives”. After you do the laundry, switch on the TV and enjoy. But now it’s obvious in the way you think which is typical vernacular old school, debate everything, thinking in a vacuum without the context. You are truly bereft of any worthiness to engage with.
#133 by citizenwatch on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 7:10 pm
(trublumsian Says:
Yesterday at 05: 49.32
COP vs. COP
[this is news from the Star. if this speaks for even 1% of the police in the country, we’re in deep s—]
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/7/11/nation/21793315&sec=nation
GEMAS: A policeman has lodged a report against all his colleagues including his superiors allegedly over dissatisfaction on how the monthly bribes from those operating illegal activities was being distributed.
In retaliation, one of his superiors, a sergeant, lodged another police report against the policeman, a lance corporal, for allegedly selling station property to scrap dealers.
A source said the lance corporal, in his 40s, was dissatisfied with his superiors for allegedly taking the lion’s share of the bribes while the rank and file received very little.)
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This episode is a microcosm BN/UMNO happening now and the near future. “I want my share”. “Where’s my share? And you got a bigger one”. etc.
#134 by dapbestrong on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 7:56 pm
from the star, Sunday July 13, 2008
I’m used to making history that leaders before me had not achieved.
“The 2004 general election was the best but the 2008 result was the worst which no leader before me had achieved,” -abdullah badawi.
ohh god.. pls just change this man. he still live in his own dream.
#135 by lchk on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 9:03 pm
What the heck is this Realworld umnoputra trotting about housewives?
Talk about respecting women and housewives, look at what one of his UMNO masters babbled about bloggers being unemployed women – go and tell him off first lah before you lecture about respecting women and housewives here.
#136 by Loh on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 9:28 pm
PM AAB said that since the day he heard TDM lamented that he was not able to change the mindset of Malays, (to what used to be Malay mindset until TDM brainwashed them to what it is today,) AAB promised himself that should he be destined to be PM, he would do what TDM could not, to change the mindset of Malays.
In 2006 TDM criticised AAB for not doing enough for Malays. It would appear that TDM did not want AAB to work towards changing the mindset of Malays to pre-1969 days. So, TDM were not sincere in working towards changing the mindset of Malays. TDM shed crocodile tears in saying that he was not able to change Malay mindset when government policies served his convenience to remain in power. If the late Tun Ismail was correct in saying that out of pride, Malays would themselves drop article 153 to be considered equal citizens with all other races in the country, it would appear that the pride of Malay race meant little to TDM.
AAB said that he wanted to work towards changing the mindset of Malays when he became the PM. Unfortunately, not only did he not work towards that, he allowed his son-in-law to be the first to hurt the feelings of non-Malays as Malay champion. The subsequent competition among Malay political opportunists to outsmart each other as Malay champions was the single most important cause of defeat by all the non-Malay BN parties. Had TDM remained in power in 2004, he would have suffered worse defeat in cheating the Suqiu group.
AAB announced that he will leave the post of PM in June 2010. Is the DPM a better person to serve as PM for Malaysia? For that matter is there any UMNO leaders who would make a better PM than AAB? There appears none. Anwar should therefore take over soon, before June 2010.
#137 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:01 pm
“… and talking about fair and all, I dont see you lot being fair to that rock singer either. Raining bottles on him and acting like thugs.” Real World
I’ll have to agree with the writer on this one!
Are Malaysians ready for free speech? Pulling down one’s pants to show one’s boxers is about free speech. The fact that it has apparently touched some raw nerves should not distract us from the issue. Having said that throwing bottles is also a form of free speech. But there is also such a thing as the rule of law and if you break the law you must be prepared to face the consequences.
Has the rock singer who rocked himself to ‘infamy’ broken any law??
#138 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:07 pm
Rest assured that RealWorld the UMNOputra is reading all our posts. He needs to regroup at the Kelana Jaya house of Mike Tyson to figure out the next line of attack.
#139 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:14 pm
“While you are watching BN, your PR aide to the Selangor MB already put his hand into the cookie jar.” Real World
Speaking of cookie jar, there is a shop near where I live called “The Cookie Jar”. I am checking to find if it is Malaysian owned and if so whether it is owned by BN members or their cronies.
‘Putting one’s hand into the cookie jar’ is an international art form developed and fine tuned over the years by those in positions of power. Nowhere is it more blatantly practiced than in Malaysia.
#140 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:18 pm
Godfather,
Since PK won over five states, it no longer needs my help and so I’m declaring myself an Independent. I am with the people.
#141 by undergrad2 on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:36 pm
I’m with Pakatan if their leaders are right on the issues! Not otherwise.
#142 by Godfather on Sunday, 13 July 2008 - 10:54 pm
It’s fine to be with the people. The people want change, and change is when the corrupt BN led by the den of thieves known as UMNO is booted out of power.
#143 by AhPek on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 12:34 am
‘Putting one’s hand into the cookie jar’ is an international art form developed and fine tuned over the years by those in positions of power.Nowhere is it more blatantly practised than in Malaysia. undergrad2.
And if I may add further to your comment, it is also more shamelessly carried out as well!!
#144 by AhPek on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 12:56 am
But then again undergrad2, RealWorld might come around to remind you that Malaysia is still a young country and given enough time she is sure to arrive to the same refined level as the rest in the art of stealing! That is to say give her another 50 years of blatant and shameless thieving, her techniques will be developed and fine tuned just as you say of those in positions of power elsewhere.
#145 by undergrad2 on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 1:01 am
The problem arises when there is no more cookie in the cookie jar! What is the hand going to do?
#146 by Godfather on Monday, 14 July 2008 - 9:52 am
You mean “what are the hands going to do ?”. Grab each other by the b@lls….and sing “We are the champions”.
#147 by MMLEELC on Tuesday, 15 July 2008 - 1:02 pm
There is a saying “to build Rome is does not take Days” and to carry out reforms in 24 Months it is not a feasible Plan.
Talking is alright anyone can talks but the execution and Carrying out of reforms many people needs to be involved .
Our PM is having a real “Hard Time” let us see what he has for Us.