From http://twitter.com/limkitsiang
What a National Day on Monday! Najib’s 1Malaysia gets drubbing in Permatang Pasir. MCA sacks ChuaSoiLek. SamyVellu in MIC. H1N1 – 71 deaths
27th August 2009 07:37 AM
What a 52nd National Day!
From http://twitter.com/limkitsiang
What a National Day on Monday! Najib’s 1Malaysia gets drubbing in Permatang Pasir. MCA sacks ChuaSoiLek. SamyVellu in MIC. H1N1 – 71 deaths
27th August 2009 07:37 AM
#1 by Loh on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 7:07 pm
///If I were to go to TDM’s site, the only issue I can say about him is that he is protecting Malays too much, in a way he is kinda like a racist. But look at him as a statesman … not even international journalists have been able ot take him on. Say what we want about him, he did prosper the nation and I saw so many Average Joe making big bucks.///– SpeakUp
If that is all he could talk about TDM for abusing his power all 22 years, and yet he has so much to talk about LKS who has not been in power for even a day, I suppose we can guess what he represents.
#2 by ktteokt on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 7:22 pm
BN has lost all by-elections in the peninsula. This is a total disgrace and DEFEAT – AND HOW TO BEAR WITH IT TILL NEXT GE should be the theme for this year’s Merdeka celebration!
#3 by Onlooker Politics on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 8:03 pm
YB Kit,
I think it is not so appropriate for you to make further comment on Chua Soi Lek’s being sacked by MCA. This is MCA’s internal party affair and as an opposing party leader, it is much better for you to adopt the “no comment” attitude. It is the Chinese philosophy that one should try to avoid getting too much involved in other people’s family business, unless you are invited by both fighting parties to serve as a mediator!
Also please don’t ever try to invite CSL to join DAP! His family members got too many scandals in Batu Pahat. He could be the box office ticketing room poison for DAP if he ever joins DAP, now or later! He is too close to Dr. Ling Liong Sik and Najib for DAP’s comfort, or even for Pakatan Rakyat’s comfort!
#4 by Onlooker Politics on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 8:28 pm
Speakup,
It seems that you were one of the well-doing beneficiaries of Dr. Mahathir’s high gearing debt-financing money-squandering economic policy. Since you are a law practitioner, you must have gotten a lot of engagement offers as the panel lawyer of Pro-Umno housing developers during Dr. Mahathir’s rule.
If you dare to call YB Kit “gutless”, why don’t you dare to suggest in this blog on what LGE can do in Penang in order to benefit you and also benefit others as well? I believe not only I myself but many other DAP supporters would like to hear about the best suggestion which you can offer to Penangites as well as other Malaysians!
But please don’t ever ask LGE to build more condominiums in Penang and appoint you as a conveyancing lawyer. We Malaysians need some other development projects which will use no debt-financing in order to help us get out of the debt-ridden situation created by the former BN state government!
#5 by vsp on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 8:48 pm
Speakup:
Come election time if Pakatan chooses the same rotten representatives, then you can whack them for all I care. I hope there would be more quality people, not people such as Zakaria Nordin, Wee Choo Keong, Hassan Ali and some other idiots.
Pakatan, please note.
Onlooker:
Aye, Chua Soi Lek is definitely a toxic product.
#6 by Loh on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 8:57 pm
///????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????///– ??-DangMok, malaysiakini
That is the type of MCA deputy leader of Puchong Division who chose to carry the balls of UMNO Chief. He is fighting for CSL in trying to organize an emergency meeting to work against MCA president. Unless these MCA supporters of CSL think that CSL is the best they can elect to represent them they have no reason to act the way they did. If they truly believed that CSL is the savior of MCA, then it would be better for MCA to be disbanded. A person who has to compromise because of personal faults has no time for the Chinese community, and as leader of Chinese community, his character would be taken as what the community would emulate. Do the Chinese want their children to argue that if CSL with all the failings which he considered the only appropriate reason was to quit his post, there is no need for personal integrity? Is that the race the Chinese community wants their descendants to end up with?
#7 by veddy.lum74 on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 9:22 pm
yes,MCA is now sinking,subsequently,it will be Umno’s turn!
i dont take a damn look at mosquito party like MIC or PPP,thy are parasites of BN:Barisan Najis!
#8 by veddy.lum74 on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 9:32 pm
i m giving you ppl some clues,najis will very soon declare that all BN component parties are united into only one party,no more UMNO,MCA ,Gerakan or PPP,the party is called:1MalaysiaParty!
i m giving you ppl some clues,najis will very soon declare that all BN component parties are united into only one party,no more UMNO,MCA ,Gerakan or PPP,the party is called:1MalaysiaParty!
i m giving you ppl some clues,najis will very soon declare that all BN component parties are united into only one party,no more UMNO,MCA ,Gerakan or PPP,the party is called:1MalaysiaParty!
i m giving you ppl some clues,najis will very soon declare that all BN component parties are united into only one party,no more UMNO,MCA ,Gerakan or PPP,the party is called:1MalaysiaParty!
if najis dont do it,PR can well assure of their victory on13th GE,no one is going to vote for MIC,Bersatu or PPP anymore,the BN will be completely flattened!
by uniting the parties,BN still got some slim hopes!
NAJIS,ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT?OR KJ didnt tell you,he didnt tell you bcos you are not his FIL!!!LOL LOL LOL
#9 by Onlooker Politics on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 10:26 pm
“yes,MCA is now sinking” (veddy.lum74)
veddy, I think you jump into the conclusion too early at the present stage! I see MCA’s internal rife quite differently — it is the clash between the English-educated faction and the Chinese-educated faction.
As far as I know, there are lesser and lesser Malaysians who are purely English-educated due to the decease of the old English-educated generations without being replaced with the new English-educated generation. It is almost impossible for us to find new English-educated generation in Malaysia nowadays unless we talk about the generation which have received their elementary school education or secondary school education in English-speaking foreign countries like England, Australia, Canada or Singapore. Since Chua Soi Lek represented the declining English-educated generations of MCA, the sacking of Chua Soi Lek by MCA is not likely to create a great impact on MCA, except for the case that it may displease Najib because Chua Soi Lek is the appointed Special Ambassador of Najib for coordinating the cooperations among Barisan Nasional component parties.
By sacking Chua Soi Lek, Ong Tee Keat has successfully made one big leap forward in his political advent because he is able to prove to the public in general and to MCA members in particular, that he himself is a brave MCA president who dares to defy Najib by challenging Najib’s appointing Chua Soi Lek as a Special Ambassador who was made to report duty directly to Najib.
Please do bear in mind that Ong Tee Keat is an eloquent Chinese essay writer. With the assistance of another eloquent Chinese essay writer, Professor Dr. Hou Kok Chung, Ong Tee Keat will most likely be able to strengthen his party position with the strong support coming from the majority party members who are mostly Chinese-educated.
DAP has neglected to develop a strong leadership team who can write eloquently in Chinese and Malay. Frankly speaking, when I tried to browse Lim Kit Siang’s Chinese blogsite, most often I found that YB Lim’s personal aide had not been able to update the Chinese blogsite regularly and the messages posted were usually too long out-dated!
If DAP cannot even afford an up-to-date Chinese blogsite, I wonder how DAP is going to compete with MCA for the support from the vast majority of Chinese Malaysians who are basically Chinese-speaking! Not to mention that to expect DAP to have a well-versed Malay blogsite is just an exorbitant luxury for most Malaysian people to dream of!
#10 by Theman56 on Thursday, 27 August 2009 - 11:59 pm
What a crap government, I just read in malaysiakini that it is possible theoratically to catch hepatitis C in a hair salon. I wonder what has the Ministry of Health has been doing all this time and being so negligent? There are no government controls and monitoring in the hair cutting industry that no one really cares about the spread of the virus. This is just great! Where are the unlucky people who might have caught the virus because of not disinfecting the equipment going to get the money for the liver transplant or are the ministers going to donate their livers for the donors list. Man they have to seriously wake up and do their jobs!
#11 by tenaciousB on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:05 am
‘onlooker politics’ you sound like a chinese educated fraction. lol
#12 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:13 am
DAP is trying to distance itself as a Chinese party. If it wants to write in classical Chinese, I don’t think it is at all a problem. Apparently, most Malaysian Chinese are real bananas… yellow outside, but white inside, thanks to Malaysian education policy. Now that China is picking up, awwww…..
I am trying to start a website, “Learn Chinese”. Anyone interested?
#13 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:17 am
Don’t think it will be called 1MalaysiaParty. It will be called 1MalaySia-siaParty.
#14 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:28 am
If I were Prime Minister, all I need to do to get Malaysia out of debt is to beef up the Inland Revenue Department and go after all the UMNOputras and other BNputras.
As someone mentions in this blog, when you fight corruption, corruption fights back. So forgive me for maintaining ISA for 5 years, maybe three. That would be enough time for me to clean up Malaysia. After that, I will abolish ISA, can?
But let me warn you…. you won’t be seeing me for at least 3 years after I become Prime Minister… unless you want to see your Prime Minister at the bottom of some 14-storey building, LOL.
#15 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:30 am
Thank you Taxidriver for suggesting I see Dr M. My toes miraculously stop creaking, LOL.
#16 by OrangRojak on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:02 am
为什么学习汉语？谷歌可以翻译！
Sorry, sorry, forgot where I was…
Mengapa belajar bahasa cina? Google dapat menerjemahkan!
Now if only my local nasi ayam guy gets a free wireless access point, I can finally order something different to eat…
#17 by OrangRojak on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:05 am
Oof. That doesn’t look right. Is it … fail?
#18 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 4:41 am
“Menerjemahkan” is the spelling that is prescribed by the rules laid down by Dewan Bahasa but this spelling is not acceptable by common usage. The accepted spelling is “menterjemahkan”, so if you are taking the SPM examination, sorry, deduct 1 point, LOL. The Malay language has many exceptions to the rule and this is just one.
“Komersial” is another one. This spelling is not acceptable because “sial” means “unlucky” and it is a no, no especially to superstitious folks, more so when money is involved in such a field as commerce. The correct spelling is therefore “komersil”.
Want some more? Too many to list down but we are off topic. Better stop before I get the boot and you get the flying shoe, LOL.
#19 by monsterballssgoh on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 5:30 am
Enjoy the 52nd Merdeka show….first time with terrible flu virus …out to attack big crowds.
Forewarn is foretold..to parents.
Go…if you are die-hard UMNO members……but please leave children at home.
The recent result of the P.Pasir shows “1Malaysia” not working.
MCA is so disunited….where got “1 MALAYSIA”…..under UMNO?
UMNO did one…on sex and trying repeat performance..sacking Anwar.
MCA trying to please holy ones.,by sacking Chua Soi Lek on sex.in the holy month of Ramadan.
Holy holy holy is the name of the game.
Najib should be pleased..with such a holy act….but instead…warned OTK not to do that…to weakened BN. Politics more important than holy stuffs..as if we do not know.
UMNO can do anything…to weaken UMNO…not MCA..nor others.
Here is clear double standards by UMNO to MCA.
hi folks!! Do not be distracted by MCA away from the RM10 million bribe given to OTK by Tiong..
Enjoy the fun…but stay focus to demand MACC actions.
They are so call investigating now….but you know MACC…is political minded…servants to UMNO.
Yes..enjoy the fun of MCA…with one group out to demand an extraordinary emergency general meeting..and that needs only 800 signatures.
Day in day out…we can see truths revealed.
Ong Tee Keat suspected to be the mastermind in taping the sex movie.
Chua Soi Lek is suspected to oust OTK………one way or another.
These two are like cat and mouse.
Since we know…OTK is Ong Ta Kut….the cat must be Chua Soi Lek!!
Have you seen the movie.” TOMBSTONE” ?
Well some MCA guys will be buried alive.sooner or later..enjoying a glass of beer and sex..for a job well done.
Yes…..MCA is heading to the grave yard.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
MCA is a disgrace to the Chinese community.
#20 by monsterballssgoh on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 6:21 am
Actually the Merdeka celebration should start with the year ….when UMNO BARU was born.
We conquer and celebrate..correct?
Mahathir..the doctor who claims to cure..killed UMNO and started UMNO BARU….correct?
So…Merdeka should be..from the year half Indian…half Malay..became PM.
#21 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 7:11 am
There’s one thing I never could understand. When a party is declared illegal, can the Prime Minister of that party continue to govern?
Or are we then, to paraphrase one high-ranking American official, “a country composed of 16.5 million cowards and one son of a bitch”?
#22 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 7:22 am
Sorry for asking… I was then very young, only 32 years old, LOL.
#23 by Jeffrey on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 7:46 am
“What a 52nd National Day!” has omitted mention of the unprecedented proposed canning of Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno for drinking beer!
Under our “civil law, women cannot be subjected caning as a punishment for any offence.” Section 289 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CPC) expressly provides that no female shall be punishable with whipping.
Until recently, enforcement of sharia in this particular regard has been lax but it is now becoming more aggressive, and the scope of the religious courts appears to be expanding.
Azmi Sharom, an associate professor in the law faculty of Universiti Malaya says, “The crux of the matter is, how can we have such medieval laws on our books at all?” “I have a feeling this problem is going to get worse and worse because none of the leadership is going to have the guts to say – hold on, this is a secular democracy, we have to put a stop to this.”
According to Malaysiakini report “Kartika furore highlights rise of Islamic law” of
Aug 27, 09 11:11am – ‘Harussani Zakaria, the mufti for Perak endorsed the push for stricter implementation of Islamic law.
“People will ask, you have this law, why don’t you practise it? When we practise it, then the government interrupts the process,” he complained, adding that Kartika should be punished swiftly.
The influential cleric said Malaysia would be better off if all citizens, INCLUDING non-Muslims, were subject to Islamic law including “hudud” penalties like stoning adulterers and chopping off thieves’ hands.’
Zaid Ibrahim was reported to have also said that problems could arise if syariah pronouncements conflict with the constitution.
“But which Malay political leaders from EITHER side of the political spectrum dare touch it?” he said.
“So the hardliners can and will always push and push and Malaysia will no longer be a liberal and moderate modern state.”
It is worrying the kind of image the country gets when international press picks this up. (The Wall Street Journal opined that this is a consequence of the Umno-PAS spat.)
How long will Anwar&PKR and DAP keep quiet on this issue because of “partnership” with PAS in PR?
More and more encroachments are made into private lives of Malaysians and civil liberties as well sanctity and supremacy of Federal Constitution (which DAP characterises as “secular”) are at stake.
On 52nd National Day, is PR going to keep quiet about this in the interest of political expedience in not having a spat with hardliners in both PAS and BN’s side over this issue of major public importance?
Keeping silent means civil liberties have no champions and as Zaid said, “the hardliners can and will always push and push and Malaysia will no longer be a liberal and moderate modern state.”
Does PR want to be facilitator to Malaysia being “no longer be a liberal and moderate modern state”?
#24 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 8:09 am
On the contrary, I would think that UMNO will suffer more than anyone else. I have a feeling that this development would only result in more and more Malays giving up Islam, thereby further weaking UMNO’s support base. When conditions are too harsh, they may well decide to give up their Malay privileges altogether, if required. I don’t know, what do you think?
#25 by Jeffrey on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 8:43 am
I think contrary. More and more will embrace Islamic fundamentalist ideology of the genre PAS espouses as a change and panacea to the intolerable status quo of ills – increasing gaps between the rich and poor, abuse of power, corruption – that the other side is identified with and is perceived to trying to cover up by appeals to race and “moderate” religion of its brand.
If lessons were to be drawn regarding rise of religious fundamentalism in Middle East, this lack of a viable political alternative have driven masses to rally under religious banner – most telling is Ayatollah Khomeini’s Iran revolution to overthrow the so called secular but corrupt regime of the Shah backed by the US.
There must be (it must be conceded) some differences between people and societies in Middle East and those in South East Asia, partcularly Malaysia with a polyglot mix of people, to draw such a parallel, but it is uncertain whether these differences are material enough to see a different outcome when conditions favouring progressive and indeed more aggressive push for Islamisation are present, especially when leaders on both sides of political divide have no resolve to resist and mitigate this push.
At the end of the day advocates of theocratic state will leverage on indecision and lack of will and resistance on both sides to achieve a fiat accompli of their agenda. They are actually “a third force” embedded in both sides unified by common objective.
#26 by Jeffrey on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 9:06 am
There’s a kind of Islamic revolution going on here. It is not of the kind flouting laws and constitution or necessarily espousing any form of violence. On the contrary it is very much based on “laws” – sharia, ie, as first step reactivation and aggressive enforcement of all dormant syaria enactments, until now not aggressively enforced by BN’s administration.
Any objections to implementation being contrary to Federal Constitution will be resisted and rebutted on grounds that even under Constitution, Islam is Official Religion, which together with Article 121(A) (civil courts have no jurisdiction over sharia matters) is argued to imply that Sharia is paramount, even by the Constitution. There also many sympathetic to paramountcy of religion over all secular features of the constitution embedded everywhere in the administration (in educational establishments, court system, civil service etc) as well as on the Opposition’s side pressuring fulfilment of agenda – based on “law”.
It is hard to resist this push. Govt leaders will not directly resist, they would just say that we must be “compassionate” and suggest appeal/legal recourse hoping some courts in favour of moderation and govt’s position will impede this march. Even on the Opposition side the MB of Selangor is under pressure and finds it expedient to consult the constitutional head of religion, the HRH the Ruler to use his moral authority to resist. We see this in both Elizabeth Wong’s case and the recent bourhaha on PAS’s commissioner (Hassan Ali) push to recruit mosque officials to arrest Muslims caught drinking alcohol. In such a way the MB does not have to confront issue whether he is against Religious tenents or his coalition PAS’s initiatives.
But history has always shown that in a struggle, when the aggressive party keeps pushing, and the party defending status quo keep defending, deflecting, dodging, ducking – without aggressively pushing back – the latter party will eventually lose.
For aggressive party, the logic is simple: one pushes, if succeeds, gain one step, if fails, loses no position. On the other side, if the defender succeeds in deflecting, it gains nothing though status quo is maintained but if it fails, it loses out some of its position.
Thus by such small and marginal step, the aggressive first party, inch by inch advances its position, pushing the line against the other, until inch by inch crosses a certain threshold with sufficient critical mass, it would push foot by foot, and then yard by yard.
Incremental advances are less shocking but an aggregate cumulation of all marginal steps represent a milestone!
#27 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 9:34 am
Hi Jeffrey, do you know that mosque attendance is dwindling? One Malay just recently lamented this to me.
When I was a human resource manager, I found that not many Malays used the Friday extended lunch breaks to go to mosque. So we came out with a ruling that those who don’t go to mosque must continue to work. The Islamic department came and see me, saying: “Whether they go to mosque or not is between them and God, your responsibility is to just provide them with the break,” LOL.
You see… when a religion is imposed on someone by law, how strong do you think their religious belief is? Christian converts tend to be more religious than those who merely follow their parents’ religion. Thus the term, “I am not a practising Christian,” LOL.
Is there such a term called “a non-practising Christian”? Well, I suppose if you can have a non-practising lawyer, why not a non-practising Christian then, LOL.
#28 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 9:44 am
Actually, we are acting like the alchemists and philosophers of old…. mental masturbation and no experimentation/surveys. To find the truth, all we need is to get a minimum sample of 30 Malays (of course if we can 50-100, so much the better) and ask them whether they like the trend towards stricter syaria enforcement. My gut feel is no, and yours is yes.
#29 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 10:28 am
I made money during the DrM days because I worked hard and all of it dripped down to many common people. People who do not even vote or have political connections.
My parents were poor, father a mere civil servant and mother a hawker who works like 14 hours a day. So how BN am I?
In my time we had to knock on doors and beg for work. Hell, we even go see the fishmonger at night to get a simple S&P signed. That is how we worked. We made money as the man in the streets was able to afford better housing and banks had to litigate. So, did you not get such an opportunity?
I was never so fortunate to be on UMNO, MCA, MIC or Gerakan greased panels. We were on the panel of one small developer who built cheap housing. So, any more smart comments that are baseless?
I did a lot of pro bono work as the area I was in were full of people who do not understand their legal rights. Heck, I cleared squatters like mad and never took their offer for kick backs when they were happy to give. So what else would you like to insinuate?
I called LKS gutless, I did not call him a GUTLESS MAN. I stated he is gutless to do certain things of which I itemised. Is that untrue?
As for LGE, I only have 1 thing to say to him, actually 2. Firstly, KUDOS … he has been doing a great job for someone who has never been in such a position before. Secondly, he needs a Public Relations person to guide him, someone without political affiliations so that BN media need not always make him look so bad.
But one thing LGE can really do is to bring in more professionals to advise them on what to do. If you are very in with the Penang government you will know there are some minor short comings and this is caused by the fact that they feel they can only trust their own. BUT through no fault of theirs, their own are not professionals in certain areas. I need not list out some of the c0ck ups by some of them, we have read it in the papers.
Hence, look at the American presidency, they always use professional advisers. I think LGE can benefit from that sort of administration.
For your information, Penang does not need more condos, people should just live in shantys ok. You are amazing. Penangites are buying housing, its the same in KL, the property market has been very good for the last 2 months. Its all locals who are purchasing. Don’t you know that at all? Are you not in touch? So am I the one who is talking nonsense?
I would love to celebrate this Merdeka with perhaps remembering an article from LKS that sounds like … “I have a dream …”
That would have been a good way rather than some negative cr@p. Why can’t LKS tell us his dreams for the nation and let that inspire us to change things. Maybe that can wake people up to learn how not to vote BN anymore.
Look at PP … they voted for BN, the numbers were very strong, about as strong as during GE12, so what inroads did PAS make in the last 18 months? Next to nothing. Face that fact.
#30 by taiking on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 11:40 am
Speakup said:
“In my time we had to knock on doors and beg for work. Hell, we even go see the fishmonger at night to get a simple S&P signed. That is how we worked. We made money as the man in the streets was able to afford better housing and banks had to litigate.
Yeah. Life is one tough cookie. Doesnt it make your blood boil to know that mere brokering some weapon acquisition could bring in 500million in commission payment?
Umno and umnoputras could survive this long and have it so good because malaysians are generally tolerant of abuse and oppression by these clowns. Of course ISA too played a great role. If only they have some sense of proportionality, they probably could go on for a long time abusing the country’s wealth and oppressing our freedom. If instead of 500m they took only say 100,000 not many people would be bothered. But Mahathir saw it fit to arm them with an oversize greed and belly. That began the whole problem for umno. “Huh 100,000 aja? Mana cukup tu?”
#31 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 11:52 am
Wow, that was a very fine piece of oratory. I rate it same as the Gettysburg Address, really.
#32 by k1980 on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 12:25 pm
Ever notice that the politicians who yelled the loudest for “1malaysia” are also the ones busily separating the rakyat into “tuans” and “pendatangs”?
#33 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 1:05 pm
That brokering case is called BN government sanctioned wastage of money. Simple … very simple. Hahahahahaaa …
#34 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 1:05 pm
Don’t bully bully ok … perli ker? Hahahaha …
#35 by frankyapp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 1:28 pm
Hi ekompute,there’s no such non practising christian. Either you are a christian or a un-believer.That’s it.
#36 by frankyapp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 1:30 pm
sorry,the correct word should be ‘NON BELIEVER .
#37 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:04 pm
frankyapp … got non-practicing Christian. On paper he says he is Christian but he does not go to church etc. Hehehehee … not trying to insult you ok, just making fun of the non-practising Christian.
#38 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:43 pm
Let me kill 2 birds with one stone, so here comes my stone towards SpeakUp and Frankyapp’s bird-bird:
SpeakUp, honestly, that was a very good defense article you wrote. I am sincere about it, I mean it comes from the heart of my bottom, opphhhhs, the bottom of my heart. Just pulling your legs about that last one, but I read it, was impressed and thought that you deserve a standing ovation for your defense.
And Frankyapp, the term “non-practising Christian” was given to me by someone who told me that she is a non-practising Christian. When I asked her to explain, she said she is Christian because her parents are Christian but she does not go to church nor really believe in that religion. Well, I believe that there are many non-practising Muslims too, given that they have no choice but to adopt that religion. The only thing you see is that they don’t eat pork and that has nothing to do with religion, it’s just upbringing and conditioning.
#39 by frankyapp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:44 pm
Hi speakup,you are missing the point,on paper or going to church still does not make you a christian or believer let alone a non practising christian.Christianity is between man and GOD. Faith alone or works alone still does not make you a christian,hence you need faith and works to become a good/true christian.Anything less,is just hypocrisy.
#40 by frankyapp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:51 pm
Hi ekompute,I hope my answer to speakup would enlighten you now about christainity.
#41 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 2:52 pm
I think it is about time we, non-Malays, stop claiming that we are not pendatang. Let’s call ourselves pendatangs and deal a deathblow to Najib’s 1Malaysia. It’s not as if BN believes in 1Malaysia.
If all non-Malays begin to accept that they are classified as pendatangs, they won’t be voting for BN, that’s for sure. That would make BN wake up and stop branding non-Malays as pendatangs.
#42 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 3:08 pm
Frankyapp, actually, I do study quite a bit about Christianity and Buddhism, and I know where you are coming from. Even if a person follows all the religious rituals, he is still not of that religion, unless he truly believes in the teachings and values of that religion in his heart. All religions are the religion of the heart, not the body.
#43 by frankyapp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 3:09 pm
Hi again ekompute,similarly there’s no non practising muslims,these are so-called non practising muslims.You cannot claim you are a christian when you do not believe in Jesus christ.Again to answer your point,even both your parents are christian,it does not make you a christian automatically.Like I said religion is between man and GOD,not between you and your parents.
#44 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 3:11 pm
frankyapp … I know what you are saying, I know it well. I agree with you. Just making some light hearted comment only.
ekompute … yes we are PENDATANG, we have a right because the Constitution assured our rights. Our forefathers sweated in the estates and mining pools to make Malaysia what it is today.
If BN is so unhappy then take away our citizenship, strip it. Then we are the real PENDATANG that they claim us to be, no rights.
Let’s now look at some great politicians in Malaysia, who are their forefathers? Some are Indons, some a Bugis some have Chinese blood and we know many with Indian blood. I think they forget that the mere fact that they are from a certain religion is not what makes them superior to others.
Will they ever wake up?
#45 by ekompute on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 3:43 pm
Quote from Islamicoccasions.com at http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/introductiontoislam.asp
“Islam very categorically rejects racial discrimination. It promotes the feeling of brotherhood and equality among its followers. God clearly says, “O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.” Holy Qur’an (49:13) Therefore, no one can claim any superiority over others based on racial or tribal differences. A person is to be judged by his character, not by his colour or race. God continues, “Surely the most honourable of you in God’s sight is the person who is most upright in character among you”. Holy Qur’an (49:13)
To the extent that the concept of Ketuanan Melayu is seemingly against the teaching of the Qur’an, can we say that Malaysia is practising Islam? Okay, let’s tread carefully on this matter before they twist and turn and say we insult Islam. Who is actually insulting Islam?
If a robber points a gun at you and ask you, “How come you are wearing my watch?”, what do you say? If me, I say, “Sorry, take it, I bought your watch last week,” LOL.
#46 by SpeakUp on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 4:05 pm
To the extent that the concept of Ketuanan Melayu is seemingly against the teaching of the “Qur’an, can we say that Malaysia is practising Islam? Okay, let’s tread carefully on this matter before they twist and turn and say we insult Islam. Who is actually insulting Islam?”
Nothing new la, when in trouble just talk about others and create one h3ck of a smoke screen!
“If a robber points a gun at you and ask you, “How come you are wearing my watch?”, what do you say? If me, I say, “Sorry, take it, I bought your watch last week,” LOL.”
You should answer, sorry I forgot to return the watch I borrowed.
#47 by Taxidriver on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 4:58 pm
Ever notice that the politicians who yelled the loudest for “1Malsaysia” are also the ones busily separating the rakyat into “tuans” and “pendatangs”? – k1980
“My Father who is in the heavens, forgive them for they know not what they are yelling about” – Jesus
#48 by ctc537 on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 5:27 pm
After 52 years of achieving independence, the country is now facing the most problems in its history. It has clearly shown that the political system where each of the three major races is represented by their race-based political parties respectively is no longer workable.
It seems that politicians now concern more with their personal interests as the on-going MCA crisis shows. The biggest political party continues to play racist politics knowing full well that it could lead the country to chaos if left unchecked. Government institutions such as the MACC, PDRM, etc are losing credibility among the people because of being seen seen not neutral in discharging their duties. The people fear for their safety because of the worsening crime situation, fear for their lives because of the high death tolls from AH1N1,fear for their livelihood because of dwindling FDIs caused by the unsettling political situation, etc.
This 2009 52th Hari Kebangsaan, all of us should stay at home mulling over what should be done to save our beloved country.
#49 by monsterballssgoh on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 6:35 pm
52nd Merdeka celebration….will be UMNO last road show.
It s written…spoken and let it be done.
Amen
#50 by Onlooker Politics on Friday, 28 August 2009 - 6:37 pm
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Sorry, sorry, forgot where I was…
Mengapa belajar bahasa cina? Google dapat menerjemahkan!” (OrangRojak)
YB Teresa Kok should voice out her opinion on why her parents sent her to a Chinese Independent Secondary School!
Perhaps most people just have the basic instinct to show a special passion towards their own native language! Nevertheless, some people who don’t like to see the expression of language exuberance with such a strong natural passion may label it as “Racist Chauvinism”!