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	<title>Comments on: Did Kit Siang and Karpal commit sedition?</title>
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		<title>By: ekin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179696</link>
		<dc:creator>ekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR. PATHETIC TOMTHUMB AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES,

&quot;#  TomThumb Says:
Yesterday at 23: 33.37

“Since Lim Kit Siang’ s criticism was only directed at Naj ib for his personal misjudgment in the whole episode, it would not be possible for any prosecutor to establish a “seditious tendency” under s 3(1) of the Sedition Act. This is because paragraphs (a) and (b) of the subsection concern a seditious tendency against a Ruler or Government - so these provisions do not apply to a personal criticism of Naj ib in his handling of the affair” retired justice nh chan

that would be the defence but what do the facts reveal. law is clear. application of the facts to the law may produce something else.&quot; - DON&#039;T TALK ABOUT LAW IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. YOU&#039;RE ONE OF THE LAW BREAKERS AS WELL. 

HA HA HA STOP BEING SO DUMB, I&#039;M REALLY LAUGHING SO LOUD HERE BECAUSE OF YOUR STUPIDITY OF COMMENTS. WILL YOU RESPECT YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT TO STOP ME CALLING YOU DUMB BY NOT ACTING AS ONE? HA HA HA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR. PATHETIC TOMTHUMB AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES,</p>
<p>&#8220;#  TomThumb Says:<br />
Yesterday at 23: 33.37</p>
<p>“Since Lim Kit Siang’ s criticism was only directed at Naj ib for his personal misjudgment in the whole episode, it would not be possible for any prosecutor to establish a “seditious tendency” under s 3(1) of the Sedition Act. This is because paragraphs (a) and (b) of the subsection concern a seditious tendency against a Ruler or Government &#8211; so these provisions do not apply to a personal criticism of Naj ib in his handling of the affair” retired justice nh chan</p>
<p>that would be the defence but what do the facts reveal. law is clear. application of the facts to the law may produce something else.&#8221; &#8211; DON&#8217;T TALK ABOUT LAW IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT. YOU&#8217;RE ONE OF THE LAW BREAKERS AS WELL. </p>
<p>HA HA HA STOP BEING SO DUMB, I&#8217;M REALLY LAUGHING SO LOUD HERE BECAUSE OF YOUR STUPIDITY OF COMMENTS. WILL YOU RESPECT YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT TO STOP ME CALLING YOU DUMB BY NOT ACTING AS ONE? HA HA HA</p>
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		<title>By: dr. krishnan</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179665</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one must put their words carefully so that not to hurt others feelings or emotions. better still knowing when to shut up is also important la.. u hear that aahh karpal?

visit my blog at http://gk666.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one must put their words carefully so that not to hurt others feelings or emotions. better still knowing when to shut up is also important la.. u hear that aahh karpal?</p>
<p>visit my blog at <a href="http://gk666.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://gk666.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnnypok</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179634</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnypok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commit sedition ..... NO

Commit &quot;adultery&quot; ..... May Be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commit sedition &#8230;.. NO</p>
<p>Commit &#8220;adultery&#8221; &#8230;.. May Be</p>
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		<title>By: TomThumb</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179594</link>
		<dc:creator>TomThumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since Lim Kit Siang’ s criticism was only directed at Naj ib for his personal misjudgment in the whole episode, it would not be possible for any prosecutor to establish a “seditious tendency” under s 3(1) of the Sedition Act. This is because paragraphs (a) and (b) of the subsection concern a seditious tendency against a Ruler or Government - so these provisions do not apply to a personal criticism of Naj ib in his handling of the affair&quot;  retired justice nh chan


that would be the defence but what do the facts reveal. law is clear. application of the facts to the law may produce something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since Lim Kit Siang’ s criticism was only directed at Naj ib for his personal misjudgment in the whole episode, it would not be possible for any prosecutor to establish a “seditious tendency” under s 3(1) of the Sedition Act. This is because paragraphs (a) and (b) of the subsection concern a seditious tendency against a Ruler or Government &#8211; so these provisions do not apply to a personal criticism of Naj ib in his handling of the affair&#8221;  retired justice nh chan</p>
<p>that would be the defence but what do the facts reveal. law is clear. application of the facts to the law may produce something else.</p>
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		<title>By: miko</title>
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		<dc:creator>miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm..let&#039;s make it simple 
If you are vocal because Naji or the Lion committed a misjudgement, it is not sedition else it&#039;s.
Obviously the Acts needed to be tabled and amended so lay-dumb like us could understand except smart asses like tommyDick and cinanegara ..oh0h sorry... cintanegara
Could not blame the police since they are neither law-expert not laymen. Like bull, they will charge at anything &quot;RED&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..let&#8217;s make it simple<br />
If you are vocal because Naji or the Lion committed a misjudgement, it is not sedition else it&#8217;s.<br />
Obviously the Acts needed to be tabled and amended so lay-dumb like us could understand except smart asses like tommyDick and cinanegara ..oh0h sorry&#8230; cintanegara<br />
Could not blame the police since they are neither law-expert not laymen. Like bull, they will charge at anything &#8220;RED&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ekin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179551</link>
		<dc:creator>ekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR. PATHETIC TOMTHUMB AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES,

&quot;#  TomThumb Says:
Today at 20: 34.14 (40 minutes ago)

right. and you’re that dog that licks up all the poo left behind by the three dogs.&quot; - I&#039;M REFERRING YOU AND EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME THAT YOU&#039;RE ONE OF THE DOGS. POOR DUMBBELL TOM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR. PATHETIC TOMTHUMB AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES,</p>
<p>&#8220;#  TomThumb Says:<br />
Today at 20: 34.14 (40 minutes ago)</p>
<p>right. and you’re that dog that licks up all the poo left behind by the three dogs.&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;M REFERRING YOU AND EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME THAT YOU&#8217;RE ONE OF THE DOGS. POOR DUMBBELL TOM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TomThumb</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179533</link>
		<dc:creator>TomThumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right. and you&#039;re that dog that licks up all the poo left behind by the three dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right. and you&#8217;re that dog that licks up all the poo left behind by the three dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: ekin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179515</link>
		<dc:creator>ekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I KNOW PAS WILL NOT WORK WITH UMNO. JUST UMNO THOUGHT THEY COULD. YEAH, THOSE CROOKED WAYS, I&#039;D HAD ENOUGH OF THEM. PUT IT THIS WAY, IF THEY DON&#039;T DO THIS WAY, THEY WILL NEVER GET ANY FROM THE CAKE.
REMEMBER HOW CHILDREN FIGHT FOR FOOD LIKE CAKES? &quot;I MUST HAVE A BIGGER PIECE THAN YOURS, ELSE, SMASH IT, BOTH GET NONE, EAT NOTHING&quot;. THAT&#039;S THEM...
ANOTHER EXAMPLE I COULD SEE..HAVE YOU SEEN 3 DOGS HUNGERED FOR A WEEK? WHEN GIVEN FOOD, THEY SNATCH LIKE NOBODY&#039;S BUSINESS. SHEDDING BLOOD EVEN!...THAT&#039;S THEM...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I KNOW PAS WILL NOT WORK WITH UMNO. JUST UMNO THOUGHT THEY COULD. YEAH, THOSE CROOKED WAYS, I&#8217;D HAD ENOUGH OF THEM. PUT IT THIS WAY, IF THEY DON&#8217;T DO THIS WAY, THEY WILL NEVER GET ANY FROM THE CAKE.<br />
REMEMBER HOW CHILDREN FIGHT FOR FOOD LIKE CAKES? &#8220;I MUST HAVE A BIGGER PIECE THAN YOURS, ELSE, SMASH IT, BOTH GET NONE, EAT NOTHING&#8221;. THAT&#8217;S THEM&#8230;<br />
ANOTHER EXAMPLE I COULD SEE..HAVE YOU SEEN 3 DOGS HUNGERED FOR A WEEK? WHEN GIVEN FOOD, THEY SNATCH LIKE NOBODY&#8217;S BUSINESS. SHEDDING BLOOD EVEN!&#8230;THAT&#8217;S THEM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179513</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ekin.......PAS will never work with UMNO.
It&#039;s all political chess games.
Their leaders are loggerheads.......but carry not much weight .
Majority PAS Supreme Council members hate UMNO.
PAS needs to fight UMNO with race and religion politics to win muslims votes and muslims know PAS is totally different from UMNO.
PAS is treated equal partner in PR.
With UMNO....for awhile...maybe.....but when UMNO sees everything OK...they will make sure PAS is another puppet.
First.. they must make sure PAS leaders are corrupted...no way out.
Proton is a good example of UMNO characters.
Need Mitsubishi....30%...allow Japanese so much power.
Do not need them...pumped in hundreds...30% become 10$ or out.
That&#039;s how they force foreign partners out.
And any foreign company do well..like B.Braun..where they cannot be 30% partner...they will create an UMNO buyer B.Braun must sell all medical products..to that company..to get into government hospitals.....making it more expensive  for patients  to pay....and using our money to buy.
This way....UMNO is ripping out tax payers..  to make profit from Malaysians...selling it back to us. Third party get rich...seller get rich.....all using and getting Malaysian money....not one sen investmets by UMNO crooks.They will have all sorts of ideas to enrich themselves..cheating tax payers....left ..right and center.
They think the are very smart...to so call cheat legally........when these are out-dated crooked formulas ...used by others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ekin&#8230;&#8230;.PAS will never work with UMNO.<br />
It&#8217;s all political chess games.<br />
Their leaders are loggerheads&#8230;&#8230;.but carry not much weight .<br />
Majority PAS Supreme Council members hate UMNO.<br />
PAS needs to fight UMNO with race and religion politics to win muslims votes and muslims know PAS is totally different from UMNO.<br />
PAS is treated equal partner in PR.<br />
With UMNO&#8230;.for awhile&#8230;maybe&#8230;..but when UMNO sees everything OK&#8230;they will make sure PAS is another puppet.<br />
First.. they must make sure PAS leaders are corrupted&#8230;no way out.<br />
Proton is a good example of UMNO characters.<br />
Need Mitsubishi&#8230;.30%&#8230;allow Japanese so much power.<br />
Do not need them&#8230;pumped in hundreds&#8230;30% become 10$ or out.<br />
That&#8217;s how they force foreign partners out.<br />
And any foreign company do well..like B.Braun..where they cannot be 30% partner&#8230;they will create an UMNO buyer B.Braun must sell all medical products..to that company..to get into government hospitals&#8230;..making it more expensive  for patients  to pay&#8230;.and using our money to buy.<br />
This way&#8230;.UMNO is ripping out tax payers..  to make profit from Malaysians&#8230;selling it back to us. Third party get rich&#8230;seller get rich&#8230;..all using and getting Malaysian money&#8230;.not one sen investmets by UMNO crooks.They will have all sorts of ideas to enrich themselves..cheating tax payers&#8230;.left ..right and center.<br />
They think the are very smart&#8230;to so call cheat legally&#8230;&#8230;..when these are out-dated crooked formulas &#8230;used by others.</p>
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		<title>By: grace</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179503</link>
		<dc:creator>grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice NH Chan,
you are simply great. Every one knows that Karpal and Lim kit Siang do not commit any thing seditious. 
But I am sad to say that in this boleh land, the judiciary is in shamble and pathetic state.
When the color is black, they can insist that it is white and vice versa. Recent judgements  proves that
An example is Ahmad Ismail: A kerbau also know that he had made a very seditious statement. Why wasn&#039;t he charged? In fact he is scott free.
What about the Utusan Malaysia recent seditious stetement? The police are blind to it.
Only GOD can help us!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice NH Chan,<br />
you are simply great. Every one knows that Karpal and Lim kit Siang do not commit any thing seditious.<br />
But I am sad to say that in this boleh land, the judiciary is in shamble and pathetic state.<br />
When the color is black, they can insist that it is white and vice versa. Recent judgements  proves that<br />
An example is Ahmad Ismail: A kerbau also know that he had made a very seditious statement. Why wasn&#8217;t he charged? In fact he is scott free.<br />
What about the Utusan Malaysia recent seditious stetement? The police are blind to it.<br />
Only GOD can help us!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Loh</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179498</link>
		<dc:creator>Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PM is that the government, but the Cabinet comprising the members is. So when Najibed talk to the Sultan in whatever capacity, the reference made of him does not relate to the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PM is that the government, but the Cabinet comprising the members is. So when Najibed talk to the Sultan in whatever capacity, the reference made of him does not relate to the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigjoe</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179466</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Useful to know the details BUT Malaysians don&#039;t need to know the law in order to decide if Sdr. Lim is seditious.  Sdr. Lim is a patriot, a national treasure even. There is no question of his patriotism and heroics in Malaysian history and those that challenge that is more likely to be seditious, a clear and present danger, an enemy of the state...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Useful to know the details BUT Malaysians don&#8217;t need to know the law in order to decide if Sdr. Lim is seditious.  Sdr. Lim is a patriot, a national treasure even. There is no question of his patriotism and heroics in Malaysian history and those that challenge that is more likely to be seditious, a clear and present danger, an enemy of the state&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ekin</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179455</link>
		<dc:creator>ekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR. MONSTERBALL,

MR. PATHETIC CINTAN NEGARA AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES, IS ONLY CINTAN MEE, CURLS HERE AND THERE, JUST LIKE THE OLD WITCH DOCTOR. HA HA

&quot;#  TomThumb Says:
Today at 09: 44.24 (5 hours ago)

but implied in his statement was the conduct of the sultan. the sultan, being a former judge, should have known better than to entertain najib’s request.

no mens rea. yes. but it appears to have enough of the ’seditious tendency’ called for under the Act.&quot; - A DUMB TRYING NOT TO BE DUMB, THAT&#039;S ALL I CAN SEE.

THAT&#039;S THE THING. UMNO INSULTED ALLAH AND NOW WANTED TO WORK WITH PAS. HOW IRONIC..OR I SHOULD SAY, THEY ARE MORE SEDITIOUS THAN THE ENTIRE WORLD. ONLY THONG THONG DUMBBELL AND CINTAN MEE AS WELL AS LAKSAMANA(DISGUISED) CHENG HO AKA THE 3 STOOGES WILL BE FOOLED. OUR EYES CLEARED ENOUGH TO SEE THESE SEDITIOUS ACTS BY UMNO BN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR. MONSTERBALL,</p>
<p>MR. PATHETIC CINTAN NEGARA AKA ONE OF 3 STOOGES, IS ONLY CINTAN MEE, CURLS HERE AND THERE, JUST LIKE THE OLD WITCH DOCTOR. HA HA</p>
<p>&#8220;#  TomThumb Says:<br />
Today at 09: 44.24 (5 hours ago)</p>
<p>but implied in his statement was the conduct of the sultan. the sultan, being a former judge, should have known better than to entertain najib’s request.</p>
<p>no mens rea. yes. but it appears to have enough of the ’seditious tendency’ called for under the Act.&#8221; &#8211; A DUMB TRYING NOT TO BE DUMB, THAT&#8217;S ALL I CAN SEE.</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S THE THING. UMNO INSULTED ALLAH AND NOW WANTED TO WORK WITH PAS. HOW IRONIC..OR I SHOULD SAY, THEY ARE MORE SEDITIOUS THAN THE ENTIRE WORLD. ONLY THONG THONG DUMBBELL AND CINTAN MEE AS WELL AS LAKSAMANA(DISGUISED) CHENG HO AKA THE 3 STOOGES WILL BE FOOLED. OUR EYES CLEARED ENOUGH TO SEE THESE SEDITIOUS ACTS BY UMNO BN.</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179409</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great respond....ekans
These idiots must be gunned down...as soon as they come out.
Noticed one ...changed for the better and another dare not post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great respond&#8230;.ekans<br />
These idiots must be gunned down&#8230;as soon as they come out.<br />
Noticed one &#8230;changed for the better and another dare not post?</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
		<link>http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2009/06/10/sedition-under-the-law-of-this-country/comment-page-1/#comment-179407</link>
		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now back to the subject..useless to talk laws and orders in Malaysia...where UMNO dares to even insult Allah...by doing all against HIS wishes.
UMNO must be vote out....for real democracy and freedom of rights...then talk law and order...after that. End of story.
When a man can go to jail for 6 years ...based on a book...which UMNO considered the most dangerous to their future...doing same act again......now...what law is that? I thought when one is freed...proven not guilty..one cannot be caged with the same crime again?
This law that law will not change UMNO.
Lets wait... 13th GE...do UMNO dare to play dirty like Marcos in Philippines.
One step at the time.
Right now...non violence with disobedience doing fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now back to the subject..useless to talk laws and orders in Malaysia&#8230;where UMNO dares to even insult Allah&#8230;by doing all against HIS wishes.<br />
UMNO must be vote out&#8230;.for real democracy and freedom of rights&#8230;then talk law and order&#8230;after that. End of story.<br />
When a man can go to jail for 6 years &#8230;based on a book&#8230;which UMNO considered the most dangerous to their future&#8230;doing same act again&#8230;&#8230;now&#8230;what law is that? I thought when one is freed&#8230;proven not guilty..one cannot be caged with the same crime again?<br />
This law that law will not change UMNO.<br />
Lets wait&#8230; 13th GE&#8230;do UMNO dare to play dirty like Marcos in Philippines.<br />
One step at the time.<br />
Right now&#8230;non violence with disobedience doing fine.</p>
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		<title>By: ekans</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On 11th June 2009 at 01:46.47, cintanegara said: 
Dear Ekans, for your kind information….the Wise Old Doctor has a very sharp analytical mind and can still walk without any assistance….. he doesn’t need a wheelchair …&lt;/i&gt;

Dear cintanegara,
For your kind information, the old doctor is wise enough to know when to show off his sharp analytical mind and when not to do so. For example, at the Lingam video inquiry, the old doctor&#039;s mind seemed to have sharply analysed &amp; anticipated that he would encounter a rather difficult situation, and thus, switched into selective memory loss mode...
And of course, he doesn&#039;t need a wheelchair... He already has a Porsche Cayenne, which is quick enough for his &#039;scot free&#039; getaways, while he expect us rakyat to support his &#039;brainchild&#039; called Proton...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On 11th June 2009 at 01:46.47, cintanegara said:<br />
Dear Ekans, for your kind information….the Wise Old Doctor has a very sharp analytical mind and can still walk without any assistance….. he doesn’t need a wheelchair …</i></p>
<p>Dear cintanegara,<br />
For your kind information, the old doctor is wise enough to know when to show off his sharp analytical mind and when not to do so. For example, at the Lingam video inquiry, the old doctor&#8217;s mind seemed to have sharply analysed &amp; anticipated that he would encounter a rather difficult situation, and thus, switched into selective memory loss mode&#8230;<br />
And of course, he doesn&#8217;t need a wheelchair&#8230; He already has a Porsche Cayenne, which is quick enough for his &#8216;scot free&#8217; getaways, while he expect us rakyat to support his &#8216;brainchild&#8217; called Proton&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: monsterball</title>
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		<dc:creator>monsterball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell is TomDum talking about?
Ekin....that cintanegara  idiot is always carrying balls of Mahathir...the established... devil reincarnated PM for 22 years....famous  for twisting...cheating and telling lies.
Now..you tell me.. what is cintanegara?
Glad frank and ekin came out and put those  stooges.. back where they  belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is TomDum talking about?<br />
Ekin&#8230;.that cintanegara  idiot is always carrying balls of Mahathir&#8230;the established&#8230; devil reincarnated PM for 22 years&#8230;.famous  for twisting&#8230;cheating and telling lies.<br />
Now..you tell me.. what is cintanegara?<br />
Glad frank and ekin came out and put those  stooges.. back where they  belong.</p>
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		<title>By: ktak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps our Home ministry/PDRM should learn from their Singapore counterpart on handling the sedition case, especially if the complaint is from the minority group and it will be thoroughly investigated and those found infringing the act will be charged in court with all the evidences and this is done without any interferences from politicians.

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC090611-0000079/8-weeks-jail-each

8 weeks’ jail each Couple committed ‘serious offences capable of eroding racial and religious harmony’ 

by Teo Xuanwei Updated 09:37 AM Jun 11, 2009
TODAY, Singapore

FOR two decades, the couple spread their faith by handing out religious pamphlets, and then by dropping tracts into random HDB letterboxes. 

From around 1998, however, Ong Kian Cheong and Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, both Protestant Christians, mailed them to addresses picked out from the telephone directory - those of Muslims included.

They “clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim reader to convert to Christianity”, a district court found yesterday.

For distributing and possessing seditious and objectionable publications, husband and wife were sentenced to eight weeks’ jail each yesterday. 

Such “intolerance, insensitivity and ignorance of delicate issues concerning race and religion” in Singapore “clearly warranted” a custodial sentence, said District Judge Roy Neighbour. 

In the first full trial heard under the Sedition Act, the married couple of 24 years was found guilty on May 28 of the charges.

In 2007, Mr Irwan Ariffin, 32, and Madam Farhati Ahmad, 36, received an evangelistic comic-style booklet titled The Little Bride through the mail while Mr Isa Raffee, 35, was sent Who Is Allah?.

After a complaint to the police, an ambush was laid and the pair was arrested on Jan 30 last year. Found in their condominium in Bukit Timah were 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts. 

During the 11-day trial, it emerged that the SingTel technical officer and his wife, a UBS associate director, sent out about 20,000 publications in seven years. 

Produced by an American firm called Chick Publications, the fundamentalist Protestant materials were “not only offensive for religious content but also have a tendency to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between Muslims and Christians in Singapore”, said Judge Neighbour. 

By distributing tracts with “callous, denigratory, offensive and insensitive statements on religion with aspersions on race”, the pair had committed “serious” offences that “have the capacity to undermine and erode the delicate fabric of racial and religious harmony in Singapore”. 

Common sense, he said, dictated that religious fervor to spread the faith, “in our society, must be constrained by sensitivity, tolerance and mutual respect for another’s faith and religious beliefs”. 

Ong, 50, and Chan, 46, were expressionless when sentenced. Their lawyer Selva K Naidu told the court that they had filed a notice of appeal against the conviction last Friday. He was awaiting instructions to proceed. 

The pair faced two charges of distributing seditious publications each, and one each of distributing an objectionable publication and possession of seditious tracts. 

They got four weeks’ jail for each charge - two of them running consecutively and the remaining to run concurrently. They could have been fined up to $5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years for each of the two charges. 

The possession charge carries a maximum fine of $2,000 and/or jail for up to 18 months. Distributing objectionable publications is punishable with a fine not exceeding $5,000 and/or up to one year behind bars.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_386244.html
Singapore Straits Times
June 5, 2009 

Couple deserve jail: DPP 

A strong message needs to be sent for the sake of harmony, court told 

By Elena Chong  

SEND a strong message to those whose actions can create disharmony and discord in Singapore. 

This call was made by the prosecution on Thursday when it pushed for jail sentences of between two and six months for a Christian couple convicted of distributing and possessing seditious publications. 

Calling the offences of Ong Kian Cheong, 50, and his 46-year-old wife, Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, calculated, meticulous and methodical, deputy public prosecutors Anandan Bala and Sharmila Sripathy-Shanaz said it was imperative that an &#039;unequivocal message be sent&#039;. 

DPP Bala said the couple&#039;s distribution of highly offensive and insulting comic tracts to Muslims and other non-Christians bore all the hallmarks of grossly irresponsible and callous evangelisation, and had the potential to seriously undermine and threaten Singapore&#039;s multi-religious society. 

Sending them to jail, he added, would also &#039;deter others from behaving in a manner that can create disharmony and discord between the different classes of people living in Singapore&#039;. 

Ong, a SingTel technical officer, and Chan, an associate director of Swiss bank UBS, were found guilty last week of four charges of sedition after an 11-day trial. 

They had distributed two publications, The Little Bride and Who Is Allah?, to two Muslims. 

Both publications tended to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between Christians and Muslims in Singapore. 

They were also found to have distributed The Little Bride to another Muslim in 2007, even though they knew the publication was likely to cause feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between the two religious groups. 

The couple were also found to have had 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts at their Maplewoods condominium in Bukit Timah on Jan 30 last year, the day of their arrest. 

Over two decades, Ong and Chan, who had attended the Berean Christian Church in Havelock Road, distributed over 20,000 evangelistic tracts to the public. 

Read the full story in Friday&#039;s edition of the Straits Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps our Home ministry/PDRM should learn from their Singapore counterpart on handling the sedition case, especially if the complaint is from the minority group and it will be thoroughly investigated and those found infringing the act will be charged in court with all the evidences and this is done without any interferences from politicians.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC090611-0000079/8-weeks-jail-each" rel="nofollow">http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC090611-0000079/8-weeks-jail-each</a></p>
<p>8 weeks’ jail each Couple committed ‘serious offences capable of eroding racial and religious harmony’ </p>
<p>by Teo Xuanwei Updated 09:37 AM Jun 11, 2009<br />
TODAY, Singapore</p>
<p>FOR two decades, the couple spread their faith by handing out religious pamphlets, and then by dropping tracts into random HDB letterboxes. </p>
<p>From around 1998, however, Ong Kian Cheong and Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, both Protestant Christians, mailed them to addresses picked out from the telephone directory &#8211; those of Muslims included.</p>
<p>They “clearly did so with the intent of convincing the Muslim reader to convert to Christianity”, a district court found yesterday.</p>
<p>For distributing and possessing seditious and objectionable publications, husband and wife were sentenced to eight weeks’ jail each yesterday. </p>
<p>Such “intolerance, insensitivity and ignorance of delicate issues concerning race and religion” in Singapore “clearly warranted” a custodial sentence, said District Judge Roy Neighbour. </p>
<p>In the first full trial heard under the Sedition Act, the married couple of 24 years was found guilty on May 28 of the charges.</p>
<p>In 2007, Mr Irwan Ariffin, 32, and Madam Farhati Ahmad, 36, received an evangelistic comic-style booklet titled The Little Bride through the mail while Mr Isa Raffee, 35, was sent Who Is Allah?.</p>
<p>After a complaint to the police, an ambush was laid and the pair was arrested on Jan 30 last year. Found in their condominium in Bukit Timah were 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts. </p>
<p>During the 11-day trial, it emerged that the SingTel technical officer and his wife, a UBS associate director, sent out about 20,000 publications in seven years. </p>
<p>Produced by an American firm called Chick Publications, the fundamentalist Protestant materials were “not only offensive for religious content but also have a tendency to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between Muslims and Christians in Singapore”, said Judge Neighbour. </p>
<p>By distributing tracts with “callous, denigratory, offensive and insensitive statements on religion with aspersions on race”, the pair had committed “serious” offences that “have the capacity to undermine and erode the delicate fabric of racial and religious harmony in Singapore”. </p>
<p>Common sense, he said, dictated that religious fervor to spread the faith, “in our society, must be constrained by sensitivity, tolerance and mutual respect for another’s faith and religious beliefs”. </p>
<p>Ong, 50, and Chan, 46, were expressionless when sentenced. Their lawyer Selva K Naidu told the court that they had filed a notice of appeal against the conviction last Friday. He was awaiting instructions to proceed. </p>
<p>The pair faced two charges of distributing seditious publications each, and one each of distributing an objectionable publication and possession of seditious tracts. </p>
<p>They got four weeks’ jail for each charge &#8211; two of them running consecutively and the remaining to run concurrently. They could have been fined up to $5,000 and/or jailed for up to three years for each of the two charges. </p>
<p>The possession charge carries a maximum fine of $2,000 and/or jail for up to 18 months. Distributing objectionable publications is punishable with a fine not exceeding $5,000 and/or up to one year behind bars.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_386244.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_386244.html</a><br />
Singapore Straits Times<br />
June 5, 2009 </p>
<p>Couple deserve jail: DPP </p>
<p>A strong message needs to be sent for the sake of harmony, court told </p>
<p>By Elena Chong  </p>
<p>SEND a strong message to those whose actions can create disharmony and discord in Singapore. </p>
<p>This call was made by the prosecution on Thursday when it pushed for jail sentences of between two and six months for a Christian couple convicted of distributing and possessing seditious publications. </p>
<p>Calling the offences of Ong Kian Cheong, 50, and his 46-year-old wife, Dorothy Chan Hien Leng, calculated, meticulous and methodical, deputy public prosecutors Anandan Bala and Sharmila Sripathy-Shanaz said it was imperative that an &#8216;unequivocal message be sent&#8217;. </p>
<p>DPP Bala said the couple&#8217;s distribution of highly offensive and insulting comic tracts to Muslims and other non-Christians bore all the hallmarks of grossly irresponsible and callous evangelisation, and had the potential to seriously undermine and threaten Singapore&#8217;s multi-religious society. </p>
<p>Sending them to jail, he added, would also &#8216;deter others from behaving in a manner that can create disharmony and discord between the different classes of people living in Singapore&#8217;. </p>
<p>Ong, a SingTel technical officer, and Chan, an associate director of Swiss bank UBS, were found guilty last week of four charges of sedition after an 11-day trial. </p>
<p>They had distributed two publications, The Little Bride and Who Is Allah?, to two Muslims. </p>
<p>Both publications tended to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between Christians and Muslims in Singapore. </p>
<p>They were also found to have distributed The Little Bride to another Muslim in 2007, even though they knew the publication was likely to cause feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between the two religious groups. </p>
<p>The couple were also found to have had 439 copies of 11 seditious tracts at their Maplewoods condominium in Bukit Timah on Jan 30 last year, the day of their arrest. </p>
<p>Over two decades, Ong and Chan, who had attended the Berean Christian Church in Havelock Road, distributed over 20,000 evangelistic tracts to the public. </p>
<p>Read the full story in Friday&#8217;s edition of the Straits Times.</p>
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		<title>By: TomThumb</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomThumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but implied in his statement was the conduct of the sultan. the sultan, being a former judge, should have known better than to entertain najib&#039;s request.

no mens rea. yes. but it appears to have enough of the &#039;seditious tendency&#039; called for under the Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but implied in his statement was the conduct of the sultan. the sultan, being a former judge, should have known better than to entertain najib&#8217;s request.</p>
<p>no mens rea. yes. but it appears to have enough of the &#8216;seditious tendency&#8217; called for under the Act.</p>
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		<title>By: taiking</title>
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		<dc:creator>taiking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best way to avoid sedition is not just to smile, shake hand and vote opposition but to smile, kiss hand, minta maaf and vote opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best way to avoid sedition is not just to smile, shake hand and vote opposition but to smile, kiss hand, minta maaf and vote opposition.</p>
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