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	<title>Comments on: Tee Keat and Tsu Koon should publicly tender two apologies respectively for MCA and Gerakan – for support in 2002 for disastrous Cabinet decision to implement PPSMI from Std One and their support last Wednesday for another half-baked decision</title>
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		<title>By: cemerlang</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184482</link>
		<dc:creator>cemerlang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is up to the parents now to decide for their children&#039;s future. They will have to send them to private language classes. Malay votes are important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is up to the parents now to decide for their children&#8217;s future. They will have to send them to private language classes. Malay votes are important.</p>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184469</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were questions as to the reliability of survey findings on the efficacy of PPSMI.

It will be very difficult to conduct a survey to measure the effect of teaching science and mathematics in English to assess the improvement in the standards of English. The best the survey can hope to achieve is to measure whether there has been a serious drop in the standard of science and mathematics after the change in the medium of instruction. One might be able to ask for improvement if the language chosen has been more familiar to the students and the teachers alike. Obviously, the teachers who had no strong grounding in the English language would find it difficult to impart their knowledge and the students even if they were as well verse as the teachers could hope only to learn as mush as the teachers were able to impart.

The failure of PPSMI is to be expected even before it started, in terms of failing to improve the standard in the command of English among the students. PPSMI has no way of improving the standards of mathematics and science even in secondary schools, because the students did not have to read beyond the textbooks provided. Thus, research presenting in English language have nothing to do with the students in secondary school. It was a total flop for PPSMI in primary schools.

Science and mathematics do not have to be taught in English in the sense that the teachers are required to speak in English. The teachers should be allowed to use the language that they are comfortable in communicating, but they can teach and explain the subject in BM while using English textbook. For that matter, the teacher could use the language which the students are able to understand, such as a mixture of English and Malay, or English and Chinese as the case may be. The teachers who are now using English textbooks to teach and communicate in English should have no problems understanding the language used in the textbooks but may find difficulty in oral presentation. Thus, even if PPSMI are abolished in secondary schools, they should have no problems to continue using English textbooks. Though the medium of oral instruction could be in Malays, or according to what the teachers are more comfortable with, examination questions should be bilingual, and the students are allowed to answer them in the language of their choice. Indeed since both English and Malays are taught in schools, they can be given a choice in answering the questions. It was the knowledge of the subject that is under examination, not the language. 

Mahathir’s chedet blog shows 85% disapproval of the discontinuation of PPSMI. Superficially, it would appear that people have overwhelming supported PPSMI as though it was the only sensible approach to improving the standards of English language. The poll as it was constructed on a simple yes and no answer has not catered for the choice of yes-but, or no-but.

The students who had been made to accept PPSMI over the past 6 years had gotten used to the English term, and they certainly do not want to switch language midway. But PPSMI is not about the preference of those who have been in it. It has to take into consideration of the choice if the students had not been forced into it.

Students in the secondary schools might have been able to accept PPSMI because they had sufficient grounding of the language to follow the teaching in English.

But PPSMI is definitely a bad policy for primary school. Those who had supported the reversal of PPSMI are parents in the primary schools. There are necessarily smaller in number who would vote on TDM’s blog.  It is to be expected that students who are in the secondary schools would prefer status quo. Further, it has been generally accepted that English is important because of its wide reach and use in all spheres of live. Voters are worried that a reversal of PPSMI would see the rise of Bahasa Malaysia nationalism, as TDM wanted to convert the technical issue into ideological dispute.

The government is certainly right to oppose PPSMI for primary schools. If they still accept that it is the lack of teachers who could conduct proper oral teaching in English, then they should modify it to accept the use of English textbooks, but allow the teachers to choose the medium of oral instruction in secondary schools. Students should be given a choice to answer them in either language, English or BM.

Taiwan adopted English text books for science and mathematics since 1950s, and students from Taiwan went on to collect Nobel prizes. That should be the revised PPSMI the government should look into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were questions as to the reliability of survey findings on the efficacy of PPSMI.</p>
<p>It will be very difficult to conduct a survey to measure the effect of teaching science and mathematics in English to assess the improvement in the standards of English. The best the survey can hope to achieve is to measure whether there has been a serious drop in the standard of science and mathematics after the change in the medium of instruction. One might be able to ask for improvement if the language chosen has been more familiar to the students and the teachers alike. Obviously, the teachers who had no strong grounding in the English language would find it difficult to impart their knowledge and the students even if they were as well verse as the teachers could hope only to learn as mush as the teachers were able to impart.</p>
<p>The failure of PPSMI is to be expected even before it started, in terms of failing to improve the standard in the command of English among the students. PPSMI has no way of improving the standards of mathematics and science even in secondary schools, because the students did not have to read beyond the textbooks provided. Thus, research presenting in English language have nothing to do with the students in secondary school. It was a total flop for PPSMI in primary schools.</p>
<p>Science and mathematics do not have to be taught in English in the sense that the teachers are required to speak in English. The teachers should be allowed to use the language that they are comfortable in communicating, but they can teach and explain the subject in BM while using English textbook. For that matter, the teacher could use the language which the students are able to understand, such as a mixture of English and Malay, or English and Chinese as the case may be. The teachers who are now using English textbooks to teach and communicate in English should have no problems understanding the language used in the textbooks but may find difficulty in oral presentation. Thus, even if PPSMI are abolished in secondary schools, they should have no problems to continue using English textbooks. Though the medium of oral instruction could be in Malays, or according to what the teachers are more comfortable with, examination questions should be bilingual, and the students are allowed to answer them in the language of their choice. Indeed since both English and Malays are taught in schools, they can be given a choice in answering the questions. It was the knowledge of the subject that is under examination, not the language. </p>
<p>Mahathir’s chedet blog shows 85% disapproval of the discontinuation of PPSMI. Superficially, it would appear that people have overwhelming supported PPSMI as though it was the only sensible approach to improving the standards of English language. The poll as it was constructed on a simple yes and no answer has not catered for the choice of yes-but, or no-but.</p>
<p>The students who had been made to accept PPSMI over the past 6 years had gotten used to the English term, and they certainly do not want to switch language midway. But PPSMI is not about the preference of those who have been in it. It has to take into consideration of the choice if the students had not been forced into it.</p>
<p>Students in the secondary schools might have been able to accept PPSMI because they had sufficient grounding of the language to follow the teaching in English.</p>
<p>But PPSMI is definitely a bad policy for primary school. Those who had supported the reversal of PPSMI are parents in the primary schools. There are necessarily smaller in number who would vote on TDM’s blog.  It is to be expected that students who are in the secondary schools would prefer status quo. Further, it has been generally accepted that English is important because of its wide reach and use in all spheres of live. Voters are worried that a reversal of PPSMI would see the rise of Bahasa Malaysia nationalism, as TDM wanted to convert the technical issue into ideological dispute.</p>
<p>The government is certainly right to oppose PPSMI for primary schools. If they still accept that it is the lack of teachers who could conduct proper oral teaching in English, then they should modify it to accept the use of English textbooks, but allow the teachers to choose the medium of oral instruction in secondary schools. Students should be given a choice to answer them in either language, English or BM.</p>
<p>Taiwan adopted English text books for science and mathematics since 1950s, and students from Taiwan went on to collect Nobel prizes. That should be the revised PPSMI the government should look into.</p>
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		<title>By: ChinNA</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184455</link>
		<dc:creator>ChinNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please do not politicise something as important as our children’s education. - strupper

Hmm, DAP is not deviod of politics, as it is a political party. Wondering what would those apologies do? Perhaps they are worth something. Perhaps not. 

Should the 2 ministers apologise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please do not politicise something as important as our children’s education. &#8211; strupper</p>
<p>Hmm, DAP is not deviod of politics, as it is a political party. Wondering what would those apologies do? Perhaps they are worth something. Perhaps not. </p>
<p>Should the 2 ministers apologise?</p>
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		<title>By: strupper2003</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184414</link>
		<dc:creator>strupper2003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi yb

i admire your stand and bravery in speaking out against unjust and flawed govt policies.

however, i do not see any good to come out of your demand for ong tee keat and koh tsu koon to apologise. what good would it do? would it make our children smarter?

please do not politicise something as important as our children&#039;s education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi yb</p>
<p>i admire your stand and bravery in speaking out against unjust and flawed govt policies.</p>
<p>however, i do not see any good to come out of your demand for ong tee keat and koh tsu koon to apologise. what good would it do? would it make our children smarter?</p>
<p>please do not politicise something as important as our children&#8217;s education.</p>
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		<title>By: ShiokGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184400</link>
		<dc:creator>ShiokGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kit,

Let us have a freedom to choose which stream we want to send our kids to.

Now remember, An Idiot is easy to control and satisfy. Now you know why those rich, famous and powerful send their kids to international school and oversea for university education.

http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2009/07/freedom-of-choice-for-education.html

Shiok Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kit,</p>
<p>Let us have a freedom to choose which stream we want to send our kids to.</p>
<p>Now remember, An Idiot is easy to control and satisfy. Now you know why those rich, famous and powerful send their kids to international school and oversea for university education.</p>
<p><a href="http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2009/07/freedom-of-choice-for-education.html" rel="nofollow">http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2009/07/freedom-of-choice-for-education.html</a></p>
<p>Shiok Guy</p>
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		<title>By: k1980</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184397</link>
		<dc:creator>k1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a2a, these 2 doggies don&#039;t bark. They only meow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a2a, these 2 doggies don&#8217;t bark. They only meow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184388</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of those who supported PPSMI in 2002.  It was my fervent wish then that it would then lead to the formation of the old-style English schools of the 60s and 70s.  Of course it didn&#039;t, and now we have the idiotic policy reversal simply because UMNO wanted to secure more rural Malay votes.

What sort of country is this where the leaders are all so out of touch with reality ?  Are the crutches that deeply entrenched that they cannot be removed ?  Are the blinkers no longer removable from the eyes of these people ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of those who supported PPSMI in 2002.  It was my fervent wish then that it would then lead to the formation of the old-style English schools of the 60s and 70s.  Of course it didn&#8217;t, and now we have the idiotic policy reversal simply because UMNO wanted to secure more rural Malay votes.</p>
<p>What sort of country is this where the leaders are all so out of touch with reality ?  Are the crutches that deeply entrenched that they cannot be removed ?  Are the blinkers no longer removable from the eyes of these people ?</p>
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		<title>By: yhsiew</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184381</link>
		<dc:creator>yhsiew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a waste of time to entrust subservient parties MCA and Gerakan to speak on behalf of the Chinese.  Leaders of these parties probably care more about protecting their jobs rather than the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a waste of time to entrust subservient parties MCA and Gerakan to speak on behalf of the Chinese.  Leaders of these parties probably care more about protecting their jobs rather than the people.</p>
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		<title>By: yhsiew</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184378</link>
		<dc:creator>yhsiew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Big-Brother (taikor) wants coffee, how dare MCA President and Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat and Gerakan President Tan Sri Dr. Koh Tsu Koon offer him tea?!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Big-Brother (taikor) wants coffee, how dare MCA President and Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat and Gerakan President Tan Sri Dr. Koh Tsu Koon offer him tea?!!</p>
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		<title>By: a2a</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184373</link>
		<dc:creator>a2a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When tell you sit….you SIT.

When tell you stand.. you STAND.

When tell you bark …you BARK BARK BARK…

You two are good dogs.

Remember that only bark to the enemies. ok bark.

BARK…BARK…BARK…BARK…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When tell you sit….you SIT.</p>
<p>When tell you stand.. you STAND.</p>
<p>When tell you bark …you BARK BARK BARK…</p>
<p>You two are good dogs.</p>
<p>Remember that only bark to the enemies. ok bark.</p>
<p>BARK…BARK…BARK…BARK…</p>
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		<title>By: a2a</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/11/ong-tee-keat-and-koh-tsu-koon-should-publicly-tender-two-apologies-respectively-for-mca-and-gerakan-%e2%80%93-for-support-of-their-ministers-in-2002-for-disastrous-cabinet-decision-to-implement-ppsmi/comment-page-1/#comment-184372</link>
		<dc:creator>a2a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When tell you sit....you SIT.

When tell you stand.. you SIT.

When tell you bark ...you BARK BARK BARK...

You two are good dogs.

Remember that only bark to the enemies. ok bark.

BARK...BARK...BARK...BARK...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When tell you sit&#8230;.you SIT.</p>
<p>When tell you stand.. you SIT.</p>
<p>When tell you bark &#8230;you BARK BARK BARK&#8230;</p>
<p>You two are good dogs.</p>
<p>Remember that only bark to the enemies. ok bark.</p>
<p>BARK&#8230;BARK&#8230;BARK&#8230;BARK&#8230;</p>
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