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	<title>Comments on: Strange, stranger, strangest &#8211; Chua is MCA deputy president</title>
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		<title>By: mauriyaII</title>
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		<dc:creator>mauriyaII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happened to see the photograph of the three shameless, unscrupulous MCA towkays on the front page of the Star today.

Their words and actions has confirmed the accepted notion that politicians are not only corrupted to the core but they cannot be trusted. The word &#039;intergrity&#039; is not in their dictionary.

When the nightmare of losing their positions in the party and at Cabinet level, they are only too willing to lick and suck whatever is thrust in their faces by the warlords in UMNO. All these are done with a straight face claiming to be in the larger interest of the MCA.

What has become of the MCA? What is the point of holding delegates conference or even holding a disciplinary meeting if the decisions taken are not worth the paper they are written on?

Why call for a AGM, EGM or whatever if the final outcome is decided by the PM, DPM and ROS at the behest of Mamak Mohamad Kutty?

Now the Mamak has called on the MCA to accept the latest political sandiwara orchestrated by him, PM and UMNO as the finale in the MCA&#039;s power struggle. 

The MCA towkays have always been under the thumb of Mamak and UMNO. Isn&#039;t there even a wish to be out of the clutches of the UMNO warlords who want the towkays to work and enrich them?

Is there such a paucity of credible, sincere and leaders with intergrity among the members in MCA that they have to accept tainted and power crazy leaders even after being thrown out by the delegates?

Is MCA going to be ever under the thumbs of the UMNO warlords even if it means that they will be emasculated and looking for the crumbs from the largesse that they themselves created for UMNO?

Wake up MCA members. Don&#039;t be like the lapdogs in MIC, GERAKAN, PPP and the newly minted MMSP. You are much more in stature and strength than those miniscule parties.

Don&#039;t become a ball to be kicked about. Stand up and be counted for intergrity and your rights. Don&#039;t let your future genetations spit on you for giving up your rights and losing face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happened to see the photograph of the three shameless, unscrupulous MCA towkays on the front page of the Star today.</p>
<p>Their words and actions has confirmed the accepted notion that politicians are not only corrupted to the core but they cannot be trusted. The word &#8216;intergrity&#8217; is not in their dictionary.</p>
<p>When the nightmare of losing their positions in the party and at Cabinet level, they are only too willing to lick and suck whatever is thrust in their faces by the warlords in UMNO. All these are done with a straight face claiming to be in the larger interest of the MCA.</p>
<p>What has become of the MCA? What is the point of holding delegates conference or even holding a disciplinary meeting if the decisions taken are not worth the paper they are written on?</p>
<p>Why call for a AGM, EGM or whatever if the final outcome is decided by the PM, DPM and ROS at the behest of Mamak Mohamad Kutty?</p>
<p>Now the Mamak has called on the MCA to accept the latest political sandiwara orchestrated by him, PM and UMNO as the finale in the MCA&#8217;s power struggle. </p>
<p>The MCA towkays have always been under the thumb of Mamak and UMNO. Isn&#8217;t there even a wish to be out of the clutches of the UMNO warlords who want the towkays to work and enrich them?</p>
<p>Is there such a paucity of credible, sincere and leaders with intergrity among the members in MCA that they have to accept tainted and power crazy leaders even after being thrown out by the delegates?</p>
<p>Is MCA going to be ever under the thumbs of the UMNO warlords even if it means that they will be emasculated and looking for the crumbs from the largesse that they themselves created for UMNO?</p>
<p>Wake up MCA members. Don&#8217;t be like the lapdogs in MIC, GERAKAN, PPP and the newly minted MMSP. You are much more in stature and strength than those miniscule parties.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t become a ball to be kicked about. Stand up and be counted for intergrity and your rights. Don&#8217;t let your future genetations spit on you for giving up your rights and losing face.</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
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		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahahaha....Govt also got power over private association  or party election results.
Hi....thousands of Associations...remember...win by one vote is nonsense. Must win by 2/3.
Apply this..all general elections are null and void...and Najib  certainly ...is not PM by two third majority.
Ah...they say....that is different story......hahahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahahaha&#8230;.Govt also got power over private association  or party election results.<br />
Hi&#8230;.thousands of Associations&#8230;remember&#8230;win by one vote is nonsense. Must win by 2/3.<br />
Apply this..all general elections are null and void&#8230;and Najib  certainly &#8230;is not PM by two third majority.<br />
Ah&#8230;they say&#8230;.that is different story&#8230;&#8230;hahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: ringthetill</title>
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		<dc:creator>ringthetill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wah, this MCA opera show is getting very &#039;keat&#039;, &#039;hebat&#039; in malay. The ink on the script is not even a chance to dry. We are now in Act 3 Scene 4, and in the next act will have both the PM and DPM wading into the show. Ha, ha, ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wah, this MCA opera show is getting very &#8216;keat&#8217;, &#8216;hebat&#8217; in malay. The ink on the script is not even a chance to dry. We are now in Act 3 Scene 4, and in the next act will have both the PM and DPM wading into the show. Ha, ha, ha.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
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		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup Jef I too doubt BN is registered as a body under the Societies Act. Never heard of any BN meeting before nor any election of its office holders. Any idea, anyone? The office bearers of BN, who are they? If that is in fact so then it does seem like BN is after all an unofficial collection/grouping of political parties - a somewhat (shall I call it(?)) &quot;permanent ad-hoc body&quot;. How odd! Such grouping is a non-entity in the eyes of the law. It is incapable of holding or owing anything. So who owns that BN logo - that weighing scale we all have after 50 yrs come to dread and despise? And strangely BN has been holding itself out as an entity all these times. Have we been duped to this extent and for so long?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup Jef I too doubt BN is registered as a body under the Societies Act. Never heard of any BN meeting before nor any election of its office holders. Any idea, anyone? The office bearers of BN, who are they? If that is in fact so then it does seem like BN is after all an unofficial collection/grouping of political parties &#8211; a somewhat (shall I call it(?)) &#8220;permanent ad-hoc body&#8221;. How odd! Such grouping is a non-entity in the eyes of the law. It is incapable of holding or owing anything. So who owns that BN logo &#8211; that weighing scale we all have after 50 yrs come to dread and despise? And strangely BN has been holding itself out as an entity all these times. Have we been duped to this extent and for so long?</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps If thats the intent, it will, in circumstances of Pakatan Rakyat being registered a political society, give the ROS plenty of leverage/leeway to arbiter on content and meaning of rights and powers and obligations between PKR, PAS and DAP inter-se within PR, and to play one against the other just like what happened in MCA….&quot; - Jeffrey

Instead of letting the ROS having any power to mess up the PR, it would be better for them to remain a loose coalition.
Even then, they can have a common constitution among them. The most important thing is to work well and to work with honour among themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps If thats the intent, it will, in circumstances of Pakatan Rakyat being registered a political society, give the ROS plenty of leverage/leeway to arbiter on content and meaning of rights and powers and obligations between PKR, PAS and DAP inter-se within PR, and to play one against the other just like what happened in MCA….&#8221; &#8211; Jeffrey</p>
<p>Instead of letting the ROS having any power to mess up the PR, it would be better for them to remain a loose coalition.<br />
Even then, they can have a common constitution among them. The most important thing is to work well and to work with honour among themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-2/#comment-197186</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 by OrangRojak - &quot;...they call the Rising Sun
And it’s been the ruin ..of many a poor boy
And God.. know..I’m one”.

That makes Pakatan Rakyat - &quot;the Animals&quot;! Hahaha.

When Election Commissioner says, PR you can use common logo if you register first...&quot; did the Election Commissioner suggest you register the common logo with Election Commission or they ask you register as a society under Societies Act - which is th case?

If the case of the latter, which I doubt, why don&#039;t you ask Election Commissioner - what about BN&#039;s use of the dacing logo without having BN registered as a political society under Societies Act??? How can there be different treatment in view of article 8(1) federal Constitution requiring equality before the law including elections laws for all?

Or PR has some other agenda - trying to iron out the differences between disparate parties like PAS vs DAP by having common constitution for all 3 registered with the Registrar of Societies (ROS)? Or the “Rising Sun” flag of Imperial Japan like DAP&#039;s rising Rocket to cast a solar eclipse on PAS&#039;s full moon or PKR&#039;s half moon? Perhaps If thats the intent, it will, in circumstances of Pakatan Rakyat being registered a political society, give the ROS plenty of leverage/leeway to arbiter on content and meaning of rights and powers and obligations between PKR, PAS and DAP inter-se within PR, and to play one against the other just like what happened in MCA....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 by OrangRojak &#8211; &#8220;&#8230;they call the Rising Sun<br />
And it’s been the ruin ..of many a poor boy<br />
And God.. know..I’m one”.</p>
<p>That makes Pakatan Rakyat &#8211; &#8220;the Animals&#8221;! Hahaha.</p>
<p>When Election Commissioner says, PR you can use common logo if you register first&#8230;&#8221; did the Election Commissioner suggest you register the common logo with Election Commission or they ask you register as a society under Societies Act &#8211; which is th case?</p>
<p>If the case of the latter, which I doubt, why don&#8217;t you ask Election Commissioner &#8211; what about BN&#8217;s use of the dacing logo without having BN registered as a political society under Societies Act??? How can there be different treatment in view of article 8(1) federal Constitution requiring equality before the law including elections laws for all?</p>
<p>Or PR has some other agenda &#8211; trying to iron out the differences between disparate parties like PAS vs DAP by having common constitution for all 3 registered with the Registrar of Societies (ROS)? Or the “Rising Sun” flag of Imperial Japan like DAP&#8217;s rising Rocket to cast a solar eclipse on PAS&#8217;s full moon or PKR&#8217;s half moon? Perhaps If thats the intent, it will, in circumstances of Pakatan Rakyat being registered a political society, give the ROS plenty of leverage/leeway to arbiter on content and meaning of rights and powers and obligations between PKR, PAS and DAP inter-se within PR, and to play one against the other just like what happened in MCA&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-2/#comment-197183</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody got a link to an image of the alleged &#039;rising sun&#039; logo of Pakatan Rakyat? Is it very different to the &quot;Rising Sun&quot; flag of Imperial Japan? Perhaps to avoid unfortunate historical connotations, it could be referred to in communications as the &quot;Sunrise&quot; flag. &quot;New Dawn&quot; might also be unfortunate, given that Fiji has pipped you to the post on that one. I couldn&#039;t recommend &quot;Morning Glory&quot; either - well, as a flag name anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody got a link to an image of the alleged &#8216;rising sun&#8217; logo of Pakatan Rakyat? Is it very different to the &#8220;Rising Sun&#8221; flag of Imperial Japan? Perhaps to avoid unfortunate historical connotations, it could be referred to in communications as the &#8220;Sunrise&#8221; flag. &#8220;New Dawn&#8221; might also be unfortunate, given that Fiji has pipped you to the post on that one. I couldn&#8217;t recommend &#8220;Morning Glory&#8221; either &#8211; well, as a flag name anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: ReformMalaysia</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformMalaysia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;MCA civil war/&#039;Perang Saudara&#039; continues.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;MCA civil war/&#8217;Perang Saudara&#8217; continues&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-2/#comment-197181</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rising sun?
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...they call the Rising Sun
And it&#039;s been the ruin
of many a poor boy
And God
I know
I&#039;m one&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KbOhVO6jVQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rising sun?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;they call the Rising Sun<br />
And it&#8217;s been the ruin<br />
of many a poor boy<br />
And God<br />
I know<br />
I&#8217;m one&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KbOhVO6jVQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KbOhVO6jVQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-2/#comment-197179</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for many typo errors in my post #50 on page 1. Just fed up with what I don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for many typo errors in my post #50 on page 1. Just fed up with what I don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-2/#comment-197178</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget PR&#039;s 308 GE victory was achieved without comon logo and without the coalition of 3 being registered as a political society under the Societies Act!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget PR&#8217;s 308 GE victory was achieved without comon logo and without the coalition of 3 being registered as a political society under the Societies Act!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-1/#comment-197177</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of what is happening to Liow, and the way ROS flexes its muscles, I am surprsied that Pakatan Rakyat is still proceeding to register the opposition as a political society subjecting yourself to the regime of ROS.

This is what The MalaysiaInsider Nov 4 reported: &#039;The Malaysian Insider understands that officials from the PR alliance handed in their application to be made a formal coalition to the Registrar of Societies (ROS) some time earlier this week. According to government sources, some 10 names each from DAP, PAS and PKR were listed in the registration form, together with a list of common objectives, which are expected to be laid out when the alliance holds its first convention next month. A logo bearing a “rising sun” was also tendered — signalling a “new dawn” for the country — as the fledgling opposition front&#039;s symbol against BN&#039;s dacing, or scale. The PR bloc believes its application this time will pass muster, based on the new stand taken by the Registrar of Societies Datuk Md Alias Kalil. Md Alias had publicly stated that the previous reading of Section 2 of the Societies Act 1966, which states any coalition of political parties must have at least seven political parties as members to be registered did not apply.&#039;

See link:
http://www3.themalaysianinsider.com/lite/articles_headlines.php?id=malaysia/42253-pakatan-finally-applies-to-be-formal-coalition.

I wish now to reiterate :

1. ROS made flip-flop decisions. At beginning, he said they could not decide on who&#039;s deputy president. Then all of a sudden before the MCA CC meeting, he officially decided. Doesn&#039;t this hint of political influence? who is ROS&#039;s boss? You want PR to be regulated by ROS who in turn is under Home Minister? In other wards PR to be under BN&#039;s Minister of Home Affairs&#039; regultory regime??? That&#039;s very clever on PR&#039;s part!

2. &quot;A logo bearing a “rising sun” was also tendered — signalling a “new dawn” for the country — as the fledgling opposition front&#039;s symbol against BN&#039;s dacing, or scale.&quot; - MalaysiaInsider.

I can understand a common logo will help campaigning - as in Bagan Pinang. Must the Question is: To have a comon logo must you register the whole PR coalition as a political Society?

Correct me if I am wrong on this but my general impression is that BN&#039;s dacing was registered with the Elections Comission and BN itself is not registered as a political society under ROS&#039;s regulatory regime. 

Unless I am wrong on either score, why is it, for the sake of a conmon logo, that PR must go to such extent of registering itself as a political society and be subject to ROS&#039;s, and by extension your political opponent, the Home Minister&#039;s indirect governance when:

(a) you jolly well know that BN is nopw probing all your weaknesses to save itself since it cannot re-invent fast enough;

(b) BN itself is not regsitered under Societies Act but you PR chooses to do so (As they say fools rush in where angles fear to tread!) and

(c) what happens in MCA, the ROS&#039;s interference and Liows predicament have all happened to warn you of the prospects you face in similar situation?

I cannot for the life of me understand the course PR is taking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of what is happening to Liow, and the way ROS flexes its muscles, I am surprsied that Pakatan Rakyat is still proceeding to register the opposition as a political society subjecting yourself to the regime of ROS.</p>
<p>This is what The MalaysiaInsider Nov 4 reported: &#8216;The Malaysian Insider understands that officials from the PR alliance handed in their application to be made a formal coalition to the Registrar of Societies (ROS) some time earlier this week. According to government sources, some 10 names each from DAP, PAS and PKR were listed in the registration form, together with a list of common objectives, which are expected to be laid out when the alliance holds its first convention next month. A logo bearing a “rising sun” was also tendered — signalling a “new dawn” for the country — as the fledgling opposition front&#8217;s symbol against BN&#8217;s dacing, or scale. The PR bloc believes its application this time will pass muster, based on the new stand taken by the Registrar of Societies Datuk Md Alias Kalil. Md Alias had publicly stated that the previous reading of Section 2 of the Societies Act 1966, which states any coalition of political parties must have at least seven political parties as members to be registered did not apply.&#8217;</p>
<p>See link:<br />
<a href="http://www3.themalaysianinsider.com/lite/articles_headlines.php?id=malaysia/42253-pakatan-finally-applies-to-be-formal-coalition" rel="nofollow">http://www3.themalaysianinsider.com/lite/articles_headlines.php?id=malaysia/42253-pakatan-finally-applies-to-be-formal-coalition</a>.</p>
<p>I wish now to reiterate :</p>
<p>1. ROS made flip-flop decisions. At beginning, he said they could not decide on who&#8217;s deputy president. Then all of a sudden before the MCA CC meeting, he officially decided. Doesn&#8217;t this hint of political influence? who is ROS&#8217;s boss? You want PR to be regulated by ROS who in turn is under Home Minister? In other wards PR to be under BN&#8217;s Minister of Home Affairs&#8217; regultory regime??? That&#8217;s very clever on PR&#8217;s part!</p>
<p>2. &#8220;A logo bearing a “rising sun” was also tendered — signalling a “new dawn” for the country — as the fledgling opposition front&#8217;s symbol against BN&#8217;s dacing, or scale.&#8221; &#8211; MalaysiaInsider.</p>
<p>I can understand a common logo will help campaigning &#8211; as in Bagan Pinang. Must the Question is: To have a comon logo must you register the whole PR coalition as a political Society?</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong on this but my general impression is that BN&#8217;s dacing was registered with the Elections Comission and BN itself is not registered as a political society under ROS&#8217;s regulatory regime. </p>
<p>Unless I am wrong on either score, why is it, for the sake of a conmon logo, that PR must go to such extent of registering itself as a political society and be subject to ROS&#8217;s, and by extension your political opponent, the Home Minister&#8217;s indirect governance when:</p>
<p>(a) you jolly well know that BN is nopw probing all your weaknesses to save itself since it cannot re-invent fast enough;</p>
<p>(b) BN itself is not regsitered under Societies Act but you PR chooses to do so (As they say fools rush in where angles fear to tread!) and</p>
<p>(c) what happens in MCA, the ROS&#8217;s interference and Liows predicament have all happened to warn you of the prospects you face in similar situation?</p>
<p>I cannot for the life of me understand the course PR is taking!</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m homesick &quot;Sorry old chap, you can&#039;t lie at people&#039;s faces here&quot;:
http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17542-palm-oil-ad-banned-in-britain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m homesick &#8220;Sorry old chap, you can&#8217;t lie at people&#8217;s faces here&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17542-palm-oil-ad-banned-in-britain" rel="nofollow">http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17542-palm-oil-ad-banned-in-britain</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liow wants to go to the courts to seek a declaration against ROS decision. He will argue on section 18C. 18C says that for a political society, its “decision or any person authorized by it or by its constitution or rules or regulations made thereunder on the interpretation of its constitution, rules or regulations or on any matter relating to the affairs of the party shall be final and conclusive and such decision shall not be challenged, appealed against, reviewed, quashed or called in question in any court on any ground, and no court shall have jurisdiction to entertain or determine any suit, application, question or proceeding on any ground regarding the validity of such decision.” Liow will argue that he’s not asking Courts to challenge political party MCA’s decision; he will argue he is merely seeking a declaration that Registrar of Societies (ROS) is acting outside his powers under societies Act to decide on who should be Deputy President of MCA; that he is not challenging political party MCA’s decision but challenging the ROS’s determination of who is Deputy President, thereby superimposing his determination over the Party’s!

Liow will lose based on existing law. Perhaps he is trying to boost morale of his supporters but whatever objections he raises had already been covered in 2003 Court of Appeal ruling in the case of P.V.DAS for PPP against ROS and M. Kayveas. It won’t work. The argument is:

1.	Parliament intends by 18C to exclude court’s interference in and adjudication of political society’ internal affairs.

2.	When political society’s internal affairs are turbulent with office bearers engaged in intra-Party fighting without being able to resolve the issue within the Party itself, definitely they will need an outside arbiter to help resolve;

3.	Since the outside arbiter cannot be the courts because 18C says Courts cannot interfere with a internal affairs of a political party, it is natural that the arbiter will be the Regulator, in this case the Registrar of Societies since the political party is a registered political society under ROS regulatory regime.

4.	To allow Liow (as earlier case P.V.DAS) to go to Court to challenge and overturn ROS’s decision favouring Chua in MCA (and Kayveas in earlier case) will tantamount to allowing courts to (back door) indirectly interfere with the internal affairs of a political party which 18 C expressly says courts cannot (front door) directly interfere. By extension, to allow Liow (as earlier case P.V.DAS) to go to Court to challenge and overturn ROS’s decision favouring Chua in MCA (and Kayveas in earlier case) will tantamount to thwarting the will and intent of Parliament not to allow courts’ interference (direct or indirect) of internal affairs of political society.

On these grounds Liow’s application to Court to challenge ROS will not be entertained. Neither could he likely resolve this leadership struggle matter even if CC member Wong Nai Chee’s prediction that the extraordinary general meeting (EGM) of MCA would &quot;definitely happen&quot;. This is because the delegates’ support from Ong Tee Kiat and Chua Soi Lek is likely to overwhelm that of Liow.

 Because legitimacy of law, courts are thrown to doubts by cases like what happened in Perak Legislative Assembly having two MBs and two Speakers, so in MCA case, there may emerge a phenomenon of 2 deputy Presidents continuing their struggle, whatever the Courts say on section 18C of the Societies Act….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liow wants to go to the courts to seek a declaration against ROS decision. He will argue on section 18C. 18C says that for a political society, its “decision or any person authorized by it or by its constitution or rules or regulations made thereunder on the interpretation of its constitution, rules or regulations or on any matter relating to the affairs of the party shall be final and conclusive and such decision shall not be challenged, appealed against, reviewed, quashed or called in question in any court on any ground, and no court shall have jurisdiction to entertain or determine any suit, application, question or proceeding on any ground regarding the validity of such decision.” Liow will argue that he’s not asking Courts to challenge political party MCA’s decision; he will argue he is merely seeking a declaration that Registrar of Societies (ROS) is acting outside his powers under societies Act to decide on who should be Deputy President of MCA; that he is not challenging political party MCA’s decision but challenging the ROS’s determination of who is Deputy President, thereby superimposing his determination over the Party’s!</p>
<p>Liow will lose based on existing law. Perhaps he is trying to boost morale of his supporters but whatever objections he raises had already been covered in 2003 Court of Appeal ruling in the case of P.V.DAS for PPP against ROS and M. Kayveas. It won’t work. The argument is:</p>
<p>1.	Parliament intends by 18C to exclude court’s interference in and adjudication of political society’ internal affairs.</p>
<p>2.	When political society’s internal affairs are turbulent with office bearers engaged in intra-Party fighting without being able to resolve the issue within the Party itself, definitely they will need an outside arbiter to help resolve;</p>
<p>3.	Since the outside arbiter cannot be the courts because 18C says Courts cannot interfere with a internal affairs of a political party, it is natural that the arbiter will be the Regulator, in this case the Registrar of Societies since the political party is a registered political society under ROS regulatory regime.</p>
<p>4.	To allow Liow (as earlier case P.V.DAS) to go to Court to challenge and overturn ROS’s decision favouring Chua in MCA (and Kayveas in earlier case) will tantamount to allowing courts to (back door) indirectly interfere with the internal affairs of a political party which 18 C expressly says courts cannot (front door) directly interfere. By extension, to allow Liow (as earlier case P.V.DAS) to go to Court to challenge and overturn ROS’s decision favouring Chua in MCA (and Kayveas in earlier case) will tantamount to thwarting the will and intent of Parliament not to allow courts’ interference (direct or indirect) of internal affairs of political society.</p>
<p>On these grounds Liow’s application to Court to challenge ROS will not be entertained. Neither could he likely resolve this leadership struggle matter even if CC member Wong Nai Chee’s prediction that the extraordinary general meeting (EGM) of MCA would &#8220;definitely happen&#8221;. This is because the delegates’ support from Ong Tee Kiat and Chua Soi Lek is likely to overwhelm that of Liow.</p>
<p> Because legitimacy of law, courts are thrown to doubts by cases like what happened in Perak Legislative Assembly having two MBs and two Speakers, so in MCA case, there may emerge a phenomenon of 2 deputy Presidents continuing their struggle, whatever the Courts say on section 18C of the Societies Act….</p>
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		<title>By: tenaciousB</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-1/#comment-197174</link>
		<dc:creator>tenaciousB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nutin like malaysia la, we got porn stars, murderers and so on as leaders..wuhooo. malaysia boleh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nutin like malaysia la, we got porn stars, murderers and so on as leaders..wuhooo. malaysia boleh!</p>
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		<title>By: OrangRojak</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-1/#comment-197173</link>
		<dc:creator>OrangRojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;like a film star-lah&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Oh how we laughed!
http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17544-qsorry-for-whatq-asks-johor-mp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;like a film star-lah&#8221;</i><br />
Oh how we laughed!<br />
<a href="http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17544-qsorry-for-whatq-asks-johor-mp" rel="nofollow">http://www.malaysianmirror.com/homedetail/45-home/17544-qsorry-for-whatq-asks-johor-mp</a></p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-1/#comment-197171</link>
		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Kuok sold (or selling?) perlis plant. Is he selling federal floor and shangrila as well? Is there something about the country&#039;s economy which we dont know?

Oh dear oh dear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Kuok sold (or selling?) perlis plant. Is he selling federal floor and shangrila as well? Is there something about the country&#8217;s economy which we dont know?</p>
<p>Oh dear oh dear.</p>
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		<title>By: tenaciousB</title>
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		<dc:creator>tenaciousB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually MCA was rebranded recently it&#039;s called (oneMCA).

to be honest, UMNO rebranded MIC and MCA since they lost miserably in the last elections. Ther1efore UMNO has renamed it&#039;s dogs 1MCA and 1MIC. Rumour has it, 1MCA had a freak accident and isn&#039;t gonna recover and so will be put down. UMNO went to the SPCA and are thinking of adopting another dog called makhal sakhthi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually MCA was rebranded recently it&#8217;s called (oneMCA).</p>
<p>to be honest, UMNO rebranded MIC and MCA since they lost miserably in the last elections. Ther1efore UMNO has renamed it&#8217;s dogs 1MCA and 1MIC. Rumour has it, 1MCA had a freak accident and isn&#8217;t gonna recover and so will be put down. UMNO went to the SPCA and are thinking of adopting another dog called makhal sakhthi.</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/11/03/strange-stranger-strangest-chua-is-mca-deputy-president/comment-page-1/#comment-197169</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The day may soon come when the ROS splits mca into numerous parties, such as &quot;MCA Baru&quot;, &quot;MCA Terbaru&quot;, &quot;MCA Lagi Baru&quot;, &quot;MCA Lebih Baru Lagi&quot;, &quot;MCA Sikit Lagi Baru&quot;, &quot;MCA Baru Lagi Moden&quot;, &quot;MCA Lebih Moden Lagi&quot;, ect. The same goes for MIC, Gerakan and PPP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day may soon come when the ROS splits mca into numerous parties, such as &#8220;MCA Baru&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Terbaru&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Lagi Baru&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Lebih Baru Lagi&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Sikit Lagi Baru&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Baru Lagi Moden&#8221;, &#8220;MCA Lebih Moden Lagi&#8221;, ect. The same goes for MIC, Gerakan and PPP</p>
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		<title>By: undertaker888</title>
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		<dc:creator>undertaker888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In chinese believes, all names have meanings. Put them all together, they have greater meaning....here goes..

Chua Soi Lek
Ong Tee Keat
Chor Chee Hueng
Gan Hon Su
Liow Tiong Lai
Wee Ka Siong

In a bit cantonese, mandarin and mostly hokkien words, in english it sounds like:

&quot;The Snake slithers back to the emperor and strengthen the emperor&#039;s position. Those who tried to be in the way of the emperor (chor chi Huang-cantonese+mandarin), they lost trying to fcuk the emperor off (Kan Ong Soo), including Liow who comes in the middle of things trying to take advantage, suffers injuries all over. (k-Wee Kah Siong)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In chinese believes, all names have meanings. Put them all together, they have greater meaning&#8230;.here goes..</p>
<p>Chua Soi Lek<br />
Ong Tee Keat<br />
Chor Chee Hueng<br />
Gan Hon Su<br />
Liow Tiong Lai<br />
Wee Ka Siong</p>
<p>In a bit cantonese, mandarin and mostly hokkien words, in english it sounds like:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Snake slithers back to the emperor and strengthen the emperor&#8217;s position. Those who tried to be in the way of the emperor (chor chi Huang-cantonese+mandarin), they lost trying to fcuk the emperor off (Kan Ong Soo), including Liow who comes in the middle of things trying to take advantage, suffers injuries all over. (k-Wee Kah Siong)&#8221;</p>
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