It is unfortunate that RPK seems to have surrounded himself with lawyers who do not have his best interest at heart. Either that or his reckless disregard for the law has put him in the present predicament.

9to5,

I feel RPK is more useful out of Kamunting than in it which is why I feel he should tread carefully. His courage is admirable. Let’s hope it is just intimidation and he’ll not have to spend time.

His connection with the palace should save him. It didn’t save him the last time. But that happened under different circumstances.

Of course, one shouldn’t expect limkamput to see the difference. As for this Richard Teo, I can understand why he wants to spin! He is still reeling from the spanking he got when he wrote about the Regent of Perak.

It takes courage to know you could be hauled in for continuing to infringe the country’s sedition law because of your writing on your blog. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was your reckless disregard for the law that got you.

Kit here surely understands. Until the Sedition Act is repealed we are all subject to it – which is why he deletes comments which fall foul of the Sedition Act, not that he agrees with it.

What good will Kit be, and what good will LGE be if they have to spend time incarcerated for infringing the country’s sedition law. We do not need martyrs as much as we need leaders.

“The prosecutor can charge, but it is up to the court to hear and make the final decision.” Limkamput

Look who’s talking?? The only one on this blog who goes on and on about the law not being fair, about judges who are corrupt and lawyers who are no more than scumbags! What makes you think that the judge would come down on his side this time?

Has the judiciary changed so much since March that you have taken a 180 degree turn?? Or is it the Prozac?

I think it is nothing more than intimidation so that RPK could pause to ponder about his family without him.

“Look, just say sorry and move on. You have no right to be so rude to RPK. You said many things: (i) there are enough grounds to charge RPK under sedition, (ii) he will be found guilty as charged.” limkamput

Somebody is ranting again! I never said he would be found guilty – certainly not when he was not even charged for anything.

Those comments were made on another thread in the context of the discussion of whether there was basis for a sedition charge since what was obvious was that RPK made comments sub judice when he wrote about the Altantuya murder case – a matter involving contempt of court and nothing seditious. I thought so initially. My opinion when reading the entire article later, however, was that there was enough material in that article to support a charge for sedition. Whether he would be found guilty or not is another matter which would be decided by the courts applying the high criminal standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Readers would appreciate that that is different from saying that I want RPK to be charged for sedition!

Of course, you can depend on limkamput who clearly is on Prozac or some other psychotropic drugs not to see the difference. Godfather and I have been advising him many times not to self-medicate and see his doctor but he won’t listen!

“The lost of RPK may be a transient event, yet has long term impact on the nation, or as undergrad2 would want to believe, RPK’s action is just foolish and no positives can be taken from RPK’s actions” archtanck

What I said was that RPK appears to have surrounded himself with lawyers who do not seem to have his best interest at heart. That or he has been reckless about his personal safety or the welfare of his family – meaning his lawyers did advise him but he decided to ignore their advice.

It is better for him, in my opinion, to walk the fine line and not go beyond. What use is RPK to his supporters if he is detained in Kamunting? What use is Kit if he has to serve time the way he was made to on more than one occasion? We need leaders to lead more than we need martyrs.

“To fight this case …will take 5 years at least, having regard to the complexities of the issues by which time Pakatan Rakyat might have by then formed the government….” Jeffrey QC

Interesting observation!

Your question is whether you could hold someone liable if the crime is committed out of the country’s jurisdiction? The short answer to that is “No”.

To: Jeffrey QC

Has the government ever lost a sedition case??

It is time to bring back the jury and let the jurors determine what is seditious and what is not.

I must congratulate RPK for his humor!

He wrote from a cyber cafe thus –

“The bottom line is, either they get off my back or they throw me in jail and throw away the key. I could not be bothered one bit what it is going to be. I am prepared for the worst. My objective is plain and simple. Altantuya’s murderers are going to be sent to hell. And I don’t mind going to hell myself to see this happen.

Good night, Bukit Aman, wherever you are.”

taiking,

They are probably looking at his comments on the Altantuya murder trial within the context of Sec. 3 (1) (c) of the Act.

RPK is planning a “Save RPK Campaign” which will include the raising of funds to enable him to meet bail and legal expenses.

Readers here should be able to contribute Rm2.00 per person to an a/c to be designated. More details expected later.

Bail hearing, pre-trial conferencing and motions, setting down for trial etc the preliminary hearing all of which will take us to next year! In the meantime they may drop the charges though it is not likely. Who knows?

“His act of electing to remain in custody, when posting bail of RM5,000 is not a problem, baffles me in a disconcerting way. I don’t know why he is doing this and what great point he is trying to prove. To me it makes no sense.” Jeffrey Qc

Which is why I mentioned earlier that I felt he has a reckless disregard for the law, for his personal safety and the welfare of that of his family.

He must have been well advised by friends and family members not to step over the edge. His other so-called friends and lawyers (who are prepared to work pro bono in return for the free publicity they get) in egging him on do so for reasons better known to themselves.

But even his critiques cannot but admit that his courage in the face of an enemy determined to make an example out of him, is perhaps equal to if not surpassed only by those of Kit, Guan Eng and Karpal Singh and the others following in their footsteps, all of whom bore the wounds of their confrontation with their enemy.

It is obvious that in refusing to pay bail, RPK has inflicted a wound on himself. A self-inflicted wound to his critiques is not the best way to start a fight. To them he only made it difficult for those left to pick up the baton he dropped to carry on the race – or did he? Or is this too soon a conclusion to make? Does he know something we do not know?

“I reread the article “Let’s sent Altantunya murderer to Hell.” RPK’s article is a regurgitation of MSM report. Tell one instant where it was the product of his imagination? ” oknyua

I believe RPK knew it was seditious but he couldn’t care less! Those paragraphs are now spelt out in the charge sheet.

We should pause to pray not only for RPK and his family but also to the families of those who lost their lives due to the cyclone in Myanmar.

Ah! A budding lawyer yourself!

“I also take this opportunity to thank Madame moderator for her speedy comments of mine under detention without trail. Sudah minum ma’am?” handsome

Hello hansome! Ms. Moderator got to be seen to be doing her job since someone here has been after her job for a while now.

“Moderator,
The postings below put up by Undergrads are still in the thread while my response to him have all be deleted.” limkamput

Correction. Those postings were in fact responses to yours which were made with malice, meant to ridcule and insult. Some of your postings still remain and in case you think I’m calling for the moderator to do something about them, I’m not. I’m all for free speech.

My advice to you? As they say if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.