Comments on: Our failed migrant labour policy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:00:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: son of perpaduan http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199228 son of perpaduan Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:01:35 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199228 Imigration dept very smart in making bucks, how an why? Do you know how much money this deparment making? Labor sourcing company paying to the imigration head department for bringing in per head. Then operasi catching them also making bucks too. So in another word, two way income...ohh not, it should be three ways income, and drama a little bit on the TV or newspaper telling malaysian their enforcement duty on catching illegals, right! Imigration dept very smart in making bucks, how an why? Do you know how much money this deparment making? Labor sourcing company paying to the imigration head department for bringing in per head. Then operasi catching them also making bucks too. So in another word, two way income…ohh not, it should be three ways income, and drama a little bit on the TV or newspaper telling malaysian their enforcement duty on catching illegals, right!

]]> By: boh-liao http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199175 boh-liao Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:03:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199175 Sacrilegious - asking M'sia (small country!?) to copy d ideas of d little red dot (real small country) MMK will crucify u Sacrilegious – asking M’sia (small country!?) to copy d ideas of d little red dot (real small country)
MMK will crucify u

]]> By: HJ Angus http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199124 HJ Angus Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:06:06 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199124 The cheap labour policy was used to create the manufacturing base and it was quite successful in the 80s. The basic problem is the government did not have far-sighted program to move up the value-added chain as we do not have strategic thinkers. Small countries like Malaysia can benefit if we adopt many of the ideas that Singapore has (after all, many of the experts there are Malaysians). We don't have much time to rectify things - building more trade/technical schools may develop the youth but we also need to create the jobs that the youth can apply for. I suggest one way to address the shortage of skills in Malaysia is to enforce the return of those scholarship holders who renege on their agreements. The cheap labour policy was used to create the manufacturing base and it was quite successful in the 80s.
The basic problem is the government did not have far-sighted program to move up the value-added chain as we do not have strategic thinkers.
Small countries like Malaysia can benefit if we adopt many of the ideas that Singapore has (after all, many of the experts there are Malaysians).
We don’t have much time to rectify things – building more trade/technical schools may develop the youth but we also need to create the jobs that the youth can apply for.
I suggest one way to address the shortage of skills in Malaysia is to enforce the return of those scholarship holders who renege on their agreements.

]]> By: trublumsian http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199114 trublumsian Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:00:36 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199114 Argggh! Kasim amat is driving me crazy. Yo! Kiss-my-axx-mat! you have not answered my question! Why does 50 years of NEP for your 60% number result in so little you have to show for?? Argggh! Kasim amat is driving me crazy.

Yo! Kiss-my-axx-mat! you have not answered my question!

Why does 50 years of NEP for your 60% number result in so little you have to show for??

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199039 monsterball Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:41:50 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199039 UMNO have trained Malays to be Landlords. Have trained to pray 5 times a day...to be all good. Have never found any loyal members...unproductive lazy and good for nothing. End result...you are lucky to see any government workers do a 3 hours proper work..yet if she/he does....produces not much results...so much red tapes. This is one way.to buy up the country...by buying up Malays..enjoying big salary...doing nothing....and make sure no one will question their rights....having all living in a fool's dream life..until 12th GE....all exposed. Imagine...53 years...to keep feeding one who is 53 years old.....doing nothing. What will be end result?....half past sixes...lazy hypocrites......thousands of them..all UMNO members. These Muslims are the ones UMNO have really betrayed them. Now they suffer as much as others,.if not more. Will they do the right thing and vote UMNO out...so that their children cannot be fooled by UMNO ..like UMNO fooled them? UMNO have trained Malays to be Landlords.
Have trained to pray 5 times a day…to be all good.
Have never found any loyal members…unproductive lazy and good for nothing.
End result…you are lucky to see any government workers do a 3 hours proper work..yet if she/he does….produces not much results…so much red tapes.
This is one way.to buy up the country…by buying up Malays..enjoying big salary…doing nothing….and make sure no one will question their rights….having all living in a fool’s dream life..until 12th GE….all exposed.
Imagine…53 years…to keep feeding one who is 53 years old…..doing nothing.
What will be end result?….half past sixes…lazy hypocrites……thousands of them..all UMNO members.
These Muslims are the ones UMNO have really betrayed them.
Now they suffer as much as others,.if not more.
Will they do the right thing and vote UMNO out…so that their children cannot be fooled by UMNO ..like UMNO fooled them?

]]> By: rubini http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199033 rubini Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:34:02 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199033 Every country in the world has migrant policy. Ours started in the late 1980's to support construction industry, then maids were needed, then garbage collecters were needed, then security guards were needed, then robbers/killers/smugglers/human traffickers/terrorist were needed? At RM7K - 10K per work visa, i would also not stop the gravy train. What was Human Resource / Education / Home Affairs / Works / Science & Technology / Finance Ministries were doing the last 52 years. Sleeping :(((. Manpower requirement comes from long term planning which in turn goes back to Education. Each year RM7 - 8 billion are remitted to foreign countries. Malaysia has about 2.5 million foreign workers (all included). Did anyone consider impact on our society? 2009 malaysian economy contracted by average 5 percent, still we are keeping the foreigners? How many trade skills schoold were established? How many midlevel skills personnel can the government produce yearly? Introducing minimum wage & tradesmen wage would have required many people to improve the quality of managing business. Giving tax incentives for automation would have reduced the need for labour. Taxing remittance would also have prohibited too much of outflow of capital. Most industrialist countries keep a cap on the number of foreign workers. Unfortunately Malaysia's policy of cheap labour has done the country great damage! Every country in the world has migrant policy. Ours started in the late 1980′s to support construction industry, then maids were needed, then garbage collecters were needed, then security guards were needed, then robbers/killers/smugglers/human traffickers/terrorist were needed?

At RM7K – 10K per work visa, i would also not stop the gravy train.
What was Human Resource / Education / Home Affairs / Works / Science & Technology / Finance Ministries were doing the last 52 years. Sleeping :(((.

Manpower requirement comes from long term planning which in turn goes back to Education.
Each year RM7 – 8 billion are remitted to foreign countries. Malaysia has about 2.5 million foreign workers (all included).

Did anyone consider impact on our society? 2009 malaysian economy contracted by average 5 percent, still we are keeping the foreigners?

How many trade skills schoold were established? How many midlevel skills personnel can the government produce yearly?

Introducing minimum wage & tradesmen wage would have required many people to improve the quality of managing business.

Giving tax incentives for automation would have reduced the need for labour. Taxing remittance would also have prohibited too much of outflow of capital.

Most industrialist countries keep a cap on the number of foreign workers.

Unfortunately Malaysia’s policy of cheap labour has done the country great damage!

]]> By: House Victim http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199032 House Victim Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:37 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199032 Have any Policy been successful in Malaysia? --------------------------------------The key points are many of them are up for the sake of a short-term view. Their existence does not integrated with the overall, implemented or enforced by all concerned. Those departments concerned are using that as a means of getting more processing fee. And, worse of all a means for those officials concerned to earn extra money. They are not oversee by any Independent and competent authorities. Basically, it is a problem of lacking of planning, enforcement with CORRUPTION and abusing of Human Rights or Laws!!- A GENERAL SYMPTOM in most of the Government Offices and the society are also looking it with dollar sense only! The People have no Rights to change it!! Human Rights had never been respected in any way in Malaysia!! Breach of Duty is just a daily meal to those who have power and the obligation to perform!! The Bottom line, a Government with NO Genuine Mind to improve for the Sake of the People but for their cronies!! The Constitutions and the Laws are not there to make the Government improve but allowing ill-performance to exist. Such as why can't ill-performing Judges be expunged or bad lawyers be out of the rolls with high efficient disciplinary proceeding? Politic rather than necessity or performance has better priority in Malaysia!! Bad judges are transferred and not expunged even they did not exercise justice and they are still in the Juridical Committee!! Have any Policy been successful in Malaysia?
————————————–The key points are many of them are up for the sake of a short-term view. Their existence does not integrated with the overall, implemented or enforced by all concerned.

Those departments concerned are using that as a means of getting more processing fee. And, worse of all a means for those officials concerned to earn extra money. They are not oversee by any Independent and competent authorities.

Basically, it is a problem of lacking of planning, enforcement with CORRUPTION and abusing of Human Rights or Laws!!- A GENERAL SYMPTOM in most of the Government Offices and the society are also looking it with dollar sense only!

The People have no Rights to change it!! Human Rights had never been respected in any way in Malaysia!! Breach of Duty is just a daily meal to those who have power and the obligation to perform!!

The Bottom line, a Government with NO Genuine Mind to improve for the Sake of the People but for their cronies!!

The Constitutions and the Laws are not there to make the Government improve but allowing ill-performance to exist.

Such as why can’t ill-performing Judges be expunged or bad lawyers be out of the rolls with high efficient disciplinary proceeding? Politic rather than necessity or performance has better priority in Malaysia!!
Bad judges are transferred and not expunged even they did not exercise justice and they are still in the Juridical Committee!!

]]> By: pwcheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199024 pwcheng Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:10:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199024 Continue from above. So the game goes on and unlike the musical chair there will be enough of seats for all participants and nobody will be disqualified but when the time is right more will sprout. Continue from above.

So the game goes on and unlike the musical chair there will be enough of seats for all participants and nobody will be disqualified but when the time is right more will sprout.

]]> By: pwcheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199023 pwcheng Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:00:46 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199023 Mr. Boh Liao I think you miss a point here. Gratefulness is a 2 sided affair . He gives us his hard labor and he gets paid for his effort on an agreed term. Similarly why should we be grateful to the shopkeeper who sell us his goods as he gets paid for it, it is only when he supply the goods free then it will exert some form of gratefulness. Anyway that is out of the topic here. We are more interested in the ruckus created by a few that affected many. Jeffery had aptly pointed out some reasons for the failure of the migrant policy. .He obviously knows certain intricacies of the workings of these clumsy policy of Foreign workers, but what I am not sure is whether he knows how horrendous is corruption going on in this big boys game. I fully agree with Irene Fernandes that the outsourcing agency plays a big part in our foreign workers fiasco. What is supposed to be only a few, ended up to more than 200 licensed companies. These license do not come cheap, probably around RM400,000.and with that I do not need to elaborate why it mushroomed to a few hundred. It is definitely a lucrative business to make a few Govt officers becoming rich overnight. On the other side of the coin, subsequently with such huge capital outlay, tell me what these outsourcing co will not do in order to recoup their capital at the fastest pace. It will be foolish to say that they will play the game with kid’s gloves and according to the rules of the game. It will also be outrageously stupid if they do not become unscrupulous and will treat human as human. Obviously all these need inside help and with these help, they are allowed to bring in hundreds of them without going through proper procedures and of course all the risks will be passed on to the workers who will sell whatever they can get hold of. Unfortunately some landed here without any job and has to sleep under bridges ( hundreds of Bangladeshis are caught in this catch 22 situation a few years ago) Sad to say ultimately the government has to carry the baby and it is our tax money that will be spent to feed the hungry workers and also to send them home, where else the culprit got unscathed. Have you ever heard of anyone getting penalized for the wrongdoings. Obviously all these guys had strong connections inside. If they make it is their profit and if they failed it’s our losses. So virtually they are immortal and will never become extinct but instead will continue to fester . Needless to say with inside support it is no wonder they can execute with finesse and slither with dexterity and inconspicuously. Call it a double whammy. It is a zero sum game. One man makes all, with exception of some generous distributions to those well connected. The country, the rakyat and the workers are the losers or suckers if you like the term. The country gets a bad image, the rakyat has to foot the bills when there is a failure by the company and the workers has to slave e it out without adequate compensation and ultimately turned himself into a criminal to make ends meet and ultimately the people becomes the victim, maimed or rigor mortis. Mr. Boh Liao I think you miss a point here. Gratefulness is a 2 sided affair . He gives us his hard labor and he gets paid for his effort on an agreed term. Similarly why should we be grateful to the shopkeeper who sell us his goods as he gets paid for it, it is only when he supply the goods free then it will exert some form of gratefulness. Anyway that is out of the topic here. We are more interested in the ruckus created by a few that affected many.
Jeffery had aptly pointed out some reasons for the failure of the migrant policy. .He obviously knows certain intricacies of the workings of these clumsy policy of Foreign workers, but what I am not sure is whether he knows how horrendous is corruption going on in this big boys game. I fully agree with Irene Fernandes that the outsourcing agency plays a big part in our foreign workers fiasco. What is supposed to be only a few, ended up to more than 200 licensed companies. These license do not come cheap, probably around RM400,000.and with that I do not need to elaborate why it mushroomed to a few hundred. It is definitely a lucrative business to make a few Govt officers becoming rich overnight. On the other side of the coin, subsequently with such huge capital outlay, tell me what these outsourcing co will not do in order to recoup their capital at the fastest pace. It will be foolish to say that they will play the game with kid’s gloves and according to the rules of the game. It will also be outrageously stupid if they do not become unscrupulous and will treat human as human. Obviously all these need inside help and with these help, they are allowed to bring in hundreds of them without going through proper procedures and of course all the risks will be passed on to the workers who will sell whatever they can get hold of. Unfortunately some landed here without any job and has to sleep under bridges ( hundreds of Bangladeshis are caught in this catch 22 situation a few years ago) Sad to say ultimately the government has to carry the baby and it is our tax money that will be spent to feed the hungry workers and also to send them home, where else the culprit got unscathed. Have you ever heard of anyone getting penalized for the wrongdoings. Obviously all these guys had strong connections inside. If they make it is their profit and if they failed it’s our losses. So virtually they are immortal and will never become extinct but instead will continue to fester .
Needless to say with inside support it is no wonder they can execute with finesse and slither with dexterity and inconspicuously. Call it a double whammy. It is a zero sum game. One man makes all, with exception of some generous distributions to those well connected. The country, the rakyat and the workers are the losers or suckers if you like the term. The country gets a bad image, the rakyat has to foot the bills when there is a failure by the company and the workers has to slave e it out without adequate compensation and ultimately turned himself into a criminal to make ends meet and ultimately the people becomes the victim, maimed or rigor mortis.

]]> By: boh-liao http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-199010 boh-liao Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:04:18 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-199010 B grateful that there r migrant workers, legal or illegal, doing d dirty work in M'sia Who toil in oil palm plantations, construction sites, hawker centres, homes? B grateful that there r migrant workers, legal or illegal, doing d dirty work in M’sia
Who toil in oil palm plantations, construction sites, hawker centres, homes?

]]> By: Jeffrey http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198998 Jeffrey Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:25:00 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198998 This problem is not so much of our skilled and talented labour exiting as part of brain drain. It is more of Malaysian attitude. Locals are not prepared to work in factories, eateries, and domestic help and construction industry for the pay of foreigners. Compounding the problem is corruption and human exploitation. Here the entrepreneur pays the Home Affairs/Immigration authorities upfront the official levy for workers as well as visas, and then under-counter as well. He has to defray the outlay for housing and feeding the workers on embarkation here; he has to pay foreign recruiter if not local one collaborating with foreign one. He marks up his profit on top of everyone’s cut. He sees the Employee and makes an arrangement that the Employer gets the worker in exchange for deduction from monthly salary of foreign worker until 1 or 2 years later it is sufficient to recoup the cost of bringing him in. At the end of it all, the foreign worker is left only with RM40 to RM600 (in some cases) a month to survive. He prowls the streets and homes at night if he could to augment and eke out a bare survival for food/medical expenses. What has got to lose? If he were killed when scaffolding in a building collapses who will miss him? Those who are “illegals” are also targeted. If they are caught they are sent to over crowded detention camps where no one cares if one were sodomised, or went down with HINI or HIV. If they otherwise roam the streets and were stopped by the authorities, they have to pay a lot to avoid being sent to these detention camps. It would be more than what one would have to pay for a traffic offence. Hence they are a source of illicit income to many here, not to mention legitimate income from their cheap labour in their work. As always if one wants to address the problem one has to deal with those having vested interests in profiteering from this deluge of foreign workers. It is big bucks involved here. And we're not even factoring the other class of "human traffickers, drug smugglers, and assorted terrorists in transit". This problem is not so much of our skilled and talented labour exiting as part of brain drain. It is more of Malaysian attitude. Locals are not prepared to work in factories, eateries, and domestic help and construction industry for the pay of foreigners. Compounding the problem is corruption and human exploitation. Here the entrepreneur pays the Home Affairs/Immigration authorities upfront the official levy for workers as well as visas, and then under-counter as well. He has to defray the outlay for housing and feeding the workers on embarkation here; he has to pay foreign recruiter if not local one collaborating with foreign one. He marks up his profit on top of everyone’s cut. He sees the Employee and makes an arrangement that the Employer gets the worker in exchange for deduction from monthly salary of foreign worker until 1 or 2 years later it is sufficient to recoup the cost of bringing him in. At the end of it all, the foreign worker is left only with RM40 to RM600 (in some cases) a month to survive. He prowls the streets and homes at night if he could to augment and eke out a bare survival for food/medical expenses. What has got to lose? If he were killed when scaffolding in a building collapses who will miss him? Those who are “illegals” are also targeted. If they are caught they are sent to over crowded detention camps where no one cares if one were sodomised, or went down with HINI or HIV. If they otherwise roam the streets and were stopped by the authorities, they have to pay a lot to avoid being sent to these detention camps. It would be more than what one would have to pay for a traffic offence. Hence they are a source of illicit income to many here, not to mention legitimate income from their cheap labour in their work. As always if one wants to address the problem one has to deal with those having vested interests in profiteering from this deluge of foreign workers. It is big bucks involved here. And we’re not even factoring the other class of “human traffickers, drug smugglers, and assorted terrorists in transit”.

]]> By: frankyapp http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198997 frankyapp Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:12:04 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198997 Even a child knows to hide his wrong doing.hence calling to set up an all party parlimentary committee to investigate Umnoputra's evil doing is hopeless. My suggestion to Tunku is,PR,right now,starting a national campaign to help and enlightening the rakyat,the evil that Umno/Bn have inflicted on the them ie the widespread of corruption is bankrupting the country and the people.That corruption must be addressed now right to the source and that source is Umnoputras and it's cronies.PR must lead ,set good example to assist the rakyat to rid off this evil thing.Hence it's time now for PR to buck up,less talk and walk the talk. Even a child knows to hide his wrong doing.hence calling to set up an all party parlimentary committee to investigate Umnoputra’s evil doing is hopeless. My suggestion to Tunku is,PR,right now,starting a national campaign to help and enlightening the rakyat,the evil that Umno/Bn have inflicted on the them ie the widespread of corruption is bankrupting the country and the people.That corruption must be addressed now right to the source and that source is Umnoputras and it’s cronies.PR must lead ,set good example to assist the rakyat to rid off this evil thing.Hence it’s time now for PR to buck up,less talk and walk the talk.

]]> By: Comrade http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198995 Comrade Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:56:31 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198995 My advice to Kasim Amat who wrote like an idiot is "Look before you leap." My advice to Kasim Amat who wrote like an idiot is “Look before you leap.”

]]> By: pwcheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198992 pwcheng Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:36:00 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198992 I think all of us has a job to do. We are all here to make Malaysia a better place for all Malaysians, but for Kassim Amat he is here to make a better place for Malays, probably not knowing that he is also a victim of UMNOnisation unless he has eaten so many ripe cherries without planting it, with compliments from UMNO. We respect each others view and hope we can agree to disagree. We can argue until the cow comes home but at the end of the day we want a good leader who can make changes for the good of the people. China will not be what is today if not for Teng Shiao Peng and probably Russia or even Germany will be be what is today if not for Gobachav, and Singapore will not be what is today if not for LKY. We hope we can have the same good leders as from records the past leaders having the same mental block policies has proven to be stumblimg blocks for our progress and we hope any policy changes must reflect on the well being of all Malaysians. Well of course some will agree with me and some will not. Thats how life is. I think all of us has a job to do. We are all here to make Malaysia a better place for all Malaysians, but for Kassim Amat he is here to make a better place for Malays, probably not knowing that he is also a victim of UMNOnisation unless he has eaten so many ripe cherries without planting it, with compliments from UMNO. We respect each others view and hope we can agree to disagree.
We can argue until the cow comes home but at the end of the day we want a good leader who can make changes for the good of the people. China will not be what is today if not for Teng Shiao Peng and probably Russia or even Germany will be be what is today if not for Gobachav, and Singapore will not be what is today if not for LKY.
We hope we can have the same good leders as from records the past leaders having the same mental block policies has proven to be stumblimg blocks for our progress and we hope any policy changes must reflect on the well being of all Malaysians. Well of course some will agree with me and some will not. Thats how life is.

]]> By: taiking http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198989 taiking Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:57:42 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198989 "A child needs proper nutrition to grow" doctor said exasperatingly to parents. "Not faeces!" ... sometimes basic sense too can go missing! “A child needs proper nutrition to grow” doctor said exasperatingly to parents. “Not faeces!”

… sometimes basic sense too can go missing!

]]> By: johnnypok http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198984 johnnypok Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:29:55 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198984 A classic example of how stupid a person like Mr. Ka Sim can be. A classic example of how stupid a person like Mr. Ka Sim can be.

]]> By: carboncopy http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198981 carboncopy Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:21:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198981 <blockquote cite="#commentbody-198973"> <strong><a href="#comment-198973" rel="nofollow">Kasim Amat</a> :</strong> I think Lim Kit Siang is trying to provoke a race senstive issue here by, first, saying that the country is purposedly driving away good brains and second, he referred these good brains to Chinese and Indians. What he was implying is that all the people left behind in this country, mainly Malays and other native people are not good and the country is going to collapse if this continue to happen. Lim Kit Siang, by implying this, is saying that the Malays and the natives are all mediocre people and only Chinese and Indians are good. This is a very serious insult to the Malays and the natives people and our leaders in UMNO.</blockquote> Since when did Uncle Kit ever says those leaving are Chinese and Indians or even imply as such? When did Uncle Kit ever says good brains are Chinese and Indians? Show your proof Kasim Amat! Brain drain is truly a Malaysian problem. Its colour blind and creed blind. Best of the best regardless of race and creed have left Malaysia since the 60s.

Kasim Amat :
I think Lim Kit Siang is trying to provoke a race senstive issue here by, first, saying that the country is purposedly driving away good brains and second, he referred these good brains to Chinese and Indians. What he was implying is that all the people left behind in this country, mainly Malays and other native people are not good and the country is going to collapse if this continue to happen. Lim Kit Siang, by implying this, is saying that the Malays and the natives are all mediocre people and only Chinese and Indians are good. This is a very serious insult to the Malays and the natives people and our leaders in UMNO.

Since when did Uncle Kit ever says those leaving are Chinese and Indians or even imply as such?

When did Uncle Kit ever says good brains are Chinese and Indians?

Show your proof Kasim Amat!

Brain drain is truly a Malaysian problem. Its colour blind and creed blind. Best of the best regardless of race and creed have left Malaysia since the 60s.

]]> By: pwcheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198979 pwcheng Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:12:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198979 Errata: the cancer is at stage 3 bordering on stage 3 should read as the cancer is at stage 2 bordering on stage 3 Errata: the cancer is at stage 3 bordering on stage 3 should read as the cancer is at stage 2 bordering on stage 3

]]> By: pwcheng http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198977 pwcheng Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:08:08 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198977 I concur with Tunku fully on your write up on "Our failed migrant labor policy" From my various encounters with the employers and their employees and foreign men/women on the street I think there could be millions of illegal immigrants swarming in the country. Entry to them is so simple whether through legal or illegal means. If through illegal means they just need to pay some money to the taikoh who apparently has the right connections to see them landing safely on the Malaysian soil. Legally, what they need is a social visit pass and once they are here 90% of them will lapse and will end up as illegal and these are fodders of opportunity for the enforcement scoundrels to exploit them and that is why some of them will take it out from some innocent Malaysian either for survival or to settle a score. What catches on my mind is: Is the BN government not aware of all these happening right under their nose. Is it that they do not know or they don’t want to know so as to allow their running boys to make some extra money? Just walk into any shops of any business, hawker center, market, small factories, wholesalers and retailers, etc, and you will be almost 100% certain that you will find at least an illegal working there. Even some have the tenacity to operate their stalls along some walkways or roadside. Sometimes the excuse is the enforcement is powerless to act as it involves too many agencies. The Question is why can’t the government set up a coordinating body to oversee this and put their act together. Honestly this gives me the impression that the government is providing opportunities for their running boys, big and small to make some fast bucks and this is the same in almost all the other government sectors, whereby the procedures and environment are made conducive for corruption to happen. I for one can give many examples of these and some are already in my blog regarding DBKL. (www.towardsgoodgovernance.blogspot.com), to substantiate what I said I will be putting more in my blog in due course. However to be fair to DBKL I think they have improved. I think it does help if more of these can be exposed and as I had mentioned before the cancer is at stage 3 bordering on stage 3 and if do not do anything now we are heading for disaster. We have to act fast and hope more will be there to lend a helping hand to come out with constructive criticism and we must thank our Tunku Aziz for that. I concur with Tunku fully on your write up on “Our failed migrant labor policy” From my various encounters with the employers and their employees and foreign men/women on the street I think there could be millions of illegal immigrants swarming in the country. Entry to them is so simple whether through legal or illegal means. If through illegal means they just need to pay some money to the taikoh who apparently has the right connections to see them landing safely on the Malaysian soil. Legally, what they need is a social visit pass and once they are here 90% of them will lapse and will end up as illegal and these are fodders of opportunity for the enforcement scoundrels to exploit them and that is why some of them will take it out from some innocent Malaysian either for survival or to settle a score.
What catches on my mind is: Is the BN government not aware of all these happening right under their nose. Is it that they do not know or they don’t want to know so as to allow their running boys to make some extra money?
Just walk into any shops of any business, hawker center, market, small factories, wholesalers and retailers, etc, and you will be almost 100% certain that you will find at least an illegal working there. Even some have the tenacity to operate their stalls along some walkways or roadside.
Sometimes the excuse is the enforcement is powerless to act as it involves too many agencies. The Question is why can’t the government set up a coordinating body to oversee this and put their act together.
Honestly this gives me the impression that the government is providing opportunities for their running boys, big and small to make some fast bucks and this is the same in almost all the other government sectors, whereby the procedures and environment are made conducive for corruption to happen. I for one can give many examples of these and some are already in my blog regarding DBKL. (www.towardsgoodgovernance.blogspot.com), to substantiate what I said I will be putting more in my blog in due course. However to be fair to DBKL I think they have improved. I think it does help if more of these can be exposed and as I had mentioned before the cancer is at stage 3 bordering on stage 3 and if do not do anything now we are heading for disaster. We have to act fast and hope more will be there to lend a helping hand to come out with constructive criticism and we must thank our Tunku Aziz for that.

]]> By: Godfather http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/12/02/our-failed-migrant-labour-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-198974 Godfather Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:56:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=6760#comment-198974 My former AP business partner Kasim Amat is at it again. Kasim, go read "Origin of species" by Charles Darwin, and try to understand why you UMNOputras are so keen on being a big fish in a small pond - which then inevitably leads to extinction because your gene pool becomes smaller and smaller. But if I know Kasim Amat, reading Charles Darwin would make him go into a tailspin.... My former AP business partner Kasim Amat is at it again. Kasim, go read “Origin of species” by Charles Darwin, and try to understand why you UMNOputras are so keen on being a big fish in a small pond – which then inevitably leads to extinction because your gene pool becomes smaller and smaller. But if I know Kasim Amat, reading Charles Darwin would make him go into a tailspin….

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