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	<title>Comments on: Pakatan Rakyat&#8217;s Stand on Unity Government</title>
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		<title>By: the reds</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181707</link>
		<dc:creator>the reds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt, PR is definitely my choice next GE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt, PR is definitely my choice next GE!</p>
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		<title>By: vsp</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181688</link>
		<dc:creator>vsp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;1 Malaysia&#039; is just a hogwash. It is just a desperate attempt to hoodwink Malaysians with sweet words and sentimentality but devoid of sincerity and action. It is just a device to throw a lifeline to a behemoth UMNO gasping for breath in order to make it relevant again. 

But Malaysians are not fooled. Malaysians have woke up after a long slumber and can now discern the machination and chicanery employed by a corrupt and bankrupt government which has so long used the opiate of development and security to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. 

They have used the MSM with diabolical effect to deny the truth but the Internet has now become their nemesis. Soon the Internet will render irrelevant the monstrous MSM spinmeisters. The Internet has spawn a legion of free publishers and broadcasters with low cost. Now to run a newspaper and a TV station does not involve high investment in building, staff and machinery. Technically and practically, the Internet has made it possible for a one-man media outfit to achieve the same result that would require an organization before it.

Najib is a sleek operator of lies and cunning. His talk of a united Malaysia is a gibberish mix that has not yet put on flesh. His idea of walking around the street, kissing babies and cutting birthday cakes sort of things have become blasé to a discerning population. That was yesterday&#039;s recipe which has become stale. While talking about a united nation without any conviction he was seduced by the Unity government, which seeks to make one race dominant while conveniently jettisons the contributions of other races. This is a diametrical turnaround of his purported &#039;1 Malaysia&#039; and has make it into a big joke.

Now Najib, who are you kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;1 Malaysia&#8217; is just a hogwash. It is just a desperate attempt to hoodwink Malaysians with sweet words and sentimentality but devoid of sincerity and action. It is just a device to throw a lifeline to a behemoth UMNO gasping for breath in order to make it relevant again. </p>
<p>But Malaysians are not fooled. Malaysians have woke up after a long slumber and can now discern the machination and chicanery employed by a corrupt and bankrupt government which has so long used the opiate of development and security to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. </p>
<p>They have used the MSM with diabolical effect to deny the truth but the Internet has now become their nemesis. Soon the Internet will render irrelevant the monstrous MSM spinmeisters. The Internet has spawn a legion of free publishers and broadcasters with low cost. Now to run a newspaper and a TV station does not involve high investment in building, staff and machinery. Technically and practically, the Internet has made it possible for a one-man media outfit to achieve the same result that would require an organization before it.</p>
<p>Najib is a sleek operator of lies and cunning. His talk of a united Malaysia is a gibberish mix that has not yet put on flesh. His idea of walking around the street, kissing babies and cutting birthday cakes sort of things have become blasé to a discerning population. That was yesterday&#8217;s recipe which has become stale. While talking about a united nation without any conviction he was seduced by the Unity government, which seeks to make one race dominant while conveniently jettisons the contributions of other races. This is a diametrical turnaround of his purported &#8217;1 Malaysia&#8217; and has make it into a big joke.</p>
<p>Now Najib, who are you kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10% trying to contribute to this blog, 90% politiking (as when he alternates between criticising and then praising/redeeming LimKamPut :)  

you should join Hadi in PAS and grow a beard too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10% trying to contribute to this blog, 90% politiking (as when he alternates between criticising and then praising/redeeming LimKamPut :)  </p>
<p>you should join Hadi in PAS and grow a beard too!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is there so difficult to understand about commitment by Hadi/PAS to no Unity Government is not necessarily a commitment to no further Unity Talk??? If you do not agree, deal with and confine to that issue, do not distract by introducing extraneous things about english, whether eloquent or bad as a basis to discredit (not the message itself) but messenger. As I have said before, it is the man who peddles most crap who thinks he is most qualified to label others as a crapshooter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is there so difficult to understand about commitment by Hadi/PAS to no Unity Government is not necessarily a commitment to no further Unity Talk??? If you do not agree, deal with and confine to that issue, do not distract by introducing extraneous things about english, whether eloquent or bad as a basis to discredit (not the message itself) but messenger. As I have said before, it is the man who peddles most crap who thinks he is most qualified to label others as a crapshooter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the pontificating crapshooter should just write simple English for all of us to understand.&quot; I do - only you don&#039;t understand!

Most other time, a blog toothache, of course there are times even you could also be agreeable - once people learn to agree with you!

If making false accusations, twisting and turning with dishonest arguments and misrepresenting others position were a disease, your case, in my observation, is in advance malignancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the pontificating crapshooter should just write simple English for all of us to understand.&#8221; I do &#8211; only you don&#8217;t understand!</p>
<p>Most other time, a blog toothache, of course there are times even you could also be agreeable &#8211; once people learn to agree with you!</p>
<p>If making false accusations, twisting and turning with dishonest arguments and misrepresenting others position were a disease, your case, in my observation, is in advance malignancy.</p>
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		<title>By: House Victim</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181680</link>
		<dc:creator>House Victim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The Statement only give a sign that the Leader of the three Parties has sought a Common Understanding against the Call of Unity Government from BN. But it does not erase the possible crisis of cross-over or frogging! Especially with the DUST OF PERAK still in the air!!

2. Most probably PK is still shy to say BN Government is Rotten with abuse of Power, Law and Constitution and ignoring and suppressing Human Rights. The Unity proposal is aiming at Talk was aimed at Power Sharing instead of Responsibility sharing among Parties. sharing BN?Therefore, there is no reason for PK to have a Unity Government with BN!!

3. The Statement has NO sign what should be the Common Vision for all Parties in PK? So that there will be at least something to hold the coalition together that are Basically and Fundamentally interested by the People - Human Rights!! Such that differences among Parties will still be hold together under under Human Rights.

4. Should DAP. PKR and PAS think that People will stick to Party if Human Rights cannot be promoted and maintained?

5. Personally, I feel that the Leaders are addict with Party and still unconscious with the Importance of Human Rights and not believe that only Human Rights will help them strong. Only Human Rights can help to restore the Country so that it is not only for Malay or Malaysians but anyone which respect Human Rights - putting Malaysia back to the International Stage.

WILL THE THREE PARTIES THINK HARD ONT HIS MATTER??

6. Please note the getting popularity of PK is because of the Rotten and continue Rotting of BN. There is no proven record to tell People that any of these Three Party can perform or know how to perform. IT IS JUST BETTER THAN THE WORST!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The Statement only give a sign that the Leader of the three Parties has sought a Common Understanding against the Call of Unity Government from BN. But it does not erase the possible crisis of cross-over or frogging! Especially with the DUST OF PERAK still in the air!!</p>
<p>2. Most probably PK is still shy to say BN Government is Rotten with abuse of Power, Law and Constitution and ignoring and suppressing Human Rights. The Unity proposal is aiming at Talk was aimed at Power Sharing instead of Responsibility sharing among Parties. sharing BN?Therefore, there is no reason for PK to have a Unity Government with BN!!</p>
<p>3. The Statement has NO sign what should be the Common Vision for all Parties in PK? So that there will be at least something to hold the coalition together that are Basically and Fundamentally interested by the People &#8211; Human Rights!! Such that differences among Parties will still be hold together under under Human Rights.</p>
<p>4. Should DAP. PKR and PAS think that People will stick to Party if Human Rights cannot be promoted and maintained?</p>
<p>5. Personally, I feel that the Leaders are addict with Party and still unconscious with the Importance of Human Rights and not believe that only Human Rights will help them strong. Only Human Rights can help to restore the Country so that it is not only for Malay or Malaysians but anyone which respect Human Rights &#8211; putting Malaysia back to the International Stage.</p>
<p>WILL THE THREE PARTIES THINK HARD ONT HIS MATTER??</p>
<p>6. Please note the getting popularity of PK is because of the Rotten and continue Rotting of BN. There is no proven record to tell People that any of these Three Party can perform or know how to perform. IT IS JUST BETTER THAN THE WORST!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181678</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>///For one who openly writes “I don’t deny that I write eloquently”, this is simply gobbledegook/// - Godfather

Whether or not it is &#039;gobbledegook&#039; to you is a matter of no consequence to me. 

I just want to set the record straight that I have neither stated nor meant to imply that I write eloquently, which you persisted for months at end making/repeating false accusations imputing that I did (in some misty past), thinking that if you repeated this often enough, it would stick on people who were not witness to the exchange in the past, and knew nothing of what was actually said. 

Which only shows how despicable and intentionally dishonest the vile manner by which you conduct discourse in this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>///For one who openly writes “I don’t deny that I write eloquently”, this is simply gobbledegook/// &#8211; Godfather</p>
<p>Whether or not it is &#8216;gobbledegook&#8217; to you is a matter of no consequence to me. </p>
<p>I just want to set the record straight that I have neither stated nor meant to imply that I write eloquently, which you persisted for months at end making/repeating false accusations imputing that I did (in some misty past), thinking that if you repeated this often enough, it would stick on people who were not witness to the exchange in the past, and knew nothing of what was actually said. </p>
<p>Which only shows how despicable and intentionally dishonest the vile manner by which you conduct discourse in this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181671</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While BN is not an outstanding example of a good coalition, at least the objectives of its respective parties are more or less synergistic and aligned.&quot; - imranj78

Yes, when the shit hits the fan!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While BN is not an outstanding example of a good coalition, at least the objectives of its respective parties are more or less synergistic and aligned.&#8221; &#8211; imranj78</p>
<p>Yes, when the shit hits the fan!!!</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181670</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The past few days have shown PR for what it is – an informal coalition with diverging visions for Malaysia. If you want PR to be taken seriously, it is time a formal coalition is formed and registered (like BN), all contests should be under PR and not the respective parties, PR should have a clear shadow cabinet, no more hiding behind `common objectives’ and sweeping key idealogical issues under the carpet when key differences between PR parties crop up etc.&quot; - imranj78

There is no need to deny that although PKR, DAP and PAS as a coalition and yet they are competing against each other. Even if PR is registered, PAS still can join UMNO, so what is the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The past few days have shown PR for what it is – an informal coalition with diverging visions for Malaysia. If you want PR to be taken seriously, it is time a formal coalition is formed and registered (like BN), all contests should be under PR and not the respective parties, PR should have a clear shadow cabinet, no more hiding behind `common objectives’ and sweeping key idealogical issues under the carpet when key differences between PR parties crop up etc.&#8221; &#8211; imranj78</p>
<p>There is no need to deny that although PKR, DAP and PAS as a coalition and yet they are competing against each other. Even if PR is registered, PAS still can join UMNO, so what is the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: dawsheng</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181667</link>
		<dc:creator>dawsheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This issue seems to have been settled, at least for now. But in my view, matters such as this will continue to haunt PR until a longer term solution is found. We should know well that when people of different and non synergistic idealogies sit together (e.g. PKR/DAP vs PAS), the show of unity and common front is only superficial and does not run deep.&quot; - imranj78

UMNO want PAS but PAS reject UMNO because of PR? Of course not! Yes, PAS still can join UMNO after this, PAS can join UMNO anytime, but that will be the end for PAS, because they know UMNO is sinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This issue seems to have been settled, at least for now. But in my view, matters such as this will continue to haunt PR until a longer term solution is found. We should know well that when people of different and non synergistic idealogies sit together (e.g. PKR/DAP vs PAS), the show of unity and common front is only superficial and does not run deep.&#8221; &#8211; imranj78</p>
<p>UMNO want PAS but PAS reject UMNO because of PR? Of course not! Yes, PAS still can join UMNO after this, PAS can join UMNO anytime, but that will be the end for PAS, because they know UMNO is sinking.</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181659</link>
		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everytime PAS made some political gains
PAS got swollen headed and showed their true colour
There are some sincere and righteous PAS politicians
But unfortunately they are the minority</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everytime PAS made some political gains<br />
PAS got swollen headed and showed their true colour<br />
There are some sincere and righteous PAS politicians<br />
But unfortunately they are the minority</p>
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		<title>By: boh-liao</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181658</link>
		<dc:creator>boh-liao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the Malays are insecured
and have the tribal basic instinct to abang-adik themselves
and refuse to accept others as fellow Malaysians
Malaysia, as a nation, does not have much future
PAS n Umno are truly hopeless racists
and destroyers of Malaysia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the Malays are insecured<br />
and have the tribal basic instinct to abang-adik themselves<br />
and refuse to accept others as fellow Malaysians<br />
Malaysia, as a nation, does not have much future<br />
PAS n Umno are truly hopeless racists<br />
and destroyers of Malaysia</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181657</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is Unity Talk that explores parameters whether Unity Govt were possible fater Unity Talk.&quot;  Crapshooter

For one who openly writes &quot;I don&#039;t deny that I write eloquently&quot;, this is simply gobbledegook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is Unity Talk that explores parameters whether Unity Govt were possible fater Unity Talk.&#8221;  Crapshooter</p>
<p>For one who openly writes &#8220;I don&#8217;t deny that I write eloquently&#8221;, this is simply gobbledegook.</p>
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		<title>By: Godfather</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181655</link>
		<dc:creator>Godfather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or that one cannot whilst committing no no unity govt is necessarily precluded fvrom no unity talk&quot; is not terribly eloquent English.

I think the pontificating crapshooter should just write simple English for all of us to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or that one cannot whilst committing no no unity govt is necessarily precluded fvrom no unity talk&#8221; is not terribly eloquent English.</p>
<p>I think the pontificating crapshooter should just write simple English for all of us to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181654</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how even for a person like Godfather who says English is not his first language (as if it were mine) to be unable or refuse to know the difference between the two expressions &quot;government&quot; and &quot;talk&quot;, and thinking that a commitment to no &quot;Unity Govt&quot; is exactly equivalent to commitment to &quot;No Unity talk&quot; revolving around unity of race or religion! Or that one cannot whilst committing no no unity govt is necessarily precluded fvrom no unity talk; or that no unity govt is any meaningful when one is allowed to freely talk with one&#039;s rival without the rest of the other partners; or that such talk may not pave the way to an alliance with the opposite side, by which time, when talk have reached that matured stage of finalisation of merger, the breach of the earlier promise to one &#039;s other partners not to have unity govt has become no more relevant or important!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how even for a person like Godfather who says English is not his first language (as if it were mine) to be unable or refuse to know the difference between the two expressions &#8220;government&#8221; and &#8220;talk&#8221;, and thinking that a commitment to no &#8220;Unity Govt&#8221; is exactly equivalent to commitment to &#8220;No Unity talk&#8221; revolving around unity of race or religion! Or that one cannot whilst committing no no unity govt is necessarily precluded fvrom no unity talk; or that no unity govt is any meaningful when one is allowed to freely talk with one&#8217;s rival without the rest of the other partners; or that such talk may not pave the way to an alliance with the opposite side, by which time, when talk have reached that matured stage of finalisation of merger, the breach of the earlier promise to one &#8216;s other partners not to have unity govt has become no more relevant or important!</p>
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		<title>By: imranj78</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181653</link>
		<dc:creator>imranj78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue seems to have been settled, at least for now. But in my view, matters such as this will continue to haunt PR until a longer term solution is found. We should know well that when people of different and non synergistic idealogies sit together (e.g. PKR/DAP vs PAS), the show of unity and common front is only superficial and does not run deep. The past few days have shown PR for what it is – an informal coalition with diverging visions for Malaysia. If you want PR to be taken seriously, it is time a formal coalition is formed and registered (like BN), all contests should be under PR and not the respective parties, PR should have a clear shadow cabinet, no more hiding behind `common objectives’ and sweeping key idealogical issues under the carpet when key differences between PR parties crop up etc. While BN is not an outstanding example of a good coalition, at least the objectives of its respective parties are more or less synergistic and aligned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue seems to have been settled, at least for now. But in my view, matters such as this will continue to haunt PR until a longer term solution is found. We should know well that when people of different and non synergistic idealogies sit together (e.g. PKR/DAP vs PAS), the show of unity and common front is only superficial and does not run deep. The past few days have shown PR for what it is – an informal coalition with diverging visions for Malaysia. If you want PR to be taken seriously, it is time a formal coalition is formed and registered (like BN), all contests should be under PR and not the respective parties, PR should have a clear shadow cabinet, no more hiding behind `common objectives’ and sweeping key idealogical issues under the carpet when key differences between PR parties crop up etc. While BN is not an outstanding example of a good coalition, at least the objectives of its respective parties are more or less synergistic and aligned.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181652</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the important distinction between not having &quot;Unity Government&quot; from &quot;not having Unity Talk&quot; (in relation to race or religion) Godfather, in his usual short-sightedness and unthinking way, mocked &quot;Oooooo….the crapshooter now tries to correct the English of the PR Council&quot;, thinking that it is all an issue of English, missing thus (as customary) the woods from the trees!

When one like PAS&#039;s Hadi rejects Unity Govt with UMNO/ Barisan Nasional, it does not necessarily imply one cannot have Unity Talks (whether based on religion or race) with UMNO/ Barisan Nasional.

The more important of the two is Unity Talks that ought to be prevented!

It is Unity Talk that explores parameters whether Unity Govt were possible fater Unity Talk. No one would have Unity Govt without first having Unity talk!

The terms of coming together and what&#039;s the benefit will be ironed out if they are permitted to talk and converse. That is why Unity Talk is more dangerous.

Once talk proves alliance with (say) UMNO/BN is beneficial, then it becomes academic that PAS or a section of it has earlier promised the other 2 partners that it won’t form the Unity Govt with the rival. 

This is because when one leaves and unite with a new partner, will one care what one has promised an existing partner (abandoned) earlier?

To use a homespuun analogy. Supposing one has a wife. To have her declare that she will not leave/divorce you and marry (unite) with her ex boyfriend  is meaningless if she were allowed – meanwhile – to converse, stay in contact and engage with her ex- boyfriend because it is precisely through these conversations she could detemine with clarity the benefit of changing partners. Once that benefit is confirmed, then it matters not that she has made an earlier cvommitment with existing partner not to look for an alternative partner! She could breach it with impunity because she has already the opportunity (though conversations and talk) with the suitor to prepare for safe landing on the other side of the fence!

So the more important issue in terms of stability of Union of two or three partners is that there should be no unity talk by anyone with the rival opponent (unless all pertners talk together).

To say that all agree to no unity govt/alliance with the rival without making clear that there is also to be no unity talk by one of the partners with the rival is to open a loophole for the most important condition for Unity Govt to take place – the prior Unity Talk laying the groundwork for Unity Government!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the important distinction between not having &#8220;Unity Government&#8221; from &#8220;not having Unity Talk&#8221; (in relation to race or religion) Godfather, in his usual short-sightedness and unthinking way, mocked &#8220;Oooooo….the crapshooter now tries to correct the English of the PR Council&#8221;, thinking that it is all an issue of English, missing thus (as customary) the woods from the trees!</p>
<p>When one like PAS&#8217;s Hadi rejects Unity Govt with UMNO/ Barisan Nasional, it does not necessarily imply one cannot have Unity Talks (whether based on religion or race) with UMNO/ Barisan Nasional.</p>
<p>The more important of the two is Unity Talks that ought to be prevented!</p>
<p>It is Unity Talk that explores parameters whether Unity Govt were possible fater Unity Talk. No one would have Unity Govt without first having Unity talk!</p>
<p>The terms of coming together and what&#8217;s the benefit will be ironed out if they are permitted to talk and converse. That is why Unity Talk is more dangerous.</p>
<p>Once talk proves alliance with (say) UMNO/BN is beneficial, then it becomes academic that PAS or a section of it has earlier promised the other 2 partners that it won’t form the Unity Govt with the rival. </p>
<p>This is because when one leaves and unite with a new partner, will one care what one has promised an existing partner (abandoned) earlier?</p>
<p>To use a homespuun analogy. Supposing one has a wife. To have her declare that she will not leave/divorce you and marry (unite) with her ex boyfriend  is meaningless if she were allowed – meanwhile – to converse, stay in contact and engage with her ex- boyfriend because it is precisely through these conversations she could detemine with clarity the benefit of changing partners. Once that benefit is confirmed, then it matters not that she has made an earlier cvommitment with existing partner not to look for an alternative partner! She could breach it with impunity because she has already the opportunity (though conversations and talk) with the suitor to prepare for safe landing on the other side of the fence!</p>
<p>So the more important issue in terms of stability of Union of two or three partners is that there should be no unity talk by anyone with the rival opponent (unless all pertners talk together).</p>
<p>To say that all agree to no unity govt/alliance with the rival without making clear that there is also to be no unity talk by one of the partners with the rival is to open a loophole for the most important condition for Unity Govt to take place – the prior Unity Talk laying the groundwork for Unity Government!</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181637</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a2a..Malaysian politics is very dirty...created by UMNO....focusing on race and religion...and using money to buy votes.
They also bought up few top police and judges.
Yes..we must not simply trust.
But focus on change of government and support PR.
If DAP and keDAILan are calm....take that as a sign  to Malaysians.......everything is under control. Do not simply believe what you read in papers.
And back to politics...as much as PR wants it straight forward and simple...UMNO keep twisting and turning with unfair and unjust rules.
Take PAS matter as a chess game.
Do you play chess?
Do not strengthen UMNO by criticizing PAS.
I have been supporting RPK for years and lately he criticized Anwar on the Chin Peng issue...in favour of UMNO and talk like a racialist. For the first time...I hit him, back!!
Look at Rocky aka Attan....he is bought by Najib!!
So situations changes.....but DAP/keDAILan  do not take the talk too seriously. Even Eng Guan and Karpal kept quiet.
So...lets be smart and watch for signals from PR........and do not fall into UMNO&#039;s traps.
Personally...PAS is th ultimate loosers... if they want to play race and religion with UMNO whose Islamic values and interpretations ..reputations...are totally different from PAS.
Yes...few PAS and UMNO racialists and fanatics...always  want the to combine. This is nothing new.
PAS have had its tastes of insults and treated like nobody co-operating with UMNO before.
Unless you know the history of these two parties....you will jump to wrong conclusions.
Bottom line....People&#039;s Power decides..........correct??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a2a..Malaysian politics is very dirty&#8230;created by UMNO&#8230;.focusing on race and religion&#8230;and using money to buy votes.<br />
They also bought up few top police and judges.<br />
Yes..we must not simply trust.<br />
But focus on change of government and support PR.<br />
If DAP and keDAILan are calm&#8230;.take that as a sign  to Malaysians&#8230;&#8230;.everything is under control. Do not simply believe what you read in papers.<br />
And back to politics&#8230;as much as PR wants it straight forward and simple&#8230;UMNO keep twisting and turning with unfair and unjust rules.<br />
Take PAS matter as a chess game.<br />
Do you play chess?<br />
Do not strengthen UMNO by criticizing PAS.<br />
I have been supporting RPK for years and lately he criticized Anwar on the Chin Peng issue&#8230;in favour of UMNO and talk like a racialist. For the first time&#8230;I hit him, back!!<br />
Look at Rocky aka Attan&#8230;.he is bought by Najib!!<br />
So situations changes&#8230;..but DAP/keDAILan  do not take the talk too seriously. Even Eng Guan and Karpal kept quiet.<br />
So&#8230;lets be smart and watch for signals from PR&#8230;&#8230;..and do not fall into UMNO&#8217;s traps.<br />
Personally&#8230;PAS is th ultimate loosers&#8230; if they want to play race and religion with UMNO whose Islamic values and interpretations ..reputations&#8230;are totally different from PAS.<br />
Yes&#8230;few PAS and UMNO racialists and fanatics&#8230;always  want the to combine. This is nothing new.<br />
PAS have had its tastes of insults and treated like nobody co-operating with UMNO before.<br />
Unless you know the history of these two parties&#8230;.you will jump to wrong conclusions.<br />
Bottom line&#8230;.People&#8217;s Power decides&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.correct??</p>
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		<title>By: ktteokt</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181636</link>
		<dc:creator>ktteokt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If at all a UNITY GOVERNMENT is viable, then PAS need not divorce UMNO decades ago and end up as an opposition party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If at all a UNITY GOVERNMENT is viable, then PAS need not divorce UMNO decades ago and end up as an opposition party!</p>
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		<title>By: a2a</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/22/pakatan-rakyats-stand-on-unity-government/comment-page-1/#comment-181631</link>
		<dc:creator>a2a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAS problem for PKR will never never be solved.

Because their agenda, core reading, core mind is Muslim, Muslim, Muslim.

If any politicalical party could help them achieve turn this country to Muslim and Muslim stronger, they willing to betray you to exchange to achieve their agenda/aims, there will not be any trust worth more than their aims Muslim, Muslim.

It is their core reading instruction from the top, Muslim, Muslim, it always be the aim, how to make muslim, muslim stronger.

IT IS A FACT. 

WAKE UP PKR. DON&#039;T LIVE IN A DREAM ELSE SOMEDAY YOU MAYBE TOO LATE TO WAKE UP.

LOOK AT THE FACT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAS problem for PKR will never never be solved.</p>
<p>Because their agenda, core reading, core mind is Muslim, Muslim, Muslim.</p>
<p>If any politicalical party could help them achieve turn this country to Muslim and Muslim stronger, they willing to betray you to exchange to achieve their agenda/aims, there will not be any trust worth more than their aims Muslim, Muslim.</p>
<p>It is their core reading instruction from the top, Muslim, Muslim, it always be the aim, how to make muslim, muslim stronger.</p>
<p>IT IS A FACT. </p>
<p>WAKE UP PKR. DON&#8217;T LIVE IN A DREAM ELSE SOMEDAY YOU MAYBE TOO LATE TO WAKE UP.</p>
<p>LOOK AT THE FACT.</p>
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