Comments on: “You Are Not Qualified To Interpret my Religious Text”: How to Respond to Attempts to Close the Public Domain- Part 3 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/ for Malaysia Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:28:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: frankyapp http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182263 frankyapp Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:19:00 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182263 Hi monsterball,thanks so much for your info,I really appreciate it. You are a good person indeed.Please continue your insightful views and thoughts. Hi monsterball,thanks so much for your info,I really appreciate it. You are a good person indeed.Please continue your insightful views and thoughts.

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182262 monsterball Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:11:15 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182262 Concerning pork...this is an interesting subject..why Muslims cannot eat pork in Malaysia. You see....1500 years ago...hundreds of Chinese Muslims go to Mecca....and they bring along dried or roasted meat. Roasted pork meat attracted the local inhabitants. So Chinese gave and share...so much so...it became the most wanted meat. Chinese took the advantage and set up stalls to sell roasted pork meat. In Middle East..only lambs and camel meat available. That got Mohammad's smart wife...to come out with the haram story...and what Mohammad commands.....all must follow. And it was logical too!! Pork was real dirty. It was mostly wild boars.....not like what we eat today. So eating wild boar meat...people get diarrhea easily and die. Stuck for 1500 years...never change..even though pigs are so clean and consumed by all others. I went to India few times and love to talk to Indians..a real bunch of open minded democratic people..from road side to the most well educated..all open minded fellas. I asked them...why no eat cow meat...knowing what they will tell me. Battling them...not logical..so poor country...so idiotic...some confessed... they do eat cow meat at home secretly. I say ....why not openly. Shiva...Ganash...Murugam will not punish them...I guaranteed that. They smiled and said...but government will lock them up....end of story. So you see...no good practical and up to date laws..to suit time and conditions...do make people hide to do thinks. I am a Buddhist and supposed not to eat beef too. In USA....you don't eat beef...you may not enjoy food at all. So I ate....and that's it....it is the "Way Of Life" I see fit for myself. I tried to be vegetarian..no good. I need meat to have strength and energy. To eat only vegetables..once a week...no problem. Simply love it. Back to pork....few of my Muslim friends simple enjoy eating it..and all have Chinese wives. The power of women over men is cocksure...hahahahahahaha Concerning pork…this is an interesting subject..why Muslims cannot eat pork in Malaysia.
You see….1500 years ago…hundreds of Chinese Muslims go to Mecca….and they bring along dried or roasted meat.
Roasted pork meat attracted the local inhabitants.
So Chinese gave and share…so much so…it became the most wanted meat. Chinese took the advantage and set up stalls to sell roasted pork meat.
In Middle East..only lambs and camel meat available.
That got Mohammad’s smart wife…to come out with the haram story…and what Mohammad commands…..all must follow.
And it was logical too!! Pork was real dirty. It was mostly wild boars…..not like what we eat today.
So eating wild boar meat…people get diarrhea easily and die.
Stuck for 1500 years…never change..even though pigs are so clean and consumed by all others.
I went to India few times and love to talk to Indians..a real bunch of open minded democratic people..from road side to the most well educated..all open minded fellas.
I asked them…why no eat cow meat…knowing what they will tell me.
Battling them…not logical..so poor country…so idiotic…some confessed… they do eat cow meat at home secretly.
I say ….why not openly. Shiva…Ganash…Murugam will not punish them…I guaranteed that. They smiled and said…but government will lock them up….end of story.
So you see…no good practical and up to date laws..to suit time and conditions…do make people hide to do thinks.
I am a Buddhist and supposed not to eat beef too.
In USA….you don’t eat beef…you may not enjoy food at all.
So I ate….and that’s it….it is the “Way Of Life” I see fit for myself.
I tried to be vegetarian..no good. I need meat to have strength and energy.
To eat only vegetables..once a week…no problem. Simply love it.
Back to pork….few of my Muslim friends simple enjoy eating it..and all have Chinese wives.
The power of women over men is cocksure…hahahahahahaha

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182261 monsterball Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:28:23 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182261 One more thing....universal to all religion..although UMNO will never endorse it. As long as you do or say things with no selfish ulterior motives...no personal benefits...nothing is said or done wrong. Buddhist monks do not kill any living thing,.but they kill hundreds of ants or any living thing of the ground ...while walking. No sin la....hahahahahhaha One more thing….universal to all religion..although UMNO will never endorse it.
As long as you do or say things with no selfish ulterior motives…no personal benefits…nothing is said or done wrong.
Buddhist monks do not kill any living thing,.but they kill hundreds of ants or any living thing of the ground …while walking.
No sin la….hahahahahhaha

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182259 monsterball Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:21:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182259 hahahahahaha....frankyapp...what do you I am?....a third kind ...came to Malaysia? Can you tell me....which skeleton is a Muslim or a Christian..or Buddhist...if I lay down 3 for you to identify? Does Muslim blood have different formulas? Pork seller do not deal with Muslims la. But pork seller sells fruitsin the evening at pasar malam..God help the muslims....hahahahahaha What is important...money changed hands..from pork seller to Muslims...how?..smell it first before taking the change ah? How does a Muslim ringgit smell from a pork seller ringgit? OK..frankyapp...seriously speaking..a dying person cares two hoots what blood it is from....as long as the blood saves lives. Surgeons have not time for this crabs. Do not mix our idiotic UMNO unpractical Islamic values with commonsense. No religions teaches race separations nor discrimination. It is stone age law and order...and we are still living in the stone age Islamic laws....interpreted by UMNO...to suit their evil and selfish agendas....to rule us forever. I hope you are satisfied with my reply. hahahahahaha….frankyapp…what do you I am?….a third kind …came to Malaysia?
Can you tell me….which skeleton is a Muslim or a Christian..or Buddhist…if I lay down 3 for you to identify?
Does Muslim blood have different formulas?
Pork seller do not deal with Muslims la.
But pork seller sells fruitsin the evening at pasar malam..God help the muslims….hahahahahaha
What is important…money changed hands..from pork seller to Muslims…how?..smell it first before taking the change ah? How does a Muslim ringgit smell from a pork seller ringgit?
OK..frankyapp…seriously speaking..a dying person cares two hoots what blood it is from….as long as the blood saves lives.
Surgeons have not time for this crabs.
Do not mix our idiotic UMNO unpractical Islamic values with commonsense.
No religions teaches race separations nor discrimination.
It is stone age law and order…and we are still living in the stone age Islamic laws….interpreted by UMNO…to suit their evil and selfish agendas….to rule us forever.
I hope you are satisfied with my reply.

]]> By: frankyapp http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182169 frankyapp Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:20:43 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182169 Hi Monsterball,can you please tell me whether blood from non muslim is haram or non halal.Can muslim receives blood directly from non muslim.Oh yeap another matter I want you to enlighten me ,is it ok for muslim to receive cash from a pork seller ?. Hi Monsterball,can you please tell me whether blood from non muslim is haram or non halal.Can muslim receives blood directly from non muslim.Oh yeap another matter I want you to enlighten me ,is it ok for muslim to receive cash from a pork seller ?.

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182132 monsterball Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:31:51 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182132 Surgeons and Veterinarians are saving lives..and animals,. They see no race nor religion...nor what breed that animal is. Unfortunately...we had a very corrupted doctor for 22 years as PM...played race and religion to the limit. What if he is a surgeon? So you see...doctor's good reputation in Malaysia.....gone to the drain..led by half Indian..half Malay ba...trd. Surgeons and Veterinarians are saving lives..and animals,.
They see no race nor religion…nor what breed that animal is.
Unfortunately…we had a very corrupted doctor for 22 years as PM…played race and religion to the limit.
What if he is a surgeon?
So you see…doctor’s good reputation in Malaysia…..gone to the drain..led by half Indian..half Malay ba…trd.

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182131 monsterball Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:24:49 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182131 I have many Veterinarians as friends. All said...they seldom or never treated dogs brought in by Malays. I have 10 dogs...one died two months out of old age.. and I gave one away to a Muslim friend...one week ago... and visiting Vets is my weekly chore..costing me a bundle tough... medical fees......hahahahahaha So many Malays..all brought in cats..and other animals....never once I saw a dog. I have many Veterinarians as friends.
All said…they seldom or never treated dogs brought in by Malays.
I have 10 dogs…one died two months out of old age.. and I gave one away to a Muslim friend…one week ago… and visiting Vets is my weekly chore..costing me a bundle tough… medical fees……hahahahahaha
So many Malays..all brought in cats..and other animals….never once I saw a dog.

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182130 monsterball Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:17:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182130 frankyapp........I am 100% sure ..dog is harm to Muslims in Malaysia. But try to fool professionals...not so easy. That's why UMNO dare not touch your Muslim animal doctor. Go to man in the streets and ask them. 100 out of 100..will say.....muslims cannot have dogs in their house........yet many retired police inspectors I know..simply love dogs...especial Alsatians. frankyapp……..I am 100% sure ..dog is harm to Muslims in Malaysia.
But try to fool professionals…not so easy.
That’s why UMNO dare not touch your Muslim animal doctor.
Go to man in the streets and ask them.
100 out of 100..will say…..muslims cannot have dogs in their house……..yet many retired police inspectors I know..simply love dogs…especial Alsatians.

]]> By: frankyapp http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182124 frankyapp Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:41 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182124 Monsterball,please double check that dog is haram in our country.You know I have a muslim malay friend in KK and he's a qualified DR.Binatang or a veterinary surgeon. His major business is handling dogs.He once told me he handled or did surgery for men's best friend at almost a dozen times daily.If it's haram then how he gets a federal health ministry certificative to run his medical animal centre. Other than Monsterball,can someone please enlighted me on this haram or no haram matter . Monsterball,please double check that dog is haram in our country.You know I have a muslim malay friend in KK and he’s a qualified DR.Binatang or a veterinary surgeon. His major business is handling dogs.He once told me he handled or did surgery for men’s best friend at almost a dozen times daily.If it’s haram then how he gets a federal health ministry certificative to run his medical animal centre. Other than Monsterball,can someone please enlighted me on this haram or no haram matter .

]]> By: alhafar http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182110 alhafar Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:03:34 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182110 All religions are the same, in that it is fundamentally the quest of the individual for his/her connection with God, some higher being, or his/her true inner self depending on which is one's religious approach. And because this is a personal quest, no one can dictate how a person approaches religion. No amount of law, legislation or force and help a person reach his spiritual goal. All this regulation and politicisation of religion is purely political and opportunistic. In Buddha's teachings all humans, by fact that they are born into this world, are imperfect. Who can claim to be superior is surely a charlatan. All religions are the same, in that it is fundamentally the quest of the individual for his/her connection with God, some higher being, or his/her true inner self depending on which is one’s religious approach. And because this is a personal quest, no one can dictate how a person approaches religion. No amount of law, legislation or force and help a person reach his spiritual goal. All this regulation and politicisation of religion is purely political and opportunistic. In Buddha’s teachings all humans, by fact that they are born into this world, are imperfect. Who can claim to be superior is surely a charlatan.

]]> By: frankyapp http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182050 frankyapp Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:17:53 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182050 God is love,God is rightious.God is merciful and God is greatest.Most of all GOD is perfect.Men/Wemen are sinners and are never perfect.No one particular race who claims to own a particular religion can claim to be exclusively correct in the interpretation of the religion he processes.Hence I think any qualified person be he a muslim or christian has the right to interprete and express his opinion on his own religion and the reiigion of others.Anyone who thinks otherwise is not only narrow minded but also goes against his religion and GOD. God is love,God is rightious.God is merciful and God is greatest.Most of all GOD is perfect.Men/Wemen are sinners and are never perfect.No one particular race who claims to own a particular religion can claim to be exclusively correct in the interpretation of the religion he processes.Hence I think any qualified person be he a muslim or christian has the right to interprete and express his opinion on his own religion and the reiigion of others.Anyone who thinks otherwise is not only narrow minded but also goes against his religion and GOD.

]]> By: TomThumb http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182039 TomThumb Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:45:01 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182039 salman rushdie has written all there is to know about the satanic verses salman rushdie has written all there is to know about the satanic verses

]]> By: ENDANGERED HORNBILL http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182028 ENDANGERED HORNBILL Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:02:10 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182028 There are literally hundreds of books written, offering differing interpretations on the Christian faith, yes even questioning Jesus' birth, life and death - even his morals and whether he was mere man and not God. The BIBLE is not spared all the scrutiny either - by priests, politicians and pariahs. There is nothing to conceal if TRUTH is investigated, flipped around a million different ways and studied. We shouldn't take out the machetes simply because someone has a different opinion. Hey, this is 21st century, man. God gave us all ears to listen, eyes to see, mouths to speak and minds to think. Or are we saying there are some are mentally handicapped and have lesser senses than these? There are literally hundreds of books written, offering differing interpretations on the Christian faith, yes even questioning Jesus’ birth, life and death – even his morals and whether he was mere man and not God. The BIBLE is not spared all the scrutiny either – by priests, politicians and pariahs.

There is nothing to conceal if TRUTH is investigated, flipped around a million different ways and studied.

We shouldn’t take out the machetes simply because someone has a different opinion. Hey, this is 21st century, man. God gave us all ears to listen, eyes to see, mouths to speak and minds to think. Or are we saying there are some are mentally handicapped and have lesser senses than these?

]]> By: OrangRojak http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182025 OrangRojak Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:45:14 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182025 'a social phenomena [phenomenon?]' Great conclusion to the article - Good job. Not sure about the value of Qutb's contribution to the article. Some impacts serve to make Islam more concrete and extend its reach. Others may seem to weaken Islam or restrict its reach. Qutb's contribution would be welcomed while SIS' might be rejected because their contributions respectively increased and decreased the power of those in control of Islam. It's not relevant in a series of articles in support of the Sisters' plight (among others), but - given the qualification in your conclusion - how do you feel about non-religious interpretations of religious texts, in the arts for example? It's not a challenge, I'd be interested in your view. Maybe you should wait a few years, so the two subjects are not confused with each other! ‘a social phenomena [phenomenon?]‘

Great conclusion to the article – Good job.

Not sure about the value of Qutb’s contribution to the article. Some impacts serve to make Islam more concrete and extend its reach. Others may seem to weaken Islam or restrict its reach. Qutb’s contribution would be welcomed while SIS’ might be rejected because their contributions respectively increased and decreased the power of those in control of Islam.

It’s not relevant in a series of articles in support of the Sisters’ plight (among others), but – given the qualification in your conclusion – how do you feel about non-religious interpretations of religious texts, in the arts for example? It’s not a challenge, I’d be interested in your view. Maybe you should wait a few years, so the two subjects are not confused with each other!

]]> By: monsterball http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/26/%e2%80%9cyou-are-not-qualified-to-interpret-my-religious-text%e2%80%9d-how-to-respond-to-attempts-to-close-the-public-domain-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-182023 monsterball Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:31:48 +0000 http://blog.limkitsiang.com/?p=4840#comment-182023 This is a sick subject from a sick country. Religion and race are backwards and not worth discussing. I have a strange feeling....Farish A Noor want to bring this subject up...for an agenda not beneficial to unity at all. TRUTHS is the name of the game with religions...all religions....and we can observe how much truths have we learn in Malaysia..on religions..when the government itself is not truthful...with Muslims. For your information...I just found out in Morroco and Afghanistan...Muslims love and rare dogs openly. Here..one needs to bathe 7 times..with chanted leaves..if a dog saliva touches his skin!! Whole world knows.dog is the men's best friend. Here in Malaysia.. UMNO teaches Muslims ..it is haram...no no get near to that poor great animal. By the way..in Indonesia...it is more open minded....although it is also haram to certain Muslims. But being a country with more than 250 million....race and religion dirty politics is almost non existence. They focus to develop Indonesia and is doing a great job. Here with 17 million..so much problems.....all because race and religion...to divide and rule...on going......love to see it go backward.......and rule Malaysians like jungle people. Do not be fooled by Twin Towers...developed cities and those UMNO guys dressed in suits. Stand few feet backwards and see the real picture. We have never been united by UMNO at all. This is a sick subject from a sick country.
Religion and race are backwards and not worth discussing.
I have a strange feeling….Farish A Noor want to bring this subject up…for an agenda not beneficial to unity at all.
TRUTHS is the name of the game with religions…all religions….and we can observe how much truths have we learn in Malaysia..on religions..when the government itself is not truthful…with Muslims.
For your information…I just found out in Morroco and Afghanistan…Muslims love and rare dogs openly.
Here..one needs to bathe 7 times..with chanted leaves..if a dog saliva touches his skin!!
Whole world knows.dog is the men’s best friend.
Here in Malaysia.. UMNO teaches Muslims ..it is haram…no no get near to that poor great animal.
By the way..in Indonesia…it is more open minded….although it is also haram to certain Muslims.
But being a country with more than 250 million….race and religion dirty politics is almost non existence.
They focus to develop Indonesia and is doing a great job.
Here with 17 million..so much problems…..all because race and religion…to divide and rule…on going……love to see it go backward…….and rule Malaysians like jungle people.
Do not be fooled by Twin Towers…developed cities and those UMNO guys dressed in suits.
Stand few feet backwards and see the real picture.
We have never been united by UMNO at all.

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