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		<title>By: Sony boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sony boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear limkamput,

I&#039;m 23 years old this year.

I did not get the chance to vote in 2008, and will consider to not vote for any party that people like you support. Its very frightening to imagine the violent outcome should the likes of you who do not respect voices of young people become government. 

I&#039;m sorry for Malaysia that older people like you keep on thrashing young people who have different opinion from you. You do not seem to understand your behaviour is just the same as the ones you curse. So much anger is a put off for young people. 

fyi, the world of young people is searching for more love in the world, please move with the aspirations of young people for harmornious civility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear limkamput,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 23 years old this year.</p>
<p>I did not get the chance to vote in 2008, and will consider to not vote for any party that people like you support. Its very frightening to imagine the violent outcome should the likes of you who do not respect voices of young people become government. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for Malaysia that older people like you keep on thrashing young people who have different opinion from you. You do not seem to understand your behaviour is just the same as the ones you curse. So much anger is a put off for young people. </p>
<p>fyi, the world of young people is searching for more love in the world, please move with the aspirations of young people for harmornious civility.</p>
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		<title>By: shortie kiasu</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183637</link>
		<dc:creator>shortie kiasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is cronism at its worst in MCA under Ong Tee Keat as compared to previous MCA presidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is cronism at its worst in MCA under Ong Tee Keat as compared to previous MCA presidents.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183581</link>
		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sony boy, you are old fart, probably a MCA imposter.  Oh, pacifist, exercising my right, etc. goodness me! Look, my little finger is already smarter than you, ok.  It wouldn’t work here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sony boy, you are old fart, probably a MCA imposter.  Oh, pacifist, exercising my right, etc. goodness me! Look, my little finger is already smarter than you, ok.  It wouldn’t work here.</p>
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		<title>By: Sony boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sony boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Uncle Kit,

I read in Malaysiakini, you are speaking with the DAP people in Kedah and Penang. 

My fren in management faculty said should leave to the state DAP managers to handle their own crisis as DAP Advisor is higher level. If the state managers are unable to handle their area, they should be sent for training, but the Advisor should not step over into the CEO duty. 

My fren said in this case of management, the CEO is DAP Secretary General, so he should be responsible for party matters directly. The Advisor duty is to stay in the background so that the Secretary General can be free to do what he should be doing as he is not unanswerable to the Advisor. If the CEO is unable to do his job, then he should not be appointed in the first place.

I forgot to ask my fren, is he considering that DAP party management to be same as corporate management? Please elaborate DAP management so that we are more aware. 

He also think DAP management is also need improvement cos not many talented managers around who can solve people&#039;s problems.
TQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Uncle Kit,</p>
<p>I read in Malaysiakini, you are speaking with the DAP people in Kedah and Penang. </p>
<p>My fren in management faculty said should leave to the state DAP managers to handle their own crisis as DAP Advisor is higher level. If the state managers are unable to handle their area, they should be sent for training, but the Advisor should not step over into the CEO duty. </p>
<p>My fren said in this case of management, the CEO is DAP Secretary General, so he should be responsible for party matters directly. The Advisor duty is to stay in the background so that the Secretary General can be free to do what he should be doing as he is not unanswerable to the Advisor. If the CEO is unable to do his job, then he should not be appointed in the first place.</p>
<p>I forgot to ask my fren, is he considering that DAP party management to be same as corporate management? Please elaborate DAP management so that we are more aware. </p>
<p>He also think DAP management is also need improvement cos not many talented managers around who can solve people&#8217;s problems.<br />
TQ</p>
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		<title>By: Sony boy</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183566</link>
		<dc:creator>Sony boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Intan and monsterball,

I do not know why you have so much hate for young people like me. I&#039;m a pacifist, I don&#039;t believe in violent speech, thought or action. I hope your party is non-violent too.

Young people have rights to express our feelings. Many of us nowaday do not like to cause unhappiness to others by scolding or cursing their future. We know everybody got rights to different thinking.

I am exercising my rights to voice my feelings, even though I do not blindly support only one party. Maybe you&#039;ll be surprise but there are many of my frens thinking like me.

You may choose not to understand or continue to curse me, its your right to be so. But that doesn&#039;t mean you can force me to support your party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Intan and monsterball,</p>
<p>I do not know why you have so much hate for young people like me. I&#8217;m a pacifist, I don&#8217;t believe in violent speech, thought or action. I hope your party is non-violent too.</p>
<p>Young people have rights to express our feelings. Many of us nowaday do not like to cause unhappiness to others by scolding or cursing their future. We know everybody got rights to different thinking.</p>
<p>I am exercising my rights to voice my feelings, even though I do not blindly support only one party. Maybe you&#8217;ll be surprise but there are many of my frens thinking like me.</p>
<p>You may choose not to understand or continue to curse me, its your right to be so. But that doesn&#8217;t mean you can force me to support your party.</p>
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		<title>By: clare288ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>clare288ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Kit,

I&#039;m a neutral guy. i did not belong to BN or PKR. I&#039;m totally agreed with Sony boy. What is wrong with Wong Fook Meng appointment as a senate president. So far he has done his job well. If Pakatan become the goverment, you will definetly recommend your DAP member to be Senate president but I have doubt whether you have the power to do so ? Just look at what happen in Kedah. Why the 50% quota issue could happen &amp; the demolition of temple. From here we could see that the credibility of DAP is a question mark... It is worst than MCA.

i&#039;m losing fate on DAP now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Kit,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a neutral guy. i did not belong to BN or PKR. I&#8217;m totally agreed with Sony boy. What is wrong with Wong Fook Meng appointment as a senate president. So far he has done his job well. If Pakatan become the goverment, you will definetly recommend your DAP member to be Senate president but I have doubt whether you have the power to do so ? Just look at what happen in Kedah. Why the 50% quota issue could happen &amp; the demolition of temple. From here we could see that the credibility of DAP is a question mark&#8230; It is worst than MCA.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m losing fate on DAP now</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183455</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intan...you are right.
This young fut Sony boy said he is sensitive...and want to be treated nicely...yet he ignores how nice UMNO is cleaning up his father&#039;s income taxes money...into their pockets.
I guess..he will not listen to his Dad...scolding and teaching him...to wake up his weak brain.
He does not realize...LKS is fighting for his future at all.
All he knows...is that...LKS is shouting at parliament...treating UMNO not nicely with respect.
He knows next to nothing about sincerity and pure hearts.
I hope one day...an unfaithful...smart two-timer  girl... con him...to be her husband...and be the laughing clown... for the rest of his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intan&#8230;you are right.<br />
This young fut Sony boy said he is sensitive&#8230;and want to be treated nicely&#8230;yet he ignores how nice UMNO is cleaning up his father&#8217;s income taxes money&#8230;into their pockets.<br />
I guess..he will not listen to his Dad&#8230;scolding and teaching him&#8230;to wake up his weak brain.<br />
He does not realize&#8230;LKS is fighting for his future at all.<br />
All he knows&#8230;is that&#8230;LKS is shouting at parliament&#8230;treating UMNO not nicely with respect.<br />
He knows next to nothing about sincerity and pure hearts.<br />
I hope one day&#8230;an unfaithful&#8230;smart two-timer  girl&#8230; con him&#8230;to be her husband&#8230;and be the laughing clown&#8230; for the rest of his life.</p>
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		<title>By: ekompute</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekompute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonberry Says: &quot;Wong Foon Meng – one of the biggest ball-carrier of Umno. Remember what he told the chinese not to vote for Oppositions during last year GE run-up bcoz the chinese could not afford not having representative in the Cabinet..&quot;

Do we need Chinese representatives that are like what Lim Chong Eu says, &quot;Ya, botol, ya, botol,&quot; while carrying a coconut in one hand and an empty bottle in another? What has MCA done so far? During the 2008 general election, I keep seeing one lady on TV saying how fortunate she was that Ong Ka Ting visited her house and gave her some financial assistance. And MCA&#039;s TV advertisement punchline was, &quot;Working quietly behind the scene....&quot; Well, giving some financial assistance to a woman in need is NOT the only thing that we expect from a political party. That can be done even by a single individual. Seems like MCA had nothing less to show and that was the only thing MCA did during the honeymoon period under Abdullah Badawi&#039;s country management leadership style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonberry Says: &#8220;Wong Foon Meng – one of the biggest ball-carrier of Umno. Remember what he told the chinese not to vote for Oppositions during last year GE run-up bcoz the chinese could not afford not having representative in the Cabinet..&#8221;</p>
<p>Do we need Chinese representatives that are like what Lim Chong Eu says, &#8220;Ya, botol, ya, botol,&#8221; while carrying a coconut in one hand and an empty bottle in another? What has MCA done so far? During the 2008 general election, I keep seeing one lady on TV saying how fortunate she was that Ong Ka Ting visited her house and gave her some financial assistance. And MCA&#8217;s TV advertisement punchline was, &#8220;Working quietly behind the scene&#8230;.&#8221; Well, giving some financial assistance to a woman in need is NOT the only thing that we expect from a political party. That can be done even by a single individual. Seems like MCA had nothing less to show and that was the only thing MCA did during the honeymoon period under Abdullah Badawi&#8217;s country management leadership style.</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183448</link>
		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people only think like a terowong,  only see n tell others dont hurt *%# feelings,,,,and have no cow sense at all even after 50 years and forget so easily who taught them to wear shoes at all 
why need to have schools to learn one cultures and have a written language of your own.

If you like eating petai,  go ahead, if it is good i take some too, if you got durians and if i like it i buy eat them too, if you cant eat what i can do go %^( tell others not to eat.
And when you got stomach ache ...dont go to see the sinseh...lah
dip yourself into the mud and eat the cow dung...maybe it helps.
you never know...if it works i may follow too......how probable ...pondering ,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people only think like a terowong,  only see n tell others dont hurt *%# feelings,,,,and have no cow sense at all even after 50 years and forget so easily who taught them to wear shoes at all<br />
why need to have schools to learn one cultures and have a written language of your own.</p>
<p>If you like eating petai,  go ahead, if it is good i take some too, if you got durians and if i like it i buy eat them too, if you cant eat what i can do go %^( tell others not to eat.<br />
And when you got stomach ache &#8230;dont go to see the sinseh&#8230;lah<br />
dip yourself into the mud and eat the cow dung&#8230;maybe it helps.<br />
you never know&#8230;if it works i may follow too&#8230;&#8230;how probable &#8230;pondering ,,,</p>
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		<title>By: lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m se hair has been pretending to be sleeping for too long, enriching thier members and ignoring those who they claim to represent.

Try visit their so call community centre, or just have a glance ...there is something strange feeling as you enters....the air is filled with cold and goosey.

But many seem clean and tidy and new too...like a show room and probably only meant for show only...a community centre....for members only 

Their leaders are shameless and no regard for brotherly chinese like what it suppose to represent.

Share and share a like lah...where is the 12 B from the PKFZ deals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m se hair has been pretending to be sleeping for too long, enriching thier members and ignoring those who they claim to represent.</p>
<p>Try visit their so call community centre, or just have a glance &#8230;there is something strange feeling as you enters&#8230;.the air is filled with cold and goosey.</p>
<p>But many seem clean and tidy and new too&#8230;like a show room and probably only meant for show only&#8230;a community centre&#8230;.for members only </p>
<p>Their leaders are shameless and no regard for brotherly chinese like what it suppose to represent.</p>
<p>Share and share a like lah&#8230;where is the 12 B from the PKFZ deals</p>
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		<title>By: intan</title>
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		<dc:creator>intan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sony boy, i think you are a real ball-carrier!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sony boy, i think you are a real ball-carrier!</p>
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		<title>By: Sony boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sony boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Kit,

Again, my fren studying law in uni told me:

1. There’s no convention against appointing anyone from political party as Speaker. He said it means if Pakatan Rakyat becomes government, PR can also apppoint their man as Speaker. He also remembers last time Ramli Ngah from UMNO also was speaker before.

2. He said as long as Speaker can do his job as Speaker taking care of the order /conduct of the Dewan session well, should not be a problem. He also said this Wong Foon Meng is ok as he has done his Speaker duty well. ???

3. He said since Wong Foon Meng is working with Senate President Pawanteh to upgrade standards of the Senate, why not let him continue the work to make the Senate more respected. He also said this meets the aspirations of Pakatan too to upgrade standards of Senate.

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I see from youtube Dewan Negara proceedings are very calm, very different from Dewan Rakyat which is like a fish market, always scolding unneccessarily and wasting time. The only difference is how the speaker control the house proceeding. So far, I see Wong Foon Meng is ok and his Bahasa Malaysia is very commendable. No problem for me to let him continue good works.

Please don&#039;t scold me Uncle Kit, or get angry with me if I support Wong Foon Meng if doing something ok.

It&#039;s just that young people like me are more open sensitive and only judge people by how they treat other people nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Kit,</p>
<p>Again, my fren studying law in uni told me:</p>
<p>1. There’s no convention against appointing anyone from political party as Speaker. He said it means if Pakatan Rakyat becomes government, PR can also apppoint their man as Speaker. He also remembers last time Ramli Ngah from UMNO also was speaker before.</p>
<p>2. He said as long as Speaker can do his job as Speaker taking care of the order /conduct of the Dewan session well, should not be a problem. He also said this Wong Foon Meng is ok as he has done his Speaker duty well. ???</p>
<p>3. He said since Wong Foon Meng is working with Senate President Pawanteh to upgrade standards of the Senate, why not let him continue the work to make the Senate more respected. He also said this meets the aspirations of Pakatan too to upgrade standards of Senate.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I see from youtube Dewan Negara proceedings are very calm, very different from Dewan Rakyat which is like a fish market, always scolding unneccessarily and wasting time. The only difference is how the speaker control the house proceeding. So far, I see Wong Foon Meng is ok and his Bahasa Malaysia is very commendable. No problem for me to let him continue good works.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t scold me Uncle Kit, or get angry with me if I support Wong Foon Meng if doing something ok.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that young people like me are more open sensitive and only judge people by how they treat other people nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: limkamput</title>
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		<dc:creator>limkamput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//5. To demand full accountability as to how the half-a-trillion ringgit contributed by Petronas to the Federal government in the past 33 years, i.e. RM426.6 billion made up of RM4.2 billion under the premiership of Tun Hussein, RM168.8 billion under Tun Mahathir and RM253.6 billion under Tun Abdullah had been prudently spent or irresponsibily squandered.//

Sdr Lim, I find your fifth question odd, unless it is a rhetoric question or a question aiming at embarrassing the way we manage our finances.  I am also surprised that TDM did not know how the money was spent unless his intention was the same as yours.  

First, all Petronas’ money, if given to Fed Govt either as dividends or taxes will go directly into the Consolidated Fund in the form of fed govt revenue.  Money from the consolidated fund can only be expended through the annual budget in either operating or development expenditures (at least this is our constitutional and legal provisions).  These expenditures are all tabulated in details in the annual budget.  Our fiscal position is the function of revenue and expenditure as indicated in the annual budget each year.  

Now, what then are the issues relating to Petronas’s money?  I could think of a few:

1.	the MPs while debating the annual budget all these years did not really know where the federal govt revenues had come from and what were they consist of;
2.	the MPs did not really know all the programmes and projects as tabulated in the budget;  If they know, then they should know how much each ministry, agency, programme, and project get in terms of budget allocations; 
3.	the MPs did not know that what was stated in the budget may not be actually happening on the ground, i.e. allocation for programmes “A” may actually be used for some other dubious purposes. 

You have asked where did all the Petronas’ money go?  Well, it is all in the fed govt revenue and expenditure accounts.  But whether or not these expenditures are prudent, effective, beneficial, or squandered is a separate matter.  

Now in addition to “on budget” payment (i.e. Petronas’ payments to federal government in the forms of dividends and taxes), there are also many “off budget” payments financed by Petronas.  These are public or semi public programmes and projects that are not in the nation’s annual budget but financed by Petronas money.   To know this, you have to open the book of Petronas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//5. To demand full accountability as to how the half-a-trillion ringgit contributed by Petronas to the Federal government in the past 33 years, i.e. RM426.6 billion made up of RM4.2 billion under the premiership of Tun Hussein, RM168.8 billion under Tun Mahathir and RM253.6 billion under Tun Abdullah had been prudently spent or irresponsibily squandered.//</p>
<p>Sdr Lim, I find your fifth question odd, unless it is a rhetoric question or a question aiming at embarrassing the way we manage our finances.  I am also surprised that TDM did not know how the money was spent unless his intention was the same as yours.  </p>
<p>First, all Petronas’ money, if given to Fed Govt either as dividends or taxes will go directly into the Consolidated Fund in the form of fed govt revenue.  Money from the consolidated fund can only be expended through the annual budget in either operating or development expenditures (at least this is our constitutional and legal provisions).  These expenditures are all tabulated in details in the annual budget.  Our fiscal position is the function of revenue and expenditure as indicated in the annual budget each year.  </p>
<p>Now, what then are the issues relating to Petronas’s money?  I could think of a few:</p>
<p>1.	the MPs while debating the annual budget all these years did not really know where the federal govt revenues had come from and what were they consist of;<br />
2.	the MPs did not really know all the programmes and projects as tabulated in the budget;  If they know, then they should know how much each ministry, agency, programme, and project get in terms of budget allocations;<br />
3.	the MPs did not know that what was stated in the budget may not be actually happening on the ground, i.e. allocation for programmes “A” may actually be used for some other dubious purposes. </p>
<p>You have asked where did all the Petronas’ money go?  Well, it is all in the fed govt revenue and expenditure accounts.  But whether or not these expenditures are prudent, effective, beneficial, or squandered is a separate matter.  </p>
<p>Now in addition to “on budget” payment (i.e. Petronas’ payments to federal government in the forms of dividends and taxes), there are also many “off budget” payments financed by Petronas.  These are public or semi public programmes and projects that are not in the nation’s annual budget but financed by Petronas money.   To know this, you have to open the book of Petronas.</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183362</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean...&quot;If Najib can put or install..those who lost in elections...as ministers....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean&#8230;&#8221;If Najib can put or install..those who lost in elections&#8230;as ministers&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183359</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Najib cannot put those who lost in elections. from MCA and Gerakan....back as  Ministers...why be  surprised.
Everyone knows...UMNO have no more quality members to show off.
All must be yes men and women...and the good ones...resigned or refuse to be involved.
Look at MCA...same thing.
MIC..same thing.
Gerakan...not same thing. It is Koh Tsu Khoon play thing...no more a party....just for show with few supporting him.
Gerakan is insignificant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Najib cannot put those who lost in elections. from MCA and Gerakan&#8230;.back as  Ministers&#8230;why be  surprised.<br />
Everyone knows&#8230;UMNO have no more quality members to show off.<br />
All must be yes men and women&#8230;and the good ones&#8230;resigned or refuse to be involved.<br />
Look at MCA&#8230;same thing.<br />
MIC..same thing.<br />
Gerakan&#8230;not same thing. It is Koh Tsu Khoon play thing&#8230;no more a party&#8230;.just for show with few supporting him.<br />
Gerakan is insignificant.</p>
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		<title>By: YK Leong</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183352</link>
		<dc:creator>YK Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I will take a three-day break from the 36-day “three questions a day” session and 108 questions to decide whether to continue with the daily questioning on the PKFZ scandal, and if so, in what new form”. Brother Lim Kit Siang since you are taking a break, please allow me to contiue. I CAN’T STOP THE MUSIC. 

Perhaps, I will gamble my luck with the MCA secretary-general, Wong Foon Meng for answers over the PKFZ scandal. STAR (5 July 2009) headlined: “MCA to address public complaints effectively”. 

My complaint for today (5 July 2009) to the MCA Public Services and Complaints Bureau is whether Ong Ta Kut is willing to release the full PKFZ report together with its appendices to the taxpayers, who are entitled for it without a doubt? STAR (8 April 2008) headlined: “Ong to tell all on Port Klang Free Zone” quoting him: “I wish to inform the rakyat about the true situation – whether it was actually squandered, not squandered, and whether it has gone to, as well as the breakdown of the budget.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I will take a three-day break from the 36-day “three questions a day” session and 108 questions to decide whether to continue with the daily questioning on the PKFZ scandal, and if so, in what new form”. Brother Lim Kit Siang since you are taking a break, please allow me to contiue. I CAN’T STOP THE MUSIC. </p>
<p>Perhaps, I will gamble my luck with the MCA secretary-general, Wong Foon Meng for answers over the PKFZ scandal. STAR (5 July 2009) headlined: “MCA to address public complaints effectively”. </p>
<p>My complaint for today (5 July 2009) to the MCA Public Services and Complaints Bureau is whether Ong Ta Kut is willing to release the full PKFZ report together with its appendices to the taxpayers, who are entitled for it without a doubt? STAR (8 April 2008) headlined: “Ong to tell all on Port Klang Free Zone” quoting him: “I wish to inform the rakyat about the true situation – whether it was actually squandered, not squandered, and whether it has gone to, as well as the breakdown of the budget.”</p>
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		<title>By: Tonberry</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/07/05/is-mca-so-short-of-talents-it-cannot-find-different-persons-to-hold-the-posts-of-mca-secretary-general-and-senate-president/comment-page-1/#comment-183351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wong Foon Meng - one of the biggest ball-carrier of Umno. Remember what he told the chinese not to vote for Oppositions during last year GE run-up bcoz the chinese could not afford not having representative in the Cabinet..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wong Foon Meng &#8211; one of the biggest ball-carrier of Umno. Remember what he told the chinese not to vote for Oppositions during last year GE run-up bcoz the chinese could not afford not having representative in the Cabinet..</p>
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		<title>By: wanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The days of WINE AND ROSES are over for MCA...the social ladder climbers, who used this Beggar party for their fast track  self promotions and interests are not that attractive anymore. This political racial party, is now left with dead woods and honey suckers...it is only a matter of time, it will become history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The days of WINE AND ROSES are over for MCA&#8230;the social ladder climbers, who used this Beggar party for their fast track  self promotions and interests are not that attractive anymore. This political racial party, is now left with dead woods and honey suckers&#8230;it is only a matter of time, it will become history.</p>
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		<title>By: ekompute</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekompute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is MCA so short of talents it cannot find different persons to hold the posts of MCA Secretary-General and Senate President?&quot;

Does MCA ever had any people who had real talent, other than their early pioneers? Anyway, does the position of Senate President require any talent? To me, the Senate is just a useless body, occupying valuable space... a mere waste of resources, not to mention money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is MCA so short of talents it cannot find different persons to hold the posts of MCA Secretary-General and Senate President?&#8221;</p>
<p>Does MCA ever had any people who had real talent, other than their early pioneers? Anyway, does the position of Senate President require any talent? To me, the Senate is just a useless body, occupying valuable space&#8230; a mere waste of resources, not to mention money.</p>
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		<title>By: YK Leong</title>
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		<dc:creator>YK Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Wong also told the press yesterday that MCA does not rule out the possibility of co-operating with DAP to establish a joint secretariat for “intellectual discourse” if the proposal come from the DAP and depending on the topics concerned&#039;. 

Brother Kit Siang has already done his part. Now, it is over to you. Wong. Wong, do not chicken out. If not, you are labelled as &quot;how sui thor kor char&quot; (meaning in Cantonese is &quot;saliva is more than tea&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Wong also told the press yesterday that MCA does not rule out the possibility of co-operating with DAP to establish a joint secretariat for “intellectual discourse” if the proposal come from the DAP and depending on the topics concerned&#8217;. </p>
<p>Brother Kit Siang has already done his part. Now, it is over to you. Wong. Wong, do not chicken out. If not, you are labelled as &#8220;how sui thor kor char&#8221; (meaning in Cantonese is &#8220;saliva is more than tea&#8221;).</p>
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