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	<title>Comments on: No fatwa on ‘belligerent infidel’ term used in ‘Utusan’, says minister</title>
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		<title>By: waterfrontcoolie</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/11/07/no-fatwa-on-belligerent-infidel-term-used-in-utusan-says-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-269504</link>
		<dc:creator>waterfrontcoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there something wrong about the education when in the 21st century we still hear such thought? And people still react to such appeals based on PURE emotion without engaging the grey matter! indeed the indoctrination process is working wonderfully for UMNO and its supporters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there something wrong about the education when in the 21st century we still hear such thought? And people still react to such appeals based on PURE emotion without engaging the grey matter! indeed the indoctrination process is working wonderfully for UMNO and its supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/11/07/no-fatwa-on-belligerent-infidel-term-used-in-utusan-says-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-269407</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it me or is the attack on Nurul getting ridiculous? Initially only the usual sycophant started making noises, then top ministers AND now we have their great ass-being-kissed Mahathir joining to spin the the untruth...

Suddenly they ALL look like Chua Soi Lek and MCA desperation negative campaign that leads them to nowhere...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it me or is the attack on Nurul getting ridiculous? Initially only the usual sycophant started making noises, then top ministers AND now we have their great ass-being-kissed Mahathir joining to spin the the untruth&#8230;</p>
<p>Suddenly they ALL look like Chua Soi Lek and MCA desperation negative campaign that leads them to nowhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yhsiew</title>
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		<dc:creator>yhsiew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is important that lawyers of the Opposition party know the ins and outs of Malaysian laws and the Constitution, lest BN imposes BN-made laws on the rakyat.  Recently BN installed the AES vehicle speed tracking system in PR led states. Fortunately PR members knew such installation had violated the law of the state and declared the installation to be illegal. We would have been taken for a ride if PR members had no knowledge of the law of the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important that lawyers of the Opposition party know the ins and outs of Malaysian laws and the Constitution, lest BN imposes BN-made laws on the rakyat.  Recently BN installed the AES vehicle speed tracking system in PR led states. Fortunately PR members knew such installation had violated the law of the state and declared the installation to be illegal. We would have been taken for a ride if PR members had no knowledge of the law of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: dagen wanna "ABU"</title>
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		<dc:creator>dagen wanna "ABU"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course islam in malaysia is under serious threat.

And the threat is coming from islam jenis-umno.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course islam in malaysia is under serious threat.</p>
<p>And the threat is coming from islam jenis-umno.</p>
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		<title>By: jus legitimum</title>
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		<dc:creator>jus legitimum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 04:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1 Malaysia,my foot.When it serves their wicked and heinous agenda,they will shout the hollow slogan.But when they face their own kind,they forget the hypocritical satu this ,satu that and shamelessly call others kafir harbi.They may hide behind the toilet paper when they accuse non muslims as kafir harbi.The fact is this type of leders should not be allowed to continue to rule the nation otherwise the consequence will be disastrous.Enough is enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Malaysia,my foot.When it serves their wicked and heinous agenda,they will shout the hollow slogan.But when they face their own kind,they forget the hypocritical satu this ,satu that and shamelessly call others kafir harbi.They may hide behind the toilet paper when they accuse non muslims as kafir harbi.The fact is this type of leders should not be allowed to continue to rule the nation otherwise the consequence will be disastrous.Enough is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: artemisios</title>
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		<dc:creator>artemisios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Islam dalam Bahaya?
Bahaya Apa? Bahaya Mana?

Bahaya diperalatkan oleh parti politik tak bertanggungjawab demi kepentingan peribadi. Contohnya situasi di atas. Mulut cakap mahu perjuangkan Islam, tapi tindak tanduk disebaliknya MEMPERALATKAN Islam demi kepentingan politik.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam dalam Bahaya?<br />
Bahaya Apa? Bahaya Mana?</p>
<p>Bahaya diperalatkan oleh parti politik tak bertanggungjawab demi kepentingan peribadi. Contohnya situasi di atas. Mulut cakap mahu perjuangkan Islam, tapi tindak tanduk disebaliknya MEMPERALATKAN Islam demi kepentingan politik.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[///The minister in charge of Islamic affairs also said that any statements calling non-Muslims as “kafir harbi” or “kafir zimmi” are merely personal opinions… the National Council has never issued any fatwa (religious orders) to refer to non-Muslims as “kafir harbi” or belligerent infidels…///

The point is how is extremism to be curbed and moderation promoted (per Ah Jib Gor’s telling the international audience) if the best govt’s response to these derogatory name calling that stokes religious/racial ill will is a mere dismissive description of them as “personal opinions”? Does this mean that extremists are allowed to freely express their “personal opinions” with impunity and free from any form of official disincentive and punishment? (Utusan is an UMNO media! No control over what it says?) If that were the case it becomes a ‘bad cop and good cop’ game with the extremists supportive of the ruling coalition being at liberty to routinely play ‘bad cop’ and try influence and galvanise muslim voters by telling them it is “haram” or forbidden to support the “belligerent infidel” party DAP and the govt. next coming out to play ‘good cop’ to do damage control to avoid alienating too many non muslim votes by saying, “hey that’s their personal opinions only, not the official position that can only be determined by a fatwa from National Fatwa Council”. How clever and convenient!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///The minister in charge of Islamic affairs also said that any statements calling non-Muslims as “kafir harbi” or “kafir zimmi” are merely personal opinions… the National Council has never issued any fatwa (religious orders) to refer to non-Muslims as “kafir harbi” or belligerent infidels…///</p>
<p>The point is how is extremism to be curbed and moderation promoted (per Ah Jib Gor’s telling the international audience) if the best govt’s response to these derogatory name calling that stokes religious/racial ill will is a mere dismissive description of them as “personal opinions”? Does this mean that extremists are allowed to freely express their “personal opinions” with impunity and free from any form of official disincentive and punishment? (Utusan is an UMNO media! No control over what it says?) If that were the case it becomes a ‘bad cop and good cop’ game with the extremists supportive of the ruling coalition being at liberty to routinely play ‘bad cop’ and try influence and galvanise muslim voters by telling them it is “haram” or forbidden to support the “belligerent infidel” party DAP and the govt. next coming out to play ‘good cop’ to do damage control to avoid alienating too many non muslim votes by saying, “hey that’s their personal opinions only, not the official position that can only be determined by a fatwa from National Fatwa Council”. How clever and convenient!</p>
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		<title>By: cseng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/11/07/no-fatwa-on-belligerent-infidel-term-used-in-utusan-says-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-269396</link>
		<dc:creator>cseng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why people tend to make this world very complicated?

Buddhism believe that things intended for self-inner-peace and calm, best be kept simple, focus point is &#039;self&#039;.

When it became so complicated and complex, it became a governing system, focus point might be on the &#039;system&#039;.

If everyone has self-religious values, the &#039;governing system&#039; is less valuable, &#039;you accountable for your decisions&#039;.

If religious need a governing system, then &#039;self&#039; values became meaningless, &#039;you accountable for their decisions&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why people tend to make this world very complicated?</p>
<p>Buddhism believe that things intended for self-inner-peace and calm, best be kept simple, focus point is &#8216;self&#8217;.</p>
<p>When it became so complicated and complex, it became a governing system, focus point might be on the &#8216;system&#8217;.</p>
<p>If everyone has self-religious values, the &#8216;governing system&#8217; is less valuable, &#8216;you accountable for your decisions&#8217;.</p>
<p>If religious need a governing system, then &#8216;self&#8217; values became meaningless, &#8216;you accountable for their decisions&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/11/07/no-fatwa-on-belligerent-infidel-term-used-in-utusan-says-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-269395</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THIS is really why Mahathir calling Malaysia &#039;an Islamic state&#039; and his Islamisation policies is so wrong..They threw away sound foundation this country was founded upon basically because its more convenient, its easier than having to resist a THESIS whose origin are from failed states..

It simply a colousus intellectual failure - on part of Mahathir. No matter what his legacy is, the fact of proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Mahathir is a intellectually mediocre and committed a colossus failure that is a burden we all have to share..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS is really why Mahathir calling Malaysia &#8216;an Islamic state&#8217; and his Islamisation policies is so wrong..They threw away sound foundation this country was founded upon basically because its more convenient, its easier than having to resist a THESIS whose origin are from failed states..</p>
<p>It simply a colousus intellectual failure &#8211; on part of Mahathir. No matter what his legacy is, the fact of proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Mahathir is a intellectually mediocre and committed a colossus failure that is a burden we all have to share..</p>
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		<title>By: mickeytiger2006</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2012/11/07/no-fatwa-on-belligerent-infidel-term-used-in-utusan-says-minister/comment-page-1/#comment-269393</link>
		<dc:creator>mickeytiger2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 01:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such fatwa is out to terrorising the people. It&#039;s a free election not a communist state as in North Korea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such fatwa is out to terrorising the people. It&#8217;s a free election not a communist state as in North Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: dagen wanna "ABU"</title>
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		<dc:creator>dagen wanna "ABU"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its black. Its white.
Its black. Its white.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No. Its gray.
Huh??!! Yes meh?
Not black?
Maybe more black than white?
No?
So? More white than black?
But but but. More white or more gray.
That&#039;s gray!
Yes meh?
Whats gray?

The grand umno logic going in circles. Around umno of course. We are mere spectators outside that ring of twisted logic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its black. Its white.<br />
Its black. Its white.<br />
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p>No. Its gray.<br />
Huh??!! Yes meh?<br />
Not black?<br />
Maybe more black than white?<br />
No?<br />
So? More white than black?<br />
But but but. More white or more gray.<br />
That&#8217;s gray!<br />
Yes meh?<br />
Whats gray?</p>
<p>The grand umno logic going in circles. Around umno of course. We are mere spectators outside that ring of twisted logic.</p>
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