Shall I volunteer myself to be the treasurer?

Are you giving us all an 101 lecture in the law of perjury??

A witness commits perjury only if he gives false testimony concerning a ‘material matter’ with the ‘willful intent’ to provide false testimony, rather than as a result of confusion, mistake, or faulty memory. – laifoong

I was not attempting a legal definition of perjury. You are. Then you need to define more correctly. You left out “oath” or “affirmation”. See below:

I recall that you have a tendency to say things without checking your facts, including saying that I am a retard.

Can a retard correct a smart person’s (like you) mistakes?

You also did suggest that YB Lim can block a participant in this blog by blocking his/her IP address, in unjustifiably trying to instigate YB Lim to kick limkamput out.

Do you know that most of us are using dynamic IP addresses when we go online? They change every time modems restart. IP address can be 60.50.100.34 one moment, and 218.208.223.118 another moment.

Try this, http://www.whatismyip.com.

So, if i am a retard. You are worse because you are being corrected by a retard.

Please do not take it as an attack on you. It is just a learning process… Perjury 101, IP address 101.

Perjury : the offence of wilfully telling an untruth in a court
after having taken an oath or affirmation.

[EARNEST – The blog has achieved a commendable civility of discourse. Please do not shatter it. – Kit]

And yes, IP addresses could be blocked even if you are using wireless.- Godamn Singh

You are wrong.

BoDo Singh,
Are you practising what you are preaching? Is the word stupid appropriate?

Undergrad2,
Please enlighten me as to what you mean by contribute to the blog in a positive way.

I am not mistaken. I think you missed the point. You have to look at the bigger picture.

If lawyers do not unite as one voice, giving prior notice to the courts for a boycott in order to uphold justice, to prevent abuse of power, each of them will be less effective in representing his/her clients because of a defective legal system – abuse of power.

The boycott has to be coordinated, and planned properly well before hand, so that hearings will not take place, and clients’ interest are not jeopardized. It is like a picket, a strike demanding changes of the legal system for the better for their clients’ sake.

I feel proud that in the ensuing 50-odd postings, there has been exemplary civility – that we can agree disagree, however vehemently, without being disagreeable. I want to commend in particular limkamput for his contribution.

Let us move on EARNEST from 16/12/07 6.32.22 am and together build a blog which can be a byword for strong but civil opinions. – Kit]

Dear YB Lim,

Thank you for your reply and your acknowledgment of limkamput’s contributions, which had been unfairly treated.

Just as I thought my reply to laifoong’s earlier attack was the last remnant of unfinished business, BoDo Singh came along with a derogatory remark.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we should move on from 16/12/07 6.32.22 am and together build a blog which can be a byword for strong but civil opinions.

BoDo Singh,

Sorry, if I had misread your message.

If I am not mistaken, the statue of limitation for redress is 6 years, not one day.

Please see above.

Do not AssUMe that I am daphne.

Buddha said do not be too sure of yourself because you could be wrong.

Tell me where do I get my facts wrong.

Sometimes, in attempting to write something that run counter to those of YB Lim’s, I noticed that you had compromised your intellectual integriry.

I am not saying that you can not oppose YB Lim. I would like to suggest that one should refrain from opposing for the sake of opposing in order to enrich the blog and/or just to show that one has independence of thoughts.

You could be doing the issue under discussion a disservice by diluting the Opposition’s efforts in condemning strongly yet civilly the abuse of, for example, the ISA powers by Powers-that-be.

Do not trivialize abuse of ISA, with its power of indefinite detention without trial. We should not compromise with it under any circumstances.

I can not agree with your argument that the Hindraf 5 deserved to be detained under the ISA.

Your friends or loved ones may one day be ISA victims too even though you yourself may not be a potential candidate, with your propensity to invariably oppose YB Lim’s truly independent and courageous views against BN’s excesses.

limkamput has mellowed, which is good.
I am not a Christian. I am an agnostic. I have no idea about the “story of the Pharisee and the tax collector when each of them prayed to God, the Father.” Perhaps you can enlighten me, and perhaps others too.

However, here are answers to some questions raised.

“He compares our courts to shops and law like any other business.” — Dark Horse

Dark Horse,
Picture in your mind’s eyes an empty kopitiam boycotted by customers, with the proprietor staring into empty chairs. Next, picture in your mind’s eyes inside the judges’ Chambers, judges throughout the country staring into empty chairs where Plaintiffs’ and Defendants’ lawyers were supposed to be sitting, following a boycott of the judiciary. We know that the kopitiam proprietor will close shop for the day. I suppose the judges will do likewise. Just until this stage. Do not go any further into the nature of the work,etc,etc. You are not expected to extrapolate.

I am not equating Court to Shop, law to any other business. I was using an analogy for the immediate effect of a boycott, empty chairs, no customers, no lawyers.

I come across 5 definitions of analogy. I am using the fifth one here.
Analogy – a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.
A logical argument by analogy relies upon an inductive inference from the supposition that things are similar in certain known respects to the likelihood that they are also similar in some further unknown respect.

DarkHorse said: “Judges and lawyers could come together and “act in unison”
I never said Judges and lawyers…. Only lawyers. When you quote what somebody said, you need to be accurate, otherwise you could be accused of “putting words into somebody’s mouth” in order to support your argument in a crooked way.

Godamn Singh, Count Dracula, Laifoong,
You are entitled to your own opinions, which may be personal, not objective, and do not warrant answers.

“Then how does one trivialize the abuse of the abuse? Trivialize the abuse or exacerbate the abuse? Man, I don’t get it. Do you guys get it??” — DiaperHead.

You are suggesting the word abuse is redundant? ISA stands for Internal Security Act. Check in any thesaurus, it is not synonymous with abuse. It is legitimate to some, connotes abuse to some.

“narrow self-interest of the few.” — undegrad2
I don’t get this.

Colonel,
Do not AssUMe. Is cross dressing a fetish you indulge in, since you are so obsess with it?

Goodness Gracious! Just one word “mellowed” can trigger off a chain of instigations, appearing like scrapping the bottom of a barrel to find something which was not there merely for provocation.

I used the word “mellowed” to refer to a more tolerant, gentle and relaxed attitude. The degree of mellowing is subjective. So, before a person is considered mellowed, his/her level of tolerance, gentleness and relaxation may already be higher than those of a bunch of provocateurs. It is not an all-or-nothing description of character. For example, the words “White” and “Black” are definite, but the word “Grey” is subjective, with various shades from the extremes of white to black.

I said “…..mellowed, which is good” because it was good mainly for a bunch of mischievous provocateurs for being spared a massacre, with survivals limping and crying to YB Lim, likened to axe wielding thugs being thrown out of the arena by Stephen Chow in the movie “Kungfu Hustle” (2004).

It is also good to maintain civility of discourse.

To digress bit, another movie about a rotten judiciary and legal system “Justice, My Foot” (???) by Stephen Chow is interesting, like a satire on our judiciary and legal system.

Level of skill of inference of Laifoong, Dark Horse and DiaperHead will definitely be failed by Cambridge brat, with Laifoong getting a negative score.

DiaperHead, some of your comments on DAPHNE’s has been wrongly attributed to me.

limkamput, thanks for the explanation. I think if I add any more words, they may trigger off another endless chain reaction of out-of-topic remarks, necessitating a moderator to step in.
YB Lim’s show of support for limkamput’s commendable contributions, despite provocateurs’ urgings to kick him out vindicated my judgment.

A couple of weeks earlier in this blog, somebody had said that the Chinese were “Kia See” meaning literally “Afraid of Death” or cowardly, unlike Hindraf. To rebut, I had mentioned that a Chinese activist was even deprived off his citizenship for fighting the cause of Chinese education perhaps a bit too passionately to the powers-that-be. The Chinese community did engage a Queen Counsel with its own money to fight for its constitutional rights to establish a Chinese University in the 80s. The Chinese are not cowards, but are highly tolerant. However, the Chinese word for tolerance, ? “ren” has the word knife ? “dao” on top. That means do not push them too far in denying them their constitutional rights, they may retaliate. Basing on an article in the Sun, New Era College has submitted its application on 14.12.2007, to upgrade it to Chinese University status. Let’s hope for the best for its endeavor. This again vindicated my judgment.

So, please take note of my impersonal judgment of your skill of inference and improve yourself.

You see, the Chinese characters give some clues as to their meanings. I discovered through self-study that the radicals (at least 192) indicate whether a character connotes liquid, plants, people, female, etc. Even the late President Kennedy knew that the Chinese word for crisis?? “wei ji” has the word opportunity in it.
Our beloved country Malaysia is now beset with crises of confidence in the AG’s chambers, the police force and the judiciary. However, now with these crises, ancient Chinese wisdom teaches us that we have the opportunities to right the wrongs.

The issue under discussion here is “Challenge to AG/IGP to substantiate or withdraw terrorist charges against Hindraf”. We have the opportunity to contribute our ideas in this blog to avert crises. Do not squander it. What I write should not be a focus of your constant contributions and consternations.

Shall we move on, and concentrate on the above issue of discussion, please?

Sorry for the above duplication. It was inadvertent, due to reading of database error.

Dear Laifoong,

Please do not get upset. Rest assured that nobody can fail you that badly that you get a negative score, including Cambridge brat.

In all tests, the lowest mark you can get is zero. Just kidding you. I must thank you for upgrading my sense of tolerance.

Actually, I think you are quite smart, but a bit temperamental and I am quite sure very young, and perhaps sweet innocence.

I am sorry, if I had hurt your feelings. It was unintentional.

Dark Horse,
There is a Chinese saying, “Tolerate, tolerate until you can not tolerate, still you must tolerate”. This is the maximum limit of tolerance.

On the other extreme, at the slightest provocation, a person may overreact. Like smashing your head with a steering rod because you scratched his car, or chopping off your head because you flashed your headlight indicating intention to overtake, which really happened in real life — road rages. This is the minimum limit of tolerance.

So, in between this two extremes of tolerance, a person can be more and more tolerant. It is not like what you think. When I say you are more tolerant now, it does not mean you were not tolerant yesterday. The degree of tolerance just increases, analogous to calibrations on a thermometer, there is a scale. The temperature can get increasingly warmer from dawn to noon.

limkamput,

I agree with you.

Not only are they bankrupt of ideas, they are also incoherent, probably engaging in somniloquy.

I guess laifoong is a teenage male, with a female name.

Let them sleep on undisturbed. Nobody should disturb their somniloquy, which revealed their subconscious mental state.

Normal males have XY chromosomes, females XX chromosomes. There are some among us who have one extra X chromosome, i.e. XXY males.

Many men with XXY live out their lives without ever suspecting that they have an additional chromosome. But, there are some XXY boys and men, who exhibit the Klinefelter syndrome. Laifoong, Count Dracula and Dark Horse are possibly XXY boys who exhibit this syndrome.

What problems do XXY males have? – adapted from an online scientific article.

In addition to occasional breast enlargement, lack of facial and body hair, and a rounded body type, XXY males are more likely than other males to be overweight, and tend to be taller than their fathers and brothers.

A far more serious problem is one that is not always readily apparent. Although XXY males are not usually mentally retarded, most have some degree of language impairment. As children, they often learn to speak much later than do other children and may have difficulty learning to read and write. And while they eventually do learn to speak and converse normally, the majority tend to have some degree of difficulty with language throughout their lives.

If untreated, this language impairment can lead to school failure and its attendant loss of self esteem. Fortunately, however, this language disability usually can be compensated for. Chances for success are greatest if treatment for the language difficulty is begun in early childhood.

Hence, laifoong, Count Dracula and Dark Horse should take my explanation seriously, and try to improve themselves.

It got to be XXY, otherwise how do you explain the great difficulty I had trying to explain to them that tolerance has a range of levels. After I thought I had explained clearly enough, they indulged in somniloquy.

To elaborate further on my explanation of tolerance level to make sure that these boys really understand their XXY problem, let me illustrate by quantifying tolerance.

On a scale of 0 to 10 for tolerance levels, laifoong scored 3 points; Dark Horse and Count Dracula, 4 points; Cambridge brat, 4 points b4 the great debate, 8 points after the great debate; limkamput, 8 points b4 mellowing, 10 points after mellowing; DAPHNE, 10 points; EARNEST, 10 points.

Trust my judgment. You see, my judgments have been vindicated several times before.