Dear All,

In this year of the PIG, let us all resolve not to be PIG-headed or be a real SWINE. We should not SOW discord here, or BOAR others with inanities or put-downs. We should go the whole HOG and be nice to one another.

Here’s wishing one and all a Prosperous, Profitable and Propitious Piggy New Year.

Undergrad2 – don’t act self-righteous – get off your high horse and go through your posts. I have a very simple proposition – you get off my back, and I will ignore you. Deal?

Undergrad2 – this will be the last time I am telling you this. You have a nasty habit of taking pot shots at people. You don’t respect people and you expect people to take it lying down?

Don’t start a fight if you cannot finish it. Pick someone your own size. You are pathetic – each time you lose an argument, you go crying to LKS like a cry-baby who has his lollipop snatched away. Grow up. Please don’t insult LKS’s intelligence and tell him what to do. What’s wrong with my post? If you don’t like my post, don’t respond. If you do, I reserve the right to give you back in kind.

You don’t decide what can be posted here. LKS does. And he can very well make up his mind what is acceptable language and what is not parliamentary language. He knows very well what is seditious, what is libellous and what is grossly indecent.

What insult have I hurled? If you object to the word swine, I take that back – after all this is the year of the pig, and I shouldn’t be insulting the pigs.

What, in your mind, are acceptable posts? Your numerous past posts about condoms and your obsessios with Sharon Stone opening her legs? Your corny jokes? You one-line put downs? Your supercilious condescensions?

Please look yourself in the mirror. Please go through all your past posts and see for yourself what an anal-retentive person you are. Unfortunately, the old site is down and all your gems have vanished. Or maybe not quite. Luckily for you, I have all your pearls of wisdom stored away. Do you want me to show them here to show what a hypocrite you are? Not only a hypocrite, but a coward and whining one. When you are shown the charlatan you are, you go crying to LKS. Boy, grow up. If you want to poke fun at others, be prepared for favours in kind.

To all fair-minded people here, this is the reason why undergrad has been trying to get back at me – for pricking his ego when all I did just gently suggesting to him that he was wrong when he said Lee Kuan Yew was born in Indonesia. Instead of being grateful, he tried to wriggle his way out and dug himself a bigger hole. See the charlartan and self-appointed sage and cunning linguist. Judge for yourself…

Undergrad2 – if you persist, I will post the circumstances of your birth here…

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undergrad2 Said:
March 1st, 2006 at 23: 28.24
Look at the Chinese in Indonesia. They have been forced to assimilate or face certain discrimination. They changed their names, wear the songkok and batek for official functions because that is the accepted Indonesian national attire for formal occassions – and they speak Indonesian, many having lost their ability to speak in their mother tongue. There are some who refuse to assimilate to the same degree – and one went over to Singapore and became its Prime Minister! Lee Kuan Yew is an Indonesian Chinese from Surabaya who speaks Bahasa better than any Malay. He is also a Queens scholar with a double first!

undergrad2 Said:
March 2nd, 2006 at 21: 38.47
How and why and where do you think Harry Lee acquired such powerful oratorical skills in the use of the Indonesian language. He does not speak Malay but Indonesian.
What I am not sure is whether he and his family came from Palembang or Surabaya – but Surabaya is my bet because it has a large Chinese population.
But I thought it is common knowledge among Malaysians and S’poreans that he is Indonesian Chinese. If he is of the fourth generation, he would not be able to show the same fluency in the use of the language. He is not just fluent in the use of the language – but powerful in the use of the language as a public speaker, comparable to Sukarno whose oratorical skills are legendary.

undergrad2 Said:
March 2nd, 2006 at 21: 47.26
Have you listened to him speak?
He speaks Indonesian like an Indonesian does – not like a Chinese resident abroad speaking the native language of his grandfather.

undergrad2 Said:
March 2nd, 2006 at 22: 19.54
He could have been born in S’pore but must have spent a lot of his time in Surabaya in his early years growing up.

jeffrey Said:
March 2nd, 2006 at 22: 26.46
Lee Kuan Yew, a fourth-generation Singaporean, was born in Singapore on 16-SEP-1923, a fact verifiable from his memoirs.

confusedcious Said:
March 2nd, 2006 at 22: 42.28
LKY’s Malay fluency was from his childhood days in Telok Kurau Primary School in Singapore. He honed it further during the cut and thrust of parliamentary debates in the Malaysian Parliament when Singapore was part of Malaysia. Absolutely nothing to do with Indonesia.

undergrad2 Said:
March 3rd, 2006 at 19: 59.08
confusecious
i’m afraid, you’re once again confused.
harry lee was already a fiery public speaker in bahasa or to be more precise indonesian, long before s’pore joined m’sia. this was in the sukarno era.
my indonesian friends say he has roots in surabaya – a chinese enclave long an epicentre of racial riots and anti-chinese demonstrations.

confusedcious Said:
March 4th, 2006 at 00: 07.49
Undergrad2,
I think you are the one who is confused. No, too confident. You spoke as if you were so certain that LKY has something to do with Indonesia, more particularly, Surabaya. I can tell you this for a fact – zilch. Yes, he’s already proficient in Malay before Singapore join Malaysia. As I mentioned earlier, his childhood was spent in the Malay kampong of Telok Kurau in Singapore. He mixed with Malay neighbours. His relatives are mostly Baba or Peranaka. Don’t forget Singapore’s National Language is Malay.
He spoke and he speaks Malay – Singapore Malay. Not Bahasa Melayu, and certainly not Bahasa Indonesia. His Malay was already proficient as a child and young man. He honed it further when he was in the Malaysian Parliament from 1963 to 1965. Ask Mahathir – the two of them had a lot of clashes in Parliament. His command of Malay is better than most Malays. Don’t take my word for it; ask our blog host LKS. And ask him about the connection between DAP and PAP.
You speak like you know a lot, but… A little modesty will do you good.

undergrad2 Said:
April 19th, 2006 at 18: 42.34
“I still remember of my junior wanted to serve in our air force and he was able to desgin F-16 fighters…”
I’m sorry I dont follow this one. How’s your friend able to design something that already exists??

(see the superiority complex here, if I undergrad2 cannot designF-16, no Malaysian can.)

undergrad2 Said:
April 21st, 2006 at 04: 06.33
malaysia will be without a brain soon judging from the rate of brain drain.

undergrad2 Said:
April 20th, 2006 at 04: 54.16
[deleted] Period. They cannot build a bridge.

undergrad2 Said:
April 21st, 2006 at 04: 05.05
“You think Singaporeans are so stupid.”
no singaporeans are a lot smarter. they are chinese – remember??

undergrad2 Said:
April 20th, 2006 at 04: 59.19
To lead by example, [deleted]

undergrad2 Said:
April 17th, 2006 at 21: 04.50
“dodo” or no dildo.

undergrad2 Said:
April 20th, 2006 at 05: 06.21
Abdullah is [deleted]

undergrad2 Said:
April 20th, 2006 at 05: 05.35
Everybody knows what Hong Leong is all about – they gave overdraft to the keris wielding fanatic.

undergrad2 Said:
March 18th, 2006 at 21: 27.16
But gotta go now guys, sorry. Promise to come back and kick more butts.

undergrad2 Said:
March 19th, 2006 at 19: 01.23
whatever you do for a living, loh, i bet you have nothing to do with the world of finance and international trade.

undergrad2 Said:
March 20th, 2006 at 02: 20.42
us college students – so up, up and away !
See ya guys later for more ass kickin’.

undergrad2 Said:
March 20th, 2006 at 11: 13.36
ahhhh…good! we’re seeing more hits on this blog! even if it’s to indulge in undergrad bashing!
but i’m sorry guys, you’ll have to make do without me for a while. this spring weather is gettin’ on to me – must not keep the gurls waitin’ that wouldn’t be polite.
see ya!

undergrad2 Said:
March 12th, 2006 at 21: 33.29
Sri Ram,
What happened to you?
You are supposed to be on the Bench! Have they sent you back to S’pore to study law all over again because of that controversial ruling by you over that MAc Case?

jeffrey Said:
March 13th, 2006 at 12: 22.56
“There’s no need to get personal guys!?.
No one wants to get personal here.
But lets look at this statement: “two lawyers in court, for example, are like two gladiators except that they do not kill one another but exercise their skills in the art of battle for the hearts and minds of the jurors”?.
The purpose of two lawyers fighting opposite positions to facilitate the ascertainment of the truth which is why the engagement should is kept within bounds of relevancy.
But this blog forum is not even a court. In spite of this, even in public discourse, what I think PhiloSurfer means is that there must be a basic rule of engagement that, whilst there is always some latitude to argue the broad aspects of the case, there should not be repeated attempts to deliberately hijack the issue discussed to another irrelevant direction by either directly raising it or extrapolating and putting positions into other people’s mouth, where they did not say it, for the objective of covering an error that is not gracefully admitted by the ruse of going into another irrelevant area in which one could display relative better knowledge and competence in or in winning arguments and scoring points in argument for the sake of scoring points in arguments “and where especially in banter and exchanges of this sorts, there is no level playing field in that one is a person trained in the discipline of law (no matter whether as full fledged lawyers or para-legals) with the full arsenal of ultra legalistic jargon like “stare decisis”? or “hearsay that intimidates the rest of us who are not.
True humour is always appreciated especially self deprecating but too much dark humour at the expense of some vacillating in between excessive ingratiation of others can be quite taxing on us.
For example, there is no need to make fun at nicks “it is only nick, so why is it necessary to offend the contributor who uses the nick “Confusedcious”? as “confused”? or in another occasion to feign confusion by asking the person using nick “Sriramkri”? what happened to him, judge Sri Ram, who was “supposed to be on the Bench!”? and whether he had been sent you back to S’pore to study law all over again because of that controversial ruling over that Metramac Case”? and the contributor has to be baited out of his privacy to disclose his name and where he stayed!
You might be the magnanimous type but even then no one has so far evinced the indiscretion to make fun of the nick “Undergrad”? to say the person has to undergo undergraduate studies in law twice to pass it.
Freedom of speech to speak one’s mind, which tolerates, nay, encourages civil disagreement and arguments is not a license to ridicule, to obfuscate than to clarify. Neither does the right to be heard merit the right to be taken seriously if free speech is repeatedly abused.

Jeffrey – I agree with what you said. All I ask is that Undergrad don’t mess with me and I won’t mess with him. I think that is a fair deal. The problem is that he will pass snide remarks like worms coming out of the woodwork. He thinks is very clever. And he’s cowardly in not being upfront. I have resisted for a long time in not responding to his posts. His totally uncalled remarks about someone wasting tax payers’ money. And that’s very recent.

His style is abrasive and he likes to claim that that’s how’s it is done in the US. But when he gets a taste of his own medicine – the first thing he does is go crying to Uncle Kit. As I said, if you want to be a jerk, I can be up to the task.

If you look at my posts, I have no issues with anyone here. He’s too arrogant and because of the Lee Kuan Yew incident (and that too his fault as you can see I was very civil to him then), he has never been able to swallow his pride and will take the occasional pot shot at me. And he will claim he is not. Such pathetic weasel.

Undergrad2 – here’s my olive branch. If you don’t like my posts, don’t respond. And I will ignore yours as well. If you think there is merit and you respond with courtesy, I will extend the same courtesy to you. But if you want to be too clever by half or anal-retentive, or I make sure that you wish you had not been so puerile.

Have a nice day…

Jeffrey – the only reason I pasted the old messages by Undergrad2 is in response to his last post:

/// If this is the kind of messages readers can expect to read in this blog then it is clear that this platform provided by Kit for the free expression of views on matters of public interest has been abused. You can hurl all the insults you need to, to feed your ego, but may I suggest that you show respect to Kit. ///

Look at this hypocrite talking through both sides of his mouth. In all my posts, I have never been censored by Kit. But look at his posts – deleted by Kit on so many occasions. And he wants to talk to me about abusing public interest and not showing respect to Kit. This guy does not know the meaning of respect even if it hits him squarely in the face. He will only come to his senses when he is given his own medicine. And then, like the spineless weasel that he is, he will feigned indignation and go crying to Kit for help.

What kind of respect is he showing Kit when so many of his posts have been censored? What kind of respect when he keeps harping on condoms, dildos and Sharon Stone opening his legs? Jokes are okay, even risque one – but they have to be relevant to the topic at hand. But this guy just go off tangent ever so often, just to look smart – but it invariably back fired.

I have more of Undergrad2’s pearls of wisdom, and I am showing restraint by not posting the worse ones here. The above samples are just to expose him for what he is – an unprincipled, spineless weasel who could never admit that he is wrong. Do note how reasonable and civil I was in pointing out his errors – but that only encouraged him to throw more insults. Some people will only pay attention when you throw back at him with what he has been poo-ing all over the place.

Have a prosperour new year.

uranus – for someone with a nick like yours – it is a bit rich to criticise others’ nicks.

shirley, for someone who does not know head or tail, you are very quick to take sides, aren’t you? Is some coward hiding under your skirt?

anyway, I have already taken back my use of the word swine to describe the culprit – it is an insult to the swine, not the other way round.

Since you guys here prefer posters who sprout words like “dildo”, “condoms”, “Sharon Stone opening her legs”, and many such vulgarities, and have many of his posts censored and deleted by Kit, I have nothing more to say.

Shirley, if you are indeed a girl, (and not that coward hiding under your skirt), I am indeed disappointed that you are more offended by the word “swine”, than all the filthy words uttered by that hormone-filled pre-adolescent. What is a swine that is so horrific – it is but a pig. And that boy is indeed pig-headed. Like I say, I take that word back, because I realise that I am insulting more the pig than that sorry specimen passing off as human. I supposed you are quite comfortable with this boy’s obsession with condoms and dildos.

If this is your priority of things here, I am quite happy to part company.

Bye now – I will leave this site for Undergrad2 to dominate with his intellectual discourse about condoms, dildos, Sharon Stone, wasting tax payers’ money, you know nothing about finance, etc. I will bow out gracefully to this cunning linguist who can tell Lee Kuan Yew’s origin of birth just by his spoken Malay, and his profundity in propounding his insightful theory that where East is is dependent on where one faces.

I am speechless…

Good bye and have a good swine (don’t faint, my dear Shirley, this is a perfectly respectable word, in case you don’t know) year.

Undergrad2/Shirley, I leave you 2 (or one?) to scratch each other’s backs.