Leaving PJ now for Alor Gajah for Teoh Beng Hock’s last journey.
Nation and all right-thinking people mourn for Teoh Beng Hock.
Even more, they mourn for the country and people.
Nation in shock, grief and anger – greater shock, grief and anger than four days ago when the dastardly deed was committed.
Let us transform our shock, grief and anger into People’s Power to change Malaysia so that there will not be another Teoh Beng Hock and death in custody, whether MACC, Police or any other government agency in Malaysia.
#1 by OrangRojak on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 7:37 pm
The photograph of Teoh shows him in better condition than I would have first expected if one were to fall 8 or 9 stories onto concrete. Did the autopsy report conclude that his injuries were consistent with falling that exact distance? Were all his injuries directly caused by the fall? The conclusion ‘he died of injuries sustained in the fall’ is not enough in a case such as this, in my view.
It’s so difficult to know anything without first hand experience of the evidence. Is the report online somewhere? I can’t find an article with the information given by Onlooker Politics. Your suggestion of lying alive with mortal injuries for an extended period should have been obvious to the pathologist, I would have thought.
SpeakUp – the other cases are the other cases. With so many people suffering from Sudden Death in Malaysia, we have a threshold of notability to consider. Teoh’s easily qualifies, whereas others are just dead people.
It would be nice to be able to play a part in the investigation, wouldn’t it? I asked for someone to mark the spot on Google (or one of the other overhead photography sites) Maps. I looked, but couldn’t be sure of the exact spot.
Perhaps someone might like to explain why evidence in a national-interest case cannot be made public so as to benefit from ‘many eyes’. I’m familiar with the conspiracy theory.
#2 by Onlooker Politics on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:18 pm
“Perhaps someone might like to explain why evidence in a national-interest case cannot be made public so as to benefit from ‘many eyes’.” (OrangRojak)
OrangRojak,
The Police investigation is not over yet. The Police still need to call up several witnesses for purpose of recording their cautioned statements.
The autopsy report may be produced as an evidence in court if there is a prosecution process to be invoked by the Police on an alleged, either due to negligence or murder. As a normal practice in Malaysia, the police will never disclose about what evidences they hold against someone until the legal proceeding has been commenced and the court hearing is undergoing. This is a strategy to make sure that the Police Prosecutor will win in the court case.
#3 by OrangRojak on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:19 pm
For Woof:
Nobody who falls fourteen floors down could remain alive for long. It was 8 or 9, if it was from the MACC offices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Magee
4 mile fall into railway station. Died 60 years later.
#4 by nkkhoo on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:25 pm
The initial postmortem report revealed that Teoh Beng Hock was murdered by MACC.
1. He was profounded dead around at 8 to 9 AM. But MACC claimed they only heard a big sound at 1.30 PM and then found his body.
2. His handphone is not with his body.
3. The latch of window in leval 14 where MACC office is located found at the floor of level 5.
4. The body is not facing down unlike normal suicide from tall building. This pointed to he was already dead when he was falling down.
5. The blood stain is abnormal little. This is another sign to show that he already dead before falling down.
6. His pant was tear. His pant incidentally hooked to window latch before his body was forced out.
From these initial findings, my conclusion is he was murdered inside the office at 8-9 AM before his dead body was throw out from level 14 at 1.30 PM.
#5 by Woof on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:36 pm
For Orang Rojak.
Ceteris paribus
#6 by Woof on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:44 pm
Good observation by nkkhoo about the lack of bleeding as a consequence of a fall. An autopsy should be able to confirm if Teoh was already dead before he even hit the ground.
#7 by Onlooker Politics on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 8:50 pm
There is one conclusion which we can confidently draw from the information disclosed by Selangor State Police, that is, “Teoh Beng Hock had never been released from the MACC custody before he died.”
If Teoh Beng Hock had been released by the MACC, his car key, wallet, cash notes, handphone, and briefcase should have already been handed over to Teoh. However, the Selangor State Police Chief confirmed that all those Teoh’s personal belongings were still kept by the MACC staff and had been handed over to the State Police on the same day after Teoh had been found dead.
The MACC should have no excuse to claim that Shah Alam MACC should not be blamed for causing death to Teoh in view of Teoh’s unusual death happened when he was still kept under the custody of the MACC.
#8 by Woof on Monday, 20 July 2009 - 11:04 pm
According to a foreign tabloid, sources close to MACC said the deceased was in fact assaulted during questioning and they had taken him up to the 14th floor to threaten him. You connect the dots.
#9 by Onlooker Politics on Tuesday, 21 July 2009 - 2:32 am
One more important thing:
Did the autopsy team manage to find any strange thing on the chemical analysis of Teoh’s blood? The Police Investigators should clarify about this because it is important to clear the doubt of possible drug overdosage or possible drug poisoning!
#10 by SpeakUp on Tuesday, 21 July 2009 - 12:41 pm
Whatever it is the whole thing really stinks. Nothing seems right at all. That is a fact. If there is any wrong doing heads need to roll.
#11 by victorious on Friday, 14 August 2009 - 8:37 am
did they check other floor other than 14th floor? there is a posibility that the fall might not happen from 14th floor…they should check it, just depending from the look of the 14th floor window wide open iand determine its the floor which the fall occurd it just too easy, it may have been open widely in advance to guide and focus the investigation team there…please ask them to check other floor to look out other possibility….the case not necessary happen on the macc floor…..