By Farish A. Noor
The opening speech to the 55th Muktamar of the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party PAS should be read closely and given the consideration that is due to it, particularly as it comes from the party President himself, Ustaz Hadi Awang, and in some respects gives an accurate reflection of the state of the party and the mindset of its senior leadership. Having said that, the speech of Hadi Awang that was delivered during the opening session of the Muktamar was both rich and complex, and should be read closely by those of us who are interested in the political fortunes of PAS and the future of the party in Malaysia.
Perhaps the most salient feature of the speech was the straightforward declaration of PAS’s oppositional stand vis a vis UMNO, which was described by Hadi in his speech in rather negative terms. The tone of Ustaz Hadi’s speech would resonate with the members of PAS who were worried about any possible compromise on the part of their own Islamist party and the possibility of a PAS-UMNO tie-up in the near future. After describing UMNO as a party that was materialist, corrupt and a lackey to the British colonial powers in the past, one can safely assume that any notion of a PAS-UMNO marriage of convenience has been put on the shelf for the moment at least…
However it was also noted by this observer that Ustaz Hadi’s speech had few references to the Pakatan Rakyat, whose other component parties – notably the PKR and DAP – were casually referred to as fellow travelers in the long cause. One wonders how and why the references to the other parties of the Pakatan seemed rather tame and lukewarm at best, and where PAS was locating itself in the overall constellation of Malaysian politics in the immediate present. Indeed, where is PAS heading?
It is interesting to note that the slogan for the Muktamar was ‘Islam leading the process of Change’ (Islam Memimpin Perubahan). Furthermore the speech was littered with numerous references to the Ulama of PAS and the role that the Ulama have played not only in the development of the party but also in the history of Malaysia as a whole.
Thus all in all, one had the distinct impression that this was a speech that was meant primarily for internal consumption, and somewhat self-referential. PAS is still looking for its place and role in Malaysian politics, and by distancing itself substantially from UMNO and symbolically from the Pakatan, we get the impression of a PAS that feels the need to stand on its own two feet. Or does this reflect the concerns of the Ulama of PAS in particular, and can this be read as a return to the Ulama-led politics of PAS from the 1980s to the late 1990s?
There are several key themes and concerns that perhaps should be looked at closely and critically:
The first issue is that of the Ulama of PAS, the definition of what and who constitutes an Ulama and what role the Ulama are meant to have in society and politics. This, for me, was the first stumbling block to the Muktamar and the speech by Ustaz Hadi. With all due respect to the Ulama of PAS (and I write this as a fervent admirer of Tuan Guru Nik Aziz) I would like to re-state the obvious fact that the term ‘Ulama’ should not be confused and essentialised solely to refer to religiously-trained and educated scholars. For since the earliest days of Islamic education going back to the Ferenggi Mahal madrasah of Lucknow and its Dars-e Nizami curriculum, it should be noted that the term Ulama referred to scholars who were trained as both scientific and religious scholars. Hence it would be totally wrong for us to maintain this divisive dichotomy of ‘Ulama’ and ‘Professionals’ as the latter are likewise educated individuals trained in their special sciences and skills. So why was the dichotomy introduced in the prelude to this Mukatamar, and why hasn’t anyone pointed out that professional scientists, technocrats, engineers and educationists should qualify as ‘Ulama’ too, to mean persons of skill and knowledge? The subtle power-play between the two factions became rather obvious with too many references to the Ulama of PAS and the lament that their contribution have been marginalized. No, nobody has undermined or downgraded the role of the Ulama in PAS or Malaysian politics: We are simply stating the historical fact that PAS’s development was the result of the efforts of Ulama, Scholars, professionals, activists and lay members as well… Some Ulama in PAS (as in other Islamic parties worldwide) may not be comfortable with the idea of sharing power with professionals, but we need to understand that in the complex modern world of today we are not going to get anywhere in areas such as finance, transparency, anti-corruption etc without the help of some professional technocrats and accountants too. The religious scholars of PAS simply have to understand this simple fact once and for all.
Secondly I was struck by the tone of the speech when it came to address the issue of East Malaysia. Ustaz Hadi once again reiterated the call for PAS to spread its message to East Malaysia in terms of its political outreach and missionary (Dakwah) work. But has anyone bothered to ask what our fellow East Malaysians want? As a Malaysian who grew up in East Malaysia, I am sympathetic to our East Malaysian brothers and sisters who seem to be cast as our ‘poor neighbours’ who need our help all the time. When will West Malaysians realize that the flow of ideas and expertise can and should go both ways, and that West Malaysians have a lot to learn from East Malaysians too, especially in the area of harmonious inter-communal relations? (After all 13 May happened in West Malaysia, not East Malaysia, remember?) So rather than talk about the need for West Malaysian parties (both from the BN and Pakatan) going to East Malaysia all the time, why don’t we listen to our East Malaysian counterparts who may teach us a few useful lessons in nation-building as well?
Thirdly, the stand that the Assembly took on the Language issue was problematic to say the least. On more than one occasion, the national language – Bahasa Malaysia – was described as Bahasa Melayu, and thus re-essentialised as the linguistic and cultural backbone of one specific ethnic community. We need to get our semantics right and de-racialised Bahasa Malaysia as the language of all Malaysian citizens if we seriously wish to build a new Malaysia that is racially, culturally and politically equal, to be shared by all Malaysians. One of the first steps that has to be taken is to de-essentise our languages so that Madarin is no longer seen as the exclusive monopoly of Malaysian Chinese, Tamil no longer seen as the monopoly of Malaysians of Indian origin, and Bahasa Malaysia as the common language of all Malaysian citizens. But how can this ever happen if every community sticks to its narrow sense of identity and claims exclusive monopoly over the very language we use to communicate with each other?
All in all, it is clear that PAS has come a long way and credit is due to this party that was built over half a century of hard work and selfless dedication by its members. Once again, I was impressed by the professionalism of those present and the efficient performance of the organizers. But we sincerely hope and pray that PAS will throw its lot with its comrades in the Pakatan, and remember that PAS’s gains in March 2008 was the result of it being in the Pakatan. For that reason, PAS’s leaders need to recognize the needs and demands of the Malaysian public, and be sensitive to the new political realities on the ground in Malaysia. PAS has a vital role to play in Malaysia today and long into the future. We wish it all the best, and sincerely hope that as it struggles to find its way it will cast a glance to its comrades who have stood by it all along- not least the plural and complex society that is the Malaysian public of today. Don’t let us down, PAS.

#1 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:01 pm
I am not trying to justify any of my analysis as “extraordinary” or is any of your sarcasm missed – its just showing your ordinary/customary distortion of what others say, thats all.
#2 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:12 pm
“Teacher, teacher, I’ve been misquoted….someone has distorted what I have said….boo hoo hoo”
Now a QC wannabe is trying to be a pyschologist wannabe. Sigh…it’s better if this self-proclaimed writer of eloquent English admit that he is nothing more than an anti-Islamic critic.
#3 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:18 pm
1. An opposition to PAS’s Islamic state and Islamisation agenda is not equivalent to an anti-Islamic sentiment.
2. Limkamput’s willingness to give PAS a benefit of doubt for a period of time, hoping that the realities of Malaysian politics would knock some sense into it is not only entirely consistent with his reservation about PAS and his rejection of PAS’ exclusivist ideologies, but also shows that he is an open-minded person, willing to give a chance to explore the possibility of working with a moderate PAS. As it turned out, PAS has shown its true colours.
3. Wong Chin Huat has a point when he said that we should vote for PAS if we did not want an Islamic state (a-la PAS), because non-Malay support for PAS would strengthen the Erdorgan faction within PAS and thus prevent PAS from joining forces with UMNO. However, the current development has shown that both the Erdorgan and conservative factions share the same goal of establishing an Islamic state. Of course, as long as most of the non-Malay voters adhere to the policy of voting for PAS only to enable PR to wrest control of the federal government from BN rather than embracing PAS’s agenda, and as long as PAS does not substantially increase the number of seats it constests in the next election, it should be ok to vote for PAS as a matter of strategy. My worry is that the hatred for BN becomes so strong that many non-Malays begin to embrace PAS’ ideology rather than merely voting for PAS as a matter of strategy. We have seen this sentiment expressed by some non-Malays: ‘even if PAS insists on an Islamic state, it is still better than UMNO-BN corruption and racism.’ I think this is a very dangerous sentiment: PAS’ agenda are worse than UMNO-BN corruption and racism.
4. We need to take heed of Jeffrey’s observation about PAS’ sending out conflicting messages through different spokespersons. This is the well-known practice of Taqiyya.
5. Lim Kit Siang is clearly put off by one of PAS’ decisions when he says this in his twitter: ‘Shocking/Ridiculous – PAS wants Sisters in Islam banned ‘
6. PAS is demanding a redistribution of seats to be contested by PR component parties. Is this a sign of their intention to dominate PR? The KL division even demanded Khalid’s and Nurul Anwar’s seats currently held by PKR.
#4 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:25 pm
I’m a devout Christian opposed to any form of theocracy in a pluralistic society, including Christian theocracy. When I reject the Christian theocratic agenda of a Christian political party, does it make sense to label me anti-Christian?
#5 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:30 pm
You talking to me, kid ?
#6 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:32 pm
Now the proponent of the Third Force has resurfaced ! The President and Legal Advisor will be telling us how the world crumbles in the face of the PAS onslaught….
#7 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:33 pm
Malaysiakini
‘Liberalisation of economy ‘a step backwards’
Rahmah Ghazali | Jun 7, 09 3:47pm
PAS Youth has strongly lashed out against the new government policy which abolished the 30 per cent bumiputera equity rule for 27 service sub-sectors as announced by Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak in April.’
This is clearly in conflict with PKR and DAP’s position on this matter. Both PKR and DAP think that Najib’s cosmetic liberalisation is not sufficient.
#8 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:46 pm
So someone in PAS wants to go left, someone wants to go right, someone wants to go straight…so what ? Has the entire party machinery moved in a particular direction that threatens the harmony of PR ? Even if a certain decision has threatened the harmony of PR, there are avenues for other parties to demand explanations, to discuss and to debate issues. Kit is shocked that PAS wants to ban Sisters in Islam. Fine. Did he threaten to pull DAP out of PR ? No, he is seeking further clarification. He is getting a consensus view from Anwar and together they can get PAS to re-address this matter.
We are mere external observers and we are telling these experienced politicians what to do. “Get out of PR”, “PAS is bad news”, “Islamisation is a real threat” we keep posting on this blog. From the self-proclaimed writer of eloquent English to the new kid from Cambridge, we try to project doom and gloom within PR. These people should just vote UMNO at the next GE !
#9 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 5:56 pm
The QC Wannabe and the self-proclaimed writer of eloquent English should understand the caption written by Farish Noor – “PAS finding its way still”. I trust the “undeniably eloquent” QC Wannabe can understand these words without ascribing a foot-long explanation to what it actually means.
#10 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:11 pm
Opposition Politics Shaken After PAS Vote
Reme Ahmad, The Straits Times (cited in Malaysia Today)
‘…The opposition has been pushing Umno and BN to the wall since scoring big wins in general elections last year. But now there is uncertainty in the opposition camp. In the PAS elections held every two years, the conservative pro-ulama (Muslim cleric) faction has won. On Saturday, the liberal-leaning, pro-PR faction suffered a big setback, after its candidate for the No. 2 post lost. This means that both the posts of PAS president and deputy president remain in the hands of the clerics. And the Youth wing is now dominated by many from the pro-cleric faction. These leaders are wary of working with Anwar and PR, and are not averse to talking with Umno to strengthen Malay-Muslim political power. This does not mean that PAS will leave the PR alliance. Or that it will suddenly run to Umno. What it means is that PAS members have signalled to PR to slow down on issues that are seen as weakening Malay and Muslim rights in Malaysia. While all PAS members hate Umno, there are also points where they can agree with one another. These include in such issues as keeping Islam as the pre-eminent religion in Malaysia, on religious conversions, and protecting the institution of the Malay rulers. There is also some uneasiness among a section of the Islamist party of the strong push by DAP for equal rights for everything – ie the dismantling of the Bumiputera policy. PAS members of course loath the excesses of the policy as practiced by Umno, but there is support for some of the other parts of the policy – like reserving places in educational institutions for Bumis. And many in PAS are unhappy that the biggest party, member-wise, it is being looked upon as a junior member of the three-party PR…’
#11 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:14 pm
‘…What it means is that PAS members have signalled to PR to slow down on issues that are seen as weakening Malay and Muslim rights in Malaysia…’
Many here hate UMNO for its racism and corruption. But PAS is racisim + narrow-minded religious bigotry.
#12 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:16 pm
Ah, a quote from the NST….why don’t you wait for Wong Chun Wai’s editorial in the STAR ?
#13 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:20 pm
“If UMNO is a thief, what does this make PAS, a lesser thief? ” limkamputt
no. a richer thief.
#14 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:21 pm
The Straits Times, Singapore, is different from The New Straits Times (NST).
#15 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:26 pm
dap leaders have lost their opportunity to arrive at heaven’s gate and claim what is rightfully theirs. seventy two virgins.
#16 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:27 pm
While there is an intramural dispute over the unity talk, the motion calling for the ban of Sisters in Islam was tabled and accepted without debate. So much for our hopes for the so-called ‘progressive’ faction within PAS.
#17 by Loh on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:29 pm
Coalition government of different parties will need to compromise, quite unlike the coalition party where the componenets simply cannot breakaway. So there are bound to be differences of approach and direction between the parties. We hope that they would keep and promote the policies that they agree, and review on what they don’t. In a true coalition, no one party call tell the other like PPP to get lost.
The views against PAS should be openly stated so that PAS would get to know how not to push non-Malay to vote for UMNO. Let’s hope that PAS pay attention to the discussions here.
When apologists for racists in UMNO were willing to take the racists’ stand as positioning for internal party struggle, the same can be said about PAS members too. I hope those who play racial and religious ground would not have a smooth climb up thier political ladder in the party.
#18 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:41 pm
Any PAS leader or candidate posturing for internal support within his or her party by appealing to racial or religiously intolerant sentiments should be condemned.
Khairy said that some of his remarks interpreted as ‘racists’ by non-Malays should be seen in context -they had to be uttered in some ‘contexts’ (e.g. UMNO-putra election) to garner support. He seems to be saying something like this: Different messages (often contradictory) are catered for different audiences, and non-Malays should not be offended by a racist sounding message meant for a particular audience.
When Ahmad Ismail was accused of making racist remark when he designated the Chinese in Malaysia as ‘sojourners’, he defended himself by saying that it was only meant for a particular Malay audience.
Now, do we accept this excuse?
#19 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:43 pm
“PAS members have signalled to PR to slow down on issues that are seen as weakening Malay and Muslim rights in Malaysia. While all PAS members hate Umno, there are also points where they can agree with one another.”
to compromise and to accomodate would weaken PAS as a religous and exclusive and exclusivist in approach malay islamic party. it was good while it last. it frightened umno into offering carrots instead of sticks. there is no such thing as an inclusive approach to anything.
what would you do if you are a PAS leader about to kick the bucket? this is their last chance at holding public office at the national level.
pkr and dap were selling apples and oranges but pas is into durians. you cannot blame pas if it helps pkr and dap to sell their apples and oranges so it could then sell their durians.
any durian addict in the room??
#20 by Loh on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:44 pm
///SHAH ALAM: PAS spiritual leader Datuk Seri Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat has made it clear that he is dead set against the proposed unity government concept.
He said those who spoke about PAS cooperating with Umno were oblivious to the reality of the party’s struggle and the rivalry that had existed between the two parties.
“There is no need for such talk. It is nonsense, it is rubbish,” said the Kelantan Mentri Besar in a ceramah in conjunction with the party’s muktamar here Saturday night.
Umno, said Nik Aziz, was an evil party as all Kelantan PAS leaders were aware.
“The Umno-led Federal Government talks of 1Malaysia but they instructed their officers not to co-operate with those who work with PAS government in Kelantan. This is Umno.
“We must obliterate them. Rid this earth of their kind,” he said.
Nik Aziz’s stand contradicted with remarks of other PAS leaders, especially those outside of Kelantan.
Both Abdul Hadi and his deputy Nasharudin Mat Isa had spoken about a possibility of dialogues with all political parties including Umno with the basis of reaching for a consensus towards a national unity concept in the governance of the country.///The Star
Let’s hope that Abdul Hadi and Nasharudin Mat Isa would talk and join UMNO. That should help to ‘purify’ the party.
#21 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 6:49 pm
As long as PR supporters reject PAS’ ideology and agenda, and that PAS does not substantially increase the number of seats it contests in the next general election, PR may still need to work with PAS (however unwilling it is), and PR supporters may still need to vote for PAS to topple the BN government. Just make sure that we make PKR and DAP strong enough to resist PAS if it pushes for its agenda when PR comes to power. However, the worry is that, when PR comes to power, PKR and DAP may compromise on these issues in order to cling on to power. ‘Power corrupts…’
#22 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:02 pm
umno has always known that the PR-chain is as strong as its weakest link. today it demonstrates to the world, in racist malaysia the only way up is the racist way.
now dap can kiss its ass goodbye as far as winning the elections as a coalition is concerend. dap’s victory is built on the hope that malay votes remain split in half. that half is now split again into half.
it sure is one splitting headache for pkr and dap.
#23 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:09 pm
“today it demonstrates to the world, in racist malaysia the only way up is the racist way.” TomDumbo
Where did you draw this conclusion, Dumbo ? Have you read Nik Aziz’s remarks today ?
#24 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:11 pm
the “new begining” that obama spoke of is not about to begin in malaysia.
#25 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:15 pm
Opps … ‘PR may still need to work with PAS’ should have been ‘DAP and PKR may still need to work with PAS in PR’
#26 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:28 pm
pas is having you believed that having direct talks with one’s political adversary is not talking about terms of engagement but just having tea. one slight hitch tho. partners in the coalition have no role in the talks or the tea.
#27 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:30 pm
like i said dap can kiss its ass goodbye
#28 by Lee Wang Yen on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 7:34 pm
We really hope that Zaid Ibahim will soon join PKR. An Anwar-Zaid team for PM-DPM would be ideal.
#29 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 8:50 pm
It is no use Godfather, for Nik Aziz to say this and Nizar to say that. I am supporting UMNO for Manek Urai for now.
#30 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 8:58 pm
putt here knows squat
#31 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 9:01 pm
Lee Wang Yen Says:
We really hope that Zaid Ibahim will soon join PKR. An Anwar-Zaid team for PM-DPM would be ideal.
No, more than that, Nizar and Husam should join DAP and if necessary give them Sec Gen position, and let them lead multi-racial and multi-religious Malaysia. The racists, the ultra conservative and the bigots can all go Timbaktu.
#32 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 9:03 pm
Tom-dumb can go too.
#33 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 9:17 pm
Maybe a split within PAS is necessary, but to win the 20 – 30 seats in conservative Kelantan and Trengganu, you can’t have the moderates join DAP, or even PKR. Not for the 2013 GE. Let the struggle play out….and let those who covet positions and riches promised by UMNO join the den of thieves.
#34 by TomThumb on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 9:58 pm
“No, more than that, Nizar and Husam should join DAP and if necessary give them Sec Gen position, and let them lead ..” limkamputt
yes, lim kit siang and lim guan eng can end the lim dynasty and retire to be private citizens. let nizar and husam take over and re-name the party ‘parti sosialis demokratik malaysia’. nice.
#35 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 10:19 pm
///Now a QC wannabe is trying to be a psychologist wannabe/// – Godfather
One doesn’t have to be a ‘psychologist wannabe’to know you have a close mind – like a steel trap – but not the mouth to match. Your hatred for BN has made you a recalcitrant PAS apologist denying every trangression of PAS.
You asked TomThumb if he heard what Nik Aziz said. What Nik Aziz said at the muktamar rubbishing talk of a unity government was immediately downgraded in importance by No. 2 Deputy President Nasharudin who said that Nik Aziz Nik’s views did not represent the party’s, without heed of the irony that Nik Aziz/Tok Guru is PAS spiritual leader!
You don’t even bother to engage, much less, contradict contents of what was written by Reme Ahmad, The Straits Times (cited in Malaysia Today) cited by Lee Wang Yen and immediately tried to discredit/ridicule it by sarcastically asking Lee why he did not wait for Wong Chun Wai’s editorial in the STAR. Wang Yen has since clarified that it was The Straits Times, Singapore, different from Malaysian NST. It shows that you are interested not in merits or demerits in discussion but to only take or oppose positions in rigid way. Again one does not need to be a psychologist wannabe to see this.
PAS 55th Muktamar calling “for a ban by the National Fatwa Council on the Sisters in Islam (SIS)” The resolution was passed without being even debated by the members at the muktamar. PAS claimed that SIS was confusing Islamic society and also infiltrating the minds of Muslims with its “liberal thinking”.
What did Godfather do? He said “ Kit is shocked that PAS wants to ban Sisters in Islam. Fine. Did he threaten to pull DAP out of PR ? No, he is seeking further clarification.”
But that is Kit. He is leader of a component party. He may have to do what you said. We are not him. We do not share same mindset as members at PAS muktamar. We don’t think even DAP members agree to what PAS muktamar did.
We expressed the reservations that this dimmed hopes that PAS would change its mindset from exclusivist to inclusivist; it portended ill regarding viability of DAP – PAS collaboration within PR framework. Right or wrong, we don’t deserve to be berated/ridiculed by you (for example calling Wang Yen a Kid) for expressing these reservations in light of recent developments in PAS 55th Muktamar – unless you are a fanatic!
The last time we argued on PAS, you were arrogant and dogmatic. Now the only way you have changed is to reverse that order – to become dogmatic and arrogant – a motion with no movement, much less any improvement in terms of flexibility of thinking! Still the pathetic apologist for PAS willing to expose everything we hold dear to threat just to do off UMNO/BN coalition, whose image dominates your small mental screen only as you peer at the distance equivalent to that between your eyes and the end of your nose.
Calling you rigid in mindset would insult the mindset of even those who moved motion against Sisters in Islam (SIS).
#36 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 10:21 pm
That is what a dumb head thinks what i said.
#37 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 10:55 pm
Me too….that’s what the pathological show-off thinks what I said.
#38 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 10:58 pm
Previously I was arrogant and dogmatic, but now I am dogmatic and arrogant…hmmmm….only those who claim to write eloquently can detect the difference between these two positions. Unfortunately English isn’t the first language for many of us.
#39 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:05 pm
Only a narcissistic person would write long postings in flowery language to defend his position….
Only a self-delusional would leap to the defence of someone I called ‘Kid’..which is (fortunately or unfortunately) the truth for I have voted 5 times, and the Kid probably hasn’t voted before.
#40 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:13 pm
Only the truly narcissistic will wonder at the difference between previous arrogance and dogmatism and present dogmatism and arrogance, as far as he was concermned, when precisely none was intended in the first place. :)
#41 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:20 pm
My previous posting, “That is what a dumb head thinks what i said” was meant for that tom-dumb head, not Jeffrey.
#42 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:23 pm
…but mine was meant for the pathological show-off, the one who wrote “it is undeniable that I write eloquently” before.
#43 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:28 pm
“Unfortunately English isn’t the first language for many of us.”
A case of the bad workman always blames his tools. You should be very happy with Nizar and other PAS members who had filed a suit against the Education Ministry and its minister to stop the implementation of teaching of science and maths in English.
Your children and great grand children have further cause to blame the lack of tools.
#44 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:30 pm
The same show-off who wondered aloud in a previous thread why Badawi was only appointed as advisor to MAS, and not given the chairmanship of Petronas…..those who don’t understand politics should be more humble.
#45 by Godfather on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:36 pm
“A case of the bad workman always blames his tools.”
You should just blame your hands, because on the one hand…..
#46 by Jeffrey on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:45 pm
‘the one who wrote “it is undeniable that I write eloquently” before’.
This is an obvious distortion. (As usual) It was not intended the way Godfather twisted it. I explained how it was twisted but the Moderator stopped the exchange at that juncture. It can be proven in the archives. Godfather cannot argue or have an exchange straight without distortion. (I have cited an illustration in my earlier posting Today at 16: 26.01) and all Godfather could do in response to was again to sidetrack & distract by saying “Teacher, teacher, I’ve been misquoted….someone has distorted what I have said”….”boo hoo hoo” he mimicked a baboon so that attention is rivetted at his allegation of crybaby away from his obvious distortion of what I earlier said.
A master of duplicitious distortion, that comes as natural to him as leaves to trees, he should join PAS’s non-Muslim supporters club without further ado to help horne their skills in practice of “Taqiyya”.
#47 by limkamput on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:50 pm
I want to give UMNO BN a tip. The National Fatwa Council should ban the Sisters in Islam (SIS) on advice and resolution of PAS 55th Muktamar and Manek Urai would be UMNO’s.
#48 by a2a on Sunday, 7 June 2009 - 11:57 pm
It turned out that PAS members are extreme muslim.
YOU CAN EXPECT THEM BE USING GOD NAME TO SUPPORT THEIR ACTS – LIES OR TRUTH.
Not suitable for our secular states MALAYSIA.
#49 by Jeffrey on Monday, 8 June 2009 - 12:05 am
Just now Godfather said, “You should just blame your hands, because on the one hand…” Earlier he was commenting about “torn between his two hands, and he ends up holding only one thing in both hands – and that isn’t pretty-looking.”
He is obsessed with hands – and whats in between.
When distortion is exposed, profanity is also good and Ok alternative for the So Called Defender of the Pious Party of PAS! :)
#50 by Godfather on Monday, 8 June 2009 - 12:15 am
Yeah, you were always torn between YOUR two hands….over the years….always commenting about on the one hand, and on the other hand….legal mumbo jumbo written in “undeniably eloquent English”.