The gobbledegook of Augustine Paul FCJ in the Federal Court’s decision of Zambry v Sivakumar


By N H Chan

Gobbledegook

Most, if not all, laymen will find the written judgment of Augustine Paul FCJ – who eventually put in writing the judgment of the unanimous decision of the infamous five – most perplexing. I am not surprised. I find it unintelligible also – in fact, it is what the word “gobbledegook” means in the English language, “unintelligible language”.

In case you have forgotten

In case you have forgotten, I shall try to jolt your memory. The infamous five were Alauddin bin Dato’ Mohd Sheriff PCA, Arifin Zakaria CJM, Nik Hashim Nik Ab Rahman, Augustine Paul and Zulkefli Ahmad Makinudddin FCJJ. Their story exploded on the front page of the Star newspaper of Friday, 17 April 2009. It carried the startling and outrageous decision of the Federal Court. The headline proclaims, “Court: Siva does not have right to suspend seven”. The report reads:

PUTRJAYA: The Federal Court has unanimously ruled that Perak Assembly Speaker V Sivakumar does not have the power to suspend Mentri Besar Datuk Zambry Abd Kadir and six state ececutive council members from attending the assembly.

It granted a declaration that the seven assemblymen were entitled to take part in all the assembly sittings and to carry out their duties.

Court of Appeal president Justice Alauddin Mohd Sheriff, who chaired a five-men panel yesterday, said the Speaker’s decision to suspend the seven applicants was ultra vires (outside the law) and invalid.

In an article which was posted on the internet at the time, I wrote:

This is a perverse judgment of the Federal Court. It is perverse because it is a decision that was made in blatant defiance of Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution which says, “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court. The judges of the Federal Court have failed the people and the government of this country when they chose to ignore the law of the Constitution of Malaysia. In other words the judges have reffised to do justice according to law.

Incidentally, ultra vires does not mean “outside the law”. It means “outside one’s jurisdiction, beyond the scope of one’s power or authority”. And we may ask, who is the Federal Court to say what is beyond the jurisdiction of the Speaker when the supreme law of the country says that “the validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”.

In case you don’t remember who Augustine Paul J (as he was then) is. It was he whose judgment for convicting Anwar Ibrahim of so-called corruption under s 2(1) of the Emergency (Essential Powers) Ordinance ran to 208 closely printed pages in the Malayan Law Journal. The case was reported as Public Prosecutor v Anwar bin Ibrahim [1999] 2 MU 1. That verbose judgment came to nothing – it was all about known law which any law student can find in the textbooks. But he had earned for himself a place in infamy. This is what I have noted in my book How to Judge the Judges, Second Edition, Sweet & Maxwell Asia, p 8:

It was not the judgment that was criticized (it could even be impeccable) but the way the trial was conducted which attracted so much adverse comment and disapproval from television broadcast abroad and from the international press. The remarks and behaviour from the bench: like when the lawyers for the defence were threatened with contempt of court, in fact one of the defence lawyers was actually charged with the offence, and with the judge being difficult with the witnesses and counsel for the defence at almost every turn of the trial, gave the impression to the media and to those who were there that the judge was one-sided. It did not matter that the judge thought he was not. As Lord Devlin observed, “The judge who gives the right judgment while appearing not to do so may be thrice blessed in heaven, but on earth he is no use at all” (Patrick Devlin The Judge, p 3). Mr. Justice Augustine Paul, like the infamous Judge Jeffreys before him, by the manner in which he had conducted the trial and his behaviour on the bench brought ignominy and embarrassment to the reputation of the courts of this country. The decision could be set aside for apparent bias: see Exparte Pinochet Ugarit (No 2) [1999] 1 All ER 577 (HL(E)).

Augustine Paul FCJ- the judge who misses the point altogether

This time around he did it with 64 pages, on A4 size paper, of gobbledygook. This time, he did not sully his name with apparent bias. This time he did something just as bad – he blatantly disregarded Artcle 72(1) of the Federal Constitution. He had refused to apply the constitutional provision as it stands. He gave a judgment which has missed the point altogether. The late Lord Justice Salmon in an article “Some thoughts on the Traditions of the English Bar” (and I quote from the Perak Bar Bulletin, Vol. 1, No 2, December 2004) gave this advice to budding lawyers:

But remember this, in few cases, however complex, is there usually more than one point that matters. Very seldom are there more than two and never, well hardly ever, more than three. Discover the points that really matter. Stick to them and discard the rest. Nothing is more irritating to a tribunal than the advocate who takes every point possible and impossible. To do so is a very poor form of advocacy because the good points are apt to be swept away with the bad ones. Stick to what matters.

That was very sound advice to budding advocates from a very experienced judge. It seems to me to be very good advice also to judges who are not as competent as they should be. The message of Lord Justice Salmon is clear – don’t bark at the wrong tree or don’t miss the point.

Although Paul FCJ dealt with many points – like any novice lawyer – in his written judgment, there is actually only one point that really matters for the Federal Court to decide on in the present case. Any advocate with some ability will be able to tell you that. And that point is Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution. It reads:

The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any state shall not be questioned in any court.

All of us ordinary folk knew what the words in Article 72(1) mean. This constitutional provision is couched in simple English without any ambiguity whatsoever so that all of us sensible people could understand. The words mean exactly what they say – no more, no less. No court, not even the Federal Court, can tell us the words mean something else. But then we have the infamous five in the Federal Court who said that the words mean otherwise. Now Paul FCJ, who was one of the five, in his written judgment tries to rationalize the ruling that they have made, which is that the speaker of the legislative assembly Sivakumar had acted ultra vires something or other – we are not told what exactly Sivakumar had acted outside his power – when he suspended Zambry and his band from the assembly. However his reasoning went askew because he missed the point entirely by citing the wrong cases which did not support what he says.

In his written judgment Paul FCJ refers to Ah Thian v Government of Malaysia [1976] 2 MU 112, at 113 where Suffian LP said:

The doctrine of the supremacy of Parliament does not apply in Malaysia. Here we have a written constitution. The power of Parliament and of state legislatures in Malaysia is limited by the Constitution, and they cannot make any law they please.

What Suffian LP says is that Parliament, that is the legislature, is not supreme. The legislature cannot make any law which the supreme law does not allow. th other words, although Parliament can make any law, that law must not be a law which is prohibited or is not sanctioned by the Constitution. But how can this case be relevant to Article 720) which says “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”? Article 72(1) is a provision in the Constitution itself. It does not require the Constitution to sanction it. It is the Constitution itself . This case has no bearing whatsoever on the point in issue.

Next, he relies on Lim Kit Slang v Mahathir Mohamad [198711 MU 383 where Salleh Abas LP said this, at 386:

The courts are the final arbiter between the individual and the state and between individuals inter se, and in performing their constitutional role they must of necessity and strictly in accordance with the constitution and the law be the ultimate bulwark against unconstitutional legislation or excesses in administrative action.

Salleh Abas LP was speaking of unconstitutional legislation and excesses in administrative action. So, how can this be relevant to Article 72(1) which says that “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any state shall not be questioned in any court”? What happens inside the assembly cannot be questioned in any court. But the law passed by the legislature itself or its enforcement can be questioned if it is shown to be unconstitutional or ambiguous. A statute is unconstitutional if it is not sanctioned by the Constitution. If a statute or any of it provisions is capable of having more than one meaning then it is the function of the court to interpret it. In the case of an administrative action, the remedy of judicial review is available.

The next case which Paul FCJ relies on is Tim Mohamed Adnan Robert v Tun Mustapha [1987] 1 MU 471 where Abdul Hamid CJ said this, at 485:

The mere fact that a litigant seeks the protection of a political right does not mean that it presents a political question. Whether a matter raises a political question; whether it has been committed by the Constitution to another branch of government is itself a matter of judicial determination because the Constitution has made the Courts the ultimate interpreter of the Constitution.

What do you think of this remark? It seams like gobbledygook to me. All that gobbledygook just to say “the Constitution has made the Courts the ultimate interpreter of the Constitution.” All of us reasonable people can understand the plain meaning of the words in Article 720). How can the court interpret the obvious meaning of the words in• Article 72(1) where there is nothing to interpret at all? “Interpret” means “explain the meaning of”. Only someone with the mentality of Humpty Dumpty would say a word means whatever Humpty Dumpty would want it to mean. The words in Article 72(1) mean exactly what they say. Only Humpty Dumpty or his ilk will say that the words mean something else.

Paul FCJ also refers to Tan Chiaw Thong J in the High Court whose judgment according to Paul FCJ was approved in the case above, at p 475:

The first authority is the case of Fan Yew Teng v Government of Malaysia [1976] 2 MU 262 and it was contended on that authority, that once a LA has dealt with a matter, in this case the matter of the appointment of the Chief Minister and who in that capacity commands the confidence of the majority of members, the Court should not interfere directly or indirectly, in the same matter. With respect, as a proposition, this in my view is obviously too wide, as the authority of the LA must necessarily be confined to matters within its constitutional and legal powers and functions.

Actually what this High Court judge was trying to say is that he did not agree with Fan Yew Teng which was a decision of Chang Mm Tat J in the High Court. Now, let us take a look at Fan Yew Teng v Government of Malaysia [1976] 2 MU 262. It was a decision on the interpretation of Article 48 of the Federal Constitution. Fan was a member of Parliament who was convicted of sedition and was fined $2,000. In his judgment Chang I said, p263:

The conviction and fine imposed would appear to bring him within the scope of Article 48 of the Federal Constitution. This Article provides that –

“(1) Subject to the provisions of this Article, a person is disqualified for being a member of either House of Parliament if -
…….
(e) he has been convicted of an offence by a court of law in the Federation ……… and sentenced to imprisonment for a term of not less one year or to a fine of not less than two thousand dollars and has not received a free pardon.”

Fan applied to the High Court to declare that he has a constitutional right to exhaust his legal right of appeal up to the Privy Council and if unsuccessful to apply to the King for a free pardon before any question as to his disqualification can arise.

He succeeded before Chang Mm Tat J who granted him the declaratory orders applied for. But Tan Chiaw Thong J, according to Paul FCJ, disagreed. So there you are. It was a case on the interpretation of Article 48 of the Federal Constitution. The question is whether Fan has to be disqualified for membership of Parliament or was he entitled to exhaust his remedy of appeal all the way to the Privy Council, even to the Agong for a free pardon, before he could be disqualified. Again, this is not a case where Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution is concerned.

After Paul FCJ has referred to the above Malaysian cases, he followed with two Indian cases: Indian Supreme Court in Cooper v Union of India AIR 1970 SC 1318, 1320 and Raja Ram Pal v The Hon ‘ble Speaker, Lok Sabha & Ors SCC 3 [2007] 184, para. 57.

He also included a South African case, The Speaker of the National Assembly v De Lille MP & Anor ZASCA 50.

None of these foreign cases have Article 720) or its equivalent in their country’s Constitution. Therefore all these cases are irrelevant to the application of Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution..

Whether the speaker Sivakumar has the power to suspend Zambry and his band of six is not justiciable because Article 72(1) of our Federal Constitution says that “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”. The suspension of Zambry and his band of six in the Legislative Assembly of Perak was a proceeding in the Legislative Assembly. And the Federal Constitution in Article 720) says that the validity of the proceeding in the Assembly shall not be questioned in any court. Who is Paul FCJ to question the peremptory decree of the Constitution, the supreme law of the land?

Yet, in spite of the constitutional decree of Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution that no court shall question the validity of the proceeding in the Legislative Assembly of Perak where speaker Sivakumah had rightly or wrongly suspended Zambry and his band of six, Paul FCJ has blatantly refused to apply the constitutional provision of Article 72(1) as it stands. Defiantly, or pompously like Humpty Dumpty, he says:

……. Article 72(1) must be read as being subject to the existence of a power or jurisdiction, be it inherent or expressly provided for, to do whatever that has been done. The Court is empowered to ascertain whether a particular power that has been claimed has in fact been provided for.

So what? Even if the speaker does not have the power to suspend Zambry and his band of six, Article 72(1) of the Federal Constitution has decreed that the validity of the proceeding in the Legislative Assembly in which the speaker had suspended Zambry and his band of six from attending it, shall not be questioned in any court.

Duty and function of a judge

The duty of a judge is to ensure a fair trial. After that, the only function of a judge is to administer justice according to law.

The infamous five with Augustine Paul FCJ among them have blatantly refused to administer justice according to law in that they have refused to apply Article 720) of the Federal Constitution as it stands.

Lord Denifing in What Next in the Law, p 319 said:

Every law enacted by Parliament must be obeyed to the letter. No matter how unreasonable or unjust it may be, nevertheless, the judges have no option. They must apply the statute as it stands.

More so if the law is the Federal Constitution. The judges of the Federal Court have no option. They must apply Article 72(1) as it stands. If they failed to do that then they have failed to administer justice according to law. By not administering justice according to law, the judges could have breached section 3(1)(d) of the Judges’ Code of Ethics 1994.

Section 2(2) of the Judges’ Code of Ethics 1994 provides:

(2) The breach of any provision of this Code of Ethics may constitute a ground for the removal of a judge from office.

And s 3(l)(d) of the Code states:

3. (1) A judge shall not

(d) conduct himself dishonestly or in such a manner as to bring the
Judiciary into disrepute or to bring discredit thereto;

I think the words ins 3(l)(d) of the Code are plain enough – we all know what they mean. So that if a judge brings the Judiciary into disrepute or to bring discredit to it, as the infamous five Federal Court judges have done by not administering justice according to law, they could be removed from office under this provision of the Code.

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  1. #1 by Loh on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 2:11 pm

    ///As an ardent PR supporter you should have consistency to know that when in another matter of Sivakumar being subsequently forcibly removed as speaker by Ganesan/Hee & gang one of the first argument raised by Siva was that he could not be validly removed because at his time of removal, Raja Nazrin had not given his opening speech to convene the Legislative Assembly and hence there was no properly constituted Legislative Assembly (without Raja Nazrin’s opening speech) to cover his removal, which therefore was unlawful.///–Jefrey

    Zambry and the band of 6 having been suspended were not supposed to be in the Hall of the Assembly. Siva was prevented from presiding over the assemblyby force. Obviously Siva sitting on the chair could not stop being carried out by the police. But brute force cannot equal legal authority . So Siva is still the Speaker of Perak Assembly cannot be challenged. But then in police state, it is up to the police to decide who can sit on the Speaker’s chair come next meeting.

  2. #2 by KeenWatcher_01 on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 2:28 pm

    Watch this space. There will be more “Hari Ini Dalam Makhamah GangaRoo” on show. Interesting though more and more unimaginable plots after plots, spin after spin will be seen. Enjoy the drama everyone.

  3. #3 by Ken G on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 2:34 pm

    Contempt of Court? Don’t blame the public because judges like Augustine Paul deserve all the contempt they get. Alternatively, we can say that the public is giving them all the respect (or lack of it) that they deserve.

  4. #4 by Ken G on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 3:11 pm

    Godfather said: “I think NH Chan is not necessarily on the right track.”

    Whether Sivakumar acted within his power or not is not for the court to question. If an injustice has been committed, it cannot be corrected by the court but it can be attempted to be corrected in the Assembly itself.

    Of course if the might of majority is used an injustice may not be corrected in the Assembly. In this case, it will be corrected by the people at the next election.

    An example is Gobind’s suspension. Parliament suspended him from attending for 12 months. Fair enough, but they also suspended him AS AN MP for 12 months and stripped him of his allowance.

    An MP is elected by the people, so can you suspend a person as an MP? Who is going to represent the people in his constituency?

    There’s no doubt an injustice has been committed on Gobind and it cannot be corrected in Parliament where BN holds majority but neither can it be corrected in the court. It will be have to wait for the ultimate court of the people.

  5. #5 by Ken G on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 3:24 pm

    As for Jeffrey, which part of Article 72(1) don’t you understand? The Article does not say “unless the Assembly is improperly convened” or some other extra which you put in yourself. If half baked analysts with too much time on their hands are allowed to add in what they want, what is the Constitution worth? For wrapping fish?

    Using Sivakumar’s civil suit to bolster your argument is fallacious. Sivakumar may be right or wrong to bring his case to court but it doesn’t give your argument any credibility. Two wrongs do not make a right. Can your argument stand on its own without depending on Sivakumar’s unresolved case?

    As I’ve said before, any injustice cannot be corrected in the court as the Assembly is self-regulatory or failing that, in the court of the people as a final resort.

  6. #6 by Godfather on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 4:15 pm

    The pathological show-off is telling us that there is more to Article 72(1). He sees shadows, he imagines extra words and extra meanings. Despite his self-proclaimed eloquence in English, he still thinks there is “more to it” than the language in Article 72(1). He asks lots of what ifs. He wants to put himself into the shoes of the framers of our constitution so that he can come up with more eloquent language.

  7. #7 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 4:28 pm

    Regarding Ken G’s comments:

    1. On a standalone basis, the position should be recourse to courts for review is always there (for whichever side applying) if Legislative Assembly is not properly constituted/convened. Although the article does not say “unless the Assembly is improperly convened”, it does (without importing these words) say about an assembly and one may ask if there were an assembly in the first place within meaning of article when such an “assembly” is not properly constituted or convened.

    2. It has nothing to do with whether “two wrongs do not make a right”. Its about the acknowledgement by Sivakumar’s side that there is recourse to judicial review when proceeding challenged (ie his removal as Speaker) was during a legislative assembly meeting not properly constituted/convened, and that being the case a position expressed in 1. above cannot be denied by him and used selectively in the other case of Zambry’s suspension to argue that whether legislative assembly meeting was properly constituted/convened in that instance is unimportant or relevant.

  8. #8 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 4:37 pm

    Gobind’s suspension (fair or not fair) is an exercise of discretionary powers of Parliament’s speaker pursuant to standing orders in a parliamentary session, regarding which there is no dispute by any either side whether that parliament session was properly convened and constituted.

  9. #9 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 4:41 pm

    Godfather’s comments Today at 16: 15.26 (23 minutes ago) – no content worth responding except to note that they are contrary even to what he conceded in his earlier posting that “NH Chan is not necessarily on the right track.”

  10. #10 by limkamput on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 5:58 pm

    What is properly constituted state assembly? A legislative assembly in which those entitled to attend get to attend and not unlawfully excluded. Wannabe

    Huh, that is your interpretation. You are implying here that there are those entitled to attend but were UNLAWFULLY excluded. To me, I disagree. Then what?

    True, we have supporters from both sides who will never agree. Rightly then, the court should take the expressed provisions of the constitution when the situation is doubtful. Why chose to interpret away from the expressed provisions or like you purposely creating scenario to justify the court moving away from the expressed provisions of the constitution. Wannabe, I think each of us can’t run away from our own prejudice and biasness. In this particular case, i am the supporter of truth and justice. I don’t want to be a hypocrite but I don’t know about you.

    What specifically I find wrong in what you said? Wannabe

    You really want to know? Ok, I will let you know, and I don’t mean to be rude. You are that Court of Appeal Judge in the making, of course minus all the perks, benefits and salary and pension of that judge, got it? I don’t call you a wannabe for nothing.

  11. #11 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 6:37 pm

    ///minus all the perks, benefits and salary and pension/// – LimKamPut

    Precisely, I have no vested interest in interpreting any provision in a way skewed in favour of any side (certainly not for the sake of siding BN or anyone), it is just my opinion on how the word “Assembly” will or ought to be interpreted by an impartial judge, whether this be correct or wrong, agreeable or disagreeable to, and whether it accords with or otherwise injures the sentiments of others looking at the same issue.

    Others are entitled to their different interpretation. I have no beef with that.

  12. #12 by House Victim on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 6:41 pm

    WHETHER THE SPEAKER HAS THE RIGHTS TO DO SO – is a good and fundamental question!!
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    Key point is if this is what had been challenged in this case? Or, just Article 72 (1)?

    1) I believe the Court has a jurisdiction to interpret the Law if they were asked. And, WITHOUT BIAS (fundamental) to explain and not twisting!! – Is that what is meant by Judicial Review? to see if there are mis-interpretation of Law or Constitution or even wrong application of such.
    2) Article 72 (1) should non-applicable if the Constitution or Laws be wrongly cited or acted.
    3) I believe 72 (1) is there more for the consideration of Libel or Defamation actions and so on to encourage a Sincere and Honest Debate in LA or Parliament and not an Absolute clause.

    (Even the Constitution prescribed Sultan as immune to the Court, but I believe if they act against the interest of the State, they are still accountable in the Royal Court. Again, the question is IF SUCH COURT will hold JUSTICE!!)

    I believe what are the Rights of the Speaker is important for the People as well as MP or Assemblyman to know
    —————————————————————-Such as. if the Speaker of the Parliament has any Rights to object the Motion of Emergency Debate on the PKFZ. Shouldn’t the Duty of the Speaker is to announce what is the Motion and ask if anyone is to Second? The Reject of an Motion should be in the Hand of the MP or Assemblyman and NOT the Speaker!!

    The Speaker can ban MP or Assembly IF they had violated the Rules and Regulation of the Parliament or LA. But, shouldn’t there be an Appealing system in Parliament or LA, when it arises? I believe, they can still seek the Judicial Review from the Court, if appealing in the Parliament or LA not satisfactory.

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    MY UNDERSTANDING OF JEFFREY is : Everyone of US should be conscious of the Cause or Basic of any Queries arises.

    Same for the Scandal on PKFZ.
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    When the Sequent of Events or the Chart in the PWC report is correct and Clear, The Roots or Basic Cause should be the First to be addressed.
    1. WHEN THE PROJECT IS NOT EVEN OFFICIALLY AND PROPERLY APPROVED. THERE IS NOT POINT OF RECTIFYING IT FOR THE CONTINUATION AS THE PARLIAMENT HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO DO IT. The PAC and the so called Task Force Committee has no jurisdiction to act under PA (which governs the existing and running of PKA) and PAC should only act on what had been approved!!

    2. HOWEVER, THE PARLIAMENT HAS FULL LIABILITY TO INVESTIGATE AND ACT ON WHO AND WHAT HAD CAUSED THE FRAUDS AND TO PASS ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OR CLAIMING THE DAMAGES. – the JOB of RCI, with clear stipulations in Law. I hope someone can put a link to those Laws on RCI for a better picture.
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    THANKS JEFFERY FOR YOUR POINTS??
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  13. #13 by Jeffrey on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 7:30 pm

    House Victim, you’re welcome.

  14. #14 by TomThumb on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 8:41 pm

    jeff was merely making an observation which is that were a higher court, for example, to later find the assembly an illegal gathering in the sense that proceedings were being conducted with the participation of person or persons who have no business being there, what would be its effect on the consequences of decisions made by this improperly constituted assembly? a rhetorical question does not call for an answer.

    but a nincompoop had to come along to show how smart a nincompoop he is by saying that the solution, any solution to any problem, does not lie with our courts. the fact that he has not so far been caught taking a dump in the neigbour’s longkang at the back of his house to him is justification to take the next dump in the neighbour’s lawn.

  15. #15 by limkamput on Thursday, 18 June 2009 - 9:36 pm

    What can I say, i just hope that someday this dump will face dump justice in our dump court. By then i think it is too late for this dump to realise he is the epitome of dumps.

  16. #16 by slashed on Friday, 19 June 2009 - 4:26 am

    Godfather: ‘”I think NH Chan is not necessarily on the right track.

    According to what I have read elsewhere, the judgment was based on the premise that Sivakumar did not have the right in the first place to suspend Pangkor Pele and his merry band of thieves. The judge ruled that the Perak constitution has no provision for “contempt” and so to eject the BN reps for contempt was ultra vires. The judgment apparently went on to describe how certain states had provisions to enable the Speaker to suspend reps for contempt, but in this rather “unique” situation, the Perak state constitution does not have such a provision.”

    —–

    That makes sense.

    Pardon my lack of Malaysian public law. But based on my limited knowledge of public law, and my knowledge of law in general, my own reading of the plain words “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any state shall not be questioned in any court” is that it does not automatically entail that the court has no jurisdiction. Otherwise it suggests that any Assembly may act without the Constitution. Would it not be a blatant contradiction of terms that the very thing which empowers the Assembly can be disregarded by the Assembly?

    Therefore the words “any proceedings” must be read in the light of the context to mean any proceedings which it is empowered to do under the Constitution. And what exactly an Assembly is empowered to do is the very thing which a Court may question. It is what and how the Assembly exercise its power (once defined) which the Constitution shields from the Court’s gaze.

    “What Suffian LP says is that Parliament, that is the legislature, is not supreme. The legislature cannot make any law which the supreme law does not allow. th other words, although Parliament can make any law, that law must not be a law which is prohibited or is not sanctioned by the Constitution. But how can this case be relevant to Article 720) which says “The validity of any proceedings in the Legislative Assembly of any State shall not be questioned in any court”? Article 72(1) is a provision in the Constitution itself. It does not require the Constitution to sanction it. It is the Constitution itself . This case has no bearing whatsoever on the point in issue.” –NH Chan

    Now, if my previous reading is reasonable, it seems that NH Chan is the one missing the point in that paragraph. The fact that Parliament cannot make laws which is beyond the ambit allowed by the Constitution is precisely a crucial point and one which is relevant to the matter. The fact that Parliament is subject to the Constitution is analogous to the fact that the Assembly is subject that thing which defines its powers. It is straight to the point that ‘any proceedings’ is subject to what the Constitution or state constitution has already pronounced as the ambit of any Legislative Assembly.

  17. #17 by Keewildoo on Friday, 19 June 2009 - 8:24 am

    Dlashed says “Now, if my previous reading is reasonable, it seems that NH Chan is the one missing the point”.

    Even NH Chan is wrong in law many view he is not because he is on PR’s side. The legal position is judge can always question law, plain langauge or not. People say judge cannot. It is not because it is the law. It is because they are distrustful of the judge’s fairness.

  18. #18 by House Victim on Friday, 19 June 2009 - 9:08 am

    I believe it should come to a conclusion and to the fact that any Section of Law must be read as part of it and cannot be independent.

    1. In my opinion, the Malaysian Law and Constitution has been amended so many times with more intention to go away from FAIRNESS than Legislation should meant for. Therefore, there are a lot of BIAS, and traps when the Principle of Fairness, such as Rights & Obligations, Execution and Monitoring and the Appeal system, etc.. had been ignored – a basic contradiction to the Principle of Law.

    The Fundamental Problem is the Constitutional system – the Parliament or the State Assembly did put Legislation, Execution and Monitoring in different hands or Houses. And, I believe. the majority that were voted in did not care, or lacking the knowledge and worst of all NO heart to see FAIRNESS, or Ethnic of such. And, the Principle of Law – the Fairness or Fundamental purpose of the particular Law had not been emphasized.

    2. The CONSTITUTION. for example, should be for the balance of Rights or power of People and the Monarchy.
    A) The People are to elect their Government, such that the Party with the most elected has the Power or Rights to form the Government and so nominated the PM or CM. The “Majority” is only for the sake of a smooth legislative or decision making in the Government when VOTING is required. Therefore, any existing Government can be voted out in the Parliament or LA by the so called “No Confidence Vote”. However, the Change of Rights of Nominating a PM or CM can only be from the GE. Therefore, any government being VOTED OUT has to call for a new GE.
    B) AS SUCH THE NOMINATION OF NEW CM BY BN IN PERAK IS AWAY FROM THE PRINCIPLE.
    C) Frogging should only help the Voting of the Party concerned but not the Rights of forming a New Government and to appoint new CM when the Opposition party had not been elected to do so.
    D) The Constitution is UNFAIR when such Principle has not been highlighted.

    Any Law with Bias are in the position to be overruled in Court if Judges stick to Principles!!

    2, A lot of Acts are set up to enpower the Government,such as those Housing Acts. They only specify the Power of the Ministry concerned, but, lacking of necessary clause to Specify their Obligations, if NOT or what can be done otherwise. The cut short of Limitation (period) from a normal 6 years to 3, Or, making the Minister having the FINAL SAYING on any decision making on the execution of the act, or, even prevent decision to be questioned in Court, is really kidding!! Or, even having their own court!!

    3. There are a number of Acts providing Government to set up “Corporation” with power to do business and borrowing money are lacking of similar backbone of law to cite the Obligations and Monitoring of the Corporations concerned.
    WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THOSE 20 or more “Corporations” that Auditor General was chasing after in his AG Report of 2006/2007?

    3. Any debate in many Malaysian Laws will ended up with a lot of contradiction or confusion if only looking at a particular clause or even the whole ACT or Law – when such had been purposely amended or created with BIAS in mind or for the sake of confusion!!

    5. AS MENTIONED DURING GE12, MALAYSIA WILL CONTINUE TO ROT UNLESS THE CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS ARE RE-REWRITTEN which demand 2/3 of Parliament seats and the Calling of Ethnics in every walks of life.

    Many a time, a lot of Frauds are clear cut – such as Fraudulent in the PKFZ.
    But, many of those crooks are just using Courts to help them to escape through twisting interpretation or using inappropraite law or clauses.
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    Should Liong rushes to take LHB or LKS to court on PKFZ matters? Or, he should act anxiously on Ling and Chan for Letter of Guarantee that are void?
    DISTRACTION ARE ALWAYS TRICKS THAT CONFUSE PEOPLE!!
    Same on putting PKFZ in the hand of Task Force or PAC!!
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    From whichever angles,APJ did not work Fairly on this case! He did not Work from the Basic Cause of all the Events!!

    IF PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO SEE JUDGMENT OF MALAYSIAN COURTS, I BELIEVE IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW TWISTING OF LAWS BEING DONE IN COURTS!!

  19. #19 by slashed on Friday, 19 June 2009 - 3:31 pm

    Keewildoo, I actually agree with you. It seems that there are many supporters of PR these days who are as guilty as UMNO supporters of being blind followers.

    This is dangerous as blind support is one of the starting points leading ultimately to extremist/partitionist behaviour. When one ceases to be objective, when one stops questioning, when one starts thinking with emotion, one stops having conversations. That person will only have monologues for everything that person says is from emotion not reason; And because you cannot reason with emotional people, you talk past them and they talk past you. That is why so many UMNO idiots still adhere to stupid Ketuanan Melayu concepts regardless of how illogical and backward it is. Therefore, it is imperative that even with our PR leaders, we must be ready to question or challenge them.

  20. #20 by slashed on Friday, 19 June 2009 - 3:39 pm

    If we can’t trust the judges in this land what can we do? Return of the Privy Council? Call back the old white colonial masters to spank the spoilt brats they left behind to rule us? Bah.

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