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		<title>By: chengho</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205718</link>
		<dc:creator>chengho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DCLXVI,
WoW i m impressed old boy , i never watch terrestrial tv , i prefer IPTV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCLXVI,<br />
WoW i m impressed old boy , i never watch terrestrial tv , i prefer IPTV.</p>
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		<title>By: DCLXVI</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205676</link>
		<dc:creator>DCLXVI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-205618&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-205618&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chengho&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;...whatever you do we can alway find AliBaba mentality either in politic or economic&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If I&#039;m not mistaken, you can also find AliBaba in &#039;Ali Baba Bujang Lapok&#039; on TV2 tonight...</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-205618" rel="nofollow">chengho</a> :</strong>&#8230;whatever you do we can alway find AliBaba mentality either in politic or economic</p></blockquote>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, you can also find AliBaba in &#8216;Ali Baba Bujang Lapok&#8217; on TV2 tonight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dagen</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205665</link>
		<dc:creator>dagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... there are actually a very large number of us [i.e. malays] who view this ideology as being immoral and unIslamic, and therefore unacceptable.&quot; the author said.

In fact, I see the shameless and continuous scream for protection and for special rights and privileges (a) as childish cry; and (b) as a super mega insult upon those malays who are genuinely and wholeheartedly working their backside out to make ends meet and hopefully to succeed one day.

Of course, umno did not realise that the number of malays out there who yearn for success with their own ability have grown very substantially. They too are of the reality tv show generation and like the rest of us, they want challenges in life, true success and real satisfaction - not privileges, special rights and other soft cushions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; there are actually a very large number of us [i.e. malays] who view this ideology as being immoral and unIslamic, and therefore unacceptable.&#8221; the author said.</p>
<p>In fact, I see the shameless and continuous scream for protection and for special rights and privileges (a) as childish cry; and (b) as a super mega insult upon those malays who are genuinely and wholeheartedly working their backside out to make ends meet and hopefully to succeed one day.</p>
<p>Of course, umno did not realise that the number of malays out there who yearn for success with their own ability have grown very substantially. They too are of the reality tv show generation and like the rest of us, they want challenges in life, true success and real satisfaction &#8211; not privileges, special rights and other soft cushions.</p>
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		<title>By: chengho</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205618</link>
		<dc:creator>chengho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SS,
Malays is malays , whatever you do we can alway find AliBaba mentality either in politic or economic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS,<br />
Malays is malays , whatever you do we can alway find AliBaba mentality either in politic or economic</p>
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		<title>By: pwcheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205607</link>
		<dc:creator>pwcheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;perpetual handouts and special privileges are like drugs&quot;. 
You are absolutely right. I have mentioned this before and it is clear that UMNo is using the NEP as a drug for many Malays so that they can get addicted which many are already and one very good example is Ibrahim Ali. UMNo is using the same tactics used by the British in giving opium to the Chinese to make them get addicted and be subservient to them and this lead to the Anglo Chinese war from 1839-1860</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;perpetual handouts and special privileges are like drugs&#8221;.<br />
You are absolutely right. I have mentioned this before and it is clear that UMNo is using the NEP as a drug for many Malays so that they can get addicted which many are already and one very good example is Ibrahim Ali. UMNo is using the same tactics used by the British in giving opium to the Chinese to make them get addicted and be subservient to them and this lead to the Anglo Chinese war from 1839-1860</p>
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		<title>By: undergrad2</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205605</link>
		<dc:creator>undergrad2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I do not know what further evidence is needed to prove that affirmative actions as practised by UMNO have not worked. &quot; limkaput



Of course it has worked as a racially skewed policy crafted to benefit Malays irrespective if they have the academic credentials. How else could a Malay like limkaput, of mediocre ability and poor grades at SPM enroll himself as a student at a community college at taxpayer expense in the U.S. and then  returned to take his position in an UMNO machinery, pushing pen and paper until he retires at the ripe old age of 55, helping UMNO to loot the national coffers with impunity?? A feat he claimed was not easy to achieve and for which he announced on this blog that he was awarded the long service medal.

Here is somebody who bites the hand that feeds him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not know what further evidence is needed to prove that affirmative actions as practised by UMNO have not worked. &#8221; limkaput</p>
<p>Of course it has worked as a racially skewed policy crafted to benefit Malays irrespective if they have the academic credentials. How else could a Malay like limkaput, of mediocre ability and poor grades at SPM enroll himself as a student at a community college at taxpayer expense in the U.S. and then  returned to take his position in an UMNO machinery, pushing pen and paper until he retires at the ripe old age of 55, helping UMNO to loot the national coffers with impunity?? A feat he claimed was not easy to achieve and for which he announced on this blog that he was awarded the long service medal.</p>
<p>Here is somebody who bites the hand that feeds him.</p>
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		<title>By: hibou</title>
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		<dc:creator>hibou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Malay based organization to take care of Malay interest?

When are we going to learn to work together as Malaysians, regardless of race or religion, but based only on priority of the most needy?

We should also definitely leave religion out of politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Malay based organization to take care of Malay interest?</p>
<p>When are we going to learn to work together as Malaysians, regardless of race or religion, but based only on priority of the most needy?</p>
<p>We should also definitely leave religion out of politics.</p>
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		<title>By: waterfrontcoolie</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205586</link>
		<dc:creator>waterfrontcoolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Suflan on the role of the Middle class Malays; they&#039;ve allowed their rightful role to be usurped by characters which I can describe only as the equivalent of Hitler and Stalin, both professing to German and Russian respectively; when neither was. One happened to speak German when the land was part of the Hapburg empire and the other happened to speak Russians when Peter conquered Georgia. They finally screwed up the nations to suffer years of consequential poverty. If the real Malays are not aware of what is happening now, they too will suffer the same after effects. They know that all the propaganda is now controlled via the Strait Times and Utusan and just look at those faces who lead them. The late Ancient Mariner was quite aware of the situation though he seldom spoke openly of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Suflan on the role of the Middle class Malays; they&#8217;ve allowed their rightful role to be usurped by characters which I can describe only as the equivalent of Hitler and Stalin, both professing to German and Russian respectively; when neither was. One happened to speak German when the land was part of the Hapburg empire and the other happened to speak Russians when Peter conquered Georgia. They finally screwed up the nations to suffer years of consequential poverty. If the real Malays are not aware of what is happening now, they too will suffer the same after effects. They know that all the propaganda is now controlled via the Strait Times and Utusan and just look at those faces who lead them. The late Ancient Mariner was quite aware of the situation though he seldom spoke openly of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to reassuring the Malays that they will never be marginalised is simply to argue that its impossible already. Demographically the bumiputra population as a percentage can only grow bigger.  The population of Chinese in particular will shrink no matter who is ruling this country due to decreasing birth rate and migration in a globalised world.  Between decreasing birth rate and a globalised world that opportunities in a bigger world, the Chinese population who are largely urbanised  and hence globalised is doomed to shrink in this country.

The issue then is one of class. What the Malays must want is a dynamic economy whether the winners and losers are not pre-determined. It need dynamism both in the corporate sector as well as government because the latter determined a significant part of the corporate sector. So no matter who rules, what works for them is just simply change based on merit and equal opportunities. It wants a government that spent more on the best education in the rural areas than in suburban areas. It wants a government, that is less Federally oriented, so that it encourages industries and services  to be more distributed to other states than concentrated in KL and Penang.   All these are PR and their best hope for the future.

UMNO/BN which is feudal oriented can not meet their demand because of the unbalanced demands of the elite class which wants and can get disporportionately more.  UMNO/BN spends disporportionately way more time and resources on seizing power in Perak, attacking Anwar, Selangor and Penang govt then actually making schools better, making sure industries more efficient, less crime, infrastructure better maintained and built,  and the UMNO/BN machinery need less money and better quality candidates through meritocracy.  So long as UMNO/BN priorities is changed, so long they will never deliver on their promises</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to reassuring the Malays that they will never be marginalised is simply to argue that its impossible already. Demographically the bumiputra population as a percentage can only grow bigger.  The population of Chinese in particular will shrink no matter who is ruling this country due to decreasing birth rate and migration in a globalised world.  Between decreasing birth rate and a globalised world that opportunities in a bigger world, the Chinese population who are largely urbanised  and hence globalised is doomed to shrink in this country.</p>
<p>The issue then is one of class. What the Malays must want is a dynamic economy whether the winners and losers are not pre-determined. It need dynamism both in the corporate sector as well as government because the latter determined a significant part of the corporate sector. So no matter who rules, what works for them is just simply change based on merit and equal opportunities. It wants a government that spent more on the best education in the rural areas than in suburban areas. It wants a government, that is less Federally oriented, so that it encourages industries and services  to be more distributed to other states than concentrated in KL and Penang.   All these are PR and their best hope for the future.</p>
<p>UMNO/BN which is feudal oriented can not meet their demand because of the unbalanced demands of the elite class which wants and can get disporportionately more.  UMNO/BN spends disporportionately way more time and resources on seizing power in Perak, attacking Anwar, Selangor and Penang govt then actually making schools better, making sure industries more efficient, less crime, infrastructure better maintained and built,  and the UMNO/BN machinery need less money and better quality candidates through meritocracy.  So long as UMNO/BN priorities is changed, so long they will never deliver on their promises</p>
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		<title>By: ekompute</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205562</link>
		<dc:creator>ekompute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Malaya gained independence in 1957, UMNO claimed that the Malays need special rights because they are economically disadvantaged. 50 years, they claimed that they deserve special rights because of Ketuanan Melayu. Head also they say, tail also they say. Where does the virtue of honesty stand in the Malay value system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Malaya gained independence in 1957, UMNO claimed that the Malays need special rights because they are economically disadvantaged. 50 years, they claimed that they deserve special rights because of Ketuanan Melayu. Head also they say, tail also they say. Where does the virtue of honesty stand in the Malay value system?</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205560</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know what further evidence is needed to prove that affirmative actions as practised by UMNO have not worked.  The economic position of some Malays has improved no doubt, but to what extent this is sustainable is yet to be seen.  Easy money comes, easy money goes.  Surely many Malays were given lots of wealth through the largesse of the government, but for them to hold on to it and to manage it on a sustainable basis has remained elusive.  That is why so many NEP programmes have become endless conduits that transfer “goodies” to them like drugs given to addicts.  

The NEP and the stranglehold of Malays having the monopoly of political power is a big drawback. There are simply too many incompetent people in the helm whose appointments were solely based on race and nothing else.  Incompetent people can’t create wealth and better living standard for others.  In fact, incompetent people holding important positions are actually destroying wealth.  Just look at key ministries, government departments, important statutory bodies, and GLCS - these are essentially staffed by people from one single race who capability are very much in doubt.  It is that simple; if indeed they are that capable and qualified why do they need continuous NEP protection. If indeed they are that good, why do they need stipulation that only Malays can hold those positions?  Are we saying that important positions are actually titular heads – it does not matter persons holding those positions are capable or qualified so long as they are of a particular race and religion.  In fact, if we observe closely, there are simply too many titular heads at various levels of the administration who practically do nothing other than destroy value.  How can our economy ever move forward when those destroying value are more than those creating value.  GLCs are supposed to operate more on commercial basis. Can someone name me one head of GLC that is appointed not based on political, racial or parochial consideration?   Also, can the PM name me one important minister whose appointment is not based on political, racial and religious consideration?  

All these talks about 1Malaysia, about UMNO serving all races, about inclusivity, about sharing wealth, prosperity and responsibility are baloney when the basis tenet of letting more capable people to man the resources is not adhered to.  Why talk so eloquently the grandiose stuff when the reality is staring right at us.  How hypocrite can we get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know what further evidence is needed to prove that affirmative actions as practised by UMNO have not worked.  The economic position of some Malays has improved no doubt, but to what extent this is sustainable is yet to be seen.  Easy money comes, easy money goes.  Surely many Malays were given lots of wealth through the largesse of the government, but for them to hold on to it and to manage it on a sustainable basis has remained elusive.  That is why so many NEP programmes have become endless conduits that transfer “goodies” to them like drugs given to addicts.  </p>
<p>The NEP and the stranglehold of Malays having the monopoly of political power is a big drawback. There are simply too many incompetent people in the helm whose appointments were solely based on race and nothing else.  Incompetent people can’t create wealth and better living standard for others.  In fact, incompetent people holding important positions are actually destroying wealth.  Just look at key ministries, government departments, important statutory bodies, and GLCS &#8211; these are essentially staffed by people from one single race who capability are very much in doubt.  It is that simple; if indeed they are that capable and qualified why do they need continuous NEP protection. If indeed they are that good, why do they need stipulation that only Malays can hold those positions?  Are we saying that important positions are actually titular heads – it does not matter persons holding those positions are capable or qualified so long as they are of a particular race and religion.  In fact, if we observe closely, there are simply too many titular heads at various levels of the administration who practically do nothing other than destroy value.  How can our economy ever move forward when those destroying value are more than those creating value.  GLCs are supposed to operate more on commercial basis. Can someone name me one head of GLC that is appointed not based on political, racial or parochial consideration?   Also, can the PM name me one important minister whose appointment is not based on political, racial and religious consideration?  </p>
<p>All these talks about 1Malaysia, about UMNO serving all races, about inclusivity, about sharing wealth, prosperity and responsibility are baloney when the basis tenet of letting more capable people to man the resources is not adhered to.  Why talk so eloquently the grandiose stuff when the reality is staring right at us.  How hypocrite can we get?</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2010/02/21/time-for-a-malay-counter-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-205556</link>
		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, 4 this nation 2 move on, d Malays n native East Malaysians r d key players 2 decide 2 continue with d bunch of self-enriching Umnoputras n their cronies or 2 kick them out
D first test will b here very soon - Sarawak state election
Are PR/PRM READY 4 d coming state election?
&lt;b&gt;It seems DAP guys there r killing each other! How come?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, 4 this nation 2 move on, d Malays n native East Malaysians r d key players 2 decide 2 continue with d bunch of self-enriching Umnoputras n their cronies or 2 kick them out<br />
D first test will b here very soon &#8211; Sarawak state election<br />
Are PR/PRM READY 4 d coming state election?<br />
<b>It seems DAP guys there r killing each other! How come?</b></p>
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		<title>By: ekompute</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekompute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to me, the biggest losers of Ketuanan Melayu are the ordinary Malays themselves because they lend their names to help enriched an elite few who now live in multi-million ringgit mansions, while the majority are still ekeing out a living. Just imagine how many Malay billionaires Ketuanan Melayu has created, and all these have to be hidden from the light of day for obvious reasons. If these billions and millions are distributed among the ordinary Malays, the fruits of the NEP would have reached the ordinary Malays long ago. As it is, it seems that only a small percentage trickles to them while the bulk of it gets stuck in the hands of the very few. In short, the wakil rakyats are getting obese, while the rakyat are still as skinny as ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to me, the biggest losers of Ketuanan Melayu are the ordinary Malays themselves because they lend their names to help enriched an elite few who now live in multi-million ringgit mansions, while the majority are still ekeing out a living. Just imagine how many Malay billionaires Ketuanan Melayu has created, and all these have to be hidden from the light of day for obvious reasons. If these billions and millions are distributed among the ordinary Malays, the fruits of the NEP would have reached the ordinary Malays long ago. As it is, it seems that only a small percentage trickles to them while the bulk of it gets stuck in the hands of the very few. In short, the wakil rakyats are getting obese, while the rakyat are still as skinny as ever.</p>
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